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MARCH 7TH 2023 6 30 PM IT'S CALLED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER ROLL CALL,
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PLEASE, MR HUNTER HERE, MR. FISHER MR NICHOLSON HERE. MR PURVIS HERE, MR WOLOWITZ. HERE MR. STOELTJE MR. STILYAN, PRESIDENT. HAS ANYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
FROM THE FEBRUARY 7TH 2023. MEETING. ANY ADDITIONS, COMMENTS . NONE OF A MOTION TO APPROVE.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. ALRIGHT EVERY IS THIS REAL QUICK OR JUST ALL ALL PROOFS. AI JAI IS SAME ALRIGHT. UH DO I NEED TO ADDRESS THE SWEARING IN OF CITIZENS? REPLICANTS, OKAY. TONIGHT OKAY. THIS IS IN COMMENTS WILL PASS UP REPORTS OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
[REPORT OF ADMINISTRATION]
GIVE YOU AN UPDATE THAT, UM WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUR FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT APPLICATION OUT. SO THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. SO THAT IS OUT AND OPEN TO BUSINESS OWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE UPTOWN DISTRICT, UM SO FEEL FREE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED , AND THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT HOPEFULLY, THE APRIL MEETING TO DO A SHORT PRESENTATION JUST ON SOME UM, KIND OF RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. I KNOW YEARLY. WE TRY TO DO THAT WITH PLANNING COMMISSION JUST TO GIVE AN UPDATE. WE HAVE KIND OF A TRACKING SYSTEM THAT JUST SHOW WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED. HOW MANY UNITS? WE'RE LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN TOUCH ON JUST SOME GENERAL C I P PROJECTS IN THE CITY AS WELL, JUST TO GET YOU GUYS KIND OF UP TO DATE FOR THE YEAR, SO JUST FOR REFERENCE.WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM MATCH AVAILABLE FOR THE GRANT FOR THE UPTOWN 70,000? SO IF YOU HAVE $140,000 PROJECT WE CAN MATCH THE 70. HMM. THAT IS IT FOR ADMINISTRATION. ALRIGHT TAKE A
[1. Vote on Rules and Procedure]
SIN TO NEW BUSINESS. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO VOTE ON RULES AND PROCEDURE. OH UH, LAST MONTH'S MEETING, WE HAD DISCUSSION ON THE RULES PROCEDURES AND SOME EDITS TO IT.AS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE. STRUCTURE REVIEW THE CHANGES. LESLIE HAD A COMMENT CLARIFICATION ON THE SOMEONE EXCUSES THEMSELVES. UM HOW IS THE PROCEDURE THERE SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND WE SPOKE TO OUR LAW DIRECTOR. WE WOULD RECOMMEND STILL KIND OF LEAVING THE ROOM.
UM AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY GO DOWN TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM AT THE END OF THE HALL, AND WE'LL TRY OUR BEST TO GET THAT LIVE STREAM UP THERE. UM, BUT IF SOMETHING CHANGES WITH THE LIVE STREAMING SAY, WE STOP IT A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN OR YOU KNOW IT'S NOT WORKING FOR THE NIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT PART OUT OF THE RULES AND PROCEDURES. BUT YOU'RE ALSO MORE THAN WELCOME TO PULL THAT LIVE STREAM UP ON YOUR PHONE WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT ROOM ALSO. SO WHAT DOES COUNCIL DO? COUNCIL NOW LEAVES THE ROOM AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S STILL THE LANGUAGE IS STILL MISSING. IS THE FACT THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAS TO LEAVE THE ROOM. THAT WE GOT THAT IN THERE, BUT LET'S CHECK. OKAY SECTION ONE. WHAT NUMBER WAS THE, UH, NO, UM NUMBER FOUR. PRISONERS SHALL BE EXCLUDED. DISCUSSION OR EXCLUDED FROM THE DISCUSSION, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO EXIT SO WE CAN DO. WE COULD ADD THAT AS LIKE, APPROVE WHAT THE CONDITION THAT WE INCLUDE THAT THEY SHALL REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM THE ROOM. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I WAS. THANK YOU AND OUR LAW DIRECTOR SAID. IT'S YOUR GUYS' RULES AND PROCEDURES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THE ROOM BUT WILL BE RECOMMENDED DELIVER. THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP. LAST TIME WAS BECAUSE WE HAD DISCUSSED IT AND THAT WAS WHAT WE AGREED UPON. SURE BUT I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN. I'M STILL OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. DO WE WANT THEM? DO WE WANT THE COMMISSIONER TO EXIT THE ROOM SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNSEL DOES OR WHAT'S OUR TWO CENTS? I MEAN, I GUESS I HAVE A THOUGHT IT. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALITY IS FOR LEAVING THE ROOM AND WE CAN HAVE A ROOM FULL OF CITIZENS IN HERE THAT CAN BE IN HERE, BUT A COMMISSION MEMBER OR COUNCIL MEMBER. I CANNOT STAY IN THE ROOM. I THINK THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT YOUR REACTIONS TO MAYBE INFLUENCE OTHER BOARD
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MEMBERS. SO THAT I THINK IS WHERE IT BECOMES INTO PLAY. THEY JUST SAY EASIEST WAY IS JUST TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE SITUATION AND SO THAT THERE'S NO CONFLICT OR AND YET, YEAH PRESSURE OR ANYTHING FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO SAY OH, AND YET PERSON MEMBER OF CITIZEN CAN BE IN THE ROOM AND GO THROUGH WHAT KIND EVER AND ACCEPT THAT CITIZEN MIGHT WANT TO GO THROUGH TO AFFECT. UM I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST SEEMS AND THIS AGAIN. THIS IS LIKE JEFF SAID TOTALLY UP TO YOU GUYS. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT COUNSEL DOES IF THE BOARD DECIDES YOU WANT TO STAY IN THE ROOM, THAT'S FINE. I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO STAY IN THE ROOM, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S EVEN COME UP TO EXIT. UM. MY INTUITION IS PRETTY HOT MIC. MY INTUITION WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID THAT THERE'S NOT SOME SORT OF LIKE, UH, I DON'T KNOW. KIND OF INFLUENCE INTRODUCED THROUGH THE INTERACTION BY A BOARD MEMBER TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AND THE EASIEST WAY TO DEAL WITH ANY SORT OF LIKE LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WOULD BE TO RID THE SITUATION OF SUCH POSSIBLE INFLUENCE. IT'S JUST LIKE THE CLEANEST, SAFEST POSSIBLE WAY IS KIND OF HOW I UNDERSTAND IT. SO YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN, EVEN IF WE ARE NOT INFLUENCED BY THE CITY COUNCILOR, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER BOARD MEMBER SITTING OUT. IT COULD BE SEEN AS THAT WAY SEEMS LIKE ILLUMINATING. IT IS A SIMPLE YES . SOLUTION YOUR RIGHTS, MR STOELTJE THAT I CITIZENS ALL DAY LONG COULD DO THE SAME. VERY THING. IT'S JUST MAYBE IN THE CASE OF A COMMISSION MEMBER IT EVEN THAT THAT APPEARANCE COULD BE SEEN MAYBE BY NON COMMISSIONED MEMBERS THAT THERE'S STILL SOME, MAYBE GAMES OR OF INFLUENCE GOING ON IN THE INTERACTION PART PLACE TO IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT THEY FACE THAT WALL THINKING. CAN WE SIT IN THE CORNER? I MEAN, YEAH. I'M FINE WITH WHATEVER THE MAJORITY WANTS TO DO. IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH US, INCLUDING IN THERE THAT YOU LEAVE THE ROOM DURING THAT AGENDA ITEM AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK IN AFTER I'M FOR THAT, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. IF I CAN SEE ENOUGH HEAD NODS HOLDERS, OKAY? ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE RULES AND PROCEDURES AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN. UM I'LL SWEAR YOU IN IF AND WHEN YOU HAVE COMMENTS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON OUR RULES AND PROCEDURE? OKAY, FANTASTIC. I'M SURE WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET THERE. ALRIGHT WE'RE GOOD ON EVERYTHING ELSE. IF YOU WANT TO. SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DO THAT WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS OKAY. A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE ADDITION OF BOARD MEMBER LEAVING WHEN THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.MOVE. NOT FORGET JOINED ON EIGHT SECONDS ON ANYTHING. SO I DON'T BELIEVE SO. MR MR HUNTER. YES MR FISHER. MR STOELTJE? YES MR STILIAN. MR NICHOLSON? YES ABYSS ? YES, MR WONG WITS? YES. THANKS
[2. To hear an application for a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code, Appendix - Glossary of Terms.]
ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TWO PART 11 ZONING CODES. APPENDIX GLOSSARY OF TERMS. YEAH SO YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT FROM MYSELF AND JEFF THIS EVENING, WE HAD A HANDFUL OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA OR RELATED TO ZONING CODE MODIFICATIONS. SO THE FIRST ONE AND WE DID GO THROUGH MOST OF THESE AT THE LAST MEETING. I WAS KIND OF THAT PRELIMINARY OVERVIEW. WE TOOK YOUR KIND OF COMMENTS CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN MAKING THESE THESE FINAL PROPOSALS, SO THE FIRST ONE WILL GO THROUGH HIS GLOSSARY OF TERMS, SO WE HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS WE WOULD BE LOCKED COVERAGE. OPEN SPACE, UM , SETBACKS AND SPECIALTY FOOD AND BEVERAGE FACILITY. SO FOR LA COVERAGE WE ARE ADDING IN THE TERMINOLOGY, UM GROUND FLOOR AREA OF ALL BUILDING STRUCTURES AND SURFACES, REGARDLESS IF IT IS PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS SO THAT PORTION AND RED IS WHAT WOULD BE ADDED INTO THE DEFINITION FOR OPEN SPACE. WE HAVE ADDED IN THE EARLY WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THE DEFINITION BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE[00:10:04]
A DEFINITION FOR OPEN SPACE. SO WE'RE PROPOSING A DEFINITION THAT STATES AN AREA OF LAND UNOCCUPIED BY BUILDING STRUCTURES, STRUCTURE, STORAGE OR VEHICULAR USE AREAS EXCEPT FOR RECREATIONAL STRUCTURES AND WHICH IS GENERALLY USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF ACTIVE OR PASSIVE RECREATION. NATURAL FEATURES ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, PRESERVATION OF SCENIC VIEWS OR SIMILAR PURPOSES. OPEN SPACE DOES NOT INCLUDE STREET RIGHT OF WAYS, WHICH SETBACKS AND THEN FOR THE SETBACK TERMINOLOGY. THIS ONE JUST ADDS INSIDE AND REAR OF LOT TO THAT DEFINITION, AND THEN FOR SPECIALTY FOOD AND BEVERAGE. WE INCLUDE TAPROOM IN THAT AS WELL. COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS. UM MR SHARE. UM. I GUESS I HAVE. BUT WHAT'S DRIVING THE FIRST? THE LOT COVERAGE WANTING TO USE? UH DRIVEWAYS AS AS PART OF THAT. SO THAT IS TO HELP MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF HARD SURFACE HARDSCAPE ON A PARCEL SO THAT IF SOMEONE HAS A SMALLER LOT, THEY'RE NOT PEELING THE ENTIRE SURFACE OR GRAVEL ON THE ENTIRE SURFACE. UM HOW CLOSE ON. I WOULD SAY IN A DEVELOPED WELL, IT'S JUST A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME. HOW CLOSE DO THEY COME TO THAT 40? WE DID SOME CALCULATIONS. IT KIND OF DEPENDS WHICH DISTRICT URINE ALSO SO WE DID SOME CALCULATIONS IN S, R D AND WE WANTED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, LENIENT. I GUESS WITH THOSE CALCULATIONS AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE WERE WE WEREN'T VERY CLOSE TO THAT. 40% WHEN YOU CALCULATED IN EVERYTHING WE WOULD BE LIKE PATIOS, DECKS, DRIVEWAYS, SO WE STILL HAD SOME BUFFER SPACE IN THERE. BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT COULD RESOLVE FROM THIS AS NUMBER ONE. IT COULD TEND TO REDUCE DENSITY. IF, UM. IF DEVELOPERS SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE AND THEY WANT TO MAKE LOTS OF LITTLE BIT LARGER TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT. UM AND IT ALSO COULD POTENTIALLY LIMIT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SAY THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE UM. IF AGAIN IT JUST DEPENDS. I THINK ON ON HOW CLOSE YEAH, WE TOOK SOME 40% WE DID SOME SOMEONE SRD, SOME WITH LARGER LOTS, SOME WITH A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, AND WE WEREN'T REALLY WE STILL HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE, SO WE FELT SO WE FELT COMFORTABLE. SO THIS IS THAT WE WERE DOING THIS KIND OF AS AN INITIAL REVIEW, LIKE OKAY, WELL, IF WE INCLUDE THESE HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THESE LOT PERCENTAGES? SO SOME OF THE AREAS WE DID YOU'LL SEE IN THESE UPCOMING TYPOLOGY CHARTS THAT WE DID ADJUST THOSE PERCENTAGES JUST BECAUSE WE ARE INCLUDING SOME OF THIS NOW. AND HOW WILL YOU MONITOR THAT? UM WE WOULD REVIEW THAT WHEN THEY'RE GETTING PERMITS, ZONING PERMIT OR ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS AFTER THE HOUSE IS BUILT, AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO WIDEN THEIR DRIVEWAY EXTEND THEIR DRIVEWAY. THEY WOULD GET A PERMIT FOR THAT. OKAY CALCULATE THAT OR WE DO THAT RIGHT NOW. SO IF THERE'S A DECK OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, I MEAN, WE'RE STILL CALCULATING THAT INFORMATION. I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH MY QUESTION WOULD BE WITH EXISTING SMALLER LOTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY, AND MAYBE THEY DRIVEWAY COVER, YOU KNOW. IT'S UP MOST OF THEIR THEIR YARD AND THEY'VE GOT A SMALLER HOME. HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT THEM FROM ADDING ON POTENTIALLY, THEY'RE EXPANDING THEIR FAMILY. THEY WANT TO PUT AN ADDITION ON IF THERE'S A SITUATION LIKE THAT, WHERE THERE'S KIND OF A HARDSHIP LIKE, WELL, WE MOVED INTO THIS HOME OR THIS LOT IS SMALLER, AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT VARIOUS PROCESS WITH SOMEONE FOR THAT. SO HAND COMMENTS QUESTION. ANOTHER QUESTION. UM OTHER COMMUNITIES DO THE SAME THING. WE DID FIND THAT SOME HAD THAT, UM JUST KIND OF HAPPENED HALF OKAY. THANK YOU . MY QUESTIONS WERE KIND OF IN LINE WITH THINK WHAT YOU WOULD ASK, WHICH WAS ENFORCEMENT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE ON NEW[00:15:04]
DEVELOPMENT OF A DRY, WIDENING A DRIVEWAY, PATIO AND DECK. THEN. THEY WOULD BE ENFORCEMENT. I GUESS ACT WOULD BE AT THE APPLICATION TIMING, RIGHT CAN BE AN EXISTING HOME TO OKAY, SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A NEW HOME. IT COULD BE AN EXISTING ON THAT YOU'RE GETTING A ZONING PERMIT FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR A DECK OR WE'RE STILL CALCULATING THAT IF I'VE WALKED AROUND MARYSVILLE QUITE A BIT, AND THERE'S HOUSES THAT HAVE DRIVEWAYS WITH LIKE A STRIP OF CONCRETE ON THE SIDE OF THEIR PAVEMENT PAVED DRIVEWAY. IN. INTO LIKE TODAY'S WORLD IN MARYSVILLE. ARE ALL THOSE CASES SEEKING PERMITS TO ADD THAT STRIP OF CONCRETE IN THEIR DRIVEWAY. UM THEY SHOULD BE IF IT'S AN EXPANSION OF THEIR DRIVEWAY, OKAY? SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE APPLICATION PROCESS OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST OKAY? ALRIGHT IF SOMEONE WERE TO DO THAT, WITHOUT SEEKING A PERMIT. THEN IT WOULD NEED TO BE REPORTED ESSENTIALLY IDENTIFY THAT ENFORCEMENT. YEAH, THAT WAS THE DRIVING AROUND. THEY MAY NOTICE THAT OR A NEIGHBOR MAYBE WOULD CALL IN TO CHECK OR VARIOUS WAYS THAT THAT COMES ABOUT OKAY. YOU KNOW THEIR COMMENTS FROM BOARD. CITIZEN COMMENTS. I PROMISE. ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROOF. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR HUNTER. MR FISHER. MR STOELTJE? YES. MR STILIAN? YES MR NICHOLSON? YES THIS? YES MR WOLOWITZ, MR HUNTER. THE NEXT.[3. To hear an application regarding Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code District Typology Charts from Sections 1121.07, 1121.08, 1121.09, 1121.10, 1121.11, 1121.12, 1121.13, 1121.14, 1121.15, 1121.16, 1121.17, 1121.18, 1121.20, 1121.21, and 1121.22.]
ON THE AGENDA IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION REGARDING THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TWO PART 11 SO INCLUDE DISTRICT TOPOLOGY CHARTS FROM SECTIONS. 11 21 POINT OH, 7 11 21 POINT. OH, 8 21.9 21.10 11 21 11 11 21 12 11 21 13.14 POINT 15.16 17 18. 9 19. THAT'S CORRECT. OK 21 11 21 2011 21 21 11 21 22. YES SO FOR THIS AMENDMENTS, THIS IS CLEARING UP SOME SETBACK LANGUAGE. UM CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE, WE HAVE IT. SOME SAY LIKE ON SRD THAT WE HAVE SHOWING 30 FT FROM THE FRONT SIDE BACK FROM A LOT LINE OR RIGHT AWAY. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT AN EASEMENT LINE. BUT THEN LITTLE BIT LATER . WE HAVE EASEMENT LINE FOR THE BILL TO LINE SAYS HE'S BEEN LINE OR PLOTLINE DOESN'T MENTION RIGHT AWAY. SO WE TRY TO INCLUDE ALL THREE OF THEM, AND THEN WE DID THAT AT AN ASTERIX SO IT WILL BE AT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS. DISCRETION ON WHICH ONE OF THOSE THREE THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE SETBACK, UM ESPECIALLY FOR THE BILL. TWO LINES, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS. UM SO MAKE SURE YOU STUFF WE TRY TO POST THEM CLOSER TO THE ROAD, SO DEPENDING ON THE EASEMENT, THERE HAS BEEN SOME CASES THAT WE'VE ALLOWED THEIR DRIVE THROUGH OR THERE DR LANE IN THAT EASEMENT IF, BUT THAT'S ALL DEPENDING ON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, IF SOMETHING IS ALLOWED INTO THAT EASEMENT OR NOT, UM, SOMETIMES WE CAN'T. SO THEN WHAT? HELL BE PUSHBACK FROM THAT EASEMENT SO WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCRETION? UM AND THEN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT HE'S BEEN IS ON. A LITTLE BIT OF FUNCTIONAL WASTE, AND, UM, WITH THESE SETBACKS, UM AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM, AND THIS ONE IS FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED STANDARDS . MR MILLER, ONE THAT WE HAD. SOME CLARITY ON, UM, THE MAXIMUM CONTINUOUS FRONTAGE. WE HAD SOME THAT WERE 200 FT. WE HAD SOME THAT WERE 100 AND 85 FT. THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAD NO STIPULATIONS ON THEM, SO WE TRY TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR SECTIONS.11 21.7 POINT 0.12. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MAXIMUM CONTINUOUS FRIENDS OF 200 FT FOR THE ATTACHED UNITS AND THEN HAVE A 20 FT MINIMUM SPACING BETWEEN ANY GROUPINGS OF THE ATTACHED UNITS. UM AND THEN SECTIONS 11, 21.10 AND 11 21.11 WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM CONTINUOUS FRONTAGE OF 185 FT FOR THE ATTACHED UNITS THAN 15 FT MINIMUM SPACING BETWEEN THE GROUPINGS OF THE ATTACHMENT UNITS. SO THAT IS REFERENCING THAT IS REFERENCING. UM. LIKE A TOWN HOME. HOW LONG
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COULD THAT INDIVIDUAL UNIT B OR NOT THE INDIVIDUAL UNIT, BUT THE GROUPINGS OF UNITS, UM SO THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO ADD IN SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE THAT WAS MISSING. AND THEN FOR JUST CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY USED IN IN OUR TYPOLOGY CHARTS RELATED TO THE SETBACKS. SO, UM, WITH. FRONT LINE EASEMENT AND RIGHT AWAY SAYING, OR IS IT THE LESSER OF THE THREE OR THE GREATER IN THE THREE KIND OF DEPENDS. UM WE WOULD JUST HAVE THAT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE COULD SAY. SAY IF THERE'S THE RIGHT AWAY, AND THEN MAYBE AN EASEMENT, BUT THAT EASEMENT IS HAS UTILITIES IN IT THAT ARE NOT AS SIGNIFICANT. THEN WE CAN SAY OH, YOU CAN GO TO THE RIGHT AWAY AND YOU COULD BE WITHIN THAT EASEMENT. OTHER TIMES. THERE'S UTILITIES IN THERE AND WE SAID, YOU HAVE TO STAY OUT OF THAT EASEMENT. UM SO IT JUST IT KIND OF DEPENDS. WE'VE HAD A COUPLE VARIETIES COME THROUGH RECENTLY . UM AND SO WE KNEW THAT WE REALLY NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THIS SO MR CHAIR. UM SO UM JEFF, THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE, I THINK WOULD BE ASIDE LOT SIDE A LOT LINE. WE'VE WE HAD IT ON.IT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, SCOOTERS APPLICATION. WE ACTUALLY IT WAS ON A CORNER LOT EASEMENTS IN BOTH. ON THE ONES THAT ARE BOTH, WHICH WERE TECHNICALLY FRONTAGE IS THE ONE EASEMENT WAS A CITY EASEMENT, AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO GET DEVELOPED WITH SUPER LINES GOING THROUGH THERE, SO WE WERE OKAY WITH PUTTING THE BUILDING CLOSER TO THE EASEMENT AND PUSHING THE DRIVEWAY LINES INTO THAT EASEMENT. UM AND THEN IN THE FRONT, THERE WAS A BIGGER EASEMENT. SO WE TRY TO KEEP IT OUT OF THAT EASEMENT BECAUSE THERE ARE UM, UTILITIES THAT ARE RUNNING IN THERE, AND I THINK THOSE WERE NUNS, NON CITY UTILITIES ALSO, SO WE'RE WE DIDN'T FEEL AS COMFORTABLE, SO THERE'S KIND OF A VARIETY OF SITUATIONS THAT HAVE COME UP RECENTLY. SO OKAY, SO I'M JUST THINKING, UM OF A FRONT SETBACK. YOU GOTTA STREET ALONG. RIGHT STREET AND MILL VALLEY. AND YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT AWAY LINE. AND THEN YOU MAY WELL HAVE A CENTURY SEWER THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED JUST OUTSIDE THAT RIGHT AWAY LINE, AND THERE MIGHT BE A 50 FT EASEMENT OR 15 FT EASEMENT BEYOND THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE. SHOW IN THAT SITUATION , WOULD YOU WITH A SETBACK BE MEASURED FROM THAT RIGHT AWAY LINE OR FROM THAT IS MY LINE DEPEND MIGHT DEPEND WHAT'S IN THAT EASEMENT. IT WOULD DEPEND HOW COMFORTABLE ENGINEERING IS WITH. IN THEY WOULD HELP TO DETERMINE WHICH OF THOSE LINES WE WOULD USE. MHM. SO IT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'LL HAVE. UM I LOST MY MOUSE HERE, UM THAT'S WHERE WE WILL HAVE THAT TERMINOLOGY THAT WE WILL ADD AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH TYPOLOGY CHART THAT JUST STATES THE STARTING POINT POINT FOR THE SETBACK LINE MEASUREMENTS SHALL BE DETERMINED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND WE WOULD WORK WITH AN APPLICANT, YOU KNOW. TO SEE WHAT THEY PREFER AS WELL AND THEN KIND OF TAKING SOME OF THOSE EXISTING UTILITIES INTO CONSIDERATION EXAMPLE THAT I THREW OUT THERE COULD AFFECT THE WHOLE STRING OF THEM. UM NOT JUST AN ISOLATED, CORRECT AND WE'RE SEEING THIS MORE. UM I GUESS IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT VERSUS LIKE A NEW PLAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SO. YEAH THAT LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE WITH LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL IS THAT'S THE SETBACK THAT CAN'T BE ANY CLOSER THAN THAT, WHERE THE BILL TO LINE FOR THE COMMERCIALS WERE TRYING TO GET THEM TO STARTING AT THAT LINE, TRYING TO PULL THEM CLOSER, AND WE DON'T WANT TO PUSH THEM BACK FARTHER AWAY FROM THE ROAD, SO IF WE HAVE SOME LEEWAY HERE, UM, ON THIS, WE HAVE THAT OPTION TO GET THEM CLOSER TO THE ROAD, THEN THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE. SO IT WAS LIKE SCOOTERS WITHOUT ESMA WERE ALLOWED TO GO INTO IT, SO THEY MET THE ONE SIDE OF THE OF THE 25 FT. SECTION OF THE EASEMENT ABILITY LINE FROM THE EASEMENT, BUT FROM THE RIGHT AWAY, THEY WERE LIKE 50 FT. AWAY FROM IT. BUT FROM THE EASEMENT, THEY COULD BE WITHIN 25 FT. BUT THEN ON THE FRONT ON THE STATE AROUND 31 SIDE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO. BECAUSE OF THAT EASEMENT HAD UTILITIES IN THERE. WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH. IT ALSO HELPS US TO MODIFY SOME OF THOSE VARIOUS REQUESTS, SO, ADDING IN LIKE MAKING SURE THE EASEMENTS IN THERE OR THE RIGHT WAY, OR, UM IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE LIKE IF THEY MET THE SET THE BUILDING LINE BASED ON THE EASEMENT THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO GO GET A VARIANCE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, UH, EASEMENT WITHIN OUR TYPOLOGY CHART, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE THEM BECAUSE THEY'D
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ACTUALLY BE AT 50 FT FROM THE RIGHT AWAY. WHEN YOU ESTABLISH A BUILDING LINE. AH 25 FT FROM THE RIGHT AWAY LINE, FOR INSTANCE. DO THEY HAVE TO BUILD TO THAT LINE OR CAN THEY SIT BACK FURTHER? IT DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER OF STORIES IF IT'S ONE STORY, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY GET TO THAT TONIGHT. IF IT'S ONE STORY, THEY COULD GO 0 TO 5 FT. FROM THAT LINE. AND IF IT'S TWO STORIES ENOUGH, I THINK IT'S 10 FT AND THREE STORIES IS THREE STORIES OR MORE WOULD BE 15 FT.SO THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE. UM. WELL, I THINK ONE OTHER QUESTION WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MAXIMUM CONTINUOUS FRONTAGE. I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S UM IF WE HAD A SAY YOU HAD US FOR A ROPE. OF TOWN HOMES, AND THERE WERE SIX UNITS IN THE SIX HOUSES IN THOSE TOWN HOMES. WE WOULD NOT WANT THAT LENGTH OF THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING TO BE MORE THAN 200 FT. LONG OR MORE THAN 185. OKAY AND THEN THE SPACING BETWEEN THOSE GROUPINGS OF BUILDINGS WE WOULD WANT EITHER AT 20 FT, OR 15 FT. OKAY? HER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. WE'RE I'M SORRY. WHO ARE YOU KNOW? I HAVE? THANKS I JUST HAD A QUESTION. UM SO IN THE CASE OF THE ASTERAS WHERE WE'RE GIVING IT SEEMS LIKE, UM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS AUTHORITY TO MAKE JUDGMENT IS THAT IN YOUR OPINION , IS THAT WHAT'S EXERCISE TODAY? OKAY SO WE'RE ADDING LANGUAGE THAT CLARIFIES YOU HAVE THAT I BELIEVE IN SOME OF THE TYPOLOGY CHARGE THAT STATES UM I THINK SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF AT THE DISCRETION OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WE'RE JUST MAKING IT UM ACTUALLY, WE DON'T WE HAVE THAT IT JUST STATES. IT STATES RIGHT AWAY OR EASEMENT, BUT WE WANT TO ADD IN THE TERMINOLOGY THAT IT'S UP TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON WHICH IS USED. OKAY, KINDA. MORE OR LESS . THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY.
IT'S JUST CLARIFYING WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY. UM YEAH. IS THERE EVER LIKE IF WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT WORKS IN MARYSVILLE TODAY? IN 10 YEARS FROM TODAY WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. MAYBE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WOULD THEY HAVE LIKE THE ABILITY TO EXERCISE JUDGMENT DIFFERENTLY? I MEAN, I THINK THEY WOULD, BUT LIKE SHOULD THERE BE SHOULD THERE BE LIKE GUIDANCE ON GIVING LIKE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT SAY , OR SHOULD WE? SHOULD WE STRENGTHEN THAT STATEMENT, IN OTHER WORDS LIKE TO SAY. TO ALSO INCLUDE SOME SORT OF INTENT LIKE THAT'S THAT'S THE THOUGHT THAT COMES TO MY MIND. RIGHT? FOR INSTANCE, IF SUCH DECISION IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. PUBLIC UTILITIES. YEAH MAYBE. LIKE UTILITIES.
PUBLIC UTILITY. YES SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LIKE JUST SOME SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE IN TERMS LIKE MEASURED BASED ON AT THE DISCRETION OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, BASED ON, UM PUBLIC UTILITIES, OR, UM, AND THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WHY WE HAVE IT IN HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THOSE EASEMENTS. IF IT'S A CITY EASEMENT THAN THE CITY, THE ENGINEERED ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS IT KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THERE AND KIND OF HAVE THE LONG RANGE PLAN OF IT IS A SUPER EVER GOING TO GO IN HERE OR ARE THE WATER LINES THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THIS WAY? UM THEY HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE, SO IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS WITH THEM AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION. TO HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF VARIANCES AS POSSIBLE. FOR THOSE THAT BACKS. BUT YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL IN TERMS OF WHAT I WOULD ADD, BUT LIKE, I GUESS, LIKE STEPPING BACK. I MEAN, WE'RE STATING WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. UM AND WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING YET, SO THAT'S I'M FINE WITH THAT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, HE SAID, IT JUST DOES OR AND SO IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE ANY DIRECTION ON WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION, WHETHER IT'S JUST THE APPLICANT OR IF IT'S THE CITY, SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO ADD THIS ASTERIX IN THERE THAT THE CITY IS THE ONE THAT DETERMINES THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THOUGH. OVERALL. I THINK I'M OKAY. OKAY? THANKS, TAYLOR. COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. CITIZEN COMMENTS. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR STOELTJE? YES. MR STILIAN. MR NICHOLSON? YES BERBICE? YES MR WOLFOWITZ? YES MR HUNTER AND MR FISCHER? YES HMM. SO MOVED NEXT
[4. To hear an application regarding Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code District Typology Charts from Sections 1121.07, 1121.08, 1121.09, 1121.10, 1121.11, 1121.12, 1121.13, 1121.14, 1121.15, and 1121.22.]
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ITEM ON THE AGENDA HERE. AN APPLICATION REGARDING THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT. TWO PART 11 ZONING CODE DISTRICT APOLOGY. CHARTS FROM SECTION 11 21.7 H NINE 10. 11 12 13, 14, 15 AND 22. SO THESE ONES WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH JUST THE LOT COVERAGE. KIND OF WHAT? WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. SO AFTER WE EXAMINED THE DEFINITION AND INCLUDING, UM SOME OF THAT HARDSCAPE MATERIAL THROUGH THAT CALCULATION, UM WE WANTED TO RE EXAMINE WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY HOW WE ARE CURRENTLY CALCULATING THE PERCENTAGE IS REQUIRED. SO WE HAVE ADDED IN SOME MODIFICATIONS. UM SOME OF THESE, SO WE REMOVED THE TERM, INCLUDING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE DEFINITION NOW, SO WE DON'T NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE TYPOLOGY CHART. UM FOR S C D. WE WENT TO 70% ACROSS THE BOARD. UM FOR A R D. WE FELT LIKE WE COULD LEAVE THAT AT 30. VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL . WE DETERMINED THAT 60% SEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR THAT. BASED ON SOME, UM KIND OF CALCULATIONS OF EXISTING PARCELS. N. C. D THAT IS REMAINING THE SAME. WITH THE REMOVAL OF THIS PORTION. IN THE TEXT. UM. HOSPITAL NEXT USE DISTRICT. WE WILL GO TO 70% FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, AS WELL AS MIXED USE AND OFFICE. L M D WE WOULD GO. WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THIS TO GO FROM 60% TO 70. AND OUR EMU. REGIONAL MIXED USE DISTRICT. WE WILL GO TO 80% FOR COMMERCIAL OFFICES, 70% MIXED USE AND MULTI FAMILY WILL REMAIN THE SAME. AND THAT CONCLUDES KIND OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS OF THE BLOCK COVERAGE PERCENTAGES. COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. MR CHAIR. UM. QUITE A FEW OF THOSE CURRENTLY HAVE NO MAX. REQUIRED DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WHY? THERE WAS NO MAXIMUM. THAT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT WE WENT WITH WHEN WE DID THE NEW ZONING CODE. UM, WE DO HAVE UM 10% I BELIEVE. OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR A LOT OF THOSE SO WE WANTED TO REVISIT THEM IN JUST PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE TWO, SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE SETBACKS THERE, PLUS MAYBE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN SPACE ON SOME OF THOSE PARCELS. WELL I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING THAT THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A JUSTIFICATION FOR NO REQUIREMENT THERE AND NOW WE'RE IMPOSING. 60% OR 70. AND THAT SEEMS LIKE A MAJOR CHANGE. YEAH, WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH AND I GUESS SINCE GETTING SOME APPLICATIONS LIKE THROUGH DRB AND STUFF AS WELL, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER GUIDANCE ON WHAT THOSE TYPICAL LOT LAYOUTS ARE STARTING TO LOOK LIKE ALSO, UM SO THAT'S WHY WE FELT LIKE COMFORTABLE GOING FROM NO, MAX. BESIDES SATISFYING YOUR SETBACKS TO MODIFYING IT TO THESE PERCENTAGES. WOULD WOULD IT MAKE ANY SENSE? UM IN LIGHT OF THE. THE CHANGES IN THE GLOSSARY REGARDING LOT COVERAGE. UM. WOULD IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO IF WE HAVE 40% FOR INSTANCE, A LOT COVERAGE MAXIMUM COVERAGE TODAY. AH! CHANGING THAT TO 50.TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. THE EXPANSION OF THE UH, YOU KNOW, COVERAGE DEFINITE. SO UNDER SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO LIKE SRD PEOPLE THAT APPEAR SO WE'RE IT'S 40% HAS REMAINED BESIDES COMMUNITY CENTER 60. THAT'S TOTALLY UP FOR DISCUSSION. WHEN WE HAD DONE SOME CALCULATIONS OF EXISTING SITES, WE WEREN'T NEAR THAT 40% SO THAT'S WHY WE FELT COMFORTABLE MAINTAINING IT, BUT THAT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. THEY'RE JUST SO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, SO WHEN YOU'RE
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TALKING ABOUT CALCULATIONS, SO YOU TOOK THE PERCENT COVERAGE OF A BUILDING PLUS A DRIVEWAY PLUS A DECK CORRECT. AND THEN WE EVEN ADDED LIKE OKAY, SAY THERE'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE SIDE AS WELL. WHAT PERCENTAGES WERE YOU LIKE? WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS WERE YOU LOOKING AT? OR PERCENTAGES. WERE YOU COMING UP? WE KIND OF WE TOUCHED ON, UM, A FEW NEIGHBORHOODS. YES. DO YOU KNOW THE AVERAGE OF COVERAGE. OVERALL LIKE WE WERE MAYBE AROUND. LESS THAN 40% LIKE 30% ROUGHLY, OKAY, SO THERE'S A LOT OF LEEWAY. YES, STILL AND SAME WITH COMMERCIAL. WHAT DO YOU KNOW THE AVERAGE FOR COMMERCIAL I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE AVERAGE FOR COMMERCIAL, OKAY? BUT DO YOU FEEL THAT IT IS BELOW 70? COVERAGE. YEAH, YEAH. WE DON'T SO. MODIFYING THIS. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MANY LIMITATIONS . UM SO WE SELECTED PERCENTAGES WE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT PEOPLE COULD STILL MEET. ACTUALLY IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT . I THINK YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HALF THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU INVESTIGATED HAD THIS EXPANDED BLACK COVERAGE DEFINITION. DID YOU LOOK BEYOND TO SEE WHAT KIND OF LOT COVERAGES THEY REQUIRED? YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT, UM WE LOOKED AT THE DEFINITION WE DIDN'T CHECK THEIR LOCK COVERAGE THAT THAT'S A GOOD REFERENCE. UM. IF YOU WANT US TO GO BACK AND INVESTIGATE THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY AN OPTION.ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. ARE YOU AT THE POINT WHERE YOU FEEL THAT ADDITIONAL RESEARCH IS NEEDED FOR YOU TO YEAH, INDIVIDUAL, BUT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, I MIGHT FOR THIS, THIS ONE THAT DEALS WITH LOT COVERAGE. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WARRANTED TO DO THAT'S FINE. LITTLE MORE WORK ON THAT LITTLE MORE HOMEWORK. ARE THERE CERTAIN ONES THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH OR LESS COMFORTABLE WITH? WHAT DO WE ASKING THEM TO? ALL OF THEM? ARE YEAH. UM YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. I, UM. I SUPPOSE. JUST IN GENERAL, I SUPPOSE I'D BE MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY ONES, OKAY, AND WE CAN PULL LIKE WE CAN SHOW YOU A REFERENCE OF A COUPLE LIKE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS FOR EACH DISTRICT. ALSO JUST TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS LIKE THE R D. THIS IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY KIND OF ROUGHLY LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE WE'RE GETTING, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. LOOK INTO THAT. AND WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES ALSO. THANK YOU, OKAY. AT THIS TIME. EMOTIONAL TABLE IS THAT CORRECT STUDY OF CITIZEN COMMENTS AND I GOT YOU. SUSAN COMMENTS. OKAY SO I MEAN, IT IS UP TO US WHETHER WE AS THE GROUP WENT TO THE TABLE OR A PROOF, UM WELL, SH EVER IS THERE A MOTION? I WOULD I WOULD MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS ONE UNTIL THE NEXT OR A FUTURE MEETING WHENEVER YOU ALL WANT TO BRING IT BACK? OKAY BUT WITH A FOCUS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY YES, EXAMPLES. WE MIGHT TAKE A LOOK JUST AT THE COMMERCIAL. ALSO WHILE WE'RE EXPLORING THAT, TOO, I DON'T THINK THAT CAN HURT HIS POLL. SOME LIKE RECENT DRB APPLICATIONS AND SHARE THOSE I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION OF ADMINISTRATION BEFORE WE VOTE TO TABLE. UM IS IT GOING TO HOLD UP? HOW WE MOVE THE REST OF THESE THROUGH COUNSELOR WAITING TO PRESENT THESE ALL AS A LOT OR DON'T KNOW WILL KIND OF SEE HOW WE END TONIGHT. BEFORE YOU HAVE HALF OF THEM THAT ARE GETTING TABLED, AND WE MAY WAIT, OR WE MAY START WITH THOSE HALF THROUGH COUNCIL AND THEN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. WE CAN BRING THE OTHER HALF OR WHENEVER THE OTHER HALF IS READY, SO IT WILL KIND OF SEE HOW WE UM, HOW WE END TONIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU COMING ON. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER ONES THAT ARE DEPENDENT UPON APPROVAL OF I DON'T FOR MY DECISION, WHETHER OR NOT TO VOTE FOR AGAINST TABLING WAS GOING TO BE WHETHER OR NOT ONE WAS GOING TO HOLD UP EVERYBODY AND I JUST
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WANTED TO KNOW WHERE WE WERE AT. ALRIGHT, SO WHATSOEVER. MOTION TABLE CALLED PLEASE, MR STILYAN ? YES MR NICHOLSON? YES. BERBICE? YES. MR HONOWITZ? YES MR HUNTER? YES MR FISHER AND MR STOELTJE? YES SUGGESTION MIGHT BE IF YOU DO MOVE AHEAD, UH, TO TAKE SOME OF THESE TWO COUNCIL MIGHT BE GOOD TO NOT DO THE VERY FIRST ONE THAT DEALS WITH THE DEFINITION DEFINITION. UM AND USE PERCENT. THAT 111. LOT COVERAGE ONE GETS PRESENTED. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. TO HEAR[5. To hear an application regarding Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code Section 1121.18 Uptown Commercial District (UC).]
AN APPLICATION REGARDING ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS TO PART 11 ZONING CODE SECTION 11 21.18 UPTOWN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THIS, UH, AMENDMENT WOULD BE, UM , HIGHLIGHTED THE RED. WE JUST REMOVED THE GROUND FLOOR FROM ARTISAN'S STUDIO. UM RESTAURANTS . SIT DOWN. WE REMOVE THE GROUND FLOOR, ESPECIALLY FOOD AND BEVERAGE FACILITY. WE REMOVED THE GROUND FLOOR. UM FROM THOSE PERMITTED USES, OKAY, INSURANCE, JUST REMOVING RESTRICTIONS ON THAT THESE CAN BE ON. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. AND THOSE WILL YOU KNOW IF THOSE ARE USERS ARE PROPOSED ON A 2ND 3RD FLOOR, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. SO MR. CHAIR MR. STORY QUESTION ON THE SIT DOWN RESTAURANT. WHAT'S THAT DEFINITION LIKE? ANY. HOW TIGHT IS THAT? HMM. LET ME PUT THAT. MHM TOGETHER. RESTAURANT. THE RESTAURANT. IT JUST MEANS THAT ESTABLISHMENT PROVIDING FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICES TO PATRONS WHO ORDER AND ARE SERVED WHILE SEATED AND PAY AFTER EATING TAKE OUT SERVICE MAY BE PROVIDED BROAD, OKAY? OTHER COMMENTS. SUSAN COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION TO APPROVE. GROW. CALL, PLEASE. MR NICHOLSON? YES, PURPOSE. MR. WANNA WITS? YES MR HUNTER? YES, MR FISHER. GUILTY MR STILIAN?[6. To hear an application regarding Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code Section 1121.21 Uptown Transitional District (UT).]
YES. SO MOVED. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO HEAR AN APPLICATION REGARDING ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS TO PART 11 ZONING CODE SECTION 11 21. UPTOWN TRENT TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT. SAME THING HERE, MAKING SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE PERMITTED USES, UH, THE ONE BEING RELIGIOUS PLACE OF WORSHIP. IT'S ALREADY IT WAS ACTUALLY ACCIDENTALLY DUPLICATED WITHIN HERE. SO THAT'S ALREADY WAS WAS ALREADY LISTED AS CONDITIONAL USE. UM. AND WE HAVE MODIFIED THE SCHOOL K THROUGH 12 HAS BEEN MOVED TO CONDITIONAL USE FROM PERMITTED AND THEN ADDING NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET, PERSONAL SERVICES AND RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES AS CONDITIONAL USES WITHIN UT, COULD WE REVIEW BUT I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST GOING TO ESSENTIALLY REVIEWED IT FROM OUR DISCUSSION LAST MONTH. WE WERE IN AGREEMENT AT THAT TIME. TWO FOR THE RELIGIOUS NOT TO BE DUPLICATED IN THE PRIMARY IN THE SCHOOL TO BE MOVED CONDITIONAL, OKAY? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA CORRECT? ALRIGHT, FANTASTICALLY. YEAH YEAH, UH, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON THESE CHANGES AGAIN? JUST I GUESS, COMMENT OR QUESTION THE RELIGIOUS PLACES OF WORSHIP. I UNDERSTAND IT. IT'S IN BOTH NOW. HMM. WHERE WHERE? WHERE WAS IT INTENDED TO BE? YOU KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW. UM AND I THINK LAST MEETING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT WE FELT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING LISTED UNDER CONDITIONAL USES, UM, FOR FROM THE BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, SO UM, I DON'T RECALL WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED. SO WITH IT BEING IN A CONDITIONAL YEARS CAN THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACT CHURCH THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT REQUEST TO USE THAT PARCEL FOR RELIGIOUS PLACE OF WORSHIP. BUT IF IT'S UM, AN EXISTING CHURCH, YEAH, THEY DO SOME KIND OF A MODIFICATION. THEY CAN DO AN EXPANSION. OKAY OKAY AND THE[00:45:03]
OTHER UPTOWN DISTRICTS, IT'S UNDER CONDITIONAL USE REAL PLACE OF WORSHIP SO IT WOULD KIND OF FALL IN LINE WITH THE OTHER UPTOWN DISTRICTS. COULD YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY IS TO WHAT OUR DISCUSSION WAS AS TO WHY TO MOVE K THROUGH K THROUGH 12 TO CONDITIONAL USE. I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE WE HAVE ZONING FOR WE HAVE LIKE A GOV DISTRICT GOVERNMENT DISTRICT, SO IF IT WAS GOING TO BE WITHIN UM I'M SORRY. WHAT UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL . JUST FELT IT. OKAY, UM IT SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL. MR CHAIR. I GUESS I HAVE A SIMILAR QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE EAST SCHOOL. UM. YOU KNOW THEY DON'T . THEY DON'T COVER MUCH OF THEIR PROPERTY THERE. AND WHAT IF WHAT IF THAT BUILDING WANTED TO EXPAND. WHAT KIND OF ISSUES DOES THAT CREATE FOR THE SCHOOL? ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF HAVING THEM IN CONDITIONAL YEARS. IF THEY EXPAND, AND IT'S OVER A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. UM. 25% OF COMMON TRIGGER. I THINK I THINK OURS MIGHT BE 50% OKAY FOR THE EXPANSION. UM. SO THERE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME FOR CONDITIONAL USE. UM I THINK FROM STAFFS PERSPECTIVE. IF THEY'RE ALREADY THEY'RE UTILIZING THE SITE STAFF WOULD SUPPORT THAT. NOW THE BOARD COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.BUT RIGHT? HMM IT WOULD FALL UNDER LENIN CONFORMING USE SECTION NFL MEANT THAT SECTION OF THE CODE, AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD HANDLE IT IF IT EXCEEDED WHAT WAS IN THAT SECTION, AND I WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH CONDITIONAL USE IS THAT PARTICULAR SCHOOL YOU MENTIONED IS THAT IN UPTOWN TRENDY TRADITIONAL, OR IS IT GOVERNMENTAL? I THINK IT IS UT.
UM, IT IS. YEP I THINK DIFFERENT DISTRICT CONTEST CAN STATE THAT IT BECAUSE PROHIBITIVE TO AVERT EXPAND THAT SCHOOL. I'M WORKING ON IT RIGHT NOW. IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE BETTER OFF TO LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY? ACTUALLY THAT IS NOT THAT IS VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. OKAY? SO CHANCES OF HAVING, UM HAVING A SCHOOL WITHIN UPTOWN COMMERCIAL WOULD BE PRETTY UPTOWN TRANSITION WILL BE PRETTY MINIMAL. YEAH. I CAN. I COULD MAYBE HAVE LIKE, UH, HOUSE THAT HAD OFFICES OR SOME SORT OF SECONDARY LIKE COULD FORESEE A MAKER SPACE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THEY'RE DOING A SOME TYPE OF CLASSES LIKE HANDS ON TRAINING THAT TYPICALLY WOULD BE IN A MORE DEVELOPED AREA LIKE THAT AGAIN. THAT'S GONNA BE ALLOWED UNDER CONDITIONS OF USE AND ARTISANAL WORKSHOP IS PERMITTED. YOU'RE SO CLEAN. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. YEAH. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US, MAINTAINING IT AS OR MOVING IT TO CONDITIONAL FROM THE PERMITTED LIKE A CURRENTLY IS OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. DOES IT COVER? ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FUNNY WE HAVE A RECALL. PLEASE, MISS BERBICE. YES, MR WOLOWITZ. MR HUNTER? YES MR FISHER. MR STOELTJE? YES, MR STILIAN. MR NICHOLSON? YES. SO MOVED NEXT TIME ON THE AGENDA.
[7. To hear an application regarding Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code Section 1123 Generally Applicable District Regulations.]
YOU HEAR AN APPLICATION REGARDING ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TWO PART 11 SONY CODE SECTION 11 23 GENERALLY APPLICABLE DISTRICT REGULATIONS. YEP FOR THIS AMENDMENT, THE FIRST PART OF REGARDING THE OPEN SPACE CURRENTLY IT'S LISTED UNDER THE CODE UNDER 11 23.6. H THROUGH 11 23.6 K, WHICH IS ACTUALLY LOCATED UNDER THE DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM. BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DENSITY BONUS TYPOLOGY TART . IT DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS OR ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS WAS PUT IN THE COLD. WRONG SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SEPARATE SECTION. UM SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE KINDA REQUESTING HERE AS THE MENACE. WE'RE GOING TO[00:50:02]
GET RID OF SECTIONS. 11 23.6 H THROUGH K. AND THEN START A NEW SECTION WILL GO UNDER 11 23.29.AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A, UM THROUGH E. M. AND THEN WE DID ADD, UM. WERE REMOVED BY RESIDENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE SECTIONS AND THEN WE ADDED SOME CLARIFICATIONS AND CALCULATION STANDARDS FOR THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL, UM REGARDING THE ATTENTION AND THE ATTENTION AREAS THAT THERE MAY BE CALCULATED AS OPEN SPACE IF IT PROVIDES. PLANTING MATERIAL AND USABLE AMENITIES SUCH AS BUT NOT LIMITED TO A WALKING PATH AROUND THE RETENTION, DETENTION, BASIN SEATING AREAS OR OTHER USABLE AMENITIES AS APPROVED BY A BOARD OR COMMISSION AND THEN IN COMMERCIAL RETENTION INTENTION, AREAS MAY BE CALCULATED AS OPEN SPACE IF IT PROVIDES PLANTING MATERIAL. THEN. THE HIGHLIGHTED ONE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION. UH WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT TO THE SAME LANGUAGE WAS A BOARD OR COMMISSION CAN APPROVE THAT.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE RB THAN IT WOULD ALLOW FOR DARABI. WE JUST DIDN'T CATCH THAT WHEN WE WROTE THIS UP, SO THAT'S AN AMENDMENT THAT WE WOULD MAKE TO THIS TO ADD A BOARD AND POOR COMMISSION IN THAT SECTION. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER SECTION THAT WE WOULD ADD UNDER 11 23, AND IT WOULD BE 11 23.30. THIS WOULD BE FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED FOR FEE. SIMPLE LOT REGULATIONS.
THIS IS SO IF THEY DO FEED SIMPLE LOTS AND THE DEVELOPER SPLITS THE, UM SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS DOWN THE MIDDLE. UH CURRENTLY OUR CODE SAYS, THERE'S UM 7.5 FT SETBACK. SIDE SETBACK. WELL IF IT'S SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE OR CAN'T HAVE THE SETBACK, SO THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE, SO THIS IS TO TRY TO KEEP THEM FROM HAVING TO GET A VARIANCE OR WERE PROPOSED THIS LANGUAGE UNTIL ALLOW FOR US ZERO FT. SETBACK IF IT'S WITH THE SHARED WALLS AND BENEFITS THE ELDER MOST UNITS THAN I WOULD APPLY IT TO OUR TYPOLOGY CHART FOR THE SLIDE SETBACKS.
YES SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT REALLY SPEAKS RIGHT NOW, TOO. UH, OWNER LIKE WHERE AN OWNER HAS A CONDO THAT. EACH LOT IS SPLIT UP AT THAT WALL LINE. AND WE'VE HAD ONE COME THROUGH RECENTLY THAT DID THAT, SO WE USUALLY EITHER HAVE THAT OPTION OR WHERE IT'S JUST THE PARCELS AROUND EVERYTHING. MR STOCKLEY. JUST THAT. A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS. UM. UH LET'S SEE AN 11 23 29. A. FOUR I THINK AT THE END OF THAT IT SHOULD SHOULD READ SIMILAR CONSERVATION OR ENERGY AREAS. AND THEN IN B. WHERE THE HIGHLIGHTED PLANNING COMMISSION THAT PROBABLY OUGHT TO BE. AH, PERIOD AND RECREATION ON STARTING A NEW SENTENCE THERE. AFTER WHICH ONE SORRY EXPRESSION. RIGHT THERE. AND YOU GUYS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US? MODIFYING THAT PLANNING COMMISSION TO SAY, UM, TO BUY THE APPROPRIATE BORDER COMMISSION. SURE. AND THEN IN C . WHERE REFERS TO PLANTING MATERIAL. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINED SOMEWHERE. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS? WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DEFINITIONS OF, UM. VEGETATION AND LANDSCAPE AND THE PLANTAIN PLANTINGS. YEAH. OKAY, THAT. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING BETTER WERE HARD. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING BETTER, WE'RE ALL OPEN FOR IT. SO THAT WAS WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST LANGUAGE THERE, TOO. SO UM, I THINK OUR LANDSCAPE DEFINITION INCLUDES LAWN. ONE OF THEM INCLUDES LAWN AND WE KNEW THAT IS NOT THE INTENT FOR THIS. IT'S THE INTENT IS TO SHRUBS OR PLANTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. UM SO WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A TERM THAT WE COULD USE FOR THAT. THAT. MAYBE IT'S EVEN VEGETATION OR SOMETHING HAS LAWN AND LISTED
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IN THERE, SO THAT'S GONNA BE SUBJECT TO SOMEBODY'S APPROVAL, RIGHT? YES SO THAT, LIKE AN ITEM LIKE THAT ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WOULD GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. YEAH. COOL. ALL RIGHT. OTHER THAN THE FIRST ITEM YOU MENTIONED, JUST, UM DID YOU ASK? PICK THE UPROAR TAX? I THINK I AGREE THAT THE END OF NUMBER FOUR IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S MISSING WORD. YEAH SIMILAR CONSERVATION ORIENTED AREAS. YEP THAT'S DIRECTLY FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE. SO YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY HAD. THAT DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE. DO YOU WANT US TO LOOK INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR THAT PLANTING MATERIAL OR JUST LEAVE THAT, AS IS. I THINK I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY BROAD OR.WELL DEFINED GLOSSARY. TESTS HAVE LANDSCAPED AREA. I THINK LANDSCAPED AREA HAS TURF AS AN OPTION. UM WE COULD SAY SPACE OF IT PROVIDES, UM. EVEN LANDSCAPES , VEGETATION LANDSCAPE BOARD.
YEAH JUST THE LANDSCAPE IN OUR CODE INCLUDES LAWN. UH UM. WE ALSO DEBATED ABOUT PUTTING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE LIKE 20% OF THE BIO RETENTION BOUNDARY HAS TO BE LANDSCAPED, UM, SO THAT THERE WAS ALSO SOME OTHER KIND OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THERE FOR THEM. UM. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT IN THERE AS WELL AS A REQUIREMENT. I THINK THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IS NOT GOING TO LET THEM GET BY WITH MINIMAL THE MORE I GUESS, KIND OF IF WE HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL ITEM IN THERE GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE ABILITY. ALSO TO SAY, WELL, HEY, YOU'RE YOU'RE ONLY AT 5% IN THE REQUIREMENT IS THIS. I MEAN, I WOULD BE OKAY IF YOU ALL WANT TO INSERT.
REWARDING AS SHE THINKS APPROPRIATE. OKAY? IT'S 26 20% OF NUMBER YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE. OR WAS THAT JUST A WE HAVEN'T LOOKED TOO FAR INTO THAT, UM I THINK 50% WOULD BE KIND OF A LOT TO ASK. UM BUT I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THAT PROBABLY 15 TO 20% IS MORE IS REASONABLE. UM. ALRIGHT. OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS. UH JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY TEST DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE UNITS ARE INDEPENDENTLY OWNED. VERY SIMPLE. THE SITE SETBACKS OF THE SHARED WALLS BETWEEN THE UNIT SHALL BE ZERO. FT IS THEIR INTENDED FOR TWO UNITS AND THE SAME LOT, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TWO UNITS SIDE BY SIDE, THEY WOULD THEY WOULD OWN THEIR OWN LOTS. OKAY? ARE WE LIMITING? THE QUANTITY THAT WE ALLOW THAT COMES IN WITH THAT LENGTH OF THAT BUILDING THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY GONE THROUGH TONIGHT , WHERE I WAS THE 200 FT OR THE 1 85 PERFECT WHERE THERE AND THEN DEPENDING WHAT THE WIDTH OF THOSE UNITS ARE, WHAT DETERMINE HOW MANY THEY COULD HAVE. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. COMMENTS. ALL UM, PROBABLY HAS IF I MAY HAVE LOST TRACK OF THE CONVERSATION, STEVE OR OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH HOW IT'S WRITTEN OR OR THE CHANGES WHICH THEY'VE COME IN, OKAY? COULD WE GET APPROVED, WILL APPROVE THAT WITH THE MODIFICATIONS DISCUSSED. TONIGHT THEN? YEAH ALRIGHT, SO MOTION TO APPROVE WITH MODIFICATIONS MODIFICATIONS. PLEASE. MR WALNUTS? YES, MR HUNTER. YES MR FISHER? YES, MR STOELTJE? YES MR STILIAN. MR NICHOLSON? YES, SERVICE. REMOVED NEXT TIME ON THE AGENDA TO HEAR AN APPLICATION REGARDING ZONING
[8. To hear an application regarding Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code Section 1125 Landscape Requirements.]
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CODE AMENDMENT TWO PART 11 ZONING CODE SECTION 11 25 LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. THIS ONE'S, UH, FAIRLY SIMPLE. THIS KIND OF COMES FROM OUR RECENT APPLICATION AND SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR URBAN FORESTER AND JUST CLARIFYING, UM, CHANGING DIAMETER BREAST HEIGHT, THE CALIPER GOING FROM 1.5 TO 2 INCHES AND THEN ALSO MODIFYING SOME CONSTRUCTION REFERENCE SECTIONS. OKAY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. UM. THIS IS TERMINOLOGY THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, UM I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS. SO IT'S JUST HOW YOU CALCULATE THE TREE, THE TRUNK OF THE TREE. DIAMETER GRASS HEIGHT VERSUS CALIPER WANTED TO JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR FOR WHEN LANDSCAPE PLAN COME THROUGH, UM , THAT WE WANT TO USE THE TERM CALIBER. DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD IT REFERRED TO WITH THE TREATMENT DESIGN REVIEW OF THE TRUNK. I CAN'T REMEMBER, MIKE. THANK YOU ALWAYS REQUEST TO INTO CALIPER, AND THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER TREES. OKAY. JULIE. I THINK THE DIAMETER BREAST HEIGHT IS MEASURED FROM A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE GROUND UP AND SO CALIPERS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, SO MOST LANDSCAPE PLANS COME IN AS THE SIZE OF CALIBER DON'T HAVE WENT TO THE NURSERY AND PURCHASED A TREE AND THEY'D SAY WHAT SIZE COLOR FOR TREATY YOU AND THAT WOULD BE YOUR TRUCK. OBVIOUSLY I DON'T BUY ENOUGH TRUTH. ALRIGHT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, SUSAN COMMENT, UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? THANK YOU, MR WOLOWITZ. ROCK OFFICE. MR HUNTER . YES MR FISHER? YES MR STOELTJE ? YES MR STILIAN? YES, MR NICHOLSON. MR PURVIS? YES, MR[9. To hear an application regarding Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code Section 1133.10 Design Review Standards for Office, Institutional, Mixed-Use and Commercial Building Typologies.]
WONG WITS? YES. MOVE. NEXT TIME ON THE AGENDA TO HEAR AN APPLICATION REGARDING ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TWO PART 11 ZONING CODE SECTION 11 33.10 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR OFFICE, INSTITUTIONAL MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGY IS. FOR THIS AMENDMENT CURRENTLY UNDER OUR TYPOLOGY CHART. WE JUST HAVE ONE STORY BUILDING, TWO STORY BUILDING AND THREE STORY BUILDING. BUT THERE ARE SOME LOCATIONS THAT THEY COULD HAVE TALLER THAN THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS SO WE WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO INCLUDE THREE STORY PLUS BUILDINGS. SO WE ADDED THE PLUS SYMBOL IN THERE FOR THE TYPOLOGY CHART. AND THEN UNDER SECTION 1 33 11 33.10 B TWO C.UM CURRENTLY IT WAS UNCOVERED SEATING AREAS OR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, MAYBE MAYBE PROJECT UP TO FIVE FT. CLOSER TO THE RIGHT AWAY. UM THEN, THEN THEY ESTABLISHED ABILITY LINE. UM WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT UNCOVERED SEATING AREAS MAY BE LOCATED BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE RIGHT AWAY LINE OR SIDEWALK, WHICHEVER IS CLOSER. UM LONG AS IT'S UNCOVERED. WE WANT THAT ACCESS FROM THE ROAD, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ACCESS. UM SO THIS WILL ALLOW THAT. AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THE INTENTION WAS ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS SECTION WAS CREATED. BUT THE NOTE THE TYPOLOGY THE WAY IT WAS WORDED. IT DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW FOR THAT. MYSELF I'M AGAINST ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM FROM THE BOARD. UM MR CHAIR THAT ASSUME THIS IS, UM. THIS ALLOWABLE VARIATION IS AWAY FROM TO INCREASE THE SETBACK, RIGHT, NOT DIMINISH IT CORRECT. SO ITS ABILITY LINES 25 FT. IF IT'S A ONE STORY BUILDING IF YOU GO TO 30 FT, BASED ON THIS APPLIES TO WHATEVER THEY USE, THE BUILDINGS ARE. COULD BE A ONE STORY HOME OR ONE STORY OFFICE DEPENDS ON THE DISTRICT IN THE TYPOLOGY. SO IT'LL TELL YOU IN THE TYPOLOGY CHART. IT WILL SAY FOR YOUR SETBACKS, IT SAYS, REFER TO THE BILL TO LINE IF YOU HAVE THIS BILL TO LINE REQUIREMENT. SO LIKE, UM MANUFACTURING INNOVATION DOESN'T HAVE THAT THEY JUST HAVE SETBACKS. THANK YOU LOOKS LIKE IT'S FOR OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL NEXT YEAR'S IN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. MR CHAIR. COULD I ASK WHY WE'RE SCRATCHING THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, BUT I'M SERIOUS ABOUT THAT. NOBODY LIKES HIM. UM PLEASE, UH, WHAT IS WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR THE
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ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES? BECAUSE I'M THINKING LIKE A COVERED WALKWAY OR A SOME OTHER TYPE OF ELEMENT TO THE BUILDING STRUCTURE ITSELF. IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING. AH! I THINK WHEN WE WERE. ORIGINALLY REVIEWING THIS, WE WERE THINKING MORE OF LIKE A COVERED SEATING AREA. UM. I E. YOU DO HAVE A GOOD POINT, THOUGH, ABOUT YOU KNOW IF YOU HAD IT COVERED WALKWAY OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE THAT WASN'T A COVERED PATIO JUST TO COVER LIKE A BREEZEWAY. YOU COULD HAVE THAT EXTEND FROM THE BUILDING TO THE SIDEWALK. EVEN.I THINK PART OF THAT WAS, UM WOULD WE TALKED TO A POSSIBLE APPLICANT ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO AND THEY TALKED ABOUT ADDING LIKE A CANOPY WITH THE FRONT? WELL, WE DON'T WANT THAT, TOO.
COUNT AS THE BUILD TO LINE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY THE BUILDING, BUT IT WOULD FALL UNDER BE A STRUCTURE, BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT. THEN THE USE THAT SAY OH, WELL, WE'RE MEETING THE 25 FT BILL TOO LONG, EVEN THOUGH OUR BUILDINGS 40 FT, BACK FROM THE EITHER EASTMAN OR RIGHT AWAY LINE. UM WE WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND ACCESS, SO WE WOULD LIKE THAT ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALK, BUT IT WOULD BE JUST UNCOVERED. I MEAN, WE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE TABLES WITH UMBRELLAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT SO I THINK WITH THE WAY WE'VE MODIFIED IT, MAYBE THAT WOULD RESOLVE THAT ISSUE AS WELL BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE SIDEWALK NOW. BUT JEFF'S RIGHT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE YOUR COVERED SEATING AREA OR YOUR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE AT THE BILL TO LINE AND THEN YOU'RE BUILDING 20 FT. FROM THERE, SO WE WOULD BE OKAY, THOUGH, IF IT OCCURRED FROM THE BILL TO LINE TO THE SIDEWALK. BUT WE MIGHT BE OKAY WITH THAT.
UM NOW THAT WE'VE CHANGED THAT TERMINOLOGY IN THE SECOND PART OF THE SENTENCE. SO IT'S NOT ELIMINATING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES IS JUST HOW APPLICABLE TO JUST WANT TO KNOW THE RATIONALE. I THINK JEFF CLEARED CLEARED MY QUESTION. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I THINK MAYBE WE ADD THAT BACK IN THE UNCOVERED SEATING AREAS OR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. I THINK THAT THAT LOOK, I THINK WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES WE HAD WE WERE THINKING THAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN OVERHANG. UM OR A LITTLE CANOPY WALKWAY INTO IT. UM, AND WE DON'T WANNA 25 FT. WALK AWAY OR CANOPY FROM THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BUILDING. UM BUT WE I THINK ORIGINALLY THAT WHAT IT WAS WAS SOLD BE 20 FT. FROM THESE MEANT THERE WAS ALLOWED INTO SO BE ALLOWED 20 FT FROM IT INSTEAD OF 25 FT. UM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CANOPY OR AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE THE CANOPY, AND THEN ALL OF SUDDEN IT'S DURING THE WINTER, AND THEY WANT TO PUT UP PLASTIC AROUND THAT ENCLOSE IT OR THAT BECOME MORE OF A STRUCTURE THAN ALSO COMMENT. YES MA'AM. UM IT MIGHT BE A MOOT POINT. IF WE DECIDE TO LEAVE THE LANGUAGE AS IS, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COVERED, BREATHE WAYS OR COVERED SITTING AREAS OR YOU KNOW SOMETHING YOU MIGHT ENCLOSED. I WOULD JUST BE CAREFUL WITH THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE AS AS IT'S WRITTEN, UNCOVERED, WOULD APPLY AS AN ADJECTIVE TO ALL THE NOUNS THAT FOLLOWING THE LIST. SO IF YOU MEANT LIKE AN UNCOVERED IF YOU MEANT A COVERED WALKWAY YOU'D HAVE TO CALL THAT OUT. OR IT WOULD BE AN UNCOVERED LIKE SEATING AREA OR ARCHITECTURE FEATURE. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU WOULD BE AN UNCOVERED ARCHITECTURE FEATURE. CAREFUL CHOOSING YOUR LANGUAGE. IF YOUR INTENTION IS TO ALLOW OR NOT ALLOW A COVERED WALKWAY. I THINK THE WALK AWAY WOULD BE JUST SIMILAR TO LIKE A SIDEWALK, WHICH IS ALREADY CURRENTLY ALLOWED FROM THE SIDEWALK BACK TO THE BUILDING.
THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE PICNIC AREA OR SEATING AREA OUT THERE. CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
I'M THINKING IF WE STATED FREESTANDING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. WHICH IS NOT ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, INDICATING THAT'S NOT ATTACHED THAT WAY. IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF ARTWORK OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE OR UNCOVERED SEATING AREAS MAY BE LOCATED. BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE RIGHT WAY BLIND OR CITY SIDEWALK, WHICHEVER IS CLOSER. THAT MAY ADDRESS EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS. OR AT LEAST MY CONCERNS, RATHER HAVE IT AS FREESTANDING VERSUS ATTACHED TO
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THE BUILDING. I'M NOT NECESSARILY. I'M THINKING LIKE, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE SITUATION WHERE JEFF IS SAYING, OH, WELL, WE'VE GOT THIS CANOPY THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, AND IT EXTENDS OUT 10 FT. IN THAT PUSHES THE BUILDING , YOU KNOW, STAY AWAY FROM THEM.BUT IF YOU WANTED TO COME IN AND DO SOME TYPE OF LIKE FREESTANDING COVER COVERED AREA STATUE, I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING SOME TYPE OF ARTWORK. I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT.
SO UNCOVERED SEATING AREAS OR FREESTANDING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES MAY BE LOCATED.
MHM. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT CHANGE OR EVERYONE IN AGREEMENT. AND SOME OF THIS MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE, JUST DEPENDING ON EASEMENTS THAT ARE ON THAT SIDE , TOO. BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE THEM THAT OPTION. BECAUSE I ACTUALLY GOT BROUGHT UP WITH POSSIBLE APPLICANT. THEY DID ASK US IF THEY PUT A CANOPY ON IF THAT KIND OF YEAH. THEN CONNECT, PUSH THEIR BUILDING BACK. SO THAT WAS OKAY. NO OTHER COMMENTS ON THE SIDE OF IT. SUSAN COMMENTS. AND WE'RE VERY MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGE OF LANGUAGE. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR FISHER? YES MR STOELTJE? YES MR STILIAN. MR NICHOLSON? YES THIS ? YES MR WOLOWITZ. YES MR HUNTER ? YES SO I MOVED NEXT TIME ON
[10. To hear an application regarding Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code Section 1139.06 Standards for Solar Energy System.]
THE AGENDA TO HEAR AN APPLICATION REGARDING THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT. TWO PART 11 ZONING CODE SECTION 11 39.6. STANDARDS FOR SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM. THIS IS THE LAST ONE TONIGHT. UM SO THE ONLY ITEM WE ARE REMOVING IS THE SOLAR PANELS SHALL BE INSTALLED ON THE FRONT PITCH OF THE FACADE, SO WE ARE REMOVING THAT REQUIREMENT. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF REQUESTS.VARIANCES COME THROUGH EASY A FORK FRONT INSTALLATIONS, SO WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE THAT EXCLUSION FROM THE COAST. HUH SUMMITS FROM THE BOARD AND FROM LAST MONTH WE WERE SEEM TO BE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE LIKED. REDUCING THE RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE SOLAR PANELS WANT TO GO WHERE THE SUN IS NOT. YOU KNOW WHERE WE WANT TO SEE HIM AT RIGHT. UM ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. HAVE SOME COMMENTS. SO UM, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. LIKE PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE TECHNOLOGY, IMPROVING THE AESTHETICS, IMPROVING SPECIFICALLY OVER TIME. UM. WHEN I LOOK AT THE AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ITS DESCRIPTION OF THE UPTOWN DISTRICT AND IN PARTICULAR FOR LIKE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, TALKS ABOUT AH! MAINTAINING THE FACADES AND THE BUILDINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH BEST PRACTICES OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. UM IT OUTLINES AN AREA FOR UPTOWN DISTRICT AND THEN WITHIN. I'M NOT ON DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. BUT THANKS SOME OF YOU ARE. THERE'S A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. UH IT'S THE NAME OF THAT HISTORIC UPTOWN MARYSVILLE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD DISTRICT. UM I HAVE SOME CONCERN THAT THERE ARE THERE WOULD SEEM TO BE PERHAPS HISTORIC. PRESERVATION ENTHUSIASTS WHO WOULD BE A PROPONENT OF SOLAR ON THEIR ROOFS. MAYBE, AND THEN ALSO, THERE MIGHT BE SOME THAT ARE NOT OR AGAINST THAT. AND TO ME HAVING THAT IN THIS AREA, AND IN MAYBE POINT MY KIND OF LINE OF THINKING IN ANOTHER WAY, IF HE'S YOU KNOW, SO I WANT TO BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD INTRODUCE CONFLICT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE REALLY ARE PROPONENTS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND EXCLUDING THAT AREA THAT UPTOWN DISTRICT UM, TO ME, SEEMS LIKE IT COULD ALLEVIATE INTRODUCING CONFLICT. THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS. AND I'M OPEN TO COMMENTS. ABOUT THAT. I'D LOVE TO. ADD TO THIS UM, I. PERSONALLY I'M A HUGE PROPONENT OF SOLAR PANELS. I MORE. I LOVE WHAT THEY DO FOR SUSTAINABILITY. I AM ALSO OF THE MINDSET THAT I THINK TRADITIONAL SOLAR PANELS LOOK TERRIBLE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM AS YOU MENTIONED. TECHNOLOGY IS GETTING BETTER AESTHETICS ARE
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GETTING BETTER, AND THEY DON'T LOOK THE SAME THAT THEY DID. YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AGO. CURRENTLY . THEM BEING ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN REQUIRING VARIANCES AND I KNOW THEY REQUESTED THE ADMINISTRATION AS WE'VE SEEN SO MANY OF THEM. CAN WE JUST LET IT GO? I WOULD BE A PROPONENT TO LEAVE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, AS REQUIRED A VARIANCE BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND SAY. IT HAS TO BE AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING LOOKING ONE FOR IT TO BE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE GOES THROUGH. YEAH AND BUSY. A DOESN'T THOUGH THEY CAN'T. THEY WON'T DO THAT FOR AN AESTHETIC. NO THEY'RE KIND OF LEGAL DOCUMENTATION. DO YOU MEET THIS REQUIREMENT? YES OR NO? I AM REALLY TORN. I DO AGREE THAT THEY HAVE A GREAT BENEFIT. UM BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP APPEARANCES, SO I'M THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.CHATTING ABOUT THE KIND OF UPTOWN DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES IF YOU HAVE UH, SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR HOUSE OR IF YOU'RE IN, LIKE, UH, VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO COME THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. THIS COULD FALL UNDER THAT.
MAYBE I THINK WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT. UH UM, TO DETERMINE WHETHER IF IT WERE IN THE UP TOWN OR VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IF THAT WOULD CLASSIFY THOSE TO GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. NO MATTER I GUESS WHERE IF IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT AWAY, UM SO WE COULD. COME BACK. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND COME BACK AND KIND OF DETERMINE WHAT THOSE EXACT STEPS WOULD BE IF WE HAD THAT SITUATION. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING FOR THAT UPTOWN DISTRICT THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD? MHM HAILER COMMENTS QUESTIONS THE COMMENT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE. SUMMER. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR STOELTJE? YES, MR STILYAN. MR NICHOLSON? YES BERBICE? YES MR WONG WITS, MR HUNTER AND MR FISCHER.
[11. To hear an application regarding Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code Section 1141 Administration and Procedures.]
ALRIGHT SO MOVED. SO WAS ITEM 11 REMOVED IN THE AGENDA. THAT'S ONE WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND TRY TO GET SOME LANGUAGE AND AN UPDATE FROM PROCEDURE. UM, SOME TIME FRAME THINGS MOVING FROM PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO.YEAH LEGAL YET TO GET THAT IRONED OUT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SECTIONS AND HOW WE'RE GONNA UM , IN THOSE, SO WE REMOVED THAT FORGOT TO SCRATCH THAT OFF ON THE AGENDA, BUT YOU MIGHT SEE US BACK NEXT CONFERENCE THAT ONE. IF WE FIND OUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE TIMELINES AND MAKE SURE THINGS COMING UP PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THEY GO TO COUNCIL OR KIND OF WHAT? THOSE REVIEWING THOSE CRITICAL LIKE 60 DAYS AND SUCH SO OKAY? SO NEXT TIME ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION ITEMS. SO DO WE HAVE ITEMS THAT WE WOULD
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LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH THE CITY OR VICE VERSA, OR I WOULD, UH, I WOULD HAVE ONE QUESTION ADMINISTRATION. UM. ASSUMING COUNCIL APPROVES THESE AMENDMENTS. ARE WE GOING TO? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PUBLISH THESE AMENDMENTS? ARE YOU GOING TO UPDATE THE COMPLETES ZONING CODE , HENRY? IN WHAT CODE? OKAY. OKAY? AND WILL IT BE LIKE A LOT OF TIMES THEY DO AMENDMENTS AND THEY ATTACH HIM TO THE BACK OR WILL THEY BE INCORPORATED INTO OUR ACTUAL ZONING? YEAH, EVEN ONLINE. OKAY? THE WEBSITE. CLICK HERE, BROWSE. AND I LIVE. SOME OF THE CHAPTERS AND WE'RE 11. SO THIS SECTION HERE SHOWS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY A GROUP. PDF DOCUMENT THAT YOU GUYS SAW THEM. DID THEY DONATE? BUT IF YOU COLLECT THE NEXT ONE DOWN THIS IS EVERY CHAPTER IN THEIR CATIONS. WHAT HAPPENED? WITHIN THE. NECESSARY SECTION ARE THEY GONNA BE? DIFFERENTIATED NO. OKAY SO IF SOMEBODY CHOOSES SOMEBODY DOWNLOADED, AN OLD ZONING WILL BE OUT OF DATE. OKAY? IT'S NEVER[01:20:11]
JUST BE DESCENDANTS HERE. IT WOULD JUST BE RIGHT. YOU CAN GO . TO I DO NOTICE, IT SAYS VERSION JANUARY 27TH. SHOW CHANGES ALSO, AND THAT WILL SHOW YOU SOME OF THOSE CHANGES OR CHANGES PENDING ENVIRONMENT PREVIOUS VERSIONS SO YOU CAN GET SOME OF THOSE, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE THAT JUST SO THAT PEOPLE PEOPLE THAT GO THROUGH ARE NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE UP TO DATE AND SOMEBODY MAY HAVE GONE THROUGH. TWO YEARS AGO. THEY THINK THEY KNOW ALL THE REGULATIONS AND THEN THEY'VE CHANGED, SO THAT HELPS TO CLARIFY THEM WHEN WE MEET FOR PRE APPLICATION MEETINGS BEFORE THEY SUBMIT SOME THE BORDER COMMISSION. UM SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THERE DID THEY HAPPEN? OKAY? AND IF PEOPLE CONTACT US AND EMAIL US, WE TYPICALLY WE CAN COPY THE LINK TO THAT SPECIFIC SECTION, AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHARE WITH THEM, SO WE MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE MOST UP TO DATE. EVEN IF THEY BEEN SOMEBODY THAT'S COME THROUGH A LOT. INQUIRE ABOUT THINGS. WE SEND THEM THE LINK RIGHT TO IT, SO THEY GET THE MOST CURRENT. ONE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS. NONE WILL MOVE ON TO THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEE[Additional Item]
REPRESENTATIVE REPORT. MR ROBBINS. REPORT I CAN'T REMEMBER . I DON'T THINK THEY WON THE ENTIRE LAST YEAR, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT. ALRIGHT SO INTERVIEW REPORT FROM YESTERDAY'S. COME HERE. YES VERY MEETING YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE UNAWARE THAT'S A SEVEN PERSON. THE COUNCIL HAS TO CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS. DONALD BURGER AARON CARPENTER MYSELF PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENT. UM. TWO MAYORAL APARTMENTS. BRAD LOU, CHOOSE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR ERIC PHILLIPS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. AND THEN TO COMMUNITY TO SCIARRA APPOINTMENT, ANTHONY WELL, WHOSE PARTNER AND SCHULTZ COX, WELL AND SOUTH MAIN STREET , KATIE CROCK, O, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES OR BUSINESSES UP ON NORTH MAPLE STREET. UM. THEN TERRY EMERY CITY MANAGER IS HOUSING OFFICER. THERE'S SEVERAL STAFF REPRESENTATIVES ANDREW WEAVER COUNTY AUDITOR AND HER RIGHT HAND PERSON, DARLENE BRUCE, WHO SPECIALIZES IN REAL ESTATE. AND THEN, UH, TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS THAT WORK FOR ERIC SAVANNAH, ALAN LUK FLEMING. AND WE HAD, UM, THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO COMMUNITY. UM REINVESTMENT AREAS ONCE AN OLD ONE THAT WAS CREATED IN THE EARLY 19 EIGHTIES, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GENERALLY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR THE CENTRAL PART OF TOWN, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS A FAIRLY NEW ONE. THAT'S OUT INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY. INNOVATION. UM. FACTIONALIZATION YES, I DIDN'T THERE. I'M NOT ANYTHING. IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT. I THINK. ANY OTHER WERE, UM C FOUR THERE ARE 16. ITEMS ON THE AGENDA YESTERDAY. TWO OF THOSE WHO ARE IN NEWER C R A AND THE OTHER 14. WE'RE ALL IN THE ORIGINAL CR A. THOSE WERE ALL, UH APPROVED CONTINUE THE TAX ABATEMENT FOR ANOTHER YEAR. MOST OF THOSE ARE SEVEN YEAR TAX ABATEMENTS SO DEPENDING ON WHEN THEY STARTED THERE WILL BE ONE OR TWO. I THINK THAT COME OFF AND MAYBE 2025 ANOTHER 1 26 27 28. DON'T ANY QUESTIONS? MHM I FORGET HOW OFTEN DO YOU MEAN MONTHLY ONCE A YEAR GENERALLY. COULD HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS. I DON'T WANT TO PASS YOU UP. NEXT STAND UNDERSTAND? MEETING LASTED FOR ABOUT 35 MINUTES YESTERDAY. HMM. ALRIGHT. ANOTHER. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER PORTS REPRESENTATIVE. ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO INDIVIDUAL[COMMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS]
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. YEAH, MR HUNTER. TODAY'S MY DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY. SHE'S 10 LOOKING[01:25:03]
FORWARD TO SEEING HER PLANE. CUTE GIRLS. THAT'S ABOUT IT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. YEAH, THANKS.MR STARTING. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT. MR FISHER. NO COMMENT ROLE. WHAT'S DON'T HAVE THE COMMENTS. NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. IT'S PURPOSE. WELL, NOW I JUST HAVE I HAVE TO SHARE. I TURN 40 NEXT WEEK FOR YOU. IT'S ALL DOWNHILL FROM THERE. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AND I HAVE NO COMMENT. SO UM, MOTION TO ADJOURN LIKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALRIGHT? UM EVERYONE OKAY. I PROPOSED. YEAH I VERY NICE
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