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, THEY'RE ALWAYS YOU TONIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. IT IS SEVEN O'CLOCK AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THE JANUARY 9TH COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER IF YOU PLEASE RAISE. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND FOR RACES SINCE ONE DAY INDIVIDUAL ALL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALMIGHTY GOD, WE ASK YOU TO GUIDE US THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING AS WE SEEK TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY OF MAYSVILLE AND HIS CITIZENS. AMEN. YEAH. PROPERTIES ALLEN SEYMOUR DEBORAH GROPE DONALD BURGER CREAMS, JR ROUSH KIRBY AARON CARPENTER PRESENT. OKAY? THEY HAD NO MINUTES TO BE APPROVED IN TONIGHT'S MEETING. I'M SURE EVENTUALLY WILL CATCH
[APPOINTMENTS]
UP AND GET MAYBE FORTIFIED AMIDST THE SAME TIME. WE DO HAVE A FEW APPOINTMENTS THAT WE DO NEED TO MAKE. THE FIRST ONE. THE TAX INCENTIVE REVIEW COUNCIL. YEAH, I THINK HE CAN IMPART THAT IS TO TAG FINANCE DIRECTOR AND ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO BE APPOINTED BY CITY MANAGER AND APPARENT BY THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY. AND FOR 2023. WE WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT JAILHOUSE SINCE HE HAS DONE SO IN PREVIOUS YEARS, AND I THINK HE'S VERY COMFORTABLE IN THAT ROLE. SO IT DOES NEED A VOICE VOTE. SO IF ALL OF US IN FAVOR TO THE APPOINTMENT OF GE TO THE TEXAN CENTER REVIEW COUNCIL BOARDS. THEY SAY HI. OKAY, ANYBODY OPPOSED? ALREADY. YOU GOT YOURSELF A JOB. THERE YOU GO. COUNCIL COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS FOR 2023, APPOINTED BY PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL FOR FINANCE. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ELLEN SEYMOUR CAMES AND ARNOLD BURGER. AND PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE COMMITTEE, MRS GOAT MR ROGERS AND MR CARPENTER. UM I'M NOT SINCE ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN THOSE ROLES FOR MANY YEARS. I DON'T WANT TO POINT ANYBODY DIRECTLY AS THE CHAIRPERSON. I THINK THAT AMONGST YOURSELF, YOU CAN PRETTY WELL TO SIDE WITH THAT PERSON SHOULD BE, UM, THE ONLY ONE QUESTION OF COURSE THAT I BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME WAS WOULD THE FINANCE COMMUNITY. CONSIDER TRYING TO MATCH THE MEETING TIME IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING SIMILAR TO WHAT THE PUBLIC SERVICE PUBLIC SAFETY DOES. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE FIRST ONE THAT WE HAVE WE ALSO BE ALREADY HAVE A I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT SCHEDULED COMPLEX. BUT WOULD YOU MIND SINCE THAT'S THE RIBBON CUTTING? YES UM, WE WERE GOING TO ANNOUNCE TONIGHT THAT AT FOUR WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AT 4 30 ON JANUARY 23RD THE RIBBON CUTTING AT THE NEW WATER PLANT, SO THAT WILL BE THE 23RD TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. AND UH, THE REASON WE'VE STRATEGICALLY WAITED IS WE BELIEVE WE WILL BE GENERATING WATER TO THE COMMUNITY AT THAT POINT FROM THE NEW PLANTS, SO WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THAT WAS DONE. SO JANUARY 23RD TWO WEEKS TODAY WE WILL CONFIRM THAT AND SEND THAT OUT. AND THAT WILL BE A 4 30. THE REASON WE WANT TO DO IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IS WE WANT TO DO IT DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS, BECAUSE IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT TOO LATE , WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE DARK WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE KIND OF RIBBON SO AROUND 4 30 ON THAT DAY, YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK, MR PRESIDENT, AS WE TALKED AND FINANCE BEFORE THAT IF. CHOICE COULD BE TO HAVE IT ON THE NIGHT OF A COUNCIL. MHM IF WE HAD THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING EARLY ENOUGH WHERE WE COULD GIVE IT SUFFICIENT TIME AND YOU SEND OUT SOME SORT OF A SORT OF A CHART OUTLINED THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING OFTEN TOOK, AND I YOU WERE IN WHAT AN HOUR AND A HALF AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES OR AN HOUR AND A HALF ON AVERAGE. THAT IS CORRECT. YES YEAH. SO IN IN IN RESPECT. FOR THE CITY EMPLOYEES WHO NEED TO STAY FOR THOSE MEETINGS. AND THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE CITY COUNCIL ANYWHERE ON MONDAY NIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE IT LIKE AT 5 30 SO THAT WAS A PROPOSAL WE TALKED ABOUT AT THAT[00:05:02]
TIME CORRECTLY. YEAH AND MR REEMS, IS THAT. WELL, WE HAVE TIME TO DO. THAT'S THE SAME NIGHT AS THE RIBBON CUTTING. YES IF YOU CHOSE TO DO FINANCE COMMITTEE BUT, UM, IF IT'S OK WITH THE COMMITTEE, LET'S DO IT AT 5 30 THIS MONTH AND WE'LL FINALIZE OUR PLANS AS ONE OF THE AGENDA BACK BY 5 30 FOR SURE. THE TARGET OF COURSE, WOULD BE ONGOING. YEAH, I'M GONNA HAVE 30 BEING THE STARTED. THINK SO. BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT IT FINDING ITS COMMITTEE. OKAY SO, MR BERGER, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS? I AGREE WITH. REMEMBER HANK ALREADY DREAMS. OKAY OKAY, SEATS. DON'T KNOW IS THAT IS THAT OKAY WITH ADMINISTRATION. TO THAT, OKAY, SO AND THEN WE COULD WORK OUT.DID WE CAN WORK OUT THE DETAILS ? YES. OKAY ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU . THEN AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE THAT AS A STARTING POINT. SO MACKENZIE IF YOU KEEP IN MIND THAT FOR THE NEXT WEEK, BASICALLY A WEEK OFF, WHICH IS UNUSUAL, BECAUSE HISTORICALLY WE WOULD GO FOR, UM MONDAYS AND AGO. BUT WE'LL SKIP NEXT AND THEN WE'LL DOUBLE UP WITH FINANCE AND COUNSEL AT THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. OKAY. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. UM ALREADY WE ONLY HAVE FOUR WAY, UM MORE TO DO. UM SO THERE IS A PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS, COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT CORPORATE CORPORATION. THE C I C. IT'S TYPICAL THAT THE PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL IS THE REPRESENTATIVE.
SO THAT IS ONE THAT I WILL WORK WITH ERIC, CONN. SO THIS WOULD BE MYSELF THE LOGAN UNION AND CHAMPAGNE REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION. MR SEYMOUR ALWAYS FAITHFULLY BEEN ABLE TO EXECUTED THOSE, SO WE PUT YOUR NAME DOWN. I HOPE THAT'S OKAY. ALREADY. WONDERFUL UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD THE, UM INTERACTION AS PREVIOUSLY MAYBE PREVIOUS YEARS, HOWEVER, HE WOULD STILL LIKE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE REPORT. MITORY FOR WOMEN, AND THIS IS GOOD. WOULD YOU BE THE KIND TO BE THE PERSON FOR THAT? OKAY SO YOU WILL BE OUR LIAISON OR THE OW AND THEN THE LAST ONE FOR TONIGHT IS DEPARTMENT IS DEPENDENT BOARD FUND. YEAH AND, UM, IN PREVIOUS YEARS WE'VE HAD MR AMES. MR ROCHE, ABOUT 15 MINUTES TO THE MEETING TIME SO IF IT'S OKAY TO POINT THE TWO OF YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE MOST FAMILIAR WITH THOSE. OKAY WONDERFUL. THOSE ARE THE APPOINTMENT SET
[ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT]
FOR TONIGHT. I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. POLICE THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT, AND I DID WANT TO START OUT BY CONGRATULATING, UH, HANK AND J. R AS IN THE APPOINTMENTS OF PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL AND VICE PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL. WE LOOK FORWARD OBVIOUSLY TO TWO VERY, UM BUSY AND, UH, YEAR COMING AHEAD OF US THIS YEAR, A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON, BUT CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT. I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE RIBBON CUTTING AT THE WATER PLANT. JANUARY 23RD 24 30. SO HAVE THAT ON YOUR CALENDARS WOULD TRY TO HAVE GOOD WEATHER FOR THAT EVENING IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN HAVE THAT THAT EVENING REMINDER OF THE CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED ON MONDAY, JANUARY 16TH AND OBSERVANCE OF MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY. SO JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THAT, AND THEN LAST, UM JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW TODAY YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY SEEN IS LAW ENFORCEMENT APPRECIATION DAY AND I THINK, UM YOU KNOW, OUR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS HERE IN MARYSVILLE AND THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY DO A FANTASTIC JOB. AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I THINK WE TAKE THEM FOR GRANTED FOR THE JOBS THEY DO. DAY IN AND DAY OUT, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT TODAY A LOAN FORCE MINT APPRECIATION DAY AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE CHIEF AND SEND THE MESSAGE TO THE TO THE STAFF. UH THAT WE APPRECIATE ALL ALL THAT YOU GUYS DO FOR US. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I'LL SHIFT IT DOWN TO JEREMY FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. THANKS TERRY. OUR STREETS DIVISION HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE DEMOLITION OF THE EAGLES BUILDING. SO OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU GUYS DRIVEN TONIGHT, THE[00:10:02]
DEMOLITION IS COMPLETE. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON HAULING OFF THE DEBRIS. SO WE'RE HOPING TO WRAP THAT UP THIS WEEK, BUT IT MAY EXTEND INTO NEXT WEEK JUST TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING OUT OF THERE AND THEN OUR CITY CRUISER, CONTINUING WORK SOME MILD OR MISCELLANEOUS MINOR WORKOUT AT THE CHESTNUT FACILITY PARKS. WE WERE ABLE TO REPLACE THE ULTRA PARK SIGNS. SO IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO DRIVE BY THERE THOSE MEET OUR NEW UM I GUESS OUR NEW STANDARD THAT YOU SEE SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS. AND OUR CREWS CONTINUE TO TAKE DOWN CHRISTMAS CHECK DECORATIONS AND ATTEND MISCELLANEOUS TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE UPDATES FROM WATER INCLUDE THE JEROME TOWNSHIP WATER TOWERS AND SERVICE IN MILK OR WATER FROM MILLCREEK IS BEING PUMPED INTO THE RESERVOIR. SO THAT'S ALL MY UPDATES. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KYLE FOR SOME CONSTRUCTION UPDATES RELATED TO SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON. THANKS JEREMY. THE FIRST ONE IS THE EAST FOURTH STREET BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECTS. SO OUR CONTRACTOR WAS HOPING THAT MOBILIZED TODAY FOR THAT PROJECT AND START NEXT WEEK, HOWEVER, LAST WEEK AND SOME OF THEIR DUE DILIGENCE THEY NOTICED AN OVERHEAD UTILITY LINE. SO DO TO THAT CONFLICT. WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT UTILITY COMPANY TO GET THAT RELOCATED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DELAY. WE'RE THINKING IT MIGHT JUST DELAY THINGS A WEEK OR TWO. BEFORE WE STARTED. THAT PROJECT WILL KEEP YOU GUYS IN THE LOOP AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION. SECOND PROJECT IS THE WARNER ROAD UTILITY EXTENSION PROJECT, OUR CONTRACTOR TO CONTINUES TO INSTALL SAYING THAT SENATOR SEWARD DOWN, WORN THEIR ROADS FOR THAT ONE, AND THE LAST UPDATE IS THE WATKINS ROAD PUMP STATION PROJECT. AH OUR CONTRACTOR CONTINUES TO EXCAVATE FOR THE PUMP STATION OF THAT PROJECT, SO THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION UPDATES AT THIS TIME. THAT CONCLUDES OUR ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ANY QUESTIONS. THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THE STATION. IN CLOSE TO INTO TOWN ON INDUSTRIAL ROAD. ARE WE COMING ALONG? SO PUMP STATION TWO IS COMING ALONG . GOOD. WE'RE HOPING THAT IS OPERATIONAL IN APRIL. SO WE'RE ABOUT 23 MONTHS AWAY FOR THAT? YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH HATED. REPORT FROM ECONOMIC[REPORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT]
DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I HAD ONLY HAD ONE THING RECENTLY . AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY SOLD PROPERTY TO HARDY WORLD AND THE OWNER OF HARDY WORLD, JOE OR JOSEPH HARDY. HIS HEART'S BIRTHDAY WAS ON SATURDAY. WELL HE ALSO PASSED AWAY ON SATURDAY . SO CONDOLENCE GOES HIS FAMILY . BUT THEY DID INVESTED MONEY IN THE CITY, AND IT'S AMAZING TO LIVE TO BE 100 YEARS OF AGE AND TO BE A FOUNDER OF 84 LUMBER MAYORS WILL HAD IN 84 LUMBER AT ONE TIME WERE GREENS. AUTO POINT IS, AND, UM, AGAIN, THEY WERE NOW REINVESTING IN MARYSVILLE AND AGAIN, SARDI GREAT THAT HE LASTED ALL HUNTER BUT ALSO SAD TO SEE HIM PASS AWAY ON HIS 100TH BIRTHDAY. BUT AGAIN, WE OUR CONDOLENCES GO TO THE HARDY FAMILY WITH THIS LOSS AND THEIR FAMILIES. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAD. NOT YET ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 89. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE FOR TONIGHT IS[REPORT OF CLERK OF COUNCIL]
REGARDING A LIP GROUP PERMIT REQUEST. UM FOR BOB EVANS, WHICH IS ON LYDIA DRIVE. UM A D ONE REQUEST, WHICH IS TO ADHERE TO THE MENU. UM CHIEF BROOKS HAS NO OBJECTIONS. THIS COUNCIL SECTIONS. OKAY OKAY, BETTER CHANGE YOUR NAMES LIKE THAT. UM I REALLY AND I THINK YOU HAVE A COUPLE OTHER, ADAMS SAID. WE DO NEED TO FINISH UP ON AND THEN ONE OTHER ITEM IS REGARDING THE REVIEW OF THE RULES OF COUNCIL. THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS. UM I HAVE TONIGHT TO PASS OUT TO YOU THE CURRENT RULES AS THEY STAND , AND THEN WE ALSO TO PASS OUT IS THE ADDITION OF SECTION EIGHT, WHICH IS A PROCESS OUTLINING THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURES FOR, UM THE BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS. UM THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE WORK SESSION IN SEPTEMBER. UM SO HAVE THOSE TWO ITEMS TO PASS OUT TO YOU. AND THEN HANK, DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS FURTHER DOING THAT AT THE MOMENT? I CAN PASS IT OUT WHILE YOU'RE TALKING THROUGH.OK? HMM? UM SO SINCE THIS ONE IS AN OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE TO DO ONCE A YEAR, THE QUESTION IS,
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THAT'S WHY I DID ASK MACKENZIE TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT IN PRINT, AND WE COULD EITHER ADDED TO NEXT MONTH AGENDA OR WE CAN POSTPONE IT TO THIS MONTH. COUNCIL MEETING OR NEXT MONTH WORK SESSION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE EITHER WAY, NEXT MONTH'S WORK SESSION NEXT MONTH'S WORK SESSION, OKAY, ALREADY AGAIN. THIS GIVES YOU THE CURRENT ONE AND GIVES YOU THE UPDATE THAT WE HAD EARLIER DISCUSSED. AND THEN, IN THE MEANTIME, FILTHY IF THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE DO NEED TO BRING EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER, OKAY? ALREADY MACKENZIE. SO AT THIS POINT, WE WILL ADD IT TO THE WORK SESSION AND GET THE DATE AND THAT SHOULD BE FEBRUARY. THE SEX MHM PERFECT. THANK YOU. 6 23 WORK SESSION. HMM. REALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT, UM. THANK YOU THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY ITEMS THAT, UM HMM. YEAH SO THE CHOICE WAS THE COUNCIL MEETING OR THE WORK SESSION AND WE DECIDED TO GO FOR THE WORK SESSION, SO THOSE WERE THE ONLY ONES OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY HEARING . NONE BE MOVE ON THE AGENDA TO HEARING OF CITIZENS. THIS IS THE[HEARING OF CITIZENS]
TIME OF THE MEETING. CITIZENS HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO DISCUSS AND ITEMS THAT IS NOT PART OF THE NATURE AGENDA. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, PUT AN EIGHT AGENDA BILL THREE. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RELATED TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA. AGAIN WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PLEASURE PRECEDENTS AND YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. KATHY. THERE YOU GO. THE YOUNG FOR 25 STATE STREET. THAT'S AN AWARD FOR SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME, BUT I'M GOING TO READ THIS, SO I DON'T SAY SOMETHING I'M GOING TO REGRET LATER. MOST OF YOU KNOW WHO I AM, AND THEN I MIGHT BE A LANDLORD. LET ME CORRECT YOU. I'M NOT A LANDLORD. I'M A HOUSING PROVIDER. THE WORD LANDLORD DATES BACK TO THE MEDIEVAL TIMES AND PAINTS A VILLAIN PICTURE AND ASSOCIATES WITH SLUMLORDS. LANDLORDS AND SLUMLORDS ARE THOSE WHO REFUSED TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES AND DO NOT FOLLOW THE FAIR HOUSING WAS HOUSING PROVIDERS.ON THE OTHER HAND, ARE THOSE THAT ADHERE TO HIGH ETHICS AND BEST PRACTICES. I PERSONALLY HOLD A REAL ESTATE LICENSE IN THE STATE OF OHIO REAL ESTATE AGENTS FROM THE STATE OF OHIO ARE HELD TO THE CANONS OF ETHICS, WHICH IN ARTICLE ONE STATE, THE LICENSEE SHOULD ENDEAVOR TO MAINTAIN AND ESTABLISH A HIGH STANDARDS OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT AND INTEGRITY IN DEALING WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. AS WELL AS FELLOW LICENSES AND FURTHER SEEK TO AVOID ANY APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. IMPROPRIETY IN ANY ACTIVITY AS A LICENSEE. I HAVE SAID SAT IN MANY CITY MEETINGS AND OVER THE YEARS HEARD EXACTLY THESE DEPICTIONS OF LANDLORDS.
INSULIN LORDS THAT HAVE SPEWED FROM COUNCILS. MEMBERS OF COUNCILS MOUSE. THE WORD LANDLORD HAS BECOME SO OFFENSIVE TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE OHIO REAL ESTATE INVESTORS ASSOCIATION THAT WE ACTUALLY PROPOSED LEGISLATION AT THE STATE LEVEL TO CHANGE THE WORD LANDLORD TO HOUSING PROVIDER. THERE ARE MANY OF US HOUSING PROVIDERS, WHETHER LICENSED OR NOT THAT HAVE INVESTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT MILLIONS. OF OUR OWN PERSONAL FUNDS TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. BUT WE ALSO EMPLOY CONTRACTORS TO DO WORK. WE PAY FOR OUR BANK INTEREST SO THAT BANKS CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE LOANS TO OTHER CITIZENS. WE PAID FOR SUPPLIES AT HOME IMPROVEMENT STORES LOCALLY WE PURCHASED FROM OUR LOCAL REAL ESTATE OR I'M SORRY. OUR LOCAL INSURANCE AGENTS AND THE LIST GOES ON AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HOUSING PROVIDERS SPENT HERE IN MARYSVILLE. BY DOING THIS, WE HAVE INCREASED THE PROPERTY VALUES. WE HAVE INCREASED OUR PROPERTY TAXES. THAT HELPED THE SCHOOL BOARDS HELP M R D D THE LIBRARY, AND THE LIST GOES ON. ALL THE VENDORS HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT PAY TAXES TO THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. THE PEOPLE THAT WE HOUSE IN OUR HOUSES IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. HEY, TAXES TO LIVE HERE. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE STATEMENT? YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW. THAT'S BASICALLY THE LAYMAN'S DEFINITION OF IGNORANCE. LET ME
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BE BLUNT. I WAS INSULTED WHEN I HEARD QUOTE. HOMEOWNERS IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB AT PROTECTING THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THEIR HOME. IT'S THE LIMITED NUMBER OF THE HOUSES IN MY WARD THAT ARE RENTALS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVALUED THAT ARE STRIPPED OF ITS CHARACTER, AND THERE ARE USED AND USED UNTIL EVENTUALLY THEY GET DEMOLISHED BECAUSE NOBODY PUT A DIAMOND TO THEM, UNQUOTE. THE STATEMENT IS SO FAR FROM THE TRUTH. ONE HOUSE I PURCHASED IN 2020, LOCATED ON ELWOOD AVENUE. IT WAS OWNER OCCUPIED UNTIL THE GENTLEMAN PASSED AWAY WITHIN A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER I PURCHASED IT. I HAD IMPROVED IT BY $69,000 JUST IN ONE HOME.WHICH INCLUDED INSTALLING THIS. DALJIT THAILAND, $15, A SQUARE FOOT EXPOSING THE BRICK, REMOVING THE 19 SEVENTIES SPINDLES AND PUTTING THE ROOM BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE.
REFURBISHING THAT HANDRAILS AND I ACTUALLY DRUGS THE CLAW FOOT TUB OUT TO THE FRONT YARD AND REFURBISHED IT AND REINSTALLED IT INTO THE HOUSE. IN ADDITION, FROM JUST THE HOMES I OWN IN MARYSVILLE. IN 2021. I SPENT $63,000 ONLY ON IMPROVEMENTS. NOT THE PURCHASE PRICE, NOT THE INTEREST, NOT INSURANCE, NOT TAXES, ONLY IMPROVEMENTS AND IN 2022 JUSTICE LAST YEAR $75,000.
THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF 5000 TO $5500 PER PROPERTY JUST FOR IMPROVEMENTS. 93% OF THOSE ARE IN MY WARD. THAT WOULD BE WARD FOR. THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMEOWNERS OWNER OCCUPIED PEOPLE. THAT LIVING WORD FOR PROBABLY DO NOT HAVE HOME IMPROVEMENT BUDGET OF $5000 A YEAR. I APPRECIATE JR'S COMMENTS ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE HOME IMPROVEMENTS ARE, AND SOMETIMES WE CAN'T AFFORD HARDY PLANK, CITING SO I CURRENTLY ASK THOSE OF YOU ON COUNCIL TO THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK, DO NOT LOVE ALL HOUSING PROVIDED BUT PROVIDERS IN WITH A HANDFUL OF BAD APPLES FROM WORDS WITHIN THE CITY. THANK YOU. OKAY? THANK YOU, MR YOUNG. I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDIDNESS AND YOUR COMMENTS. YEAH. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE PODIUM. OKAY? HEARING DONE. UM HEY, THERE, WE'RE MOVING ON TO RESOLUTIONS RESOLUTION A
[Res. A]
RESOLUTION A ONE READING ONLY TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO APPLY FOR TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES FUNDS THROUGH THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE STATE ROUTE 31 WIDENING PROJECT. THANKS MACKENZIE. I'VE GOT THIS ONE COUNCIL MACKENZIE'S GONNA PULL UP A PDF OF AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS WHAT THIS FUNDING APPLICATION IS FOR. BUT WHILE SHE'S DOING IT, I'LL PROVIDE THE BACKGROUND OF THE PROJECT. UM THIS RESOLUTION IS NO DIFFERENT THAN OTHER FUNDING APPLICATION RESOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL WHERE IT REQUIRES LEGISLATION BY COUNCILOR TO ALLOW OUR CITY MANAGER ATTORNEY EMERY TO APPLY FOR FUNDING APPLICATIONS SO IF WE LOOK HEREE THREE PROJECT IMPROVES 31 FROM BASICALLY THE EXIT RAMP ON 33 ALL THE WAY SOUTH TO THE THREE WAY IN THEIR SECTION THAT ELWOOD AVENUE AND MAPLE STREET JUST A REMINDER. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE SMALL CITIES FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT. WE RECEIVED $2 MILLION FROM OWED THAT TO HELP FUND UM THIS PROJECT. THE CURRENT COST ESTIMATE IS AROUND $4 MILLION SO THAT THAT MEANS THE CITIES ON THE HOOK OR WE HAVE EARMARKED $2 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND NEXT YEAR IN 2024 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT. SO THAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT. HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. AND IT WAS TOUGH TO SEE. UM I'LL JUST SKIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE TO SHOW THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. UM THIS FUNDING APPLICATION IS FOR PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THIS STRETCH OF ROADWAY, SO WE ARE PROPOSING A NEW SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD. ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD OR THE MARYSVILLE EARLY CHILD HIGH SCHOOL SIDE OF THE[00:25:01]
ROAD. WE'RE PROPOSING A 10 FT WIDE SHARING THE USE PATH. WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING A MID BLOCK CROSSING, UM, JUST SOUTH OF TAYLOR AVENUE WITH A REFUGE ISLAND WILL HAVE LIGHTS WITH LIKE A PEDESTRIAN PUSH BUTTON TO HELP PEDESTRIANS CROSS STATE ROUTE 31 OR MAPLE STREET AT THAT INTERSECTION. IN TOTAL ARE GRAB GRANT OR FUNDING APPLICATION IS WERE REQUESTING $460 407 JR SAID THE SAME THING AT $460,000. EVERY DOLLAR ACCOUNTS NO $460,000. THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. SO IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH IT, UM WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S JUST GOING TO LOWER OUR CONTRIBUTION. CHOIR MINT IN 2024. UM I GUESS ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PROJECT OR THIS SPECIFIC. UH TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE PROGRAM APPLICATION. OKAY ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KALE? YEAH WHAT WILL BE THE TIMING GIVEN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS A COUPLE SCHOOLS RIGHT THERE? YEAH MIDDLE OF IT, SO WE'RE HOPING TO START CONSTRUCTION. THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS PROJECT WILL LAST THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCTION SEASON. SO WE'RE HOPING TO START CONSTRUCTION, PROBABLY APRIL OR IN THE SPRING OF 24 FINISH IT UP BEFORE. THE END OF THE YEAR. SO END OF OCTOBER EARLY NOVEMBER, AND WE HAVE WEARING CONSTANT TALKS WITH THE SCHOOLS, SO THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF IT ACTUALLY JUST HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK WITH A COUPLE REPRESENTATIVES TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT. YES OKAY.YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. SO YEP. SO HERE'S HERE'S THE EXISTING HOW IT HOW IT IS. TODAY IS A THREE WAY AND THERE'S THREE WAY STOP RIGHT HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION. PROPOSED. WE'RE PROPOSING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL HERE THAT WILL BE TIMES AND SYNC UP WITH THE AMERI MILL ROAD TRAFFIC SIGNAL, SO THIS WILL ALLOW THE SCHOOL ONCE THEY DISCHARGE AND ONCE VEHICLES EXCEPT TO BE ABLE TO FLUSH OUT AND GET THEM OUT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. I KNOW THE SCHOOLS ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS CHANGE . WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE A HUGE BENEFIT AT THIS LOCATION. NOT AWAY. WHATEVER. UH NOT WITHOUT TAKING SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE PROPERTIES FROM THE LIKE THE APARTMENTS ON THE SOUTH LAKE OF IT. YEAH, THANK YOU. ALAN THAT WAS A GREAT POINT. I FORGOT. I FAILED TO MENTION REAL QUICK. SO THIS IS THE ONE THANK CHANGE FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. THE OTHER ONE IS OVER HERE. SO CURRENTLY THERE'S A SLIP RAMP. UM SINCE WE ARE INTRODUCING A SHARED USE PATH ACROSS IS THAT UP TO THE BRIDGE? WE'RE GOING TO SQUARE THIS UP. AND HAVE A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE THAT WILL REMAIN GREEN. FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, SO IT WILL STILL ALLOW VEHICLES TO, YOU KNOW, GET ONTO THE I GUESS ENTERING RAMP. UH ONTO 33. IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE THEM SLOW DOWN A LOT MORE AT THAT INTERSECTION. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE GREEN APPLICATION ITSELF, ACTUALLY TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT ALAN SAID, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY ELWOOD THAT SOMETIMES BACKS UP, BUT ESPECIALLY GOING UP THE HILL ON MAPLE. SO YOU THINK THIS HAS A BETTER CHANCE? WHAT TRAFFIC FLOW. GOING UP THE HILL ON MAPLE AND THEN TYING IN WITH THE AUDIT. TRAFFIC LIGHT? YEAH, WE THINK IT WILL WE THINK, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT. WHEN WE FIRED UP THE SIGNALS THERE MIGHT BE SOME MINOR TWEAKS THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF MONITOR TRAFFIC, BUT THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER TRAFFIC SIGNALS. UM BUT YEAH, WE THINK THE SIGNAL IS GOING TO BE A LOT BROTHER SOLUTION THERE THAN A THREE WAY STOP LATE, AND I STILL REMEMBER TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE INITIALLY DID PUT AT THE END OF ELWOOD AND MAPLE THAT WE DID PUT IN THE
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LITTLE WHITE POST. I'M SURE FREQUENTLY NEED TO BE REPLACED. BUT UM, ESPECIALLY THE MORE SENIOR DIVERS. THEY LIKE THAT, AND I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH MR SEYMOUR SAYS. IS THAT UNFORTUNATELY THE ME BE MAYBE LIMITED INTO ACTUALLY TYING INTO THAT ONE. CORRECT YES. SO WHERE ARE THOSE WHITE? UM POSTER ACTUALLY LOCATED. WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE CURB IN TOO NARROWT IA BIG SURFACE AND ASPHALT THERE WERE GOING TO NARROW IT UP AND MAKE IT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL ROADWAY INTERSECTION. IT WON'T BE OUT OF 90 DEGREES AS AS ALAN LUNCHEONS AND THEN I ASSUME THAT THERE IS A WRITER AND ON RED AFTER STOP DOING THE SLOWER TIMES OF THE DAY. WHEN YEAH, WE DON'T. WE DON'T FORESEE THIS EMAN AND NO RIGHT TURN ON RED RESTRICTION ALREADY. THE OTHER THING THAT, UM WE ARE PROBABLY AT OUR FINAL YEAR. TWO MILLION BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER THIS COMING BEFORE PENANCE COMMITTEE WHEN MR TAYLOR AND THE, UM MR BERGER NOW IS ON HIS FOURTH YEAR, SO AND I THINK IT WAS A PIPE HERE. GOOD. THE FUNDING THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE TERMINOLOGY IS THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF INTERPRETATION. SMALL CITY PROGRAM. UM AND IT IS A WHAT IS IT? OKAY SMALL CITIES IS THE FUNDING THAT WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED. THIS IS TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES. YES THAT'S YEAH. SO WE'RE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR THESE IN THE FUTURE IS WHAT I'VE MENTAL, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE OH, THAT TOLD US EARLIER THIS YEAR BASED ON THE 2020 CENSUS, WE ARE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE FOR THE SMALL CITIES. FUNDING OKAY, BUT THIS ONE WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE. SO THAT WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE TWO EXACTLY. AND DOES THIS BRING US INTO RISK WITH THE O PWC THAT WE ANNUALLY CAN COUNT ON FOR ABOUT 550,000 OR THIS IS COMPLETELY SEPARATELY. WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT AND OH PWC PROJECT OR WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED THE OPEN WC PROJECT FROM 2024 YET SO THIS IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE. COMPLETELY SEPARATED. OKAY ALREADY, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY SINCE THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO EXPAND MONEY, TIM ASSURED ME THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FINISH THIS ONE UP TONIGHT. SO NO COUNCIL CITIZENS ANYBODY GETS OUT HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS. CLEARLY WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE OUR CLAIM? I WANTED TO KNOW, UM PARTICULARLY BECAUSE PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. I KNOW A LOT OF THESE PARTICULAR OURS AND ACROSS DO NOT HAVE SEWER. IS ACROSS 31. OKAY I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THAT SOME STUFF OUTS WILL BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME TO GIVE THESE PROPERTIES AND OPPORTUNITY TO AT SOME POINT SHOULD THEY WISH TO TAP IN. ONCE YOU DO YOUR WORK. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY TOUGH.UM AND I WOULD JUST LIKE AT LEAST THAT EXPLORED BECAUSE THAT'S THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT FOR THESE PROPERTIES AND GET THEM. I KNOW THE HEALTHY APARTMENT WOULD LOVE TO NOT HAVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS WHEN THEIR PUBLIC UTILITIES AVAILABLE, UM SO. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. I KNOW, AT LEAST FOR OUR PROPERTY. WE EITHER HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE STREET. OR THE NEXT ACCESS IS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE GRADE DOWN THE HILL AT ROUTE FOUR AND TAYLOR, WHICH IS TOO EXTREME OF IT GREAT TO MAKE IT REASONABLE. SO UM, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT THAT I WOULD I KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT, BUT THAT WOULD BE PHENOMENAL. OKAY I CAN ANSWER THAT. SO THIS IS A ROADWAY PROJECTS SO WE'RE IT'S SOMETIMES TOUGH TO MIX ROADWAY GENERAL FUNDS WITH WASTEWATER FUNDS. HOWEVER I KNOW I HAVE SPOKE WITH YOUR MOTHER ABOUT THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF YOUR I THINK IT'S 9 89 80 MAPLE STREET. SO WE CAN TALK . WE CAN THAT WHATEVER ABOUT FOR IT NOT TO HAVE UTILITIES. BIRTHDAY PLAN, RIGHT UPSET HAS NO ACCESS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. I KNOW THIS. THIS AGENDA ITEM IS FOUR TO TAP APPLICATION. OKAY YEAH. JUST REMEMBER THE FORMER OWNERS OF THOSE LOCATIONS MY PARENTS BEING 3 75 TAYLOR AVENUE VOTED NOT TO JOIN THE CITY. IT WAS IT WAS A PARIS TOWNSHIP ISLAND FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND THEY WERE ALL ON SEPTICS. YEAH YOU SAY ABOUT IT NOW NOW. WE DON'T OWN
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THAT PROPERTY ANYMORE, EITHER. A CAN YOU TAKE A LEFT AT L. WAS IS THAT GONNA BE A RIGHT FOR ALL? NO, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LEFT. OKAY ALREADY, OKAY. AND THE OTHER CITIZENS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR PROJECT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM PROBABLY 4 4.5, MAYBE FIVE MILLION BY THE TIME THAT BE DONE. UM, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 40 YEARS AND THAT PART OF MAPLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A NIGHTMARE. AND I'M GLAD THAT BE FINE. FINALLY YEAH . UH, TELL THEM CAN TAKE DEFENDANTS OVER IT. SO OKAY. WE DO NEED TO HAVE A MOTION THE BESTEST LEGISLATION, AND IT DOES REQUIRE FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR OF THE BEST PRESIDENT. MR PRESIDENT AND MAKE THE MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. OKAY LOCAL PLACE, MR BERGER? YES MR REEMS? YES MR ROUSH? YES MR BURBEY? YES MR CARPENTER? YES MR SEYMOUR. MRS GROUP? YES SEVEN. YES MOTION PASSED AND THE WHAT? OH I FORGOT TO ASK. BUT WHAT ARE THE CHANCES? IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS PRETTY GOOD CHANCE CHANCE. SAY THAT, OKAY, OKAY. I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF BECAUSE TO SEEK OUT THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT THEY SEEK OUT TO MINIMIZE OUR IMPACT IS REALLY OUTSTANDING. YOU KNOW , ACROSS THE BOARD ON A LOT OF PROJECTS. AND TO COME UP WITH THIS BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO HEAR MARK ABOUT TWO MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT NEXT YEAR IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL HERE. THAT REDUCES IT BY, YOU KNOW, ALMOST $500,000. SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PURSUING IT. YOU THINK IT'S PRETTY DECENT CHANCE? HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE OKAY, SO THAT THE FIRST THANKS, TERRY. BUT I ALSO WE WANT TO THANK OH DOT AS WELL FOR THEIR CONTINUED COMMITMENT AND SUPPORT ON THE STATE ROUTE. 31 CORRIDOR. I THINK. WHEN WE'VE ADDED ANOTHER 5 TO $6 MILLION THAT THEY'VE GRACIOUSLY DONATED, DONATED ABOUT GREEN AND PUT MONEY FOR OUR OUR IMPROVEMENTS, SO AND THEN THEY DO LIKE TO LEVERAGE MULTIPLE FUNDING APPLICATIONS INTO A LARGER PROJECT, SO WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE HOW THIS ONE TURNS OUT. OKAY THANK YOU VERY[Ord. A]
MUCH APPRECIATED, AND NOW WE GET TO THE SECTION OF THE EVENING WHERE WE DEAL WITH THE ORDINANCES AND WE HAVE ORDINANCE A, WHICH IS SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING. TO APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND PART 11 PLANNING AND ZONING CODE IN RELATION TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. THEY HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION TO PULL UP. AND I THINK ACTUALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO UPDATE COUNCIL FOR WITH THIS PRESENTATION. YEAH WE HAVE GONE THROUGH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM OUR FIRST READING. SO WE PREPARED ANOTHER PRESENTATION TO ADDRESS THOSE TOPICS THAT THAT WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHEN WE INITIALLY PRESENTED THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, SO JUST AS A QUICK REVIEW , THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING THIS BEFORE COUNCIL IS THAT WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY SOME RESIDENTS AS WELL AS WE'VE TALKED TO. SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. WE FELL INTO A CREATIVE SOLUTION TO ASSIST IN THE CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE HAVE IN MARYSVILLE AND IN COLUMBUS AS A WHOLE, UM, PROVIDES A MULTIGENERATIONAL HOUSING OPTION WITH KIND OF AGING IN PLACE, AS WELL AS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THOSE MILLENNIALS A CHANCE TO KIND OF SEPARATE FROM THEIR THEIR HOUSE WITH THEIR PARENTS. CURRENTLY 25% OF MILLENNIALS ARE LIVING LIVING AT HOME WITH THEIR PARENTS. THIS IS ALSO GROWING KIND OF IN POPULARITY NATIONWIDE . WE'VE SEEN THIS A LOT IN OHIO WITH COMMUNITIES, ADDING THIS AS A PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN THEIR ZONING CODE. UM IT'S ALSO WE SEE THIS IN MARYSVILLE CURRENTLY AND ARE UPTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND ALSO WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANT WHEN WE DID ZONING CODE REWRITE BACK WHEN I WAS APPROVED IN 2020, BUT WE KNEW WE WANTED TO KIND OF FOCUS ON THIS SEPARATELY. SO WE SET IT ASIDE FOR THE TIME BEING, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS DILIGENTLY SINCE THE SUMMER SINCE ABOUT JULY. SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES IN OHIO AND ALSO LOOKED ELSEWHERE WITHIN WITHIN THE US. THERE'S JUST SOME VIEWS OF SOME PARCELS WITHIN MARYSVILLE, WHERE WE HAVE 1 80[00:40:01]
YOU AT THE REAR WITH PARKING AT THE BACK OF THE ALLEY AND ANOTHER ONE WERE. THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE AND THEN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ALSO KIND OF AT THE REAR WITH THE MAIN ACCESS OF THE FIFTH. SOME OF THE PARTICULAR DISCUSSION TOPICS WILL RUN THROUGH THOSE. SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE TOPIC OF INCIDENTAL AND SUBORDINATE AND HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT. AND WE KNOW WE WANNA KIND OF EVALUATE THIS THROUGH. UM THESE FLOOR AREA AND WHAT THAT MAXIMUM SCORE FOOTAGE IS FOR THE 80 YOU AS WELL AS THAT STRUCTURE HEIGHT. TO ENSURE THAT IT'S KIND OF LESSER IMPORTANCE IN THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THE CURRENT TEXT AMENDMENT IS TO DO YOUR REVISION TO, UM THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT, SO CURRENTLY WITHIN THE OR WITHIN OUR DISTRICTS AND MARYSVILLE, WE OFFER MINIMUM FLOOR AREA OF 912 118 100 SQUARE FEET. UM WE WERE PROPOSING THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TO BE 950 SQUARE FEET THAT COMES IN CONFLICT WITH DISTRICTS LIKE UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL OR UPTOWN, SINGLE FAMILY THAT HAVE A MINIMUM OF FLOOR AREA OF 900 SQUARE FEET FOR THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS LARGER THAN THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD ON OUR DETACHED UNITS TO ADD 900 SQUARE FEET. OR NOT TO EXCEED THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURES SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM NEXT AMENDMENT RELATED TO THIS DEFINITION WOULD BE THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING 30 FT. WE JUST WANT TO ADD IN THERE. SO WHEN YOU HAVE AN INSTANCE WITH A RANCH SO THAT THAT STRUCTURE IF IT WERE, UM, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ON TOP OF A GARAGE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY SO THAT THE RANCH IS STILL LOOKING LIKE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN IN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. IS IT SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER? SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST ADD WITHIN THAT ATTACHED, UM OR THE HEIGHT OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, SAME WITH DETACHED SHALL NOT EXCEED 30 FT IN HEIGHT OR THE HEIGHT OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. WE FEEL THAT THIS HELPS TO ALLEVIATE ANY CONFUSION ABOUT KIND OF WHICH IS THE SUBORDINATE OR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON SITE. WE ALSO DISCUSSED PERMITTED AND CONDITIONAL. CURRENTLY WE'RE PROPOSING THIS AS A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE ACCESSORY USES, WHICH ALSO CLASSIFIES ARE SHEDS , GARAGES, HOLES PERGOLAS, UM, IT WOULD HAVE THE ADDITIONAL REVIEW THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WHICH LOOKS AT THOSE THE OVERALL DESIGN THE COLORS ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IN OTHER DESIGN STANDARDS. IF WE ARE.CHANGED THIS TO BE CONDITIONAL USE THE PROCESS WOULD BE THAT IT GOES THROUGH SMITH OF CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, WHICH THEN GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION. WE WOULD HEAR THAT APPLICATION AT THE MEETING, AND THERE ARE LISTS OF CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE ZONING CODE THAT THAT APPLICATION WOULD HAVE TO MEET, AND THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD USES TO REVIEW THOSE APPLICATIONS. AND THEY CAN'T DEVIATE FROM THAT SO OFTEN APPLICANT COMES IN ITS MEETING THOSE HANDFUL OF REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE TO APPROVE THAT APPLICATION. UM SO THEN IT BECOMES APPROVED OR DENIED AND THEN THAT APPLICANT CAN ISSUE WE CAN ISSUE A ZONING PERMIT TO THEM, SO THIS PROCESS WOULD NOT BE SEEN BY COUNSEL. IT WOULD KIND OF END AT THAT AT THAT PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL. WE ALSO DISCUSSED MOBILE HOMES. UM AND HOW HOW WOULD WE MANAGE THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WERE NOT CONSIDERED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AS WELL? ESPECIALLY DWELLING UNITS? EXCUSE ME. UM, SO THOSE WE DO HAVE DEFINITIONS WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE FOR MOBILE HOMES AND MANUFACTURED HOMES. BUT WE AGAIN WOULDN'T BE MAKING SURE THAT THE A D U IS COMPLEMENTARY TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS FAR AS ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS.
UM AND IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY OBVIOUS IF SOMEONE TRIES TO USE THEIR RV AS THEIR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. UM, WE ALSO WOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MEETING ANY OF THE UNION COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. AS FAR AS SOME KIND OF GENERAL ZONING CODE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED ANY NEW DWELLING UNIT OR A CHANGE OF USE FOR THAT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE WOULD NEED TO MEET THE NEW ZONING CODE SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO UPGRADE SAY THEY HAVE A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO UPGRADE THAT , TOO. UM, SOME SORT OF HARD SURFACE LIKE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE . THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO NEED TO MEET THAT LOCKE COVERAGE REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE ON SITE. AND THOSE WERE SOME OF THE MAIN TOPICS FROM LAST WEEK THAT WE JUST WANTED TO
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TOUCH ON AND PROVIDE THOSE RESPONSES TO YOU. OKAY? ANY QUESTIONS ON COUNCIL POLISH LEE THANK YOU, I THINK AND ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS. I HEARD THE LAST MEETING, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. DO WE NEED TO 10? DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION SINCE IT WAS ALREADY PRESENTED AT FIRST READING AND. YES I'M SORRY.PARTNERS AND WHAT NOT APPRECIATE IT. YEAH YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO MAN. THERE'S THE MEDICAL. WE HAVE REALLY HEAR SECRETARIES. SO IF WE LEAVE IT AS PERMITTED USES, AS WAS APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION , THERE WERE STILL OTHER. CHANGES BACK WAS SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE. YES YEAH MAKE IN EITHER THE EXISTING OR IN A NEW ONE. YEAH ANY BACK TO THE SLIDES. WE NEED TO ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THOSE THINK WE CAN. CAN WE JUST DO IT AS PRESENTED, SAYING, DO IT PIECEMEAL. YES. OKAY ALL RIGHT, MR PRESIDENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE ACCEPTING THIS IN TOTALITY. THE CHANGES THAT THEY HAVE SINCE MADE. I HAVEN'T MADE IT EMOTION YET. AND MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING IT. BUT IF WE ACCEPT THE CHANGES MADE THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE WE? WE MAKE ANOTHER MORE CONTROVERSIAL AMENDMENT. HMM. YEAH, YOU CAN. YOU CAN COMBINE THESE MOTION TO AMEND. OBVIOUSLY THE THAT. ONE OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT ONE, BUT NOT THE OTHER. THE OTHER TWO OR WHATEVER, BUT, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU CAN E SIX VOTES REMEMBER PLAYING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION? IT IS. I GUESS. MY HEARING FROM YOU IS THE CONDITIONAL USE ISSUE. AS ONE MOTION IF YOU'RE ASKING MY OPINION, AND I HAVEN'T YET I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT.
ALL MISS GAVE HER HAS PRESENTED ON THESE SLIDES. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I'M FINISHED WITH THE LEGISLATION TOTALLY. AND IF ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH ME, I'LL HAVE SH I AM SORRY. GO AHEAD, ALAN. I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK THROUGH THEM AND JUST SPOT CHECK CHANGES AGAIN. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BETTER. HOWEVER I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A FEW FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS. UM AND IF IT'S OKAY TO LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS COMMENTS SHE WHERE WE ARE, BECAUSE THERE IS ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SEE WHATEVER WE LEARN FROM THE FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC THAT WE WOULD TABLE IT FOR NOW. AND SEND IT BACK AGAIN ADMINISTRATION WITH THE CHILDREN TO, UM POINT AND DON'T WANT TO APPOINT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT, BUT TO MAYBE TAKE A FEW COUNCIL MEMBERS PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THEN TO BRING IT BACK AGAIN AS ONE PIECE IN EITHER FOUR OR SIX WEEKS FROM NOW. YES MA'AM. IS THERE ANY CONTROVERSY OTHER THAN I UNDERSTAND, MR SEYMOUR WANTS TO SEE THEM AGAIN. IS THERE ANY CONTROVERSY ABOUT HOW THIS HAS BEEN CLEANED UP? EIGHT NOT IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ON COUNSEL'S OPINION. SO AT THIS POINT IF I SEE ANY CONTROVERSY I'D LIKE TO LASER IN ON THE TOPIC. IF THERE IS ANY CONTROVERSY, IT'S NOT ANYTHING IN GREEN THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST 10 MINUTES. OKAY. THEN MAY I OFFER A MOTION? AND FOLKS SHOUT ME DOWN! IF THIS IS NOT THE WAY YOU WANT TO GO I WANT TO GO BACK AGAIN. OKAY WE DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. COMMENTS OKAY , COMMENTS AND THEN REVIEW AND THEN AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE CITIZENS COMMENTS AFTER WE AMEND AS WELL TOO, BECAUSE WE WERE REALLY STILL IN SECOND READING SECOND. YES. MINISTER, PASTOR THANK YOU. OKAY SO IF THAT'S OKAY, THEN I THINK, SCOTT, YOU WILL. THE FIRST ONE THAT
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CONTACTED ME WITH REQUEST TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. MM HMM. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HANK AND GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS SCOTT HUNTER. MY ADDRESS IS 4 40 DAMASCUS ROAD. I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I WAS THE SINGLE NO VOTE. ON THE PROPOSED CHANGE HERE, WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR EXPANSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 80 US IN THE VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN OUR CITY. I'D LIKE TO PUT FORTH JUST A FEW STATEMENTS JUST TO ADD CLARIFICATION TO MY VOTE. UM AND I'LL PROVIDE JUST SOME INFORMATION THAT I'VE LOOKED INTO AS WELL. SO REGARDING MY VOTE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, I HAD ASKED WHAT THE DRIVERS WERE BEHIND THE CHANGE. WAS IT AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF RESIDENTS ASKING FOR THE CHANGE? AND THEN IS THERE AN URGENT NEED FOR THIS CHANGE THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF IT, AND THE ANSWER WAS GIVEN IN LINE WITH JUST THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU WERE GIVEN BACK IN MID DECEMBER. TIMING THAT THIS IS A SOLUTION AND AGAIN TONIGHT. THIS IS A SOLUTION FOR THE HOUSING CRISIS IN A MORE EFFICIENT MEANS TO USE OUR LAND AND GIVE HOUSING OPTIONS AND THERE ARE ALSO INQUIRIES FROM RESIDENTS. I THINK WE HAVE SOME HERE TONIGHT. IN THE FIRST MEETING. WHEN THIS CAME UP, WE HEARD FROM A GENTLEMAN WHO HAD WANTED TO BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING STRUCTURE TO HELP CARE FOR HE WAS GONNA HAVE HIS SISTER LIVING BEHIND AND BEHIND HIM, AND HE'S GONNA HELP CARE FOR HER. AND THEN THE SECOND CASE WE HEARD FROM A RESIDENT WHO HAD OWNED VARIOUS PROPERTIES IN THE UPTOWN AND VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, AND THIS PERSON WAS UNDERSTANDABLY LOOKING FOR WAYS TO ADD VALUE TO THEIR PROPERTIES. AND GAIN A RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT TO DO SO. UM SO MY CONCERNS FOR THE CHANGE JUST WHERE? AS FAR AS I COULD SEE THE CHANGE BEING IMPLEMENTED REALLY WELL. UM BUT I COULD ALSO SEE IT BEING IMPLEMENTED VERY POORLY.AND I BELIEVE THAT THE CODE, UM DOESN'T DO ENOUGH TO PREVENT THE REALLY BAD CASE FROM HAPPENING.
SO ALL THIS, ALTHOUGH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOWANCES WOULD BE GEARED TOWARDS THE 1 TO 2 ADULT LIVING SPACE, UNDERSTAND THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBLE SCENARIO OF , SAY, A PARENT LIVING WITH JUST VARIOUS CHILDREN ABOVE A GARAGE IN AN UPTOWN AREA, AND IT DIDN'T INITIALLY SIT RIGHT WITH ME. AND IT REQUIRED ME TO THINK MORE ON THAT. SO I ALSO DIDN'T FEEL THAT THIS CHANGE WOULD ENSURE CONTINUITY OF CONTINUITY OF CHARACTER. I QUESTION IF THE DEVELOPMENT BEING ALLOWED BY SOME OF THE BAD CASES THAT COULD HAPPEN, COULD EVENTUALLY LEAD TO ANOTHER UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT REVITALIZATION PLAN NEEDING TO BE DEVELOPED SOME 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHERE WHERE WE HAVE TO SPEND TIME AND MONEY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT. AND JUST LASTLY, THE CONCERN WAS THAT I STATED IN MY COMMENTS THAT I THOUGHT THE CHANGE CIRCUMVENTED THE INTENT OF OUR ZONING CODE. SO WHILE THE DENSITY INCREASE LIKELY WOULDN'T BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED, THE CHANGE CONTRADICTS, IN MY VIEW THE CURRENT CODE, SO THE CLOSEST THING THAT WE HAVE THAT MAYBE RESEMBLES THIS AS A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. UM OR MAYBE DETACHED, WHICH KIND OF EXCLUSIVELY IS LIMITED TO A CONDITIONAL USE, EXCEPT IN ONE CASE, SO THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS IN THE BACKGROUND FOR MY VOTE. UM BEYOND THOSE CONCERNS, JUST SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THE OTHER CITIES AND VILLAGES THAT HAVE THIS TYPE OF USAGE. DAYTON OHIO WAS CITED ONE OF THE CITY CITED IN THE LAST MEETING. AND IN DAYTON, 80. US AREN'T PERMITTED IN ANY OF THE FIVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THEY'RE ONLY LISTED AS CONDITIONAL USES FOR EACH AND EVERY DISTRICT AND SYDNEY. UM THERE ARE PROHIBITED IN THEIR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THEY'RE PROHIBITED IN THERE TO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROHIBITED IN THEIR MULTI FAMILY THAT PROHIBITED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, SO THERE ARE TWO DISTRICTS IN SYDNEY WHICH ALLOW FOR THE 80 US AND THAT'S THEIR COURT SQUARE DISTRICT. UM WHICH I UNDERSTAND TO BE KIND OF A HIGHER END DISTRICT REQUIRES NATURAL FACADE ON ALL OF THE SIDES AND IN THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT, ONLY ONE OF THOSE ALLOWS FOR THE DETACHED 80 YOU SO AND THEN, FURTHERMORE, SYDNEY CODE IT REQUIRES A TUS REQUIRES THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER PERMANENTLY RESIDE IN EITHER THE PRINCIPAL UNIT OR THE ACCESSORY.
AND THEN IN BEXLEY YOU HAVE IN LAW SUITES, UM OR WHICH WHICH IS WHAT THEIR CODE CALLS THEM.
THERE ARE PERMITTED USE IN THREE OF THE FIVE DISTRICTS. THERE ARE CONDITIONAL USE IN ONE OF THE FIVE UM THE DETACHED 80 US. THE DETACHED IN LAW SUITES AREN'T ALLOWED IN BEXLEY. SO THE EU STRUCTURE IS REQUIRED TO MATCH THE APPEARANCE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, BUT ADDITIONALLY IN BEXLEY, IT'S REQUIRED TO MATCH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO IT KIND OF GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, FOR SURE WHAT'S PRESENTED AND THEN LIKE SYDNEY, THE CODE REQUIRES THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER MUST LIVE ON SITE. BUT THEN IT GOES EVEN FURTHER TO SAY THAT THE AU OCCUPANT MUST BE A FAMILY MEMBER OF THE RESIDENTS OWNER SO THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS IN BEXLEY, UM, THAT THAT ARE THERE . SO YELLOW SPRINGS, 80. U. S ARE LISTED AS A AS CONDITIONAL USES ONLY IN THREE OF THE THREE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND THEN ADULT OCCUPANCY IS SPECIFICALLY LIMITED TO TWO. SO IN SUMMARY TO THE FOUR LOCATIONS REQUIRE OCCUPANCY OF OWNERS THEIR CODE LIMITS OPPORTUNITIES ASSOCIATED WITH RENTAL PROPERTIES. UM IN THE PROPOSED CHANGE FOR OUR CITY , IT DOESN'T HAVE THOSE
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LIMITATIONS, OBVIOUSLY AND THEN THREE OF THE FOUR LOCATIONS CITED LIMIT SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR DETACHED UNITS AT 800 SQUARE FEET. UM DAYTON DOES LIMITED TO 900 SQUARE FEET, AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER RULES THAT KIND OF MAKE IT SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS REVIEWED TONIGHT. THE PROPOSED CHANGE FOR OUR CITY, AS PRESENTED TONIGHT WOULD MATCH THAT OF DAYTON, ONLY ONE OF THE FOUR LOCATION SYDNEY, IT LISTS THE DETACHED AS A PERMITTED USE . THAT'S THE ONLY ONE LOCATION WHERE DETACHED AS PERMITTED USE. THE PROPOSED CHANGE FOR OUR CITY ISN'T LIMITED TO IS SORT OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE FOR OUR CITY IS NOT LIMITED TO A CONDITIONAL USE . IT WOULD BE PERMITTED USE, SO THIS INFORMATION THAT THAT'S NOT MY OPINION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S JUST ME STATING WITH THE VARIOUS CODES STATE CONDITIONAL. YOU USE IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSIONS. UM MAYBE THE FIRST TIME THIS WAS DISCUSSED AND THEN BUT FOR SURE, I THINK THAT'S THE SECOND TIME THIS WAS BROUGHT UP. IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN YOUR LAST MEETING.I THINK ALAN AND SOME OF YOUR CLOSING COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, UM, HAD BROUGHT THIS UP, I THINK, RIGHTFULLY SO OTHER COMMUNITIES YOU CAN SEE ARE DOING THIS CONDITIONAL USE MANNER. A SMALL NUMBER OF MARYSVILLE RESIDENTS. THEY WANT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. I CLEARLY SEE ADVANTAGES. TO CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS TYPE. I THINK SOMETHING CAN BE DONE. UM BUT NOT IN MY OPINION IN A BROAD MANNER SO AS TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROPERTY VALUE, ALTHOUGH I KNOW IT'S 2023. WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE GOING UP AND TAXES ALONG WITH IT, BUT THEY COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT PROPERTY VALUE OF OTHER HOMEOWNERS IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE VISION STATEMENT SAYS, INCLUDES THE PHRASE I'M NOT ABBREVIATE THIS, BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO WELL PLANNED NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN MY PLANT AND IN MY OPINION. WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT COMMITMENT, BUT SOME ASPECTS OF THE CHANGE IN MY OPINION NEED REVISING. I WOULD I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR CONDITIONAL USE. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT. UM IN PLANNING COMMISSION. WHERE WERE WE ASKED THE QUESTION THAT SUCH A USE AT THE PROPOSED LOCATION WILL BE HARMONIOUS AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GENERAL OBJECTIVES OF ANY SPECIFIC OR WITH ANY SPECIFIC JET OBJECTIVE OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES THAT QUESTION WHEN WE GO THROUGH, LOOKING AT CONDITION USES. UM SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE CHANGED TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR UNDER. UM IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO CAN I RESPOND TO MR HUNTER'S COMMENTS? YES YOU CAN GO AHEAD, OK? WOULD YOU MIND TAKING OR DO YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR DO YOU WANT ME TO RESPOND TO HIS NOW? UM NO. IF YOU IF YOU WELL, YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMMENTING, BUT AS LONG AS WE CAN GET IT ON THE QUARTER. YEAH, YOU HAVE ONE OUT, SO THANK YOU, JEFF. YES SO HE MENTIONED, UM WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT DID GO THROUGH TWO HEARINGS. UM SO TWO DIFFERENT MONTHS THAT WE HEARD IT BETWEEN THE HEARINGS AND NONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS MET WITH CITY STAFF WITH ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, UH, PROPOSED USE. UM, SO WE WERE AVAILABLE FOR MEETINGS AND PROPOSE THAT TWO COMMISSION MEMBERS. NONE OF THEM HAD RESPONDED. UM. I'LL SAY THE FOR ALL THE CITIES THAT HE DISCUSSED . I'M GONNA HAVE RESPONSES TO ALL OF THEM BECAUSE I REACHED OUT TO ALL THESE CITIES AND HEAVY EMAILS FROM MARY CITY. AND SO IT GIVES A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF Y THEIR CODE STATES THAT THE WAY IT IS NOT JUST READING THE CODE. UM SO DAYTON THEY ENACTED THIS CODE 10 MONTHS AGO. UM, IT GOES THROUGH THERE. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE. THEY'VE HAD 5 80 YOU APPLICATIONS GO THROUGH.
ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITH FLYING COLORS. NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THEM. BECAUSE ALL ALONG IS THAT MEETS THE CODE . IT GETS APPROVED. THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ON THE DESIGN OF IT, OR ANY OF THAT. THOSE ITEMS WITH THE CITY OF DAYTON. UM, SO IN 10 MONTHS, THEY'VE HAD FIVE GO THROUGH THERE. THE CITY OF SYDNEY. UM AND THEY HAD JUST REDID THEIR ZONING CODE. UM, THIS WAS A TUS WERE UM, ADDED TO THIS TO BE PROACTIVE KNOWING THE COMPANY THAT PERFORMED THOSE ZONING CODE REWRITE WAS ZONE CO . UM THEY PROPOSED THEM TO ADD THIS INTO THEIR CODE AS IT WAS BECOMING MORE POPULAR NATIONWIDE . AND SINCE THEY'RE REDOING THE CODE, THEY SUGGESTED, ADDING THIS, UM, THE CITY OF SYDNEY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. STATED THAT THEY ARE THEY DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THESE, BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME IN PLACE IN THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT, SO THEY ADDED IT IN COURT SQUARE DISTRICT, WHICH IS MORE THAN DOWNTOWN AREA AND THEN THE TRADITIONAL DISTRICT. THEY HAVE PLENTY OF LAND AVAILABLE. THEY DON'T HAVE A HOUSING
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CRISIS. THEY DON'T HAVE A BIG POPULATION BOOM, UM, WITH A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT COMMENT LIKE MARYSVILLE HAS SO BUT THEY DID US AS A PROACTIVE MEASUREMENT. UM AND THEY DON'T HAVE. THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY APPLICATIONS. YET THEIR COACHES WENT IN THE, UM, ACT AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR OR IN THE MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR. SO UM, THERE'S STILL NEW TO THIS, UM, THEY'RE TREATING IT. ALSO AS MORE OF AN IN LAW SUITE BY HAVING THE OWNER LIVE IN ONE OF THE TWO, UM SO IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THEY'RE THEY'RE USING IT MORE FOR IN LAWS. UM AND THE CITY OF BEXLEY. UM THEY ARE LISTED AS AN IN LAW SUITE. THAT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, THEN LAST WEEK HAS SPECIFIC DEFINITION IN THEIR CODE, AND THEY ARE PERMITTED AND LOW DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY, INTERMEDIATE, SINGLE FAMILY AND MEDIUM SINGLE FAMILY. WHICH WOULD MEET MOST OF THE CUT THE SECTIONS OF THE DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THEM TO BE IN THE OTHER ONE THAT THEIR CONDITIONAL USES HIGH DESTINY, SINGLE FAMILY. THE ONE DISTRICT THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW IS MULTI FAMILY. WE DON'T WE'RE NOT ALLOWING IT. MULTI FAMILY, UM, IN THE IN LAW SUITE SECTION FOR BEXLEY WAS PASSED IN 2016. SO WITH THE IN LAW SUITES SINCE THEY STATE THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY HAS TO LIVE THERE, AND THEY HAVE TO BE RELATIVES THAT JUST ASSUMES THAT THE OWNER MUST LIVE ON SITE, SINCE THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE LISTED AS AS AN IN LAW SUITE, NOT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. MM YELLOW SPRINGS CONDITIONALLY USING ALL THREE OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THERE'S ONLY ADMINISTRATOR. SHE'S BEEN THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS . THEY'VE NEVER HAD ONE DENIED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A CONDITIONAL USE. UM BASED ON THAT SOME OF THE REASONS THEY THEY LIKED READINESS WAS FOR OLDER FOLKS THAT ARE ON FIXED INCOMES, SO THEY HAVE A PLACE TO AGE IN PLACE. A LOT OF THEM WITH THE RISING TAXES AND UTILITY RATES. THEY WERE GETTING FORCED OUT OF THE YELLOW SPRINGS AND WE'RE HAVING TO MOVE OTHER PLACES. SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE COUNCIL WANTED IN PLACE TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THAT SOME INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND ALLOW THEM TO SUSTAIN PLACE. UM THAT WAS ALSO SORRY. NOPE NOPE.SORRY GO AHEAD. CHAMP WANTED SOME TRANSIENT LODGING FOR SOME OF THEIR AREAS AND SOME LONG TERM RENTAL OPTIONS. THEY ALSO FOR THEIR CONDITIONAL USE. THEY REQUIRE A UTILITIES REVIEW, UH, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN OLD INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THEIR STORMS AND SEWER AND THEIR UTILITIES. SO WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED THIS, THEY HAD SOME ISSUES WHEN THEY WERE PERMITTING THEM HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH WATER LINES BEING BUSTED, AND THEY COULDN'T HANDLE THE EXTRA SERVICE AND NOW PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY WENT TO THE CONDITIONAL USES TO MAKE THEM HAVE THE UTILITY REVIEW. UM ANY UPGRADES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE PART OF THIS REVIEW. THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO MAKE THESE UPGRADES PRIOR TO AN 80 YOU BEING BUILT ON THAT SITE? UM IN THE COMMENT THAT TWO OF THE FOUR LOCATIONS REQUIRE OCCUPANCY OF THE OWNERS. UH THE ONE IS BEXLEY, WHICH IS AN IN LAW SUITE , SO THAT'S JUST GIVEN THAT IT'S THERE. THE OTHER IS DOWNTOWN FOR SYDNEY. UM. THE PROPOSED CHANGE FOR JUST STATING THAT WE'RE NOT LIMITED IN THIS. THIS WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE TO ENFORCE TRYING TO GO TO EVERY PROPERTY AND ASKING , MAKING HOW HALLOWEEN CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE RELATED OR THEIR FAMILY. UM ONE OF THE, UH, SEX. ONE OF THE CITY STATED THAT THEY CAN BE BY FAMILY THERE THERE BY MARRIAGE. OR BLOOD, SO THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS TO BE FAMILY MEMBERS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE DIRECTLY BLOOD RELATED. IT COULD BE BY MARRIAGE OR WHATEVER . SO THAT WOULD BE HARD FOR US TO TRY TO INCORPORATE. UM STATE OF THE 800 SQUARE FEET, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DAYTON. UH ORIGINALLY WE, THE STAFF HAD PROPOSED THE DETACHED AT 900 SQUARE FEET IN THE ATTACHED TO 850 SQUARE FEET. THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MAYBE THE AMENDMENT TO INCREASE THE DETACHED SIZED TO 950 SQUARE FEET. UM SO THAT IS NOW NOW WE'RE WE'VE COME TO YOU GUYS WITH THE PROPOSAL NOW TO MAKE IT THE OTHER 850 SQUARE FEET FOR ATTACHED OR 950 FOR THE DETACHED OR THE SIZE OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING, WHICHEVER IS LESS. UM SO WE DID MAKE THAT CHANGE. UM THE DETACHED ONE OF FOUR LOCATIONS IN THE LISTED 80 YEARS. UM BASICALLY IS IN LAST WEEK, SO IT'S NOT DAY TO YOU. SO IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED. UH, THE RULE TO REVIEW AND APPROVE. UM INSTEAD OF HAVING A CONDITIONAL USED AND WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSION WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. UM BUT WE DO HAVE THE DRB SET UP AND PLACE TO LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS TO MAKE SURE IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE THAT'S ON SITE IN THE AREA THAT IS
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GOING TO BE LOCATED IN UM, ALL THE CITIES THAT HAVE CONDITIONAL USES THAT I'VE TALKED TO. NONE OF THEM HAVE DENIED AN APPLICATION. YELLOW SPRINGS AS 91 IN 70 YEARS AND DATING, HASN'T DENIED ONE IN 10 MONTHS. WE'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE CITY OF HUDSON. THEY PERMIT THESE. THESE ARE PERMITTED AND A REVIEW BY ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. ONLY THEY HAVE NO DESIGN REVIEW FOR ANY OF THEM. WE LOOKED AT REACHED OUT TO THE CITY OF WESTERVILLE. THEY HAVE AN IN LAW SUITE, UH, SECTION IN THEIR CODE THAT AND THAT IS PERMITTED. THEY HAVE HAD SOME 80 US THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH, UM, KIND OF SKIRTING THEIR CODE A LITTLE BIT AS THEY DON'T HAVE US STRAIGHT 80 YOU SECTION IN THEIR CODE. THEY DO STATE THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE OR GET VARIANCES FOR SETBACKS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DON'T MEET THE IN LAW SUITE REQUIREMENTS. UM SOME OF THE PLACES WE LOOKED AT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. THEY MADE THE STATE LEGISLATION THAT ALL EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS TO ALLOW EXCEPTIONAL DWELLING UNITS, SO THAT'S THE STATEWIDE LEGISLATION . SO I MEAN, IT'S HAPPENING NATIONWIDE. UM SEATTLE? I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED EAST AND WEST COAST WITH FOUND DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HAD THIS. THERE'S TONS OF RESEARCH OUT THERE THAT TONS OF ARTICLES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, LOOKING AT THEIR STANDARDS AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. UM YES.AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME 80 USERS CURRENTLY IN THE CITY. UM SO THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WANTED TO GET THIS IN THERE. SO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN FORCE SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP CONTROL THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT. AND I WAS ALSO CONTACTED BY SOME FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS. SO AT THIS POINT , UM, WHO'S. OKAY. OKAY? MM HMM.
MY NAME IS KATHY YOUNG. I LIVE AT 4 25 WEST EIGHTH STREET. THAT'S ALSO IN THE FOURTH BOARD.
I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN BACK BY DONALD'S COMMENTS THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE I STARTED THIS CONVERSATION IN DECEMBER OF 2019 AND NEVER GOT AN INDICATION HOW PASSIONATE HE WAS AGAINST THIS.
THAT SUMMER. I WAS LOOKING INTO THIS AND I WENT TO ASHLEY BECAUSE I WAS SO CONFUSED ON THE CODE IS LIKE IN MY SUPPOSED TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND I SUPPOSED TO GO TO SIGN REVIEW.
DO I NEED TO GO TO THE B? C? A ONE OF MY DOING? WHAT DO I NEED TO TALK? I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO. SO I CONTACT ASHLEY BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER IS LIVING IN A HOUSE, WHICH IS ON THE FRONT OF THAT SEVEN. 13 WEST EIGHTH STREET. AND YOU'LL SEE THE RED THING. THAT WAS A GARAGE THAT I HAD PURCHASED WITH THE HOUSE. THAT AN OWNER OCCUPIED PERSON LIVED IN WHEN I PURCHASED IT. I REHAB THE HOUSE. YES YOU CAN TELL IT DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE GARAGE. THE HOUSE USED TO LOOK LIKE THE GARAGE. AND I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TRYING TO REHAB THIS HOUSE . BY THE TIME I WAS DONE WITH THE HOUSE, AND THIS IS RIGHT AFTER THE 2008 CRISIS, I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT ANY MORE MONEY INTO THE GARAGE BECAUSE I WAS ALREADY AT FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR WHAT I COULD GET FOR THE HOUSE IF I HAD TO SELL IT. MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN LIVING THERE AND SHE CAN BASICALLY USE THIS. GARAGE. TO STORE HER MO ER. AND SOME STORAGE OF CHRISTMAS TREES OR WHATEVER, THOUGH SHE USES MY CHRISTMAS TREE INSTEAD. UM AND I WOULD LOVE TO REPLACE THIS.
BUILDING. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT IF I GET NO RETURN ON MY INVESTMENT. WHY WOULD I SPEND $50,000? TO PUT UP A GARAGE. TO STORE A MOWER. I'M NOT GONNA DO IT. SO. YOU CAN SEE BY THE PLAT MAP. THE GARAGE IS PRETTY MUCH IN THE CENTER OF THE LOT. THERE'S AN ALLEY OFF THE BACK.
THERE'S WEST STATE STREET ON THE FRONT. AND THE REST OF THE BACKYARD. I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M PAYING STORMWATER. BECAUSE I HAVE A RETENTION POND IN MY BACKYARD THAT MY DAUGHTER AND HER BOYFRIEND ACTUALLY PARK ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEY CAN'T USE THAT DRIVEWAY WHEN IT RAINS.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD A GARAGE SLASH 80 YOU OFF THE ALLEY? PLENTY OF PARKING BACK THERE. SO I CAN. ONE PROVIDE MY DAUGHTER WITH A GARAGE. HAVEN'T WAY TO PAY FOR IT. AND IT'S
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GOING TO LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT YOU SEE ON THAT FRONT PAGE . THAT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT. TO ME, BUT IT SERVES A PURPOSE. SO WHY WOULD I GET RID OF IT? MHM? SO I COME THROUGH SOME PLANS AND I PUT TWO ON THERE. THERE'S A SINGLE STORY AND THERE'S A DELI STORY BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE WHAT I'M ALLOWED TO DO YET. NO. THIS TWO STORY IS 22 SQUARE FEET MAXIMUM IN HEIGHT. NOW WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, THERE'S A DUPLEX. JUST A FEW DOORS DOWN AROUND THE CORNER ON GROVE STREET. THERE'S MULTI FAMILIES. THERE'S MULTI FAMILIES ON LYNDON . I MYSELF LIVE AT 4 25, WEST STATE STREET, ANY MULTI FAMILY. NO IN ADDITION, RECENTLY MARKETED WHAT YOU WOULD CALL AN 80 YOU IT WAS LOCATED OUT BY HONDA IS NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS. IT'S ROUGHLY 400 SQUARE FEET. IT INCLUDES A KITCHENETTE, A FULL BATHROOM, A LIVING SPACE. A BEDROOM AREA HAS ITS OWN INGRESS, AND I MARKET IT FOR $700 A MONTH. ON FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE JUST RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS. I HAD 7600. CLICKS ON THIS ONE PROPERTY. HMM I HAD 84 . PEOPLE SAVE SAVE THE LISTING 44 PEOPLE SHARED THE LISTING. IN MY INBOX WAS FOR JUST THIS ONE LISTING BECAUSE I HAD FOUR OTHERS ON THE MARKET AT THE SAME TIME, 96 DIRECT MESSAGES AND I HEARD THE SAME STORY OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I JUST GOT HIRED ON HONDA. THEY'RE PAYING MY SECURITY DEPOSIT. THEY'RE PAYING SIX MONTHS WORTH OF RENT. THEY'RE PAYING MOVING COSTS. I NEED A PLACE TO LIVE BECAUSE I START NEXT WEEK. NOT ONLY WOULD THIS TYPE OF HOUSING BE GOOD FOR THESE HONDA ASSOCIATES, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SENIOR CITIZENS LIVING ON A FIXED INCOME? WITH LITTLE TO NO PENSION. FOSTER KIDS AGING OUT OF THE SYSTEM. WHAT ABOUT THAT DIVORCED FATHER? THAT HAS TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT. AND HE HAS TO PAY MORE IN CHILD SUPPORT THAN HE BRINGS HOME EVERY WEEK. THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR HIM TO LIVE. I SPOKE TO JUDGE ROGERS YESTERDAY APPROPRIATE JUVENILE JUDGE AND HE INFORMED ME THAT THERE'S A HUGE NEED BECAUSE THE GUARDIANSHIP WENT UP. OVER 100% IN ONE YEAR. HE TOLD ME I COULD QUOTE BECAUSE HE WASN'T COMING TO SPEAK BECAUSE HE WASN'T SURE IF HE WAS ALLOWED TO HMM. SO IF YOU LIKE THE DILAPIDATED GARAGE VOTE. NO WHAT IF YOU WANT ME TO HAVE A PLACE.TO LIVE. WHEN I'M OLD. MAYBE I'M ALREADY THERE. AND MAKE MY DAUGHTER FEEL OBLIGATED TO TAKE CARE OF ME INSTEAD OF PERSON PUTTING ME IN A ASSISTED LIVING OR A NURSING FACILITY ENCOURAGE YOU TO ABOUT YES, FOR THE A. D. U. S. THANKS. THANK YOU. MATT SMITH. I LOVE THAT 21350 WESTLAKE LEE ROAD. I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THIS LEGISLATION AS PERMITTED USE RATHER THAN A CONDITIONAL USE. I'M NOT SURE WHY WE NEED ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF BUREAUCRACY IN ORDER TO DEVELOP PROPERTY THAT STILL HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS. PLANS ARE REVIEWED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. UM SO I WOULD NOT , YOU KNOW, ADD AN ADDITIONAL WEAR OF APPROVALS REQUIRED FROM THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE IN ORDER TO BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. BUT I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL ABOUT THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S RATHER NEW. LOTS OF CITIES ARE STARTING TO TACKLE THIS. BUT HOW MANY ARE IN EXISTENCE OF PROPERTIES THAT WOULD MEET THE CLASSIFICATION OF ANNA DO ALREADY EXIST IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. DOES ANYONE KNOW? WASN'T IT STATED THERE WAS LIKE LESS THAN 20. LAST MEETING THAN 20. YEAH. CLOSE TO 2/10. 15 20 HOW MANY. YEAH HOW MANY ARE IDENTIFIED AS BEING WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ANY OF YOU? WE THINK AROUND THERE THERE MIGHT BE AROUND 20 WITHIN THE CITY BECAUSE YOU PUT UP A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. YEP NEXT TO DAVE'S PHARMACY. UM SO I KNOW THERE
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WERE SOME COMMENTS CONCERNING PARKING YOU KNOW ISSUES WITH PARKING. UM YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE CODE IS GOING TO REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL PARKING SKILLS. UM SO WITH THE CURRENT ONES THAT ARE THAT WOULD FIT THE DEFINITION OF AN 80 YOU HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE ISSUES WITH PARKING? AFTER AGAIN. OKAY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE TO THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ANY OF THEM FALLING INTO INTO DISREPAIR RELATIVE TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, OR BOTH THE EU AND THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE FALLING INTO DISREPAIR. THIS. HMM. CONSTRUCTION OKAY, SO IT DOESN'T CREATE A NEW ISSUE. WITH REGARD TO MAINTENANCE. AND I HEARD MR HUNTER SAY THAT IT WOULD DEVALUE THE PROPERTY. UM, YOU KNOW IF A PROPERTY HAS RENTAL INCOME COMING IN, ACTUALLY MAKES THE HOUSE WITH THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE MORE AFFORDABLE. UM BECAUSE THE INCOME CAN BE COUNTED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A TWO FAMILY DWELLING UNDER THE FANNIE MAE.FREDDIE MAC, IF H A V. A LOAN GUIDELINES WOULD REQUIRE GREATER DOWN PAYMENT, BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT WOULD MAKE THOSE UNITS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY MORE AFFORDABLE. FOR FOLKS GETTING STARTED WHO WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE SOME RENTAL INCOME? AND YOU KNOW MY HEAD OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT AND I THINK THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED BY THE COMMENTS ABOUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TELL WHETHER SOMEONE'S RELATED HOW WILL YOU KNOW? HOW WILL YOU EVER POLICE THAT CAN? IS IT PERMISSIBLE FOR YOU TO BE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS? WOULD YOU LIKE PEOPLE TO COME TO YOUR DOOR AND ASK YOU THOSE QUESTIONS YOURSELF? UM SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY KIND OF AN INITIATIVE REQUIREMENT. TO BE ASKING PEOPLE THEIR FAMILIAL STATUS REGARD TO HOUSING. UM THE OTHER ISSUES WOULD BE, UM, IT'S C. LIKE DOES THE EU ITSELF BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE CODE OR THE SECTION THAT I REVIEWED? THAT WAS ATTACHED THE LAST MINUTES. UM BUT DOES THE PRINCIPLE DOES THE AUXILIARY STRUCTURE HAVE TO HAVE ITS I KNOW IT HAS TO HAVE ITS OWN EGRESS. BUT DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE ITS OWN KITCHEN DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE ITS OWN BATH FACILITIES? OR CAN YOU USE THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE? AND THEN WHAT SEPARATES THAT FROM? YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD THERE? NO IT HAS TO HAVE A KITCHENETTE. IT HAS TO HAVE, UH, RESTROOM FACILITY. IT'S IN. IT'S IN THE CODE UNIT. YEAH SO YOU KNOW, IF IT HAS TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE, CAN IT HAVE ACCESS TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE OF ATTACK? LIKE A SWEET DOOR. OKAY SO WOULD THAT JUST BE A MOTHER IN LAW SUITE WITH KITCHENETTE AND BATH? YEAH MAYBE YOU MOTHER LAST WEEK COULD BE AN 80 YOU BUT NOT ALL AIDS OUR MOTHER IN LAW SUITES. AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT ABOUT TWO WAS THAT YOU KNOW, WITH OUR FIRM DOES THE LAW FIRM I WORK FOR? DOES LOT OF ESTATE PLANNING AND ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS WE ALWAYS GET AS MEDICAID SO FOLKS ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE ASSETS WITHIN THE FAMILY. SO THIS GOES TOWARDS THE IDEA THAT YOU KNOW IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO BUILD IN 80 YOU EVEN A DETACHED A DO AND THEN RENT THAT FOR FAIR MARKET RENT TO A FAMILY MEMBER WHO IS GOING TO RESIGN THERE. IF THEY'RE GOING ONTO MEDICAID. THAT'S NOT A LONG TERM SOLUTIONS. SO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME SORT OF RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PARTIES IN ORDER TO BE A RENTED IS GONNA BE JUST REALLY PROHIBIT THIS FROM EVER TAKING PLACE. UM SO IT WOULD BE KIND OF A NEW ADDITION TO THE CODE THAT NO ONE REALLY, UH, WOULD USE FOR THAT PURPOSE IF YOU AND ANY BUYER COMING ALONG. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT'S PROPOSED. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A FAMILY MEMBER. I JUST HEARD THAT ANOTHER COMMENTS AND. I KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF THE LEGISLATION. BUT IF YOU'RE VOTING, NO. AND FOR THAT REASON I REQUEST THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ENOUGH FOR THAT REASON. THANK YOU MAD. HEY, ANYBODY ELSE? KATIE? IS KATIE CRANKO 16 72 MEADOWLARK. I AM AGAINST MAKING IT A CONDITIONAL USE AND THE REASON BEING THINK ABOUT YOUR END USER WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THIS? IT'S YOUR EVERYDAY CITIZENS. THESE ARE NOT DEVELOPERS. THESE ARE YOUR FOLKS IN MORE FOR THAT ALREADY DON'T
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KNOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ASK WHEN THEY CHANGE THEIR WINDOWS. OR THEY'RE CITING COLOR OR DO THEIR ROOF THEY ALREADY DON'T KNOW. UM ADDING ANOTHER LAYER. WHEN IT'S SHOWN THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES. NOTHING HAS BEEN DENIED. SO WHY ADD THE LAYER? WHY HAD THE EXTRA MEETING WHEN THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WE KNOW IS GOING TO LET'S BE HONEST. RAKE HIM OVER THE COALS. IT REALLY WILL. WE ALL KNOW IT, SO I'M OPPOSED TO THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE IT. EASIER FOR THESE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE LAYING OUT PROBABLY $200,000 TO DO THIS. THIS IS NO SMALL INVESTMENT. I SPOKE WITH BILL LAWRENSON AT LENGTH THIS WEEKEND . HE GAVE ME PERMISSION TO EXPRESS HIS FEELINGS. HE LIVES IN WORD FOR HE LIVES IN THIS OLD AREA. HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH THESE, BUT HE SAYS, IT'S GOOD LUCK. THEY'RE GOING TO BE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A HUGE OUTLAY. UM AND PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A RETURN ON HIM, SO I KNOW AS FAR AS RUNNING THEM OUT, UM I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS. I KNOW. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE SENIORS AND CATHY MENTIONED FOSTER CARE AGING OUT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THE INCREASE IN SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND HAVING TO STAY HOME. UM THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT OPTION FOR MY BROTHER. UM YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WANT TO BE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE. WHAT'S THE NEED FOR THESE? UH LET'S LOOK AT DEMOGRAPHICS. YOU KNOW, THE UNITED STATES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER WILL HAVE MORE PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 65 THAN CHILDREN. IN 2030. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE AND COSTS ARE GOING UP SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY B. PROACTIVE THIS LEGISLATION IS A START. UM IT'S GONNA THE AMOUNT OF THESE GOING UP. I MEAN , ANOTHER CITY MINNETONKA HAS PERMITTED THE SINCE THE EIGHTIES . THEY HAVE 53,000 PEOPLE HAVE PERMITTED 61 40 YEARS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THIS BOON. YOU KNOW, UM SO I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE WILLING TO SPEND $200,000 TO INCREASE THEIR PROPERTY VALUE, NOT HINDER THEM, AND I THINK, MAKING IT A CONDITIONAL USE. AGAIN. THINK ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THIS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER, NOT HARDER. EITHER YOU'RE ON BORDERS. YOU'RE NOT IN MY OPINION. THANKS, KATIE. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS. TONO ECHO A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID ALREADY TONIGHT AND ALSO ADD A FEW NEW POINTS.UM WHEN I LOOKED AT THE CITY'S MASTER PLAN ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WHEN I WAS ADVOCATING FOR THE IMPACT STATION AT THE YMCA, I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF THE PLAN IS INCREASE OF AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING, PARTICULARLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PARTICULARLY, UH, VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE SOLUTION TO THE LACK OF AVAILABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MARYSVILLE AND UNION COUNTY, BUT I THINK IT'S A SOLUTION. I THINK IT'S A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE DURING THE WEEK BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S , MY OFFICE CALLED AROUND. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE BOOKLETS. JOB AND FAMILY SERVICES SENIOR SERVICES GIVE OUT FOR SENIOR CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE LISTINGS OF ALL THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, NURSING FACILITIES, MEMORY CARE FACILITIES AND APARTMENT FACILITIES THAT ARE CONSIDERED SENIOR HOUSING SENIOR FRIENDLY. WE CALLED ALL OF THEM NOW.
ADMITTEDLY WE COULDN'T GET AHOLD OF OFFICE STAFF AT ALL OF THEM. BUT THOSE THAT WE DID REACH ALL BUT TWO OF THEM WERE FULL. THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. WE REACHED OUT TO THEM, ALL OF THEM THAT WE REACHED OUT AND GOT A PERSON ON THE PHONE, OR AT LEAST GOT AN ANSWERING MESSAGE WITH SOME INFORMATION HAD WAITING LISTS. THE RESIDENCE IS THAT MAPLE GLEN AND AFFORDABLE SENIOR LIVING COMPLEX HERE AH, OFF OF PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY, AND I THINK IT'S WHAT IS IT WALNUT STREET? AH THAT I HELPED GET ONLINE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I'M PROUD OF THAT, UH, THAT HAS A SIX MONTH WAITING LIST FOR SENIORS. SO UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CATERING TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE THIS COMMUNITY GREAT AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN STAY IN THIS COMMUNITY WHEN THEY REACH A POINT WHERE PERHAPS IT'S NOT SAFE FOR THEM TO BE IN THEIR HOMES ALONE ARE NOT SAFE TO BE ON THEIR PROPERTIES. ALONE AND UNATTENDED. I THINK THIS OFFERS A CREATIVE SOLUTION. I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FORGOT TO TELL YOU THAT I LIVE AT 6 29 WEST SEVENTH STREET BETWEEN LYNDON AND BUCKEYE IN THE FOURTH WARD, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WOULD WELCOME A TUS AND ANY OF THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO MINE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MINE. I LIVE ON AN ALLEY. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE FEW NEIGHBORHOODS IN MARYSVILLE THAT ACTUALLY HAS UH,
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PAVED ALLEY BETWEEN THE STREETS BETWEEN 7TH AND 8TH STREET. I THINK THESE WOULD FIT VERY WELL WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOMES, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE A GARAGE OR CARRIAGE HOUSE. UM I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD SUBJECTS PEOPLE TO RIGOROUS STANDARD. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAD TO GO TO TWO MEETINGS JUST TO REPLACE THE ROOF ON MY OFFICE. AND I'M STILL A LITTLE BITTER ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT, UM, THE COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHICH CERTIFIES BUILDINGS FOR OCCUPANCY. DOES ANYONE REALLY WANT TO STAND HERE AND SAY THAT THEY'RE PUSHOVERS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT OF HIGH QUALITY. THAT'S GARBAGE. THERE ARE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS AN EXCELLENT BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THEY MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENCES ARE SAFE AND READY FOR OCCUPANCY BEFORE AH, BEFORE THEY'RE APPROVED. UM I HAVE PERSONALLY LIVED NEXT TO A TUS. I'VE LIVED IN NEIGHBORHOODS HERE IN MARYSVILLE AND ALSO, UH, IN COLUMBUS. SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW MARION VILLAGE. IT'S THE POOR STEP CHILD OF GERMAN VILLAGE IF YOU TAKE A WALK THROUGH MARION VILLAGE IN GERMAN VILLAGE, YOU'LL FIND CARRIAGE HOUSES AND STRUCTURES THAT I BELIEVE FIT THE DEFINITION OF A D. U. S.EVERYWHERE AND I THINK THEY ADD TO THE VIBRANCY AND THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY ADD TO THE PARKING PROBLEM. BUT I'LL TELL YOU IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK IF MY WIFE WAS HERE, SHE'D AGREE WITH THIS. THAT THE MORE SETS OF EYES WE HAVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SAFER WE FEEL , BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE TELLING US IF WE FORGOT TO CLOSE OUR GARAGE DOOR OR IF THERE'S SOME WEIRDO SNOOPING AROUND AND LOOKING IN YARDS AND IN GARAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WOULD URGE YOU TO PASS THIS LEGISLATION WITH THE AMENDMENTS IN GREEN. I WOULD STRONGLY URGE YOU TO REJECT THE IDEA OF TURNING THIS FROM A PERMITTED USE INTO A CONDITIONAL USE. UM I'M AN ATTORNEY. I FIND IT HARD ENOUGH TO NAVIGATE THIS STUFF WITH MY LAW DEGREE. LET'S LET'S NOT MAKE THIS CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY. NAVIGATE AN EXTRA BOARD OR COMMISSION MEETING. THEN THEY HAVE TO. I THINK WE CAN TRUST THE STAFF AND THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TO DETERMINE WHAT'S QUALITY AND WHAT'S NOT. SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TONY. ANY ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO WITH HER STATUS ISSUE. OKAY? WE'LL PUT IT BACK TO COUNCIL. OKAY SO WE'VE PUT TWO DIFFERENT SIDES OF IT. OKAY UM, WE'VE HEARD A PRESENTATION FROM ASHLEY WITH REGARDS TO POTENTIAL CHANGES TO COMMENTS FROM SCOTT SAYING THAT HE MAY NEED TO TIGHTEN THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. YEAH I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMPLETE OVERHAUL, BUT JUST SOME THINGS THAT AS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER WOULD CONCERN YOU AT THIS POINT, AND WE PUT FROM PEOPLE THAT I PAID MONEY USED TOWARDS INDUSTRY. BUT YOU'RE IN THE INDUSTRY. YOU HAVE A CERTAIN VIEW. YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE PULSE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD UTILIZE THIS SO AT THIS POINT. AND PROBABLY GOING TO SINCE I INTERRUPTED YOU ONE TIME YOU I WOULD. I WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW ALAN TO GO FIRST. IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE AT THIS POINT TO REVIEW THE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE UP FOR AMENDMENT IS THIS THE FIRST ONE? YES OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION FOR CHANGE WOULD BE A TEXT REVISION TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT MINIMUM FOR AREA SO THAT WOULD BE AT THE BOTTOM HERE, PARTICULARLY FOR ONLY THE DETACHED STRUCTURE. WE WOULD ADD THE TERMINOLOGY OF 950 SQUARE FEET OR NOT TO EXCEED THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE FLOOR AREA, WHICHEVER IS LESS. THE SECOND TEXT AMENDMENT. WHAT WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THE TEXT UNDER THE HEIGHT, SO FOR THE ATTACHED SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE TYPOLOGY CHART OF THE CORRESPONDING ZONING DISTRICT OR THE HEIGHT OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, WHICHEVER IS LESS. AND THEN FOR DETACHED SHALL NOT EXCEED 30 FT . IN HEIGHT OR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, WHICHEVER IS LESS SO THOSE TWO AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL ONE HERE FOR THE DETACHED FLOOR AREA. ARE YOU GONNA WANNA VOICE VOICE VOTE
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VOTE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE? BUT I THINK WE COULD WE COULD DO A ROLL CALL ON THE TAX CHANGES ON THE SUBURB SUBORDINATE INCIDENTAL. AH PROPOSALS AS THEY RELATE TO THE HEIGHT AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED. I THINK WE CAN HANDLE THOSE TOGETHER AS ONE. OKAY READY, SO THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD FIRST MAKE OUTGOING MOTION THE MOTION TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION TO INCLUDE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IN THE SUBORDINATE INCIDENTAL SECTION AS RELATED TO SIZE AND HEIGHT. OKAY AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE LOCAL POLICE. MR REEMS? YES ROUSH? YES WE YES, CARPENTER. YES MR SEYMOUR BROKE. MR BERGER . YES SEVEN. YES OKAY, SO THE PUSH POINT IS DONE. YOU WERE DOING SO WELL, YOU WANT TO TELL YOU TACKLE THE NEXT ONE. THE NEXT ONE. WE HAD JUST STARTED TO GO THROUGH THE DISCUSSION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE, SO OKAY? OKAY WITH REGARD TO PERMITTED VERSUS CONDITIONAL. I BELIEVE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, ETCETERA SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEIR VIEWPOINTS TO BE HEARD. AND BY THIS GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. TO BE HEARD, AND MAYBE POINT OUT SOME ITEMS THAT OTHERS HAD MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT. THAT WOULD BE MY , UH, MY REASON FOR BELIEVING IT SHOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE THAT WOULD TAKE IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND FOR OTHERS TO MAKE COMMENT ON AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT I DID HAVE MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION WHO DO LIVE IN MY WARD, WHO ALSO SAID THAT SAME THING THAT THEY DID BRING THEM UP IN MEETINGS THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW IN CITY CODE, ONLY ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE NOTIFIED WHEN DEVELOPMENTS AND THEY THINK THAT NOW IT'S TIME AS A CITY. THAT WE START NOTIFYING, NOTIFYING MORE RESIDENTS THAN JUST ADJACENT PROPERTIES BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT MORE THAN JUST THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. SO I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ALAN ON THAT ON THAT STATEMENT, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM RESIDENTS IN MY WARD. OKAY SO I HAD A QUESTION NOW, IF IT'S DESIGNED IF IT'S REVIEWED BY DESIGN REVIEW ORDER THAT OFFER THE RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. WELL, IT WOULD UM. EITHER. ONE IS A. IS A BOARD APPOINTED SO I THINK THAT THE NET RESULT BE THE SAME. I IMAGINE IT WOULD. I WAS THINKING IN TERMS OF PLANNING COMMISSION IN PARTICULAR IN NOT GOING TO DESIGN REVIEW ALLOWING ADMINISTRATION TO OVERSEE WHAT WOULD THE. I GUESS MY POINT IS, IF WE REQUIRED TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION IT WOULD STILL THEN GO TO DESIGN REVIEW IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO UNLESS THE LEGISLATION SAYS THAT WHAT WOULD WE ELIMINATE THE DESIGN REVIEW? OKAY, WORK. DISCRETIONARY TO STAFF. REVIEW OTHER. AFTER THE WATER THAT PROJECT OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE THAT OPTION EXACTLY ABORTED. WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS IT, I THOUGHT IS DESIGN REVIEW BOARD DEALS WITH DESIGN ISSUES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT LARGE PROJECTS BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING IT CAN'T BE A LARGE PROJECT. IT'S GONNA BE SMALL, JUST JUST TO CLARIFY AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UM I DON'T WANT DESIGNER VIEW TO BE OVER NIT PICKY ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING. I MEAN, IT WILL BE GOOD IT NEEDS TO MATCH THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOO COMPLICATED. ST DEFINITELY NOT BOTH STEPS. THE BURDEN OF THE BUREAUCRACY IS TOO MUCH. I AND I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK WHEN IT GOES TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, THE STATEMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE MOST OF THE TIME THAT IT IS GOING TO BE BUILT. AND I THINK THAT THE PERSON I SPOKE TO WHO SERVES ON PLANNING COMMISSION THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS HIS CONCERN THAT IN THE HISTORY OF DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, NOTHING'S REALLY EVER BEEN TURNED DOWN AND THE WAY THE COMMUNICATION IS NOW GIVEN TO RESIDENTS, THE COMMUNICATION TO[01:35:01]
RESIDENTS NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED ON. SO THAT'S WHY MOVING IT BACK TO UH UM. PLANNING COMMISSION.GIVES THAT ABILITY TO HAVE MORE OF AN OPEN DISCUSSION, NOT JUST ABOUT THE DESIGN, BUT JUST THE UNIT ITSELF AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION DESIGN REVIEW IS DESIGN REVIEW.
EXCEPT FOR DENIES. THE CHARACTER. IT DOESN'T OR PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD SAY YEA OR NAY TO THE 80 YOU RIGHT TO THE OTHER. I GUESS I'VE SEEN DECISIONS FROM. FROM DESIGN REVIEW WHERE THEY'VE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE IT BETTER FIT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT BUSINESSES THAT YOU KNOW, CAME TO DESIGN REVIEW, AND THEY WORKED WITH THEM TO MAKE THAT BUSINESS. BETTER FIT THAT LOCATION. UM, BUT IS IT IS IT ASSUMES THAT THAT THE PROJECT IS ALREADY AGO? RIGHT I MEAN, YEAH, PROJECTS NOT NECESSARILY AGO WHEN IT WHEN IT GETS TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, IT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS AND THEN ALSO GET THE APPROVAL FROM DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. SO IT'S STILL PROPOSED WHEN IT GETS THERE. YOU KNOW IF THEY CAN AGREE UPON THAT THAT DESIGN OF THAT, UM, STATE PLAN OR THE BUILDING OR MAKE SURE IT MEETS KIND OF PRELIMINARY, SO CIVIL ENGINEERING. YOU KNOW THEY COULD GET THAT APPROVAL, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THOSE APPLICANTS AND THE BOARD MEMBERS TO BUT IT WOULDN'T GO TO DESIGN REVIEW UNLESS IT IT MET THE SETBACK RIGHT HERE. CORRECT.
THAT IS CORRECT. ADDITIONALLY THAT THE DESIGNER VIEW APPROVAL AS PART OF THE ZONING PERMIT THEY'LL NEED WHEN THEY GO TO THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY WON'T ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT WITHOUT ZONING APPROVAL. IT'S KIND OF CHECKS AND BALANCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO AGENCIES. UM AND COUNCILMAN BURGER IF WE CAN GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT NOTIFICATION WE DO SEND OUT LEGAL NOTICES TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS BY MAIL . WE ALSO HAVE YARD SIGNS. THEY HAVE A PHONE NUMBER. YOU CAN TEXT DRB P. C B. C A TO THAT NUMBER WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT MEETING AGENDA ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC PROPERTY, ANYBODY THAT COMES IN TO CITY HALL TO PAY THEIR UTILITY BILLS YOU'LL SEE ON THE TVS BEHIND THE COUNTER. UM THERE'S ENOUGH CUTTING UPCOMING MEETING. AND INFORMATION ON WHERE TO FIND THAT APPLICATION PACKAGE TO SEE WHAT'S ON THAT AGENDA. SO UM, UNDERSTAND WE MIGHT NOT DO EVERYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE TO DO TO NOTIFY EVERYONE THAT THERE'S A MEETING. BUT WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO TRY TO GET THE WORD OUT TO MORE THAN JUST THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. I WOULD AGREE, AND I WAS VERY, UM IT WAS VERY GRATEFUL FOR CITY STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THOSE SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, AND DURING MY TIME IN OFFICE, UM, BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU KNOW THOSE SIGNS ARE A GREAT TOOL. BUT GIVING SOMEBODY A HAND IN MALE OR UM, COULD GO A LONG WAY SINCE WE HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. NOW IT WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR HER TO SEND SOMETHING OUT. UM AND YOU KNOW, AND IF CITY STAFF COULD WORK WITH COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR COMMITTEE COMMISSION'S DIRECTOR COULD MAIL SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR ANYBODY IN THAT POSITION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. TYPICALLY THAT'S OUR ENGINEERING CLERK THAT HELPS US IS WITH ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND SHE MANAGES ALL THOSE LETTERS AND GETTING THOSE LEGAL NOTICES OUT ALL THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. OKAY, SO I I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY I THOUGHT YOU I THOUGHT WE WOULD GET TO THAT POINT RIGHT NOW. YES THERE. YEAH I THINK I THINK TODAY IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY YOU MIGHT LOOK AT IT BOTH WAYS. MY MOTION WILL BE, THOUGH. THAT WE CHANGED THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USE TO CONDITIONAL USE, UM WITH THE APPROVAL PROCESS GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY? AND THAT COULD BE THE FINAL VOTES OR COULD STILL SEND IT ON TO DESIGN REVIEW. NO I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEND IT ON THE DESIGN REVIEW AT ALL. IT WAS IT WOULD REVIEW WOULD BE CITY ADMINISTRATION THAT THAT WOULD BE OKAY ALREADY. AS HE USED. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THAT GOOD WORK FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. TO HAVE IT GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEN UH, TECHNICALLY, THE ADMINISTRATION MAKING THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT SENDING IT TO THE DESIGN REVIEW.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE UNDER OUR NEW CODE. WE HAD NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT WOULD GO TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AUTOMATICALLY. AND SO ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS IS
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VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL, SO WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE INTO THAT SECTION AS WELL TO MODIFY IT THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WOULD NOT GO. TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, THEY WOULD ONLY GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION. SO YES. OKAY SO COULD COULD WE HAVE THAT IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, SINCE THE MOTION IS TO KEEP THIS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONLY AND NOT AUTOMATICALLY PLANNING COMMISSION DESIGN REVIEW COULD BE HAD THAT LANGUAGE. UM THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING BY THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY SO I THINK WE SHOULD TROUBLE WOULD BE CHANGED THE AMENDMENT. WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND. THE MAJORITY INTEREST HERE IS THE MAJORITY WANT DESIGN REVIEW ONLY. OR DOES THE MAJORITY WANT PLANNING COMMISSION? ONLY I'M OKAY WITH YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THIS IRON REVIEWS. YEAH OKAY. IN THIS SITUATION WE'RE TRYING TO GET COMFORTABLE WHETHER. DOESN'T GO TO PLANT PLANNING COMMISSION OR DOES IT GO TO DESIGN REVIEW? ONE OR THE OTHER. I GUESS LIKE, YEAH , THERE'S NO POINT IN SPENDING ALL THAT TIME COMING UP WITH NEW LANGUAGE. IF IT'S NOT GONNA RIGHT THROUGH, AND I'M BUYING WITH IT GOING THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW. WE'VE ALREADY GOT A PROCESS TO HANDLE THE REVIEW OF THESE TYPES OF DESIGN ISSUES. I DON'T THINK. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO COMPLICATED AND CREATE A NEW PROCESS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND CHANGE OUR RULES FOR DESIGN REVIEW THAT NORMALLY WOULD HANDLE THIS TO SAY. WELL OKAY.IN THESE CASES, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THERE LIKE THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION IS LET THE GROUP THAT ALREADY REVIEWS THESE KINDS OF THINGS CONTINUE TO REVIEW THEM. SO THAT THAT'S MY THOUGHT. I AGREE WITH MARK. I KNOW IT'S MUDDY. IT'S JUST THAT IT'S GOING TO DESIGN REVIEW. IT'S ALREADY ASSUMED THAT IT'S ALREADY YOU NEED TO DO IS PERMITTED, BUT IT'S NOT APPROVED. AND THAT'S THE SAME ARCHITECTURE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU KNOW WHEN IT GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR DESIGN REVIEW, THEY'RE ASSUMING LIKE, HEY, I WANT TO BUILD THIS. THEY'RE COMING FORWARD THE PROPOSAL, BUT IN NEITHER CASES IT APPROVED. UNTIL AFTER THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, GIVES THAT DECISION. SO YEAH, THEY ALL COME FORWARD WITH A PROPOSAL AND AN ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. BUT IT'S NOT APPROVED UNTIL ONLY THING WOULD STOP IT MORE. THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD STOP IT WOULD BE UNAPPROVED ARCHITECTURE. SO THEY'D HAVE TO JUST CHANGE THE SINGLES AND IT TO GO. OR WHATEVER, OR A DOOR I MEAN, IT HAS TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS SET OUT IN CODE. THE SIZE, THE HEIGHT, THE SETBACKS, EVERYTHING. THIS DEFINED FOR THE A. D A. YOU HAVE TO BE MET, BUT THAT WOULD NOT PROVIDE A SETTING FOR THE CITIZENS TO VOICE THEIR OPINION AS TO WHETHER IT'S DESIRABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT. WELL, I MEAN, WHETHER THAT PUBLIC MEETING IS DESIGN REVIEW OR PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE'S STILL THAT PUBLIC INPUT. SO COULD YOU. COULD THAT NOT HAPPEN AT THE DRB MEETING WHERE YOU HAVE THE NEIGHBORS SHOW UP AND DO THAT SAME EXACT THING. WELL NO, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE NOT WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR THEIR THEIR FOR ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL, NOT WHETHER THE PROJECT IS SUITABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT. WHAT ALLEN SAYING IS YOU COULD HAVE A PROJECT THAT MEETS ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS MEETS EVERYTHING EXACTLY AND PLANNING COMMISSION COULD STILL SAY NO. BECAUSE CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE THE CITIZENS MAY A VOICE SUFFICIENT OPINION THAT MAY HELP PLANNING COMMISSION UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION TO A HIGHER DEGREE . ALSO WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION WITH CONDITIONAL USES , WE HAVE A LIST LIKE A CHECKLIST THAT WE GO THROUGH AND PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWS THAT AND SAYS, ARE YOU MEETING A THROUGH F. AND IF THEY'RE MEETING THOSE THEY HAVE TO APPROVE THAT USE. UM SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT SIMPLIFIED AND IF SOMEONE CAME IN ALLEN AND WAS HAD THEIR PROPOSAL, AND THEY MET, ALL OF THOSE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT APPLICATION. I'LL JUST I WOULD JUST SAY ONE THING THAT IN ALL THIS DISCUSSION OUT OF THE SEVEN OF US ONLY THREE OF US LIVE IN AN AREA OF TOWN, WHICH THIS WOULD AFFECT COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY LIVE IN HAVE RESTRICTIONS THAT THIS WOULD NEVER BE PERMITTED. SO THERE'S ONLY THREE OF US THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE ONES THAT
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WOULD HEAR RESIDENTS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, AND ONLY THREE OF US HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THIS IN THE FUTURE, IF AND WHEN IT EVER BECOMES AN ISSUE. SO THAT'S THE OTHER CONCERN AS WELL. I DISAGREE IF SOMEONE WERE TO BUILD AN ATTACHED 80 YOU AND NOT RENT IT OUT. THAT'S PERMITTED IN THESE OTHER AREAS. IT'S DETACHED . THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE. I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY THAT THAT PROHIBITION IS NOT BUT THAT'S NOT A CITY CODE THAT RESTRICTS THAT. THAT'S A PRIVATE HOW MUCH ASSOCIATION EXACTLY AND I'LL ALSO GO ON RECORD AND SAY THAT I'M I'VE RECEIVED THREE PHONE CALLS ABOUT THIS. EVEN THOUGH I LIVE IN A DISTRICT THAT'S NOT IN THE REASON I DO IS I'M THE ONLY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT PUTS MY CELLPHONE NUMBER ON OUR WEBSITE BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE THEY CALL THE NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE ON THE WEBSITE AND IT'S MACKENZIE. SO TO SAY THAT THE FOUR OF US THAT DON'T LIVE IN THOSE AREAS AREN'T GOING TO GET CALLS IS INACCURATE. I GUARANTEE I GET A CALL, AND IT'S JUST TO BE CLEAR THOSE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS, INCLUDING THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS MILL VALLEY. AND UH, SOME SUBDIVISIONS ON THE SOUTHERN END OF TOWN. IT'S THE SAME LEGISLATION FOR THOSE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. IT'S JUST THAT THE PRIVATE H O A DEED RESTRICTIONS AND GOVERNANCE WOULD RESTRICT THAT RIGHT. I GUESS I SHOULD MAKE MYSELF MORE CLEAR. YES, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE QUESTION IS PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN THE SAME REVIEW OR AM I THINK I THINK YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHETHER WE WANTED TO GO TO DESIGN OF YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION. THEN WE SHOULD MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY SO ONE OF THE FAVORITE PLAYMATE CONDITION OKAY, SO IT IS A. CAN WE DO THAT? AS A AS A STORE POLLED THE STORE OR I CERTAINLY THINK YOU CAN DISCUSS IT. SURE IF IT'S ALL YEAH, I MEAN, YOU CAN EACH PER EACH COUNCIL MEMBER CAN FEEL FREE TO VOICE HIS OR HER OPINION ON WHETHER, UH, YOU KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT THE CONDITIONAL USE, REVIEW AND PLANNING COMMISSION. ABSOLUTELY.OKAY? ALRIGHT. SO, ELLEN, YOU WHAT'S THAT ON YOUR SIDE? THE COMMISSION COMMISSION. MRS GOAT I WANT CONDITIONAL USE MHM, BUT I'M GOING TO MUDDY THE WATERS FURTHER. I DON'T CARE, OKAY, PLANNING COMMISSION AND OR HMM. I SEE THE POINT BOTH WAYS. UM I DO UNDERSTAND NOT CLUTTERING UP ANOTHER STEP. HMM I THINK IN SOME SITUATIONS HAVING ANOTHER STEP CAN BE POSITIVE. SO I WILL VOTE. YES ON CONDITIONAL USE. MHM WILL NOT VOTE AGAINST EITHER OF THE TWO SUGGESTIONS, DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S FIRST, OKAY? OKAY DONALD ABOUT YES. ON PLANNING COMMISSION, OKAY.
READING TAYLOR. I WOULD VOTE NOW WOULD BE A PERMITTED USE AND DRB, OKAY? I MEAN, GIVEN THAT THERE'S A CHECKLIST THAT AS LONG AS THEY MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. AND PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO FOLLOW THAT. YOU KNOW ON A CONDITIONAL USE. I THINK IT'S KIND OF A MOOT POINT. YOU KNOW WHETHER IT GOES TO DESIGN REVIEW OR OR PLANNING COMMISSION. THE DIFFERENCES THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLICATE OR RULES TO MAKE IT PLANNING COMMISSION FOR JUST THIS ONE THING. I LIKE KEEPING THINGS SIMPLE AND I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT AT DESIGN REVIEW DESIGN. OKAY, I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT DESIGNER VIEW AS WELL. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A MORE SPECIAL LIES GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT DO THE DESIGN WORK LIKE WE'VE ALREADY SAID. UM AND I THINK OF BOTH GROUPS WERE TO DO IT. IT WOULD JUST BE UNNEEDED BUREAUCRACY AND TOO MUCH OVERSIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THINK SO WE STILL HAVE EMOTION ON THE FLOOR, AND WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THAT WHICH IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE. I GUESS WE I THOUGHT WE HAD THIS SORT OF QUOTE UNQUOTE STRAWBERRY BECAUSE THE MOTION HADN'T FORMALLY BEEN MADE, OKAY? SO I DON'T KNOW. WELL I'M WRONG. MACKENZIE OR ALAN? I DON'T KNOW IF I THOUGHT THE MOTION ACTUALLY HAD BEEN THERE THAT WAS PROPOSED, BUT I THINK IT WAS MADE. WELL, WE'RE ALMOST THERE ON THE DESIGN REVIEW, HANK. I GUESS IT'S YOUR OPINION, WHETHER PC OR OR OR DESIGNER DESIGNER REVIEW. OKAY BUT I ALSO WANT TO REMIND COUNSEL THAT PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD BE A PERMITTED USE.
SO IN ORDER TO AMEND PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, IT WOULD REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY SIX VOTES, SO FOUR IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT. IT WOULD FAIL. THE MOTION TO AMEND WOULD FAIL MHM.
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I'LL GO. DESIGN REVIEW I CAN. I'M FUNNY. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S VIEW. OKAY IT GOES THAT WAY. IT'S LONG AS WE'VE GOT. WE'VE GOT THE PROCEDURE IN PLACE. UM CAN WE ADD? CAN WE ADD ANY TYPE OF AMENDMENT TO IT TO MAKE LETTERS GO OUT MORE THAN JUST ADJACENT PROPERTIES? NO NO, IT'S JUST WHETHER IT'S CONDITIONAL PERMITTED AND THAT IT GOES TO DESIGN REVIEW.CORRECT AS MY EMOTION. OKAY JUST THAT MOTION. OKAY OKAY. STRAW VOTE ALREADY SENT IT TO US. THE DESIGN REVIEW EMOTIONALITY WITHDRAWAL. I DIDN'T THINK YOU HADN'T MADE A MOTION COULD BE WRONG NOTION I MAY HAVE PROVIDED . I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW. WRITTEN. OKAY THANKS. THANKS THANKS FOR YOUR HELP IN THAT ONE. OKAY, SO IT BASICALLY THE STENTS STENTS AS PRESENTED AS WE AMENDED EARLIER. YES SO WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE TEXT. TEXT TEXT REVISION, BUT WE WILL MAINTAIN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AS PERMITTED WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AS OUR AS OUR REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THAT, CORRECT, MR PRESIDENT. WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING THEN ON THE ON THE LEGISLATION AS AMENDED, AND WE CAN DO THAT TONIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO. HAVE YOU HAVE YOU DONE OR DO WE HAVE MORE? OKAY THOSE ARE THE ONLY THOSE WERE THE ONLY AMENDMENT. THAT YEAH, THAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING THE OTHERS WERE JUST CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS LAST WEEK OR SO WEEKS AGO. AT THIS POINT, IT'S BACK TO SECOND READING. YEAH PUBLIC DONE ALREADY TO COUNSEL. SO PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY, UM. BODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE CHANGES. OKAY PUT YOUR MIND IDENTIFYING AND 1814 CHIP ROCK DRIVE. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. THIS IS WHETHER THIS DWELLINGS EXISTING OR WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE BUILT. THIS. THIS WOULD THIS WOULD BE FOR NEW DWELLINGS. UM UM TO REBUILD, CONVERTED AND BUILT. UM CORRECT. THE THAT IS CORRECT, BECAUSE IF IT IS A GARAGE, MOST LIKELY YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT IT INTO A, UM, INTO A MOTHER IN LAW SUITE. DO WHAT? WHATEVER WHATEVER TERM YOU WANT TO USE AND THEN A SUGGESTION ON YOUR SIGNS. JUST BOOK COMING SOON AND YOU'LL GET ALL GONNA EYEBALL. ACH I DO HAVE A PIECE OF LITERATURE PUT OUT BY THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS. THAT SPEAKS EXACTLY TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. OKAY I CAN LEAVE THIS WITH SOMEBODY IF THEY WANT TO LOOK IT OVER. IF DONALD TAKE IT WITH STAFF, IF YOU IF YOU COULD GIVE IT GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH ANYBODY ELSE? DAMASCUS I WAS PLEASED TO SEE THE DELIBERATION TONIGHT AS AS YOU MENTIONED MR COUNCIL MEMBER BURBEY. UM I WASN'T LIKE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THIS AND I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT SOME TWEAKS AND ADJUSTMENTS SO I WAS PLEASED TO SEE THE DELIBERATION AND THE CONVERSATION IN THE BACK AND FORTH. UM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. APPRECIATE IT. 80 CRANKO 16 72 MEADOWLARK ONE LAST THING ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE VERSUS PERMITTED. I UNDERSTAND. THE THOUGHT FOR SOME INPUT FROM CITIZENS. BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN COMING TO THESE IS NOT THEY TEND TO NOT AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS NOT FOCUS ON THE CODE.
THEY FOCUS ON THE MOTION AND THAT THEY DON'T LIKE IT AND THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE THERE. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT. AND THAT IS NOT UM I WOULD HATE TO SEE A PLANNING COMMISSION. UH INFLUENCED JUST SOMETHING THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE. DON'T BUILD ONE. UM AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IS IF WE LEAVE IT AS PERMITTED, THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WILL DO AN EXCELLENT JOB, MAKING SURE IT'S COHESIVE AND AGAIN. KEEP IN MIND . THIS IS OVER $200 A SQUARE FOOT TO BUILD ANYTHING LIKE THIS. THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE COMING IN TRYING THE COUPLE PEOPLE WE KNOW IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT EVERYONE IS CONCERNED ABOUT ARE NOT GOING TO DUMP 200 GRAND TO BUILD AN $800, A MONTH RENTAL. THIS IS THE LONG GAME.
AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU WANT INVESTING IN YOUR COMMUNITY. LET'S MAKE IT EASIER,
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NOT HARDER. OKAY THANK YOU. SO THIS THIS WILL BE BACK FOR 30 EATING TITLE ONLY ON JANUARY.[Ord. B]
THE 23RD. AND WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT. SHE B. B I'M SORRY. HMM ORDINANCE BE SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND CHAPTER 1123.19 AND CLOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND S, R D B R D, N C D AND AIRED OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE. ANYTHING FURTHER? NOTHING OKAY, AND THERE'S ONLY SPECIAL PLACE IN WHAT AREAS? THIS IS ALLOWED. SO YEP. ANY COUNCIL QUESTIONS. AND THE CITIZENS. OKAY HERE AND NOW AND THEN IT'LL BE BACK TO 30 EATING DEAD LONELY ON GENERATED 20 SEARCH NOW WE'RE GETTING TO[Ord. C]
ORDINANCE SEE 30, LEADING. TO AMEND SECTION 9 TO 1.0 TO A CONDITIONS FOR CONDUCT CONNECTION AS WELL AS SECTION 9 30.1 M GENERAL REGULATIONS GOVERNING CONNECTIONS OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE IN RELATION TO CONNECTION TO CITY UTILITIES.NOTHING FURTHER. OKAY ANY COUNCIL COMMENTS? OKAY I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR. THERE'S TOO MUCH, BUT WE HAD A SMALL EXAMPLE ABOUT COMPOSITION BETWEEN. UM UH AS FAR AS THAT SECTION 31. IN ADDITION TO THAT, YEAH, AS FAR AS I KNOW. AT ONE TIME NAVAN AREA, WHICH PROBABLY WAS WELL OUT OF THAT'S ON COUNTY HOME ROAD, UNDERWAY THROUGH THE DECORATED AT ONE TIME THAT WAS OUT OF THE CITY IS NOT A PART OF THE CITY SYSTEM, THE AREA BETWEEN FOUR AND 31 JUST THE BOTTOM PART CLOSEST TO 33. MOST PEOPLE IDENTIFY IT. WHERE THE 100 CREDIT UNION IS. THAT PORTION IS NOT CURRENTLY PROVIDED WITH CITY SERVICES AND THEN THE OTHER VOLUNTARY COSTS FROM WALKING MEADOWS ON ROUTE 38 SOUTH AGAIN. THOSE ARE THE THREE BUT IT SPECIFIES IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE ARE READY TO PROPOSE THAT IT IS UP TO THE CITY TO INCLUDE THOSE UM AND I DOUBT IT VERY MUCH. IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A, UM, EVEN IF THERE IS A REQUEST THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE TO BRING IN ANY KIND OF CITY SERVICES IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS. THIS WOULD BE FOR THE AREAS OUTSIDE THE CITY. DO YOU SEE AT ANY POINT INCLUDING THE SEATED, I MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE EXISTING, UM OKAY. WELL, FIRST OF ALL THE ORDINANCE CONTEMPLATES THE ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY. SO IF THE IF THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE THE DWELLING WAS IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT THAT AGREEMENT WAS ENTERED INTO BETWEEN THE PARTIES , WHICH I THINK IS LIKE DECEMBER OF 2005 DECEMBER 19TH 2005. THEN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ANNEX I'M SORRY TO GET UTILITIES WITHOUT ANNEXATION. NOW IN TERMS OF WHERE THE LINES ARE. THAT'S NOT AT ALL PART OF THIS ORDINANCE. UM ALL THIS ORDINANCE DOES IS A LINE OR CODE WITH THE ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY. OKAY SO IF THERE IS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OR IF WE ANNEX AND 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT ADJACENT NOW BECOMES ADJACENT. AND THERE WAS A STRUCTURE ON THAT PROPERTY OF THE DWELLING WAS ON THAT PROPERTY, AND IT WAS BUILT IN 2004 THAN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET CITY UTILITIES WITHOUT AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT. UM, IF THERE WAS NOT, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO ANNEX IN ORDER TO GET OUR UTILITIES. THAT'S THAT'S THE THAT'S THE SUM OF THIS OF THIS LEGISLATION. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN. THIS IS THE FINAL. THIS IS THE THIRD READING SHOW TONIGHT WE WILL TAKE THE VOTE ON IT, SO I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. IT'S BASICALLY GRANDFATHERING IN ALL THOSE LOCATIONS YOU JUST MET RIGHT
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PRESIDENT. YES MA'AM. ASKED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED TO US LIKE 2025 YEARS AGO. IF A PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT RECEIVING CITY WATER CITY SEWER CHOOSES TO RECEIVE IT. MY UNDERSTANDING. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS THAT AT THE TIME THE PERSON PAYS TAPPIN AND PIPING. FROM THE CITY SERVICE TO THAT TO THAT PERSON'S HOME. THAT THE CONCERN ON EXPRESSING WHAT I WHAT I WOULD SAY TO MR PRESIDENT IS I'M NOT SEEING A LOT OF PEOPLE RUSHING FORWARD WHO WANT TO PAY TAPPIN AND PIPING NOW THAT WAS WAVED AT ONE TIME. BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTOOD TO ME THAT IT WAS A ONE TIME ONLY WAVING. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF PEOPLE PREPARED TO PAY TAP IN AND THE PIPE. FROM OUR SERVICES TO THEIR RECEIPT, SO I REALLY THINK YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK FINANCIALLY . WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A HIT EVER ON OFFERING THOSE SERVICES AND I APOLOGIZE TO MISS CROCK. O UM THOSE PEOPLE MY UNDERSTANDING IS TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, WOULD HAVE TO PAY TAPPIN AND PIPING. CHEAPER THAN A NEW SUBJECT OF THE COUNTY. DOESN'T LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE BIGGER LUCK. THANK YOU, MA'AM, BASICALLY, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT PREVENTS THE PROPERTY ON 2 45. TO STAY IN PARIS TOWNSHIP, PARIS TOWNSHIP CHANGED THE ZONING. WE PROVIDE THE WATER AND SEWER BECAUSE WE'RE THE WATER AND SEWER PROVIDER FOR THE COUNTY, AND THEY DON'T PAY TAXES TO US INCOME TAXES. SO IF ANY. PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY WANTED TO TAP INTO OUR WATER AND SEWER AND THEY ARE ADJACENT TO US, THEN THEY HAVE TO ANNEX SO THAT PROTECTS US NOW THERE'S NOTHING NOW THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT THE NEXT PROPERTY DOWN ON 2 45. COULDN'T WANT OUR SERVICES PAY FOR THE EXTENSION AND STAY IN PARIS TOWNSHIP.BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ADJACENT TO US. I MEAN, THIS AUDITS ONLY ADDRESSES. PROPERTIES IN THE GROWTH AREA THAT ARE OUTLINED IN OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE MS VALLEY. THE BORDERS THAT MS PALLEY, THAT'S IT. AND WHETHER WHETHER THEY HAVE TO ANNEX TO GET UTILITIES. SO THEY THEY WOULD HAVE TO ANNEX UNLESS THE STRUCTURE WAS THERE. PRIOR TO DECEMBER. 19TH 2005 19 2005 DECEMBER 19TH 2005. I THINK I COULD BE WRONG WITH THE 2005 DECEMBER 7005 YEARS, OKAY? HI JUST DECEMBER 19TH. THAT'S WHERE GOOD PASSED THE LEGISLATION. WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE LOCAL, PLEASE. MR BURBEY? YES MR CARPENTER? YES MR SEYMOUR. MRS GROAT? YES. UM MR BERGER? YES MR REEMS? YES, MR ROUSH. SEVEN YES , WONDERFUL. I THINK THAT CONCLUDES OF THE ITEMS. SISTER PRESIDENT BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT STEP WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO ORDINANCE TO BE AN AND MAKE YOU AWARE THAT I WON'T BE PRESENT. AT THE THIRD READING ON THAT TOPIC, AND YOU SAID IT REQUIRES A SUPERMAJORITY FOR THAT WAS ONLY FOR THE AMENDMENT . THE AMENDMENT THAT TIME YOU WILL BE FOR FORTRESS OR STILL WOULD BE 4 TO 4 OR C IT JUST REQUIRES JUST LIKE LEGISLATION WOULD REQUIRE FOUR VOTES TO PASS BECAUSE NO AMENDMENT WAS MADE ON THE ORLEANS. OKAY BESIDES THE AMENDMENTS ALREADY MADE, THEN IT STILL REQUIRES US FOR, AND SO WILL THE LEGISLATION AS A MEDIC WOULD ONLY REQUIRE FOUR SO AN ORDINANCE A FOUR VOTES OF PASSING. I'M STILL EXCUSED. OKAY THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW. APPRECIATE IT. ADMINISTRATION
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ANY CLOSING COMMENTS IN RESPECT OF TIME AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU ALREADY. UM. DON'T YOU START TO CLOSING COMMENTS TODAY? THANK YOU. OKAY. MRS COAT TUESDAY, JANUARY 10TH I ATTENDED , UM, VISITATION THAT WAS GOING TO BE FOLLOWED BY A FUNERAL FOR OUR FORMER POLICE CHIEF, ROLAND KAISER. IT WAS DIGNIFIED. IT DID OUR FORMER POLICE CHIEF HONOR. BUT THE REASON I'M SPEAKING[02:05:08]
ABOUT IT. EXCUSE ME IS BECAUSE CAPTAIN DON MCGLYNN CAPTAIN CHANCE SEEBURG AND SERGEANT JOE PAT SINGER. ALSO ATTENDED AND MADE YOU VERY PROUD OF YOUR CITY . UM LATER, I TALKED TO CHIEF BROOKS AND THE STATEMENT HE MADE TO ME WAS YES, HE WANTED TO MARYSVILLE PRESENCE, BUT THESE THREE PEOPLE VOLUNTEERED TO PONY UP WHETHER THEY WERE ON DUTY OR NOT, I DON'T CARE. THEY DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF HONORING YOUR CITY. UM AND IT WAS IT WAS A VERY DIGNIFIED PRESENCE. SO THANKS VERY MUCH, CHIEF. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF CALM COMMENTS. MY FIRST COMMENT IS WHEN I RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL, THERE IS NO DOUBT IN ANYBODY'S MIND THAT IRAN ON ITEMS THAT NOBODY HAD TRULY RUN ON IN A LONG TIME PRESERVATION PROTECTION OF MIRRORS WAS IDENTITY, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING THAT CAME ALONG WITH THAT. DURING MY TIME IN OFFICE. I HAVE STUCK TO MY GUNS AND STUCK TO WHAT I TOLD THE VOTER AND THEY VOTE AND THEY TRUSTED ME THAT I WOULD UPHOLD.AND EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM KNOWS HOW PERSISTENT I HAVE BEEN DURING MY TIME IN OFFICE. I AGREE WITH YOU. KATHY THAT THIS SHED SHOULD NOT LOOK LIKE THIS. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IRAN BECAUSE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS BECOMING AN ISSUE THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE STARTING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT. IN 2018. I THINK WE MET AT RED SHED. I TOLD YOU THAT I WAS APPROVING OF THIS ONLY WHEN DESIGN STANDARDS ARE POWERED ENOUGH. TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR PICTURES ARE SHOWCASING PARTY PLANK AND BEAUTIFUL, MAINTAINING STRUCTURES. CHAD FLOWERS ALSO BROUGHT THIS AT THAT TIME, PEOPLE CAME TO CHILD FLOWERS AND ALSO SAID ABOUT BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. CHAD FLOWERS, PUT IT ON THE TABLE AND SAID MIRRORS WAS NOT READY. I DO NOT THINK MAYOR AS WELL AS READY YET FOR THIS DO I BELIEVE THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED? YES. I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON. AS A COUNCIL. WE'VE ALREADY PASSED. YES. DURING MY TIME IN OFFICE. I HAVE NEVER PUBLICLY STATED ANYBODY'S NAME OF A LANDLORD. OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER PERSONALLY ATTACKED A RESIDENT. WE BOTH KNOW AND STASIA, YOU KNOW, FROM TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM YOU. THERE ARE RENTERS AND THIS COMMUNITY THAT USE AND ABUSE HOUSES UNTIL THEY FALL DOWN. IN MY WARD HAS LOST QUITE A BIT OF HOMES. TO MAKE IT LOTS. IN OUR WARD. TO EVERYBODY AND WARD FOUR. I HAVE VACANT STRUCTURES. BECAUSE THE LAND IS SO CHEAP. THAT YOU CAN LEAVE A HOUSE OF BACON. AND NEVER PUT A DIME INTO IT AND LET IT FALL DOWN. IN MY WARD. THE UPTOWN HAS STRUCTURES THAT ARE VACANT THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING BUT I'M SAYING THAT AS WE MOVE TOWARDS AFFORDABILITY MICRO APARTMENTS IN THE UPTOWN IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT FROM A CITY STANDPOINT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE SHOULD BE WORKING WITH PRESERVATIONISTS, GRANT WRITERS TO RESTORE THE UPTOWN BUILDINGS AND USING THOSE BUILDINGS AS OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. AND, UM. LASTLY I WILL STATE THAT ON FOR ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ON EAST EIGHTH STREET. THERE ARE UM, EAST EIGHTH STREET WAS AT ONE TIME BUILT BY THE ROBINSON FAMILY WHO BUILT THE ROBINSON BLOCK. ERIN ROBINSON, WHO WAS A COLONEL IN THE MILITARY. HIS, UM HOUSE IS STILL STANDING ON WEST FIFTH STREET. UM THOSE HOMES WERE MORE OF A FARMING COMMUNITY ON EAST EIGHT EAST NINE. THAT WAS ALL RURAL THAT WAS ALL RURAL COUNTRYSIDE. THOSE HOUSES HAD ANIMALS AND ALL KINDS, AND THERE'S ONLY A FEW CARRIAGE HOUSES LEFT THAT ARE ORIGINAL. TO WIN THOSE HOUSES WERE BUILT. SOME OF THOSE CARRIAGE HOUSES.
SADLY EVEN THOUGH THE HOMES HAVE BEEN MODERNIZED, THE CARRIAGE HOUSES HAVE BEEN LEFT TO DETERIORATE. SO ALL I'M SAYING IS IF WE AS A COUNCIL BELIEVE THAT BUILDING NEW CARRIAGE HOUSES IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE , THEN I HOPE AS A COUNCIL WE START IMPLEMENTING PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS TO PROTECT THE ACTUAL HISTORICAL ONES THAT ARE STILL LEFT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT. UM MR ROCH. WELCOME BACK, MACKENZIE. I CAN'T BELIEVE
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NOBODY EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. SO IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK IN YOUR CLERK SEAT. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW ADDITION TO YOUR FAMILY, AND WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO HAVE YOU BACK FOR 2023 2ND QUICK THING. YOU KNOW, I SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME DRIVING AROUND THE STATE IN MY REAL JOB. AND PROBABLY PUT 30 35,000 MILES A YEAR ON MY CAR AND RECENTLY, GOVERNOR DEWINE SIGNED A NEW LAW MAKING THE CELL PHONE USE OF PRIMARY OFFENSE, EVEN FOR US OVER 18. I CAN'T COUNT HOW MANY TIMES I'VE COME CLOSE TO HAVING ACCIDENTS BECAUSE OF SOMEBODY TEXTING AND DRIVING. UH AND I'M A HYPOCRITE . I HAVE DONE IT A FEW TIMES, BUT I HAVE REALLY PLEDGED TO QUIT, SO PLEASE PUT THE PHONE AWAY. USE YOUR HANDS FREE. I MAKE A LOT OF PHONE CALLS WHILE I'M DRIVING, BUT THEIR HANDS FREE, SO PLEASE SAVE A LIFE. THAT'S IT. OKAY, THANKS. UH YOU KNOW, I THINK THE JOB HANK RUNNING THAT MEETING SEEMED A LITTLE RUSTY THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU DID. ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW THERE'S A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL GAME TONIGHT. SO LET'S LET'S WRAP THIS UP. POINTS OVER GEORGIA LINEN BIG WELL IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. MAYBE THERE IS NO INTEREST IN TIME ANYMORE. UM QUICK THINGS. WELCOME BACK, MACKENZIE. I WAS WHAT'S THAT? OH OKAY, WELL, WELCOME BACK.SINCERELY CONGRATS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. I HOPE YOU HAD A AMAZING HOLIDAY AND HAPPY NEW YEAR AS WELL AS EVERYONE IN HERE. I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. I WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO OUR STREET CREWS. WE HAD A LOT OF IMPLEMENT WEATHER OVER THE HOLIDAYS. PRETTY MUCH RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS. AND SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW , THE ROADS LOOKED GOOD, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY WORK AND YOU'RE WORKING CRAZY HOURS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. MHM AND WELL, ACTUALLY, MY FIRST COMMENT MARIK , I CAN RECIPROCATE TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING AT THE HELM FOR TWO YEARS. UM I GUESS TODAY ARE YOU STILL BEAT US BY FOUR YEARS, BUT STILL WHO'S COUNTING? IT IS IT IS AN HONOR TO BE HERE. AND EVEN TONIGHT? YES IT DID TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT I THINK WE HAD A GOOD DIALOGUE BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE GUESTS THAT WE HAVE OUT HERE SO AGAIN, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR STAFF FOR DUMPING IT OUT AND KIND OF GUIDING US ALONG. SO WITH THAT I TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. OKAY ALL
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