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[1. To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Development Plan application for a development known as Marysville South located at Parcels with ID numbers of (2800200150010, 2900300600000, 2900300470000, 2900300480000, 2900300560010, 2900300670000, 2900230740000, 2900230560000, 2900230731000, 2900300521050, 2900300500000). ]
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UNFORTUNATELY, I GUESS MAYBE THE 4TH OF JULY WEEK. WE'RE A LITTLE. YEAH, RIGHT. SO, I DON'T
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THINK I'M HEARING ANYTHING THAT MAKES ME CONCERNED, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'D RATHER, YOU KNOW,[00:12:08]
WE'D RATHER KNOW IN ADVANCE IF THAT. IF WE THINK THERE'S ANY DISSENSION, BUT IF WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE THAT WE THINK WE'RE WE'RE THERE, THEN WE'D LOVE THE VOTE. AND I'D LOVE TO MOVE AHEA, I GUESS. YEAH. MY GUT FEEL IS I. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE'S UNTIL WE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, WELL, YOU HEARD ME. SO. YEAH. SURE, SURE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY, WELL, WE'LL HAVE YOU PROCEED. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. NICKERSON, YES, MISS VARGAS. YES, MR. FISHER? YES MR. STILLION. YES. THANK YOU, SIR, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW[2. To hear an application for an Amendment to a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Development Plan for a development known as Marysville East Section 1 located at Parcels with ID numbers of (2800210030000, 2800210040000, 2800170320000, 2800170450010, 2800230571000, 2800210020000, 2800170450020). ]
IT DEVELOPS. ALL RIGHT. SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS MARYSVILLE EAST. SECTION ONE, LOCATED AT PARCEL WITH ID. NUMBERS.2800210030000280021004000028001, 0280023, 05710002800210020000 AND 2800170450020. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, HERE TO DISCUSS? HEY. OKAY, SO IF YOU WOULD NAME AND ADDRESS AND, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AARON UNDERHILL, ATTORNEY WITH UNDERHILL AND HODGE, 8000 WALTON PARKWAY IN NEW ALBANY, THIS THANK YOU. ASHLEY THIS ONE IS A LITTLE SHORTER, IF YOU'LL RECALL, THIS THIS IS WE'RE BASICALLY EXPANDING SUBAREA B OF THE MARYSVILLE EAST PUD THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR, IF YOU'LL RECALL, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF HOLDOUTS, IN TERMS OF WE DIDN'T HAVE, HAVE CONTRACTS WITH A COUPLE OF LANDOWNERS AND, NOW WE DO. AND, SO WE'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH A SEPARATE PROCESS OF ANNEXATION. AND, THAT'S WHY THIS IS LAGGING BEHIND. SO NOW WE'RE GETTING TO THE ZONING STAGE AND, HERE AGAIN LAST YEAR IN, WELL, I GUESS IT WAS THIS YEAR, EARLY THIS YEAR, COUNCIL APPROVED, THE ORDINANCE FOR A PUD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ANNEXATION. NUMBER ONE, WE ARE NOW, BASICALLY ADDING 15 ACRES THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN MODIFICATION, WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO, SUBAREA B ALREADY, BUT IN
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FACT ARE JUST BASICALLY APPLYING THEM THE SAME WAY, AS THEY APPLY TO THE GROUND. THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PUD TO THIS, THIS LAND, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ACTUALLY, THESE ARE THE TWO SITES. HOPEFULLY IT PROVIDES YOU WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. THIS IS OUR ANNEXATION, SURVEY. AND, IF YOU'LL RECALL, WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL ZONING, WE HAVE A PROVISION IN THERE THAT ALLOWED TO FOR THE, THE SETBACKS THAT APPLY TO THIS SITE TO ESSENTIALLY BE ELIMINATED AUTOMATICALLY. IF THESE WERE TO COME IN AND BE ZONED IN THE SAME MANNER WE'RE ESSENTIALLY IN, AFTER SPEAKING WITH ASHLEY, WE'RE BRINGING EVERYTHING BACK THROUGH. ALTHOUGH TECHNICALLY THIS IS THE ONLY THING BEING ZONED JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE STANDARDS IN ONE PLACE.SO WHEN WE LOOK BACK ON ALL OF THIS AND THE CITY IS ADMINISTERING THESE STANDARDS, THEY'LL ALL BE IN ONE SPOT. YEAH, WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE PUDS WHEN IT'S ALL ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER. AND YOU KNOW, SHE'S RIGHT, HERE AGAIN, THIS SHOWS, SOME OF THE, THE FEATURES OF THE SITE, WE'RE, SURROUNDED BY SUBAREA B, OTHER THAN, US 33. THIS DEMONSTRATES, SETBACKS, FROM, JUST AS WE DID ON THE OTHER ONE, ESSENTIALLY, REMIND ME, MATT, WHAT'S OUR SETBACK FROM 33, 50 AND 100? YEP. AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS ESSENTIALLY SURROUNDED BY SUBAREA B, SO IT WON'T, REALLY WON'T HAVE ANY, PERIMETER SETBACKS, SO TO SPEAK, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER SLIDE. NO, JUST ME AGAIN. SO, YEAH. SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE EASIER. BUT JUST TRYING TO GET THIS ON ALL FOURS WITH WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED ON THIS SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, SO. THANK YOU. OKAY WELL, SEE, THE CITY SUGGESTED, AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY, ALSO RECOMMEND ENCOURAGE. WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, AS FEASIBLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES IN THESE PARTICULAR LOTS, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SURE, SURE. OKAY, OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE I'M STILL LOOKING AT YOU TO SEE IF YOU'RE GOING TO. ME. NO, WE DON'T HAVE. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT, SO, WITH THAT, OPEN THIS UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE BOARD? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? THANK YOU.
MR. STOYAN, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MISS VERBIS? YES, MR. FISHER? YES MR. STALLION.
AYE. MR. NICKERSON. YES. THANK YOU, SIR, VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE
[3. To hear an application for a Density Bonus Allotment request for a single-family attached residential building in the Hospital Mixed-Use District (HMD) zoning district at 777 Milcrest Drive. ]
AGENDA IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A DENSITY BONUS ALLOTMENT REQUEST FOR A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IN THE HOSPITAL. MIXED USE DISTRICT, HMD ZONING DISTRICT AT 777 MILL CREST DRIVE. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. PLANNING COMMISSION. AND, MR. FISHER, WHEN I ASKED YOU IN THE HALL IF, IF YOU KNEW WHERE THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WERE, I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE ON THE COMMISSION AND HEADED HERE. SO YOU YOU GAVE US A GOOD DIRECTIONS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAVE PERRY. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE 777 HILLCREST APPLICATION, I AM CONSULTING ON THE ZONING ASPECT OF IT FOR THE APPLICANT. HILLCREST PIG ONE, LLC. LET ME INTRODUCE TO YOU TWO OTHERS THAT ARE HERE ON THE APPLICATION. JOHN, YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND? JOHN LORENZ IS ONE OF THE TWO PARTNERS ON THE LLC, ONE OF THE TWO OWNERS, AND ERIC SHERRILL IS THE PROJECT ARCHITECT. SO WE HAVE, SEVEN, SEVEN, SEVEN. HILLCREST IS, 1.65 ACRES. IT'S DEVELOPED WITH A 16 UNIT, TWO STORY BUILDING OF FLATS. AND, BY THIS APPLICATION, WE ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD A TEN UNIT TOWNHOUSE ATTACHED TOWNHOUSE UNIT, BUILDING TO THE REAR, TO THE WEST OF THE 16 UNIT BUILDING. THE ZONING. AS AS YOU NOTED, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS, HOSPITAL, HMD AND, THE CURRENT DENSITY WITH THE 16 UNITS ON 1.65 ACRES IS APPROXIMATELY 9.75 UNITS PER ACRE. THE DISTRICT PERMITS 12, AND WE HAVE APPLIED WITH, WITH THE CITY, WITH THE[00:20:03]
STAFF FOR THE DENSITY BONUS OF FOUR UNITS PER ACRE WITH THE ADDITIONAL TEN UNIT BUILDING, YEP. THERE'S OUR SITE PLAN WITH THE EXISTING OR WITH THE TEN UNIT TOWNHOUSE ADDITION. THE SITE WOULD BE AT APPROXIMATELY 15.75 UNITS PER ACRE. SO ON SLIGHTLY UNDER THE 16, WE HAVE SUBMITTED, THE SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURE RENDERINGS WITH THE APPLICATION AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THOSE WITH WITH THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU'RE READY, PLEASE. YEAH. OKAY, ON, ON COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN. SURE, HI, I'M KARA. CHERYL, HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING TONIGHT? THE BUILDING IS A TOWNHOME BUILDING, IT'S TEN UNITS OF, VARYING DWELLING UNIT SIZE. AVERAGING ABOUT THREE BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHS, THEY'RE ALL TWO FLOORS, WITH, LIVING SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND BEDROOMS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THE THREE BEDROOMS HAVE, A BEDROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR AS WELL, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE ON THE EXTERIOR IS, A FAIRLY COMMON VERNACULAR THAT YOU WOULD FIND, ANYWHERE. IN THE ADJACENT, HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, A MIX OF SIDING AND MASONRY, THERE'S, DUE TO THE WAY THE BUILDING SITS ON THE SITE, IT'S KIND OF DEEP. INTO A, NARROW, PARCEL. THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM KIND OF TALKED ABOUT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE FRONT AND WHAT'S THE BACK? AND WE, YOU KNOW, ELECTED TO MAKE IT KIND OF A FOUR SIDED BUILDING WITH, WITH DWELLING UNIT ENTRANCES, PRETTY MUCH ON ALL FOUR SIDES, SO YOU, YOU PARK IN BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE NEW BUILDING, AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S SIDEWALKS THAT WOULD LEAD TO, ALL AROUND THE BUILDING, EACH, OF THE DWELLING UNITS HAS A SMALL, OUTDOOR PATIO AREA, WITH A, SLIDING GLASS DOO, AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT, THE THIS. YEAH. SO THE, THE ELEMENTS OF THE DENSITY BONUS ARE PRIMARILY LISTED IN, ARE SHOWN IN, IN THIS ELEVATION SHEET, THE RED GRID LINES, INDICATE, THE TEN FOOT MEASUREMENT. AND THEN I'VE LABELED, WITH DIFFERENT COLORS, WHAT WE'VE DONE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DENSITY BONUS, AND THEN I THINK, COULD YOU WALK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT MORE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO OR NOT. SURE. A LOT OF STUFF ON THERE. SO. SURE. BASICALLY THE A'S AND B'S ARE DOORS AND WINDOWS, WHICH, WHICH ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE LISTED IN WHAT IS IT? 1130 309, SO THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THE DENSITY BONUS FOR, I THINK IT'S, THE, THE BASE IS FOUR ELEMENTS FOR EVERY 100FT. AND THEN THE DENSITY BONUS REQUIRES THREE, SO THAT'S, WHAT THE DIFFERENT COLORS ARE AS THE BUILDINGS ARE, NOT EQUALLY SEGMENTS OF 100FT. I DID THE BEST I COULD TO KIND OF CONSERVATIVELY ROUND UP FOR YOU. IS THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE? SURE. I MEAN, I WAS HOPING TO MAYBE JUST WALK THROUGH EACH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE FIRST ONE LISTED IS THE DOOR AT LEAST 28FT■!S. I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. SURE YEAH, SO THERE ISN'T A THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF THE ORDINARY HERE, ELEMENT A IS A DOOR, B IS A WINDOW, WINDOWS OF AT LEAST SIX SQUARE FEET IN AREA. CORRECT? NO CLOSER THAN TEN FEET, WHICH IS THE RED LINES IS WHAT YOU'RE INDICATING, RIGHT. OKAY, HOW IS IT ELEMENT CENTER TO CENTER OR TEN FEET INSIDE TO INSIDE, OR ARE WE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS. YEAH. OKAY ALL RIGHT. ELEMENT E, IS A IS A PORCH, AND THEN I THE CODE IS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE A[00:25:01]
ELEVATION THAT'S LESS THAN 100FT, BUT I, I LABELED A, A MATERIAL CHANGE ON THE END OF THE BUILDING AS WHAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE A CHIMNEY, IT IS A, JUST IT'S AN ENGAGED CHANGE OF MATERIAL. IT WASN'T REALLY INTENDED TO BE A CHIMNEY. SO, SO IT IS A, A FAUX CHIMNEY, THEN.SURE. IT'S. YEAH. BUT, IT I THINK IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE OF THE CODE TO BREAK UP A LONG ELEVATION, SO AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE I'VE, MET THE REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDED ADDITIONAL, ELEMENTS KIND OF BASED ON SOME CONSERVATIVE ROUNDING THAT I MADE SURE, YEAH. I MEAN, FOR, FOR FROM MY VIEWPOINT. AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE BOARD ALSO MADE COMMENTS. I MEAN, THE CHIMNEY TO ME TO COUNT AS A CHIMNEY EXTENDS ABOVE THE ROOFLINE, YOU KNOW, CHANGE OF MATERIALS. YEAH. YEAH.
IT'S NOT QUITE A CHIMNEY. SO WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO CONTINUING THAT UP? SO IT IS AN ACTUAL FAUX LOOKING. WE WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU COULD GO THERE'S A COLORED ELEVATION THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE. YEAH, THAT ONE IS A LITTLE MORE LEGIBLE.
OKAY. SO, SO THAT THAT CHIMNEY IS THE END. THAT'S THE STRIP OF BROWN. YEP OKAY, YES. YEAH I MEAN, JUST FROM THE SIDE, IT IT BREAKS UP THAT STRAIGHT LINE. I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT. AND THE INTENT WHICH YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S, THERE'S GRAY AND EVERYTHING THAT'S WRITTEN. BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD, MEET IT IN MY MIND. I'M ONE PERSON.
SO IS THAT A FAUX WINDOW IN THE TOP OF THE CHIMNEY? WHAT? OR IS THAT A GABLE VENT, THAT IS A GABLE VENT. SO, LIKE, AS A CHANGE IN MATERIAL AND NOT A CHIMNEY. IT'S A IT'S A GABLE VENT. BUT, SO IF WE WENT TO AN ACTUAL FAUX CHIMNEY THAT WAS PENETRATING THE END OF, WE WOULD ELIMINATE THAT. YEAH OKAY. I'M SORRY. YOU CAN CONTINUE ON. OR IF YOU IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING. I WAS MOSTLY COMPLETE. OKAY. ON THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DETAIL FOR THE BRICK IN THE CENTER ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR? ARE YOU GOING TO DO ANY SOLDIER ROWS ABOVE THE WINDOWS OR SOLDIER ROW, ACROSS THE TOP BAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE STACKED BRICK, WE WOULD PROBABLY PUT A SOLDIER ON TOP OF THE OF THE WINDOWS, BUT, THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THE DETAILING. WE, WE WOULD WORK WITH. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE A SOLDIER ROW ON TOP. HAVE YOU CHOSE A COLOR I NOTICE ON THE IN THE PACKET IT JUST SAYS PRIMED, READY FOR PAINT. HAVE YOU GUYS DISCUSSED COLOR, WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED COLOR. I BELIEVE, THE BUILDING. THERE'S A COUPLE OF PAGES ABOVE THIS. THE BUILDING ADJACENT IS MOSTLY WHITE, I THINK THAT WAS MY INTENT HERE WAS TO, TO GENERALLY KIND OF, FIT WITHIN THE WITHIN THE COLOR SCHEME OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE BRICK, IS LATE IS SHOWN, A COUPLE SHEETS DOWN. IT'S KIND OF A, HONEY COLORED BURN. HONEY IS THE COLOR. YEAH, THAT MATCHES THE. WELL IS SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE SITE ON THE EXHIBIT PAGE. YOU DON'T HAVE THE SHAKE, ON THE EXHIBIT. ARE YOU STICKING WITH THE SHAKE? YEAH I PLAN TO STICK WITH A SHAKE IN THE IN THE GABLE END OF THE OF THE FRONT. THERE. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? HOW MANY DESIGN ELEMENTS ARE WE EXPECTING ADDED FOR THIS DENSITY? BONUS? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE'RE, IT IS, BUT I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING, THREE ARE REQUIRED, CORRECT? ASHLEY I THINK SO. WE. YEAH.
THERE'S A CHART THAT WAS IN THE PACKET, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, LEVEL ONE IS, ADDITION OF ONE ARCHITECTURAL OR DESIGN FEATURE. AND LEVEL TWO, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. IS AN ADDITIONAL TWO. PAGE. YEAH YEAH. AN ADDITIONAL TWO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN REVISIONS. WELL, AN
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ADDITIONAL THREE TOTAL. RIGHT. IT'S ONE PLUS TWO ADDITION OF TWO. SO IT IS ONE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE STANDARD. IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OH I'M SORRY. AND MAYBE JUST BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A PLAIN LOOKING ELEVATION, I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING WHERE SOME OF THE THESE FEATURES ARE THAT ARE JUST THE CHANGE OF MATERIAL. YEAH. I MEAN, LARGER DOORS COUNTS, LARGER WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, SO I AGREE, I MEAN, I THINK WHEN IT GOES TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WE'LL TALK ABOUT COLOR. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, THE DESIGN I WAS TRYING TO GET TOO NITPICKY, GENERALLY DOESN'T LIKE, ONE PLANE, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, YOU HAVE SOME DIFFERENCES, BUT I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY BE A CONVERSATION AT THAT POINT. SO WHICH THREE OF THE MEMBERS HERE ARE TWO THAT ARE HERE ARE ON DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. SO, YEAH, WE CAN DIVE DEEPER AT THAT POINT. THREE BASE PLUS TWO. SO WE'RE MISSING ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE THE DOORS, THE WINDOWS, THE CHIMNEY AND THE PORCHES. JUST CHANGING MATERIAL COUNT. NO OKAY. NO. BUT SO IF THEY SO THE OVERHANGS, THE OVERHANGS. WHERE AM I MISSING THAT AT, OVERHANG, MINIMUM OF THREE FEET WIDE. YOU DO HAVE THAT? NO. YEAH, I THINK I THINK THAT WAS CONSIDERED ONE IS, THINK ABOUT YOUR ARTICULATION.YEAH. SO THIS, PORCH OR OVERHANG COULD BE CONSIDERED ONE. GOTCHA EVERY 100FT. YEAH HOW LONG IS THE BUILDING PLUS, THEN? YEAH, IT'S 152. OH, IT'S MORE I'M SORRY FEET. THERE'S NO SPLITS IT IN HALF. SO NO OVERHANGS ON THE EAST ELEVATION AT ALL. SO ALONG THE WHOLE FACADE, THERE'S SEVEN.
I SEE HIM NOW. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN THEY HAVE TWO ON THE, THE SHORTER ENDS. SO. OKAY I FORGET I THINK MAYBE IN YOUR QUESTION, MR. CILLIAN, YOU CLARIFY THE MATERIAL BEING USED, ON THE PEAK ON THE EAST AND WEST END. YEAH, THAT WAS THE. WE DISCUSSED THE SHAPE. OH. ON THE EASTERN ONE.
OH, YEAH. OKAY. YES YEAH. I WAS THINKING THE SHORT END FOR THIS NORTH AND SOUTH. SO. OKAY. I THINK THAT GETS THROUGH MY QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL OPEN UP TO CITIZENS. AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS WE'LL BRING YOU BACK UP. SO ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. OKAY. SEEING NONE, WHAT IS THE WILL THE BOARD AND I WOULD SAY, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, CONDITIONAL OF EXTENDING THE CHIMNEY ABOVE THE ROOF LINE, A SOLDIER ROW ON THE TOP OF THE BRICK AND, ON TOP OF THE WINDOWS. OH, THE TOP, THE WINDOWS. I THOUGHT WE HAD A LINE AT THE TOP OF THE BRICK JUST OVER THE WINDOWS. I THINK WE SETTLED THE WINDOWS ON THE CENTER PORTION OF THE ELEVATION. OKAY, OKAY, I MISUNDERSTOOD.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT A FULL SURGERY. THERE'S A FREEZE BOARD.
THERE'LL BE A FREEZE BOARD THERE. OKAY. IT'S ON THE LONGER END. THERE'S THESE LINES ON THE.
THAT'S JUST CAD. YEAH. OKAY LET ME SCROLL UP FOR A SECOND. YEAH. THERE'S A FREEZE BOARD THERE.
OKAY SO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH THOSE CONDITIONS AND ANY OTHER CONDITION? CONDITIONS, DO WE NEED TO NOTE THAT WE'LL TAKE THE VENT OUT OF THE CHIMNEY, OR ARE WE COOL WITH THAT? HE SAID WHEN THE CHIMNEY IS EXTENDED, IT'LL GO. OH GO AWAY. YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. AND OF COURSE, CONDITIONAL UPON DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APPROVAL. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. STOYAN. DO WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. FISHER? YES, MR. STILLMAN? YES, MR. NICKERSON? YES, MISS VERBIS. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF? THANK SAME TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL
[4. To hear an application for a Conditional Use request to permit a single-family attached residential development (Lanzville) in the Village Residential (VRD) zoning district at 624 N Main Street. ]
USE REQUEST TO PERMIT A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LANDS. L LANDS LANESVILLE. SORRY IN THE VILLAGE. RESIDENTIAL VOID ZONING DISTRICT AT 624 NORTH MAIN[00:35:01]
STREET. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE, TO PRESENT MR. CHAIR. SWARNIM OH, YES. YOU WALKED IN LATE, SO LET ME SWEAR YOU IN BEFORE YOU GET GOING, SO IF YOU WOULD, ONCE YOUR HANDS ARE FREE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, I WILL READ OFF AN OATH AND AT THE END SIGNAL BY SAYING I WILL. OKAY DO YOU DECLARE THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH, UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTY OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION? YES, I WILL, I WILL, ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PAPER SAYS. SO I KNOW, RIGHT? YEAH THAT'S RIGHT.SO IF YOU, PLEASE, STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THEN THE FLOOR IS YOURS. ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU. LET ME PLUG THIS IN. ALL RIGHT. SEE THE PRESENTATION? I THINK. YES, YES. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. THERE WE GO. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR, HAVING ME HERE TODAY, MY NAME IS GEORGE. I AM THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR OUR CLIENTS, FROM THE COMPANY WHITE TO DESIGN AND BUILD, TODAY'S PROPOSAL IS ABOUT THE LANDFILL DEVELOPMENT, AND WE HAVE WITH ME, A CIVIL ENGINEER. COMES UP HERE, AND THEN WE HAVE THE, OWNERS FROM THE PROJECT, LENNY AND ALEX. SO ESSENTIALLY, OUR PROPOSAL FOR, THIS PROJECT IS A CONDITIONAL 12 UNIT. GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT IF NOT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, EXECUTE A 11 UNIT. IT'S OUR GOAL, SO THIS PROJECT IS REALLY ESSENTIALLY, FIRST, GROUNDBREAKING FOR OUR CLIENTS WHERE THEY, THEY HAVE THIS PIECE OF, LOT THAT, THEY'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO ROAD THIS PROJECT OUT FOR, SO LAND DEVELOPMENT IS JUST A GROUNDBREAKING PROJECT THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AN ENGAGING AND MORE EXCITING, DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, CONSIDERING THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN REVIEWS STANDARDS IN CONSIDERATION AND ALSO BRINGING A MORE, UP TO MODERN STANDARD, DEVELOPMENT DESIGN IN CONSIDERATION AS WELL, FURTHERMORE, WHAT WE PLAN ON EXECUTING IS THE CITY DEVELOPMENT'S PROGRAMS, TOGETHER WITH MARYSVILLE'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE GOAL IS HERE. THE GOAL HERE IS TO AIMED AT ADDRESSING, ENVIRONMENTAL, ECONOMICAL AND ALSO EDUCATIONAL BENEFITS FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. AND WE TRY WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON GOING DOING IS CONSIDERING ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT, THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPRISES OF, EVOLVING THAT INTO OUR DESIGN, SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN, ROUGHLY RIGHT UNDER AN ACRE. LOT, OUR PROPOSAL IS FOR 11 UNITS, GIVEN THE CONDITION, WE CAN BUILD A 12 UNIT, DEPENDING ON THE STYLE AND DESIGN, WITH THE 0.94 ACRE LOT. THE LOT IS PRETTY GOOD. IN GOOD SHAPE. DIMENSIONS WORK VERY WELL FOR WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME COMPELLING, PUSH BACKS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IN THE, IN THE, IN THE EFFECT OF, WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY BUILD ESSENTIALLY, ONCE WE HAVE IT APPROVED, SOME OF THE SETBACKS WE HAVE ARE JUST THE, THE SHAPE OF THE LOT, WHICH IS VERY AWKWARD. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CORNER LOT RIGHT THERE. WE HAVE TO CONSIDER A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WOULD INVOLVE THE SETBACKS AND HAVING THE APPROPRIATE, ARTICULATIONS AND ARTICULATIONS OF THAT NATURE, IN THIS CASE. SO WE'VE, WE'VE CONSIDERED ALL OF THAT IN THE DESIGN, BUT WE'RE HOPING TO GET YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR HOPEFULLY, SO OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW THE PURPOSE OF THE PUD AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH IT IN DETAIL, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE CAPTURE ALL OF THESE DETAILS IN OUR DESIGN AS WE GO THROUGH, AND OBVIOUSLY WITH MARYSVILLE GOING, GROWING STEADILY AND FAST, WE'RE HOPING TO IN THE FUTURE, IF NOT JUST THIS PROJECT, BUT IN THE FUTURE, DO MAJOR PROJECTS FOR THE SAKE OF, THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH FOR MARYSVILLE AND TRYING TO CATCH UP TO THE NEEDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, STATED FOR OUR, IN STATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WITH MARYSVILLE EXPERIENCING MAJOR GROWTH IN IN ALL KINDS OF PLACES, WE ALREADY HAVE THIS THIS PROJECT ZONED APPROPRIATELY FOR WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO, BUT AS DEVELOPERS, WE, WE DO HAVE BARRIERS. LIKE I WAS SAYING, THAT THE OVERALL DESIGN ESTHETICS, OF THE DESIGN HAS TO PERTAINS TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, POSES AN ISSUE THAT WE SEEK TO RESOLVE TODAY DURING OUR
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DISCUSSION, BOTH IN THE CONDITIONAL USE AND DENSITY BONUS, THINGS OF DESIGN, COLOR, ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN FEATURES THAT WE'RE HOPING TO, MITIGATE. SO THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO HOW DOES THIS PROPOSED PLAN, IMPACT PUBLIC SERVICES AND WHATNOT? SO IT'S A BIT WORDY, BUT I'LL JUST BREAK IT DOWN INTO SIMPLE WORDS. BUT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY BEING A NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR CLIENTS. WE'RE IN THE LOCATION OF WHERE IT IS IN THE VILLAGE DISTRICT, IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR SCHOOLS AND SEWER WATER SYSTEMS. BUT IN, IN, IN THE MARYSVILLE PROJECT, MARYSVILLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT SHOWS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, RECOGNIZES THAT THE POPULATION GROWTH WOULD INCREASE OVER TIME AND AFFECT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, PARTICULARLY. SO LANESVILLE PROJECT IDENTIFIES THIS PROBLEM DURING THE AT THE VILLAGE DISTRICT, FOR THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE A MOST APPROPRIATE FOR ITS NEEDS, THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM WILL BE IMPACTED CAREFULLY AND CONSIDERED. OUR STORMWATER AND CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS SEEK TO REMEDIATE THESE ISSUES WITH THE HELP OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ENGINEERS, SO THAT WE CAN VALIDATE THESE REVIEWS IN THE FUTURE, FOR THE ECONOMIC GROWTH OF MARYSVILLE. THIS IS THIS PROJECT SET TO INFLUENCE THE ARCHITECTURAL AND ECONOMIC GROWTH, WE PRIORITIZE PRIORITIZED GROWTH THAT CONTRIBUTES POSITIVELY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE CITY'S BUDGET AND EFFICIENT, EFFICIENT USE OF RESOURCES, FOR CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE DO ENCOURAGE HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE WITH PROXIMITY, PROXIMITY TO CITIES, HIGHWAYS, PARKS, MAJORS, HIGH, HIGH WALKING SCORES AND ALSO GREAT DIVERSITY IN HOUSING OPTIONS. SO HOW DOES THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONFORM TO THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MARYSVILLE HAS SEEN AN EXPLOSION OF GROWTH IN THE THREE. THE PAST DECADE, WITH HONDA COMING IN BACK IN 1982, HIRING OVER ABOUT 4000 EMPLOYEES OR MORE, THE LANDFILL PROJECT CEASED TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE MILL VALLEY, POPULATION RADIUS AND HAS INDICATED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MILL VALLEY IS A RELATIVELY LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT GEOGRAPHY, WHICH IS NOT THE PREFERRED PATTERN FOR MARYSVILLE. SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO ATTRACT THE SHIFT IN THAT DEMAND FOR THE HOUSING PRODUCTS IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT, AND THEN WE DID WE DID COMPARE A CASE STUDY, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WAS THE HARRISON WEST COLUMBUS, BEING THE SMALLEST UNIT CASE STUDY THAT, MARYSVILLE CONDUCTED AND WE DID NOTICE THAT THE STYLE, SIZE AND THE PARKING, PARTICULARLY IN OUR PROJECTS, ALIGNED ALMOST WELL WITH THE NEEDS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE DO SEE THAT THERE'S A BLEND IN THE SIZE AND PRIVACY OF THE SUBURBAN, AREAS. AND THEN WE DO SEE THAT WE DO HAVE PARKING THE PARKING AND ACCESS THROUGH THE, HOLLY DRIVE, WHICH I CAN SHOW YOU HERE SHORTLY ON THE SITE PLAN. AND THEN THE SIZES DO ACCOMMODATE VERY WELL WITH RESIDENTS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TO ALLOW FOR THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, SO WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW, REVIEW BOARD. SO WE I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT TODAY, SO I'M JUST GOING TO DO MY BEST TO EXPLAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, SO WE DO HAVE A 12 UNIT PROPOSED, BUT, HOPEFULLY TO GET 11 UNIT, TOWN HALL STYLE, SIMILAR TO JUST THE PREVIOUS, PERSON TALKING, WE DO HAVE A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, THIS DESIGN IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY'S IDENTITY, THE CHARACTER AND, AND WHAT WE INTEND IT TO BE. THE BUILDING IS SEEN TO HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF FINISH ALL AROUND, THROUGH THE ELEVATIONS. THE FACADE COLORS DO CONFORM TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS, AND WE DO HAVE FEATURES THAT WERE COMMENTED ON THE REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE DID IMPLEMENT HERE IN THE DESIGN. SO WE DO HAVE A DOOR OF AT LEAST 28IN INCLUDED, 28IN SQUARE, SQUARE FEET. SORRY, INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN. WE DO HAVE A WINDOW OF AT LEAST SIX SQUARE FEET, WE DO HAVE PORCHES AND DECKS. WE HAVE THE OVERHANG INCLUDED AS WELL.SO WE HAVE AT LEAST INCLUDED ABOUT FOUR OF THESE FEATURES FROM THE, REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR US TO HAVE THIS. ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THINGS, THIS IS THIS A ROUGH, PLAN DRAFTED. BUT IT'S NOT A FINAL CONCLUSION. BUT WE DO HAVE A THREE BEDROOM, TWO AND A HALF BATH, TWO STORY GARAGE, EACH UNIT DIMENSION ROUGHLY ABOUT 32 BY 36. AND THE OPEN FLOOR PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT THE MOST, MARKET DEMAND MARKET IS RIGHT NOW FOR, HOUSING, THESE THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF, TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT WE WERE PLANNING ON USING, SO TODAY'S IN DISCUSSION IS THAT
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WE HOPE FOR AN APPROVAL FOR, ONE OF THE VARIANCES, WHICH IS GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF MATERIALS, WHICH IS NOT THE PRIMARY MATERIAL THAT MARYSVILLE HAS, RECOMMENDED FOR.SO WE DO SEEK FOR A VARIANCE FOR THAT REASON BEING IS THERE ARE DIFFERENT REASONS WHY WE DO AGREE. WE SIGN VINYL SIDING IS NOT THE OPTIMAL CHOICE. BUT, FOR LONGEVITY SAKE, WE DO BELIEVE THAT VINYL SIDING, HAS AN OPTION DOES HELP WITH MAINTENANCE COSTS OVER THE TIME, AND HOPEFULLY IT STILL MAINTAINS THE BEAUTY OF WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE. SO, AND THEN SOME OTHER, DESIGN WE INCORPORATED, LIKE I SAID, IS OPEN SPACES, PARKING LOT SETS AND DRIVES. LIGHTING WILL BE INCORPORATED IN THE FINAL DESIGN FOR VISUAL APPEARANCES, WE ALSO ARE APPLYING FOR A VARIANCE FOR A FENCING WHERE WE ARE REQUIRING A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE TO BE, INSTALLED, LANDSCAPING WILL ALSO DEFINITELY BE INCORPORATED, INCORPORATED INTO THE FINAL DESIGN, TRASH ENCLOSURES AS WELL INTO THE FINAL DESIGN, I DO HAVE HERE THE CIVIL ENGINEERING COUNSEL WHO CAN GIVE MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION ON THE STORMWATER PLAN THAT WE GENERATED. SO IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. YOU COULD DO. OKAY. SWEET SURE. YEAH ARE WE IS THIS A QUESTION TIME, NO.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE STORMWATER. ALL RIGHT, OKAY. I'M DAVE PFEIFFER FROM SANS DECKER.
WE'RE DOING THE CIVIL ENGINEERING FOR THIS. AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. WE'VE GOT THE BASIN DOWN IN THE SOUTHWEST OR SOUTHEAST CORNER DOWN THERE, THE STORM, WE'RE ACTUALLY CONNECTING TO THE STORM LINE THAT'S ON MAIN STREET, BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE ONLY WAY WE COULD CONNECT, BECAUSE OVER ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS ALL PRIVATE STORM LEADING TO THE EAST, AND THERE'S A POND BACK IN THE BACK, BUT THAT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH, GET AN EASEMENT FROM THEM. SO WE ARE CONNECTING TO THE STORMWATER PIPE OVER ON MAIN STREET AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR BASIN OVER THERE. AND THAT HAS BEEN SIZED BASED ON ALL THE NEW IMPERVIOUS, JUST PRELIMINARILY THOUGH, AND WE WILL HAVE TO PUT UP, RETAINING WALLS BEHIND THE NEW PROPOSED BUILDINGS BECAUSE THE STORMWATER IS DETERMINING THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION, AND THERE'S ABOUT A NINE FOOT DROP FROM THE, SOUTH WEST CORNER TO THE NORTH EAST. IT DROPS IN ELEVATION ABOUT NINE FEET. SO WE WILL HAVE TO PUT UP RETAINING WALLS. BUT WE DO HAVE A STORM SYSTEM DESIGNED FOR IT. AND, ON THE DEMOLITION PLAN THERE WAS THAT, THIS SLIDE BEFORE. OKAY, ON HERE, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES THAT WE WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVING. AND WE MAY HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE AND PAY INTO THE PAY INTO THE FUND FOR REPLACING STREET TREES, BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO REPLACE AS MANY AS WE'RE REMOVING THAT. THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES. OH, SWEET. YEP THANK YOU. AND, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ARE YOU CONTROLLING OR ACTUALLY CONTROLLING? I'M CONTROLLING. YOU'RE CONTROLLING? YEAH. GOOD, GOOD. GO BACK TO, SITE PLAN. SO, DOES IT WORK? YEP. ALL RIGHT, SO, JUST BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THINGS WILL BE BASED ON THIS, AT THIS POINT, ALL RIGHT. SO YOU MENTIONED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THIS AREA TALKS ABOUT DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES NOT I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIX IS SET. PLEXES. RIGHT. AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THAT, LIKE, YOU'RE JUST SURE SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE SHOEHORNING A LOT OF THINGS INTO A SMALL LAND, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE SHAPE AND SIZE. YOU'RE LIMITED. BUT, FOR MYSELF, SAY, I DON'T LIKE THE LAYOUT OF JUST WROTE YOU KNOW, SIX AND 5 OR 6 AND SIX MAYBE, BUT NOT UNIFORM. WHERE IS THIS POSSIBLE? 12TH ONE GOING. IS IT ON? ON SO YEAH. OR THE BOTTOM. YEAH. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE BOTTOM ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EVENLY SIX ON SIX. THE REASON WHY IT IS 11 NOW IS
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BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE BASIN BEING THE LOOKING AT THE SLOPE OF THE, THE GRADE, THAT WAS THE BEST LOCATION WE COULD PUT THAT. AND SO THAT LIMITED US TO 11 JUST WITH THIS LAYOUT OF TWO ROWS. I MEAN, I, FIRE DEPARTMENT IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE ACCESS ISSUES, YOUR GARBAGE TRUCK, I MEAN, IT'S GOT TO BACK UP FRONT. RIGHT END. RIGHT. SO HERE IS THE LOCATION FOR OUR TRASH ENCLOSURE. YEAH, FOR THE MOST PART. SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO BACK OUT THE ENTIRE WAY BECAUSE YOU GOT ONE CAR GARAGES WITH ONE PARKING SPACE IN FRONT OF IT. SO THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE FULL. SO. EXACTLY RIGHT, SO OUR PLAN IS, WELL, WITH THE TRASH, REMOVAL IS, DEPENDING ON WHAT, CONTRACT IS IN THAT LOCATION, WE PLAN ON HAVING THE FRONT LOAD INSTEAD OF A SIDE LOAD, WELL, FRONT END SIDE LOAD. JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A COMMUNITY DOWN. SO EVERYONE IN EACH UNIT WILL HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THIS TRASH TO DUMP AND THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE A FRONT LOAD TRUCK TO EMPTY THOSE OUT. YEAH, BUT AFTER IT'S LOADE, I MEAN, THE TRUCK'S GOING TO HAVE TO BACK OUT. BACK OUT. YEAH. SO I JUST SEE WITH THIS SETUP A LOT OF ISSUES AND I AM NOT A FAN OF IT. I OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE BOARD THOUGH, TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS.SO I KNOW YOU DO. YOU'RE GOING FOR 12. THERE'S 12 UNITS ON SOME OF YOUR PLANS. THERE'S 11 UNITS ON SOME OF YOUR PLANS. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US TODAY TO VOTE ON? ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE 11 OR THE 12? LIKE ALL SAID AND DONE, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? RIGHT. TECHNICALLY, IT'S JUST ASKING FOR THE, FIRST FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE. RIGHT. AND THEN THE DENSITY BONUS. I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD BE. YEAH. SO, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST ON THE CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, WHEN IT GETS TO THE DENSITY BONUS, MAYBE WE CAN I GUESS YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THAT EXACT REQUEST IS FOR. WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY IS, IF YOU WANT TO I THINK IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT CAN HURT IN THE DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE. YEAH. SO, THOUGH OUR GOAL IS A 12 UNIT, ULTIMATELY, IDEALLY, WE ARE LOOKING TO GET A, 11 UNIT, GIVEN THE SITUATION WE HAVE, IF WE DO HAVE TO REDESIGN TO EITHER SHRINK, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH UNIT JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND ALSO ACCOMMODATE FOR WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. WE WILL, CONSIDER THAT, BUT IDEALLY, LIKE WE WERE SAYING, WE WERE LOOKING AT A 12 UNIT, BUT WE DID PUT ON PAPER 12 AND ON OUR UNITS IS SHOWING 11 JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE OUR LIMITATIONS ARE WITH THE DESIGN AND THE LOT. SO, STORM SEWER ARE YOUR IS YOUR ROOF RUN OFF? IS IT GOING TO GO TO THE CITY? STORM SEWER? YES IT WILL. IS IT GOING TO HOW YOU WANT TO DO THAT? YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT THROUGH A THE SEWER GRATES ON THE MAIN ROAD IN BETWEEN. ARE YOU GOING TO DO CONDUCTORS UNDERGROUND? THERE WILL BE THE ROOF DRAINS WILL BE GOING OUT TO THIS MAIN ROAD AND THEN WE DO HAVE CURB AND GUTTER INLETS. YOU CAN BARELY SEE THEM ON THAT SITE PLAN. SORRY BUT THERE WILL BE. THERE ARE CURB AND GUTTER INLETS THAT WILL CONNECTING ROOF RUNOFF WILL GO INTO THE STREET TO THE CURB AND GUTTER AND IT'S. AND THEN THOSE CURB AND GUTTER WILL GO DOWN TO THE BASE. MR. I HAVE TO ECHO YOUR COMMENTS THAT IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I MEAN, IT IT'S NOT ALIGNED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND PULLED UP THE STREET VIEW OF THE SITE AND IT WOULD BE MORE THAN SHOEHORNED WITH THE SURROUNDING.
COULD YOU BRING UP GOOGLE EARTH, THE 624 NORTH MAIN? CAN YOU SWITCH TO THE EARTH VIEW? SORRY. MR. CHAIRMAN COMMENT. YES, SO ONE THING I WAS NOTICING IS, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES TO THE LEFT, I MEAN, THEY'RE USING THE BACKS OF THEIR
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YARDS, LIKE, YOU CAN SEE STRUCTURES AT THE ENDS OF THEIR PROPERTIES. AND THERE'S LIKE FIVE FOOT SETBACK TO THIS BUILDING THAT THEY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REQUESTING BE PUT THERE. AND WITH THE RETAINING WALL. YEAH. SO, SO TO THAT QUESTION, THOSE PROPERTIES ON THAT PER THE CLIENT'S, REVIEW ON THE SURVEY, IS THAT THEY ARE VIOLATING THE, PROPERTY LINE WITH THEIR, THAT PROPERTY, THOSE PROPERTY AT THE BACK. I'M SORRY THAT THEY'RE WHAT SAY IT ONE MORE TIME. THE SO WITH THE PROPERTIES YOU'RE REFERRING TO WITH THE RED END, THE CLIENTS ARE SAYING THAT THOSE OWNERS ARE VIOLATING INTO THEIR PROPERTY WHILE THEY'RE ON. YEAH, THEY'RE YOUR CLIENTS PROPERTY. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT.SO WHEN YOUR SKETCH PLAN ON PAGE 96, IT SHOWS THOSE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, BUT NOT ON YOUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY. FOR INSTANCE, MR. VOLLRATH'S PROPERTY. I'M NOT. I'M NOT DISPUTING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S HARD FOR US TO DETERMINE THAT WHEN THE SKETCH PLAN DOESN'T SHOW THAT. I COULD SEE THE ONE BUILDING BEING UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, I GUESS, LET ME PULL UP THE. THANK YOU. YEAH. I MEAN, GOOGLE EARTH WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH. YES, IT WAS A LITTLE OFF. WHEN IT ALIGNS WITH THE AERIAL, IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING. YEAH LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE BUILT RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY'RE ON THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH WHEN THEY WERE BUILT MAYBE IT WAS FINE. YOU KNOW MAYBE. YEAH. I MEAN THE SETBACKS COULD HAVE BEEN WAY DIFFERENT AT THAT TIME WHEN THOSE WERE CONSTRUCTED, I'M NOT. AND UNTIL WE SEE AN OFFICIAL SURVEY FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER, WE CAN'T ADDRESS THAT AT, YOU KNOW. RIGHT NOW, FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, THEY'RE ON THEIR PROPERTY, BUT WE'D HAVE TO SEE AN OFFICIAL SURVEY. AND THE ASK ON THE TABLE IS JUST TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY AS PUD. SORRY, THAT'S WHAT PUD WAS MENTIONED, BUT IT'S JUST A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE CURRENT FOR, FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
OKAY SO EVEN WITH THEIR CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, LIKE MIKE HAD MENTIONED, IS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WENT WITH DUPLEXES, THAT COULD BE PERMITTED ON THE SITE WITH THAT CONDITIONAL USE. BUT YOU'RE REFERRING TO DUPLEXES INSTEAD OF SINGLE FAMILIES, RIGHT, THEY WOULD STILL BE ATTACHED UNITS. WE WOULD STILL CONSIDER A DUPLEX A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNIT, BECAUSE IT'S ATTACHED BY THAT, INTERIOR WALL. SO THAT WOULD THAT IF YOU GOT THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVED TONIGHT FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, I THINK THEIR DISCUSSION WAS THAT THE COMP PLAN RECOMMENDS DUPLEXES OR QUADS. SO THAT WOULD BE THEIR PREFERENCE INSTEAD OF A 5 OR 6 UNIT BUILDING, WHICH IS FAIR TO ASK. I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THAT, IN THE, IN THE NOTES. AND I THINK WHAT WE ADDRESSED WAS TO DO A TEN UNIT AND THEN HAVE A FUTURE, UNIT FOR THAT COMP PLAN, WHICH WAS A DUPLEX OR A FOURPLEX. SO CONVERTING ONE OF THOSE INTO A FUTURE PLAN. I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU, I CAN'T RECALL. I HAVE TO PULL IT UP ON THAT NOTE, BUT IT WASN'T, IF YOU WANT TO OPEN THAT UP IN THE, COMMENTS ON THE ON THE DESIGN, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO TEN AND UTILIZE THREE BUILDINGS TO MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. RIGHT.
OKAY. YEAH, ARE YOU AND YOUR CLIENT OPEN TO THAT? YES. OKAY. YEAH SO IT WOULD BE MAYBE THREE TRIPLEXES AND ONE QUAD, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY, I THINK I'M MUCH MORE OPEN TO THAT AS IT, FOLLOWS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WOULD IT BE THREE TRIPLEXES AND A QUAD, OR WOULD YOU STILL EXPECT THERE TO FIVE AND FIVE BANKS? YEAH. THOSE THREE BUILDINGS. SO I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY WORK THAT OUT. IS, IS ARE THEY DUPLEXES. ARE THEY TRIPLEXES. ARE THEY QUADS.
RIGHT, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW A, HOW THOSE WOULD BE SEPARATED AND STILL FIT. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU COULD THEY'RE NUMBERED DIFFERENT ON DIFFERENT PLANS OR TEXTS AND CIVIL DON'T AGREE, BETWEEN 3 AND 4 ON WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE. LIKE IF YOU JUST SEPARATED THOSE TO CREATE SOME GREEN SPACE, BUT
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WE'RE STILL RUNNING INTO NARROW ALLEY OR NARROW ROAD. YEAH. IT'S STILL I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE A TURNAROUND THERE. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THERE'S STILL ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE FIGURED OUT AS WE PROCEED. IF WE APPROVE, THAT WOULD. YES BE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEM IN A BIND TO SAY THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO PUT ON HERE. SO THE DENSITY REQUEST IS NEXT. YEAH I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD.YEAH. I MEAN, TECHNICALLY WE ARE WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE BUILDING THAT THEY ARE PRESENTING. CORRECT. THAT'S THE HEART. YEAH, I GUESS I AM VOICING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CLOSER AND PERHAPS GO TO TEN UNITS, THREE BUILDINGS, SO THAT YOU HAVE THREE TRIES AND QUADS, IS A SUGGESTION AT THIS POINT, RIGHT, THERE WILL BE OTHER ROUNDS TO FIGURE OUT. THE LAYOUT AND THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APPROVAL, AND YEAH, THERE'S GOING TO BE ISSUES WITH THIS PROPERTY. WE I MEAN, YOU ARE ALREADY WELL AWARE OF THAT.
ABSOLUTELY, YEAH. YOU WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE FINE WITH THE ACCESS POINTS. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY AND HOW CLOSE THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE TO SETBACKS AND PROPERTY. I MEAN, AS LONG AS THEY'RE MEETING THE MINIMUM SETBACKS, I MEAN, IT'S THEY SHOULDN'T BE FAULTED BECAUSE, ADJOINING PROPERTY HAD OLD ZONING AND THE BUILDINGS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. AS LONG AS THEY ARE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS. AND THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF AN ODD SITE BECAUSE THOSE WOULD THOSE ARE CONSIDERED THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, HERE FOR THEIR PROPERTY. AND THIS IS THE FRONT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW THAT HAS LAID OUT BECAUSE IT'S A SIDE YARD. YEAH ARE WE PLANNING ON PUTTING PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THOSE JUST TO CREATE THAT SEPARATION. WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ALSO APPLYING FOR THE SIX FOOT FENCE VARIANCE AS WELL. AND THAT FENCE IS, BETWEEN UNITS OR BEHIND THE UNITS BEHIN. OKAY. THERE'S A THEY'RE ATTACHED. THEY CAN GO IN BETWEEN THE UNITS OKAY. BETWEEN THE END OF THE, THE BACKYARDS. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU STEP ON YOUR PATIO, THEY STEP ON THEIR PATIO. THERE'S A FENCE BETWEEN.
YEAH, YEAH. I WAS NOT 100% CLEAR. RIGHT. SO I GUESS. WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? ARE THEY TEED OFF THE BACK OR ARE THEY A LONG ALONG OKAY. ALONG ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE? ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, ALL THOSE OTHER VARIANCES PART OF THIS REQUEST AS WELL. WELL THAT WOULD BE THE OR IS THAT PART OF THE DENSITY ON THE NEXT ONE. THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN ONCE THEY GET TO THAT DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. IF I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT VOTING ON MORE THINGS THAT I THINK I'M VOTING ON, SURE. SO THE ENCOURAGING VOTE IS THE DENSITY, THEN PENDING VOTE. IS IT THE DENSITY? THAT'S THE SECOND VOTE.
WE HAVE TO RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE ALLOWING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. AND THAT IS A CONDITIONAL USE THAT IS TECHNICALLY SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. BUT SO ARE DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND QUADS, SO IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THIS CURRENT ZONING. SO WE'RE NOT ADDING ANYTHING. RIGHT. YOU KNOW SO IT'S PROVING THAT AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE DENSITY GLASS. AND WE'LL ALSO GO THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND SUCH OKAY I'M I MOTION TO WELL IF YEAH KATHY YOUR COMMENTS ALL RIGHT I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. YES. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? YES, SIR. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. SIT DOWN. YOU CAN USE THAT BACK PODIUM WHEREVER. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. MY NAME IS DEREK HERSE.
I AM, THE CORNER LOT AT 622 NORTH MAIN STREET. I HAVE, TALKED WITH THEM FROM TIME TO TIME. THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY NICE PEOPLE. I LIKE WORKING WITH THEM. I LIKE YOU GUYS. MY CONCERN THERE IS THE. HOW DOES THE TRASH TRUCK GET IN AND OUT? BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY NARROW SPOT, I CAN SEE I FORESEE, YOU KNOW, YOUNG PEOPLE. WELL ANYBODY OF ANY AGE IS GETTING IN THERE. AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET GRADUATION PARTIES AND STUFF, THE CARS ARE GOING TO GET PACKED, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT DAY THE TRASH DAY COMES THROUGH,
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YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE I COULD FORESEE, ACCIDENTS HAPPENING. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I AM QUESTIONING IS, OR PERSONALLY. WELL, TWO THINGS. ONE, I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THE PRIVACY FENCE, IT FROM MY NEIGHBOR'S VIEW AND OURS, IT JUST BLOCKS OUT OUR VIEW ENTIRELY. BUT GETTING TO THE NEXT PART IS WHERE MY HOUSE SITS AS A CORNER LOT IN THAT AERIAL VIEW IS AND ON THEIRS IS BY THERE'S TWO TREES. ARE THEY PREPARED TO TAKE THEM DOWN TO PUT IN ELECTRICITY LINE, OR HOW ARE THEY PLANNING ON GETTING ELECTRICITY TO THOSE HOUSES, TO THAT HOUSING? WITH THAT? THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. I APPRECIATE IT. YES, MA'AM. CATHY YOUNG, 425 WEST EIGHTH. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SIZE OR THE SIDE YARD. BUT YOU HAVE TO GO IN, SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING FIVE FEET. THAT'S LIKE THE DISTANCE OF THIS TABLE. AND IF THERE ARE SHEDS ON THE LINE OR OVER THE LINE, THAT'S ADVERSE POSSESSION. THOSE PEOPLE GET TO KEEP THOSE. SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? I MEAN WE'RE TALKING FIVE FOOT THAT. AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT FITS. YOU KNOW YOU GOT A TRAILER PARK ON ONE SIDE AND THEN YOU GOT YOUR MAIN STREET, WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO DO MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS ON MAIN STREET. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE UNITS SHOVED IN THERE. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK? JUST LOOKING AT YOU PRETTY MUCH NOW. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL CLOSE. CITIZEN COMMENTS, COME BACK UP. WE'LL TALK, A FEW OF THE ITEMS. SO, I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT. BUT IF YOU HIT AGAIN AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS PRELIMINARY, THERE IS A LOT MORE ENGINEERING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. EXACTLY. AND OTHER APPROVALS THAT WILL NEED TO BE DONE. YES. BUT TRASH, TRAFFIC, PARKING. EXACTLY. GOT IT. YEAH. NO, I AGREE. SO TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS, WE DON'T WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FEEL ON AN EASE. SO THIS ALL THIS WILL BE A TOPMOST PRIORITY TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE. OF COURSE. AND ALSO TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN. SO WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION IF WE HAVE TO MEET YOU IN PERSON OR HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE, WE'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, THAT WOULD BE ALMOST CONCERNING FOR THE MOST PART. SO, OKAY. NOW ALSO, I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY, I ASSUME AT THIS POINT AS FAR AS THE ELECTRICITY WAS ASKED, PROBABLY NOT. NO, IT HASN'T BEEN CONSIDERED YET YET AT THIS POINT. YEAH. BUT THE TREES DO.WE HAVE A DRAWING THAT HAS THOSE THOSE TREES IN PARTICULAR THE AERIAL VIEW, AERIAL VIEW. YEAH.
NUMBER TWO, NUMBER TWO HERE. IF, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, IT SAYS 60IN FOR THESE TWO. OH OKAY. SO YEAH. SO THAT'S LIKE RIGHT BELOW THE PROPERTY. YEAH. SIGNIFICANT. THAT'S WHAT OUR SURVEY IS LOOKING FOR IS 60IN ELECTRICAL. GO UNDER UNDERGROUND ANYWAY MIKE OKAY. YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE I SPECIFICALLY NEED TO ONE ON MY PROPERTY BECAUSE IT HAS TO COME OFF OF HOLLY DRIVE SOMEWHERE INTO THEIR PROPERTIES AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD IT. BUT I MEAN, SO, ROB, I GUESS SAY THAT AGAIN. IT WOULD GO UNDERGROUND. ALL ALL NEW ELECTRIC UNDERGROUND. THEY WOULDN'T BRING IT OVERHEAD. SO. WELL, I MEAN, SO IS THERE AN OVERHEAD LINE GOING, GOING DOWN THAT STREET. AND THEN THEY WOULD TAKE IT UNDERGROUND LIKE AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN GO UNDER UNDERGROUND FROM THERE. CORRECT SO ELECTRICITY MAY NOT, AFFECT THOSE TREES, THE LAYOUT, OF THE PROPERTY MAY AFFECT THOSE TREES. THERE'S WELL, I GUESS. OKAY. SO THAT ONE IS CLEARLY ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THOSE TWO. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. SO PROBABLY HAVE TO OTHER 60 INCH HERE AS WELL. IT LOOKS LIKE THREE OF THOSE. THIS ONE'S. WELL THAT ONE IS ON HIS PROPERTY. NO NO THAT'S RIGHT. THIS IS I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE. YEAH THAT THAT SHAPE THERE IS OKAY. YEAH YEAH IT'S A THAT IS AN ODD SHAPE LIKE UNION COUNTY. YEAH SURE IS. WELL LET'S SEE AS WE IF WE PROCEED THROUGH THE PROCESS, I MEAN WE WILL THERE ARE STANDARDS FOR, YOU
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KNOW, MAINTAINING TREES OR IF UNABLE TO MAINTAIN, OTHER MEASURES, YES. WE, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP OLD TREES. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WHERE POSSIBL. IT'S FOR, PRIVACY FENCE. I MEAN, I THINK YOU YOU PROBABLY WERE GOING DOWN THE ROUTE OF PRIVACY FENCE BECAUSE YOU FEEL THAT NEIGHBORS WOULD WANT THEM, RIGHT? AND IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. BOTH CLIENTS AND NEIGHBORS.YEAH, SURE. I MEAN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AS YOU PROCEED, WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO COME TO SOMETHING THAT IS PLEASING FOR EVERYONE. SO ABSOLUTELY, YES. HAVE JUST HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S AMICABLE. SO THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT THEN, AS FAR AS THE SETBACKS AND SIDE YARDS, I MEAN, I, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW CODE. I MEAN, IT ALL MEETS THE CITY CODE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT CALLING A BACKYARD A SIDE YARD IS MAYBE A LITTLE ODD, BUT, BECAUSE OF ORIENTATION AND SUCH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS. SO OKAY.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HEARD DURING COMMENTS THAT I THINK WE ADDRESSED ALL ANYONE ELSE? OKAY ALL RIGHT. SO FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR. YES. YEAH. FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, I WOULD SAY WITH A CONDITION OF GOING TO MORE TRIPLEXES DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, QUADPLEXES, YOU KNOW, STYLE BUILDINGS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE? MR. STEIN, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. FISHER? YES. MR. STILIAN. YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES, MISS.
VERBIS. YES ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WE ROLL RIGHT INTO THE NEXT ONE. SURE. SO THIS IS THE
[5. To hear an application for a Density Bonus Allotment request for a single-family attached residential development (Lanzville) in the Village Residential (VRD) zoning district at 624 N Main Street.]
DENSITY BONUS. LET ME READ MY SHEET. ONCE I GET IT IN FRONT OF ME, IT'S TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A DENSITY BONUS ALLOTMENT REQUEST FOR A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, LANDS L LANDISVILLE AND THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT AT 624 NORTH MAIN STREET. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. YEP ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SO WITH THE DENSITY BONUS, APPLICATION, WE'RE LOOKING TO, GO FROM A EIGHT UNIT TO A 12 UNIT. PARCEL REQUEST. SAME SCENARIOS WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL PIECES, WHICH IS THE, THE DOORS, THE CABLES, WE'VE WE DID OUR BEST TO INCORPORATE AT LEAST THREE OF THESE INTO THE DESIGN. IF YOU DO WANT TO GO INTO THE ELEVATION PLAN. YEP THANK YOU. ONE OF THE FEW INSTANCES WHERE WE ARE APPLYING FOR THE VARIANCE WAS THE SIDING MATERIAL. LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WHERE WE FEEL AS THOUGH THE PRIOR MATERIAL DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT, REQUIREMENTS. SO OUR, PART OF OUR APPLICATION IS ALSO TO APPLY FOR THAT VARIANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES COMPLY WITH, IT COULD COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, MARYSVILL, SO APART FROM THAT, WE DO HAVE A PORCH, CABLE OR ARTICULATED CABLE VENT, OVERHANGS OF AT LEAST THREE FEET WIDE. AND WE HAVE A WINDOW INCLUDED, WE HAVE A DOOR OF AT LEAST 28FT■!S. IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I CAN ANSWER. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU SAID THE DOORS, THE WINDOWS. YEAH, PORCHES. I DIDN'T SEE PORCHES LISTED ON HERE. WHERE ARE THE PORCHES, THE UNDER THE GARAGE DOOR AND THE FRONT DOOR ON THE FRONT DOOR OR JUST OVERHANG? YEAH. WHICH WAS OUR INTERPRETATION, BUT I THINK WE WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT WHAT IS THEIR USE DENSITY BONUS OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS VERSUS THE ADDITIONAL. SO WE DID NOT[01:15:01]
RECEIVE ANY UPDATED DOCUMENTATION YET. OKAY YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN TO ME PORCHES SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU CAN SIT THAT'S MORE OF A STOOP I GUESS. RIGHT WHICH WE, WE DID INCORPORATE, BUT IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE THE UPDATED COPY OF THAT. BUT WE DID INCORPORATE A PORCH ON THE FRONT, WHERE THE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE, SHOULD BE AWARE, ONE OF THE WINDOWS ARE OF THE UNIT IN THE FRONT SIDE. BUT, AGAIN, I CAN SEND THAT. WE CAN SEND THAT OVER TO YOU AFTER THIS FOR SURE. OBVIOUSLY, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, ARCHITECTURE IS GOING TO CHANGE SOME BASED ON DISCUSSION. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. BUT ALL RIGHT. BUT SO TO GET BACK TO, TO ONE OF THE EARLIER THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT, SO YOU WANT TO USE VINYL SIDING IN OUR SEEKING OF WE'LL SEEK A VARIANCE FOR THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. YES CURRENTLY WE DO NOT ALLOW VINYL SIDING ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. CORRECT? I MEAN, CORRECT, I CAN'T IMAGINE. I MEA, I'M NOT ON THE VARIANCE BOARD, SO, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE, BUT, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, IT'S JUST NOT HOW THINGS ARE BUILT HERE. RIGHT, RIGHT. WHICH IS FAIR, BECAUSE GIVEN THE DISTRICT WE ARE IN IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DO COMPLY WITH WHAT THE LOOK IS, SO HAS ALTERNATIVES. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE APART FROM WHAT WAS LISTED? IT WAS NOT FINAL, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, FOR THE MOST PART, A SIMPLE, A DECORATIVE CONCRETE, INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN, SO WE DO HAVE THE ELEMENT OF THE HISTORIC, HISTORIC VIEW, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS OF THAT IN OUR DESIGN, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A STANDPOINT OF MAINTENANCE AND, FOR THE MOST PART, LONGEVITY, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE UNITS WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF OVER THE YEARS, BUT WE DO WANT THEM TO LAST, TAKING CARE OF CEMENT BOARD OVER YEARS, TEN, 20 YEARS FROM NOW. THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE REMEDIATION FOR THAT. SO OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP IT AS LO, THE COST AS LOW AS POSSIBLE, BUT EASILY TO BE MAINTAINED IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. SO, SORRY. GETTING BACK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, SEE ON HERE, ARTICULATED GABLE VENTS, AT LEAST FORCE. SO THAT'S THE THAT THE CIRCLES. YEP. OKAY AT LEAST FOR FOUR SQUARE FEET IN AREA THREE. FORGET ALL RIGHT. AND THEN OVERHANGS MINIMUM OF THREE FEET. YEP GOES IN THE FRONT ELEVATION AND ARE VISIBLE FROM THE SIDE ELEVATION WOULD GO TO THE SIDE ELEVATION. OKAY.ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. DOES A THIRD ELEMENT NEED TO BE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL? YES. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REAR AS WELL AS MR. WOLFOWITZ COMMENTS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE MEETING, WAS THAT THE REAR WAS VERY FLAT AND NEEDED SOME ADDITIONAL, REVIEW AND, ADDRESS. IT TO IMPROVE THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. OKAY. AND ARE YOU OPEN TO ADDING SOMETHING TO THAT FLATNESS OF THE BACK? YES, I DO BELIEVE FROM, FROM OUR ARCHITECTS THAT DUE TO THE LOT LIMITATIONS, AS WE, WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH, BUT, I DO BELIEVE THAT THEIR CONSIDERATION AND THIS WAS TO AT LEAST, HAVE THE 4 OR 3 DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WE JUST MENTIONED BE THE MOST TOP IMPORTANCE IN OUR DESIGN. AND THEN, ON THE REAR END, IF WE ARE PERMITTED, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE SOME TYPE OF, CHANGES TO THE FLATNESS, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH, SO MUCH ROOM TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES, WHICH IS THE DIFFICULT PART ABOUT THIS LOT, COMING IN. SO WE ARE OPEN TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE ARE OPEN TO IT AS LONG AS WE ARE ABLE TO REDESIGN IT TO FIT THE CRITERIA FOR IT.
YEAH OKAY. AND I KNOW WE JUST SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT TECHNICALLY THINKING THINKING THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN APPROVE DESIGN FEATURES ON A BUILDING THAT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK THE SAME. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CONSTRUCT THESE. THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT DUPLEXES OR TRIPLEXES OR WHATEVER THAT ELEMENT IS. SO AT THIS POINT,
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REQUESTING A DENSITY BONUS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED, WE MAY NOT WANT TO VOTE ON THAT. YEAH. I ALSO THINK 12 WAS VERY AGGRESSIVE, VERY AGGRESSIVE. SO I RECOMMEND TO YOU, SIR, THAT YOU TABLE YOUR DENSITY BONUS UNTIL YOU COME UP WITH A FINAL DESIGN FOR BOTH APPLICATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT. WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE REFERRED TO THE DENSITY OKAY. AND I MEAN I WAS SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, NOT THE WHOLE BOARD. I MEAN, I THINK WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THE DENSITY BONUS. YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. BUT AS ASHLEY STATED, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE BASED ON DISCUSSIONS. SO, WE CAN TABLE IT. AND ONCE YOU HAVE SOME, SOME RENDERINGS PRELIMINARY, YOU KNOW, I'D PROBABLY BE A BETTER TIME TO GO OVER. THAT'S FAIR. YEAH OR YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT. I AM. OKAY, ALL RIGHT. WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU ADVICE. FOR THE RECORD, I TAKE I TAKE A LITTLE ADVICE, THOUGH. I MEAN, THE WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER. I MEAN, IF THERE IS ANY OTHER, I DO THINK 1212 IS A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE. I MEAN, IT'S FROM 8 TO 12. THAT'S 102. SO EIGHT UNITS IS THEIR BASE EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE IS THE BASE FOR THAT DISTRICT, WHICH COULD BE FOR DUPLEXES, IT IS A ONE ACRE PLOT. SO THAT'S KIND OF NICE TO PICTURE. AND THEN IF THEY WENT UP FROM THAT, THEY COULD DO THE, ONE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE WHICH WOULD REQUEST TEN UNITS AN ACRE. YEAH. SO, SO THEY ACTUALLY MAY ONLY HAVE TO GO AFTER A LEVEL ONE OR LEVEL TWO. RIGHT YES. IF THEY GO WITH TEN UNITS. SO SO IT WILL SCALE IT DOWN TO A LEVEL ONE FOR A TEN UNIT. IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE TEN UNITS ON THAT PROPERTY OKAY.YEAH YEAH. WE LOOKING FOR WHERE WE CAN PUSH THE ENVELOPE BUT YEAH. NO I MEAN HEY IF YOU WANT MORE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY NO. BUT AS FAR AS, MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPROVAL. YEAH, YEAH. SO JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, SO. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. SINCE WE ARE TABLING, DO WE NEED CITIZEN COMMENTS OR. I DON'T THINK SO.
OKAY. WE'LL HAVE THOSE COMMENTS IF THEY ARE AT THAT TIME. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE IF THERE'S ANY CITIZENS THAT WANT TO SPEAK NOW TO PROVIDE COMMENTS, THAT'S FINE. BUT, YOU STILL OKAY? ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ABOUT THE DENSITY BONUS? OKAY ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS PURPOSE, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. FISHER? YES MR. STALLION. YES, MR. NICKERSON. YES, MISS VERBIS. YES THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THIS PROJECT. AND LOOK FORWARD TO WHERE IT'S GOING.
ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT TAKES US THROUGH NEW BUSINESS, DISCUSSION ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THIS EVENING? WE DON'T. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO SCHEDULE SOMETHING MAYBE FOR THE AUGUST MEETING TO CONTINUE ON THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, WE GOT A COUPLE, LIKE, IN SOME ZONING CHANGES, LIKE FARM ANIMALS AND TWO MEETINGS. YEAH WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT. THE LANGUAGE FOR THE MARIJUANA. TO PUT IT. OH, THAT'S STILL. I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY YET FOR. YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY FOR AUGUST YET ON THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ON THE STATE LEVEL. I WASN'T I DON'T NOTHING YET. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. NOVEMBER YEAH, BUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, STERILITE THAT HAD COME IN TO REQUEST THE ADDITIONAL USE ADDED TO MY DISTRICT BACK. OH, YES. YEAH.
TWO AGO. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, SO WE MIGHT BRING THAT FORWARD IN AUGUST, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME OTHER APPLICATIONS, THAT WE ANTICIPATE COMING FORWARD. SO WE'LL KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT AGENDA LOOKS LIKE. AND, AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE A SECOND MEETING OR NOT THAT
[DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT]
MONTH. OKAY ALL RIGHT. DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT I WAS I MISSED LAST MISS SO DID I.SO ACTUALLY WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS I WASN'T THERE EITHER, LET ME SEE. DID YOU GO TO DRB? WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPORT ON WHAT HAPPENED AT DRB? KATHY, ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS WAS TABLED, SO WE HAD AN APPLICATION AT COLEMAN'S CROSSING THAT HAD TABLED PRIOR TO THE MEETING. OH, THERE WAS A WINDOWS DISCUSSION FOR THE UPTOWN. OKAY, I THINK JUST AN UPDATE MAYBE ON WHAT HAD
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BEEN TALKED ABOUT WITH A COUPLE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. NO A. HANDFUL OF, HOME IMPROVEMENT GRANTS. THERE WAS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT WAS TABLED, THEY WERE WORKING OUT UTILITIES STILL. SO THEY HAVE RESOLVED THOSE. THEY'LL BE COMING BACK HERE, NEXT WEEK. SORRY. WAIT.THIS IS MY. THIS IS OUR MEETING FOR, NEXT WEEK PREVIEW. I WAS OKAY, TWO HOME IMPROVEMENT GRANTS. DWELL THE DWELLING UNIT. WE HAD THE, A WATKINS ROAD REGIONAL MIXED USE DISTRICT.
THERE WAS A BUILDING EXPANSION, WE HAD THE ASSISTED LIVING OUT AT WOODSIDE THAT WAS GOING TO DO SOME SIGNAGE AND THEN THIS LAST ITEM AT COLEMAN'S CROSSING, THEY HAD TABLED PRIOR TO THE MEETING, THEY DIDN'T EVEN ATTEND TO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS. WILL THEY BE ON THIS MONTH? THEY WILL BE. YEAH. GOOD. GOING TO BE SHORT, IT ACTUALLY WE GOT A HANDFUL OF HOME IMPROVEMENT GRANTS, BUT THOSE USUALLY GO PRETTY QUICKLY. AND HONESTLY, I THINK THE OTHER ONES MIGHT MIGHT GO FAIRLY QUICKLY AS WELL. SO OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO COMMENTS FROM
[COMMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS]
INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS. MISS VERBS. HAPPY 4TH OF JULY. THANKS, MR. FISHER, NO COMMENTS, MR. STEIN. NO COMMENTS. AND I HAVE NO COMMENTS AS WELL, WITH THAT, MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY