Aug 06, 2024 Planning Commission

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THE MICS ON, PLEASE. OKAY, GOOD EVENING, IT IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 6TH, 2024 AT 6:31 P.M, I'D LIKE

[CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[SWEARING OF CITIZENS & APPLICANTS]

[1. To hear an application for a Conditional Use request to permit a single-family located at 212 W 4th Street in the Uptown Single Family District (USF).]

OKAY I'M STEPHANIE ERICKSON. MY PRIMARY ADDRESS IS 615 WEST SEVENTH STREET, MARYSVILLE, OHIO. WE STARTED THIS SINGLE UNIT. IT WAS A VACANT LOT, WE BOUGHT IT. MAYBE FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO, BUT WE GOT THE SINGLE OCCUPANCY, APPROVAL IN 2020, AND WE HAD PLANNED TO MAKE IT, TOP FLOOR, ONE UNIT, BOTTOM FLOOR, SECOND UNIT, BUT FOR COST REASONS, WE JUST FOCUSED ON GETTING THE TOP DONE. SO NOW WE'RE READY TO GET THE BOTTOM FLOOR DONE, WE GOT A VARIANT APPROVED, TO ONLY ALLOW TWO PARKING SPOTS INSTEAD OF FOUR DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT, WE ARE, THOUGH. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE CONCRETE GUYS TODAY. THEY'RE POURING THE CONCRETE. SO THOSE TWO PARKING SPOTS IN THE BACK ARE LITERALLY GETTING CONCRETED AS WE SPEAK THIS WEEK. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. GOOD, GOOD. AND THE, THE PAVING OR, LAYING THE CONCRETE OF THE PARKING SPOTS SEEM TO BE THE, THE ONE ITEM THAT WAS IN QUESTION AND IS IN PROGRESS.

YEP. IT'S ACTUALLY ALL PREPPED. SO THEY'RE BORN TOMORROW. ALL RIGHT. FANTASTIC. YEAH, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM FROM THE BOARD. OKAY, OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS OR ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, SO IF WE APPROVE IT, I MEAN, I KNOW THE PARKING SPOTS ARE IN PROGRESS. DO WE NEED TO MAKE IT CONTINGENT UPON THAT, OR IS THAT I MEAN, THE CITY HAS ALREADY SAID THAT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I KNOW IT'S IN PROGRESS. YEAH ARE WE OKAY WITH JUST APPROVING OR SHOULD WE? I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH IT WHEN WE GO OUT TO DO THE FINAL CO, WE'LL JUST CONFIRM THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, AT THAT TIME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THE FINAL SCENE WAS ALREADY APPROVED. HAD TO BE A TKO WITH THE LOTS NOT COMPLETE.

THEY THEY APPROVED THE FINAL CO WITH THE CONDITION THAT THOSE PARKING AREAS WERE TO BE COMPLETED, AND THEY HAD NOT BEEN COMPLETED AT AT THE TIME OF THIS APPLICATION. SO THAT WAS WHY WE ALSO HAD IT ON HERE. TO INCLUDE THAT. OKAY IF YOU WANT TO ADD IT AS A CONDITION THAT WE JUST CONFIRM, LATER THIS WEEK THAT THOSE ARE FINALIZED, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, PARKING SPOTS, ARE TO BE COMPLETED?

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MR. I ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WAS THAT EASY, STEPHANIE? ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THAT? NO

[2. To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Sketch Plan application for a development known as Marysville East Section 3 located at Parcels with ID numbers of 2800170080010, 2800170050000, 2800170060010, 2800170010000, 2800140280010, 2800170030000.]

SECTION THREE, LOCATED AT PARCELS WITH ID NUMBERS. OF 2800170080010280017005000028001, 02800170010000280014, 0280010 AND 2800170030000. IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE. TO PRESENT? YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS. MR. ABSOLUTELY, BART.

ERIC ROCKFORD, DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENTS, 5979 DUBLIN ROAD, DELAWARE, OHIO. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HEARING ME TONIGHT, SEEING HOW THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PUD. YOU'VE SEEN THE SKETCH PLAN, THE SKETCH PLAN. THERE'S A FEW CHANGES AROUND ABOUT SOME OTHER STUFF THAT THE CITY REQUESTED, I'LL POINT THOSE OUT, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I'M GOING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH A FEW OF THESE SLIDES FAIRLY QUICK, THERE'S A COUPLE IN THE BACK THAT CAME FOR THIS. I CAN BRING THEM UP TO SPEED ON THAT LATER, OR WE CAN SLOW DOWN IF YOU SEE HIM RAISE YOUR HAND OR SOMETHING. SO, THE CITY, 244 ACRES, ROUGHLY, IT WRAPS AROUND TRACTOR SUPPLY, NORTH IS ALL MILL CREEK. IT'S GOING TO BE A PARK SYSTEM THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. THIS IS ANNEXATIONS ONE, TWO AND THREE. THIS IS A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ON THE EAST SIDE, ONE AND TWO DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, ONE AND TWO CREATED ROUGHLY WHICH, WHICH, BUSINESS PARK, WHICH WOULD BE UPWARDS TO 850 ACRES WHEN IT'S ALL COMBINED. NOW WE BROUGHT THROUGH 600 AND SOME ACRES ON ANNEXATION ONE AND TWO. THERE'S ANOTHER 70 PLUS ACRES THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO IT. AND THIS THEN ATTACHES TO THE AREA THAT SCOTT'S HAS. IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR. SO THAT'S HOW WE GET TO THE 850. THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. BUT THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK, BUSINESS PARK IS GOING TO BRING NEW EMPLOYERS, HIGH PAYING JOBS, INCOME TAX AND THE PROPERTY VALUES. SORRY AND THE PROPERTY VALUES, WILL INCREASE, OBVIOUSLY. ANNEXATION THREE, THESE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO WORK IN THIS AREA NEED A PLACE TO LIVE. IT'S ALSO, YOU GUYS ARE WELL AWARE THERE'S A HOUSING CRISIS AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER HOMES THAT ARE NEEDED.

SO HOMES FOR THE WORKERS. BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO BRING RETAIL, TO START THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT DOWN 36, AT LEAST ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR RESTAURANTS AND RESIDENTIAL SERVICES. THIS ANNEXATION THREE WILL ALSO START TO PUT TOGET&-PS PARK SYSTEMS THAT WILL HAVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF MARYSVILLE. THERE'S A FEW PIECES OF ANNEXATION, ONE THAT WAS RESERVED FOR PARK AND RECREATIONAL AREAS, AND TRAILS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEN ON ANNEXATION TWO, WE HAD THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE AGREED WITH THE BUXTON RESIDENTS, BUXTON MEADOWS RESIDENTS, WHICH WE WILL BRING THE TRAIL SYSTEM DOWN INTO. THERE AND IT WILL CONNECT, UP INTO THE RAILROAD TRACK LINE AND THEN ULTIMATELY AROUND THE CREEK. BUT THIS IS THE FIRST ANNEXATION. THREE IS THE FIRST MAJOR PIECE OF THE PARK SYSTEM. THIS ALSO WILL HELP DEVELOP THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, WHICH IS A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE MOST PART. YOU CAN SEE THERE I KNOW WHAT THE BAD WORDS IN MARYSVILLE ARE, WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S THREE, BUT IT'S TIFS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS WANT TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW. I COULD DO THIS PROJECT WITH A TIF. THERE'S GREAT REASONS TO USE TIFS, AND WE COULD DO IT WITHOUT A TIF, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING OPTIONS THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY IS A BETTER OPTION BASED ON WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE. WITH THE APPROVAL OF TIFS, I PROBABLY DON'T EVEN WANT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND THOSE FUNDING OPTIONS THROUGH COMMUNITY 40 DOESN'T IMPACT THE SCHOOLS. SO EVERYTHING WE DEVELOP, THE SCHOOLS WILL GET WHATEVER THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THAT, THE LIBRARY WILL GET IT, 911 WILL GET IT, AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY WILL MANAGE THE PARK SYSTEM, SO THIS WON'T BE UNLESS MARYSVILLE WANTS IT TO BE, BUT THIS WON'T BE PART OF THE MARYSVILLE PARK SYSTEM. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO LINK TO THOSE AREAS. RESIDENTS ARE ALLOWED TO. IT'S NOT A PRIVATE PARK SYSTEM. IT'S A PUBLIC PARK SYSTEM. BUT THIS WILL BE THE ENTITY IN THE BOARD WHICH WILL MANAGE THAT. AND THEN THAT FUNDING MECHANISM WITH THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. IT REMOVES SOME OF THE BURDEN OF INFRASTRUCTURE FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, ESSENTIALLY, A COMMUNITY AUTHORITY GETS THEIR MONEY FOR FUNDING FROM THE FUTURE RESIDENTS. THE BUSINESSES AND THE ENTITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THAT AREA, SO THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF, ESSENTIALLY PAYING FOR YOUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE WENT

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AND WE DID THAT SO THE CATTAILS WOULD GROW. AND WE REFUSED TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO HUNT. AND THE MUSKRATS COME IN IN THE WINTER, AND THEY EAT THE CATTAILS, AND THE MINK COME IN AND EAT THE MUSKRATS AND IT BECOMES A NATURAL PROGRESSION. AND, YOU KNOW, THE DUCKS COME IN AND BECAUSE THERE'S CATTAILS, THEY DON'T LIKE OUR PONDS BECAUSE THEY, THEY WANT TO WALK INTO THE POND. WE'RE PROBABLY NOT DOING NATURAL PONDS HERE. THE MAJORITY OF THE BIG DETENTION PONDS, WHICH WILL BE COUNTED AS THAT WILL HAVE FOUNTAINS, WILL HAVE BENCHES AND WILL HAVE TRAVEL AROUND THEM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE MORE OF THE DETENTION PONDS AS THE BUFFER.

AND I WROTE THAT VERY CAREFULLY IN THE TEXT. AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE PICTURES THAT ANYBODY WANTS A TOUR OF JEROME VILLAGE, I CAN GET YOU THERE, SO THE HIGHER DESIGN STANDARDS I TALKED ABOUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF MARYSVILLE, THESE STANDARDS, THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS I BRING IN WILL INCORPORATE THESE STANDARDS AS WELL. SO YOU WILL START TO GET CONSISTENCY AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, ONE, DEVELOPING OR TWO THESE, THESE STANDARDS CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO OTHER STANDARDS. IF OTHER PEOPLE WOULD BRING GROUND IN ON MARYSVILLE EAST, AND THE COLUMNS AND THE FENCE ARE BEING INCORPORATED IN THE INDUSTRIAL WHERE YOU HAVE COMING OFF OF ROAD A, WHERE YOU WILL END UP GOING INTO THE INDIVIDUAL INDUSTRIAL PODS. THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE YET, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO INCORPORATE A FINISH KIND OF LIKE THAT, SO THE STREETSCAPE, THE STANDARDS, THE FENCE, THE COLUMNS, THE, THE BIKE TRAILS, THAT IS ALL THE FIRST STEP OF THE HIGHER STANDARDS. THE SECOND STEP OF THE HIGHER STANDARDS IS THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE HOUSES. SO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO WE PUT IN DIVERSITY STANDARDS. I TOLD YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT WORD. SO WE PUT IN DIVERSITY PATTERN STANDARDS UP AT THE TOP. SO IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH A CHART LIKE THIS, ESSENTIALLY THE CIRCLE IS THE PRIMARY HOUSE.

THAT IS THE FIRST HOUSE BEING BUILT. SO WE ARE GOING TO PUT DIVERSITY STANDARDS IN PLACE FOR BOTH ELEVATIONS. YOU CANNOT HAVE THE SAME HOUSE ELEVATION, BESIDE EACH OTHER ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. BUT WE'VE EXPANDED IT BEYOND THAT. SO IF YOU WERE THE PRIMARY, THE ONE WITH THE CIRCLE, YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT SAME ELEVATION WITHIN TWO HOUSES ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET.

YOU CANNOT HAVE IT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET OR ONE OFF ON EITHER OF THOSE. NOW, CORNER LOTS CHANGE THAT, BUT THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE DIVERSITY STANDARD FOR ELEVATIONS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE THAT WE WROTE IN THE CODE. OKAY. WE ALSO ARE GOING TO USE THIS EXACT SAME PATTERN TO PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE MORE COLORS. A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, BUT, ONLY REQUIRE NATURAL COLORS. SO YOU GET VERSIONS OF BROWN VERSIONS OF GRAY AND WHITE, AND IT'S A VERY DRAB LOOKING, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT. BUT AT JEROME VILLAGE, WE USE A LOT OF COLOR, AND IT CAME OUT REALLY, REALLY WELL. IF YOU CAN PROMOTE THAT, HOW YOU PROMOTE THAT. I WROTE THE WORD ENCOURAGE, BUT THIS HELPS PROMOTE IT BECAUSE THIS

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SO THAT'S THE FIRST STANDARDS DIVERSITY OF ELEVATIONS, DIVERSITY OF COLOR. THEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO PUT TREE TREE LINES EVERY FOUR TREES ON ALL THE INTERNAL STREETS. ROUGHLY 35, 40 FOOT ON CENTER, ADJUSTED FOR UTILITIES AND DRIVEWAYS.

OBVIOUSLY SO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONE STREET TREE FOR EVERY HOUSE THAT IS THERE. REPEAT PATTERNS ENCOURAGE COLOR, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO ENCOURAGE, BASED ON STAFF'S COMMENT, ENCOURAGE GARAGE DOOR COLOR TO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A REASON AS TO WHY ALL GARAGE DOORS ARE WHITE, IT'S JUST 16 FOOT BY NINE FOOT OF JUST WHITE. BUT WE WOULD NOT WANT AN ORANGE HOUSE WITH A RED GARAGE DOOR. SO THERE'LL BE SOM, I DON'T KNOW, SOME SOME PROOF MECHANISM IN OUR DESIGN REVIEW, AND THE DESIGN REVIEW FUNCTION, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH ASHLEY ABOUT THAT. WE'RE WELCOME TO PASS THAT OFF. AND TO TRY TO FUND THAT, THAT USE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, THE JEROME VILLAGE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY DOES THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS PROBABLY GOING TO PUT IT. I DON'T WANT THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS RUN BY THE HOME BUILDER, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD, TO OVERSEE THAT PROCESS. SO THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY WILL TAKE ON THE COST OF DOING THAT.

WE WOULD EITHER OUTSOURCE IT TO A COMPANY LIKE BURDEN HAWK OR MXQ OR OR G2 TO REVIEW THOSE PLANS AND SAY, YES, THIS MEETS OR DOESN'T. OR WE COULD DO THAT WITH STAFF. THE PROBLEM IS THE YOU ONLY DO THE REAL DESIGN REVIEW DURING THE INITIAL SALE OF THE HOUSES, AND THEN THAT'S ALL THERE. AND THEN IT USUALLY GOES TO THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. IF YOU'RE DOING MAINTENANCE OR SOMEBODY WANTED TO PAINT IT A DIFFERENT COLOR. SO IT IS A TERMINATING A LOT OF EXPENSE AT THE BEGINNING AND IT DECLINES AS YOU BUILD THE HOUSE. BUT, THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY WILL DO THAT, IF THERE'S NOT OTHER ENTITIES THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. NO ALUMINUM GARAGE DOORS, ALUMINUM GARAGE DOORS, BUT NO SOLIDS. SO THE PANEL AT THE TOP NEEDS TO BE WINDOWS OF SOME SORT. WE WILL CONSIDER VERTICAL WINDOWS, IF IT'S ARCHITECTURALLY CORRECT, TRIM ON ALL WINDOWS THAT'S FRONT, SIDES AND REAR, IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE DETAILS HERE THAT I WILL SHOW YOU IN JUST A MINUTE. THAT MAKE UP DESIGN DIFFERENCES AND HERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THIS, THIS CATCH PHRASE COOKIE CUTTER TYPE OF PATTERN.

HOMES OVERHANGS ON ALL SIDES, AT LEAST A FOOT, I WILL SHOW YOU HOW THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE TO 25% BRICK, STONE OR OTHER SECONDARY MATERIAL SECONDARY. WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS ALL VERTICAL SIDING ON THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU CAN HAVE VERTICAL SIDING ON THE LOWER PART, BUT AT THE TOP I WANT BOARD AND BATTEN, I WANT, SHAKER, CEDAR SHAKERS. I WANT SOME SO SECONDARY MATERIAL IS THE LEAD PIECE, YOU'LL DEFINE A PRIMARY MATERIAL IN THE HOUSE, AND THEN THERE'S GOT TO BE A SECONDARY MATERIAL AND THEN SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. I WROTE THEM IN THERE. AND THEY WERE IN SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEXES, ETC.

THEY WERE IN THE TAX. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. AND I HATE TO PICK ON ANY ONE DEVELOPER. NO, NO, NO, STOP, STOP. I'M JUST USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. I HAVE PRODUCTION HOMES. I HAVE STARTER HOMES THAT I HAVE DONE AND EVERYTHING. BUT AT THE TOP I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE LACK OF DIVERSITY AND COLOR AND ELEVATION. ALL THOSE HOUSES LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME, THE COLORS ARE ALL MUTED AND THAT'S OKAY. THEY EXIST. THE HOUSE ON THE BOTTOM HERE, THERE'S NO OVERHANG AND YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE. LOOK AT THE ARCH AND THE OVERHANGS THAT PEOPLE PUT ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. VERY NICE TRIM FEATURE, ETC. WHEN YOU GET TO THE SIDE, THERE'S NO OVERHANGS WE'RE REQUIRING THEY BUILD OUT. IT'S ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T BUILD BY A TRUST. YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT OUT MANUALLY. BUT WE'RE REQUIRING OVERHANGS. NO WINDOW TRIM ON ANY OF THIS. SO I DIDN'T SPECIFY HOW BIG THE WINDOW TRIM WAS, BUT IT'S USUALLY A FOUR INCH TRIM THAT WILL BE THERE BEFORE THE SHUTTERS GO ON. SOMETIMES SHUTTERS AREN'T APPROPRIATE ON WINDOW TRIM, BUT WE'RE REQUIRING WINDOW TRIM. I DIDN'T PUT NO LANDSCAPE BED. THERE'S NOT A LANDSCAPE BED THERE. AT LEAST I CAN'T SEE. I PUT GREENERY, SO WE REQUIRE X NUMBER OF BUSHES X NUMBER OF MEDIUM AND SMALL. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT NO LANDSCAPE BECAUSE THERE IS A

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THESE ARE EXAMPLES. DON'T GET HUNG UP ON ANY OF THESE. DON'T START I WE WILL GO THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW. I THINK ONE OF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY WILL GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY ON DESIGN REVIEW, AREN'T THEY MOST OF ALL THREE OF YOU. BUT THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF HOUSES THAT WOULD MEET THE COLOR STANDARD. THE REPEAT PATTERNS, THE BRICK, THE MATERIALS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME HERE BECAUSE WE GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE GARAGE DOORS. LOOK AT THE 16 FOOT GARAGE DOOR AND HERE ARE THESE WINDOWS. THEY DON'T ALL HAVE TO BE THIS WINDOWS, THE OTHER PIECE THAT I DID WRITE IN THERE, THAT I DIDN'T PUT ON THE DIVERSITY IS WINDOW GRIDS. SO HOUSES THAT DO NOT HAVE WINDOW GRIDS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY. NOW THIS IS ARCHITECTURALLY CORRECT. I ONLY HAVE THE WINDOW GRIDS ON THE TOP, BUT HOUSES THAT DON'T HAVE WINDOW GRIDS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE DESIGN. AND I MEAN THERE'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE. LITTLE TINY THINGS ON DESIGN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. THE OVERHANG, THE WOOD TRIM, THE WINDOW TRIMS, ETC. BUT YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURALLY CORRECT WINDOW TRIMS. THIS ONE AT THE TOP HAS THE 12 OR THAT ONE HAS THE FOUR. THIS ONE HAS THE 12, BUT THEY WILL CHANGE AS THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES OF THE HOUSE CHANGE, DESIGN CRITERIA FOR OUR EMPTY NESTER. I MENTIONED WE'RE USING WILCOX COMMUNITY THIS IS THE EXISTING PRODUCT THAT WILCOX DID. I THINK IT WAS VERY NICE, THEY ORIENTED SOME OF WHAT USED TO BE THE REAR OF THEIR HOUSES, TO HAVE PORCHES ON THE FRONT, THAT FRONT INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY THAT IS ACTUALLY THE REAR OF THEIR HOUSE. BUT THEY ARCHITECTURALLY DESIGNED IT TO WHERE YOU PUT THE PATIOS OUT THERE. YOU PUT WINDOWS ON THE BACK. AND I THINK THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB. I SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE SITTING ALONG INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY ALL THE TIME.

THEY PUT SOME MOUNDING AND OTHER. THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT ALL UP THE MAIN ENTRANCE ROAD.

A, BUT BECAUSE DIVERSIFICATION IS SUCH AN ISSUE, WE DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE. WILCOX COMMUNITY HAS DESIGNED SOME OTHER, COMMUNITIES WITH THAT, AND THIS ONE, I THINK IS ONE OF THE NEWER ONES. THIS IS A FARMHOUSE VERSION OF THEIR PRODUCT, MOST OF THEM ARE WHITE.

SO BECAUSE THESE ARE ATTACHED, IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THAT DIVERSITY STANDARD, THE SINGLE FAMILIES, AND THAT WOULD GO THROUGH. BUT THIS IS WHITE. THEY ACCEPT IT WITH A VERY NICE WARM WOOD AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, YOU CAN SEE THE COMMUNITY CENTER LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A BARN, AND THOSE ARE, AND THE POINT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF RESIDENTS WILL SAY, WELL, MARYSVILLE IS LOSING THEIR RURAL CHARACTERISTICS. THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO AGAIN, SMALL THINGS ALLOW US TO DO THE SWALES ALONG. THE MAIN ENTRY IS MORE OF A COUNTRY FEEL. FARMHOUSE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR DESIGNS. YOU KNOW, WHITE HOUSES WITH BLACK TRIM AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. BUT WE CAN PUT THIS HERE, AND IT MAINTAINS A LITTLE BIT OF THE RURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT. THE OTHER OPTION IS THE SECOND MOST POPULAR TYPE OF STYLE OF HOUSE. ANYBODY WANT TO GUESS CRAFTSMAN. SO THIS IS ANOTHER VERSION THAT THEY BUILT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE ELABORATE LANDSCAPING ETC. THAT WILCOX COMMUNITY DOES. THIS IS WHY I LIKE THIS DEVELOPER AND THEIR PRODUCT, BUT THEY CHANGE THE GARAGE DOOR, CRAFTSMAN HOMES ARE USUALLY DARKER, DARKER COLORS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. EVEN THOUGH THIS IS BROWN HIGHLIGHTED WITH BLACK, THE GARAGE DOORS ARE DARK BROWN. IT'S A IT'S A CHANGE. ESSENTIALLY, YOU HAVE THE PROJECT THEY ALREADY HAVE AT WOODSIDE, WHICH IS AGAIN, THIS. AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO EITHER OF THESE. AND WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION EITHER WITH STAFF OR WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, BECAUSE WILCOX COMMUNITY IS WILLING TO DO EITHER ONE OF THESE, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE THE FRONTS LOOK LIKE THE BACKS LOOK LIKE THE FRONTS ALONG THE MAIN CORRIDOR AND COMMERCIAL. I DIDN'T CHANGE A THING HERE. SO WE STILL PREFER TO HAVE, STRIP CENTER TYPE OF THINGS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT, ENTRY IN. AND THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES. THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE BACK OR THE PARKING IN THE BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO GO. I WILL WORK WITH STAFF AND SOME OTHERS. THE ONE UP HERE IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL PARKING IN THE FRONT, IT JUST DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT US. 36 AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE RIGHT NOW HAVE THE TRAIL RUNNING DOWN US 36, BUT IT MAY BE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO PUT IT BEHIND ROAD B, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE ENGINEERING AND STAFF AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS AS TO WHETHER YOU REALLY WANT A TRAIL SYSTEM TO GO DOWN 36 THERE. BUT THE GOOD THING IS WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. AND ONCE SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS PAID BACK, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT, BUT ONE, SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE MASSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'VE GOT TO UNDERTAKE IS PAID BACK. THERE WILL BE FUNDS, JUST THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES OF THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY WILL PRODUCE

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ONE, START TO EXTEND THE TRAIL SYSTEM. SOME OF THIS FENCING AND STUFF DOWN INTO THE EXISTING CORE OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU GO DOWN THERE, THEY JUST HAVE A, JUST A WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? LIKE FARM FENCE. IT'S JUST METAL, YOU KNOW, WIRE FENCE, THAT SORT OF STUFF, THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL IN THE ROOM THAT OWNS ALL THE GROUND IN BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND SCOTTS PARK, WE'D LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH HIM AT SOME POINT TO TALK ABOUT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET TO SCOTTS PARK TO CONNECT OUR TRAIL SYSTEM TO SCOTT'S PARK. BUT THAT CAN BE DONE FIVE, TEN, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AS WE GO THROUGH, BUT ANYHOW, THESE ARE THE COMMERCIAL USES. WE DID NOT CHANGE ANY OF THEM, QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM, YOU ACTUALLY STARTED TO ANSWER ONE OF THEM RIGHT NEAR THE END THERE. TYING IT INTO THE REST OF OUR PARK SYSTEM. SO I DO BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF OUR PARK SYSTEM IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF MARYSVILLE. OVER ON THE EAST SIDE, WE HAVE OUR NEW PARK ALONG 31 AND THE PARK BEHIND THE BMX TRAIL. BUT YOU MENTIONED THE SCOTTS PARK TO IT. IS THE IDEA TO CONNECT ALL THE WAY AROUND, OR YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET TO ONE OF THEM? WELL MARYSVILLE RIGHT NOW HAS A $49 MILLION PARK IMPROVEMENT BUDGET. I SAW THE SPREADSHEET. I TRIED TO FIND IT THE OTHER DAY, AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE I SAW IT, BUT I SAW IT, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT APPROVED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY HAVE $49 MILLION. HALF ARE PROBABLY IMPROVEMENTS TO EXISTING PARKS TO WHERE YOU'RE ADDING THINGS. TEN I'M SURE IT'S PICKLEBALL, NOT TENNIS, BUT YOU'RE ADDING THINGS. THE OTHER HALF IS THE CONNECTION OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS TO EACH OTHER, SO IT'S DEFINING TRAILS.

AND THEY JUST DID A BIG PART OF THAT CROSSING THE CREEK TO GET TO THE RESERVOIR WITH THE BRIDGE. AND THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE BRIDGE AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. SO MARYSVILLE IS TRYING TO CREATE A BETTER CONNECTED COMMUNITY WITH THIS $49 MILLION WITH ADDITIONAL PARK ENHANCEMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THA. WHAT I'M TELLING MARYSVILLE IS WE'VE GOT IT ON THE EAST SIDE.

WE WILL START WITH EACH DEVELOPMENT THAT WE GO. WE WILL SAY, HERE'S WHERE THE TRAIL SYSTEM NEEDS TO GO, AND WE'LL START PUTTING THOSE PIECES IN PLACE. BUT THE INTENT IS ABSOLUTELY TO TRY TO CONNECT THIS NOT ONLY TO BUXTON MEADOWS AND SOME OF THE TOWNSHIP AREAS.

SO YEAH, BUXTON, BUXTON MEADOWS. BUT ALSO THROUGH THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WHERE WE'RE KEEPING THE TREES TO THE TRAIL LINE, THE COTTON TRAIL LINE, THAT IS JUST ABSOLUTE BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF GROUND. AND, YOU KNOW, DESPITE THE FLOODING, BECAUSE OF ALL THE LOG JAMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON MILL CREEK, IF YOU WALK THIS PIECE OF MILL CREEK, IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. AND THERE'S A PERSON THAT LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MILL CREEK, AND HE CAN ATTEST TO HOW BEAUTIFUL THAT GROUND IS. NO. AND THEN IT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. AND THERE IS YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF LOG JAM STUFF THAT'S A MAJOR ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND I THINK THE RECLASSIFICATION OF SOME OF THE FLOOD ZONE PROBABLY CAN HAPPEN WHEN THAT DAMMING THAT IS ALONG MASSIVE PARTS OF THE CREEK IS DONE. I THINK THE FLOOD ZONE CAN BE REMAPPED TO A SIGNIFICANT AREA. NOW WE'RE DEDICATING THAT ALL THE PARK GROUND IS GOING TO BE PARK GROUND, BUT IT OPENS IT UP TO HAVE OTHER TYPES OF ACTIVITIES AND STUFF DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. AND THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY THAT I MENTIONED IS JUST THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES OFF OF ANNEXATION ONE AND THREE. THERE ARE MORE COMING. THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WILL BE THERE AS WELL, WHICH IS AT $9.75 MILLION OR 9.75 MILLS FOREVER. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY PUTS IN. I MEAN, WE THINK THE FIRST ROAD THEY BUILD IS A $10 MILLION ROAD, SO THEY NEED TO BE REPAID FOR THOSE THINGS. BUT THERE WILL BE FUTURE FUNDS WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PARK OF THIS MASTER PLAN THAT WILL AFFORD US MORE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT THE INTENT IS 100% TO TRY TO CONNECT THIS TO OTHER AREAS. AND I HATE THE WORD WALKABLE. OUR RETAIL AT THE FRONT WILL BE WALKABLE FOR EVERYBODY IN ANNEXATION THREE, BUT BUXTON MEADOWS IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WALK THE THREE MILES TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY UP TO GET TO THE COFFEE SHOP ON ANNEXATION THREE. SO I DON'T LIKE THE WORD WALKABLE. I LIKE THE WORD CONNECTED. NOW, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN GO TO JEROME VILLAGE AND YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY TO BRIDGE PARK. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU AN HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO HOURS, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THERE AND GET A COFFEE BECAUSE YOU GET TOO TIRED AND YOU CALL YOUR WIFE TO COME PICK YOU UP, BUT BUT THE ANSWER IS YES. AND THE INTENT WOULD BE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THAT. OKAY, TONY WOULD BE VERY PROUD ABOUT THE LOG JAM. YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, AND THEN CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY? I'M PICTURING THIS AS SORT OF A HOA

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BUT DEVELOPERS DON'T DO THAT. THE REASON BEING IS YOU CREATE A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE IF THE NEXT DEVELOPER GRABS THE GROUND BEHIND OR NEXT TO YOU AND DOESN'T IMPLEMENT A COMMUNITY AUTHORITY ON 5.5 MILLS HIGHER, OR ON THE INDUSTRIAL PARK 9.75. SO THERE HAS TO BE SCALES, THERE HAS TO BE MECHANISMS TO PROTECT IT. MARYSVILLE HAS AGREED TO ALLOW US TO ATTACH THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY TO THE REGIONAL PUMP STATION. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE DID AT JEROME VILLAGE. WE BUILT A 10 MILLION, 10 MILLION GALLON PER DAY PUMP STATION IN JEROME VILLAGE THAT PUMPS BACK TO THE MARYSVILLE PLANT. IT WAS ABOUT $22 MILLION IN THE INITIAL COST STRUCTURE. AND ANYBODY THAT USES THAT PUMP STATION IS REQUIRED TO JOIN THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, OR THEY DON'T GET SERVICE. SO MARYSVILLE IS ALLOWING THAT WHICH CREATES AN ENVIRONMENT ON THE EAST SIDE TO REALLY DO SOME DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. NO OFFENSE TO ANY OTHER PART OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A DIFFERENT FINANCIAL CONCEPT AND IT GETS YOU AWAY FROM TIFS A LITTLE BIT, TIFS ARE STILL VERY USEFUL. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S A GREAT MECHANISM BECAUSE IT ANSWERS SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL QUESTIONS ABOUT FUNDING, INFRASTRUCTURE. OKAY, THE RESIDENTS, THE BUSINESSES AND THE COMMERCIAL THAT LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN MARYSVILLE EAST WILL PAY FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF MARYSVILLE EAST WILL WANT, SO THERE WHEN WE STARTED MARYSVILLE EAST, THERE WAS GOING TO BE ONE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY OVER THE INDUSTRIAL, OVER ALL THE COMMERCIAL AND OVER ALL THE RESIDENTIAL, VERY SIMILAR TO JEROME VILLAGE. THEY HAVE JUST ONE. BUT WHEN NEW ALBANY COMPANY CAME ON BOARD, WE WERE STILL ON THAT PLAN. BUT WHEN NEW ALBANY COMPANY TOOK CONTROL OF MARYSVILLE SOUTH, I GAVE THEM PERMISSION TO USE MARYSVILLE EAST IN MY MARKETING NAMING CONVENTION, AND MARYSVILLE SOUT, THAT 650. THEY WANT ONE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY OVER THE SOUTH AND EAST BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO ZONE THAT SIMILAR TO THE EAST. SO IF A USER COMES IN, THEY CAN LOOK AT BOTH SIDES. SO THEY WANT EVERYTHING TO BE THE SAME. SO NEW ALBANY AND I HAVE AGREED THAT THERE WILL BE AN INDUSTRIAL COMMUNITY AUTHORITY THAT INCLUDES THE SOUTH GROUND AND THE EAST GROUND ON THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. AND THEN THERE WILL BE A RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, BUT WE WILL ACT IN SIMILAR. WE'RE HAVING THE SAME PEOPLE WRITE THE DOCUMENTS, NEW ALBANY UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU CANNOT DO RESIDENTIAL MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES ON THE SHEER, SOLE DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL. IT DOES NOT PAY FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. IT WILL NOT PAY FOR UNLOADED ROADS. IT WILL NOT PAY FOR HIGHER COMMON ELEMENT STANDARDS. SO NEW ALBANY UNDERSTANDS THAT SOME OF THE REVENUES COMING OFF OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, AT LEAST ON THE EAST SIDE, WILL NEED TO GO TO THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS OF US 36. THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS OF ROAD A, WHICH IS PLANNED TO GO FROM SCOTTS LAWN THROUGH WATKINS ROAD, THROUGH THE RAIL LINE, THROUGH 36 AND ULTIMATELY NOT ON YOUR GROUND. ULTIMATELY, PIERCE MILL CREEK AND HEAD TO FOUR, WHICH WILL GIVE YOU A BYPASS FROM FOUR AND 36 ON 33 AND HELP TO REDUCE FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRAFFIC ON THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD. SO BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON WITH THOROUGHFARE PLAN WITH KYLE, AND, AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY MOVING PIECES THAT THAT IS STRATEGY. AND KYLE'S GOT ADDITIONAL PIECES OF WHAT WOULD SOME WOULD SAY IS OUT OF BELT TYPE OF A MARYSVILLE THING THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO FUND, BUT HE KNOWS IT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S A THOROUGHFARE PLANS, SO BUT THAT COMMUNITY AUTHORITY IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVELY, POPULAR INTERES, ENTITY AS IT GOES FORWARD, I THINK THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE COULD BE MORE THAN $200 MILLION IN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOME OF THE REVENUES FROM THAT INDUSTRIAL SIDE THAT'S GOING TO GO TOWARDS THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THE RESIDENTIAL SIDES? YEAH IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE, PRIMARY INFRASTRUCTURE. FIRST SECONDARY INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES. SECOND SERVICES BEING POLICE, FIRE, SCHOOLS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THERE WILL BE PAYMENTS COMING, PAYMENTS, IT COULD BE GROUND, IT COULD BE. WE'VE YET TO DEFINE WHAT THAT IS. WE WILL TALK TO POLICE. WE WILL TALK TO FIRE, FIRE ASKED FOR THREE ACRES THE FIRST TIME I SAT DOWN. NOW JAY'S NOT THERE ANYMORE, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BUT RIGHT

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RAVEN HILL, HIGHLAND, CROY, RYAN PARKWAY, ALL ALL OF THOSE ARE COUNTY ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE'RE GOING TO BUILD ALL THE ROADS BECAUSE THERE'S TWO ROAD A'S. WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND ALLENBY AND THOSE SORT OF THING. AND THE UNLOADED ROADS ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO BUT THERE WILL BE SERVICES, YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. AND I WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON NACO BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW I STARTED THAT PROCESS, BUT THEY'RE NOW SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES. BUT WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT 70 FOOT BUILDINGS, WE WORKED WITH RESIDENTS AND REDUCED THAT QUITE A BIT, BUT 70 FOOT BUILDINGS. I ASKED JAY RILEY, DO YOU HAVE A FIRE TRUCK THAT'S CAPABLE OF SERVICING A 70 FOOT BUILDING? AND HE SAID, NO. AND NACO'S RESPONSE IS, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO BUY THEM ONE, SO IT'S A DIFFERENT, PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY UNDERSTANDING THE MONEY WILL COME UP. NOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MONEY STARTS VERY, VERY SLOWLY. IT DOES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE USING SINGLE FAMILY. IF I TAKE 100 ACRES AND I'M GOING TO PUT 300 HOUSES THERE, IT TAKES ME A YEAR TO GET THROUGH ZONING, SOMETIMES TWO IF YOU DO MASTER PLANS, WE DO LONG, LONG PROCESSES, IT WILL TAKE ME PROBABLY NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THE HOME BUILDER CAN ACTUALLY START TO BUILD THE LOT. SO IT IS TWO YEARS OUT FROM DOING SINGLE FAMILY, AND THEN YOU BUILD THE LOT, AND THEN IT'S 6 TO 9 MONTHS TO BUILD THE HOUSE. SO YOU COULD BE LOOKING TWO AND A HALF TO THREE YEARS OUT ON THIS PROCESS. AND NOW YOU HAVE ONE RESIDENT THAT'S PAYING THE COMMUNITY 30 MILLAGE. THEN THE NEXT DAY MAYBE TWO, AND THEN THREE WEEKS LATER MAYBE. IT IS A VERY SLOW PROCESS, MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE WILL TAKE 3 TO 4 YEARS TO FILL OUT, THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO STRESS THIS TONIGHT, BUT I WILL IN THIS CONTEXT. IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE ENTITIES LIKE THE APARTMENTS, THE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS, AND THE WILCOX PROJECT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD HALF OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WHEN THEY CAN, AND THEY'LL DO IT SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE COMING IN. AND HALF OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, 200 PLUS LOTS ON BOTH SIDES. WELL, 114 ON ONE SIDE AND PROBABLY, 160 ON THE OTHER. PHASE ONE OF BOTH PROJECTS WILL ESSENTIALLY SHOW UP A YEAR LATER, AND THEY WILL START PAYING THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY IMMEDIATELY. AND THEN THE SECOND PHASE IS TWO YEARS LATER, A YEAR YEAR GAP WITH YEAR THREE. THE SECOND PHASE IS GO IN BECAUSE THE RETAIL, THE RETAIL WILL PAY THE 9.75. THAT'S THE RETAIL ACROSS THE FRONT. BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE TWO YEARS OR IT'S GOING TO BE TAKE TEN YEARS. I MEAN, RETAIL WANTS A LOT OF ROOFTOPS NOW. THE GOOD THING IS THERE'S PEOPLE THAT RETAIL ALREADY THERE, SOME OF THE RETAIL ON THE 36, 33 SIDE, RIGHT THERE, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY SOME OF IT GETS REDEVELOPED. I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO REDEVELOP SOME OF THAT, BUT, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN RETAIL IS GOING TO START PAYING THAT THE INDUSTRIAL IS GOING TO START PAYING IT. I MEAN, THEY'LL BRING INDUSTRIAL IN FAIRLY QUICKLY, SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS, YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT HOW YOU FUND THE INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE PROJECTS LIKE THIS AREN'T CAPABLE OF DOING IT. I WOULD LOVE NOTHING ELSE IN TO ELIMINATE THE APARTMENTS AND I HAVE I HAVE A SLIDE THAT I WILL WORK TOWARDS CITY COUNCIL WITH, THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH I HAVE FUTURE ANNEXATIONS, THE APARTMENTS ON ANNEXATION THREE ARE THE LAST THREE STORY APARTMENT PROJECT THAT I WILL BRING ON MARYSVILLE EAST. AND THERE'S A LOT BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE MASTER PLANNING SIDE, YOU WANT THE HIGH DENSITY PIECES AROUND THE CORE. AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DOING IS MOVING AWAY FROM THAT CORE.

IT NEEDS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY. SOME DIVERSITY MAY BE ON SOME DUPLEXES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ALL THE WAY AT MILL CREEK AND 36 TO PUT APARTMENT PROJECT THAT THEN HAS TO DRIVE THROUGH ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS YOU WANT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE HIGH DENSITY STUFF AS CLOSE TO THAT INTERSECTION AS POSSIBLE. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. IT'S ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. SO IT'S APPOINTED BY SEVEN MEMBER BOARD. OKAY. THIS IS A STRUCTURE. YOU CAN CHANGE THE STRUCTURE, BUT, WHEN THINGS WORK WELL, I JUST DUPLICATE THEM. SO JEROME VILLAGE IS A SEVEN MEMBER BOARD.

FOUR MEMBERS WILL BE APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNMENT ENTITY. IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THREE OF THOSE

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BELIEVE ME, IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, BUT IT IS NOT A GLORIFIED HOA IN ANY WAY, BECAUSE THE GLORIFIED HOA WOULD NOT BE DETERMINING HOW WIDE 36 NEEDS TO BE WHEN IT CROSSES BILL CREEK FURTHER INTO THE FUTURE. ENGINEERS FINANCIAL PEOPLE, GOVERNMENT. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SKILL SET TO WHAT THIS IS, BUT IT IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL HOA, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CITY CAN'T APPOINT SOMEBODY, BUT YOU LIKE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY UNDERSTAND THOSE PROCESSES. DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT COMMUNITY AUTHORITY? BECAUSE I WANTED TO ASK SOME OTHER STUFF. BUT IF YOU WANT TO. BUT I WANT TO STAY ON THE TOPIC. IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE, CONTINUE ON. FOR THE I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING AHEAD, BUT IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SHOPPING AND THE OR THE RESTAURANTS AND ANY TYPE OF COMMUNITY AREA, SINCE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY TO THAT AREA, POTENTIALLY WALKING, OBVIOUSLY, MAYBE NOT IN THE WINTER MONTHS, AND THEN PEOPLE FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN. WE DO NOT, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ASK. WE DO NOT PARKING. OH, NO. NO, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SNOW PLOW. THE BIKE TRAILS. OH, WELL, THAT TOO, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT. YEAH. NOBODY NOBODY KNOWS. BIKE TRAILS, SO PARKING IS THAT. I MEAN, JUST FROM THE PICTURES, I GUESS. I'M LOOKING.

I'M JUST LOOKING FROM WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TODAY, IS IT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAILHEADS? YEAH. WE WOULD. I THINK WE CAN TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THAT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THAT. I HAVE A FEELING THAT WHEN WE GET THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE NATURALNESS OF JEROME VILLAGE BECAUSE IT JUST HAS BIKE TRAILS. WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY CENTER AND OUR POOL AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, AND THERE WILL BE FACILITIES THAT HAVE THOSE THINGS. BUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A PLACE THAT WE CAN PUT PICKLEBALL IN THE 70 SOME ACRES OF COMMON AREA? DO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, CAN YOU PUT RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES SOMEWHERE ELSE? WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AS WE REALLY START PLANNING, I'M NOT A PARK EXPERT. I BUILT ONE AT JEROME VILLAGE, BUT IT'S TRAILS THROUGH BEAUTIFUL AREAS, IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS. BUT THE TRAILHEADS BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE PART PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THE TRAILS AND THEY'RE OPEN. WE ARE BRINGING THE TRAIL DOWN ALL THE WAY TO CULVER'S. SO WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT SOME OF THAT STUFF DOWN THERE. BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE SHOULD GO PARK AT CULVER'S AND WALK THEIR DOG ON THE TRAIL, BUT SOME OF THEM WILL DO THAT. AND AS LONG AS THERE'S. BUT WE DON'T WANT A HUNDRED PEOPLE PARKING IN THE RETAIL, PARKING TO WHERE IF THERE'S A CRAFT BREWERY OR SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CAN FIND A PARKING SPACE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK, IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY A LOT OF

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BUT, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SOLVE ALL THESE ISSUES ON A MASTER PLAN OF THIS SIZE HERE, BUT I THINK THERE'S THE ABILITY TO DO SOME OF THAT, AND IT'LL HAPPEN NATURALLY BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WILL GO PARK IN THE APARTMENTS AND PICK UP THE TRAILHEAD THERE, AND SOME MAY PARK ON THE STREETS IN BUXTON MEADOWS BECAUSE THEY ALLOW THAT AND PICK UP THE TRAIL HEAD THERE AND STUFF. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 200 PEOPLE ALL COME TO THE CRAFT BREWERY AND TAKE UP ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES. IF WE DO, THEN YOU PUT UP THE SIGNS THAT SAYS NO PARKING, BUT YOU THEN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS OVER ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PARK SYSTEM WHERE THE TRAIL WILL GO UP. I MEAN, THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING OVER THERE. AND NOT THAT I MEAN, CITY CODES ADJUST OVER TIME. AND A LOT OF THOSE WAREHOUSES, IF THEY'RE NOT DISTRIBUTION, THEY ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, 5 OR 6 CARS. SO THERE COULD BE PLENTY OF PARKING THAT THOSE TENANTS AND WE KNOW A NUMBER OF THEM OVER THERE THROUGH THE CHAMBER, WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT A PORTION OF THEIR PARKING AS LONG AS THE CITY WOULD APPROVE IT, TO ALLOW TRAIL ACCESS. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SOLVE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. ALL RIGHT, SO YOUR RESPONSES TO THE STAFF, COMMENTS WE RECEIVED THIS AFTERNOON. OKAY READ THROUGH THEM VERY BRIEFLY, COUPLE JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION, QUICK CLARIFICATIONS. YES, ALL RIGHT, THE APPLICANT SHALL CLARIFY IF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE PERMITTED. PROVIDE STANDARDS FOR THEM, IF DIFFERENT THAN PRIMARY STRUCTURES AS BUILDING HEIGHT IS. THE ANSWER WAS INCLUDED. YEAH. WELL, THAT WAS ON THE STAFF IN THE TEXT. WE WENT BACK AND JUST SAID WE'RE USING YOUR CODE. OKAY. 112703 FOR THIS. I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT CODE. BUT WE'RE USING THE CITY CODE. BUT WE PUT THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND HEIGHT WILL ABIDE BY THE CITY CODE. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID INCLUDED. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND. SO YES, OPEN SPACE I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON, IT IS GOING TO BE 10% FOR RESIDENTIAL. YEAH 5% FOR COMMERCIAL. YES.

OKAY. WELL IT'S 5% ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND 10% ON ALL THE OTHER PODS. IS THE REQUIREMENT. NOW WE'RE ADDING 53 ACRES TO IT. AND THAT'S WHERE I GET TO THE 30%. AND I'VE GOT A LITTLE SPREADSHEET THAT THAT CALCULATES THAT AM I RIGHT OR WRONG. MIXED USE IS 5%. YEAH OKAY. SO WE'RE MEETING ALL THE MINIMUMS. NOW, THE PIECE OF THAT QUESTION THAT WE DID PUSH BACK THAT I DID NOT CHANGE THE TEXT, WAS THAT THE PONDS DIDN'T COUNT. THE PONDS HAVE TO COUNT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS USE THE CORN FIELDS TO PUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN AND PROTECT AS MUCH OF THE GREEN SPACE AND THE TREES, ETC, AS POSSIBLE. SO, WE NEED TO COUNT THE PONDS, BUT WE ARE PROMISING TO PUT TRAILS AROUND IT TO PUT FOUNTAINS IN IT. WE WILL MAKE THEM ACTIVE AREAS, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THEM BUFFERS IN BETWEEN THESE, WHICH IS YOU KNOW, KIND OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS PUT PONDS IN CORNERS OF ANGLES AND PUT CUL DE SACS AND CUT THEM OF. AND NOBODY GETS TO USE THEM. NOBODY GETS TO SEE THEM. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT ONE. IF YOU HAVE TO PUT A TRAIL AROUND IT NOW, YOU'RE PUTTING A TRAIL IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD, WHICH THE RESIDENTS HATE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO STAY TO THE OPEN AREAS WHERE WE CAN PUT A TRAIL THAT DOES NOT DISTURB EITHER OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES ON EITHER SIDE OF THOSE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PIECES THAT IN OUR TEXT, WE DO SAY THAT AS LONG AS WE CREATE ACTIVE AREAS AROUND THESE PONDS, THAT WE CAN COUNT THAT AS THE COMMON AREA. OKAY AND SO I YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SWALES, WHICH, I MEAN, MAYBE THE SWELLS, SWALES. SORRY, WHALES, IT IS PROBABLY MORE OF AN ENGINEERING DISCUSSION. I ALL RIGHT, I MEAN, BECAUSE THE PICTURES THAT YOU HAD UP, MADE IT LOOK LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD PREVENT SIDEWALKS OR BIKE PATHS. NOPE. NOPE. THE BIKE PATHS THERE. SO THE BIKE PATH ON THIS PARTICULAR TRAIL IS OVER HERE BEHIND YOU. IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD. I'VE GOT OTHER PICTURES. NO, NO, THAT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY. THIS OKAY, OKAY. THERE IS A POND RIGHT HERE. AND THIS IS THE UNITED JEROME UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE CONNECTED TO THEM. BUT WE DID NOT RUN A TRAIL DOWN THE SIDE. OKAY, NOW, THIS ONE, YOU CAN SEE THE SIDEWALK COMES OUT

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SO WE HAVE A SINGLE TRAIL SYSTEM. NOW, THIS OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD GOES THROUGH THAT ONE RESIDENT, THE FIRST RESIDENT, JEROME, HIS 30 ACRES ARE THERE. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T TAKE NO FENCE. I DON'T CARE ABOUT JEROME I. NO, NO, NO, BUT BUT THE TRAILS, THE TRAIL SYSTEM WOULD BE INCORPORATED IN THAT. SO MY ONLY QUESTION IS THAT SIDEWALKS AND SHARED USE PATHS WILL BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, ONE OR THE OTHER? YES. OR BOTH ARE REQUIRED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. THE WAY YOUR CODE WRITES IS A MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL OR A OR. YES, YES, YES. SO YEAH, IT WILL HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER ON BOTH SIDES. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE EXHIBIT. WELL THAT'S THAT'S BAD EXHIBIT. BUT HERE'S WELL WE DON'T SHOW THE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THE SIDEWALKS ARE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT IN MY TEXT THIS, YOU EITHER HAVE A MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL OR A SIDEWALK. I WHEN YOU SAID OR I THOUGHT YOU MEANT ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, I GOT IT, I GOT IT. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF CURB AND GUTTER. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE CURB AND UNDERGROUND GUTTERS TO TAKE THE STORMWATER OFF THE PROPERTY, ARE ESSENTIALLY UNDER THE MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL OR UNDER THE ROAD, ONE OR THE OTHER. AND KYLE WON'T ALLOW THEM UNDER THE ROAD. SO IT'S IN THE RIGHT WAY. BUT THIS IS A VIEW AND I LOVE PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY CONNECTING THROUGH REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FROM THE CITY. BUT I DROVE IT TODAY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IS ALL THE TIRE MARKS THAT ARE RUBBING UP AGAINST THE CURBS. THERE AS PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THAT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARKWAY, ETC, BUT IF YOU HAVE LOW PROFILE COLOR, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE RIMS. AND MY WIFE DESTROYS MY RIMS. IT'S JUST A PET PEEVE OF MINE. BUT IF YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE CAN ALSO, AGAIN, THE DITCHES HERE, WE EXPAND THIS OUT. WE PUT THE TRIM INSIDE OR OUTSIDE, WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT. BUT THIS JUST IS A DIFFERENT VIEW. BUT WE WOULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THE SWALE. I JUST LIKE IT BETTER THAN DITCH THE SWALE. AND THEN THE FENCE AND THE MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL. WE ACTUALLY HAVE IT. THE REVERSE HERE. WE HAVE TREES.

WHERE DID THAT GO, YEAH. SO THIS IS THE PARKWAY TREES TRAIL FIX IS THE WAY WE DID THIS, SO AND THIS SHOWS THE CURB GUTTERS. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IF WE CAN DO IT. BUT I WROTE IT IN THERE THAT WE PREFER TO DO THAT. BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION WITH I THINK THE ENGINEER. YEAH. I MEAN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I RELY ON KYLE AND I MEAN, BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OPINIONS ON WE'LL DO EITHER ONE. I JUST THINK IT'S I'LL JUST SAY I JUST DROVE, DOWN JEROME THROUGH JEROME VILLAGE ON MY WAY HERE TODAY. AND IT IS A PLEASING DRIVE WITHOUT THE CURBS. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. I JUST ALWAYS FELT THAT THIS GIVES YOU A FEELING LIKE IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THE COMMON AREA IN THE PARKS, WHERE IF I PUT CONCRETE CURBS AND GUTTERS ON, THERE AND KIND OF SEAL IT UP, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO NOW THERE WILL BE CURBS AND GUTTERS IN ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS. SO YOU HAVE TRANSITION POINTS TO GET OUT. BUT THIS WOULD JUST BE ON THE MAIN ROAD. SO BUT I THINK AS A KEY ISSUE AND WE'LL DO EITHER ONE. IT'S JUST THIS IS OUR PREFERENCE FROM A DESIGN AND A FIELD STANDPOINT. I WOULD AGREE I LIKE THE LOOK OF IT. BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHATEVER KYLE WE GOT BOXES. WHAT WHAT SECTION WAS SHOWN IN YOUR APPLICATION WASN'T SHOWN WITH A CURB. OR DO YOU HAVE NO DESCRIPTION ABOUT. ACTUALLY, I THINK I JUST NOTICED THAT IT'S THIS THE, THE TEXT, THE TEXT ACTUALLY SAID WE PREFER TO DO SWALE. OKAY, BUT THE CURB.

I SAID WE WOULD DO EITHER ONE. I BELIEVE I SAID THAT IN THERE. IF I DID, WE'LL CORRECT THAT. THIS PROFILE ACTUALLY SHOWS CURB AND GUTTER. OKAY. AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT IN THE TEXT, AT LEAST THEN THEN WE CAN SAY, HEY, THE PUD SAYS THAT'S WE COULD DO SWALES HERE. SO, WE CAN RELAY ON THAT.

WE CAN RELY ON THAT. OKAY. AND WE STILL GOT TO GO THROUGH THE DRB PROCESS THAT WE HAVE. YEAH.

BUT WHEN IT GETS TO DRB, WE'LL RELATE BACK TO THE TEXT. AND IF THE TEXT SAYS IT'S ALLOWED THEN YEAH OKAY. NO NO THAT'S THAT'S FINE. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THERE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BUT WE CAN HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND WITH, WITH KYLE AND, AND WE'LL GO WITH WHATEVER KYLE'S RECOMMENDING. OKAY CHAD, ARE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE, BUT YOU DO HAVE A BOULEVARD. WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO CREATE THE SWALE IN THE BOULEVARD? ONLY AT THAT LOCATION. OBVIOUSLY, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TREES IN THE BOULEVARD. AND TO COLLECT YOUR STORMWATER OFF YOUR, ROAD SYSTEM IN, IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE DRAINAGE IN AS A V. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT THE INTENT ON ALL ROADS ARE USUALLY THERE IS, AN I MEAN, IF THEY WERE CROWNED, YOU WOULD HAVE HALF OF IT GOING TOWARDS THE MIDDLE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANTED TO DO IT, BUT I'M JUST

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YOU ASK IF THE DEVELOPER WAS WILLING TO DO THAT, AND I GOT ENOUGH EXPENSES ON MY OWN PROJECT THAT I GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND. AND MONEY IS NOT CHEAP RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LESLIE? ANY OTHER? I'M GOOD NOW. RIGHT WHEN WE'RE DONE. OH, OKAY.

OKAY. OKAY. OKAY I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YEAH, ON THE RETAIL. YES. THERE'S NO CHANCE OF ANY MORE CURB CUTS ON 236, RIGHT? I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, RETAILERS DON'T TRY TO THROW THEIR WEIGHT AROUND. YEAH. WE GOT A GOOD ENGINEER AT THE CITY. YEAH. SO HE THEY WILL NOT GET MY

[01:10:07]

THERE'S SOME OTHER ROADWAY CHANGES THAT KYLE WAS RECOMMENDING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK THEY'RE GOOD AND SOME IS NOT. I AM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF OUR CITY ENGINEER AND JEREMY HOYT AND THAT ENTITY OF HELPING US MAKE THESE DECISIONS. BUT RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO INTENT TO HAVE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUTS OR ANYTHING ELSE, AND DEFINITELY NO FULL ACCESS POINTS. NOW, YOU KNOW, IF RETAIL WOULD GO ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE UNION COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THE UNION COUNTY, TRAINING FACILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT IS. BUT IN OUR LITTLE THING, I'D LOVE TO FIND A WAY TO CONNECT OUR SERVICE ROAD TO TRACTOR SUPPLY IN SOME WAY, BUT THEY OWN THAT WHOLE STRIP, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME, YOU KNOW, AND SIT DOWN WITH US. BUT I THINK ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WE WANT THAT SERVICE, ROAD, SERVICE, ROADS TAKE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC OFF OF THE PIECES. AND ON THE NORTH SIDE YOU GUYS HAVE DON DRIVE EXTENDING UP DOING THAT EXACT SAME THING, TAKING TRAFFIC AWAY FROM, 31. IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THOSE RETAIL SITES. SO THAT IS THE CONCEPT THAT WE'RE STARTING HERE. AND IT'LL BE UP TO THE CITY AND YOUR VISION AND YOUR COMP PLAN, HOW FAR YOU WANT RETAIL TO GO DOWN 36 ON BOTH SIDES. RIGHT NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, A SECTION, BUT THAT'S THAT'S MORE OF YOUR VISION THAN MINE. I'M NOT A BIG RETAIL FAN, BUT YOU GUYS ASKED FOR IT. SO I GUESS ALONG THE SAME LINES, I DON'T I READ THE TEXT, BUT THIS PART DOESN'T. WAS THERE ANY SIGNAGE ABOUT THE RETAIL? YOU'RE. I'M USING YOUR CODE. YEAH. YEAH. FOR LIKE A MONUMENT SIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU PROBABLY WANT THAT A MAJORITY, THE MAJORITY OF THE SIGNAGE PIECES, UNLESS IT'S WRITTEN IN EXCEPTIONS TO YOUR CODE, IS YOUR CODE. FAIR ENOUGH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY NEED. YEAH. SO IT'S, COLEMAN'S CROSSING HAS SURVIVED FOR THE MOST PART. AND IF IT DOESN'T SURVIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU IS ON THE BCA. THEY'LL SEE YOU AT THE BCA. SO THAT WAS IT. GOOD. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

BERT. SO I HAVE A FEW THINGS I WANT TO CLARIFY. JUST, FROM YOUR PRESENTATION, BERT, YOU TALKED ABOUT PARKING ORIENTATION. I THINK YOU MENTIONED IN THE PROPOSED TEXT THAT IT WOULD FOLLOW THE CITY STANDARD, WHICH WOULD BE SIDE OR REAR PARKING. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT OUTSIDE? YEAH. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO MODIFY, WE NEED TO GET THAT. NO OKAY. NO I, I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY AND KNOWLEDGE TO MODIFY A, A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN. SO YOUR CITY CODE HAS WORKED PERFECTLY FINE. WE HAVE SERVICE ROUTE B, SO IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE PARKING TO COME OFF OF SERVICE ROAD B, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE ENTERING. DO YOU REALLY WANT THEM TO COME AROUND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER YOUR CODE IS. AND WHEN WE IDENTIFY WHO THE RETAIL DEVELOPER IS, WHO WE ARE TALKING TO A FEW OF THEM. BUT WHEN WE DEVELOP THAT WE WILL WE WILL HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. BUT, NO, I AM. SO THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD THEN BE PULLED UP CLOSER TO DELAWARE AVENUE. SO. OKAY.

THAT'S GOOD. YOU HAD LISTED, CAN YOU GO BACK TO MAYBE THE SLIDE WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME DIVERSITY AND YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE MATERIALS, AND THEN YOU SAID 25% WOULD BE SECONDARY? YES. YOU SAID OR OTHER SECONDARY. WHAT WHAT ARE YOU CONSIDERING CONSIDERING AS OTHERS? WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THE DRB STAGE, IF THEY PROPOSE A MATERIAL, WE CAN SAY, YEP, THAT WAS LISTED IN YOUR PUD TEXT OR IT WAS IN MATERIALS CAN BE PRIMARY OR SECONDARY IN NATURE. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE GETTING HUNG UP ON IS THE WORD MATERIAL. YOU MEAN TO SAY DESIGN BECAUSE YOU SAID BOARD AND BAT OR CEDAR SHAKE RIGHT OVER, BRICK AND STONE OR A MATERIAL BOARD AND BATTEN OR SHAKE OR A DESIGN. GOOD POINT. YOU WERE. WELL, IT COULD BE WOOD, BUT IF IT WAS SOME WOOD OR YOU WERE CORRECT, I GUESS WOULD BE THAT NEEDS SOME DETAIL. SO IN THERE WE HAVE SIDING AND I CAN CLARIFY AND EXPAND THE DEFINITION OF SIDING IF I NEED TO. YEAH. WHAT I DON'T WANT IS VINYL OR FIBER CEMENT OR HARDWARE. CORRECT, AND THEN DESIGN. YOU NEED TO PUT THE WORD DESIGN, NOT SECONDARY MATERIAL. YEAH. OKAY BECAUSE YOU'RE HITTING THE POINT. SO SIDING CAN BE VINYL HORIZONTAL. RIGHT. IT CAN BE VERTICAL. IT CAN BE BOARD AND BACK. IT CAN BE CEDAR SHAKE. THERE HAS TO BE SOME ELEMENTS OF A DESIGN CHANGE WITHIN THE MATERIAL, EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME. AND ASHLEY AND I HAD A SHORT CONVERSATION OF THIS THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH IT ALL BEING SIDING. THERE JUST HAS TO BE CHANGES AND HEADERS AND BREAK POINTS, YOU

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OKAY. THANK YOU. LAST NIGHT THERE WAS A WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL. AND DURING THAT MEETING, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR COMP PLAN AND THE CITY ZONING CODE. AND, RELATING, I THINK A LITTLE BIT TO GARAGE DOORS, FRONT GARAGE DOOR, AS KIND OF PRIMARY ON THE FRONT SIDE, REAR GARAGE DOORS, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE I KNOW YOUR, YOUR EXAMPLES SHOW SOME SIDE LOADED GARAGES. HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THOSE. WELL, LAYING OUT IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE SMALLER. SO THE NORMAL SIDE LOADS WOULD BE ON THE CORNER.

LOTS SO A SIDE LOAD THE HOUSE COULD FRONT ONE FRONT. NOW IT CAN IT CAN NOT FRONT BUT WE WOULD TRY TO DISCOURAGE BUILDERS FROM DOING A FRONT MOUNTED DRIVEWAY WITH THE DRIVEWAY ON THE CORNER SIDE OF THE LOT. WE WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT AND HOPEFULLY YOU WOULDN'T EITHER.

BUT IF WE'RE DOING DESIGN REVIEW SO IT WOULD BE AN INSIDE DRIVEWAY, THERE. THE I ACTUALLY HAVE A PICTURE OF THIS. THIS IS OH NO GOING THE WRONG WAY, THIS TOP RIGHT. AND THIS ONE. SO THESE WOULD BE CORNER LOT SIDEWALK AND GARAGES THAT ESSENTIALLY DO REALLY WELL. IT FRONTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU GET A STREETSCAPE WHERE ALL THE HOUSES ARE FRONTING. BUT THE GARAGE ACTUALLY ENTERS FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD OR FROM THE CORNER. SO THIS MIGHT COME AT DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. BUT I THINK I THINK CONSIDERING DOING MORE SIDE LOADED MIGHT BE ENCOURAGED BY COUNCIL. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SIDE LOADED AT EVERY CORNER. WELL, I MEAN SORRY, I MEAN MORE THAN THE CORNER LOTS. I GUESS. SO THE ONLY REASON THAT IT GETS DIFFICULT IS A COURTYARD BECOMES 20 FOOT, SO YOU'VE GOT TO ADD 20 FOOT. AND THEN IF YOU STILL HAVE THE FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD. SO AT JEROME VILLAGE WE HAD FIVE YARD FIVE FOOT SIDE YARDS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON A CORNER OR ON A SIDE LOAD OF GARAGE. THAT SETBACK, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 20 FOOT. THEN THE FIVE WE REDUCE IT TO TWO FOOT, AND THEN WE SAY IT HAS TO BE A LANDSCAPED STRIP WITH SCREENING THAT IS THERE, BUT IT'S NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT SCREENING WITHIN A TWO FOOT STRIP WITH YOUR CONCRETE. THERE. IT BURNS UP THE GROUND AND EVERYTHING ELSE, SO IT BECOMES DIFFICULT TO DO THAT. BUT YOU NEED A MINIMUM OF PROBABLY 65 TO 80 FOOT LOT IN ORDER TO DO A FULL SIDE LOAD GARAGE, FRONT ENTRANCE, THAT BECOMES VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. I MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO CONSIDER THAT MOVING FORWARD, AS WE GO FORWARD TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD OR LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE LAYOUTS, JUST BASED ON SOME THINGS WE'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL. I KNOW THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE AS WELL. SO CAN I WRITE IT IN THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL ENCOURAGE SIDE LOADED GARAGES ON CORNER LOTS? I THINK IT WOULD BE CORNER LOTS AT A MINIMUM. YEAH, I THINK SHE WHAT SHE'S GETTING AT IS WE NEED LARGER LOTS FOR THE OPTION OF SIDE LOAD GARAGES. I KNOW AT THIS POINT IN THE PHASE THAT'S NOT A THING. BUT I MEAN YOU HAVE YOUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE. SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO INCREASE GOING FORWARD, RIGHT.

YEAH. I MEAN WE LISTED AS A MINIMUM SO WE COULD DO LARGER IF THAT'S SOMETHING WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT DESIGN REVIEW BOARD THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT LAYOUT AND MAYBE IT WORKS TO DO MORE THAN JUST ON CORNERS. SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY I THINK, GOING FORWARD YOU YOU'D. YEAH I MISSPOKE THERE 65 FOOT. YOU CANNOT DO A SIDE LOAD GARAGE 65 FOOT. YOU CAN DO A THREE CAR GARAGE AND STAY WITHIN THE FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS SO THEY CAN ADD THE ADDITIONAL NINE FOOT TO THERE. YOU YOU NEED PROBABLY A MINIMUM OF AN 80 FOOT LOT IN ORDER TO DO A TRUE FRONT END, SIDE LOADED GARAGE ALL WITHIN THERE WITHOUT A CORNER LOT. OKAY, SO I CAN PUT IN THE TEXT THAT WE WERE ENCOURAGED THE HOME BUILDERS TO DO THAT, I CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH A COUPLE OF THEM TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD DO, AND THEN I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT THE WORD IN THERE. THE DEVELOPER WILL ENCOURAGE SIDE LOADED ENTRIES FOR CORNER LOTS. AND THEN WOULD YOU, WOULD PLANNING COMMISSION BE COMFORTABLE IF THAT SIDE YARD SETBACK WENT DOW? SOME IF THEY'RE TRYING TO THINK THAT THROUGH YOU KNOW FOR THEIR.

SO YOU HAVE YOUR DRIVEWAY AND MAYBE THAT SIDE SETBACK WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE KIND OF THAT LITTLE, LITTLE TURNAROUND AREA COMING OUT OF THE SIDE. WE CAN GET TO THIS CONVERSATION NOT TO CUT IT OFF HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO CUT IT OFF HERE,

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I MEAN, IT'S HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S NOT HERE BECAUSE THE USER WANTS THAT. IT'S HERE BECAUSE OF INFLATION. IT'S HERE BECAUSE OF INTEREST RATES. IT'S HERE FOR A LOT OF REASONS THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE IN OHIO. THAT THAT PRICE POINT IS GETTING INTO LOTS THAT SHOULD NOT BE THAT BIG. SO PEOPLE THAT WANT LOTS THAT BIG ARE DOING FIVE AND SIX BEDROOM HOMES, AND THERE WILL BE THAT DEMAND WITH WHAT I AM A TRUE AND I WAS A SUPPORTER OF WHAT NEW ALBANY HAS DONE IN NEW ALBANY, IN THE BUSINESS PARK, LONG BEFORE THEY SHOWED UP IN MARYSVILLE AND SHOWED UP ON THE MARYSVILLE EAST PROJECT, THEY WILL BRING THOSE USERS, AND WE WILL NEED TO HAVE IS IT 500 ACRES OF THOSE USERS? ABSOLUTELY NOT. SO THIS IS HIGHER DENSITY, SMALLER LOTS. AND AS WE MOVE AWAY FROM THE CORE, THERE WILL BE LARGER LOTS. BUT AS WE MOVE AWAY FROM THE CORE THERE'LL BE SOME SUB AREAS THAT STILL WANT THE LITTLE LOTS. AND YOU FIND A WAY TO INTERMIX THOSE. AND JEROME VILLAGE HAS GOT 40 FOOT LOTS. WE HAVE 50 AND 55 FOOT LOTS AND 65. AND THEN WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ONE ACRE LOTS THAT WE DID, WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING LARGER THAN ONE ACRE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE OVER ONE AND A HALF, THEY COULD HAVE HORSE AND THEN REAR LOADED AS WELL I THINK IS SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED ABOUT. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU WORK THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY OR IT'S THE, THE DUPLEXES KIND OF TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING FORWARD TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PHASE TO MAYBE TRY TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THAT. WE CAN WE CAN TRY TO THE WILCOX COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT POINT, ON THE TOWNHOMES.

WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. WE CANNOT DO REAR LOADED TOWNHOMES. BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS YOU'VE SEEN THE PRODUCT IN PLAIN CITY. YOU CAN CHANGE THE ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE TOWNHOMES THAT FRONT THE MAIN UNLOADED ROAD TO WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE BACKS. AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THAT DESIGN. WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED THAT POD. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IT. YOU KNOW, ZONED IN ENTITLED YET.

BUT WE REALIZE THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE. SO AND OR A REQUEST. SO WILCOX COMMUNITY 100%. THEY'RE GOING TO WORK TO DO THE SAME TYPE OF DESIGN ALL THE WAY UP THERE. THE DUPLEXES MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARDER BECAUSE IT'S ONLY AN 18 ACRE SITE, SO WE MAY HAVE SOME BACKS, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER, IF WE HAVE THE BACK OF THE HOME TO THERE, THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE A HANDFUL OF THEM.

WE'LL TRY TO ADD ARCHITECTURAL, BUT YOU WILL HAVE THE SWALE, YOU WILL HAVE THE FENCE. YOU WILL HAVE IN THAT CASE, IT'S VERY LIKELY TO BE A MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL. AND YOU WILL HAVE THE TREES THERE THAT ARE ON THAT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL SCREENING FOR THAT. SO WE WILL TRY NOT TO BACK A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSES TO THE UNLOADED ROADS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE DONE. AND WITH THAT DRONE VILLAGE PIECE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE I HAVE ANY IMAGE.

NO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WENT, I DON'T HAVE AN IMAGE, BUT I CAN FIND ONE TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT WE DO. OKAY, BUT THE REAR LOADED, REAR LOADED HOUSES, IT'S DOUBLE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S DOUBLE THE ROADWAY. AND USUALLY THE ALLEYS DON'T GET MAINTAINED, BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET SNOWPLOWED BY THE CITY. THE CITY WON'T DO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE A SMALLER SPECIFICATION. BUT I UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN ISSUE AND WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON A GRANDER SCALE OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAN OVERCOME THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME NEAT LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR ORIENTATION, AND ONE OF THEM IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY IS AWARE OF IN PLAIN CITY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY ALL RIGHT. SO, AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS, ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES, AND THIS IS NOT A BACK AND FORTH, BUT IF YOU DO IN YOUR COMMENTS HAVE QUESTIONS, WE WILL, RECORD THEM THE BEST THAT WE CAN. AND AFTER AFTER CITIZEN COMMENTS IS CLOSED. BART WILL COME BACK UP AND WE WILL TRY TO ADDRESS ANYTHING THAT COMES UP. ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK. I'LL JUST CALL OUT TIMMY SPECIFICALL.

I KNOW YOU SAID, BUT I'LL FORGET. I'LL SAY SOMETHING NOW THAT YOU BRING IT UP. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. NO, NO, I KNOW TIM WHITE, 17, 200 WALDO ROAD, MARYSVILLE. NOW, THIS IS ONLY FOR THE EAST PROJECT. ONLY TONIGHT, ANNEX THREE OF THE EAST PROJECT. YES. OKAY. NOW, I WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN. ANNEXATION THREE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THAT'S ALL. BECAUSE YOU IN THE BEGINNING, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE AND TWO. THAT'S CORRECT. THOSE ARE ALREADY APPROVED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOT THAT STRAIGHT. NOW WITH THIS ROUNDABOUT THAT YOU HAD, IS THAT

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I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE. THEN ANOTHER QUESTION. I GOT MOST EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY BEEN UP TO BANK ONE AT SOME POINT PARKED IN THERE. WELL I'VE GOT A FRONTIER, WHICH IS NOT THAT BIG OF A PICKUP TRUCK, BUT TRY TO GET IN THERE WITH THAT THING WITHOUT OPENING YOUR DOOR AND SLAMMING IT UP AGAINST THE NEXT GUY OR THE NEXT THAT GUY SLAMMING IT INTO MY TRUCK, OR VICE VERSA.

NOW TO ME, THOSE LOTS, THOSE PARKING, SLOTS RIGHT THERE ARE WAY TOO SMALL. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD BE FOUR FEET BIGGER, BUT THREE FEET BIGGER WOULD BE NICE. BUT AND JUST FOR CLARITY, WHERE WAS THIS BANK ONE? WHERE IS BANK ONE? JP MORGAN CHASE ON FIFTH STREET.

OKAY NOW IT COULD BE ANY OF THE LOTS, MAYBE RICHWOOD I DON'T I PARK ALONG THE SIDE OR I JUST WALK INTO TOWN AND BUT I WAS THINKING, I DON'T KNOW IS DO YOU HAVE SPECIFICS ON THAT HOW BIG THE CITY DOES HAVE PARKING STANDARDS. OKAY, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS PARTICULAR. I'M NOT EITHER. IT MAY HAVE FALLEN UNDER OLDER STANDARDS. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE DEFINITELY ARE COGNIZANT OF, THE WIDTHS ARE, DEFINED. YEAH. BUT THE ONE AT JP MORGAN CHASE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE WITH. NOW IF YOU HAVE A BIG TRUCK, YOU'RE SCREWED TRYING TO GET IN THERE. YOU YEAH, YOU CAN GET IN THERE. BUT THEN IT'LL TAKE YOU SIX FOUR FORWARD AND BACKWARDS TO GET OUT AND TEAR SOMETHING UP. AND I GUESS THAT'S REALLY ALL I GOT BECAUSE I HAD ALL THOSE. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SAY SOMETHING. CERTAINLY ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK GOOD SPOKESMAN BACK VERY GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, SO WE ALREADY ADDRESSED PARKING STANDARDS ALL IN THE CITY, SO, SO ROUNDABOUTS, SIZING WILL VERY LIKELY BE THE EXACT SAME SIZE AT US 36. SO IT'LL BE A SINGLE LANE, A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT, AT 31. SO KYLE HAS THE SPECIFICATION OF THE ROUNDABOUT THAT THAT HE'S INTERESTED FOR US BUILDING.

OKAY. YEAH, I IMAGINE SO. IT'S LIKE ALL ROUNDABOUTS HAVE THE CURB. SO THE LARGER TRUCKS.

YEAH. THE INTENT IS TO DISCOURAGE SEMI TRUCKS FROM COMING THROUGH THERE. THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE BOX TRUCKS AND VEHICLES WITH TRAILERS, LANDSCAPING, THERE'LL BE PEOPLE THAT HAVE I MEAN A NUMBER OF OUR, OUR COMMUNITIES WILL BE MOWED AND THOSE FOLKS MAY NEED TO TURN AROUND ETC. SO IT WON'T BE ANY HARDER THAN ANY OTHER ROUNDABOUT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DRIVE, 2020 FIVE FOOT TRAILER. SO, BUT YEAH, SO WE'LL DO IT TO KYLE'S SPECIFICATION.

YEP. IT'LL ALL HAVE TO MEET ENGINEERING STANDARDS. THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, SO WITH THAT, I GUESS, THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? SOMETHING COME UP, IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND WITH THAT, WE WOULD ASK THAT THEY CHANGE THE VERBIAGE OF THE SECONDARY MATERIAL TO A SECONDARY DESIGN. AND WAS THERE AND TO ENCOURAGE, SIDE LOAD GARAGES, I, MR. CHAIR, ON THE SECONDARY DESIGN, WE ALSO WANTED THE MATERIALS NOTED, 25% MASONRY, 25 WHAT WE MINIMUM OF 25% STONE MASONRY OR DESIGN. HOW DID YOU SECONDARY DESIGN MATERIAL MATERIAL OR CHANGE IN DESIGN. THERE WERE CHANGING THE WORD MATERIAL OR WHY WOULD THEY.

YEAH, THEY CAN BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL HAVE THE SAME MATERIAL. SO YOU COULD STILL HAVE THE WHOLE FRONT BE BOARD AND BATTEN OR WHATEVER. BUT HE WANTS IT TO CHANGE FROM VERTICAL TO VERTICAL OR HORIZONTAL. CORRECT. BUT HAVE THE SAME MATERIAL. IT'S A CHANGE IN DESIGN, NOT A CHANGE IN MATERIAL. I THOUGHT I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE PUSHING FOR. I AM, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE TWO SEPARATE LINES, NOT ONE. ONE SAME LINE. WE NEED THE STONE AND MASONRY 25% OR 25%. DESIGN CHANGE IS WHAT STONE MASONRY IS. A DESIGN CHANGE IN MY MIND. MAYBE MY DEFINITIONS NOT RIGHT, I THINK. SO YOU WANT STONE MASONRY NO MATTER REQUIRED, CORRECT. THAT'S. I'M THINKING IT WAS REQUIRED THE WAY THAT STEPS WOULD STACK UP, WE JUST HAD WE WERE WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH IT IS ALL HARDY OR YOU KNOW, ALL THAT. BUT YOU'RE DOING ME A DIFFERENT CHANGE IN DESIGN.

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IT'S EVANS FARMS, I BUILT IN THERE TOO. YEAH, YEAH. AT LEAST IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE. THIS TIME.

YEAH. IT'S. YEAH, IT IS. SO WE WANTED YOU GUYS TO SEE WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. RIGHT? THERE'S NOT REALLY STONE NECESSARILY ON THERE. THERE ARE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES THAT STONE AND BRICK DON'T BELONG ON. RIGHT, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE HIGHEST END. CORRECT. YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE FACE OF YOUR HOME OR SOMETHING LIKE. BUT THAT'S THE SINATRA RIGHT THERE. THAT HOUSE IS CALLED THE SINATRA. THAT'S THE BOY HOUSE. THAT'S. I KNEW IT FROM THE PARADE. THAT'S THE BOY HOUSE. YOUR HOUSE IS BESIDE IT. YEAH WHATEVER. I GUESS WHATEVER. SO, SO. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH. I AM 25% DESIGN. YES. NOT REQUIRING STON, BUT STONE COULD BE RIGHT. THE DESIGN CHANGE. OKAY, THAT'S. WE'LL WRITE IT THAT WAY. OKAY, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. SECOND. SECOND FROM PAGE. OKAY CAN I, MIKE, CAN I ASK JUST FOR THE GARAGES? YOU WANT REAR LOADED ALSO, NOT JUST SIDE LOADED ENCOURAGEMENT. YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE REAR LOADED OR. I MEAN, WE CAN ENCOURAGE IT. I'M JUST WE'RE JUST. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE JUST. THIS JUST CAME UP LAST NIGHT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE COMP PLAN FOR THIS AREA. CALLS OUT REAR AND SIDE LOADED GARAGES. SO I DON'T THINK YOU'LL EVER SEE A REAR LOADED DEVELOPMENT COME THROUGH. I WOULD BE SHOCKED AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, WE CAN ENCOURAGE IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO TEETH TO IT, UNFORTUNATELY. I MEAN, THAT'S SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT IN CERTAIN AREAS WHEN WE TAKE THE DESIGN. WILCOX IS THE AREA THAT I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO NOT DO IT ALL, BUT DO THE AREAS WHICH ARE THE HIGH PROFILE COMING OFF THE MAJOR ENTRYWAYS. OKAY, ENCOURAGE SIDE AND REAR. OKAY. ARE YOU STILL OKAY WITH I'M FINE I YOUR MOTION. YEP. OKAY. AND MISS LOBB, YOU'RE STILL FINE WITH YOUR SECOND. YES, I STILL SECOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MISS FERGUSON? YES. MR. WALLACE? YES, MR. EAGLE, YES, MISS LAW? YES. MR. SILICON. AYE. MR. NICKERSON.

YES ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BART. THANK YOU. BART ALL RIGHT. THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA

[3. To hear an application for a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code, Section 1123 - Generally Applicable District.]

GENERALLY APPLICABLE DISTRICT. JEFF AND I WILL, GO THROUGH THIS. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING AMENDMENTS, AMENDMENTS WE'LL WALK THROUGH WITH YOU GUYS. I THINK. IS THIS THE FIRST ONE, THE FARM ANIMALS? I BELIEVE IT IS. YES. SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME OF THE COMMENTS, FROM THE LAST MEETING. DID A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, JEFF HAS OUTLINED SOME OF THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, OUTLINED HERE ON PAGE TWO, SO SOME NONCONFORMITY SECTION, THE NATURE OF AGRICULTURAL AGRICULTURAL PROJECTS IS DEEMED TO BE TEMPORARY. AND THEN THE PROVISIONS OF THIS CODE SHALL NOT APPLY TO EMOTIONAL SUPPORT ANIMALS. SO THOSE KIND OF THREE BULLET POINTS WERE THE MAIN ITEMS THAT WE ADDRESSED, COMING OUT OF OUR, OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR SOMETHING THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISSED? I THINK THIS ADDRESSES IT PRETTY WELL. PERFECT GOOD JOB. THANK JOB.

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[4. To hear an application for a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code, Section 1131 – Historic Design Review District.]

HOW DO WE GO BACK. TRY TO FIND PHOTO. YOU KNOW, HOW FAR BACK ARE WE GOING TO THE ORIGINAL ORIGINAL ORIGINAL, SO ESTHETIC IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. THE HISTORICAL, THE ORIGINAL HISTORICAL OR HISTORIC ESTHETIC. COULD YOU SAY, LIKE DOORS WITH A HISTORICAL CHARACTER? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE INTENT THAT YOU GUYS WERE. I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CLARIFICATION ON WHAT ORIGINAL WE'RE LOOKING FOR. ARE WE LOOKING FOR ORIGINAL? THAT'S AT THE TIME OF THE PERMIT REQUEST. IS THERE A WAY TO WORK IT? HISTORICAL CHARACTER OR HISTORIC? WELL, WE HAD IT BELOW. YOU HAVE IT BELOW WHERE IT SAYS HISTORICAL DESIGN. COULD YOU COULD YOU JUST COULD WE JUST REMOVE D. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD CALL. YEAH. AND LIGHT IT UP FOR INTERPRETATION AT DRB. YEAH AND WE HAVE, I THINK SOME INFO IN OUR HISTORIC UPTOWN HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. I WISH THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORIC ORIENTED ON THOSE, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START LOOKING AT HERE. SOON, RELATED TO KIND OF A PLANNING PROJECT, BUT, LIKE MAYBE AN ENCYCLOPEDIA OR A GLOSSARY THAT. YEAH REFERRED TO BY THE BOARD AND BY. YEAH SO MAYBE REMOVAL OF LETTER D. YEAH. BECAUSE E COVERS I THINK THE INTENT. RIGHT. SO. NOW ARE YOU OKAY WITH WHERE YOU DESIGN OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOW.

WELL DON'T A TAKES CARE OF THE WINDOW DESIGN. WELL, A TAKES CARE OF THE WINDOW MATERIAL.

THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY DIFFERING DESIGNS AND WINDOWS. THAT WOULD BE ALARMING. I MEAN, I GUESS IF IT HAS GRIDS, AND I THINK THAT LANGUAGE IN ANYWAY, LIKE, HISTORICAL DESIGN, PUT IT IN THERE JUST TO RIGHT COVER OUR BASES. YEAH. OR E EXCUSE ME NOT D IT SHOULDN'T BE D GOOD POINT.

THINKING AHEAD. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THEN TO REMOVE THE NO. WELL, LET'S START WITH B. THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS SHALL MATCH THE EXISTING WIDTH, DEPTH AND DESIGN AND BE DESIGNED TO MEET HISTORICAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'D BE SCRATCHING THE DESIGN OF THE

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LETTER E IS. DID YOU SAY LIKE HISTORICAL DESIGN OF THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OR DESIGN OF THE. YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S A LITTLE CONSISTENT WITH DESIGN OF HISTORICAL DESIGN. RIGHT. YOU CAN THROW ANY ADJECTIVE IN THERE. YOU. YEAH YEAH. I MEAN, IS THERE HISTORICAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE WE'RE SAYING TO MEET IT, BUT DO THEY EXIST. YEAH. DO THEY EXIST.

YEAH. WELL AND EACH BUILDING IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. SO HISTORICAL CHARACTER. YEAH.

YEAH. WOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR EACH BUILDING. YEAH I MEAN FOR, FOR THOSE ON DRB IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE FEEL YOU KNOW. YEAH SO DO YOU WANT TO DO, MAYBE LIKE, APPROVAL WITH A CONDITION THAT WE EVALUATE BE REMOVED D AND EVALUATE E TO INCLUDE A TERMINOLOGY OF HISTORICAL CHARACTER. AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF WORDSMITH THAT. YEAH. AND WE CAN EVEN SHOOT THAT OFF TO YOU GUYS BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL WITH IT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. YEAH.

THIS IS OUR DESIGN GUIDELINE DOCUMENT THAT IS ON OUR WEBSITE, AND THAT WE REFER TO WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE HISTORICAL STUFF. SO THERE'S SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THEY SHOULD RETAIN, THE IMPORTANT FEATURES FOR WINDOWS AND DOORS. SO WE DO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. SO HAS THIS BUILDING BEEN UPDATED SINCE THIS PHOTOGRAPH? YEAH YEAH. MAYBE WE PUT THE NEW UPDATED. YEAH. THERE'S A LOT ON THIS DOCUMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. THE BUILDING HAS THAT THAT WAS WHERE THE TEA SHOP WAS. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM COFFEE HALL OKAY. OH NO. NEXT BLOCK BLOCK. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. OKAY. SO. YEAH I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. SO AS WE TABLE IT FOR NOW THEN, OR CAN WE APPROVE. YEAH, I THINK IT APPROVAL CONDITIONS AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL MODIFY SOME OF THAT TEXT BEFORE WE PROCEED ON TO COUNCIL. BUT LIKE I SAID WE CAN SEND IT OFF TO YOU GUYS JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE BEFORE WE GET THAT ON COUNCIL AGENDA. ALL RIGHT, ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY SO, WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE, MOTION TO APPROVE, PENDING CHANGES WE DISCUSSED.

YEAH. WITH THE. YEAH. SECOND, PLEASE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SIR CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? MR. ENGEL? YES. MR. FISHER. OH, SORRY, MISS LAW. YES, MR. STOYAN. YES, MR. NICKERSON. YES, MISS VERBOSE. YES MR. WOLNIEWICZ. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO, ITEM FIVE AND SIX ARE BOTH TABLED? YES WE'VE, JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, THAT'S THE BUILDING. OH, IT LOOKS GOOD. YEAH LOOKS REAL GOO. YEAH. SO WE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE WANTED TO GET FROM, THE COMPANY THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH FROM STERILE WASTE. BIOHAZARD. YEAH, SO WE ARE GOING TO WAIT. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL PROBABLY COME BACK NEXT MONTH. I THINK WE PROBABLY BE READY FOR THAT. SO. OKAY THE LAST ONE WAS THIS APPENDIX. AND THOSE TOGETHER THERE GO TO IT. YEP. AND WE MAY END UP JUST COMBINING THOSE INTO ONE, APPROVAL ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS? OKAY.

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LAW DIRECTOR WAS SAYING MAYBE WE TRY TO COME BACK TO, PLANNING COMMISSION HERE IN OCTOBER. SO LET ME GET WITH HIM TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP THAT SUBCOMMITTEE BEFORE WE COME BACK OR HOW THAT'S KIND OF GOING TO PROCEED THROUGH. SO ALL RIGHT. SO NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL MOVE ON

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YEAH. SO I THINK IN THE FUTURE WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THEM GO TO THE COUNTY FIRST. RIGHT. LET THE COUNTY KNOW, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THEY CAN WORK OUT THEIR FLOOR PLAN WHERE THOSE WINDOWS ARE GOING TO BE. AND THEN THEY CAN SHOW THAT TO US ON THE EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS MOVING FORWARD, ALSO, WE NEED TO ASK THEM WHAT'S CHANGING? WHAT'S NOT CHANGING? WHAT'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE WERE ASKING THEM. AND HE WAS NOT CLEAR ON IT. YEAH HOW WOULD DEMOLISHING A GAS STATION AT THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET SIX, I THINK SO, YEAH. AND LANDSCAPING PLANS WERE APPROVED FOR THREE DIFFERENT SPOTS WITH MR. LYNCH'S TUTELAGE. ALL RIGHT.

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