Sep 25, 2023 City Council

[CALL TO ORDER]

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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE SEPTEMBER 25TH 2023 MAJOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER AND I FEEL VERY HEAVY STANDING AND THANK YOU ALL KNOW THE DEAL. BY ONE OF THE UNITED STATES. ONE NATION. YEAH OKAY. MAYBE GOD'S WE ASKED YOU TO GUIDE US THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING AS WE SEEK TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY OF VENEZUELA AND ITS CITIZENS. AMEN. SPEAKING OF THINGS, ALAN SEYMOUR. PRESIDENT DEBORAH GROTE. PRESENT BURGER HERE, HANK BURBEY, MARK CREAMS, AARON CARPENTER AND JR RASHES EXCUSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS, ONE OF

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[PROCLAMATION]

AND WHEREAS 20 POST CENTURY MANUFACTURING REQUIRES RESEARCH , INVESTMENT AND WORKFORCE WITH HIGH TECH SKILLS AND WERE THUS THE TOP THREE OF THE TOP 10 LARGEST EMPLOYERS IN UNION COUNTY, MANY PICTURES EMPLOYING 8600 EMPLOYEES. OVER 650,000 OHIOANS EMPLOYED IN MANUFACTURING NEARLY 13% OF OHIO OF OHIO'S TOTAL EMPLOYMENT AND NEARLY 20% OF ALL EMPLOYMENT IN UNION COUNTY. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF MAYSVILLE AND UNION COUNTY JOINTLY RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF RAPING MANUFACTURING SECTOR AND WATCH THE PURE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND BUILD A FUTURE WHERE I WAS CITIZENS WE TAKE PRIDE IN RECOGNIZING OCTOBER 2023 AS MEN AFFECTING MONTHS CELEBRATING THE MANY NOTABLE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT MANUFACTURERS AND EMPLOYEES MAKE THE ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE CONTRIBUTION TO OUR ECONOMY. AND NOW THEREFORE BE. IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE MONTH OF OCTOBER 2023 IS HEREBY DESIGNATED MANUFACTURING MONTHS IN THE CITY OF MAYSVILLE AND UNION COUNTY, OHIO. AND WE URGE ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO MARK THIS OCCASION AND THE BRITISH SHIP EIGHT IN ITS OBSERVANCE SIGNED THE 20TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER. 2023. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE MOTION TO ADD THIS TO THE MINUTES IF POSSIBLE.

OH, I WOULD LIKE. TO HAVE THIS PROCLAMATION MAKE THE MOTION TO HAVE PROCLAMATION ADDED TO THE MINUTES. OKAY? WONDERFUL IN ALL IN FAVOR. HIGH WONDERFUL, OKAY? GET ON ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS.

[ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT]

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THERE IS KIND OF THE DAY IS KIND OF SET UP AS ELLEN CARTER'S DAY . BUT IF YOU WANT TO STOP IN ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10 AM AND THREE PM AT CITY HALL TO WISH HER WELL THIS THIS WILL BE WRAPPING UP HER LAST WEEK WITH THE CITY AND SHE'S JUST BEEN A PHENOMENAL EMPLOYEE. AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT BOTH THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE DONE FOR US. SO JUST MORE FOR YOUR INFORMATION, AND I'LL SHIFT DOWN TO JEREMY FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. THANKS, TERRY. IT'LL BE DEFINITELY TOUGH TO TOP THAT. BUT AH, IN OUR STREETS DIVISION . CITY CREWS CONTINUE TO PROCESS TOPSOIL AND WE'LL START GRANTING DEMOLISHED CONCRETE IN THE BACK FALL LATER THIS WEEK FROM THE PARKS DIVISION, CITY CREWS CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE PICKLE BALL COURTS AT GREENWOOD PARK AND PAVING OPERATIONS ON THE JIM SIMONS TRAIL WILL START TOMORROW . THAT WORKS GONNA OCCUR FROM A CENTURY OF 33 OVERPASS. TO THE SCHWARZKOPF PARK SOCCER FIELD, SO THAT'S A THOSE TRAILS WILL GET SOME MUCH NEEDED. TLC ALSO A DRAFT OF THE URBAN FORESTRY MASTER POINT IS UNDER REVIEW BY CITY STAFF. MY FINAL UPDATE. INOPERABLE CHRISTMAS STAR HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE TOP OF THE HERITAGE SILOS, SO IT'S DOWN LOCATED. WE'VE GOT IT CURRENTLY ARE DIAGNOSING THE MOST FEASIBLE STEPS MOVING FORWARD TO REPAIR, MAYBE POTENTIALLY REPLACE THIS SIGNATURE FEATURE OF THE UPTOWN SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT, AND WE'LL PROVIDE UPDATES AS AS WE RECEIVE THEM. AH! THAT BEING SAID ALTERNATIVE TO KYLE FOR SOME UPDATES ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THANKS JEREMY, THE STATE ROUTE 31 CREEK, THE AROUND ABOUT PHASE TWO. CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES THIS WEEK. LAST WEEK, WE STARTED IT AND HAD TO MAKE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS WITH A DETOUR ROUTES JUST TO GET EVERYONE KIND OF UP TO SPEED ON ON WHERE THEY NEED TO GO, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT DETOUR AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES WILL MAKE THOSE CHANGES. UM ELMWOOD AVENUE

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CITY HALL PARKING LOT ARE CONTRACTORS IN THIS WEEK DOING ELECTRIC WORK AND SAW THEY WERE PUTTING SOME SUB BASE DOWN, IMPROVE ROLLING FOR ASPHALT PREPARATIONS ALSO SAW TOPSOIL OVER THERE AS WELL. SO LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL DEFINITELY WILL KNOCK KNOCK ON ONE HIT THAT AND END OF OCTOBER DAY TO OPEN UP THE PARKING LOT. UM AND THEN LAST, BUT NOT LEAST, THE PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY EXTENSION PROJECT, SO THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN PROJECT AND TALK TO THE DEVELOPER. TODAY THEY'RE STARTING ELECTRIC WORK FOR THE STREETLIGHTS THIS WEEK.

AND THEY STILL KEEP SAYING THEY HELP TO HAVE THE ROAD OPENED UP BY THE END OF OCTOBER. THOSE ARE ALL THE UPDATES WE HAVE AT THIS TIME. OKAY WONDERFUL QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION OR THE ENGINEER DEPARTMENT. YES DEFECTION PARKWAY. AND YES, IT LOOKS GREAT. GRILLED IT. YEAH ABOUT OVER A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION. ACCESS TO CONTINUE CONSTRUCTION. SO THERE'S THERE IS AN ALTERNATE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE. UM BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME DRIVE ENTRANCES OF PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY, SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND MAKE SURE THAT NEW ROADWAY DOESN'T YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU. WE WAITED THIS LONG WITHOUT PROFESSIONAL PARTICLES. SO IF WE NEED TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT LONGER, UM, TO MAKE SURE THE CONTRACTORS DON'T DAMAGE THAT.

THAT NEW ROAD. I THINK IT'S OKAY . EXCITED. HER. SHE BROKE YEAH, I AGREE. YEP. AND YOU HAD A QUESTION, MARK. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IT LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT STILL NEED BILL TO WORK ON TRAFFIC RIDING ON 31. I GOT A PICTURE TODAY OF A SEMI HEADED SOUTH AT THE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH MEANT THEY HAD DRIVE AWAYS GOING DOWN. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED A BUNCH LAST LAST WEEK AS WELL. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A ROAD BARRICADES SIGN THAT BLOCKS THE ENTIRE LANE. UM WITHOUT HAVING A PERSON OUT THERE. 24 7 STOPPING , YOU KNOW VEHICLES FROM COMING DOWN. I DON'T KNOW. HOW ELSE WE PREVENT? DRIVER. JUST COMPLETE, RECKLESS DRIVING, YOU KNOW BEHAVIOR AS IT'S KIND OF TOUGH TO STOP THAT. IT'S A YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. ONCE THEY GET PAST THAT IT'S CLEAR, RIGHT? ONCE YOU GET PAST THE FIRST BARRIER THEY'RE CLEAR ALL THE WAY IN RIGHT. THERE'S ONCOMING TRAFFIC COMING NORTH BONG SO AND WE ARE INSTALLING. MAYBE IT GOT PUT UP LATE LAST WEEK. IRAQ WRONG WAY SIGN. SO IF YOU GO PAST WE'RE PUTTING THE WRONG WAY. SIGN UP. SO YOU SEE THAT YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY. UM YEAH. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A BUNCH LAST WEEK BECAUSE IT HAPPENED WAY MORE THAN WE EXPECTED. UM KNOWING THAT IT SAYS ROAD CLOSED DETOUR LEFT. UM BUT WITHOUT HAVING SOMEONE STAY OUT THERE. 24 7. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU START DRIVER BEHAVIOR. I HEARD ABOUT THIS HAPPENING ON ANOTHER PROJECT EARLIER THIS SUMMER, TOO. AND THE TRUCKS ARE JUST GOING AROUND , IGNORING IT, AND THEN THEY FIND THEMSELVES. KIND OF STOCK IN ORDER. YEP OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST HAD JUST JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. OPTION IS FOR STORY ON THE STREET WAS DYING. I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW HOW CONTRACTS WORK OR ANYTHING, BUT A LOT OF GROUND HAS SETTLED IN THE STREET LAWN. TO THE POINT WHERE SOME OF IT'S JUST UNEVEN AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALSO IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET TOMORROW. GRASS SEED DOWN IN THE STREET. IF YOU WANT THE STREET ON THERE IS VERY ACTUAL LITTLE GRASS INDUSTRY. THIS IS WHERE THE NEW SIDEWALKS WERE PUT IN. GOT IT. LIBRARY YEAH. OKAY JUST CONCERNS. I WILL SAY THAT IT WAS NICE TO SEE THE WORD STREET LAWNS OR SOIL. IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME AND THEN ALSO JUST BRINGING TO ATTENTION TO ALL OF US THAT I THINK I HAD.

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[PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT]

UH 280017045. 2800 TO 305710. TO 800 TO 1002. AND THEN THE LAST 1 TO 8001704. TO 0. THAT WAS A PROVED FIVE. YES ONE. NO AND THAT WAS AGAIN FOR THE SKETCH PLAN FOR MARYSVILLE EAST SECTION ONE THOSE WERE OUR TWO APPLICATIONS ANY QUESTIONS FOR US STREAK? OKAY NO QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE. SO MOVING ON DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS THIS MONTH. SO THERE WAS NO MEETING ALREADY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. OKAY NOW WE COME TO

[HEARING OF CITIZENS]

SO NOW THAT WE HAVE SHEETS IN, I HAVE COME THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO STEP ON MY BREAK. AND OF COURSE, DO YOU KNOW I'M PROBABLY FOLLOWING WAY TOO CLOSE, BUT I'M GOING TO AN INTERSECTION AFTER WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO TURN LEFT AT THE INTERSECTION. FEW MORE FEET. WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY TURNING ON THEIR TURNS THAT NO ALL OF A SUDDEN TO MAKE A LEFT TURN INTO SHEETS. I THINK WE NEED TO DO AWAY WITH THE LEFT TURN INTO SHEETS. IF THEY WANT TO TURN LEFT, THEY NEED TO TURN AT THE LIGHT. AND MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE THE OTHER LANE TWO STRAIGHT, BOTH ON DELAWARE AND FIFTH STREET AND ONTO COLUMBUS AVENUE , AND I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS ALREADY. UM EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A DEBATE, BUT, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE JEREMY AND KALE. UM I'M NOT ASKING SPECIFIC. THANKS THANKS FOR THE THOUGHTS. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, AND WE CAN TALK KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. THANKS ALREADY. THANKS, KATHY. MHM YEAH. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD TONIGHT? OKAY HEARING NONE. WE MOVE ON TO THE

[Res. A]

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CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO PIECES OF LEGISLATION BEFORE THE STATE. ONE IS THE BALLOT INITIATIVE NUMBER TWO, WHICH ACTUALLY WILL COME BEFORE RESIDENTS AND THE OTHER SENATE BILL NINE. UM BALLOT INITIATIVE TO ALLOWS ADULTS TO POSSESS AFTER 2.5 OUNCES OF MARIJUANA AND UP TO 15 G OF CONCENTRATES. INDIVIDUALS CAN GROW SIX PLANTS OR 12 PLANTS FOR FAMILY FOR HOUSEHOLD.

MARIJUANA IS DESIGNATED FOR ADULT USE THOSE 21 AND OLDER IT CREATES THE DIVISION OF CANNABIS CONTROL UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE. AND THERE'S A 10% TAX RATE, WHICH GETS DIVIDED FOR DIFFERENT WAYS. UM SENATE BILL NINE IS AN INITIATIVE THAT WOULD REVISE THE EXISTING MEDICAL MARIJUANA LAW. WHICH WOULD EXPAND THE NUMBER OF DISPENSARIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

AH TO ONE PER 1000 PERSONS REGISTERED. IT WOULD INCREASE THE CONDITIONS COVERED, UM, BY WHICH SOMEBODY COULD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA. AH AND THAT PUT IT MORE TO A PHYSICIAN'S DISCRETION . CURRENTLY, THERE'S A LIST OF 20 ODD CONDITIONS FOR WHICH SOMEBODY CAN GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM MEDICAL MARIJUANA. UM CREATES THE DIVISION OF MARIJUANA CONTROL UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE . IT INCREASES THE POTENCY OF THC PRODUCTS THAT ARE ALLOWED. CURRENTLY THERE'S A IT'S STOPPED AT 70% THAT WOULD ELEVATED UP TO 90% THC. IN THE PRODUCT. AND THEN IT ALSO EXPANDS THE CULTIVATION LIMITS FOR PRODUCERS. SO JUST LET US KNOW WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. UM SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER STATES AS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC SAFETY. MARIJUANA IS THE MOST FREQUENTLY DETECTED DRUG OTHER THAN ALCOHOL IN CRASH INVOLVED DRIVERS. LEGALIZING RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA WAS ASSOCIATED WITH A 6.6% INCREASE IN INJURY CRASH RATES AND A 2.3% INCREASE IN FATAL CRASH RATES. ABOUT ONE QUARTER OF FATALLY INJURED DRIVERS TESTED POSITIVE FOR MARIJUANA. AND THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH DETECTING ACTIVE MARIJUANA IMPAIRMENT. UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF AN ONGOING ISSUE.

AND YOU CAN SEE BY THE GRAPH, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO LEGALIZATION, UH, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF DRIVERS WERE WHO WERE POSITIVE VERSUS AFTER AND YOU SEE, WE GO FROM KIND OF RUNNING AROUND THAT 9% LEVEL TO ITS JUMPED UP IN 2017 TO 21.4. INCREASED CRIME. THIS IS FROM HIGH DENSITY DRUG TRAFFICKING AREAS. THIS IS PARTICULAR TO COLORADO. UM THE SEIZURES OF MARIJUANA INCREASED BY 48. AND LEGALIZATION IN THAT CASE LED TO A GREATER ILLICIT MARKET ACTIVITY. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK WELL LET'S JUST LEGALIZE IT AND TAX IT AND YOU KNOW ALL THIS CRIME WILL GO AWAY, AND THAT'S NOT PROVING TO BE THE CASE. AND SO WE JUST KIND OF WANT PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF

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STUDENTS WHO USE MARIJUANA REGULARLY TEND TO GET LOWER GRADES AND ARE MORE LIKELY TO DROP OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL THAN THOSE WHO DON'T USE. THOSE WHO USE IT REGULARLY MAY BE FUNCTIONING AT A REDUCED INTELLECTUAL LEVEL. MOST OR ALL OF THE TIME. AND HERE WE SEE EVERY DAY OVER 3000 TEENS USE MARIJUANA FOR THE FIRST TIME. IMPACT ON BUSINESS. WE SEE AN INCREASE IN INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENTS . EMPLOYEES WHO TESTED POSITIVE FOR MARIJUANA HAD 55% MORE INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENTS AND 85% MORE INJURIES. AS WELL AS THE 75% GREATER ABSENTEEISM COMPARED TO THOSE WHO TESTED NEGATIVE. WORKERS SHORTAGES. EIGHT YEARS OF DATA HAS SHOWN, PARTICULARLY IN COLORADO. HIRING SHORTAGES INCREASE IN MARIJUANA ADDICTION INCREASE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

POTENCY THIS IS NOT YOUR FATHER'S WEED. UM TODAY'S MARIJUANA COMES IN A WIDE VARIETY OF PRODUCTS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LOT OF THIS. THINK ABOUT A LITTLE JOINT OR SOMETHING, BUT MARIJUANA NOW IS IN SODAS. GUMMY STAPES BLUNTS CANDY ICE CREAM COOKIES, TINCTURES CRUMBLES, WAX AND DAD. SO IT'S. A MUCH WIDER SCALE OF PRODUCTS AND FOLKS WOULD RECOGNIZE THE POTENCY RANGES FROM 0.3% AND CBD PRODUCTS UP TO 70 OR EVEN 90% IN THE CONCENTRATES. AS THE THC CONCENTRATION INCREASES. WE SEE MORE INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING PSYCHOTIC EVENTS, HALLUCINATIONS AND PARANOIA. A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS END UP IN THE HOSPITAL. YOU ARE GETTING A VISIT FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE OF THEIR CONDITIONS. AND AND THE HIGHER CONCENTRATED THC PRODUCTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A HIGHER NUMBER OF SUICIDE EVENTS. THIS IS KIND OF VARIOUS STUDIES THAT HAVE COME OUT THAT PROOF THOSE POINTS. SUMMARY YOU KNOW, WHILE THE INDUS MARIJUANA INDUSTRY GENERATES THE COST IS BORN BY INDIVIDUALS , COMMUNITIES, BUSINESSES, MUNICIPALITIES IN OUR YOUTH. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF WEBSITES THAT ARE UP THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UM NANCY COULD ASK ONE QUESTION . SO NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A 10% TAX ON MARIJUANA. OKAY NOW FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT AND OF COURSE IT COMES. THEY SWITCHED FROM THE MEDICAL TO THE COMMERCE. THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S MONEY TO BE MADE. OTHERWISE, THE STATE WOULDN'T DO THAT. BUT FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE RECEIVE, DO YOU KNOW OF HAND? HOW MANY DOLLARS IT ACTUALLY COST US? YEAH AS AN EXPENSE TO, UM, UM, DEAL WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY. SO THE ONLY DATA THAT WE HAVE ON THAT COMES AGAIN COMES OUT OF COLORADO, AND THEY REPORT FOR EVERY DOLLAR IN TAX THEY RECEIVE. THEY HAVE TO SPEND AN ADDITIONAL $4.50 TO REGULATE MARIJUANA. OKAY SO THERE IS MANY AT THE END OF THE DAY. YEAH, YEAH, THERE IS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A MONEY MAKER, IF YOU WILL FOR PORTER STATE. RIGHT AND PARTICULARLY FOR MINUTES OF PALLET EASE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A CRASH NOW YOU GOTTA RUN A BLOOD TEST TO SEE IF

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YEAH OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALREADY SO THEN WE GET TO ANY CITIZENS THAT MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. HEARING NONE. THEN I WOULD TAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. SO MOVED MRS COAT. LOCAL PLACE, MRS GROUP. YES MR BERGER? YES MR BURBEY? YES MR REEMS? YES MR CARPENTER? YES MR SEYMOUR? YES YES. SIX. YES MOTION PASS. OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. NANCY APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP AND THANKS TO THE PUBLIC SERVICES SAFETY FOR BRINGING IT TO ALL THE ATTENTION TONIGHT AND BRINGING THE LEGISLATION FORWARD. OKAY

[Res. B]

IT'S AS EVERYONE KNOWS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTY TAX LEVIES ON CURRENTLY LEVIED. SO QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS JUST THE CALCULATION DONE BY THE COUNTY AUDITOR, AND WE'RE CERTIFYING.

THAT'S CORRECT. I BELIEVE THE COUNTY AUDITOR IS CORRECT SO I WOULD RECOMMEND PASSAGE. OKAY? ANY QUESTIONS FORBID. OKAY ANY QUESTIONS FROM CITIZENS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY HEARING NONE TAKE A MOTION TO BEST IS LEGISLATION. MR PRESIDENT MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE PASSED. RESOLUTION BE OKAY. MR CARPENTER IS THE MOTION CALLED POLICE. MR BERGER? YES MR BURBEY? YES REAMS? YES MR CARPENTER? YES, MR SEYMOUR. MRS. GROW SIX. YES OKAY. MOVING ON TO ORDINANCES ORDINANCE, A

[Ord. A]

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SO RIGHT NOW IT'S AT 40. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT EXAMPLE THERE THERE'S A DOZEN HOMES THAT ARE

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RANGE FOR RESIDENTIAL A RANGE FROM 40% TO 75% DEPENDING ON THE DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE IN. SO LIKE, SOMEWHERE TO BE R D, WHICH ARE SMALLER LOTS THERE AT 75. UM AND THEN THE BIGGER LOTS. THEY DO IT BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LOSS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT, SO THEY GO DOWN TO 40% AND MOST OF THEIR THINKING, LET'S SAY MY NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH IT THERE, YOU KNOW, AND

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FRIENDS THAT YOU CAN STILL BUILD A LARGE PATIO IN YOUR BACKYARD. YOU CAN STILL DEAL WITH ALL THESE THINGS ISN'T LIMITING ANYBODY FROM DOING ANYTHING. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS SAYING THAT NOW HAVE BEEN BUILD SOMETHING. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE LOOKED AT. LIKE SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAYS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS IF YOU WERE TO DO A NEW PROJECT, YES, THE OVERSIGHT NOW ESCAPE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE, BUT NOTHING ELIMINATING ANYBODY FROM DOING ANYTHING TO THEIR PROPERTY. IF YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT IN YOU KNOW MORE SHREDS OR PATIOS OR THINGS LIKE THAT CORRECT. THEY COULD STILL HAVE THE OPERATE WITH THE WITH THE PROPOSED PERCENTAGES. THEY COULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STILL DO THOSE THINGS AND WHEN THEY SUBMIT THAT PERMIT IS WHEN WE WOULD EVALUATE WHAT THAT LOCKE COVERAGE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT EXCEEDING THAT. TO EXAGGERATE JUST A LITTLE BIT. A RESIDENT COULD OPT TO DO NO PATIO AND PUTTING MORE STORAGE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK OR ON A ON A ON AN INFILL LOT. EXCUSE ME. ON AN INFILL LOT. UM, THEY COULD BUILD A BIGGER HOUSE TO START WITH. 70% OF THE LOT AND GO WITH NOBODY. OH, MHM. SO SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY UM. CONSIDERED AND CONCERNING OURSELVES WITH MYSELF ANYWAY, YOU SAID ONE MORE BLUNT THAN I DID BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT'S MY THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU KNOW? IT'S THE SAME THING WHEN I ALAN SAID, LIKE I DON'T WANT BACKYARD TO BECOME A THING OF THE PAST. I DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SEE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE REACHED OUT YOU KNOW, LIKE I DID WRITE SOME HUMPING UP ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S JUST YOU KNOW THE AMOUNT AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IT THIS WAY. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE PERCENTAGE OF GREEN SPACE THAT'S CURRENTLY BUT WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF GREEN SPACE 10 2030 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD TO YOU KNOW? YEAH I KNOW THE WORLD IS BECOMING DENSER AND I KNOW HOW TO BECOMING CLOSER TOGETHER. AND YOU KNOW, BUT MY FEAR IS THAT AS A COUNCIL WE HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT MARRIAGE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AFTER WE'RE NO LONGER HERE ON COUNCIL. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THE PERCENTAGE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S JUST ME. MY CITY HAT ON. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW. I WOULD JUST WE'RE LOOKING AT LOTS RIGHT NOW. BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HIM DOWN THE ROAD AND HOW, AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. BUT MAYBE I'M JUST MAYBE I JUST NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND EDUCATE MYSELF MORE ON THE ISSUE. BUT THOSE ARE JUST MY CONCERNS. YES SO ONE OF THE THINGS LIKE I

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WE ALSO WANTED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT THAT UM, THAT YOU'RE STILL MAINTAINING A LITTLE BIT THAT GREEN SPACE OR YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MULCH, BEDS, PLANTINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE WHEN I LIKE. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN I SEE THE NEW MCDONALD'S YOU KNOW ALL THE GRAPH SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG DONORS THEY PUT IN THE PARKING LOT, ALL THOSE THINGS AND, YOU KNOW I'M NOWHERE NEAR AND I DON'T HAVE A DEGREE IN HORTICULTURE BY ANY MEANS. BUT A LOT OF CITIES DON'T ALLOW ROCK ROCKS WE PUT IN NOW. IF SOMEBODY IF IT DEVELOPER COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, I'M AFRAID OF MULTI FIRES. YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT, AND YOU SEE A LOT MORE OF THAT STUFF PEOPLE ARE USING CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EXAMPLE. PROVIDED NEED TO BUT YEAH, YOU HAVE, LIKE, LET'S SAY A 2 FT ROCK BORDER AROUND ROUND OF COMMERCIAL SITE. BUT THEN THE CITIES HAVE MADE THE GREEN SPACE AROUND THE BUILDING LARGER NOW TO COVER UP THAT ROCK, BUT LIKE ROCKS IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW THEY PACKED DOWN THE SOIL. THEY CHANGED THE PH IN THE SOIL. THEY ATTRACT HEAT, SO THEY DRY UP THE SOIL, AND SO IT'S REALLY USING. YOU SEE A LOT OF ROCKS BEING USED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL MEDIA. BUT YOU KNOW ROCKS IN GENERAL ARE NOT GOOD. OR PLANTINGS, TREES. YOU KNOW THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT CONCERN ME IS THAT I DON'T I DOING THIS? I KIND OF SEE THE GOAL, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE WHAT ARE ONE OF THE ULTIMATE GOAL. YOU KNOW, THIS IS OTHER THAN US LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT THERE'S NO WAY OF US STOPPING ANYBODY FROM KEEP DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY WOULD BE. THEY HAVE TO GET A PERMIT IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO ANY NEW PROJECTS, SO THAT'S HOW I GUESS THAT'S THAT'S THE BACK CHECKPOINT. IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING NEW THEY HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FOR THAT. ALSO AS COUNCILMAN REAMS MENTIONED BEFORE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE OF DEFINITION HAS CHANGED, AND THEREFORE ALL OVER THOSE LOTS ARE NON COMPLIANT. SO IF ANYONE IN THOSE LOTS BASED ON THE COVERAGE UP TOP ONE AND TO DO ANYTHING, THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING. SO WE HAVE TO. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE PERCENTAGES. NOW IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION LIKE COUNCIL AND SEYMOUR. SO WHAT? WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? OKAY MRS. COATES. ONE FINAL QUESTION. WHAT'S THE PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS FOR THE CITY BETWEEN APRIL AND THIS MONTH? THE CITY'S WHOLE PHILOSOPHY OF LEGEND. LEGISLATING MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WHAT IS THE WHOLE PHILOSOPHY OF THE PREMISE? THAT THE CITY. WILL LEGISLATE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE. THAT WAS ITS PREVIOUS. IT'S ALREADY IN OUR ZONING CODE. UM, I UNDERSTAND, BUT TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. SO WHAT IS THE PREMISE ON WHICH THEIR APRIL LEGISLATION WAS PASSED? AND I UNDERSTAND YOU FEEL THAT THIS LEGISLATION WOULD IMPROVE LOCK COVERAGE? I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN OPPOSITION TO WHAT THE EMAIL YOU SENT US UP. BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE PHILOSOPHICAL PRESENTATION THAT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE CAN CAN TELL? THE PRIVATE OWNER. HOW MUCH LOT COVERAGE NEEDS TO BE GREEN SPACE AS OPPOSED TO DRIVEWAYS. FOR INSTANCE, WHAT'S THE PHILOSOPHICAL POSITION THAT GIVES US AS A CITY? THE RIGHT. TO TELL PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK IN WHATEVER DEGREE FROM APRIL TILL NOW, I GUESS I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. MY QUESTION BACK WOULD BE. WHY HAVE A ZONING CODE THEN ? LIKE WHY HAVE A CODE ANYWAY TO SAYING THAT THIS IS JUSTIFYING THE ZONING CALLED ZONING CODE, AND THAT'S THE REASON TO ADD MORE LEGISLATION OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE ZONING CODE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PEOPLE CAN POUR CONCRETE ALL OVER THERE A LOT. EXCELLENT POINT. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. HMM. YEAH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE UP TO COUNSEL IF YOU GUYS WANT CONCRETE OVERALL, THAT'S THEN. I DON'T THINK OUR STORM WATER SYSTEM COULD HANDLE. YOU KNOW HER STORMWATER SYSTEM IS SIZED, YOU KNOW AND CALCULATED BASED ON LOT COVERAGE. WE CALCULATED E ARE YOU BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON

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LEGISLATION CONFLATES THE TWO HAVE WE HAD ANY DIFFICULTY WITH STORM WATER OR SEWAGE? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN THIS MEETING WHERE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO COME INTO THE MEANS AND COMPLAINED BECAUSE THE STORM WATER SYSTEM BACKED UP AND FLOODED THEIR BASEMENTS BEFORE IT GOT FIXED. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH STORM WATER. WHICH IS WHY WE INSTITUTED A STORM WATER UTILITY . YOU KNOW, WE STUDIED THE STORMWATER. WE STUDIED WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ADDRESS AND MANAGE THAT. AH YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WE'RE MAKING. WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS. BUT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WE STILL HAVE YOU SOMETHING OTHER AREA KIND OF POP UP. YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT WAS THE LUTZ COMMERCE PLAZA ON INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS THAT WE'RE HAVING THE FLOODING. IMPROVE THE STORM WATER IN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF HOMES ON HICKORY. SO YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE STORM WATER. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE I DON'T KNOW. WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH HOW WE MEAN YOUR STORM WATER. SYSTEMS FOR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND WOULD HAVE CHANGED HOW WE ENGINEER AND DESIGN ALL OF OUR STORM WATER SYSTEMS OVER THE LAST OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE SPENT APPROACHING A MILLION DOLLARS ON WATER DETENTION. AND CONTAINMENT OF WHAT WEAVER ROAD. THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN HERE. THOSE ARE VERY HUGE STORM WATER CONTROL PROJECTS THAT THE FOR WARD TO WE'RE VERY GLAD TO HAVE IT HAD IMPACT IMPACTFUL FOR ADINA POINT . I BELIEVE THAT, UM AND I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT. UM I WOULD SAY, LIKE LOOKING AT THE TWO MAPS THAT WE HAVEN'T PROMISED HERE. UM UH, TYPICAL PERCENTAGE INCREASE WITH THE NEW DEFINITIONS. PLUS OR MINUS 15. I WAS JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE THERE. IT SEEMS TO BE CORRECT. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEIR THAT MORE THAN DOUBLE ITS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF WHERE THE MOUSE POINTER IS RIGHT NOW THAT 23 IS NOW CLASSIFIED AS 47. UM I THINK THE 60% LOT COVERAGE. UH IS REASONABLE LIKE IF WE WERE TO DECREASE THAT TO ALLEN'S POINT YOU YOU'D GIVE A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS LIKE BARELY ANY WIGGLE ROOM. TO ADD ANY ADDITIONS. UM, MY OPINION, IT'S SO I THINK, YOU KNOW. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE AVERAGE IF IT'S PLUS OR MINUS 15. AND WE'RE GIVING MORE PEOPLE 20% MORLOCK COVERAGE AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH 5% WIGGLE ROOM THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE. UM ON AVERAGE, SO I THINK I THINK THE 60 MAKES MORE SENSE. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, YOU WOULD GIVE FOLKS LIKE 3% WIGGLE ROOM. IF YOU GOING TO LOWER OKAY? READY MAKES SENSE.

OKAY THERE IS ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP BECAUSE IT CAME FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

OBVIOUSLY IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, AND WE LOOK AT THE CHARIOT WAY, THERE WILL BE A CRADLE THAT COMES DIRECTLY OUT OF MELBOURNE B. WE KNOW OLDEST TREATS OUT THERE. SO IF YOU GO A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE NORDS, THERE IS CALA PLANE AND MY DAUGHTER HAS A HOUSE AND GATHER PLANE. AND UM, THE GARAGE SET A LITTLE BIT TO DECIDE, AND SHE WANTED TO PUT IN A SUN PORCH. OKAY SO CAME OUT MEASURED AND HER PERMITS FOR BUILDING. INITIALLY WAS 25% BUT THE ACTUAL FAIRNESS PRODUCT WAS 26. SO IT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER BETWEEN THE TIME THAT THE PLANS WERE SUBMITTED VERSUS MEASURING IT LATER ON, IT CAME UP TO 26% SO WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO WAS BASICALLY PUT INTO CORNERS. YEAH AND THEN SHE HAD TO GO TO B. J A NO BIG DEAL. BC A SAID IT'S A SMALL ADDITION. YEAH, WHETHER IT BE 12. ABOUT 12 FOR HOWEVER MUCH IT IS SO THAT BROUGHT IT. MAYBE 30 31. OKAY UM, THAT IS HOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS STOOD OPPORTUNITY , OR AT LEAST IT WAS WHEN SHE DECIDED TO DO THAT FIVE YEARS AGO TO GO TO B C A AND THEN PRESENTED AND BC A THOUGHT HE WAS A GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT. YEAH THIS MEANS IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF TODAY SHE

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FOR A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS, 21 OF THEM THAT WOULD BE GREATER THAN 55% FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. OUT OF OUT OF OUT OF 71 THAT WE LOOKED AT. OKAY SO THIS EXAMPLE THAT WE SAW HERE. HERE WAS DETACHED, DETACHED UNITS THAT UP THERE. YEAH SRD. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH 55 DETACHED. WHY. WE WOULD HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE CATCH. OKAY? GOTCHA.

HMM. THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION TONIGHT? OR YOU WANT TO MOVE IT TO CHANCE LOSING IT. UM IN FRONT OF HIM. IF WE NEED ALL SIX VOTES, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET ALL SIX.

OKAY I DON'T KNOW YOU WON'T BE HERE NEXT TIME. WHICH WERE YOU VOTING WILL BE HERE. OKAY OKAY.

HE WILL BE HERE. PROMISE HE WILL BE HERE. SO OKAY. I GOT MY CAMERA HERE BUT DIDN'T WANT TO OPEN IT, OKAY? OKAY ALRIGHT. SO FOR NOW WE LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS . YEAH WITH THE ANTICIPATION.

PERHAPS THAT WE WILL OVER DOWN TO 55% INSTEAD OF 60. OKAY? AND I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS QUESTIONS TO BE IN CONTACT WITH THE STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. YES ABSOLUTELY. OKAY SO THIS IS THE FIRST ONE. THIS SENSATION IS THE SECOND READING AND HE CITIZENS THAT WANT TO CHIME IN ON THIS ONE. I SHOULD JUST HAVE MY OWN MIGRATE. KATHY YOUNG FOR 25 WEST DATE. SO THIS IS A CHAIN REACTION. THEY CHANGE SOMETHING THAT THIS IS NOW HAS TO BE CHANGED. WHAT ABOUT THE STORMWATER FEES? ARE THOSE GONNA CHANGE TOO? BECAUSE I HAVE SOME STORMWATER BUILDER A LITTLE WONKY. THEY'RE NOT THE STANDARDS $7. JUST GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME. NO PLAN TO CHANGE. OKAY ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? OKAY ALRIGHT THEN, UM. WHICH WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING TITLE ONLY ON OCTOBER, THE NINTH MOVING ONTO ORDINANCE

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HOW STRESSED AND DYING BECAUSE YOU CAN CLEAR UP TO THEM ONLINE. IF YOU GO BACK BEHIND MCDONALD'S, WHERE THE WATER WITH THE WATER STARS. ALL OF THOSE TREES HAVE NOW ARE STRESS AND THEY'RE DYING OUT BECAUSE YOU CAN BUILD CLEAR UP TO THE LINE. SO FOR ADDING COVERAGE AND PROTECTIVE QUOTE UNQUOTE GREEN SPACE HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN EVENTUALLY SOMETHING WHERE THE CITY BOARD COMES OUT AND SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO RIP OFF THIS SECTION TO PREVENT EQUIPMENT. OTHER THINGS, WHICH IS NOT, WHICH IS NOT UNHEARD OF . SO MANY COMMUNITIES IN CENTRAL HIGH ALREADY DO IT. YOU JUST, YOU KNOW. DON'T DO IT HERE YET. SO THOSE THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THIS COMMERCIAL SITES AND THOSE THINGS. OKAY? ALREADY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY? RIGHT AND AGAIN. SO ON THIS ONE, MR KIM, OR IF HE HAD THE CHOICE.

OF THE ONES THAT YOU SEE UNDER THE UNDER DISPLAY OUT, YOU KNOW WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A CHANGE? OKAY THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT THAT'S AND YOU WANT DISCUSSIONS BEFORE. A HAND. THAT WOULD BE IT'S 50 50. BUT IF THERE COULD BE AN ALIGNMENT WITH 55, I COULD GO 55 YOU GET TO GO 55 YEARS ON SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, AND THAT'S THE ONE WHERE YOU SAID, HAPPY WITH.

THAT'S CORRECT. WE WOULD HAVE. I DON'T KNOW 20 SOME OUT OF THE 71. SAMPLE WOULD EXCEED THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT FOR SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CURRENT EXAMPLES OF THAT. OKAY, BUILT OUT. OKAY? SO MAYBE, UH, CURRENTLY IN THE CODE , IT'S CURRENTLY 60% SO IF YOU'RE THINKING THAT'S KIND OF THE ROUTE YOU WANT TO GO. THEN WE WOULD JUST REMOVE THAT.

AMENDED SO THAT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED. TRUE SO IF WE JUST LEFT IT AT 60% WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT, TOO. RATHER THAN GOING TO 70. IT'S CURRENTLY AT 60. MHM. SIX SHOULD BE OK AT 60 . THIS PARTICULAR ONE, OKAY? ALRIGHT, SO I MAKE IT A NOTES ON THAT, ASHLEY. OKAY THANK YOU ALREADY, UM, AND NO MORE COUNCIL CITIZENS ANY QUESTIONS AS TO THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE HEADING INTO WITH THIS? OKAY HERE YOU NONE WILL BE BACK FOR 13 IN TITLE ONLY ON OCTOBER. THE NINTH

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MULTIFAMILY AT 70. AND INSTITUTIONAL FLEX AT 70. SO AGAIN, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION BUT THAT ONE TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE OTHER ONES? VILLAGE RIDGE RESIDENTIAL INCLUDES. VERIFY HERE BAR EVEN EDITION, FOR EXAMPLE, HICKORY HICKORY DRIVE. YEAH I BELIEVE IT WAS NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THAT. 80% IS PRETTY STEEP FOR THAT. UM IS THERE'S NO MAX? WHAT LEVERAGE IS CORRECT PERCENT. THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT THE CODE CURRENTLY SAYS. BUT IT'S STILL 70% WOULD BE BETTER. IN THAT CASE. LET LET ME ASK YOU JUST A LITTLE FURTHER. THIS VILLAGE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL EXTENDS. FROM SAY, GROSS STREET TO MAPLE STREET, TOO, DOESN'T IT? OR IS THAT UPTOWN? HEY. I WOULD NOT. YEP I'M SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT. AGAINST BEARDY. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. SO YOU GET INTO OLDER DISTRICTS THERE THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT OUT TO THEIR MIX ANYWAY. SO YOU GOT SOME OF THAT GOING, THEN YOU'VE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MENTIONED HICKORY ON THIS SIDE OF GHOST STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COLLINS. YEAH THOSE LOTS ARE VERY DEEP. YOU HAVE A LONG DRIVEWAY? MM HMM. AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO GO TO 80% THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S ONE BIG. THAT'S WHEN THEY COVERAGE. YEAH, EXCEPT YOU. THAT WHAT YOU WERE WANTING ASHLEY? YEAH THE NEXT ONE. ACTUALLY, YES. OH, YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WE HAVE PREPARED TO SHOW FOR PERCENTAGES ON VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL. THE ONES THAT WE WORKED AT HOW THEY FALL WITHIN. WITHOUT IT. THERE'S PERCENT. AND IT'S WEST OF MAPLE STREET, MOSTLY. FROM COLLINS TO THIRD STREET. YEAH. SO THERE'S SOME OLDER SECTIONS IN THERE THAT. SO THERE'S ONLY THREE THAT ARE OVER 68. THERE ARE 15. FROM 60 TO 67. YEAH. 73 TO 8. R THREE ENOUGH.

BUT THAT'S. THEY DON'T NEED 80% ONLY THREE SITUATION. IT SEEMED LIKE 70% KIND OF A AND AGAIN.

THAT'S JUST THE ONES THAT WE YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. PRETTY BIG SAMPLE. GOT A COUPLE 100. MHM.

I'M SORRY. YEAH, YOU HAVE 2 50? YEAH. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT. QUESTION FOR MS CAVOUR. IS THIS OR THE COLORS ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT DEFINITION, OR THE UPDATED DEFINITION DEFINITION THAT WHAT IS THAT? OKAY? DO WE KNOW WHAT THESE LOT COVERAGE PERCENTAGE OF

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PROPERTIES AND SAY YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT RIGHT THERE. GRANDFATHERED IN. THEY WOULD JUST BE LIMITED ON WHAT THEY ADD IN THE FUTURE. IF THEY WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING, MAYBE MAYBE, UH AN EXAMPLE MIGHT BE IF ONE OF THOSE OLDER HOMES WOULD BURN OUT. AND EVERYTHING IS LEVELED.

THE REBUILD WOULD BE NOT TO EXCEED THE NEW NUMBER. UM IT'S AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE POSSIBLE SITUATION. I 65% SEEMS LIKE A GOOD NUMBER TO ME, OKAY? YEAH. I AGREE. YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE 65 DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S VERY MANY. WOULDN'T BE VERY MANY PROPERTIES AND IT'S STILL MANAGES THAT SPACE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FEW THAT ARE OUTSIDE EXISTING BUT ANYTHING MM. NEW OR EXPANDED, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TRY TO TRY TO KEEP IT THAT LIMIT, SO I LIKE THAT NUMBER TWO YEAH, BUT HOW HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE DOING? IF WE DROP IT DOWN TO 65. ALRIGHT THERE PROPERTY MAINTAINS , AS IS IF THEY WERE TO ASK TO BUILD A SHED OR A PATIO OR DECK . THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME GET THEIR PERMIT. WE WOULD EVALUATE THEIR LAW COVERAGE IF THEY EXCEED THE AMOUNT WE WOULD SAY THAT THEY CANNOT DO THAT UNLESS THEY OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM B. C. A. BUT YOU KNOW, MHM, YOU KNOW SAFE. OH YOU KNOW IF SOMEBODY CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW EXPLAINING NEED SOMEBODY CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW BUILD A DECK IN CITY MARRIAGE, BELLA, AND IT'S A SHED OR ANYTHING IN THE MIRRORS ARE WITHOUT BEING PERMITTED. WHAT IS HOW DO YOU GUYS HANDLE THEIR SITUATIONS LIKE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO? WE DO THAT THROUGH OBSERVATION. WE DO THAT THROUGH. MAYBE A NEIGHBOR THAT CALLS I'M SORRY. I MET. UM WHAT'S THE HOW PRESIDENT. THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A PERMANENT WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT STILL MHM , AND IF THEY DON'T SUBMIT A PERMIT, WE CAN TAKE HIM TO COURT. AND HAVE YOU EVER UM SOMEBODY REMOVE SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY THAT DIDN'T FIT.

YES THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED THAT SOMETIMES HAVE TO BE REMOVED. SO YOU YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WOULD BE 65. AND WE'LL VISIT THOSE AT THE NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? YES, CHEF MHM. YEAH SO OKAY HERE, AT LEAST TWO THAT MIGHT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE HEARD MORE THAN THAT IS THAT IS THAT JUST FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. YEAH JUST MAKING NOTES. OKAY ANY OTHER? WHAT ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED? WHAT DO WE HAVE A SIMILAR MAP.

CURRENTLY HAVE 65% ON THAT ONE, SO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT FOR THIS DISTRICT, SINGLE FAMILY AT FROM OUR CALCULATIONS. HE'S NOT . HE'S NOT A LOT IN THIS AREA THAT WE COULD CALCULATE, BUT THE HIGHEST. THERE'S FIVE OF THEM. REPEAT 65 AND 68, OKAY? AND

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BUILDING. TYPOLOGY IS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. OKAY AGAIN. THIS ONE IS THE NCD. MULTI VIEW FAMILY LOT COVERAGE COMMERCIAL IS 85. INSTITUTIONAL REX IS 60. MULTIFAMILY 65% AND THINK OF FAMILY ATTACHED SINGLE 65. SO I THINK THAT FALLS INTO ALL THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. OKAY? NO MORE COUNCIL COMMENT AND HE CITIZENS COMMENTS. OKAY, THIS WILL BE BACK FORWARD. SO TREATING TITLE

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OKAY IF WE COULD BRING UP THAT OTHER THIS CHART CREASE. PRETTY SMALL AREA. ONLY TALKING ABOUT A HANDFUL OF LIGHTS. RIGHT? YEAH THERE'S JOE'S IN EFFECT FOR FUTURE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE STRUGGLE THAT I ITS FUTURE ISN'T JUST WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF LIKE RIGHT NOW AND START LOOKING AT WHAT 20 YEARS IS GOING TO BE. YES. THEY WOULDN'T MAKE THAT.

CURRENTLY WE WALK. IN THE FUTURE THINKING INTO ACCOUNT. OTHER FACILITIES. SO YOU WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THIS ONE IS 50 PAGE FROM 70 GROUPS FROM THE PROPOSED 70. 55, OKAY? AND YOUR OTHER ONES MIXED USE MULTI, PERMANENTLY IN OFFICE. YOU'RE OKAY. WELCOME FINANCES. OKAY I GUESS TO ME THIS SEEMS MORE LIKE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY. DETACHED THIS AREA IS MORE LIKE THE BILLS RESIDENTIAL AND THAT WE'VE GOT SOME OLDER HOMES GOES OUT AND THERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 65. SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTION. YOU ALL CAN GO 65. OKAY? I THINK I'D PREFER 55.

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THE QUANTITIES ARE SMALL, THOUGH. YOU'RE SO RIGHT, UM BUT IT'S 46% SO IF YOU WENT TO 55, YOU'VE GOT AN AWFUL LOT OF LATITUDE. THEY'RE STILL I MEAN, IT'S JUST A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.

IT IS, BUT THE TOTAL QUANTITY IS THIS. WELL, I THINK THAT RANGE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 55 AND 65, SO WE CAN WORK THAT OUT. OKAY I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE 65 HOURS. OVERRULED YEAH, BUT. OKAY WELL, WE CAN BRING IT UP THE NEXT MEETING. THEN THE 60 GIVE US SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'VE GONE DEFECTIVE BETWEEN 55 AND 65. AND THEN THE FINAL NUMBER TO BE DETERMINED NEXT. NEXT MEETING. OKAY AND ALL THE OTHER ONES STATED STAY THE SAME. OKAY UM, ANY CITIZENS QUESTIONS. HEY HEARING NONE. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR, UM, THIRD READING TITLE ONLY ON OCTOBER, THE NINTH. OKAY HOW ARE WE DOING HERE? ALRIGHT, I THINK WE HAVE

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YEAH OKAY. ALRIGHT ANY CITIZENS COMMENT? OKAY THIS WILL BE BACK WITH THIRD READING TITLE ONLY

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THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, SO DO WE REALLY WANT TO DRIVE UP AND DOWN EAST FIFTH STREET AND WEST FIFTH STREET AND THE SOLAR PANELS IN THE BECAUSE HOUSES? I JUST THINK THAT IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THEY SHOULD STILL BE A CASE BY CASE. HMM THAT YOU KNOW, THE ONES IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT COULD USE OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION, ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS LIKE A SLATE ROOF OR SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO BE PRESERVED. UM, IF IT'S A TYPICAL SHINGLES. YOU KNOW, WE CAN DECIDE HOW THAT GOES THROUGH COUNCIL THROUGH COUNCIL'S DISCUSSIONS, WHETHER THAT'S STILL CEO A OR IF THAT'S STAFF APPROVED, BUT UPTOWN WE CAN STILL DO THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO GOES TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FOR THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. THAT'S THAT'S ONLY MY ASK RIGHT? AND IN THAT THIS, UH THIS ORDINANCE. IS ALLOWING FOR SOLAR PANELS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AS WELL. STREET FACING IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. EVERYWHERE ELSE. I THINK. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BOW OUT OF THAT. BUT IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, I JUST WE JUST NEED NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT.

HISTORICAL DISTRICT AS IT IS AND IT'S. INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY, RIGHT? THANK YOU. OKAY, SO. DO YOU WANT TO AGAIN? IF WE WERE TO AMENDED THAT WOULD REQUIRE EVERYBODY. SIX VOTES SO AGAIN.

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GO AHEAD. OK QUESTION BEYOND THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETS BEFORE WE MEET AGAIN. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETS NEXT TUESDAY. I BELIEVE SO WE HAVE WORK SESSION NEXT MONDAY, BUT PLANNING COMMISSION DOES MEET BEFORE THESE ITEMS BE PRESENTED A PLANNING COMMISSION. AND ALLOW THEM. TO CHANGED THE RECOMMENDATION. OR IS THAT BUDDING THINGS UP TOO MUCH ORIGINALLY WERE PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION. UM PACKETS GO OUT TOMORROW FOR US TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION. ARE YOU SAYING LIKE TO TAKE BACK THE PROPOSED PERCENTAGES TO THEM AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION OR WELL NOT ONLY HAVE THE DISCUSSION HOPEFULLY ASKED THEM TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL THAT WE MAKE THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT CLOCK. OKAY WE HAVE TO GO BACK FIRST READING. I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. WE CAN GIVE THEM AN UPDATE AT THE MEETING. WE CAN JUST I CAN GIVE THEM AN UPDATE ON KIND OF WHAT OUR DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE HEADING, SO THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT RESPECT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MY POINT. WE SEEM TO CHALLENGE A LOT OF WHAT THEY DO, AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. BUT IF IT CAME BACK AND CAME BACK FROM THEM, OKAY, NEVER. BUT I HATE THAT WOULD START THE WHOLE THING WHOLE PERSONS AGAIN, SO THAT THERE WERE YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE FRONT OF HOMES AND I AGREE. YOU KNOW IT WOULD LOOK TERRIBLE, RIGHT? BUT . I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT NOT LOOK TERRIBLE ON ANY OTHER HOME? WELL RIGHT. I MEAN, ON THE FRONT OF A HOUSE THAT THERE ARE YOU KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON NEW PRODUCTS THAT THAT WILL LOOK MORE LIKE OF ROOF AS OPPOSED TO SOLAR PANELS , BUT THEY'RE NOT YET. OUT THERE IN THE MARKET OR COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE, AND I JUST KIND OF I'M KIND OF AFRAID WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE UNTIL THOSE PRODUCTS ARE READILY AND COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE, AND, YOU KNOW THE WAY OUT THERE IN THE MARKET TO WHERE THAT'S THE STANDARD PRODUCT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A ROOF. LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD CHANGE IT NOW BECAUSE CHANNELS ARE UP. THEY'RE GOING TO BE UP THERE FOR 20 YEARS. SO SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT STAFF HAS HAD WITH, UM COMPANIES THAT HAVE COME TO BE EASY. A FOR REQUESTS FOR THIS, UM ACCORDING TO KIND OF THOSE INDUSTRY SPECIALISTS, THERE'S VERY FEW COMMUNITIES THAT LIMIT THE ABILITY TO HAVE THOSE ON THE FRONT. UM SO MOST OF THEM ARE MOVING TOWARDS ANY SIDE OF THE ROOF TO ALLOW THOSE ON AS WELL.

STATE OF OHIO RECENTLY PASSED LEGISLATION THAT LIMITS THE ABILITIES OF OAS TO IMPOSE UNREASONABLE RESTRICTIONS. UM SO JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. I'VE NOTICED THAT YOU'VE HAD I THINK SEVERAL IS THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY IT. UM APPLICATIONS WE HAVE OR FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN APPROVED. YEAH. THE YEAH IN IN TO MARK'S POINT, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YEAH , I MEAN, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT ? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE STATE HAD DONE THAT. BUT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS HAVE HAVE THAT VOCAL TO SAY. HEY YOU KNOW, WE KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WE'D RATHER YOU NOT FUN IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. BUT I THINK AS A HOME OWNER, THOUGH, I THINK YOUR SOLAR PANELS TAKE EIGHT YEARS. I THINK TO BE PAID BACK. SO THEN THEY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW YOUR YOU HAVE TO BE A HOMEOWNER FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS ABOUT HOME, SO THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR A RESIDENT TO MAKE THAT AND THEN ALSO, YOUR ROOF HAS TO BE IN REALLY GOOD CONDITION BECAUSE YOUR SOLAR PANEL, YOU KNOW, MIGHT YOU KNOW, OUTLIVED THE ROOF LIFE DEPENDING ON YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING? I MEAN, SO THERE'S JUST A LOT THERE TO

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OKAY UM YOU THINK THIS ONE IS THE FINAL ONE? OR DO YOU EXPECT ANOTHER ONE TO COME FORWARD? AT SOME POINT IN TIME. I KNOW IT'S ONLY SEPTEMBER NOW, SO I AM NOT WILLING TO PUT MY REPUTATION ON THAT. OKAY. OKAY SO, BUT ALL THEM AS SOON AS DONALD IS BACK, WE WILL AS PROMOTION TO PERSON.

THIS ONE. WHICH. ONE I KNOW MY GOD. HMM. MHM SIX. YEAH. MOVED TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. OKAY ALREADY VOTING, OKAY, WELL, THEY DON'T. IT ONLY NEEDS FOUR VOTES. SO YEAH, IT ONLY NEEDS FOUR WORDS. FOR THE RECORD SHOULD. NO HE WAS EXCUSED. HE WAS EXCUSED. THAT'S IT GOOD. MHM. YEAH.

WHATEVER YOU WANT TO RECEIVE THAT REPORT. YEAH YEAH. HERE IT COMES. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON YOU. OKAY THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AT THE PAST TO LEGISLATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO DO LOCAL ON THAT ONE. MR BURBEY? YES REAMS? YES, MR CARPENTER? YES MR SEYMOUR. MRS. GROUP MR.

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THANK YOU. HMM. MR RINGS. YOU KNOW, THIS WEEKEND FALL OFFICIALLY BEGAN. MHM YOU KNOW, THE WEATHER HAS BEEN GREAT. THAT'S THE THING THAT SURPRISED ME. I WAS OUT WALKING THE DOGS THIS MORNING AND I ALREADY SAW A TREE WHERE THE LEAVES HAVE TURNED ORANGE, AND IT'S LIKE, WOW, IT'S NOT EVEN OCTOBER. BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY ENJOY THE FALL. AND NOW OFFICIALLY, IT'S OKAY TO BREAK OUT THAT PLAN ON YOUR PUMPKIN SPACE. ENJOY YOUR WEEKEND. COME AGAIN. NOT QUITE YET. SO OKAY NEXT WEEK, WE HAVE THE WORK SESSION AND IN A DISSIPATION OF THAT, IT'S BY, UM AND MACKENZIE AND A DECIDED TO GIVE YOU AT LEAST TWO WEEKS. NOTICE UM TO DIGEST AND YOU SEE SOME OF THE CENTRAL OR HOW YOUR MEETING TIMES AND WE GET TO PICK A TIME MOVING FORWARD. UM, UM, THAT SHOULD BE NEXT WEEK. YES SO THOSE ARE REALLY MAY ONLY COMMENTS AGAIN. I DO ECHO MR EMERY WITH THE COUCH TO THE WAY THAT THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE CITY ALL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT TRIP AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION ON THE NINTH THAT WE THAT WE HAVE SO WITH IT. I NO FURTHER BUSINESS MEETING A JUDGE.

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