Dec 19, 2022 City Council

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EVERYTHING. REGULATIONS TO THE FIRE. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. HMM PUBLIC RELIGIOUS STANDS ONE NATION. AS WELL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL ALMIGHTY GOD, WE ASK YOU TO GUIDE US THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING, AS WE SEEM TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY OF VERY SMALL AND ITS CITIZENS. PAUL ALLEN SEYMOUR. DEBORAH GROTE PRESENT DONALD BURGER CREAMS, JR. ROUSH BURBEY PRESENT AARON JAY CARPENTER PRESENT. SO THAT'S THE WORKERS. OKAY GET FULL HOUSE HERE TONIGHT

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[ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT]

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CONTRACTOR WILL BE WRAPPING UP THEIR WORK THIS WEEK WILL BE DEMOBILIZING FOR WINTER, AND ADDITIONAL SEATING WORK WILL BE ANTICIPATED IN THE SPRING. WE ALSO HAVE THE WEAVER ROAD PUMP STATION. THE CONTRACTOR CONTINUES TO EXCAVATE THAT PUMP STATION LOCATION, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE LEVER ROAD UTILITY EXTENSION IN THE CONTRACTOR WILL CONTINUE TO INSTALL SANITARY SEWER ALONG WARNER ROAD THIS WEEK. THOSE ARE THE ENGINEERING UPDATES. THINK QUESTION. ALRIGHT USUALLY DURING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER. THE ALWAYS DO A STREET EVALUATION, UM, IN ANTICIPATION OF A, UM, PAVING PROGRAM. I WAS WONDERING IF THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED YET THIS YEAR . THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, HANK AND BASICALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED , AND I'LL READ JUST KIND OF AN OUTLINE. WE MADE A PRESENTATION . I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO SEE THE EXACT MONTH BUT IT WAS PROBABLY JANUARY EARLIER THIS YEAR, WHERE WE UPDATED THE SAFETY SERVICE COMMITTEE ON A LITTLE SOME CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE PLACE A LITTLE BIT IN OUR STREET RATING SYSTEM AND ASSOCIATED WITH THE PAVING. HERE'S WHAT IT IS. WE HAD A CONSULTANT CALLED SCREW STREETS CAN PERFORM PAVEMENT RATING PAVEMENT CONDITION, RATINGS AND DATA EARLIER THIS YEAR JUST THIS FALL. THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT. UH WE'RE SCHEDULED TO RECEIVE THE DATA THIS WEEK AND PLANNED TO BEGIN BUILDING FUTURE PROJECT PLANS DURING THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2023. AS WE MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION AND SAFETY SERVICE COMMITTEE EARLIER THIS YEAR, FUTURE ANNUAL PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE PROJECTS WILL INCLUDE MORE THAN JUST RESURFACING. OUR GOAL IS TO PERFORM A LOT MORE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF OUR ROADS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WITH NOTHING IN THE BUDGET FOR A SPECIFIC PAVING PROGRAM RIGHT NOW, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY FOR 2023 WHEN I SAY NOTHING, WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING MONEY ON 33 750,000 ON 33, AS WELL AS THE MONIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUDGETED FOR ELWOOD AS WELL AS THERE'S A WATER PROJECT, SO THERE WILL BE SOME PAVING OCCURRING. BUT OUR INTENTION IS TO ANALYZE THE DATA HERE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO AND BUILD A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR 2024 NOD DISCUSSIONS WITH FINANCE THAT IF OUR FINANCES AND OUR REVENUES LOOK BETTER THAN WHAT OR EVEN BETTER THAN ANTICIPATED, WE MAY BE ABLE TO PLUG SOME MORE MONEY INTO PAYMENT. MAINTENANCE IN 2023 WILL BE IN A POSITION TO DO SO, UH SO. WHAT IS CHANGING IS, UM, WE'VE TYPICALLY ALWAYS

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[PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT]

THE DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING THERE WAS ONE CASE THEY APPROVED THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR COMMUNITY CENTER FOR HOPE CENTER IN THE GOVERNMENT DISTRICT. LOCATED AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. I WAS APPROVED WITH THE FIVE THE ONE VOTE, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY CASE WE HAVE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION. FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. UH, DECEMBER MEETING. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. OLD BUSINESS WAS EXTERIOR PLAN FOR A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS TIMBER, BROOKE, AS IN OTHER AREAS OWN SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OFF OF MILFORD AVENUE. IT WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS WITH THE SIX UH YES. ZERO NOW THE NEW BUSINESS THERE WAS AN EXTERIOR PLAN LANDSCAPE PLAN. APPLICATION FOR PROPOSED NEW RESTAURANT SCOOTERS. COFFEE UH, LOCATED AT STATE ROUTE 31 NORTHWOODS DRIVE , AND THAT WAS IN SUBURBAN COMMERCIALS AND IN DISTRICT IT WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS WITH THE SIX YES, ZERO NOW AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM WAS AN EXTERIOR PLAYING AT LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT, INDEPENDENT LIVING COMMUNITY. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE WOODSIDE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. UM THIS APPLICATION WAS TABLED WITH THE SIX YES. ZERO NO VOTE WAS REALLY ITEMS FOR THE DECEMBER DRB MEETING. YEP GO AHEAD. THANK YOU , MR PRESIDENT. UM FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL. DID THE HOPE CENTER GIVE ANY DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO ON THE FAIRGROUNDS . AND IF SO, WHAT WAS THAT DETAIL? THEY WILL HAVE HOUSE TWO BUILDINGS. UM, ONE IS GOING TO BE LIKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE RESOURCE CENTER, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS GOING TO BE THEIR CLOTHING DRIVE CENTER. UM, WAS PANTRY. NO ONE'S CLOTHING AND ITEMS ENTRY, SIR. IT'S YES, IT'S LIKE A FURNITURE BANK, UH, FURNITURE, BANK AND CLOTHING CORRECT STATEMENT IS AT THE END OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING GOING TO DO WITH THAT BUILDING. AS FAR AS WE KNOW WHAT THEY WERE PRESENTED. THAT WAS WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. REPHRASE THAT IS THE ONLY IS THAT THE ONLY THING FOR WHICH THAT BUILDING IS CURRENTLY APPROVED? OKAY I THINK THEY WILL PROBABLY NEED TO APPROACH US IF THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS WHETHER THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED

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BEXLEY HAS THIS IN THEIR CODE YELLOW SPRINGS. UH SYDNEY AS WELL AS ADDED THIS RECENTLY. AND I BELIEVE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAS THIS AND THERE'S STILL AGAIN. THIS IS KIND OF A HISTORICAL PRECEDENTS IN THE UPTOWN AND KIND OF A VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THAT INFILL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. SO AS FAR AS THE ZONING AMENDMENTS. WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 6TH. THE APPLICATION WAS TABLED TO ADDRESS SOME SOME OF THEIR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND WE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION ITEMS COME OUT OF THAT MEETING.

THE SECOND HEARING WAS HELD ON NOVEMBER 1ST. AS FAR AS THE GLOSSARY DEFINITIONS. THOSE WERE

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PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AS FAR AS PARKING IS CONCERNED, WE WOULD REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF ONE ADDITIONAL OFF STREET PARKING SPACE JUST TO AVOID ANY CONFLICT WITH SOMEONE PARKING IN THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND ALLOWING THAT PERSON IN THE EU TO HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING SPOT AS WELL.

AS FAR AS OUR REVIEW PROCESS, EACH APPLICATION WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO BEFORE THE DESIGN

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ONLY 1 80 YOU ALLOWED PER SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME. SO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A DUPLEX, YOU COULDN'T HAVE THIS IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSE WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE HOME ON THE PARCEL THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED TO HAVE THIS UH, EIGHTIES BUSBY IN CHARACTER CHARACTER WITH THE EXISTING HOME ON THE PARCEL THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND WE WOULD LEAVE IT OPEN TO ALL KIND OF PARCEL LAYOUTS IN DISTRICTS AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ALLOW FOR ANOTHER HOUSING OPTION . UM DURING OUR HOUSING CRISIS AND ALLOW FOR SOME MULTIGENERATIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS? MRS COAT. I THOUGHT, ALAN FIRST I'M GOING GENTLEMAN. ERIN SORRY . OH OKAY. THANKS, MR PRESIDENT. UM I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT FOR A MOMENT FOR THE, UM ACTUALLY, CAN YOU COME BACK TO ME? I FORGOT MY CREDIT'S FINE.

HE THREW ME OFF. TWO QUESTIONS, MISS GILBERT. COMMON DEFINITIONS ARE GOOD, BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORD AND 10 YEARS, SOMEBODY COME BACK. I WANT IT TO BE IN TONIGHT'S MINUTES. COULD

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MEANING YOU CAN'T WE WOULDN'T. WE WOULDN'T VERY BE ABLE TO PUT ON A D U BY ITSELF ON A PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A PRINCIPLE USE. THAT'S A SUBORDINATE OR AN INCIDENTAL USE SO IT WOULDN'T COMPLY WITH THE SONY AS A TERM THAT WE USE LIKE ZACH SAID. FOR A LOT OF OUR LIKE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UM THAT'S JUST KIND OF COMMON IN THE TERMINOLOGY OF OUR PERMITS. UM WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE CODE TO SEE IF WE SPECIFICALLY HAVE A DEFINITION THAT WE CAN GIVE YOU AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS ADD INTO OUR GLOSSARY AS WELL WITH THIS AMENDMENT TO JUST WANT OUR TERMS TO BE EXACT AND 10 YEARS WHEN SOMEBODY LOOKS AT THESE MINUTES , THOSE TWO WORDS SEEM TO ME THROW AWAY AND YOUR EXPLANATION IS PROVEN THAT UM I AS IF I WERE SINGLE WOMAN COULD LIVE IN MY HOME. AND HAVE MY SIX GRANDCHILDREN IN MY ACCESSORY CONVERTED GARAGE THAT HAS NOW BEEN APPROVED BECAUSE WITH THE RUNNING WATER, I CAN PUT A TOIL IN IT AND FLUSH THE TOILET AND HEALTH WOULD WOULD SAY IT'S OKAY THERE. THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS FOR THIS HOUSING. TO GO BEYOND WHAT I KNOW YOU'RE INTENT IS AND EXPLAIN IT. SO THAT YOU KNOW, UNLIKE SOME INFORMATION THAT HAPPENED IN 2003, WE COULD FIND IT IF NEEDED. THEN, THEN I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE MANDATORY FOR THIS KIND OF APPROVAL. WHEN I SAY THAT SPECIFIC SCENARIO WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR SIX GRANDCHILDREN IN THE 80, YOU WOULDN'T BE THERE WOULD BE OVERCROWDING ISSUES THERE WOULDN'T BE. THEY WOULDN'T THAT WOULDN'T MEET THE MINIMUM SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR LIVING SPACE.

WHICH IS REGULATED THROUGH THE OHIO BUILDING CODES. SO THE A D U IS DESIGNED FOR WANTED TO PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ITS COMPACT SIZE. UH UM. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED ANYWAY, TO HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THAT SMALL LIVING AREA. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE TACKLE? WE GOT. WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN ORDER. THANK YOU. YES. SO I THINK IT WAS THE SECOND TO LAST SLIDE. I BELIEVE WHERE YOU ALSO SOMETHING TO ADD TO COMMENT , SO THIS HAS TO BE SEPARATE FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED . SO CURRENTLY A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, JUST 1200 SQUARE FEET

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IT WOULD BE TOO SMALL TO FALL UNDER THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, YOU KNOW. AND THEN THE EU HAS TO MEET OUR DEFINITION OF WHAT A DWELLING UNIT IS, UM SO IT HAS ONE ROOM OR SUITE OF TWO OR MORE ROOMS DESIGNATED USED BY ONE FAMILY OR HOUSEKEEPING UNIT FOR LIVING AND SLEEPING PURPOSES . THE DWELLING IN ITSELF BE COMPRISED OF THE FOLLOWING COMPONENTS, KITCHEN AND KITCHENETTE AND BATH LAST TOILET FACILITY. SO IT HAS TO MEET THAT CODE, TOO. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE PLUMBING IN OUR ELECTRIC. YOU CAN JUST THROW BED IN THERE. YES, STOP TO HAVE A KITCHEN IN THERE. UM, ORCHIDS IN THAT. AS WELL. SO IT DOES HAVE TO MEET THAT DEFINITION AS WELL AS THE DWELLING UNIT. TRYING SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT COMES DOWN TO WHETHER THAT IS SUBORDINATE IN NATURE TO THE PRIMARY RESIDENTS AS WELL. THANK YOU WAS JUST GOING TO ASK TO SEE THE SLIDE AGAIN. SO THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING IT IS THE ANYONE WHO HAS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME CAN BUILD SOMETHING CALLED AN A D U. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE CALLED IDEAS. MY GRANDMA HAS ONE I NEVER KNEW WAS CALLED NATIVE BUT, UM AS LONG AS SO IT'S A PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE.

BUT WHICH IS KIND OF CONFUSING BECAUSE IT STILL NEEDS DRB APPROVAL, SO IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING WHY IT'S PERMITTED. USE OF IT'S DONE NEEDS. THE DERBY APPROVALS HELP TO GET INTO FIT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING HOME MAKES SENSE. OKAY BUT BUT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS ANYONE WHO IN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED CAN BUILD ONE OF THESE AS LONG AS THEY GET A ZONING PERMIT, WHICH IS APPROVED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD THE SITE WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE ON THE SITE TO DO SO, LIKE THERE SO THEY HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. IF THERE'S A DRIVEWAY ACCESS, THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE SETBACK FOR THE DRIVEWAY FROM CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL AS, UM, THE DETACHED UNIT BEING SET BACK TO THE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL FOR THAT TYPE OF, PERHAPS NOT ALL PARCELS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ONE LOT THAT IT WON'T BE. THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD THINK THAT MOST OF OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. I KNOW I CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING DETACHED IN MY HR THAT AS WELL. SO YOU COULD MAYBE HAVE IT ATTACHED TO YOUR HOUSE. BUT THERE MIGHT BE A REQUIREMENT THAT DON'T EVEN PERMIT THESE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF I GUESS I'LL GO NEXT. I MEAN, IF ALAN DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY YOU CAN'T BUILD THIS. A D, A UNIT LIMITED PLAYER HOUSES BEING BUILT. YEAH, THAT ONE THAT WOULDN'T WORK EITHER. THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT, THOUGH. YEAH. NOW YOU COULD LIVE IN IT WHILE YOU RENOVATED YOUR GREENHOUSE. BUT THE MAIN HOUSE HAS TO BE THERE BEFORE THE 80 YOU. YEAH. I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AS YOU GUYS KNOW. UM AS ALSO, YOU KNOW. THAT I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, UM CLEANER. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO EVEN START BECAUSE THE PICTURES WILL NEVER REFLECT WHAT WE WOULD EVER BUILD. I GUESS WHAT? WHY IS THAT ? WELL FIRST OF ALL, EVERY STRUCTURE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN A PICTURE OF IS PRETTY MUCH HARDY PLANK AND WE DON'T EVEN ALLOW HARDY PLANK. WE DON'T OUTLINE THE ARCHITECTURE OF ANY HOUSE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. SO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IT COMPLEMENTS THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE HISTORICAL STOCK OF THE HOUSES. WHEN YOU DON'T ACTUALLY DOCUMENT THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE CHARACTER OF ANY OF THE HOUSES, WHICH IS WHY , WHEN ONE HOUSE GETS CITING OVER ALL THE HOUSES GET CITING OVER BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAYS IT'S COMMON. ELEMENTARY TO THE DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHY SHOULD I KEEP PAINTING MY HOUSE ? IF EVERYONE ELSE'S HOUSES ARE ALLOWED TO GET VINYL SIDING OVER ? I'M JUST I'M JUST SPENDING MONEY WHEN ALL THE OTHER HISTORICAL HOMES ARE FALLING TO THE WAYSIDE OR IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WILL ONLY DIRECTLY IMPACT. THE AREA OF MY WARD, AND I WANT US ALL TO BE VERY CLEAR WITH THAT IN 2008, THE ZONING, SAYS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CITY, THE CITY IS ZONED FOR LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. ALTHOUGH

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IF SOMEONE WANTS TO ADD THIS TO AN EXISTING LOT, AND THAT SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD AMERICA.

WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT IT WOULD GO TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND THE DESIGN MUST BE IN CHARACTER WITH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARCHITECTURE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ROOF. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COLOR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, NOT. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE DESCRIBED OR CATALOG. WE'RE JUST COMPARING IT TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, ARCHITECTURE OF THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE. WHAT ARE THE MATERIALS? WHAT COLOR? WHAT'S THE ROOF? THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY SIMPLE COMPARISON. AND I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT IT'S TIED TO THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE. I LIKE THAT. UM YES, STEPS IN THEIR MODERN HOUSE NEXT TO A COTTAGE STYLE. YOU WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE TO GO BUILD A MODERN STYLE 80 YOU BECAUSE IT'S NEXT TO THAT. YOU SAY. WELL NO, WE WANTED TO MATCH YOUR COTTAGE STYLE HOME SO WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU HAVE A COTTAGE STYLE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE EXAMPLE YOU HAD ON THIS STREET? YEAH, LIKE THAT. HMM. DEFEND THEIR IN THE BACK. WITH THE HOUSE. DID NOT ASK THE JAMES, CITING ITS NOT

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UM WHEN YOU WALK UP TO IT, UM SO YOU KNOW, WITH THAT HOUSE, IT MATCHES THE CHARACTER. ALL I'M SAYING IS NOT EVERY PROPERTY. NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT SAME INTENTION, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REQUIREMENT TO GO TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT THEIR DESIGN IS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT REFLECTS THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME AND COMPLEMENTS IT. AND IT'S JUST NOT A SQUARE CUBE OR SOMETHING. BUT HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU STATE THAT WHEN YOU DON'T STATE THE AGE OR CHARACTER OF A PROPERTY, YOU CAN LOOK AT A HOME AND SAY THIS STYLE MATCHES. YEAH, BUT BY CODE HOW YOU ENFORCE ENFORCE IT? I DON'T THINK YOU COULD WRITE A CODE THAT IDENTIFIES EVERY SPECIFIC HOUSE AND PARCEL IN THE CITY SORT OF THINGS. YEAH. BUT IT'S AS IN THE CODE THAT IT HAS TO REFLECT THE SAME STYLE OF THE HOME AND YOU CAN LOOK AT A HOUSE AND SAY, OH, THIS IS A COTTAGE STYLE OR, UM, THIS IS A VICTORIAN STYLE AND SO LET ME PULL UP THAT SPECIFIC YOU HAVE.

SO WILL YOU HAVE STRUCTURES THEN IN THE DESIGN CODE THAT STATES IF YOUR HOME IS QUEEN, AND IF YOUR HOME IS BUNGALOW IF YOUR HOME IS A IS A CRAFTSMAN IF YOUR HOME IS AN AMERICAN FOURSQUARE IF YOUR HOME IS THE VICTORIAN, THIS IS THE TYPE OF, UM STRUCTURE THAT YOU YOU WILL BUILD TO COMPLEMENT WHAT YOUR HOME IS. THIS IS THIS IS THE THIS IS THE MATERIALS. THIS IS THIS THE WINDOWS YOU YOU WOULD PERMIT JUST HAVE JUST HAVE IN HERE THAT IT HAS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH. THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA, WHICH IS BUILDING MATERIALS, COLOR, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE ROOF STYLE SIDING. UM SO THAT OUTLINES GENERAL MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS THAT NEED TO REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENTS BECAUSE YOU ALSO GET OUTSIDE OF THE UPTOWN OR THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY THOSE SPECIFIC TYPES OF HOMES CONSTRUCTED IN NEIGHBORHOODS. SO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T LIMIT OURSELVES TO THAT AS WELL JUST TO THOSE HANDFUL OF HOME STYLES. UM I. I'M JUST I THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE CARRIAGE BEFORE THE HORSE. UM WHICH IS YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER A LONG TIME AGO. THIS BEING DISCUSSED AND IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO COUNCIL YET AND THEN, ALSO, I AM. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW ONE PARKING SPOT. FOR STRUCTURE. WHICH AGAIN IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT? BECAUSE YOU. YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE BEHIND ME HAS GRAVELED PRETTY MUCH THEIR WHOLE ENTIRE BACKYARD. AND THAT IS PERMITTED IN CODE. IT GOES BACK TO YOU KNOW, LIKE, LOOK, LOOK AT YOUR HOUSE. LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY IN GREEN PASTURES, JR. WHERE YOU GUYS LIVE, HANK ALLEN. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT HAVE PROTECTED THE PROPERTY VALUE OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT WE SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND THINK ABOUT THE UPTOWN IN GENERAL AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT THE OVERALL AESTHETICS AND VALUE IN THE ECONOMIC BITE TOTALITY OF THE UPTOWN ITSELF. WE JUST RAISED STORMWATER FEES. IN THE UPTOWN ON EAST FIFTH STREET. I HAVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY STORM DRAINS NOT THAT MANY ON EAST FOURTH STREET, ALL THE WATER. THEY JUST PUT ONE IN ON OLIVE STREET, BECAUSE THE WATER ALWAYS SAD BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER ONE AND THEN AND THEN THERE ISN'T ONE UNTIL YOU GET DOWN TO LEON'S GARAGE. THIS IS GOING TO ASK, THOUGH, IS FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD OR TAKE THE COMMITTEE OR TAKE THE WORK SESSION. THAT YOU WANT US TO CHANGE TO MEET WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE AND WALK. WHAT? PLUG IT RIGHT INTO THE CODE. UM IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S WE CAN DO THAT, BUT

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THAT BUILDING IN THE BACK HAS BEEN THERE LIKE A LONG, LONG TIME. I THINK LIKE HOW THEY DID THAT THAT KIND OF WORKS, BUT LIKE WHEN I'M READING WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD THAT NEW, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PERMITTED LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S STUCCO. UM IT'S A DIFFERENT MATERIAL THAN THE MAIN HOUSE. SO HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH THE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE, LIKE TWO HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND OLD HOME AND ALL OUTBUILDING OF TWO DISSIMILAR MATERIALS? WOULD YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE OR HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT IF THEY WANTED TO CONVERT? LIKE A BRICK OUTBUILDING. THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 100 YEARS. THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THEIR JUST CHANGING THE INTERIOR RELATED TO THAT, AND IT'S A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND IT'S BEEN ON THE PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK WE THEY WOULD PROBABLY COME THROUGH TO MAINTAIN THAT STRUCTURE, MAYBE REHAB IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS STABLE FOR LIVING CONDITIONS. UT WAS ALREADY ON THE PARCEL, AND IT HAS HISTORIC CHARACTER THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT, OKAY? IT'S JUST IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME. AND I'M. I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO ATTACK YOU GUYS. BUT I'M SAYING THIS AS THE FAULT OF THE CITY. BECAUSE YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN OUR STREETS AND MOST OF OUR HISTORICAL HOMES ARE FALLING DOWN. SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO PROTECT THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURES OF YOU KNOW OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF MARYSVILLE. WHAT SENSE 80 ATTACK 80 YOU, ASIDE FROM BEDROOM EDITION WITH THAT. HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL EXTERIOR ACCESS TO THEM TO THAT UNIT AND ALL THE INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES, WHICH INCLUDE A BATHROOM AND KITCHENETTE. YES. WHAT IS THE ESTIMATE? OR IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBER OF HOW MANY 80 YEARS ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR CITY? UM JUST JUST LIKE, LITERALLY ROUGH GUESS A DRIVE BY OBSERVATIONS SIMILAR TO THESE ONES. HALF A DOZEN A DOZEN IN THE UPTOWN AREA. SURE CALL IT 30 JUST TO BE SAFE. SO ARE WE SAYING THAT I LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, AND I TAKE IT AS WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD AN A D YOU THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE. WE'RE NOT, UM, DICTATING LIKE A COOKIE CUTTER FLOOR PLAN OR AN INTERIOR LAB. WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. EXTERIOR RELATED. IT SOUNDS LIKE SO WHAT DO WE DO? WITH THE 30 SOME EXISTING 80 US WHICH YOU KNOW IF WE PASS THIS LEGISLATION WOULD THEY BE NOT ABIDING BY WHAT WE'RE PASSING? AND IF SO, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT ? AND MAYBE THERE? THERE'S WHAT GRANDFATHER. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. ALL RIGHT, OKAY. SO WE WOULDN'T LIKE KNOCK ON DOORS AND SAY, HEY, WE SAID THEY WANTED TO MAKE A MAJOR CHANGE TO ONE OF THEIR EXISTING UNITS THAT HAS EXISTED FOR A WHILE, THEN WE COULD ASK THEM TO COMPLY WITH OUR WITH OUR NEW STANDARDS. OKAY THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT WE WOULDN'T TRY TO FIX THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY DONE. OKAY THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

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ADMINISTRATION COMMENTS. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO BACK TO DONALD'S BACKDOOR NEIGHBOR THAT HAS GRAVEL EVERYWHERE IF THEY WERE TO APPLY TO BUILD ONE OF THESE, WOULDN'T THEY THEN BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN ASPHALT OR CONCRETE DRIVEWAY? JUST THEY'RE

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THERE'S A THERE'S A VIOLATION. YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT PERMIT UNTIL YOU BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. SO JUST ANOTHER SAFEGUARD THAT WE WOULD HAVE IF WE'RE TAUGHT. OKAY UM, I CAN ASSUME THAT ONCE, UM SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS BUILT. IT WILL ALWAYS BE AN EXTENSION TO THE HOUSE. EVEN THOUGH WE SEE A DISTANCE, SAY, EAST FOURTH STREET OR WEST FIFTH STREET. THE TWO CANNOT BE SEPARATED EVEN IF YOU HAD A ALLEYWAY IN THE BACK THAT YOU WOULD ENTER THE HYPOTHETICALLY. OKAY THAT YOU WOULD ENTER THROUGH THE BACK. IT COULD NOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY AS A SEPARATE PIECE OF, UM, BECAUSN EXTREMELY REASONABLE PRICE. IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD SELL OUT, BUT IT WILL ALWAYS BE ONE UNIT AND THAT THAT UNIT IS BASED ON THE OTHERS. THAT'S UNDERPANTS STREET. YEAH, AND THEN HE'LL ESTATE AGAIN WILL BE DETERMINED BY WHAT THE AUDITOR COMES UP WITH AS FAR AS THE REAL ESTATE VALUE OF IT. YEAH SO THE SIZE OF IT, SO THERE'S THAT SIZE REQUIREMENT OR THE SIZE THE MAXIMUM SIZE FOR THE 80 YOU WHICH DOES NOT MEET THEM.

MINIMUM SIZE FOR A PRIMARY RESIDENTS. WHAT'S IT'S BACK TO WHAT DEB HAD ASKED EARLIER. SO WHEN WE SAY THAT THE EU IS SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE SQUARE FOOTAGE, CALCULATIONS, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 950 SQUARE FEET FOR THE DETACHED ACCESSORY DEVELOPING UNIT, WHEREAS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE AS A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE AND MORE THAN THAT MHM ABLE TO SAY THAT THAT THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE MEETS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE. BUT THEN AGAIN, LOOKING AT THOSE PARTICULAR PICTURES THAT YOU HAVE, UM, YOU DO NOT CONSIDER THE LOWER PORTION. YEAH YOU DO NOT CONSIDER THAT TO BE PART OF THE 950 FT. IT'S YEAH, CONSIDERED THE LIVING SPACE 950 SQUARE FEET OF AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE UPSTAIRS IN THIS PARTICULAR IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE GARAGE BASED ON THE FIRST FLOOR, YOU WOULD COUNT EVERYTHING ABOVE IT OR OR IF IT'S DESIGNED TO ADJACENT TO IT. MM HMM. THE LIVING SPACE WILL BE CALCULATED. OKAY AND THEN ONE OTHER ONE. IF SOMEBODY HYPOTHETICALLY BUYS A EMPTY LOT WHERE HOUSE HAD BEEN DEMOLISHED, SO STARTING STARTING FROM 50 FT WIDE, OKAY, AND WE CAN CLEARLY SEE IT UP HERE ON THE LEFT BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KEEP PROBABLY FOUR FT. AWAY FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE YOU START YOUR DRIVEWAY, WHICH HAS TO BE 10 12 FT WIDE. SO YOU ALREADY LOOKING AT 14 15 FT. SO IF YOU DO WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO IT WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO BUILD THE HOUSE AT THE 90 DEGREE ANGLE. TO MAKE IT A REASONABLE SIZED HOUSE BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO YOU REALLY AS THINKING A HOUSE PRIMARY HOUSE DOWN CONSIDERABLY IN ORDER TO FACILITATE HOUSE LIKE A SMALLER UNIT IN THE BACK IF YOU WILL. YEAH. I MEAN, IT DEPENDS. YOU COULD STILL DO LIKE A 30 FT.

WHITE HOUSE THERE ON A 50 FT LOT TO GET THE DRIVEWAY INTO ADJACENT TO IT AND HAVE THE FOUR FT ON EITHER SIDE. UM AND JUST HAVE YOU NO LONGER HOUSE OR SOMETHING, BUT, YEAH, EACH INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT HOW THAT HOUSE LAYOUT. WORKS ON THEIR PARCEL WITH THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND THEN ONE LAST ONE BE USED A LOT OF TERMS, UM, MOTHER IN LAW'S HOUSE , EVERYTHING ELSE BUT I DIDN'T SEE IN THE AREA RENTAL UNIT. UM WE HAVE NEVER. WE HAVE NOT YET ADDRESSED THAT PORTION SO SOMEBODY COULD BUILD THIS WITH THE INTENT TO MAKE THE ACCELERATED BUILDING A RENTAL UNIT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY AVAILABLE. BUT THEN, OF COURSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE THE WATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES WITH IT. BUT IT COULD ALSO DO YOU WANT TO DRESS THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH THE UTILITY GREAT WORKING GROUP, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS ON HOW TO HANDLE THAT

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THANKS. THEY'RE ALSO I BELIEVE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ALSO REGULATE THE REGULATES THOSE DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER STRUCTURES TO SANITARY AND WATER CONNECTIONS. DEAL THE ONLY THING THAT SO EDUCATE ME BECAUSE HANK SAID THEY CAN'T DIVIDE THIS PARTIAL OFF. SO IF SOMEBODY WOULD BUILD SOMETHING, LET'S SAY AND THEY'RE ON A LOT OTHER ON IN ONE ACRE LOT AND IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND THE AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, SAID, I WANT TO SELL OFF A PORTION OF THAT ONE ACRE AND SELL IT OFF. TO GET MORE MONEY OUT OF MY ONE ACRE LOT IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE.

THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT. CORRECT IF THEY ARE YOU IS THIS HYPOTHETICAL THEY HAVE ON ONE ACRE LOT WITH THE HOUSE. THEY BUILT AN A D U AND THEY WANT TO SPLIT OFF EVENTUALLY. LET'S SAY WHEN THEY WANT TO SELL WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CREATE A NONCONFORMING LOT WHEN WE DO A LOT SPLIT. AND IF THAT HOUSE IS LESS THAN THE MINIMUM SQUARE FEET REQUIRED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THAT SUBJECT, IS THERE ANY DISTRICT 100 SQUARE FEET 80 YEARS 9 50. THAT'S CREATING AN UNCLE FORMING LOT BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS SMALL IN WHAT WE WOULD ALLOW. OKAY, IT'S SET UP TO PREVENT THAT SITUATION . IT SOUNDS LIKE SO THE SO THE SO THEN YOU COULD. IF YOU HAD A ONE ACRE LOT. YOU COULD SPLIT UP THE LOT. AND BUILD 1200 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY. NO OR WHATEVER. YEAH, WHATEVER THAT MINIMUM SQUARE FOOT SIZES FOR A HOME, YOU CAN BUILD THAT ON YOUR LOT SPLIT, AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PRIMARY RESIDENTS. YEAH NECESSARILY BE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING IN IT. OKAY AND THEN WE TWO SEPARATE LOTS AT THAT TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO THE LIGHT SPLIT AHEAD OF TIME. AND THEN, UM, ALSO BACK TO THE GRAVEL

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THAT'S NOT TASTEFULLY TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. I JUST, YOU KNOW, UM.

AGAIN TO YOUR POINT. UM, YOU KNOW IF WE WANTED TO BRING A SOMEBODY IN HERE FROM FROM ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ACTUALLY SAID WORTHY, INTEND BACK SLEIGH AND TALK ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW HOW WE CAN ENSURE THAT DESIGN UM IS , YOU KNOW MAINTAINED AND HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW? THINGS AREN'T BUILT THAT AREN'T APPROPRIATE. THEN WE CAN. YOU KNOW THAT'S THE WAY WE SHOULD DO IT. THE HARDEST THING IS, AND IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT AARON WAS ASKING A LITTLE BIT AGO. A LOT OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE UPDATED THE CODE AND A LOT OF AREAS, BUT A LOT OF THESE AIR HOMES AND PROPERTIES ARE GRANDFATHER AND UNTIL THEY COME BACK TO DO. WORK. ON THEIR HOME THAT NEEDS A PERMIT. THEN WE CAN MAKE THEM CHANGE. BUT IT'S IT TAKES TIME AND AS AS THINGS DEVELOP AND AS WE TRY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE ENHANCEMENTS AROUND OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK THERE'S A DOMINO EFFECT OF PEOPLE THEN WANTING TO UPGRADE HOMES, SO IT'S JUST IT'S A PROCESS. I KNOW DONALD. IT GETS FRUSTRATING AND DOESN'T HAPPEN FAST ENOUGH FOR ME, EITHER. IT'S TOO SLOW. BUT IT'S A PROCESS THAT WILL FOLLOW AND TRY TO STAY ON TOP OF THE ONLY THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT WHEN IT'S A NEW BUILD WE HAVE THE POWER TO SAY THIS IS DESIGNED. IT NEEDS TO BE FIRST AND FOREMOST, SECOND OF ALL, WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS FIRST BROUGHT UP WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS, WE HAD THE POLICY THAT STATED 20% OF THE STRUCTURE IF IT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, RENOVATED, THEN IT HAS TO COME IN FRONT OF DESIGN REVIEW BOARD BASED ON CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. THE COMMUNE THE YOU KNOW THE AND BASED ON WHO WAS APPROACHED TO SERVE ON A COMMITTEE. THOSE CODES WERE WATERED DOWN AND ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. THE HOMES ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. BUT MOST OF THE OLDER HOMES AND TOWN ARE, YOU KNOW? THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO A POINT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE TOO FAR GONE TO EVER BE SAVED. SO THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS WHAT WE ARE BUILDING SHOULD BE BETTER THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS OR STUFF FOR, WHICH IS WHY WE SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTING THESE THINGS NOW, SO THAT'S JUST MY UM. THAT'S JUST MY ISSUE WITH ALL OF THIS. I'M WORRIED THAT THIS WILL TURN INTO A PARTIAL OF LAND THAT USED TO BE A HOME THAT WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE LIVING ON IT. 77 CARS AND THE DRIVEWAY AT ALL TIMES THEIR BACKYARD WILL BE TURNED INTO AN ASPHALT PARKING LOT. AND IT'S GOING TO DEVALUE. UM MORE SO THAN, UM, IN MY WARD AND I THINK MY RESIDENTS AND MY WARD SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION. THAT'S ALL. CARE AND I THINK THE RESIDENTS IN YOUR IN YOUR WARD PROBABLY ARE, UM. THE RECIPIENTS OF LIVING IN MORE MODEST PRICED HOUSES IN MARYSVILLE, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT WORTHINGTON AND UPTOWN WORTHINGTON. THE PROPERTY . I'M FOURTH STREET. THERE'S WHAT? KATHY 2 TO 50. MAYBE TODAY'S MARKET. THEY PROBABLY BUILT THAT ARE THEY MOVED IN IT. IT WAS 100,000. THE ONES INHINGG

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AND THAT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE THAT I HAVE. YEAH, WE CAN TELL SOMEBODY BUT THEY GOT TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY TO FIX UP THEIR HOUSE. YOU KNOW, I'M I HAVE TO SPEND MY OWN MONEY UP. I WANTED TO PUT HARDY PLANK ON MY HOUSE. GUESS WHAT? I GOT VINYL SIDING BECAUSE IT WAS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR ME. AND MY WIFE AND I BOTH MAKE A LOT OF GOOD MONEY . WELL, SHE'S RETIRED STILL MAKES GOOD VITALS ARE REALLY GOOD AT SPENDING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, AND YOU KNOW IT. WE'RE GONNA GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE IN HISTORIC MARYSVILLE. I WITNESSED THIS IN ATHENS AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY OWNS IT? IT JUST DETERIORATES IF YOU CREATE A DUST ARE YOU DONE? I'M DONE. OKAY I'M GONNA I'M GONNA SAY A LITTLE BIT. UM YOU KNOW, I KNOW DONALD. YOU BROUGHT UP THE COMMENT ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT UM HOW YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE SEVEN CARS AND YOU KNOW SOME OVERCROWDED SITUATION IN YOU KNOW, SOME PARTS OF TOWN . UM ACTUALLY, I THINK THIS IS BETTER THAN THE EXISTING SITUATION BECAUSE THE EXISTING SITUATION ALLOWS THE HOME TO BE SPLIT INTO TWO UNITS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO INTO TUBE DESIGN REVIEW DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET, YOU KNOW, NEW CODE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN KEEP THAT GRAVEL DRIVE, SPLIT IT INTO TWO UNITS AND IS EVEN WORSE SITUATION THAN TAKING A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT AND ADDING A SMALLER UNIT TO IT THAT THEN HAS TO COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND THEY HAVE TO BRING EVERYTHING UP. UP TO SNAP . I GUESS SO. IT'S YOU CAN'T ADD AN ACCESSORY UNIT TO A DUPLEX. YOU DON'T KNOW HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SPLIT UP. SO YOU CAN'T HAVE LIKE THREE UNITS OR TWO UNITS IN THE HOUSE AND BILL THIS IT'S ONLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND A SMALLER UNIT. I THINR SITUATION THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN HAPPEN IN SOME OF THE OLDER PARTS OF, YOU KNOW. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT, THEN I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD WORK TOGETHER TO PREVENT HOUSES FROM BECOMING DUPLEXES AND CHANGING ZONING CODE. JUST LIKE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND JRS AND HANKS. THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD JUST GET THE SAME PROTECTIONS AS AS ALL OF YOU. AND FOR THE RECORD, MY HOUSE DOES HAVE VINYL SIDING ON IT. UM I UNDERSTAND THAT HOMEOWNERS NEED VINYL SIDING, BUT THERE IS A WAY THAT YOU VINYL SIDING A HOME. THAT ALSO PROTECTS THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER. THE MAJORITY OF HOMEOWNERS IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB WITH PROTECTING THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THEIR HOME. IT'S THE IT'S THE UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF HOUSES IN MY WARD THAT ARE RENTALS THAT HAS BEEN DEVALUED. THAT ARE STRIPPED OF ITS CHARACTER, AND THERE USED AND USED UNTIL EVENTUALLY THEY GET DEMOLISHED BECAUSE NOBODY PUTS A DIME INTO HIM. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. AND HOUSES IN UPTOWN MARRAZZO WILL NEVER BE LIKE WORTHINGTON BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE VISION LIKE WORTHY INTEND TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL VALUE OF THE STRUCTURES. SO THANK YOU. I DISAGREE. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF VISION. YOU KEEP SAYING WE DON'T HAVE VISION. WHEN WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU. WE DON'T HAVE VISION, AND I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING THAT, JUST LIKE WE DON'T PLAY IN BOLOGNA. WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR EVERY DAY I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE PLAN YOU AGREE WITH. WE DON'T PLAN THAT'S GARBAGE. MR PRESIDENT? YES. UM WITH REGARD TO PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL. I THINK THAT'S A WORTHY THING FOR US TO GIVE FURTHER CONSIDERATION TO. I'M NOT SO SURE. CONDITIONAL ISN'T THE BETTER WAY TO GO? MY THOUGHTS AND MAYBE IF YOU CAN COME BACK WITH MORE SUPPORT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT UM CONSIDERATION FOR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE PERMITTED IN ALL. DISTRICTS OR CONDITIONAL AND SOME OR CONDITIONAL AND ALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE MAY BE CERTAIN SITUATIONS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MAYBE THE NEIGHBORS ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH. THEY'VE ALREADY GOT TOO MANY OR SOMETHING JUST ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. NEWER JUST ONE OTHER POINT TO DONALD'S, THOUGH, DONALD, I AGREE WITH JR IN THAT LET'S NOT COMPARE APPLES AND ORANGES WERE AN APPLE. WE'RE NOT COMPARING OURSELVES TO AN ORANGE. SOMETIMES. THANK YOU. CAN I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION? WHERE

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I NEVER MET YET. HE'S LIKE WHO'S ACTUALLY FONZIE? I PARENTS WHO HAVE SAID THE WORD FONZIE IS RIGHT. YEAH. DID HE GO TO SCHOOL HERE, OKAY. UH WE WILL MOVE ON NEXT. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR A

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ADMINISTRATION COMMENTS NOTHING FURTHER. UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO BRING BRAD UP, SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST MEETING, BUT I HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT BRAD'S DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION THAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT MYSELF. OH YOU CAN DO THAT, IN PRIVATE. GLAD. TO. YEAH LUCKILY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ESSENCE OF THAT WAS COVERED IN THE MINUTES, SO I'M I'M GOOD THERE, BRAD. THANKS FOR OFFERING HERE FOR YOU, MARK. I THINK, HANK, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY AT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING. UM AND WHAT BREAD DEFINITELY EMPHASIZED. IS THAT UM, THIS WAS ONLY CERTAIN SECTIONS IN THE BUDGET. THIS WAS NOT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. SO IT MAY SEEM LIKE WE WERE ASKING OR ADMINISTRATION WAS ASKING FOR ANOTHER 100,000. YEAH IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, THE ARE SECTIONS OF THE BUDGET WHERE WE ARE NOT GOING TO DEPLETE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE. SO DON'T THINK OF THIS AS ALL HAVING TO COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. BECAUSE THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THE BUDGET WHERE WE DO HAVE AMPLE TONS AND THOSE WHO FLOW BACK AGAIN IN THERE, SO WE DID TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION AS WELL. AND IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO LEGISLATE LEGISLATIVE LEGISLATION. OKAY THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COUNCIL COMMENTS? CITIZEN COMMENTS. MR PRESIDENT AND MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL , MRS GROAT. YES MR BERGER? YES MR REEMS? YES MR ROUSH? YES MR BURBEY? YES, MR CARPENTER? YES, MR SEYMOUR. SEVEN. YES MOTION CARRIES. THAT'S THE LAST OF OUR ORDINANCES, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO

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WE CAN MAKE MUCH MUCH BETTER AND MAKE THAT A VALUED ASSET IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GO OVER ONE YEAR AND YOU START TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND IT'S JUST I GOTTA THANK THE STAFF. I MEAN, I KNOW JEREMY AND KYLE ARE HERE TONIGHT. JEREMY'S ON VACATION, AND KYLE HAD SOMETHING THAT HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. BUT THE WORK THAT THESE GUYS DO ACROSS THE BOARD AND YOU YOU GOT GOT IT FROM OUR PLANNING STAFF AND CODE ENFORCEMENT TONIGHT, THE AND I HAVEN'T EVEN GOT INTO THE SAFETY FORCES. YOU GUYS THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WITH OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR AS WELL, HELPING US THROUGH A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS JUST AWESOME AND I COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD OF THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY DOES IN THE SUPPORT THAT YOU GUYS GIVE US. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE SQUABBLING OVER AN ISSUE LIKE THIS TONIGHT, BUT IT'S A GOOD ISSUE AND IT NEEDS SOME DISCUSSION, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT INPUT. BUT WE THE SUPPORT YOU'VE GIVEN ON ALL THESE PROJECTS IS JUST, UM UM.

SO VALUED BY OUR STAFF. THEY REALLY APPRECIATE IT NOW. SO I DON'T TAKE ANY FLACK FROM BRAD.

TOMORROW I'LL CLOSE WITH THAT AND SAY THANK YOU HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY AND A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU , TERRY. MR. PRESIDENT AGAIN. NEVER KNOW WHICH SIDE YOU'RE GONNA START ON, UM VERY WELL, SAID TERRY. I AGREE WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING HE SAID, UM, TODAY I WAS REALLY THINKING ABOUT OUR OUR STAFF. HONESTLY NOT GET A LIE TO YOU, LIKE I WAS

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UM I CAN CONFIRM THAT THAT IS TRUE BY THE WAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF. UM, FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. I TRULY APPRECIATE IT. UM SO I COULD GO ON AND BUT JUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW THAT THE WORK YOU DO IS IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT'S EXTENSIVE AND IT'S A LOT AND WE DON'T MAKE THE PROGRESS THAT WE HAVE MADE IN THE LAST YEARS. TERRY JUST LAID OUT WITHOUT THE HARD WORK OF ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS WORKING COHESIVELY, SO GREAT JOB, AND I'M PROUD TO REPRESENT THE CITY. UM COUPLE, OTHER NOTES. I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO SNOW VERY HARD LATER THIS WEEK, THURSDAY, FRIDAY THIS WEEKEND, SO BE SAFE OUT THERE SHOUT OUT OR STREET CREWS FOR, UM I'M SURE THEY'RE PREPARING THIS WEEK FOR WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN THIS WINTER. UM SO JUST STAY SAFE OUT THERE AND , UH, DRIVE CAREFULLY. UM, I HAD THE CHANCE TO MEET JEFF BEARD TONIGHT. WELCOME ABOARD, PLANNING DIRECTOR. RIGHT PLANNING OFFICER OFFICER. SORRY BUT IT WAS GREAT TO MEET YOU. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THREE OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. UM I LEARNED A LOT. UM SO THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION.

HONESTLY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. OTHER THAN THAT, I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY HOLIDAY AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR. I TURNED 27 ON JANUARY 2ND, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, THE DAY THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT. IT'S A JOKE THAT I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE BUT SERIOUSLY. NO ONE CARES ABOUT JANUARY 2ND, BUT THAT'S MY BIRTHDAY. SO NEXT TIME YOU SEE ME, I'LL BE 27 HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME WITH YOUR LOVED ONES. AND, UM HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HANK. LAST THING I'M SO SORRY. I CAN ALSO CONFIRM THAT THE MARYSVILLE WATER IS REALLY GOOD . I WANT SOME MORE OF IT IF I CAN BUY LIKE A BIG TANK. THAT'S LIKE FILTERED. I WOULD. IT'S ALREADY FILTERED. BUT IF I COULD GET A BIG TANK OF IT, AND JUST LIKE, PRESS A BUTTON AND GET SOME IN A COP, OKAY, PERFECT. PERFECT. YEAH AWESOME. THANK YOU. ARE YOU SURE ABOUT IT FOR SO THAT ONE TIME SORRY ABOUT THAT. I DO APOLOGIZE. IT WAS DELICIOUS, AND I HAD TWO OF THEM . SO UM, THERE WAS ONE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS FAR AS FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING. OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, WE MADE CHANGES WITH PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE AHEAD OF THE UH UM, HEAD OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO UM, WE DID KEEP TAB OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE NEEDED TO DO. THE FINANCE COMMITTEE'S BE GOING BACK ALMOST TWO YEARS. THANKS FOR BACKUP OR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. THERE WAS TWO HOURS AND THREE MINUTES. ONE HOUR. 44 41 MINUTES ONE HOUR 37 TWO HOURS . 21 HOUR 39 2 HOURS 62 HOURS 57 MINUTES, TWO HOURS, ONE HOUR, ONE HOUR, SO IF WE AND AGAIN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 2022, I'M I'M ALWAYS A COUPLE OF YEARS AHEAD AND SINCE THE REQUEST WAS MADE TO LOOK AT IT, SO WHAT WE POTENTIALLY COULD DO AND SINCE THE INTENT THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP ON, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CAME TO THE REFUSE OF NEW EMPLOYEES THAT INTO WORK SESSION. IF WE MOVE SOME ITEMS MORE INTO THE WORK SESSION, MOSTLY, I THINK THAT A 5 30 FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING AHEAD OF THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING. IT COULD BE SUFFICIENT. YEAH SO ANYWAY, THAT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT IT SOMETIME IN JANUARY WILL MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN WE APPOINT OFFICERS FOR THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE ON THE REASONABLE TO MAKE IT A PIPE 30, AT LEAST FOR ONE YEAR. AND IF WE LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND THEN FILTER OUT IF WE DO NEED TO MOVE SOME ITEMS TO THE WORK SESSION, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE TALKED ABOUT SO AGAIN, THINKING , THINKING OUT FOR NEXT YEAR, THIS WOULD OPEN UP ONE. DEDICATED MONDAY THAT CURRENTLY WE NEED TO USE AND IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT IF THERE IS A TIME THAT THE BUDGET NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED, WE STILL COULD MAKE THAT ONE SPECIAL FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING ON OCCASION,

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THESE TRADITIONS COULD BE BAKING COOKIES DECORATING THE TREE SINGING OUR FAVORITE CAROLS.

EVEN IF YOU ARE OUT OF TUNE OR WATCHING YOUR FAVORITE FILM AND ALWAYS BEING SURPRISED AT THE SAME ENDING. CHRISTMAS CAN ALSO BE A TIME OF GREAT HARDSHIP. FOR MANY, AND MY FAMILY, TOO, WILL BE CELEBRATING DIFFERENTLY THIS YEAR. FOR EVERY FIRST GREETING. THERE IS A LAST DEPARTURE. I AM TOO AWARE MY TIME. MY TIME WILL ONE DAY COME AS I MEET ALL THOSE WHO WENT BEFORE ME. I DO NOT WORRY BECAUSE MY FAITH GROUNDS ME IN THE TEACHING TO LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THEY SELL THE HOLIDAY SEASON CAN BE A MAGICAL WITH EVERY SMILE AND SAYING GOOD WILL TO MEN GOODWILL TO ALL MEN.

AS ONE WE ALL SHOULD SHARE IN OUR HEARTS ALL YEAR. NO MATTER HOW YOU SPEND THE HOLIDAYS OR WHO YOU CALL FAMILY, I WISH EVERYONE A VERY HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND IF AND A YEAR FULL OF GRATITUDE AND HOPE, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DONALD. YEP. I VOTED YES. ON THE LEGISLATION TO APPROVE THE CONTINUANCE OF ENTERPRISE ZONE TAX INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS WITH VARIOUS COMPANIES. I DON'T KNOW THE BACKGROUNDS OF THOSE COMPANIES. SO LET ME EXPLAIN MY YES VOTE.

THIS WAS INTRODUCED BEFORE TWO WEEKS AGO. BUT IN THE FUTURE, I WILL EXPECT TO KNOW WHO OWNS AND WHO INVESTS IN SUCH COMPANIES. ALSO IT'S MY FAULT. MR CORDELL DID REPORT CORRECTLY WHAT I HAD SAID TWO WEEKS AGO ABOUT INVESTMENTS IN COMPANIES AND FOREIGN INVESTMENTS. WHAT I MISSPOKE IS AND THIS IS TOTALLY ON ME. YOU'LL NEVER HEAR ME SAY I'M SORRY AGAIN AND MY HUSBAND'S

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SO WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS. AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. MM AND THIS MEETING IS READY FOR GERMANY. I'LL MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING. OKAY ON FAVORITE.

PLEASE SAY I BEING IN

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