[CALL MEETING TO ORDER] [00:00:03] GOOD TO GO. GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE TO CALL OR IT IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 1ST AT 6:30 P.M. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MONTH'S MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? HERE HERE. MR. GIBSON HERE, HERE, HERE. MR. PRESENT ALL RIGHT, FIRST ON THE [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST MEETING, AS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES. AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR CHANGES TO BE MADE? SEEING NONE. A MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSE THE SAME. ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS THE [SWEARING OF CITIZENS & APPLICANTS] SWEARING. SWEARING OF CITIZENS AND APPLICANTS. SO IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TALK AT ANY POINT DURING THIS EVENING, WE ASK THAT YOU STAND UP. AT THIS POINT, I WILL READ OFF AN OATH AND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. SORRY, I WILL READ AN OATH AND, SIGNAL BY SAYING I WILL GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE. ALL RIGHT. 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To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Sketch Plan application for a development known as Boerger Road Development located at Parcels with ID numbers of 2900300410000 and 4400010030000.] UNITLITION FCA A PLAOREDNN DEVELMENT UOPSKETCHD LAN P APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS BERGER ROAD DEVELOPMENT, LOCATED AT PARCELS WITH ID NUMBERS OF. 2900300410000. AND 4400010030000. IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE? TO PRESENT, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE MIC AGAIN. NAME, ADDRESS AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS TO TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT, GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION, MY NAME IS GARY SMITH. I'M THE OWNER OF G2 PLANNING AND DESIGN, 720 EAST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO, 43215, THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. SO THIS PROPERTY IS ON BERGER ROAD. IT'S OWNED BY THE EVERGREEN LAND COMPANY. THEY'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR ABOUT THE PAST 15 YEARS. AND WE ACTUALLY STARTED LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY BACK DURING COVID, BACK WHEN MEETINGS WERE STILL HELD ONLINE. I THINK WE WENT THROUGH A SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION PROCESS AT THAT TIME. AND, THE PROJECT KIND OF FIZZLED FOR A LITTLE WHILE, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF COVID AND KIND OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE IN THE MARKETPLACE, BUT WE'RE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY FOR, FOR WITH A SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS A LITTLE OVER 100 ACRES, IT'S ABOUT 101 AND SOME CHANGE, AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ULTIMATELY IS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, OF APPROXIMATELY, NOT APPROXIMATELY OF 195 LOTS, WHICH IS A LITTLE UNDER TWO UNITS AN ACRE TOTAL. AND APPROXIMATELY 30% OPEN SPAC. THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF IS GOING TO BE A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT SIZES, THE APPLICANT IS REALLY FOCUSED ON CREATING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THE MARKETPLACE, RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF FOLKS ARE KIND OF FOCUSING ON THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT 50, 55, 60 FOOT LOT, THE APPLICANT IS REALLY LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S, A LITTLE BIT MORE UPSCALE IN TERMS OF KIND OF THE LOT SIZES AND THE ARCHITECTURE. SO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE STARTS AT 70FT AND THEN GOES UP FROM THERE. FROM 70 TO 80 TO 90 TO 100 FOOT LOTS. FOR IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE I GUESS MAYBE THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLANS, PROBABLY THE BEST ONE KIND OF GIVES YOU A BETTER INDICATION. ULTIMATELY, THERE IS AN EXISTING POND ON THE SITE THAT POND IS GOING TO BE, KIND OF IMPROVED AND AUGMENTED TO HANDLE THE DETENTION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND TO SERVE, KIND OF AS AN OVERALL AMENITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO PUT PATHS ALL THE WAY AROUND SEATING AREAS. THERE'S ALSO TWO EXISTING WOODLANDS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, WE'VE MADE EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THOSE IN TOTAL, AND ALSO TO CONNECT THOSE TO WITH THE PATH SYSTEM TO THE POND, AND SOME INTERNAL PATH SYSTEM OR INTERNAL PATHS INSIDE THE WOODLAND AREAS AS AN AMENITY FOR [00:15:01] EVERYBODY IN THE DEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOU MIGHT FIND IN A, IN A TYPICAL, SUBURBAN COMMUNITY. ALONG BERGER ROAD. OUR INTENT IS TO CREATE AN ALLEY BETWEEN THOSE FIRST TWO ROW OF LOTS. SO WE'LL HAVE NO DRIVEWAYS ON BERGER ROAD. ALL OF THOSE LOTS WILL BE ACCESSED FROM THE REAR, SO THEY'LL HAVE REAR LOADED GARAGES. SO WE WON'T HAVE ANY DRIVEWAYS KIND OF PENETRATING BERGER ROAD. SO OUR ONLY TWO ACCESSES TO BERGER ROAD ARE GOING TO BE THERE AT THE CORNER, AND THEN THERE ON THE WESTERN SIDE, I APOLOGIZE, YOU MAY HAVE SAID IT, OH NO. OR IS A TEN THROUGH 19 ALSO REAR LOADED OR OR JUST TWO THROUGH NINE. YEAH TEN THROUGH 19. SO TWO TWO THROUGH 19. THAT WHOLE BLOCK WILL ULTIMATELY BE REAR LOADED, AND THEN. SO AND THEN ESSENTIALLY AGAIN WE HAVE SO WE HAVE THE PONDS, THE PATH SYSTEM. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, I THINK APPROXIMATELY 30% OPEN SPACE. WE HAVE KIND OF RECEIVED STAFF'S COMMENTS. WE PROVIDED SOME RESPONSES TO THOSE, WE'RE IN GENERAL AGREEMENT WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT THAT STAFF HAS SAID. THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME DETAILS THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF WORK OUT AS WE PROGRESS FORWARD, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY CONTINUE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE DID INCLUDE SOME EXAMPLES OF KIND OF THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT WE ENVISIONED. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON ARCHITECTURALLY IS KIND OF CREATING A MORE CRAFTSMAN STYLE FEEL. NICE MATERIALS, KIND OF DE-EMPHASIZING THE GARAGE. SO PULLING THE GARAGE KIND OF BACK AWAY FROM THE STREET, REALLY MORE EMPHASIZING KIND OF THE FRONT PORCH, FOR HOUSES THAT ARE AROUND THE POND. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO KIND OF ELEVATE THE REAR ELEVATIONS OF THOSE HOMES SO THAT WE CREATE SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST IN THE BACK OF THOSE HOMES AS WELL, WITH PERGOLAS OR, OR OTHER THINGS THAT, KIND OF ENHANCE THE, THE REAR OF THOSE HOMES SO THAT AS YOU'RE EXPERIENCING THE POND, AS YOU'RE WALKING AROUND THE PATH, YOU ALSO GET THE BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL ON THE REAR, ON THE REAR OF THOSE HOME. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE DETAILS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CERTAINLY HERE TO TAKE FEEDBACK FROM YOU, THIS EVENING, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THOSE DETAILS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE US FORWARD HERE THIS EVENING, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HERE TO SPEAK AS WELL. SO HOWEVER YOU WANT TO, WHATEVER ORDER YOU WANT TO DO THAT. OKAY. WELL, USUALLY WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO CITIZENS, AND WHILE THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS, IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH. WE'LL COLLECT ALL THEIR QUESTIONS ONCE CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE CLOSED, WE'LL BRING YOU BACK UP. TRY TO GO THROUGH. I DO HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM EVERGREEN LAND COMPANY HERE AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY, NOW THE YOUR RESPONSES TO THEIR COMMENTS WAS SENT TO US YESTERDAY. I BELIEVE PERSONALLY, I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH IT. I FLIPPED THROUGH IT. SO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, COMPLY. AGREE, WERE THERE ANY THAT, MAYBE YOU YOU FELT THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS FURTHER? YES. NO NOT I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY DISCUSS FURTHER. I THINK THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT WE JUST NEED TO INVESTIGATE, SEE HOW ULTIMATELY THEY IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SKETCH PLAN. IT'S A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THERE WASN'T ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WE OUTRIGHT OBJECTED TO. I THINK IT ALL JUST COMES DOWN TO DETAIL. HOW DO WE INTEGRATE IT? YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS? AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO EXPLORE A LITTLE FURTHER. YEAH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO INTEGRATE THOSE THINGS AS BEST WE CAN. YEAH THIS QUESTION, PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT. IT'S NOT A CRITICISM, BUT, LIKE LOOKING AT THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS COULD FIT INTO A STANDARD ZONING. WHY ARE YOU GOING THE PUD ROUTE? WELL, WE'VE ACTUALLY KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THAT. A NUMBER OF TIMES. I THINK IT WOULD FIT IN TO THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, I THINK SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN AT RECENT MEETINGS IS THAT A PUD MAY BE MORE PREFERRED BECAUSE THE CITY GETS TO KIND OF WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON SOME OF THE DETAILS. SO I THINK THE VARIOUS PERSON TO PERSON, YOU KNOW. YEAH. AND AGAIN, I SEE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES. SO THAT IN A BAD WAY BY OUR INTENT ULTIMATELY WAS TO JUST TRY AND PULL THIS TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT EVERYBODY WAS MOST COMFORTABLE WITH. WE DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE. I DON'T THINK. I THINK WE COULD ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING THAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH WITHIN THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SO AND YOU'RE EXCEEDING FOR SURE LOT SIZES. YEAH. AND SO, I MEAN, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, HOWEVER, THE CITY IS MOST COMFORTABLE WITH US PROCEEDING. WE'RE HAPPY EITHER IS FINE. I JUST WHEN I FIRST SAW, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T [00:20:06] SEE ANY REASON NOT TO DO SRT, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF WONDERING THE, THINKING BEHIND IT. SO YEAH, ALL RIGHT, OPEN UP TO THE BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COME UP IN REVIEWING THIS? SURE, BETWEEN LOTS 34 AND 35 AND 46 AND 47, YOU HAVE EXTENSIONS GOING OUT TO, SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, RIGHT? IS THAT A REQUEST FROM THE CITY TO PUT THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS IN FOR FUTURE USE OR. YES. YEAH, I THINK FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THE, THE IDEA IS, IS CONNECTIVITY. SURE. AND I MEAN, THIS IS AS MUCH FOR FIRE ACCESS AND AS IT IS FOR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS AS WELL. AND IN BETWEEN THE GOLF COURSE AND 84 TO 74, ARE YOU FENCING THAT IN? DO YOU PLAN ON FENCING THAT IN OR ARE YOU LEAVING THAT OPEN? WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT ANY FENCING AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF KIND OF BACK UP AGAINST THE GOLF COURSE. HAVE YOU SPOKE WITH THE GOLF COURSE AT ALL OR THERE WERE SOME EARLIER CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GOLF COURSE ABOUT POTENTIALLY, AND I THINK THIS WAS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, MAYBE GETTING SOME ACCESS TO THE PATH SYSTEM, THAT'S KIND OF THE EXTENT OF THE CONVERSATION. I DON'T THINK THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS REALLY WEIGHED IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ON THE PREFERENCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK ULTIMATELY, ACCESS BETWEEN THE GOLF COURSE AND THE DEVELOPMENT MAY PROVE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE GOLF COURSE BECAUSE OF LIABILITY REASONS. BUT WE'LL GET A FINAL ANSWER ON THAT AS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT PLANS, I HAD A QUESTION FOR EACH LOT. WILL THERE BE A BUILDER THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO WORK WITH TO BUILD THE HOUSES, OR WILL IT BE KIND OF EACH LOT IS AT THEIR DISCRETION. IT'S A IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, ANDY, OR YOU HAVE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. AND YOUR ADDRESS. YEAH. MY NAME IS ANDREW SHEPHERD, 526 EAST BEAUMONT ROAD, COLUMBUS, OHIO, SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OUR SIMILAR MONITOR, THAT MODEL THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY USES AND OUR DEVELOPMENTS. WE HAVE A LIST OF APPROVED BUILDERS. YOU ARE REQUIRED TO USE ONE OF THOSE, USUALLY THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH FOR A LONG TIME. WE TRUST THEIR QUALITY. WE TRUST THEIR INTEGRITY. GOT IT. SO WE'LL BE ONE BUILDING, ONE COMPANY'S FLOOR PLAN, SET OF FLOOR PLANS, CHOICES OF FLOOR PLANS. YEAH, YOU BASICALLY, YOU'LL COME UP WITH YOUR OWN. THE BUILDERS HAVE SOME OF THEIR OWN IDIOSYNCRASIES FOR HOW THEY DO THAT. PROBABLY RULES. YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR NEIGHBOR CAN'T HAVE THE SAME HOUSE AS YOU? YEAH, OKAY. WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE DIVERSITY REQUIREMENTS AS WE START TO PULL TOGETHER THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. DO YOU PLAN ON PHASE BUILDING THAT. I'M SORRY. NO. YOU'RE GOOD, I'M GOOD. YEAH. DO YOU PLAN ON PHASE BUILDING THEN, OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO HAVE A FREE FOR ALL ONE THROUGH? WHATEVER. WHOEVER PICKS THE LOT CAN GO. I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE DONE IN PHASES, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THAT BREAKDOWN IS, BUT, I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU INTEND TO HAVE THE DIFFERENT BUILDERS SECTIONED IN DIFFERENT AREAS. RIGHT. SO, YEAH, THIS WILL BE A PHASE DEVELOPMENT. BUILDERS, BUYERS WILL BE ABLE TO, TO KIND OF PICK AMONGST THOSE APPROVED BUILDERS AND DEVELOP ON WHATEVER LOT IS OPEN IN THAT PHASE. SO PROBABLY 5 TO 7 YEAR BUILD OUT MAYBE OVER TIME. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION, THERE WAS A COMMENT REGARDING, THE SANITARY AND THIS COULD POTENTIALLY NEED A LIFT STATION TO SUPPORT IT. WHO WOULD BE FINANCING THAT LIFT STATION LIFT? YEAH, I THINK ULTIMATELY THE REQUIREMENT WAS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE A STUDY FOR THAT, OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S A LIFT STATION REQUIRED, I THINK THE CITY'S EXPECTATION IS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO FUND THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET TO IT. IF THERE IS A LIFT STATION REQUIRED, WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND ALONG THE LINES OF STUDY. SORRY, FROM, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, OF COURSE. YEAH. TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WILL BE REQUIRED AS WELL. SO WE'LL HAVE TO, TO STUDY, ANY IMPACTS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS ON BERGER ROAD AND WHAT MITIGATION EFFORTS WOULD BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THAT. YEAH MR. CHAIR YES. LIFT STATION IF WE ARE TO IF YOU ARE REQUIRED FOR A LIFT STATION, I SEE NO SPOT READILY AVAILABLE FOR LIFT STATION THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT SOMEONE'S LOT. WHERE WOULD YOU PLAN ON PUTTING ONE IF YOU NEEDED TO PUT ONE? I THINK PROBABLY A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE ENGINEERING WHERE THE SANITARY IS COMING FROM, WHERE IT'S GOING, IF THERE IS A LIFT STATION ULTIMATELY REQUIRED, WE'LL FIND A LOCATION FOR IT THAT IS COMING OFF OF. YEAH, PROBABLY. YEAH JUSTIN WOLLENBERG TERRAIN EVOLUTION, [00:25:01] 720 EAST BROAD STREET, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT, WE'VE DONE A STUDY, OBVIOUSLY HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY YET, BUT WE CAN SERVE THIS SITE OFF THE EXISTING MAIN THAT'S ALONG BERGER ROAD. WITHOUT A LIFT STATION. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SOME FILLS IN THREE, THREE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO ELEVATE BETWEEN 5 AND 6FT. BUT ONCE WE DO THAT, WE WON'T NEED A LIFT STATION IN THIS SITE. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? YOU WOULD THINK I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT ANSWER BECAUSE JUSTIN'S MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. HOT OFF THE PRESS, I STILL SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS YOU DID AS TO WHY THIS IS AN SR. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A CONCER, JUST A QUESTION. I JUST. AND I KNOW IT OPENS IT UP TO OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY ONCE WE GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE THAT, FOR THE MOST PART, IT FOLLOWS WHAT OUR SRT, YOU KNOW, AND DOESN'T GO BELOW OUR REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. NO, I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO STAY ABOVE THE REQUIREMENTS. I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, I THINK IS PROBABLY MORE RESTRICTIVE, I GUESS SO IF THERE'S A THERE'S A CONCERN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO EVADE THE SRT, WE'RE HAPPY TO USE THE SRT. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING THAT, THAT THE SRT WOULDN'T ALLOW US TO DO, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE SRT IS PROBABLY MORE PERMISSIVE IN A LOT OF OTHER AREAS, I THINK. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS A KIND OF PRETTY STRICT SET OF RULES, ULTIMATELY THAT WILL GOVERN THIS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY FALL WELL WITHIN THE SRT. SO LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE EITHER WAY, IF THERE IS DEFINITELY CONCERN AMONGST THE, AMONGST THE COMMISSION OR THE COUNCIL, WE'RE HAPPY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD IN ANY WAY THAT THE CITY IS COMFORTABLE. I MEAN, AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR MYSELF, I DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE. I MEAN, I THINK WITH THE PUD, YEAH. LIKE, YOU'RE WRITING YOUR OWN RULES. IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THOSE RULES ARE SURE ARE. WELL WRITTEN ONCE WE GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. YEAH AND WHAT I SEE RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING IS ABOVE AND BEYOND SRT, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS AT THIS POINT. YEAH, BUT WE'LL SEE THAT TEXT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT SUBMISSION AND GO FROM THERE FOR SURE. BUT AGAIN, NOT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. I MEAN, SURE. JUST TO CLARIFY MY OWN SORRY. APPRECIATE IT. SURE. WE TEND TO GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES WITH SKETCH PLANS. THE NEXT PHASE WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF IT. THAT'S WHERE WE ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE GOOD FEEDBACK. YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS ALL THIS IS ALL GOOD FEEDBACK FOR US. I MEAN, QUITE HONESTLY, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUT THIS TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, GETS THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AND THAT EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. IT'S GOING TO COME OUT TO BE, YOU KNOW WHAT WE AND THE CITY KIND OF ENVISION IT TO BE, HOWEVER THAT PROCEEDS FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S I GUESS FROM MY STANDPOINT, THERE'S NO ATTEMPT FROM THIS DEVELOPER TO TRY AND GET AROUND ANYTHING OR SKIRT THE RULES WITH EITHER EITHER DIRECTION IS FINE WITH US. AND BY NO MEANS WAS I TRYING TO IMPLY THAT. YEAH, AND QUITE HONESTLY, IF WE DID GO SRT, ULTIMATELY THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE CREATING THEIR OWN HOA AND DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD PROBABLY GOVERN THE DEVELOPMENT. FURTHER, TO REGULATE THE ARCHITECTURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WE PUT IT IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT OR WE, YOU KNOW, PUT IT IN A DEED RESTRICTIONS OR BOTH. OKAY. THANK YOU, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALL RIGHT. SO, YOU CAN, HAVE A SEAT AGAIN. WE WILL OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. SO ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC, YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SET UP AS A BACK AND FORTH, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT COME UP FOR THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER, WE WILL WRITE THOSE DOWN. THE BEST WE CAN AND GET THE ASK THEM AND GET THEM ANSWERED. SIR, YOU CAN COME TO EITHER MICROPHONE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND AGAIN YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES, MY NAME IS PAUL SLAUGHTER, WE ACTUALLY AT 13683 STATE ROUTE 38. WE OWN THE GOLF COURSE. MY WIFE AND I DO. OKAY, SO WE DO HAVE A FEW CONCERNS IN REFERENCE TO THE DRAINAGE ACTUALLY, THROUGH THIS AREA. RIGHT HERE, TIMBER TRAILS, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ALREADY CAUSES US ENOUGH ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE. ALONG WITH THE OTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO WITH THIS BEING BUILT, THE NATURAL DRAINAGE, IF YOU LOOK, GOES FROM 15 POND TO 17 POND THAT SLIPS RIGHT BACK BEHIND THERE. AND THEN GOES THROUGH HERE AND SLIDES OVER TO HERE. SO FOR US, YOU'RE ABOUT 65 ACRES OF LAND THAT ALL WOULD DRAIN THAT DIRECTION. SO HEAVY RAINSTORMS WERE ALREADY AT PEAK. WE YOU KNOW, THESE GO OFF THE GREENS [00:30:04] ARE ALREADY TURNING INTO ISLAND GREENS WITH HEAVY RAINS. SO MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS ONLY IS THIS PATH RIGHT HERE IS IF THIS IS GOING TO BECOME I MEAN IF THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE IT ALL THEN IT'S ALL JUST GOING TO TURN IT INTO A SLOP AND WE'LL BE A SWAMP ESSENTIALLY, FOR HOW THAT'S GOING TO END UP. THERE'S I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE IDEAS THAT I'VE HAD IN REFERENCE TO HOW TO BE ABLE TO FIX THE ISSUE WITH THAT, TO BE ABLE TO OFFSET THAT AMOUNT OF WATER. BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY IMPACT THE BACKS OF THESE RESIDENTS IN REFERENCE TO THAT. YOU GUYS SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A FENCE. I MEAN, SIX ONE HALF DOZEN, THE OTHER US, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I MEAN, IT'S HARD ENOUGH FOR US TO KEEP EVERYBODY ELSE OFF THE CART. YOU KNOW, THE GOLF COURSE AS IT IS. SO IF WE PUT A FENCE UP AND THEY JUMP IT, THEY'LL PROBABLY SUE US BECAUSE THEY FELL OR SOMETHING. SO THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL TO US. WE ALREADY DEAL WITH IT ON A DAY IN, DAY OUT BASIS. BUT LIKE I SAID, FOR US, WE REALLY DON'T CARE. YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T WANT THE WATER. SURE. THAT'S OUR THING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND, SOMETIMES I'LL ADDRESS THINGS IMMEDIATELY, SOMETIMES I WON'T. I MEAN, I KNOW ENGINEERING WILL. I MEAN, IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT ANY WATER THAT IS ON THAT PROPERTY, BE DEALT WITH ON THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THERE WON'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL WATER ONTO YOURS, IF WATER IS GOING FROM YOURS TO THERE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A GRAY AREA, YOU KNOW, BUT, ENGINEERING WILL WORK WITH THE DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT IS MITIGATED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF SO, LIKE, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT WALKER MEADOWS LIKE THAT, NOBODY HAS ANY IDEA WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE WATER. AND I MEAN, DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING 30FT OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE, THEN, YEAH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE WATER ISSUES. BUT IF YOU'RE WORKING TWO, 300 YARDS INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO REALIZE THAT ALL OF BURGER ROAD WE TAKE 200 ACRES WORTH OF WATER EVERY TIME IT RAINS. NUMBER 12 I HAVE FISH SWIMMING IN THE FAIRWAYS EVERY TIME IT RAINS. THAT'S BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WALKER MEADOWS, WHEN THEY PUT THAT IN, THEY PUT A SMALL RETENTION POND IN THE BACK OF IT WHICH DUMPS INTO ANOTHER CRAPPY SMALL RETENTION POND, WHICH GOES RIGHT INTO OUR GOLF COURSE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS, BUT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. THE GOLF COURSE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1932. I MEAN, I JUST KIND OF HOPING THAT WE'D NOT HAVE TO TURN INTO A SWAMP OR RENT AIRBOATS OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. WELL, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC, PLEASE. I'M SORRY. THE LADY BEHIND YOU RAISED HER HAND. YOU COULDN'T SEE HER. OKAY. GO AHEA. OKAY. WE WILL HAVE TIME FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO, SO DON'T WORRY. I HAVE NOTES BECAUSE I'M NERVOUS. SURE, MY NAME IS SHARON BERGER, AND THIS IS MY HUSBAND, BILL. OUR ADDRESS IS 18951 BERGER ROAD, MARYSVILLE, OHIO. WE OWN A FARMLAND IN THE AREA THAT'S BEEN IN BILL'S FAMILY SINCE 1860, IT'S CURRENTLY BEING FARMED, AND HAS BEEN ALL THESE YEARS, ALTHOUGH THE LAND HAS NOT TOUCHED THE AREA THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED. IT IS IN THE AREA YOU CAN IMAGINE. WE HAVE A DEEP BOND TO OUR FARMLAND, FARMLAND IN GENERAL, AND THE WHOLE BERGER ROAD AREA. AND I'M SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE TALKED TO. THEY HAVE, CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AS WE DO. WE KNOW THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL FOREVER CHANGE THE FABRIC. THE COUNTRY FEEL AND THE SPACIOUSNESS OF THIS AREA BEYOND THE REDUCTION OF THE FARMLAND AND THE CHANGE IN ESTHETICS. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED CAR TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS DUE TO MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT CORNER RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF WALKERS, JOGGERS, BIKERS, PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS, WE LIVE ON THE STRETCH OF BERGER ROAD, THAT'S. OH, OKAY. YEAH. THAT GOES TO ROUTE FOUR. OKAY. THAT STRETCH, SO ANOTHER CONCERN IS, RELATING TO THE TRAFFIC IS THE SPEED, THE SPEED LIMIT. WE HAVE CARS THAT JUST BARREL DOWN BERGER ROAD AND WITH THE INCREASED PEDESTRIANS, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. AND WITH THE INCREASED CARS, SOUTHARD ROAD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN MOVE THE MAP DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT. YEAH, SOUTHARD ROAD UP HERE, I'M NOT TALL ENOUGH, BUT, IS 45 MILES AN HOUR THIS STRETCH OF BERGER ROAD, THERE'S NO SPEED LIMIT SIGN, SO NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT IS. BUT THIS PART OF BERGER ROAD IS 35 [00:35:01] MILES AN HOUR. THAT GOES TO ROUTE 38. SO WE FOUND THROUGH THE YEARS WHAT PEOPLE DO IS THEY GO DOWN SOUTHARD STRAIGHT DOWN BERGER, 50, PROBABLY 55 MILE AN HOUR TO AND AS IT IS, MY HUSBAND MOWS AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY THAT ARE THE SAFEST FOR HIM. SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD HAVE CONTROL OF GETTING A SPEED LIMIT SIGN ON THAT SECTION OF BERGER ROAD, OR IF WE HAVE TO GO TO THE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE, AND ALSO TO SEE IF THE SPEED LIMIT AROUND THERE COULD BE LOWERED, ESPECIALLY SOUTHARD. THAT'S 45 BECAUSE YOU'LL GET SOME WALKERS THAT'LL GO UP. YOU KNOW, SOUTHARD TOO, SO IF YOU WANT US TO CALL THE, YOU KNOW, TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES, WE'D BE GLAD TO. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHO TO REACH OUT TO. AND WE'VE IT'S BEEN BOTHERING US FOR YEARS. SO I THINK THAT'S ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, WE REALLY LIKE THE WAY THAT THE, THE HOMES THAT ARE PROPOSED. LOOK, THEY'RE ESTHETICALLY, YOU KNOW, PLEASING. THEY'RE NOT COOKIE CUTTER HOMES, YOU KNOW, AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE TREES AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT IS A REAL PLUS, TOO. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND TRYING TO MANAGE GROWTH IN THIS DAY. AND AGE AND IN MARYSVILLE CAN BE A REAL CHALLENGE. WE KNOW THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU AGAIN. I'M GOING TO SIT HERE UNTIL YOU TELL ME. ALL RIGHT. SURE. YEAH I'LL SAY YOU'RE NEXT. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK, ZACH MORSEAU OR, ABOUT SO THAT PART IS THAT TOWNSHIP IS THAT. YEAH. AND EVEN SOUTHARD IS SPLIT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE TOWNSHIP. AS FAR AS WHO MAINTAINS THAT ROAD AND WHO SETS A SPEED LIMIT. AND JEREMY PROBABLY WOULD BE 45 BECAUSE IT'S ON A POSTED. COUNTRY ROAD ON POSTED AT 45 MILES AN HOUR. OKAY, BUT BUT ANY I GUESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHO IF THE CITY COULD PUT IF THE CITY COULD PUT SPEED LIMITS ON THE ROADS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE SO. SO PROBABLY WOULD BE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES TO TALK TO AS WELL AS, MAYBE THE COUNTY ENGINEER WOULD BE MY GUESS BECAUSE, TOWNSHIPS WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE IN THERE. SORRY. YEAH. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SOMEONE WROTE THAT FOR US OR. OH, YEAH. WE CAN DEFINITELY SEND AN EMAIL. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN A YEAR OR TWO OR. DO YOU WANT THAT TODAY? NO YEAH. IT MAY IT MAY SOUND BETTER COMING FROM A RESIDENT, TO BE HONEST. SO. BUT BUT YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO, I'LL GIVE YOU MY BUSINESS CARD. YOU CAN COPY ME AND THEN I'LL. I'LL JUST TELL THEM WHERE IT CAME FROM. OKAY. YEAH SO WHAT WHAT IS INVOLVED IN A TRAFFIC STUDY? WE'RE ALL WE ALL WHAT? WHAT ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE TRYING TO BE ANSWERED IN THAT? SURE. WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO HANDLE THAT ON THE TABLE, YEAH, I GUESS I GOT THIS ONE, SO THEY, FOR THE MOST PART, JUSTIN MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAIL, BUT THEY CAN'T. THE TRAFFIC TODAY, AT CERTAIN PEAK HOURS, AND THEN PROJECT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WOULD BE, CAUSED, I GUESS, OR ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WOULD BE CAUSED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. THEN THEY LOOK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED ON BERGER ROAD WHERE IT CONNECTS, WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT SOUTHERN AND MILFORD AVE TO SEE IF A TURN LANES NEEDED. SO, TYPICALLY THE CONSULTANT WILL WORK ALL OF THAT OUT WITH THE CITY BEFOREHAND WITH AN MOU. SO WE SAY, HEY, YOU THINK YOU'RE JUST LOOKING HERE, BUT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THESE OTHER FIVE SPOTS. THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE AS WELL. SO JEFF YEAH. AND PART OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT'S ON THE OUR STAFF COMMENT LIST IS THAT THAT IT WILL BE WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE UNION COUNTY ENGINEER, SINCE IT AFFECTS BOTH CITY ROADS AND COUNTY ROADS. SO THE COUNTY ENGINEERS WILL BE INVOLVED WITH THIS. SO THAT COULD IMPACT THE BERGER ROAD. ALL RIGHT. YES, SI. MY NAME IS DENNIS SCHULTZ AND MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 18606 BERGER ROAD, RIGHT AT THE CORNER THERE WHERE YOU SEE THE, ONE OF THE EXITS COMING OUT THAT GOES RIGHT INTO OUR DRIVEWAY. NOW, I KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS NOT DOES NOT FOCUS ON THAT THAT PLACEMENT INTO OUR DRIVEWAY, BUT IT COULD PRESENT A BIT OF A PROBLEM, AND THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES WHICH I'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS. THE TRAFFIC, I CAN TELL YOU, BECAUSE WE SIT RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER. IT IS HAS BEEN GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AS FAR AS VOLUME AND SPEED. SPEED IS, IS NOT CONTROLLED. AND, THE 200 OR SO HOUSES THAT ARE GOING IN ACROSS FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ARE NOT GOING TO HELP. I MEAN, [00:40:07] MOST MANY OF THEM WILL GO AROUND THE BYPASS, BUT WE SEE THEM COMING DOWN, YOU KNOW, BERGER ROAD FROM THAT AREA. SO WE EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE TO GET WORSE. WHENEVER MR. SHEPHERD OWNED THIS, WE DISCUSSED THE MATTER SINCE I'M A RETIRED ATTORNEY, I REPRESENTED MR. SHEPHERD MANY DEVELOPERS. SO I KNOW WHAT GOES INTO THESE THING. AND AS I'VE LEARNED, MANY OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT I REPRESENTED WERE CONSCIENTIOUS PEOPLE WHO WERE TRYING TO DO THEIR BEST TO PUT IN A QUALITY PRODUCT. THERE WERE ALSO THOSE WHO QUITE FRANKLY, I DIDN'T WANT TO REPRESENT BECAUSE THEY WERE A DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY. I JUST VERY SUPERFICIAL. LOOK, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD CONTROL THAT SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND THERE. BUT WE THINK THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO YOU PUTTING TOO MUCH MONEY INTO THIS SO THAT YOU CAN GET A GOOD IDEA HOW IT WILL WORK OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WHICH I'M 81. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'LL BE HERE, BUT THAT'S YOU WILL. YOU WILL, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? WHICHEVER GETS THERE FIRST. LISA SIMPSON, 1361 FOX RUN DRIVE, MARYSVILLE. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. I THINK THAT THE REASON THEY WANT TO CHANGE THIS ZONING, IF WITH THIS THIS SKETCH PLAN WILL CHANGE THE ZONING, RIGHT NOW IT'S S R D ALL THE WAY AROUND. SOUTHARD. BERGER ROAD AND TIMBER TRAILS AND HICKORY RUN. THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 80 FOOT OR WIDER. THIS, IF YOU WOULD CHANGE THIS SKETCH PLAN THAT ALLOWS THEM TO PUT LOTS MORE HOUSES IN THERE AND INCREASE THE DENSITY. THAT ALSO INCREASES THE TRAFFIC ON ALL THESE ROADS. THESE ROADS RIGHT NOW, SOUTHERN ROAD AND BERGER ROAD ARE 21FT WIDE. 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THANKT.OU Y VERMUCH.Y APECIATEPRT I. AY.OKOT SEE NG RHE QUEIONS.ST WHAIS THET HANDF THLLBOARDE ? WE HE AAV ITHE AUN ENCEDI. IT 'SOSED.CL O MORE NETIZENCI YEAHTSMM WAS CSEDLO. OHSORRY., I'LL. , LL GIVI'E YOU A COLE MINUPES.UTE'LL S W. SORREEY THEHER AUESTIO QNBOUT A ZONG SITUINION. IATTHISF S I , AS IEDIST OW, IT NOES D ANGE TCH ZONINHEFROMG SRT TO AT, THWH'RE THEY'RE ASEYNGKI FO. DOES THIS ALSO MAKE THE LOTS THE SIDE SETBACKS ON THE LOTS, FIVE FOOT INSTEAD OF TEN FOOT? AND IS IT ALSO SHORTEN THE DISTANCE FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK AS IT IS RIGHT NOW AT SRT, IT'S A TEN FOOT BAY SIDE. EACH HOUSE ON EACH SIDE, WHICH MEANS THERE'S 20FT BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND 30 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE FRONT. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE ZONING PROPOSED SETBACKS? OKAY. WELL THAT WOULD BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT AT THE NEXT SUBMITTAL, THAT TEXT IS NOT WRITTEN, THOUGH WE HAVE ENCOURAGED THE DEVELOPER TO USE OUR SRT TEXT AS A GUIDE, IF IT WAS SOMETHING LESS THAT WAS DEFINITELY WOULD BE A DISCUSSION AT THE, THE NEXT SUBMITTAL. I THINK, FROM OUR PART, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS I THINK THE SRT IS ACTUALLY SIX FOOT SIDE YARDS, SEVEN AND A HALF. I DON'T KNOW, SEVEN AND A HALF, SEVEN AND A HALF. AND I THINK SEVEN AND A HALF IS WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE THINKING, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A GREATER SETBACK ON BERGER ROAD, AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY FOLLOW THE SRT REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACKS. YOU KNOW, INTERIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? ALL RIGHT. HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. DILLION. HI MR. NICKERSON. YES, MISS BURGESS? YES MR. WOLOWITZ? YES MR. ENGEL. YES MR. FISHER. YES MISS LOVE. YES RELATIONS CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF, AND WE WILL SEE YOU THE NEXT MIDDLE. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE A MINUTE, BECAUSE I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LEAVE AND, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. I THINK. THEY'RE TALKING. YEAH. YEAH WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. YEAH. ME TOO. DO YOU MIND CLOSING THE DOOR OR MOVING FURTHER ALONG? WHAT'S THAT? IS THIS A PUBLIC MEETING? WE CAN'T CLOSE THE DOOR. IT'S UNLOCKED. YEAH, YEAH, THEY CAN STILL LET THEMSELVES IN. I HAVE NO IDEA IF YOU'RE BEING SARCASTIC OR NOT. ALL RIGHT. GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, IS TO HEAR AN [3. To hear an application for a Rezoning application to amend the zoning from Manufacturing Innovation (M/I) District to Manufacturing Innovation Overlay District located at 14684 Industrial Parkway in the Innovation District.] APPLICATION FOR A REZONING APPLICATION TO AMEND THE ZONING FROM MANUFACTURING INNOVATION. [01:00:01] MI DISTRICT TO MANUFACTURING INNOVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT, LOCATED AT 14684 INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY AND THE INNOVATION DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? YES SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, MY NAME IS GLENN DUGGER. I'M AN ATTORNEY. SMITH AND HALE, 37 WEST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO. 43215. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, THE CONTRACT PURCHASER OF THE PROPERTY. I'M ALSO HERE WITH, ENGINEERS WITH KIMLEY-HORN. IN THE EVENT YOU HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEYOND MY CAPABILITY AS AN ATTORNEY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ENGINEERS BACKING ME UP. SO THEY'RE HERE TOO. AND THEY ACTUALLY DID A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THE APPLICATION. SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO RECOMMEND THEM. THE PROPERTY IS AS YOU DESCRIBED, 14 684 INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY. IT'S 55 ACRES. IT BACKS UP TO ROUTE 33, THE PROPERTY IS FURTHER, AS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE PROPOSED ZONING OR THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS, IS THE MI MANUFACTURING INNOVATION DISTRICT, WE NEED TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL USES WHICH ARE AVAILABLE IN THE MANUFACTURING INNOVATION OVERLAY. SO WE FILED THIS APPLICATION IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THOSE USES. THE, NOT A LONG LIST OF ADDITIONAL USES, BUT ONES THAT ARE, I THINK, APPROPRIATE, AS, AS I READ THE ORIGINAL INNOVATION DISTRICT YEARS AGO WHEN WE TALKED WITH MR. PHILLIPS ABOUT WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE AND WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, THE SITE IS, WELL POSITIONED WITH VISIBILITY TO ROUTE 33. THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER AND THE NORTH CORNER, THE PROPERTY IS, AS CURRENTLY IS OWNED BY THE CITY. THE CITY HAS ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH MY CLIENT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, SO THAT OUGHT TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA ABOUT KIND OF HOW THE, HOW THE CITY VIEWS THIS, THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN IN IT UP TO, YOU KNOW, AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. SORRY TO INTERRUPT, SIR, BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU ARE THE RIGHT NOW, IT'S PART OF A LARGER PARCEL. YOU ARE PURCHASING YOUR CLIENT ONLY THE 55 ACRES. THAT IS CORRECT, WE WOULD HAVE, AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT MAYBE PURCHASING MORE, BUT THE CITY WANTED TO LIMIT IT TO 55 FOR A WHOLE. YEAH, FOR A WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO GET INTO TONIGHT. BUT YEAH, IT'S ONLY LIMITED TO THE 55 ACRES. THANK YOU, SURE. THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE USES IN THE INNOVATION PARK ARE, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURING INNOVATION, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SURROUNDING THIS ROUTE, ROUTE 33, I WOULD SAY IT'S TO THE EAST OR THE NORTH, WHATEVER. BUT IT'S SORT OF ON THAT SORT OF NORTH NORTHEAST ISH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, I BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF REPORT INDICATES THAT THE PROPOSED THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, PLANS FOR INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S 2018 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S OBVIOUSLY SUPPORTED BY CITY STAFF AND YOUR STAFF REPORT. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME SUPPORT FOR IT AT THE LEVEL OF THE CITY BECAUSE THEY AGREED TO SELL US THE PROPERTY. SO, THE AGAIN, THE OUR ENGINEERS ARE HERE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, THERE ARE, A HOST OF ENGINEERING ISSUES WITH THE PROJECT OF THIS SIZE AND SCALE THAT ARE BEING DEALT WITH. SORT OF AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. WE'LL ALSO THEN HAVE TO BRING THOSE THROUGH AS A PART OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WHERE MOST OF THOSE THINGS WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE HASHED OUT AS A, AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS. SO ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS IS JUST GET THOSE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL USES SO THAT THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW, DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH CITY AS WELL. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AGAIN, ISABEL CARLTON WITH KIMLEY-HORN IS HERE. SHE'S HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WITH REFERENCE TO ENGINEERING. MOST OF THOSE ARE, AGAIN, WOULD BE REALLY MORE DEFINITIVELY ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE DRB. SO YEAH, I DON'T THINK I ACTUALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ANYONE ELSE ON BOARD? I DON'T MEAN TO WASTE YOUR ENGINEER'S TIME. NO, THANK YOU, BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS AND THEN GO FROM THERE. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE, SO WITH THAT, WHAT IS THE WHAT'S THE WORD? I'M LOOKING FOR THE WILL OF THE WILL OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU. BRAIN FART. THERE THAT HAPPENS A LOT. UNFORTUNATELY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MY WILL IS TO [01:05:07] MOTION. TO ACCEPT. TO APPROVE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? MISS LAUB, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. NICKERSON? YES SERVICE. YES. MR. WOLFOWITZ. YES. MR. ENGEL. YES MR. FISHER. YES, MISS. LAB YES. AND, MR. STERLING, HI. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. [4. To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Development Plan application for a development known as Water and Light within the Uptown Commercial (UC) and Neighborhood Commercial (NCD) zoning districts located at Parcels: 2900051660000, 2900051670000, 2900051680000, 2900050340010, 2900050340020, 2900051640000, 2900051650000, 2900051580010, and 2900050400000 off of North Main Street.] CONGRATULATIONS NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS WATER AND LIGHT WITHIN THE UPTOWN. COMMERCIAL USE AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND CDD ZONING DISTRICTS LOCATED AT PARCELS. AND YOU HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF NUMBERS, 2900051660000290005167000029000, 0290005034002, 0290005164000029000516500002900. AND 2900050400000. THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE HERE. ALL RIGHT. FANTASTIC, IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? MAYBE BOB LAMB CONNECT REALTY, ADDRESS 577 WEST NATIONWIDE BOULEVARD, COLUMBUS, OHIO. I HAVE A PRESENTATION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EASIER TO GIVE YOU THE FLASH DRIVE TO PLUG IT IN. PLUG IT IN THERE, MY BOARD MAY NOT LET ME GO. YEAH HOLD ON. I CAN DEFINITELY. I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T NEED IT. A REALLY BAD COMMENT. AND YOU SHOULDN'T FORGET ABOUT THAT. OKAY. SECOND. IS GOING TO BE. I DO HAVE PRINTOUTS. I CAN HAND OUT IF. I THINK WE HAD TROUBLE LAST TIME TRYING TO GET THIS TO WORK. SO I WAS LIKE, I THINK WE HAVE ISSUES WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE 10TH WE. SHOULD CONNECT IT TO YOU. YEP. THIS IS CONNECTED. I CAN TRY TO CHANGE IT. I WASN'T HARBORING ANY RESENTMENT. NO, NO, NO, I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT WHAT I WAS TOL. YOU'RE JUST CONVEYING WHAT I WAS TOLD. YEAH I DO SEE THE LOGIC IN THAT, THOUGH. WHAT CAN YOU DO? YOU GOT YOUR. I CAN, YOU COULD. YEAH. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. UNLESS WE'RE. OH HE'S ON MY RIGHT ON HIM. HE'S ON OUR RADAR FOR SURE. HE'S THINKING ABOUT. IT. OH THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SIR. IS THIS WHAT WAS EMAILED TO US EARLIER TODAY? YEAH, THIS WAS THE UPDATE SENT OUT THIS. WEEK. IT'S BUSY. SO WE WANTED TO PRINT IT AND MAKE THE. TROUBLE. I CAN ALWAYS SEND OUT THE PAPER COPY. AND I'LL TAKE A PAPER COPY IF THAT'S OKAY. I'LL JUST TAKE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, [01:10:11] LIGHT READING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK THANKS, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THE SAME WITH THE POWERPOINT. YES SO. NOW. ALL RIGHT. I GOT ONE COPY LEFT. IF SOMEBODY WANTS IT. OKAY SO AS I MENTIONED, BOB LAMB, I'M WITH CONNECT REALTY, FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ON LAYING OUT A CONCEPT FOR HOW TO REDEVELOP THE, WATER, THE HISTORIC WATER TREATMENT FACILITY. BEFORE I KIND OF JUMPED INTO THAT. I KNOW I PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE COLUMBUS AREA, BUT I DID WANT TO JUST HIT ON THOSE, ONE MORE TIME. I'M NOT CONTROLLING THE SLIDES, BUT. WELL, IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND PAGE ON IT, THE MUNICIPAL LIGHT PLANT PLANT. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE DID IN DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS. IT WAS THE OLD HISTORIC MUNICIPAL LIGHT PLANT IN THE DOWNTOWN. IT WAS, REMOVED FROM SERVICE AND WAS, IN ABOUT THE EARLY 60S. IT WAS VACANT FOR ALMOST 60 YEARS. BY THE TIME WE GOT IT, WE REDEVELOPED THE PROPERTY INTO CLASS A OFFICE AND EVENT LOCATION. AND SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE ON THAT, YOU'LL SEE WHAT WE DID. SO THOSE PICTURES THAT YOU SEE UP THERE CORRESPOND BACK TO THOSE PICTURES ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE WORK THAT WE DID INSIDE THAT BUILDING. AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PAGE IS THE TROLLEY DISTRICT, TROLLEY WAS THE OLD TROLLEY FACILITY ON THE EAST SIDE OF COLUMBUS, MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC TROLLEY SYSTEM THAT'S NO LONGER IN SERVICE. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE STATE OF THE BUILDING, BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL, OF HOW IT LOOKED. WHEN CONNECT, RECEIVED OWNERSHIP OF IT. WE HAVE REDEVELOPED THIS SITE. IF YOU GO INTO THE NEXT PAGE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES OVERALL. WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT BOTH THE MAIN CAMPUS AND THEN ALSO ACROSS THE STREET WHERE TROLLEY APARTMENTS IS GOING, IT IS NOW HOME TO THE EAST MARKET, WHICH HOUSES 18 DIFFERENT SMALL BUSINESSES, MANY OF WHICH ARE FOOD ORIENTED BUSINESSES. IT HAS COLUMBUS BREWING COMPANY'S MAIN FLAGSHIP FACILITY ON SITE. IT ALSO HAS A LOCAL CANTINA, A CO-WORKING OPERATION CALLED THE BRANCH, AS WELL AS A FEW OTHER BUSINESSES LOCATED THERE AS WELL. THE NEXT SLIDE WOULD BE TROLLEY APARTMENTS, SO THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE TROLLEY DISTRICT. IT'S 102 APARTMENT UNITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THIS WILL VERY MUCH RESEMBLE THE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. BEING PROPOSED HERE IN MARYSVILLE. YOU CAN SEE ON THE UPPER PICTURE QUALITY OF THE INTERIOR HIGH END APPLIANCES, HIGH END OF, WATERFALLS ON THE ISLAND, KITCHEN, KITCHEN AREA, SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T NORMALLY SEE IN A RENTAL APARTMENT TYPE PROJECT. AGAIN, VERY MUCH PUSHING UP THAT HIGH QUALITY. LOOKING FOR GOOD BALCONY DECK SPACE AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS. HIGH END MATERIALS. YOU CAN SEE WE USE BRICK, WOOD ORIENTED PRODUCT. HARDY PRODUCT ALL ON THE EXTERIOR OF THIS BUILDING. GOOD. AND SO THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I'M SURE EVERYBODY IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH, LOCATED IN THE HEART OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, LONG MILL CREEK, BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDES OF THAT, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 17.1 ACRES OVERAL. SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE, I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE THIS IS AN IMAGE BASICALLY AT THE CITY HALL FROM A DRONE LOOKING DOWN, SEEING WHAT THAT SILO LOOKS LIKE TODAY AND THE IMAGE THAT IT PRESENTS TO THE COMMUNITY, THEN GOING CLOSER AND LOOKING AT HOW THE [01:15:04] WATER PLANT CURRENTLY EXISTS TODAY, THE SILOS, HOW THEY LOOK AS WELL, AND REALLY AT THIS SITE, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'RE TACKLING SEVERAL KEY ISSUES THAT JUST REALLY MAKE REDEVELOPMENT HARD. BUT THERE ARE ISSUES THAT CONNECT OUR EXPERTS IN ADDRESSING. SO BLIGHT VACANCY, FLOODPLAIN ISSUES, LOOSE FILL ON A SITE, BROWNFIELDS REQUIRING REMEDIATION ACTIVITIES ON THAT SITE TO BE RETURNED TO A COMMERCIALLY REASONABLE SERVICE, HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS AND THEN ALSO RAILROAD TRACKS BEING LOCATED ADJACENT TO IT, WHICH DOES CREATE ACCESS ISSUES AS WELL AS SAFETY ITEMS. WHEN YOU TRY TO PLAN OUT AND DESIGN A SITE THAT'S GOING TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ACTIVITIES, BLIGHT, YOU SAW BOTH WHAT TROLLEY AND MLP LOOKED LIKE. THEY WERE BOTH VACANT BUILDINGS, MUNICIPAL LIGHT PLANT, MLP IS LOCATED IN A FLOODPLAIN, SO WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THOSE ISSUES ON A REDEVELOPMENT SCOPE BEFORE. PHIL, WE'VE DEALT WITH BOTH AT TROLLEY MUNICIPAL LIGHT PLANT AND SOME OF OUR OTHER SITES CURRENTLY WHERE WE'VE HAD TO TAKE FILL REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH REMOVING OF DEBRIS. THAT'S CURRENTLY ON SITE. THAT'S CONSIDERED EITHER POTENTIALLY CONTAMINATED OR CONTAMINATED, AND THEN ALSO HAVING TO ADD FILL TO SITES TO BE ABLE TO POSITION IT SO THAT WE COULD DEVELOP THAT SITE APPROPRIATELY. BROWNFIELD. BOTH MUNICIPAL LIGHT PLANT, TROLLEY. OUR PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE STARTING, THE CIVIC IN THE DOWNTOWN ARE ALL BROWNFIELD DESIGNATED PROJECTS, ALL RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM THE STATE BECAUSE THEY WERE SUCH, CONTRIBUTING NEGATIVELY TO THE SURROUNDING AREA PROJECTS, AND THEN TRAIN TRACKS WE'VE BUILT OFF OF CREEKS, RAILROADS AND A HOST OF OTHER ACTIVITIES, HIGHWAYS THAT CREATE A HOST OF ISSUES THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS AS YOU'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH A PROJECT THAT CAN MEET THE NEEDS OF THE SITE, ADDRESS LIMITATIONS OF THE SITE. BUT ALSO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS. WHERE AND WHEN YOU CAN. SO GOING INTO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR, THIS PROJECT, SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT OVER TOWARDS THE EXISTING SILOS, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IN THAT AREA IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS A HOSPITALITY, RESTAURANT ORIENTED USE THAT WILL HAVE EVENT SPACE. IT WILL HAVE AIRBNB FACILITIES LOCATED IN THERE. IT WILL HAVE A GAMING AREA LOCATED AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL AS A RESTAURANT FACILITY MOVING ACROSS THE STREET BUT STAYING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT. THEY'RE MOVING NORTH OF THAT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT MULTI-FAMILY AS WELL AS TOWNHOMES LOCATED ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROJECT. THE YELLOW YOU SEE, JUST ABOVE THE SOUTHERN MULTI-FAMILY AREA. YEP. RIGHT THERE THEY'LL BE THE HISTORIC PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO LOCATE ON SITE. AND THEN IF YOU MOVE TO THE RIGHT OF THE HISTORIC BRIDGE ON THE NORTH SIDE, I'M SORRY. YEP. RIGHT IN THAT AREA, THAT ONE BUILDING RIGHT THERE WILL BE THE FITNESS FACILITY THAT WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERSHIP. SO IT WILL NOT BE RESTRICTED SOLELY TO THE SITE. SO IT'S A COMMERCIAL ORIENTED FITNESS FACILITY. POOL AREA ALSO TIED INTO THE FITNESS FACILITY. BUT AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS AS WELL AS A FULL SERVICE SPA. SO WE'RE PROPOSING SAUNAS, HOT TUBS, ICE BATHS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD FIND ON A HIGHER END FITNESS FACILITY TODAY GOING INTO THAT LOCATION WITH THE POOL SERVICE AND THEN IN THE EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING LOCATION, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT BEING A CO-WORKING OFFICE. FACILITY. IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT TROLLEY DISTRICT, WHERE WE OWN AND OPERATE WHAT'S CALLED THE BRANCH. IT'S A CO-WORKING FACILITY. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU FIND IN MOST CO-WORKING FACILITIES. THIS ONE IS VERY MUCH MORE HEAVILY ORIENTED TO SMALL OFFICE, ACCOMMODATING SMALL BUSINESSES THAT IN TODAY'S POST-COVID ENVIRONMENT, ARE NOT LOOKING TO RENT A STANDALONE TYPE FACILITY, BUT MAY NEED ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 8 OFFICES THAT THEY CAN OPERATE WITHIN, AND THEN ALSO HAVE CONFERENCE ROOM SERVICES THAT THEY'RE USING IN JUNCTION WITH OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE SAME BUILDING. SO IT ISN'T DIRECTLY TIED INTO THAT DROP DOWN, JUST STEP IN AND USE IT. TYPE FACILITY THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN MORE OF A COACH TYPE ATMOSPHERE [01:20:01] THAT WE DO OFFER THAT MEMBERSHIP. AND SERVICE. SO THE VISION OF THE AREA. SO LOOKING AT THE KEY IMPROVEMENTS, I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE ACROSS MILL CREEK, EXTENSION OF THE TRAIL. SO WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY AND WE'VE AGREED THAT WE WILL EXTEND THAT TRAIL AND MAKE IT HOLISTICALLY ATTACHED SO THAT IT IS A TEN MILE TRAIL FOR THE CITY AND ISN'T JUST LEFT HANGING, COMMUNITY ART. WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND OTHER ENTITIES, AND WE HAVE GUARANTEED THROUGH OUR WORK THAT WILL MAKE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY ART TO OCCUR BOTH ON THE SILOS WITH OUR VISUAL OPPORTUNITIES. BUT THEN ALSO AT OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS ON THE ACTUAL SITE, OR JUST OFF TRAILS THAT WILL BE PUT IN SO THAT THERE IS A CONTINUOUS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE AREA. AND COMMUNITY ART. AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT. IMPROVED STREETSCAPE. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SITE PLAN, WE AGREED TO IMPROVE THE STREETSCAPE ALONG MAIN STREET. SO GETTING RID OF POWER LINES, ADDRESSING THE EXISTING SIDEWALK CONDITIONS, BRINGING SOME GREENERY TO THAT AREA, WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ENGINEER'S TEAM, AS WELL AS PLANNING STAFF IN WHICH TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT SHOULD BE BUILT OUT. PUBLIC PARKING. WE ARE OBLIGATED, UNDER OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC PARKING FOR THE CITY DURING PUBLIC EVENTS. SO WHETHER IT'S THE TREE CEREMONY OR OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT THE CITY OR LOCAL COMMUNITY IS SPONSORING IN THE DOWNTOWN, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO MAKE PARKING AVAILABLE ON SITE FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES. COMMUNITY FITNESS FACILITIES. WHAT I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER COWORKING, ENTERTAINMENT, HOSPITALITY. IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THAT SITE, PLAN ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT LOCATED IN THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WE ARE PROPOSING TOWNHOME UNITS AND THEN ALSO THE MULTIFAMILY THAT I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER AND JUMP TO, SO AS WE MET WITH STAFF THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS LAST WEEK, THERE WERE 30 DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. WE MET WITH STAFF ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS FRIDAY, MAYBE THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK, WORKED THROUGH THAT. WE WENT BACK, WE WORKED ON IT ON OUR END AND IN THE PACKETS THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, AND AFTER GOING THROUGH THAT MEETING, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, 22 COMMENTS OF THE 30 WE AGREED TO ALTER, TO ADDRESS CITY, DIRECTION ON THREE OF THEM. WE ARE OPEN TO FURTHER DISCUSSION TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP ALLEVIATE CONCERNS OF STAFF, BUT WE DO THINK THEY ARE GOOD ITEMS WITHIN THE PROJECT. AND THEN THERE WERE FIVE COMMENTS SUGGESTIONS THAT UNFORTUNATELY, BASED UPON THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE, THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE, THE ISSUES WITH THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WE'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE TO THE EXTENT THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE US TO DO SO, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I CAN KIND OF WALK THROUGH THOSE, SO SOME OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, I THINK, REALLY FALL WITHIN TWO MAIN CATEGORIES, THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SOUTH SIDE AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOT PUSHED CLOSER TO MAIN STREET, WE 100% UNDERSTAND AND NORMALLY WOULD AGREE THAT THE BUILDING SHOULD BE UP ALONG THE MAIN STREET FRONTAGE. THE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE THAT WE RUN INTO ON THIS SITE IS TWO MAIN ITEMS. THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE. SO WHEN YOU GET TO THAT LOCATION, THERE'S A DROP OFF JUST A FEW FEET IN FROM WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE BASICALLY THE RIGHT OF WAY STOPS AND WHERE THE PARCEL BEGINS. YOU HAVE A FEW FEET, BUT THEN THERE'S A DROP OFF. THAT DROP OFF WOULD SIT RIGHT ABOUT, RIGHT BEFORE WHERE THE GREEN AREA IS. YEAH. SO RIGHT ABOUT IN HERE, IT DROP OFF, STARTS RIGHT ABOUT HERE. AND CONTINUES THROUGH HERE TO JUST ABOUT HERE ON THAT SITE. THAT DROP OFF AREA PLACES YOU DIRECTLY IN THE LOWEST PORTION ON SITE AND RIGHT INTO THE HEAVIEST FLOODPLAIN LOCATION FOR THAT SITE. IT'S SIMPLY UNFORTUNATELY, NOT FEASIBLE FOR US TO BRING IN ENOUGH FILL TO RAISE IT UP TO DO THE GEOTECH WORK. THAT WOULD THEN BE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO PLACE A BUILDING ON THERE THAT WOULD GIVE US THE INSURANCE COVERAGE THAT WOULD [01:25:03] EVER MAKE THE PROJECT WORK. SO WE PUSHED IT BACK IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE FURTHER. AS WE LOOKED AT THE LAYOUT OF THAT, WITH THE PROXIMITY OF THE RAILROAD TRACK THERE, IT DOES CREATE SOME CONCERN FOR US. AND PLACING A BUILDING ON THE STREET FRONT WHERE ONCE THE RAILROAD BACKS UP, NOW IT'S NOT SIMPLY THAT ISSUE. YOU'RE NOW STACKING THAT BUILDING RIGHT UP AGAINST BACKUP FLOW OF TRAFFIC. 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ANDAN THEN NEX TIDESLXISTIN EWATERG TREATNT CATIONLOJUMPIN, G TTHEO NE ONE, XTOWCASISH AGAINNG, CREA TO THENSITE,E NG AN TIEAAR FOR INDIDUALSIV TOE ABLE BO USE, TND THE AN TT BUILRIGHTTHE HI, ORICST NGDI. SO THIS IS A SHOT FROM [01:30:03] THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE TO BE LOOKING AT THE FITNESS FACILITY, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS RAISED BY STAFF WAS, COULD WE LOOK AT MOVING THE MULTI-USE PATH FROM BEING LOCATED NORTH OF THE FITNESS FACILITY TO THE SOUTH OF THE FITNESS FACILITY? WE HAVE WORKED IN THE LAST THREE DAYS WITH OUR ENGINEERS AND OUR ARCHITECTS IN ORDER TO DO THAT. SO YOU WILL SEE THAT AS A CHANGE WHEN WE COME FORWARD FOR DESIGN REVIEW, I HAVE ON MY PHONE A COUPLE PICTURES OF THAT THAT JUST CAME IN AT LIKE 530 TODAY. HAPPY TO WALK AROUND AND SHOW THAT TO YOU IF IT'S OF INTEREST, NEXT. SO LOOKING AT THE HOUSING TYPE, THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE SITE, BOTH FROM A TOWNHOME AND AN APARTMENT, STANDARD. AGAIN, THAT USE OF BRICK, STONE, HARDY EXTERIOR WOOD, STEEL ON THE WINDOWS, ALL OF WHICH YOU KNOW, TRACKING VERY MUCH TO WHAT I SHOWED YOU IN THAT OTHER RENDERING. AGAIN, JUST A CLOSE UP OF THAT HISTORIC STRING BRIDGE, AND HOW IT'LL LOOK FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE. BUT LOOKING AT IT TO CROSS IT. THIS WOULD BE THE RESTAURANT AREA. SO SILOS JUST IN THAT TOP RIGHT PORTION, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE EXISTING SILO BUILDING WOULD BE, LOCAL DUCK BEING THE RESTAURANT THAT WOULD BE OPERATING IN THERE. THEY'D HAVE DUCK BOWLING ARCADE, DIFFERENT KINDS OF ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT, THE PATIO AREA EXTENDING OFF TO THE SIDE, AND THEN AS WELL, EVENT SPACE THAT YOU CAN SEE IS KIND OF THAT WHITISH BUILDING LOOKING AREA ON THE SITE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS, JUST TO TALK ABOUT A BIT, BUT GOING NOT SO MUCH INTO THE, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT VISION SIDE OF THE PROJECT, BUT IN THE HISTORY OF IT AND HOW WE BEEN ABLE TO GET HERE, WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH, BOTH UNION COUNTY ON SECURING STATE DOLLARS THROUGH THE BROWNFIELD FOR THIS PROGRAM. WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY, ON THE CREATION OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY SCHOOLS TO ESTABLISH THE INCENTIVE STRUCTURES. WE WERE WE RECEIVED 100% SUPPORT FROM THEIR VOTE FOR OUR INCENTIVE STRUCTURE FOR THIS PROJECT. SO IT WAS REALLY A KEY ITEM IN WORKING WITH BOTH THE SCHOOLS AND THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS FORWARD. ONE OF THE ASPECTS THAT MADE THIS PROJECT POSSIBLE WAS THE STATE TEAM, TRANSFORMATIONAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDIT AWARD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE. AND SO THAT'S ONE WAY IN WHICH WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BRING STATE DOLLARS THAT WOULD NORMALLY NOT BE COMING BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, INTO THE COMMUNITY TO HELP WITH THIS REDEVELOPMENT EFFORT. FINALLY NOT GOING TO THE FINANCIAL SIDE OR THE INCENTIVE SIDE OF THE PROJECT. BUT I THINK A KEY ITEM IS THAT WE AGREED TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AND SPACE WITHIN THE CO-WORKING FACILITY FOR STUDENTS, CONNECT IS A VERTICALLY INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. THAT MEANS WE HAVE OUR REAL ESTATE ARM. WE HAVE OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMEN, WE HAVE OUR CONSTRUCTION ARM AS WELL. SO SELF-PERFORM INDIVIDUALS, WE ALSO HAVE OUR MANUFACTURING SIDE, WHICH YOU SAW AT TROLLEY APARTMENTS. AND WE HAVE HOSPITALITY AS WELL WITHIN THE COMPANY. AND SO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR STUDENTS FOR INTERNSHIPS THROUGHOUT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT INDUSTRY FACTORS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO DO FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT. AND AFTERWARDS. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AT THIS TIME, I DID HAND OUT MY LAST PACKET, THOUGH, OF THE STAFF QUESTIONS, SO I MIGHT NEED TO GRAB IT FROM SOMEBODY. IF, YOU START REFERENCING NUMBERS. WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD PLACE TO START, BECAUSE THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF SETTING THINGS UP FOR US TO, TO START CONVERSATIONS. AND WE'LL HAVE OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS GOING FROM THERE. SO THEY'RE THE THREE THAT ARE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, RIGHT. TO MAKE SURE I'M GETTING THE FIRST ONE, WHIC. ALL RIGHT, IS, IN REGARDS TO THE VEHICLE WASH FACILITY, I BELIEVE WHEN, WHEN YOU WERE HERE IN APRIL, IT'S. WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT. YOU KNOW, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THE CONSENSUS WAS WE DIDN'T WANT A VEHICLE WASH IN THIS, AGAIN, I'M ONE PERSON. IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK UP. JUST DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP IN THIS AREA. YEP. NO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT MY COMMENT ON THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE [01:35:04] BUSINESSES THAT WE DO OWN AND OPERATE OUR CAR WASH FACILITIES. WE HAVE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS FOR THOSE FACILITIES. ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS IS IN THE DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS AREA, BUT THAT LOCATION IS ACTUALLY INSIDE A PARKING GARAGE. SO IT'S NOT YOU DON'T VISUALLY SEE IT FROM THE STREET. WE BUILT IT WITHIN PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, AND SO OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT IN WHILE MAINTAINING HIGH QUALITY EXTERIOR AND NOT GETTING THAT STANDARD VISUAL THAT YOU WOULD HAVE OF A CAR WASH THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO BECAUSE WE AGREE A STANDALONE CAR WASH, ON THIS SITE HERE, IS PROBABLY NOT RIGHT NOW. WE THINK THERE ARE OTHER SITES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THAT TYPE OF A USE COULD BE APPROPRIATE. OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AS WELL AS DESIGN REVIEW, BUT OUR ASK IS THAT IT DOES STAY IN AS A USE WITHIN THE PUD. I WOULD SECOND THE CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS. I THOUGHT THE LAST TIME WE HAD IDENTIFIED THAT A CAR WASH WOULD BE ELIMINATED FROM THE USE OUT ON THE SITE. YEAH, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN A PARKING GARAGE, I MEAN, MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT I WOULD ASK THEN THAT YOU STIPULATE THAT IN YOUR, DECISION TO MAKE A VOTE SO THAT WOULD BE CALLED OUT AS A SEPARATE ITEM AND NOT HANDLED WITH THE REST OF THE PUD, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, MR. CHAIR, IS THAT POSSIBLE? I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I WOULD, I GUESS FROM A LAND USE END, IF IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT FROM OUR DEFINITION OF A VEHICLE WASH FACILITY, IF IT'S MORE OF A PERSONAL SERVICES WHERE IT'S A BY APPOINTMENT ONLY, IT'S ONE VEHICLE AT A TIME. AND THAT IS A SPECIFIC USE. MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU ADD TO THE TEXT WHERE YOU DEFINE THAT REMOVE VEHICLE WASH FACILITY. THAT'S IN OUR GLOSSARY. SO THERE'S NOT ANY CONFLICTS THERE. THERE'S NO GRAY AREA, I, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S JUST MAYBE SOMETHING FOR THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS. IF IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT, USE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ROUTE. YOU COULD GO IF IT SATISFIES THE COMMISSION. I BELIEVE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A GENERAL CAR WASH WHERE THE OLD OIL CHANGE AUTOS. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. YEAH IT WAS OUR HOPE AT THAT TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT SITE IN CONTROL. WE DON'T CURRENTLY CONTROL THAT SITE. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE COUNTY LAND BANK, WHICH STILL CURRENTLY CONTROLS IT. SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM. SO I CAN'T REFERENCE THAT SPECIFICALLY. MR. CHAIR. YES, MA'AM. I I COULD SEE US, PUTTING IT IN CONDITIONAL USE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ONCE THEY DECIDE WHERE IT IS, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, HOW IT'S TUCKED AWAY, THEN WE CAN SAY WHETHER OR NOT IT WORKS WITH THE SITE. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THAT. I AGREE, I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH WHAT ZACH SAID, MAYBE HAVING IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL TYPE AND TUCKED AWAY AND NOT SO OUT IN THE OPEN VISUAL, LIKE THE SITE YOU WERE PROPOSING BEFORE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I CIRCLED, IS WHAT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY? IT WOULD NOT BE OUR INTENT AT ALL TO PLACE IT ON THE SITES THAT ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN OUR CONTRO. I ADAMANTLY THE SITE IS NOT CURRENTLY IN YOUR CONTROL. THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT IT. THAT'S WHERE WE THINK IT COULD WORK VERY WELL. BUT AGAIN, THAT IS NOT IN OUR CONTROL AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT AND THAT'S DISAGREE WITH THAT. AND SO IF IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE STATEMENT THAT YOU FEEL IS JUSTIFIED IN THIS, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. MR. SO THIS PD DOES THAT. IF THEY DO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY, CAN THIS PD BE EXTENDED TO THAT PROPERTY, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE A SEPARATE DEAL FROM THIS APPLICATION? IT WOULD HAVE TO RESTART THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. CORRECT. SO CURRENTLY AS IT'S STATED, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE SAKURA SITE. I GUESS THAT'S CLOSE TO BEING SECURED. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE LANGUAGE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT THE SITE WHERE THE FORMER MINUTE LUBE WAS WOULD BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH, GO TO THIS PUD WITHOUT RESTARTING THE PROCESS BECAUSE THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE SKETCH PLAN THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO INQUIRE THAT ANY PARCEL OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION FOR AN AMENDMENT, AS WE DO FOR ANY OTHER PUD AMENDMENT, BUT THE SAKURA SITE IS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. TEXT AND THEN THE MINUTE LUBE COULD BE ADDED WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THOSE STEPS, AT A FUTURE DATE. BUT THEY HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST OF 2025 TO INCLUDE THAT OTHER PARCEL AS WHAT OUR STAFF COMMENTS WERE TO. AND WE AGREED WITH THAT, THE SAKURA SITE WE DO HAVE IN CONTRACT IS SET TO CLOSE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. THE OWNER WAS GONE, TRAVELING FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND JUST ASKED THAT WE HOLD OFF ON THAT CLOSIN. I GUESS THAT KIND OF BRINGS ME TO A QUESTION ABOUT THE USES IN [01:40:03] GENERAL, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT THEN THERE'S TEXT, RIGHT? AND SOMETIMES THE PLAN CAN KIND OF GET LOST AND YOUR USES ARE ALL JUST THEY'RE NOT PER AREA. SO THEORETICALLY YOU KNOW, THAT SECURE, SECURE PARCEL YOU COULD PUT A DUPLEX THERE PER THE PERMITTED USES. AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE BIFURCATED IN SOME WAY WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON THIS PORTION YOU CAN DO THIS OR THIS, YOU CAN DO THIS RATHER THAN I'M TRYING I'M NOT TRYING TO RESTRICT YOUR FLEXIBILITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GENERAL USES THAT MIGHT NOT FIT IN SOME AREAS VERSUS OTHERS. IN THE PUD. WE DID TIE OURSELVES TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THE PROPOSED LAND SITE THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, A CHANGE FROM THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO COME BACK AND THRILL. GOT IT. OKAY. SO IF YOU ACTUALLY JUMP BACK TO THAT SITE PLAN, I'LL. SO WHAT WERE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING IN SUB AREA SIX. SO THE SAKURA SITE. YEAH, SO WE ARE TALKING WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT. SORRY, DIDN'T YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF A BOUTIQUE HOTEL? A BOUTIQUE HOTE, CORRECT. THAT'S STILL OUR HOPE FOR THAT LOCATION. AND HOW MANY STORIES WAS THAT? 5 TO 6 STORIES. BASED UPON FINAL DESIGN REVIEW. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR TEXT? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE PUD TEXT FOR HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS? THEY HAVE 60 FOOT HEIGHT IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, SO IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY FIVE STORIES. CERTAIN TYPES OF USES OF 60FT. SOME ARE TO 40FT TO THE POINT. THAT'S NOT ON HERE THOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ON HERE BECAUSE I DON'T CURRENTLY CONTROL IT. AND SO I COULDN'T PLAN IT OUT LIKE I COULD THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN THOUGH. SO YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT TIED TO ANYTHING FOR THAT OTHER THAN YOUR LIST OF PERMITTED USES? WELL, NO, PER THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HOW THE PUD LANGUAGE WORKS, IT'S NOT SHOWN ON HERE, SO I WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. GOT IT FOR ANYTHING ON THAT OKAY. YEAH. MAKES SENSE. FAIR ENOUGH. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF OUR PUD. SO. AND I HAVE TO JUMP BACK HERE. SO AND IF THERE'S A CONCERN ON THAT, WE'RE FINE WITH ADDING MORE CLARITY TO THAT LANGUAGE. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN WE WORK WITH OUR ATTORNEYS ON DRAFTING, WHAT DOES CITY SAY REGARDING COMING BACK FOR SUBAREA SIX AND NOW SUBAREA SEVEN FOR THE CAR WASH? IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR SIX AND SEVEN. EVEN IF THEY GET THE LAND THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PROCESS FOR THOSE AREAS. THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN TO COUNCIL AGAIN. FOR THOSE TWO AREAS. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEY STATED THAT THEY COULD GO UP TO THE 25 ACRES, BUT THEY'RE AT 17 ACRES NOW, WHICH INCLUDES THE SAKURA SITE, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE TEXT. AND THEN THEY COULD ADD THE MINUTE LOOP IF THEY DO IT BEFORE THE END OF NEXT YEAR, TO THIS TEXT, AND THEN THE FINAL DESIGN WOULD BE SHOWN AT DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IN EACH PHASE IS HOW IT WOULD BE. SO I MEAN THEY COULD CHANGE THE LOCATION THEY COULD GET IN WHEN THEY DO FINAL ENGINEERING AND SOME OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO MOVE. SO IT CHANGES SOME OF THE THINGS. SO BUT THAT WOULD BE HANDLED AT DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FOR THE FINAL LAYOUT AND ALL THOSE DETAILS OF THE LANDSCAPING AND THOSE ITEMS. I DON'T GET TOO INVOLVED WITH THE DRB, SORRY, BUT DO THEY DICTATE USE? DO THEY HAVE A SAY ON WHAT USE WOULD BE NO. OKAY. WE CANNOT. WE CANNOT ON DRB. SO WHAT PASSES HERE IN ZONING? WE WOULD OUR HANDS WOULD BE TIED AT DRB. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT JEFF. THEY CAN COME BACK TO DRB, BUT IF IT'S PASSED HERE, LIKE THE CAR WASH AND THE SIX STORY BOUTIQUE OR FIVE STORY BOUTIQUE, IF IT'S ZONED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ZONING. DRB SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE CAUGHT UP. AND SO WE DON'T SEE SIX AND SEVEN ON HERE. I FEEL LIKE I NEED I NEED TO SEE IT OR I FEEL LIKE IT'S SO HARD TO WIN. LIKE IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN OR COULD HAPPEN. SO WE DON'T OWN THOSE SITES CURRENTLY. RIGHT WE'RE FINE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE ON THE CAR SERVICE ISSUE. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A CONCERN. IF WE ARE ACQUIRING THE ADDITIONAL SITE THAT WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT IT AS A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, SO THERE'S NO CHANGE FROM THAT CONCEPT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CONCERN OVER THAT SPECIFIC USE STANDPOINT. I BEG TO DIFFER. DURING OUR LESSONS, WE DID HAVE CONCERNS IN THE LAST MEETING REGARDING THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL. HERE'S MY CONCERN, WITH AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M FOR OR AGAINST THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL. WE ALLOW [01:45:06] THAT IN THIS PUD. ALL OF A SUDDEN IT MOVES FORWARD. NOW WE'VE GOT A FIVE STORY HOTEL NEXT TO THESE RESIDENTIAL HOMES. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE AWARE THAT IT'S BEEN PERMITTED FOR THEM TO PUT A HOTEL THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO KIND OF BE BLINDSIDED. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE ROOM OF ANGRY CITIZENS, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M AGAINST IT. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I SEE FUTURE PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FAR ALONG LONG ENOUGH IN THE PLAN. SO I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH ONE OTHER QUESTION OR SOME OTHER QUESTION. THE HISTORICAL BUILDING. WHAT'S THE INTENDED USE FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE CO-WORKING OFFICE FACILITY. CO-WORKING OFFICE FACILITY. OKAY IT JUST SEEMED TO ME THAT WHEN WE INITIALLY TALKED WITH YOU, THERE WAS A LOT OF USES OR BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES GOING IN HERE, BUT WITH OUR LAYOUT HERE, WHAT I'M SEEING IS BASICALLY ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX, SOME TOWNHOMES. YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY FITNESS FACILITY THAT WOULD BE OPERATED AS A BUSINESS LOCATED THERE, A SPA FACILITY LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET. YOU WOULD HAVE HOSPITALITY SERVICES. SO BOTH A RESTAURANT AND ENTERTAINMENT ORIENTED AND THEN EVENT SPACE. I SEE THAT ACROSS THE STREET, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING MORE ON THE SITE THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING WITH RESIDENTIAL TO MAKE IT. THAT INTERACTION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND SOME TYPE OF SERVICE ORIENTED BUSINESS. WE PROPOSE THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL, WHICH WOULD ALSO HAVE SERVICES IN THERE. MIKE. YES ALL RIGHT. CHAD, WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING NEAR THE FOOT BRIDGE? YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES, WHAT WERE YOU SPEAKING ON? I'M TRYING TO. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. YOU'RE SUGGESTING SOMETHING ELS, WELL, INITIALLY WE WERE SUGGESTING TO MOVE SOME TYPE OF BUSINESSES UP ALONG THE MAIN CORRIDOR ROUTE FOR THERE, THAT WOULD WOULD HAVE PROVIDED SOME OF THOSE SERVICES THAT I WOULD ENVISION. I DON'T KNOW, I DEPENDING ON HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WORKED, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T STUDIED THE SITE. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THE BRIDGE IS A FUNNEL FOR SOME OF THAT ACTIVITY. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT'S FOR THE MULTIFAMILY TO GO TO THE GYM AREA IN THE POOL. CORRECT? WELL, AND IT TIES THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE. FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE NOT FOR OR AGAINST ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO VET THIS OUT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FLESH IT OUT. OUT LOUD. SO DON'T TAKE OUR TONE OR OUR QUESTIONS OTHER THAN WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THIS RIGHT. SO WHEN DRB HITS, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A ROOM FULL OF ANGRY PEOPLE. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND MOST OF US ARE ON THAT BOARD, TOO, AND I, I GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, TOO. I'M COOL KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, THE HISTORIC BRIDGE THAT YOU KEPT TALKING ABOUT. WHAT? THAT BRIDGE DOESN'T EXIST. CORRECT? YES IT DOES. THAT'S A COUNTY OWNED BRIDGE. THE STRING BRIDGE. THE COUNTY IS DECOMMISSIONING THAT BRIDGE. THEY ARE AWARDING IT TO THE CITY. THE CITY HAS AGREED TO GIVE IT TO US UNDER THE TERMS THAT WE WOULD PUT IT BACK UP AND PUT IT INTO USE FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, I WAS CONFUSED, I WASN'T AWARE THAT YOU WERE GETTING ANOTHER BRIDGE FROM THE. YES. OKAY, WELL, IT'S THE ONE THAT WAS ON THEIR LIST TO TAKE DOWN AND REPLACE. SO INSTEAD OF IT GOING TO A LANDFILL, IT'S A WAY TO WHICH REPURPOSE A HISTORIC BRIDGE. SORRY, A LANDFILL OR OUTSIDE OF UNION COUNTY? SORRY. COUNTY ENGINEER IS A BIG THING. WAS KEEPING IT WITHIN UNION COUNTY, I DON'T WANT TO JUMP AROUND TOO MUCH. SO LET'S FINISH UP VEHICLE WASH. YEAH. SO CONDITIONAL USE. YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE BOARD? OKAY WITH CONDITIONAL USE? YEAH OKAY. OKAY. ENOUGH OKAY OKAY. SO WE CAN MOVE PAST THAT PART. SO PLEASE GO AHEAD. IF YOU HAD OTHERS. NOT THAT I DON'T. BUT YOU ALLUDED TO THAT THE CITY REQUIRES SOME PUBLIC PARKING. WHAT I SEE IS A SEA OF PARKING ON THE SITE. WHAT WHAT? IDENTIFY THE AREAS THAT WOULD BE USED FOR FUTURE PUBLIC PARKING FOR CITY EVENTS. SO UNDER THE AGREEMENT, WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T RESTRICT IT [01:50:07] TO ONE AREA THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY DURING EVENTS. HOWEVER I WOULD FORESEE THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE THE PARKING LOCATED CLOSEST TO THE CENTRAL DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH WOULD BE THIS AREA HERE, AND MOVING OVER TO HERE WHERE YOU HAVE EASY CONNECTION OVER TO THE ROAD AND BACK DOWN, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN THOSE APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO WANT TO PARK BY THEIR APARTMENTS. PUBLIC PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO BE CLOSE TO THE STREET. CORRECT. AND I THINK TO BOB, I MEAN, THE ENTERTAINMENT HOSPITALITY AREA HAS VERY LIMITED PARKING, RIGHT? CORRECT. THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE USED ALL THE TIME, NOT JUST FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. YES, BY DEFAULT, BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO GO, WHICH WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A CROSSING THAT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL. YEAH YEAH, I BELIEVE IT CAME UP WHEN YOU WERE HERE IN APRIL, THE CITY REQUESTS FOR PARKING WAS NOT A DEFINITIVE NUMBER, CORRECT? CORRECT. JUST SOME PARKING. IT WAS A GENERALIZATION OF MAXIMIZED PARKING AND HELP ALLEVIATE. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKING SIZES AND WHY YOU CAN'T MATCH THE CITY'S, PARKING WIDTHS. NO. AND AS I STATED. SO I WANTED TO BE SURE COMING IN HERE THAT I DIRECTLY HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR ENGINEERS THAT WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING WAS NOT UNSIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND SEEN APPROVED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO THE SIZE IS SMALLER THAN WHAT YOUR STANDARD ALLOWS. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE FELT A PUD WAS THE BEST APPROACH FOR THIS TYPE OF A SITE. IT'S VERY UNIQUE. IT HAS UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS. THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF DEMANDS BEING PLACED ON THIS, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, AND SO MOVING TO A SMALLER PARKING SIZE WAS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SITE OVERALL, IF YOU I BELIEVE WE HAD PROVIDED TO THE CITY OUR PARKING RATIO NUMBERS, THEY ARE HIGH WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM, BUT THEY'RE HIGH BECAUSE WE'RE FORECASTING A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT WITH LIMITED ON STREET PARKING WHILE PROVIDING FOR PARKING NEEDS FOR THE CITY, I KNOW PERSONALLY, I THINK OUR STANDARD IS THE STANDARD BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE THE STANDARD. THAT'S A LOT OF WORDS. CITY STAFF. WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ON, PARKING WITH AND DEVIATING FROM THEM, PER OUR CITY ENGINEER, THAT HE WAS PRETTY ADAMANT THAT WE KEPT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN OUR CODE. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO ANGLED PARKING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ADDRESSED, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS THAT WAS STATED, IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE DID SPEAK ABOUT AT OUR MEETING WITH CITY STAFF THAT DID HAVE THE PLANNING MANAGER, AS WELL AS THE CITY MANAGER THERE. THIS LETTER WAS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING WHERE THEY ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT. SO THE PROJECT OVERALL, IT WAS ENGINEERING COMMENT ABOUT THE PARKING LOTS OR PARKING SPACES. AND I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THE PLANNING COMMENTS, NOT ENGINEERING COMMENTS, NO. I THINK THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS WERE THE SIZE OF IT THAT WAS ADDRESSED BY MY ENGINEERS OWN BY SAYING THE EIGHT FOOT IS SEEN IN MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES, WE ALSO ADDRESSED IT BY LARGER DRIVE AISLES. SO I BELIEVE OUR DRIVE AISLE IS APPROXIMATELY 26FT. THE AVERAGE IS 20 TO 22. PART OF THAT EXTENDED DRIVE AISLE IS TO ALLOW FOR BETTER ACCESSIBILITY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE SITE, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR BETTER TURN RADIUSES INTO PARKING SPACES. OKAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO REPEAT WHAT YOU REPEAT, I'M GOING TO REPEAT WHAT I REPEATED. OKAY. OUR STANDARD IS THE STANDARD, YEAH. YOUR ENGINEER CAN SAY THAT AN EIGHT FOOT IS FINE. WE HAD CITIZENS COMPLAIN ABOUT PARKING SPACE SIZES IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, AND IT WAS FOR PROJECTS THAT HAD WAS, YOU KNOW, LONG PREDATED IT, I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE PARKING GUIDELINES. MY, MY COMMENT TO THAT IS THAT'S WHY WE PURSUED WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE PURSUED A PUD, BECAUSE WE KNEW PARKING WOULD BE AN ISSUE. OKAY. BUT THE CITY DIDN'T GIVE YOU A REQUIREMENT ON HOW MANY SPACES HAVE TO BE PROVIDED. IF THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO SEE THAT. NO, THEY DIDN'T GIVE YOU A NUMBER. THE REQUEST WAS TO MAXIMIZE OKAY, MAXIMIZE BASED ON, MAXIMIZE AND BASED ON OUR STANDARDS. THE STANDARD. OKAY. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, OUR DRIVE AISLE WIDTH FOR 90 DEGREE PARKING IS 25FT. SO IF THEY'RE GOING 26FT, THAT'S ONLY ONE FOOT MORE THAN WHAT WE [01:55:03] REQUIRE ANYWAYS. SO IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A EXPANSION FROM WHAT OUR CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES FOR DRIVE. WHILE WIDTH, WHAT'S THE CODE FOR WIDTH OF A PARKING SPOT? OUR WIDTH IS 9FT OR 8FT. SO? SO ONE FOOT EACH WAY, AND THEN THE LENGTH IS 19, WHICH MAKES QUITE A DIFFERENCE. AND IT DOES APPEAR THAT THEY'RE STILL 45 DEGREES. I GUESS YOU WILL FOLLOW IT. CORRECT WE WOULD HAVE TO I IF WE COULD ELIMINATE MORE ISLANDS FROM THE PLAN AND THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES, WE COULD RELOOK AT THAT. I WOULD ASK THAT THE PUD OVERALL NOT BE HELD UP ON THAT, BUT THAT WE'D BE ASKED TO GO BACK WITH OUR ENGINEERS AND TO LOOK AT THAT ISSUE. AND, AND WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WE CAN WE CAN WORK WITH BOB, MAYBE SEPARATELY. BUT IF YOU CAN HAVE THEM GIVE US SOME PLACES, WHETHER IT'S IN COLUMBUS OR WHATEVER, WHERE THEY USE THE EIGHT BY SEVEN OR WHATEVER SPOT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE 26, WE CAN BRING VEHICLES DOWN THERE AND PULL IN, BUT WE REALLY LIKE TRUCKS IN MARYSVILLE. YES. SO SAME HERE. SO LET ME MAKE MY STANCE CLEAR IN THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HAPPY AND WE'RE NOT APPROVING SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH. AND SO PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, IN THIS KIND OF CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THERE ARE VERSUS HOW MANY UNITS ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE HERE, JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE? I THINK IF YOU GO UP TO THREE. WE HAD IT ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU IN ORDER TO CLEAN IT UP. I THINK THEY DID REMOVE THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER ON THERE, BUT IT WAS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED TO THE CITY. YEAH, THEY I APOLOGIZE, THEY DID, COMBINE THEM IT LOOKS LIKE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE WE'RE ASKED TO MINIMIZE THE TEXT THAT WAS ON IT. I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND IT OVER TO YOU. THAT BROKE UP BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE. AND THE PARKING NUMBERS FOR BOTH OF THOSE SIDES, IF YOU GIVE ME A MINUTE, I COULD PROBABLY EVEN FIND IT ON MY PHONE. I'M JUST WORRIED THAT FOR EVENTS FOR THE CITY THAT IS REALLY GOING TO BE SURPLUS PARKING FOR THE COMMUNITY ON EVENT NIGHTS IN UPTOWN, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHAT I WANT TO VERIFY. SO. SO ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE'S 119 SPACES FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, AND THEN THERE'S 160 COMMERCIAL UNITS OR COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE, THERE'S, 245 SPACES, WHICH IS 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT. WHAT ARE THE, THE UNITS ON THE SOUTH SID, JEFF, THE UNITS, THEY HAVE 96 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. SO IT'S 1.25 SPACES PER UNIT. THAT'S THE STANDARD. ALL OVER CENTRAL OHIO, 1.25 SPACES. UNIT. OKAY. AND THEN WE INCREASE THAT NUMBER ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND WE DON'T HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE NUMBER OF SPACES PER UNIT. SO IT WAS JUST THE SIZE OF THE SPACES. JUST THE WIDTH AND LENGTH. BECAUSE THEY HAVE EIGHT BY 17. OURS IS NINE BY 19. SO. OKAY. NOW, I DID NOT COMPLETELY READ THROUGH THE COMMENTS THAT AND GET THROUGH THE PLAN THAT WAS WE RECEIVED IT THIS MORNING, CAN YOU TOUCH ON THE, THE TREES ON THE LEFT AND YOUR PLAN? YEAH. SO IF WE ACTUALLY PULL UP TWO, IF YOU PULL OUT FROM THE THERE, WE GO, SO FROM THE PLAN STANDPOINT, OUR ASK BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT BACK AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE ESPECIALLY IS WOODED CURRENTLY WAS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE TREE REPLACEMENT, BUT THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH STAFF ON DOING A TREE SURVEY THROUGHOUT. SO RECORDING AND DOCUMENTING TREES BEFORE THEY COME DOWN, LOOKING AT WHERE WE COULD REPLACE THEM APPROPRIATELY. IF YOU SEE UP ON HERE, YOU'LL SEE A SIGNIFICANT THAT'S ALL THE TIME. PRETTY REGULARLY. PRETTY SURE I DID THAT LAST TIME TOO, YOU SEE LESS TREES POSITION HERE ON THIS SIDE OF IT AND THEN A GREATER AMOUNT OVER ON HERE. IT'S BECAUSE OUR DESIRE IS TO OPEN UP THIS VIEW [02:00:01] CORRIDOR, THAT HISTORIC BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE LIT UP. AND SO IT'LL BE A FOCAL POINT, BOTH AS PEOPLE ARE WALKING OR USING THE PATHWAY AS THEY'RE DRIVING PAST, BUT ALSO AS THEY'RE SITTING HERE, IF WE COULD JUMP TO ONE OF THAT VISUAL THAT. SO ONE MORE FACT. THANK YOU. SO RIGHT OVER HERE WOULD BE ABOUT WHERE YOU WOULD BE SITTING AT LOCAL ON THAT PATIO THAT FACES THE CREEK. AND THEN HAVING THIS VIEW CORRIDOR, WE FEEL IS IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL VIBRANCY OF THE PROJECT, ESPECIALLY AS YOU'RE COMING OUT. ONE OF THE PATHWAYS, HAVING THAT VERY MUCH VISUALLY SEEN, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT, WHERE YOU'VE LIT UP THE PATHWAYS, LIT UP, WE THINK THAT BUILDS THE ENVIRONMENT THAT HELPS ATTRACT PEOPLE AND, AND IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ESTABLISH HERE AT THIS LOCATION. YEAH, I HESITATE TO ALLEVIATE, YOU KNOW, WAIVING HAVING TO FOLLOW THE TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE TREES ONE FOR ONE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRON, BUT IF YOU REMOVE AND YOU'RE UNABLE TO PUT ANOTHER TREE IN, IT'S PLACING MONEY IN A FUND SO THAT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AS A WHOLE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, MADE WHOLE WITH TREES. NO I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR OUR FEELING WAS THE TREE SURVEY WAS THE BEST WAY WE'D HAVE TO DOCUMENT EVERYTHING AND THEN WORK WITH THE CITY. ON WHAT WORK FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, I'LL BE HONEST, I'D RATHER PUT MONEY INTO IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE THAT YOU WOULD RATHER SEE MORE THAN FROM A DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS, THEN PROVIDING FUNDS GENERALLY THAT WOULD BE LEAVING THE SITE. I'D SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE SENSITIVE TO, YOU KNOW, TREE REMOVAL, ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, A MINER STANDING ON CITY COUNCIL, AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO, SO WE HAVE THAT PROGRAM FOR A REASON. YEP. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO SPEND MONEY ELSEWHERE. SORRY. I GUESS I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, SO, ANY I MEAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE. I IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM. YOU JUST. YES. WOULD LIKE TO BE WAIVED FROM IT. AND, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY CHANGE THE NUMBERS SO IT COULD BE ONE FOR ONE, BECAUSE SOME OF OURS NOW IS, YOU KNOW, TWO TREES FOR EVERY ONE TREE, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND THE LARGER THE TREE, IT COULD BE FIVE TREES PER ONE. THEY COULD DO SOMETHING WHERE IT'S ONE FOR ONE, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF TREES I DON'T KNOW TYPE OF TREES. THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE TO REPLACE THEM. DEPENDING ON THE HEALTH OF THOSE TREES. THE TYPE OF THOSE TREES. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT TREE SURVEY COMES INTO PLACE, SO, SO I GUESS MAYBE IT TAGS ON THAT, HOW DO YOU SEE THE TREE SURVEY, BEING UTILIZED? SO I WOULD VIEW IT AS WAY IN WHICH, WHERE EVERY TIME WE GO FORWARD ON A SPECIFIC PHASE OR SITE AREA FOR A BUILDING, WE HAVE TO TAG EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE, WHAT WE THINK NEEDS TO COME DOWN BASED UPON OUR PROJECT, PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE CITY. IF THERE'S PUSHBACK, THEN IN DESIGN REVIEW, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT PUSHBACK. IT'S A WAY IN WHICH TO LIMIT US ON JUST BEING ABLE TO STRAIGHT BULLDOZE A SITE. WE'RE THEN WORKING TO PRESERVE WHAT WE CAN, WHERE WE CAN DO THE DESIGN REVIEW AND OUR PLACEMENT OF OUR BUILDINGS, AND THEN ADDING AS MUCH GREENERY BACK AS WE CAN. SO, MIKE, AS A DEVELOPER, IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO. OH NO, NO, I KNOW THE TREES ARE GOING TO COME DOWN. IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT HAPPENS. IT'S LIKE A TREE BUYBACK PROGRAM. IT'S COMMON. I'M NOT HEARING THE BUYBACK PROGRAM BEING UTILIZED. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING. HE WOULD LIKE TO BE WAIVED FROM THE BUYBACK PROGRAM. YEAH. WHY JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT STAFF WITH THE AMOUNT OF WOODED AREA ON THIS SITE, THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE ASKED. A LOT OF IT IS OLD RAILROAD PROPERTY. WE'RE TAKING THE BACK. IT'S WOODED. WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT DOWN. WE DON'T THINK THAT REALLY FALLS WITHIN THE SENSE OF YOU'RE JUST CLEARING A SPACE. WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THIS PROPERTY, PRESERVE WHAT WE CAN, WHERE WE CAN. AND YOU THINK THAT IS ALL ON THE SIDE OF THE TOWNHOMES IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THE MOST, IF YOU, GO BACK. SORRY, ON THAT PORTION OF IT. SO THE LAND TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. YES. WHICH IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF TREES CURRENTLY ARE, WHEN IS THIS TREE SURVEY GOING TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT IT BEFORE WE, AS WE GO INTO DESIGN REVIEW. SO IT'D BE PART OF OUR DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. YEAH. DOES THE CITY DO WE HAVE A CITY ARBORIST THAT WILL GO OVER IT WITH THEM? DO YOU DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE HEALTH OF THE TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW? BECAUSE I KNOW, IN THE SUB AREA, A OR ONE, THERE WAS ALL THIS AREA HERE, RIGHT? THAT WAS ALL IN THIS AREA HERE. [02:05:10] I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE HEALTH OF EIGHT TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED AS PART OF THE UPCOMING LOGJAM PROJECT, SO I DID I DID CONFIRM THAT BEFORE THE MEETING. SO THERE'S A HANDFUL THAT ARE ALREADY GOING TO BE COMING DOWN AS PART OF A PART OF THAT PROCESS. SORRY, A MINIMUM OF EIGHT. WHO KNOWS WHEN THEY GET IN THERE WHEN THEY DO THAT. BUT SUBAREA ONE AND TWO, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE YOU GUYS DID A WHOLE BUNCH OF REMEDIATION, THAT'S WHERE WE WILL BE DOING REMEDIATION. YES. AND THEN THAT COULD REQUIRE REMOVAL OF TREES AS WELL. SOILS DETERMINE TO BE CONTAMINATED. SO, MR. CHAIR, THE TREE SITUATION. YES. STICKING POINT OR NOT A STICKING POINT, NOT COMPLETELY. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT. AND, OUR, OUR, OUR PLANT TREE GUY ON DRB, HE WILL MAKE SURE THAT HE WILL HAMMER YOU JUSTLY. SO. NO, I MEAN, NOT NOT IN ANY NOT IN A BAD WAY. YEAH. NO NO, NO. AND HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THIS AREA IS PROPERLY TREED. NO AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. AND OUR INTENT IS NOT TO BE A BAD ACTOR IN ANY WAY OR FORM. WE APPRECIATE THE INTENT OF THE POLICY, IF YOU CAN TALK TO OTHER AREAS WHERE WE'VE DEVELOPED, WE WORK HAND IN HAND WITH STAFF ON TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE PROJECT IN THE DAY MEETS THE NEEDS, THESE ARE JUST ITEMS WE THINK ARE GOING TO BE ISSUES FOR US GOING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WITH REMEDIATION, WITH THE LAYOUT OF THAT BACK AREA. AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE AHEAD OF ISSUES. OKAY ANY OTHER COMMENTS AS FAR AS THAT GOES? OKAY I UNDERSTAND AND I'M NOT TRYING TO COME ACROSS AS OVERLY HARSH. WE'VE GOT THIS ONE CHANCE TO DO IT TO GET IT RIGHT. I KNOW. SO WE FEEL THE SAME WAY. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO BRING UP ALL THE DIFFICULT SUBJECTS, SO, SO ONE OTHER TOPIC WAS, SOUND WALLS AND SAID THAT WE WOULD SEE EXAMPLES TONIGHT. RIGHT. AND IT'S PROBABLY IN THE PACKET THAT I GOT THIS MORNING AND JUST DIDN'T GET THAT FAR. YEAH. SO I'LL TALK TO THAT IF WE ACTUALLY JUMP BACK UP. AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS SEND OUT. I MORE WANTED TO TALK THROUGH THAT THEN SEND ITEMS, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT A SOUND WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE. AFTER TALKING WITH STAFF, WE UNDERSTAND SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT. WE'RE WILLING TO ELIMINATE THAT. JUST LOOK AT LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA. WORK THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW ON WHATEVER IS NEEDED THERE. SO I WOULD STRIP OUT THAT ITEM AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT FEELING ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON THE SOUND WALL. WE VERY MUCH THINK, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. WE THINK WITH THE PROXIMITY OF THE TRACKS THERE ESTABLISHING A 12 TO 15 FOOT SOUND WALL THAT WOULD BE ESTABLISHED DURING DESIGN REVIEW, WOULD BE NEEDED. WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT AS SPACE FOR MURALS THAT COULD BE PUT UP THERE IN CONJUNCTION WITH SCHOOL OR OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS, AS A WAY IN WHICH TO BRING THAT ART FEEL TO THE OVERALL PROJECT, WE HAD SOME VISUALS. I WANTED TO TALK THROUGH IT, THOUGH, RATHER THAN JUST THROW THEM OUT THERE. AND THEN IF OUR CONVERSATION LED IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, GET YOU VISUALS THAT MORE ADHERED TO WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE, YOU MENTIONED 12 TO 15 FOOT. I MEAN, THAT IS YOUR EXPECTATION, WHEN WE LOOKED AT GENERAL HEIGHTS OF SOUND WALLS THROUGHOUT THE COLUMBUS AREA, IT RANGED FROM 10 TO 15. SO AGAIN, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO STIPULATE TO THAT IN DESIGN REVIEW. IT WOULD BE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE TEXT. BUT I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE WOULD LEAVE IT TO THE DRB. IF YOU COME IN WITH A 30 FOOT AND THEY SAY THAT'S NOT VISUALLY PLEASING. YES. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE TEXT YOUR STIPULATION OF NO HIGHER THAN 15FT, I DON'T KNOW, SOUND VERY WELL. YEAH. SO, WITHOUT SEEING IT MODELED, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF. YEAH. AND I SAW A WIDE RANGE OF THEM WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT OVER THE WEEKEND. AND SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO THROW AT YOU 18 DIFFERENT TYPES AND YOU ASKING ME WHICH ONE ARE YOU GOING TO USE, BOB AND ME HAVING TO SAY ONE OF THESE, I DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN WITH THAT VISUAL. SO WE WOULD VERY MUCH ASK FOR THE ABILITY TO PRESENT THAT IN DESIGN REVIEW AND THEN HAVE TO SECURE THEIR APPROVAL FOR IT TO PROCEED. YEAH. ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS? YEAH. COULD YOU COULD YOU POINT OUT EXACTLY WHERE THE SOUND WALL STARTS AND THEN ENDS. YEAH. SO WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING IT RIGHT HERE TAPERING DOWN AS YOU GO HERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT IMPACTING VISUAL IMPROVEMENTS. RISING UP OVER HERE PROBABLY PEAKING AT ABOUT THE TRASH ENCLOSURE AREA THAT YOU SEE THEN RUNNING ACROSS AND THEN DOWN AND TAILORING OUT OVER HERE IN A MORE LANDSCAPING, LOW WALL TYPE. [02:10:02] PARKING SHIELDING. SO IT'LL END BEFORE THE PARKING LOT ENDS? YEAH, IT SHOULD END RIGHT AROUND HERE. PROBABLY FROM ANY KIND OF HEIGHT FACTOR. WE DON'T VIEW THE TRACKS AS CAUSING MUCH OF AN IMPACT OVER HERE AS IT IS OVER HERE. AND THEN MAKING SURE PEDESTRIANS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WOULD BE MOSTLY ORIENTED OVER HERE HAVE A CLEAR DELINEATION OF NOT TRYING TO CROSS ANYTHING ON THIS SIDE. AFTER WE PUT IN LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET DOWNTOWN. WE VERY MUCH SEE THEM TRYING TO CUT ACROSS TO GET DOWN THERE QUICKER. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PHYSICAL BARRIER THAT PREVENTED THAT ACTIVITY FROM HAPPENING. OKAY. ALONG THAT VEIN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO IS YOU GOING TO DO THE SAME THING ON THE SILO SIDE THEN? SO IN THE SILO SITE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME KIND OF FENCING. IT WOULDN'T BE A SOUND WALL IN THIS LOCATION, BUT IT WOULD BE A PHYSICAL BARRIER THAT WOULD DETER PUSH PEOPLE THIS WAY. I FORGET SORRY. NO GO FOR IT. IS THERE LANGUAGE IN THE PAD ON FENCING TYPE? I DON'T RECALL, THERE IS NOT BECAUSE WE WERE ASKED NOT TO INCLUDE AS MUCH FENCING. THERE'S EXISTING FENCING ALL ON THE NORTH SIDE. WE'RE BRINGING THAT DOWN. WE UNDERSTOOD THE CONCERNS ON THE SIDE. SOUNDWALL AFTER TALKING SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT DOWN, SO ANY FENCING THAT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SILO SITE WOULD JUST BE UP TO THE DRB. IT WOULD BE UP TO THE DRB, AND AGAIN, ON THE NORTH YOU HAVE A SOUNDWALL UP BY THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE. YOU'RE JUST THINKING OF A BEAUTY MOUND, LIKE A FIVE FOOT BEAUTY MOUND WITH, WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT WITH STAFF WHAT EXACTLY THAT WOULD BE, WOULD HAVE TO BE LANDSCAPED. SOME KIND OF SEPARATION, THERE IS DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM THAT PART IN THE DEVELOPMENT TAX FOR WHAT? THAT DISTANCE WOULD B. JOHN, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT THE STATE IS OFFERING FOR THIS PROJECT, YOU SAID THAT THEY IS THAT JUST FOR THE BROWNFIELD? NO, NO. WE RECEIVED TWO DIFFERENT STATE AWARDS FOR THIS PROJECT. ONE IS THE BROWNFIELD THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, THE LAND BANK ON AND GETTING THAT SECURED RIGHT NOW, WE'RE CONFIDENT IN THAT AWARD, BUT WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED THE PAPERWORK ON THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM IS THE, THE T MUD, THE TRANSFORMATIVE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDIT. THAT IS A STATEWIDE PROGRAM. IT'S A COMPETITIVE PROGRAM, DON'T HOLD ME TO IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS 53 APPLICATIONS IN THE ROUND WE WENT IN ON, WE WERE ONE OF 8 OR 10 SELECTED FOR THAT AWARD. AND WHAT IT ALLOWS A DEVELOPER TO DO IS TO LEVERAGE TAX CREDITS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM, BUT IF YOU'RE BASICALLY IT'S AN AWARD THAT SETS OFF TAXES OWED. AND SO YOU FOR INDIVIDUALS OR CORPORATIONS, BASICALLY INDIVIDUALS, THOUGH, SO THEY CAN BE RESOLD AS A WAY IN WHICH TO SECURE EQUITY INTO A PROJECT. OKAY WHAT WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH IS THAT WE'RE USING TAXPAYER DOLLARS, AND I'M GOING TO RESTATE WHAT I PREVIOUSLY STATED IS I SEE THIS MORE AS A, AN APARTMENT OR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. ON THE ONE SIDE, WE DO SEE THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS, BUT ITEMS LIKE THE BRIDGE, THAT REALLY PERTAINS TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING AT THE FACILITY, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE BIKE PATH, OVERALL BIKE PATH. THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. BUT REGARDLESS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE RESIDENTIALLY ORIENTED AS OPPOSED TO PUSHED OUT TO THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS. I THINK WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH IS WE'RE USED TO SEEING AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL WOULD AGREE IS THAT HE NORMALLY COMES IN AND THEY HAVE GOT IDENTIFIED USES, WHICH I THINK YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT IT'S LIKE THE PLAN IS CLEARER AND THE TEXT, THE ZONING TEXT IS DIRECTED TOWARDS THOSE FUTURE USES. I STRUGGLE WITH IT BEING WIDE OPEN AND THE FACT THAT, OKAY, WE CAN DO IT IN DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DECIDE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL ISN'T GOING TO FRONT THE RIVER, AND IT'S GOING TO GET PUSHED TO BACK TOWARDS THE RESIDENCES, IT'S IN THE TEXT. WELL, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON IN DRB. WE CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS, BUT WE WOULD STILL BE FOLLOWING YOUR TEXT. SO SO TO THAT POINT, WE ARE HELD IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO FOLLOW THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TIED TO THE PUD. THIS WOULD BE THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN [02:15:04] TIED TO THE PUD. I AM CONTRACTUALLY NOT ABLE TO CHANGE THAT WITH MY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. THEN I WOULD QUESTION IF THIS IS THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT PLAN. PERSONALLY THAT'S MY. SO TO YOUR QUESTION ON THE T MUD, THE POINT OF THE STATE CREATING THE T MUD PROGRAM WAS TO ESTABLISH A TAX CREDIT PROGRAM SOLELY FOCUSED ON PUSHING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH RESIDENTIAL. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. YEP. JUST CURIOUS. I CAN'T SPEAK ON THE PATH TO, FOR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS, THIS HAS BEEN THE MISSING LINK IN THE JIM SIMMONS TRAIL, SO BEING ABLE TO CUT THROUGH THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT OR FORMER WATER TREATMENT PLANT AT THIS POINT WAS VERY CRITICAL, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT WHILE WE WERE STILL PRODUCING WATER. SO, BEING ABLE TO GET THE BRIDGE FROM THE COUNTY AND HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY HAVING THE CONNECTION THROUGH THE FOUR PAWS, PROPERTY IS DEFINITELY CRITICAL TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT ESSENTIALLY MILL VALLEY TO THE UPTOWN AND THEN EVEN POINTS EAST OUT TO OUT TO CHERRY STREET. TO FEED OFF THAT, I THINK YOUR POINT CONNECTING MILL VALLEY TO UPTOWN, LIKE HAVING THAT BRIDGE MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED DIRECTIONALLY TO UPTOWN, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THERE'S DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN BRIDGES FOR VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN. BECAUSE I'M IN, ARMY CORPS WATERWAY, SO I ALREADY HAVE TO GO TO THEM. AS I START LOOKING AT THE SUPPORT STRUCTURES. SO IS THAT THE DETERMINING FACTOR FOR THE I MEAN, IT'S DESIGN ESTHETIC TO I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THAT'S THE SOLE DRIVING FACTOR. BUT THE CLOSER I GET TO THAT BRIDGE, THE MORE I INTRUDE INTO THE WATERWAY. ALL THOSE THINGS AFFECT MY ARMY CORPS, SUBMITTAL. AND IT GOES. IT MAKES SO. START BACK AT THE DRAWING BOARD ON A PROCESS. THEY STARTED MONTHS AGO THAT WILL STILL MOST LIKELY TAKE ME A YEAR TO GET AN APPROVAL ON. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT IS? I DON'T KNOW, IT'S DEPENDENT UPON THE SITE LOCATIONS AND THE DIFFERENT USES AND A MULTITUDE OF FACTORS. SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC NUMBER. AND TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON THE MAIN BRIDGE, CORRECT? CORRECT. RIGHT YEAH. I MEAN, I ACTUALLY LIKE HAVING A FURTHER DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, GRANTED, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AN APARTMENT COMPLEX SOMEWHAT. SO YEAH, YOU'RE NOT EXACTLY IN THE WOODS, BUT, I THINK BEING AWAY FROM THAT TRAFFIC NOISE, I WONDER MAYBE THE ANGLE OF THE BRIDGE, PERHAPS, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOME MEDIATION THERE. IF THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING OFF OF. YEAH. AND I GUESS I COULD SPEAK FOR ENGINEERING, WE HAVEN'T SEEN FINAL DESIGN ON THE ANGLE OF THE BRIDGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE TAKING BOB AND HIS DESIGNERS AT THEIR WORD UNTIL WE SEE THE CALCULATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WOULD STILL SAY THE FACT THAT HE'S ALREADY DONE SOME LEGWORK, YOU KNOW, IS A TESTAMENT TO THEM, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE I THINK I DREW IT ON THERE AT SOME POINT. IT WAS JUST A STRAIGHT LINE. AND, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT SEEMS TO MATCH WITH THE CONTOURS AND, AND CROSSING THE CREEK PERPENDICULARLY, WHICH I KNOW, THE ARMY CORPS WOULD, WOULD APPRECIATE. ALSO, IT'S AN EXISTING BRIDGE. SO THE LENGTH IS THE LENGTH. SO YOU MAY HAVE TO ANGLE IT JUST THIS ONE MIGHT BE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN ERECTOR SET. SO I THINK YOU CAN SHORTEN IT. YOU CAN'T LENGTHEN IT. BUT THAT'S AT LEAST HOW I'VE SEEN IT. YEAH. BUT YOU WERE ALSO SAYING THAT THE REASON THAT YOU WANTED IT ANGLED LIKE THAT IS SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT OF UPTOWN THAT YOU CAN SEE IT'S A FOCAL POINT, IT'S VISUAL DRIVEN AS WELL AS THE RULES OF ARMY CORPS. SO I CAN SAY, AT LEAST FROM THE CITY'S GOAL, IT'S TO GET AS MANY EYES ON IT AS POSSIBLE ONCE IT GOES UP. AND TO BE FUNCTIONAL TO ALLOW PEDESTRIANS. YES ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO SWITCH GEARS A LITTLE BIT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SIGNAGE, FOR THE MOST PART, FOLLOWING CITY OF MARYSVILLE SIGN CODE. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OTHER SIGNS THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY COVERED IN OUR CODE, LIKE THE ROOF SIGN. YES. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS, YEAH. SO A COUPLE DIFFERENT, SIGNAGE ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO SEE. NOW, SOME OF THEM, WE DID ADHERE TO, I THINK THERE WAS A SETBACK CONCERN ON MONUMENT SIGNS THAT WE AGREED TO WITHIN THE 22 COMMENTS THAT WE ACCEPTED, WE VIEW THIS AS A UNIQUE AREA WHERE, AGAIN, YOU'RE PULLING IN DIFFERENT, VISUALS AND CREATING A TRUE EXPERIENCE. AND SO ESPECIALLY OVER ON THE SILO SITE, BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME TYPE OF ROOF SIGN OR ON THE HISTORIC BUILDING WITHIN THE HISTORIC SHIP CONTEXT, BEING ABLE TO DO SOME SIGNAGE. IF YOU JUMP TO THE PICTURE OF THE EXISTING, FACILITY. YEP, GO BACK. YEP. SO NOT A GREAT ANGLE, BUT UP ABOVE ON THAT ROOF LINE, YOU CAN SEE [02:20:03] THE TWO, EXISTING, STRUCTURES BEING ABLE TO PAINT THOSE AND DO SOME TYPE OF A LOGO UP THERE. AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE LOCAL DUCK BEING ABLE TO DO A LOGO, AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S DESIGN REVIEW REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THAT PROCESS, BUT HAVING THE FREEDOM TO LEVERAGE ARTISTS TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN CONCEPTS THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR AN AREA THAT WE THINK HAS ITS OWN UNIQUENESS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I THINK I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE PROBLEM I HAD BEING A VISUAL PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN IS RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT. BUT IN THE RENDERINGS, I DIDN'T SEE THAT CAPTURED. SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE A ROOF SIGN WAS GOING. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL THAT WE HAD PROVIDED TO THE CITY, THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE, SIGNAGE SHOWN IN THAT ONE, ESPECIALLY ON THE LOCAL DUCK SILO BUILDING AND HOW THAT LOOKED, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. WE HAD SOME NIGHT RENDERINGS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED, THAT WOULD BE THE TYPE OF LOOK THAT WE WERE WANTING TO BE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD AGAIN, KNOWING THAT IT HAS TO GO TO THAT DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AT THE END OF THE DAY. BUT HAVING THE FREEDOM TO AT LEAST LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AND DIFFERENT WAYS TO PRESENT IT. RIGHT. AND ALONG THE NEXT QUESTION WAS THE SILO SIGNAGE, LIGHTING. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, BUT BUT THERE IS A MARQUEE SIGN OR LR, LCD UP BEING ABLE TO PROJECT UP AND ONTO THE SILO BUILDING AND BEING ABLE TO USE THAT FOR A HOST OF DIFFERENT USES, INCLUDING COMMUNITY EVENTS, WE AGREED IN THE TEXT TO NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF ADS RUNNING ON IT. SO IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, LOCAL CHEVY DEALERSHIP, AD BUT YOU WOULD HAVE WATER AND LIGHT. YOU COULD SHOW UP ON THERE, IT IT'S BASKETBALL SEASON PLAYER OF THE GAME FOR THAT NIGHT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. THE. COM THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, TREE FAST TYPE ACTIVITIES UP THERE. THAT'S THE INTENT OF THAT LANGUAGE. DID YOU SAY IN A PREVIOUS RENDERING THAT WAS SHOWN, NO, IT'S A NIGHT PICTURE OF THE SILOS WITH DIFFERENT AREAS LIT UP. IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT UP LIT ONTO THERE. HOW LARGE AN AREA ARE YOU, CAN WE JUMP TO THE SILOS? PAGE 114, DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT. ONE DIFFERENT. YEAH THAT'S THE ABBREVIATED ONE HERE. YEAH SO KIND OF LOOKING AT SOMETHING IN THIS GENERAL AREA HERE, IT'S LIKE 4 TO 5 OR. WELL, FOUR. WELL, I'M SAYING FOUR BECAUSE. OH, YEAH. OVER. YEAH POSITION SOMEWHERE IN THESE FOUR. OKAY AND LOWER. SO NOT IT WOULDN'T BE UP AT THE TOP AREA SOMEWHERE WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME OKAY. I MEAN I GUESS AGAIN SIMILAR TO A PREVIOUS COMMENT, LIKE I REALLY LIKED THAT DEFINED, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT GOES TO DRB. BUT YEAH, I MEAN NORMALLY WE WOULD SEE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A GROUP OUT OF MICHIGAN THAT WE ACTUALLY CONTRACT OR WE'RE ABOUT TO CONTRACT WITH FOR THIS WORK. WE MET WITH THEM PREVIOUSLY, THEY WOULD BE DOING THE VISUALS THAT WOULD GO TO, DRB FOR THAT APPROVAL IN ORDER TO SHOWCASE THE EXACT AREA, THE LAYOUT, HOW LONG THAT EACH IMAGE HAS TO BE UP ON THERE, AND THEN SHOWING WHAT THAT MEANS, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE IS A FLASHING ISSUE OR A CONCERN. AND SO HOLDING THAT FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AND DEFINING THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO ALL BRING FORWARD TO DRB. AND WHERE ARE YOU POINTING IS SO IT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SILOS. CORRECT. SOUTH SIDE MAKES NO SENSE. YES IT IS THERE IN THE TEXT TO THE DEFINITIVE TIME THAT THIS GETS SHUT OFF AT NIGHT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE TEXT, OR IS THAT SOMETHING UP TO DRB? WE WOULD VIEW IT AS OPERATIONS OF FACILITY AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO LIMIT IT TO THAT. SO THE FACILITY WOULD, BEING A BRICK ENTERTAINMENT ENTERTAINMENT AREA, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT AT THIS TIME, NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT WOULD BE IN THERE, IT WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BE INTENDED TO GO PAST ANY KIND OF OPERATING HOURS. DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN THE IN THE TEXT AT THIS TIME, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE I THINK DRB COULD SET THE REASONABLE LIMITS. ONCE YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE THAT THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING, YEAH. YEAH, WE BELIEVE THE DRB COULD SET THAT THERE WASN'T, TOO MANY DISCUSSIONS ON THE TIME OF IT BECAUSE THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING [02:25:01] TO BE MORE VISIBLE WHEN IT'S DARK OUT. SO THAT DISCUSSION COULD BE HAD AT, AT DRB AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TIME CHANGE AND THINGS. SO IT COULD FLUCTUATE TIME. SO, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COURTHOUSE HAS LIGHTS ON, ON FOR THE ENTIRE NIGHT, BUT THAT'S A LIMITED PORTION. SO THIS BEING SO, THEIR ILLUMINATION, IT SHOULDN'T SHINE ONTO OTHER PROPERTIES. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE IT FROM OTHER PROPERTIES, BUT THE LIGHT SPILLAGE SHOULD NOT GO TO OTHER PROPERTIES. AND THEN, TO MIKE'S POINT, SO YOU DO HAVE A MARQUEE SIGN LISTED IN HERE. SO I THINK HE WAS ASKING ABOUT THAT AND THE KIND OF THE. YEAH, I WASN'T SUR. THE ROOF SIGNS KIND OF THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS IN THERE. SO WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION FOR THE MARQUEE SIGN, SO IT WAS MORE OF JUST KIND OF AN OPEN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD TO DESIGN REVIEW, AND ESPECIALLY IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT A BOUTIQUE TYPE HOTEL DOWN THE ROAD, LOOKING AT THAT AS A VIABLE OPTION. ALL RIGHT. I THINK YOU HAVE MORE STUFF ON YOUR LIST. SO PLEASE. I THINK I'M GOOD. CONTINUE DOWN THE LINE, MR. SAWYER, I'M GOOD. I'M OKAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE WE OKAY ON THIS? THE STREET FRONTAGE, NOW THAT WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THIS IS THE PLAN, I DID NOT SAY I NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF THIS PLAN, I WILL I WILL VOICE THAT OPINION. BECAUSE THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WOULD SWAY MY VOTE. AND I THINK I WAS SIMILAR, BUT WALKING THROUGH THE ELEVATION LIMITATIONS, WHICH ARE NOT AN INSURMOUNTABLE HURDLE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A LIMITATION. IF I COULD TRY TO DISAGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. IF I COULD ADD TO THAT. I MEAN, THERE ARE NOT ANY MORE, BUT THERE WERE THREE BUILDINGS THERE THAT WERE STREET FRONTAGE. I MEAN, WHAT HAS CHANGED BETWEEN WHEN THOSE WERE DEMOLISHED AND CAN YOU JUMP TO THOSE BUILDINGS, I THINK YEP. KEEP GOING THAT WAY. BUT I CAN ANSWER A PART OF IT. THOSE, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE SO OLD, I BET IT PREDATES FLOODPLAIN, BUT IT WOULD BE ONE. YEAH, AND THE ONE WAS LIKE A CHANTY. THE ONE THAT WAS REAL CLOSE TO IT. AND IT SLOPES AWAY FROM FOURTH. OR IS IT SLOPE UP, SLOPE DOWN TO THE CREEK? YEAH DOWN AND DOWN AND UP. YEAH. SO WHEN IT MAKES SENSE TO BUILD. I'M SORRY. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE FLOODPLAIN AREA. THEN THE LARGE PARKING LOT WOULD BE THE LOWEST PART. SO I'M WITH I'M WITH MR. FISHER. I STILL THINK THAT THAT YOU'VE GOT. THAT'S YOUR BEST SITE AT THE HIGHEST POINT. YEAH. IT'S NOT EVERYBODY THINKING. EVERYBODY'S THINKING LIKE A SINGLE PLANE BUILDING. WELL, WHAT IF THE BUILDING STEPPED WHERE YOUR FIRST LEVEL IS AT STREET LEVEL, BUT YOU, YOUR FOUNDATIONS. YEAH, I CAN'T DO IT FROM AN INSURANCE AND AN ACTUAL ENGINEERING STANDPOINT AND MAKE THOSE TWO WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN ISSUE AND WITHOUT SO MUCH FILL THAT IT BECOMES UNFEASIBLE. WE HAVE A MAP OF SHOWING US WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN IS. IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS MATERIAL, IF YOU GO TO MAYBE THE SITE PLAN AREA THAT HAS IT, IT'S PULLED FROM THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, GO BACK TO THE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE AREA ONE, YEAH. KEEP GOING UP. UP MORE TO THE RIGHT BACK ONE. SO IT'S NOT A GREAT IMAGE HERE, BUT YOU CAN BASICALLY SEE WITHIN THIS WHITE AREA EXPANDING HERE, UP HERE AND OVER HERE AND ALONG HERE ARE THE MAIN FLOODPLAIN LOCATIONS. THESE BUILDINGS FOUNDATIONS WEREN'T THE PLUS. THEY WERE DEVELOPED BEFORE FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS CAME IN. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT WELL BEFORE THE REGULATIONS THAT I HAVE TO FOLLOW. DOING IT FURTHE, WE'RE LOOKING AT RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, WHICH FURTHER COMPLICATES THE ISSUE, ESPECIALLY FROM AN INSURANCE STANDPOINT, SO WE GOT IT UP HERE. THIS IS FROM OUR WEBSITE, USING THE COUNTY'S DATA. YEP. WHEN'S THE LAST TIME THIS WAS UPDATED? DO YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY UPDATED VERY, VERY OFTEN. SO I WOULD THINK TEN, 10 OR 15 YEARS. I THINK THERE WAS AN UPDATE THAT THEY WERE LIKE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY MAKING SURE THE MODELS ARE UP TO DATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WILL COME OUT HOPEFULLY IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO JUST ACCEPT IT AS IS CURRENTLY. YOU KNOW, I DO SEE SOME SPACE THERE THAT IS OUTSIDE [02:30:01] THE FLOODPLAIN THAT COULD STILLE IT'S NOT A LARGE SCALE STRUCTURE. SOME OF THE BUILDINGS YOU'RE PROPOSING IN THE RED, SOME SOME ARE. SO THIS ISN'T A GREAT FLOODPLAIN MAP. BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IS, AS YOU SEE RIGHT ALONG THERE ON THE FRONTAGE THERE WHERE YOU HAVE TO STEP BACK AND YOU HAVE TO DO FOUNDATIONS IN ORDER TO AVOID THAT FLOODPLAIN. SO WE CAN'T DO THOSE FOUNDATIONS AND AVOID THE FLOODPLAIN. THEN AS YOU GO AND BACK INTO THE SITE, THAT WHOLE RED AREA. SO IF YOU GO TO OUR SITE PLAN LOCATION, WE CAN BRING UP A PORTION OF, YEAH. SO THE RED SHOWS YOU LIKE THE WORST FLOODPLAIN TYPE AREA, BUT WITHIN THE RED ARE WORST LOCATIONS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO OUR DEVELOPMENT LINE ALONG HERE ALLOWS US TO REMOVE THAT WORST CONCERN, WHICH IS WHAT'S UP FRONT THERE. WHERE WE SHOW YOU THE LARGEST PARKING LOT AREA. HERE, WE'RE ABLE TO DEVELOP MOSTLY WITHIN THAT OPEN AREA. ONE OF THE BUILDINGS, A PORTION OF THIS IS HIGHER UP THAN THE REST OF IT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE. SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S SHOWN AS IN LIMITED FLOODPLAIN, IT'S NOT THE SAME FLOODPLAIN AS I WOULD CONTEND WITH IN THE PARKING LOT AREA. SO IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW MUCH HAS TO GO INTO IT. THE INSURANCE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WHEN YOU DEVELOP INTO A FLOODPLAIN, AND HOW YOU WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. AS I SAY BEFORE, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO BUILD ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF MAIN STREET. IT'S NOT FEASIBLE IN THIS SITUATION. AND THIS IS A LAYOUT THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY ON FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, THAT OUR ENGINEERS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED ON FOR ALMOST A YEAR. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DIVED INTO. I HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MILL CREEK THERE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, WAS ANY THOUGHT GIVEN FOR THE FIRST LEVEL TO BE SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE WITH RESIDENTIAL ABOVE? SO WE DID LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT WE COULD BUILD ALONG MAIN STREET, AS WE DETERMINED THAT THAT WASN'T FEASIBLE. PUSHING RETAIL THAT FAR BACK WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BACK THERE TO SUPPORT IT DOESN'T CREATE THE PEDESTRIAN ATMOSPHERE THAT WE WANT FOR THAT SITE. SO YOU'RE TUCKING RETAIL AWAY FROM THE STREET THAT DOESN'T HAVE GOOD VISIBILITY ONTO THE STREET AND ASKING IT IN A DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK. I BEG TO DIFFER, JUST IN THIS TOWN, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH RETAIL, EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THE RETAIL IS. I COULD COMPLETELY AGREE. IF WE WERE IN A MUCH LARGER CITY AND YOU HAD TO PULL INTO A PARKING LOT TO GO SEE WHAT STORES ARE BACK HERE, BUT I THERE'S PARKING LOTS. PEOPLE WOULD GO TO THAT RETAIL. SO OUR NUMBERS AND OUR MARKET STUDIES DON'T SHOW THAT. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT AND IT'S JUST AS WE LOOKED AT THE SITE AND HOW WE COULD DEVELOP IT, IT JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE. FEASIBLE. I UNDERSTAND, BUT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE WON'T. YEAH, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO SIDE WITH BOB ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S YOU CAN BUILD IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN LEASE IT. SO THEN YOU'RE JUST LEFT WITH VACANT RETAIL, WHICH IS WORSE THAN NONE AT ALL. SURE. BUT I DO THINK THE WATER AND LIGHT BILL OR THE FORMER WATER TREATMENT PLANT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR SOME SORT OF HYBRID WITH YOUR CO-WORKING CONCEPT TO, YOU KNOW, THAT FRONTS MAIN STREET. GRANTED, IT'S OVER THE BRIDGE, SO IT'S A LITTLE FARTHER AWAY, BUT AND I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE FEELING THAT BUILDING IS TOUGH. YEAH, THERE'S WELLS INSIDE THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH. HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS NOW THE BACK END THAT NORTH SIDE OF IT WHERE YOU SEE US PUTTING IN THE SMALLER BLACK BUILDING? ACTUALLY THE OLD, WATER RETENTION AREA THAT SITS ON THAT, THE BIG CEMENT BLOCKS THAT YOU DRIVE PAST AND SEE THOSE ACTUALLY INTRUDE IN A PORTION INTO THE BUILDING UNDERNEATH THAT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. THEN WHEN YOU ENTER THE BUILDING, WE CAN TAKE, SO THERE WAS AN OFFICE AREA BUILT WHEN YOU FIRST ENTER THE BUILDING. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. SO, YEAH, IF YOU PULL IN CLOSE TO THAT. SO RIGHT IN HERE IS WHERE THE. SORRY. SO RIGHT IN HERE IS WHERE THE MAIN KIND OF OFFICE KIND OF RECEPTION SPOT IS. RIGHT NOW WE CAN KNOCK DOWN THE WALLS, BUT THIS WHOLE AREA HERE IS DROPPED DOWN BELOW. SO IT'S NOT EVEN AND I CAN'T COVER IT FULLY UP AND BE ABLE TO RETAIN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. SO I HAVE TO USE A RECESSED PIECE OF GROUND FOR [02:35:04] SOME TYPE OF USE. AND THAT'S NOT RETAIL ORIENTED. THEN IF YOU GO OVER HERE, I ACTUALLY CAN'T ACCESS ON THIS SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S TANKS FOR TESTING ALL OVER HERE. SO THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S BUILDING AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. BUT THE TANKS ACTUALLY ARE POSITIONED RIGHT THROUGH HERE. AND IT'S AN ELEVATED UPWARD LOCATION. SO AGAIN IT'S NOT RETAIL ORIENTED BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO COME IN UP AROUND UP A LEVEL AND THEN INTO WHERE IT'S THERE. SO YOU'RE LEFT THEN REALLY WITH A ACTUALLY VERY SMALL AREA LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT HAS GARAGE DOORS THAT OPEN UP. AND SO WE WANT TO LEVERAGE THAT FOR HOW WE DO THAT SPA FACILITY UP HERE IN THAT UPPER LEVEL AREA. BY BEING ABLE TO BUILD CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOTHING ALONG HERE THAT PRESCRIBES ITSELF TO A RETAIL WALK IN STANDARD TYPE USE. FAIR ENOUGH. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? MAYBE JUST ONE MORE. I SORRY TO CIRCLE BACK TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENT, BUT I SEE OTHER PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT BRINGING OTHER ELEMENTS INTO THAT LOCATION THAT ARE SMALLER FOOTPRINTS TO THAT AREA THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND ALONG THE STREET FROM A BUILDING STANDPOINT? YEAH. PROGRAMS YOU HAVE. YEAH. I UNDERSTAND THE HOUSING IS GOING TO BE A LARGER FOOTPRINT AND THAT NEEDS TO BE OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT OTHER ELEMENTS, PERHAPS THE FITNESS OR BOUTIQUE HOTEL OR SOMETHING THAT'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT TO POTENTIALLY ADDRESS THAT STREET FRONT. HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT? SO AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE, A SMALL KIND OF STRIP? I MEAN, THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS, IS WE LOOKED AT IT THE ABILITY TO BUILD THERE IS JUST EXTREMELY LIMITED. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT WERE THERE PREVIOUSLY, TALKING ABOUT LIMITED FOUNDATIONS AND DEVELOPED IN A TIME FRAME WHERE THEY DIDN'T FACE THE SAME REGULATIONS WE DO TODAY, UNDERSTOOD. I WILL NOT TELL YOU THAT THERE WOULD NEVER BE A SITUATION WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY IN WHICH, FINANCIALLY, TO MAKE THAT WORK. IT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY. THAT'S WHAT I CAN TELL YOU. AND SO IF TEN YEARS FROM NOW A DIFFERENT OWNER IS STANDING HERE, OF THAT PARCEL, 15 YEARS AND IS TELLING YOU THAT THEY CAN DO SOME KIND OF GEO BORING, AND TO PUT PIERS IN TO BE ABLE TO MEET REQUIREMENTS. AND THEY CAN DROP $4 MILLION ON THAT WORK. MAYBE IT'S NOT TODAY THOUGH, SO IT'S TOUGH FOR ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE YES, WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT HOW COULD WE DO THAT ALONG THE STREET? WE COULDN'T FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK. YOU'RE STILL THINKING, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. KEN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE WILL OPEN MY EYES. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS STILL TO TOUCH ON. SO ONE ONE OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS WAS ANGLED PARKING ALONG MAIN STREET THAT THEY ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, THEY DID MENTION PARALLEL PARKING WITH BUMP OUTS. COULD BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT THEY DO NOT WANT ANGLED PARKING HERE AS MAIN STREET IS FAIRLY BUSY. AND THEY FEEL THAT'S DANGEROUS TO HAVE THIS PARKING HERE ADJACENT TO MAIN STREET. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, AS THEY'RE STILL SHOWING IT ON THE PLAN. ARE YOU OPEN TO. WE'RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH STAFF ON THAT. AND THEN, MIKE, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE FENCING ALONG THE SILOS, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON ON THAT WITH BOB, BECAUSE THERE'S EXISTING FENCING THAT'S GOING TO COME DOWN BECAUSE IT'S IN BAD SHAPE AROUND THE, THE PROPERTY. BUT THEY DO HAVE IT IN THE TEXT, THEY HAVE SOME CHARTS THAT HAVE PERMITTED, FENCING MATERIAL. SO DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF USE. SO THEY'VE GOT LIKE WOOD, BRICK, IRON, STONE, METAL, BUT NOT CHAIN LINK AND THEN VINYL, FOR MOST OF THEIR AREAS. SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT TYPES. YEAH. YEAH. SO MOST OF IT MATCHES OUR CURRENT CODE COMMENTS WHERE THEY GOT MOST OF THAT LANGUAGE FROM. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT FENCE ALONG THE SILOS WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT WHEN IT COMES TO DRB. THANK YOU. YEAH I FORGOT THAT WAS LISTED IN THERE. SO AND MY APOLOGIES I WAS SAYING WE WEREN'T SHOWING ANY FENCING THERE AT THIS TIME, BUT WE WANT IT. AND SO OKAY. AND THEN ON THE ON THE SOUND WALLS, CAN YOU DISCUSS ANY OF THE MATERIALS THAT YOU FOUND THAT [02:40:03] YOU'RE POSSIBLY LOOKING AT ITS MAJORITY OF CONCRETE OR CONCRETE ORIENTED MATERIALS USED ON SOUND WALLS, THEY DO HAVE A PANELIZED TYPE OPTION AS WELL. AND WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? SIR I DON'T ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS. SURE, CERTAINLY. SO CAN YOU PULL UP THE PERMITTED USES FROM THE, THE TEXT? BECAUSE I, WE JUST ALL HAVE TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. SAKURA CAN BE ANY OF THOS. IT'S GOING TO BE A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. BUT WE JUST HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH THE FACT THAT WE WON'T GET ANOTHER SAY ON WHAT SAKURA IS OR ISN'T. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO STIPULATE THAT IF IT WAS USED FOR ANY OTHER USE, THAT WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK. THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. I'LL TAKE THAT IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IT. SURE WE. AND THEN THE HOTEL WILL COME THROUGH AND BE SUBJECT TO THE REST OF THE TAX. SO THAT'S FAIR. AND THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AS WELL. YEP I MEAN MULTIFAMILY YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, BUILD KNOW THERE I DON'T THINK WE WOULD COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND MY APOLOGIES ON THAT. THE WAY IN WHICH WE VIEW IT TIES IT ALL BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS GROUP WASN'T PART OF THE ACCEPTANCE OF THAT IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. I AM TIED TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. GOT IT. WHICH I GUESS THAT WAS MY POINT BECAUSE THIS ONE'S NOT ON IT. SAKURA IS NOT ON IT. SO AND IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT IS. AND IT'S CALLED OUT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT USES. YES SO FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT SOLVES MY CONCERN. IF SO, YES, WE'LL WE'LL STIPULATE TO IF IT'S ANY OTHER USE THAN THAT HOTEL THAT WE WOULD BRING IT BACK. IT'S SO MINOR, BUT IS THERE A GENERAL TERM FOR AIRBNB AND VRBO BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF WE WOULD HAVE PUT SOMETHING IN OUR TEXT 30 YEARS AGO OF LIKE SEARS ROEBUCK AND JAMES CASH PENNEY, WE LOOKED ALL OVER FOR A TERM DIFFERENT THAN TEMPORARY LODGING, AND WE COULDN'T FIND ONE THAT SEEMED TO WORK. A LOT OF COMMUNITIES JUST REFER TO IT AS SHORT TERM HOTEL SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO WE WENT WITH THE TERM TEMPORARY LODGING, AND WE DEFINED IT. SURE. YEP NOTHING ELSE FOR ME. OKAY I'LL LOOK UP AND DOWN AGAIN. JEFF, YOU GOOD FOR RIGHT NOW STEPH OKAY. SO WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. TO, TO SPEAK. AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH. WE WILL WRITE DOWN ANY QUESTIONS THAT DO COME UP. SO CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK. OKAY ANY FINAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, THINGS THAT WANT TO BE SAID OUT LOUD. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT WE'RE MOVING CAR WASH TO CONDITIONAL. YES. SO. SO THE WHAT I HAVE IS A VEHICLE WASH WILL BE MOVED TO A CONDITIONAL USE, WORK WITH CITY STAFF ON PARKING SIZES, MAKE THEM HAPPY. WILL MAKE ME HAPPY, THE PARALLEL PARKING ON THE STREET WILL. OR. I'M SORRY. THE, ANGLED PARKING ON THE STREET WILL GO TO PARALLEL PARKING. WORKING WITH CITY STAFF. WE'LL WORK WITH, COULD WE STIPULATE AS WORKING WITH STAFF FOR THE PARKING? I'M JUST NOT SURE IF PARALLEL WORKS AT ALL, BUT I WOULD STIPULATE TO THE SAME TERM. I HAVE TO MAKE CITY STAFF HAPPY. YES. AND STIPULATE THAT THE SECURE SITE TO BE A BOUTIQUE HOTEL OR OTHERWISE HAVE TO COME BACK FOR APPROVAL. YES. YES, SIR. ASSUMING WE ALL APPROVE THAT THAT BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS A GOOD IDEA. WELL, WE ARE, I THINK YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT. I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE HAVE THEM COME BACK FOR THE HOTEL. I WOULD AGREE AS WELL. YEAH. OKAY. IS THAT POSSIBLE? I MEAN, HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? CAN THAT BE A CONDITIONAL USE AS WELL? YEAH, JUST LIKE YEAH. WOULD IT JUST BE THE EAR DEVELOPMENT OF THE SAKURA PARCEL, WHICH IS NOT CURRENTLY IN YOUR CONTROL, WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M TRYING TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS, TRYING TO THINK OUT LOUD. SO DO YOU ARE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO YOU? I FEEL LIKE THAT GIVES YOU MORE PROTECTION, I THINK SO, SURE. OKAY. AND THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH. YEAH. IN THAT USE WE WANT TO BE A GOOD PARTNER. SO IF THAT MAKES EVERYBODY MORE COMFORTABLE, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CARVE IT OUT IN SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE WHERE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE ARGUING IT OVER IT OR [02:45:05] SOMETHING, I WOULD MUCH RATHER MAKE IT CLEAR. SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. OKAY. WE APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND THE VEHICLE WASH MOVED TO A CONDITIONAL USE. SO JUST TO CLARIFY IT, OUR THE USES IS JUST A HOTEL. WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC USE FOR BOUTIQUE HAS BEEN REMOVED OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE WE CALL IT A BOUTIQUE HOTELS HOTEL IS WHAT YOUR CODE DEFINES OUR DEFINITION OF A HOTEL. SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT A SPECIFIC BOUTIQUE IN FRONT OF IT. SO THEY JUST HAVE A HOTEL. SO THEY WOULD JUST I'M SORRY. OUR, OUR MATERIAL CALLS LITTLE BOUTIQUE. LEAVE THE LIGHT ON FOR YOU. WHO IS THAT ANYWAYS, OKAY, SO HOTEL SIX AND, VEHICLE WASH MOVED TO CONDITIONAL USE. WORK WITH CITY STAFF ON PARKING SIZES AS WELL AS THE PARKING ALONG MAIN STREET. WHATEVER THAT RESULT IS. YEAH. THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS I HAD. SOUND HALL, SOUND, WALL HEIGHT, BUT WE SAID THAT'D BE DRB. SO YEAH. ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STIPULATIONS? WITH THE STIPULATIONS. OKAY. SECOND FOR THE PARKING. IT'S NOT JUST THE SIZE. IT'S ALSO THE ANGLED PARKING. YES. ALONG MAIN STREET, RIGHT. AND THAT'S WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF? YES. I'M JUST MAKING SURE I DIDN'T HEAR IT WHEN I WAS WRITING THE OTHER STUFF DOWN, SO. SURE. SURE YES. PARKING SPOT SIZE AS WELL AS THE PARKING ALONG MAIN STREET. IS THERE A SECOND, YEAH. MR. FERGUS, DID YOU. MR. STONE? SORRY, COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES. MR. WALTZ. NO MR. ANGEL. YES, MR. FISHER? NO. MISS LOVE. YES, MR. STILLING AYE. MR. NICHOLSON. YES. MOTION CARRIES. YES, SIR. APPRECIATE THE TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOOKING FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA BEING, REVITALIZED AND. YEAH, THREE OF US ON DRB WILL BE WORKING WITH YOU. SO I HAVE, OH, THREE OF YOU. YEAH, YEAH, THEY SAID THREE MONTHS TO GET TO THE. CAN YOU TELL MY DESIGN GUYS THAT'S. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TONIGHT, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DON'T YOU HAVE TO GIVE REASONS FOR THOSE? NO. ALL RIGHT, LAST ITEM [5. To hear an application for a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code] OF NEW BUSINESS IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 OF THE ZONING CODE. WILL YOU BE PRESENTING THAT, JEFF? OKAY. WE'LL SEE ALL RIGHT. HOW MANY MINUTES? WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT ON THE PEOPLE FOR. YES OKAY. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE. THAT'S WHAT. DIZZY. YEAH. THAT WAS WHAT RETIRED. AND I'M HUNGRY. OKAY HANGRY. IF YOU'VE NEVER USED. IS THIS A GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENT BEGINNING. YEAH. OKAY I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME. TODAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THE COURT REPRESENTATIVE. OKAY OKAY. SHE ALSO CAME. THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THE REPORT. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE CAN START WITH, SO WE'RE PROPOSING A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 OF THE ZONING CODE, IT WOULD GO TO SECTIONS 1121, SECTIONS 1123, AND THEN ALSO THE APPENDIX FOR THE GLOSSARY OF TERMS, JUST SOME BACKGROUND HISTORY OF THIS, WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER A MORATORIUM, THAT WAS PASSED, UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR AT, IS UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST OF 2024 OR UNTIL CHANGES ARE ENACTED TO AMEND THE ORDINANCES. FOR [02:50:06] MARYSVILLE, CURRENTLY IN CHAPTER 741 IS THE BUSINESS REGULATION CODE. MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED. PROHIBITS CULTIVATION, PROCESSING OR RETAIL DISPENSING OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, COUNCIL HAD THE FIRST READING FOR AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 741, MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS TO PROHIBIT, THE RETAIL DISPENSING OF RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA WITHIN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, WE CITY STAFF MET WITH A WORKING GROUP TO DISCUSS THE MARIJUANA AMENDMENTS TO CONSIDER FOR, WITH THREE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS DISCUSSED. CULTIVATION AND PROCESSING USES FOR MEDICAL AND RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA WITHIN CITY LIMITS, AND THEN RECOMMENDED ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED BELOW, FOR THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA, SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO ALLOW, CULTIVATION AND PROCESSING AS CONDITIONAL USES, AND THE MANUFACTURING DISTRICT AND ALSO THE LIGHT MANUFACTURING DISTRICT, FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA CULTIVATION, MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROCESSING, RECREATIONAL CULTIVATION, AND RECREATIONAL PROCESSING FACILITIES. SO THEY WILL BE CONDITIONAL USES. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW BEFORE BEING PERMITTED, AND THEN WE HAVE STANDARDS, WE WORKED WITH LOGAN UNION, CHAMPAIGN COUNTY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION, WITH, KIND OF A GENERAL CODE MODEL TEXT THAT THEY HAVE, CREATED BASED OFF OF THE STATE REGULATIONS. AND SO WE HAVE PROVIDED THIS, TO GO ALONG WITH THOSE CODE SECTIONS. SO THESE ARE SOME MORE, SET DEFINITIONS AND, AND LOCATIONS, SO PER THE REVISED CODE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE FROM OTHER USES, SO THEY'D HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT, SO THIS WOULD PUT MORE SET STANDARDS FOR ZONING, LIGHTING, IT'S NOT AN AGRICULTURAL USE. NO, WE WOULD NOT PERMIT IT. WITH, A MOBILE BUILDING, AND THEN BASED ON THAT, THEN WE HAVE THE GLOSSARY OF TERMS, SO FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA, I'M ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO HAVE IT WITH JUST UNDER A MARIJUANA SECTION. CURRENTLY, OUR GLOSSARY OF TERMS HAS SOME BREAKDOWN. SO WE HAVE A SET OF GLOSSARY TERMS FOR LANDSCAPING. WE HAVE ONE FOR, I BELIEVE, WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS THAT HAS ITEMS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THAT AREA. SO WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT IN THE GLOSSARY OF TERMS WILL BE IT'LL BE SECTION F AND IT'LL BE JUST ALL THE TERMS WILL BE APPLICABLE TO THE MARIJUANA SECTION. AND THE MARIJUANA SECTION IS ACTUALLY IN OUR GENERAL APPLICABLE, I GUESS I MISSPOKE. IT'S JUST IN MY WE'RE NOT DOING IT OR ARE WE DOING IT, I THOUGHT WE HAD TWO. SO WE ARE DOING IT IN FOUR, 13 AND 14. AND THEN 1123 IS THE GENERALLY APPLICABLE SECTION. SO WE ARE ADDING A NEW CODE SECTION. SO B SECTION 1123 .32, THE GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR THE RECREATIONAL AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA OPERATORS. AND THEN ALL THE TERMS ARE HERE. SO, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT, THE FIRST TWO TERMS WITH ADULT USE CANNABIS, AND OPERATOR, SINCE OUR USES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND THEN RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA. SO THERE'S DISCUSSION ON IF WE NEED TO HAVE ADULT USE OR IF WE REMOVE THE TERMS ADULT USE, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD HAVE AS A CONDITION TO WORK WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL TO FINALIZE THE EXACT LANGUAGE, IT'S KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH ON HOW WE WANT TO DO THAT, BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING IT HERE FIRST AND KIND OF GET YOUR THOUGHTS, ON THAT. SO, DO YOU SAY THAT THE, THE ZONING VERBIAGE CAME FROM THE LUCY. LUCY. OKAY, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT, IN THE STATE, THERE WAS NO DESIGNATION BETWEEN RECREATIONAL AND MEDICAL AT THIS POINT. DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS IN THE STATE. SO OKAY, MEDICAL HAS CERTAIN STANDARDS. YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD KIND OF JUST COPY THAT FOR THE RECREATIONAL. THEY DID NOT. THERE ARE DIFFERENCES. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT MODEL TEXTS FOR MEDICAL AND ONE FOR RECREATIONAL. SO WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT THEM TO SEE WHAT WOULD [02:55:02] COMPLY WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. OKAY. AND SO THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH SO FAR. SO OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE TO THE BACKGROUND, A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT, AS JEFF MENTIONED, THERE WAS A WORKING GROUP. I WILL LET THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS, THE WORKING GROUP SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MADE CLEAR THAT TH. INFORMAL SURVEY OF COUNCIL THAT THEY WERE THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF, DISPENSARIES. PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISPENSARIES, THAT'S NOT OUR DECISION TO MAKE. YOU KNOW, I HAD SUGGESTED THAT OUR VERBIAGE, INCLUDE DISPENSARIES. SO IF AT SOME POINT IT BECOMES LEGAL, WE'D HAVE ZONING FOR IT, AND I, BUT SPEAKING WITH OUR LAW DIRECTOR, WHAT HE EXPLAINED TO ME WAS THAT, WE COULD NOT PRESENT ZONING. THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE NOT LEGAL. YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT IS WHY THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE DISPENSARIES WHATSOEVER. SO, YES. SO THAT'S MY FIRST PART. BUT IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO ADD TO OR DISCUSS. BUT IT'S CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW A DISPENSARY IS NOT LEGAL? I THAT'S WHAT I'M IN THE BUSINESS CODE. THEY ARE SAYING THAT, RECREATIONAL AND MEDICAL DISPENSARIES ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT VERBIAGE. THERE WAS THE FIRST READING OF IT TWO WEEKS AGO IN THE CITY, IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED. ALL RIGHT. OKAY I'M SORRY. I WAS I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IS IT'S NOT OUR LAW YET THAT IT IS ILLEGAL, YEAH. BUT BY THE TIME THAT THIS WOULD BE PRESENTED FOR THE FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD READING, IT THEY WILL HAVE ALREADY VOTED ON IT BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD THEIR FIRST READING FOR THE CHANGE OF THE BUSINESS TEXT. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I IT IS. AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS AN INFORMAL SURVEY TAKEN, BUT, THEY ARE ASKING PLANNING COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A DECISION PRIOR TO A DECISION BEING MADE. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I DON'T DISAGREE, I MAINLY THIS IS DUE TO THE MORATORIUM. I UNDERSTAND. SO SINCE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THREE READINGS ONCE WE RECOMMEND, RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. I MEAN, AT ONE POINT I THINK THIS WAS WITH THE LARGER WORKING GROUP, THE LAW DIRECTOR SUGGESTED MAYBE WE APPROVE TWO SETS OF ZONING, YOU KNOW, SO BECAUSE BY THE TIME THAT IT IT GOT TO COUNCIL, THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT THEIR VOTE WAS AND THEY COULD APPROVE ONE AND DENY THE OTHER. BUT, I'M NOT BETWEEN THAT TIME AND, TIM HAD JUST CALLED TIM AND ASHLEY HAD CALLED ME SINCE I RAISED A GREAT CONCERN OF PASSING THE LANGUAGE AS IT IS WITHOUT INCLUDING DISPENSARIES, AS IF YOU WILL LIKE A TRIGGER LAW, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF IT BECOMES LEGAL. WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE THERE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THIS WAS THE ROUTE THAT HE FELT WAS, APPROPRIATE. I FEEL LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION IS BEING STRONG, ARMED INTO DOING WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO. I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED IT IN THE BUSINESS CODE, WHICH WE HAVE NO SAY IN IT IS A CITY COUNCIL. THEY TOOK IT OUT OF OUR HANDS. I'LL SAY THAT. I THINK OUR CITY COUNCIL AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR ROLE. YOU KNOW, I'M STATING FOR THE RECORD WHAT MY STANCE WAS, AND SO, THE SECOND READING IS OCTOBER 14TH, SO, SO THAT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN I ASSUME IT WOULD BE TWO WEEKS LATER, THE 28TH WOULD BE WHEN THEY ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S YEAH, IT'S NOT DECIDED YET ALSO, BUT, IT'S WHERE IT'S AT. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T PASS ANY OF THIS LANGUAGE. I'M NOT SURE IF IT DOESN'T PASS. I MEAN, THEY WOULD COME THEN IT WOULD FORCE COUNCIL TO BRING IT, TO INITIATE IT TO, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CHANGE THE CODE TO ZONE THE CULTIVATION AND PROCESSING FACILITIES BECAUSE THEIR BUSINESS, IF THEIR BUSINESS REGULATIONS THAT [03:00:04] THEY'RE, THEY'VE PROPOSED TO AMEND GETS PASSED, THEN THAT MEANS THEY'RE PROHIBITING THE DISPENSARIES FOR ALL KINDS. BUT THEN THEY'RE OPEN TO THE CULTIVATION AND PROCESSING. SO THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO INITIATE THAT TO US, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THE CONCERN IS WITHOUT US HAVING VERBIAGE FOR THE PROCESSING AND CULTIVATION THAT, YOU KNOW, COME JANUARY 1ST, HAVE AN APPLICANT BUT NOT HAVE THE PROPER ZONING IN PLACE TO PROHIBIT OR NOT PROHIBIT. UNDERSTOOD AND THERE COULD BE PROBLEMS WITH IF THE MORATORIUM RUNS OUT, THEN THEY COULD JUST COME IN AS WAREHOUSING OR PROCESSING AND THEN IT WOULD JUST COME UNDER OUR GENERAL CODE SO THEY COULD GO ANYWHERE THAT WAREHOUSING IS ALLOWED OR OR PROCESSING IS ALLOWED. AND WE WANT TO HAVE THE SAME REGULATIONS ON IT. SO THAT AND THAT WAS PART OF THE CONCERN WITH THE DISPENSARIES WAS IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THE BUSINESS REGULATIONS AND IT DOESN'T GET ACTED ON FROM ZONING CODE, THEN TECHNICALLY THE DISPENSARY COULD COME IN AS LIKE RETAIL SALES AND SERVICE. IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE. SO, WHICH SO WOULD THAT HAPPEN IF THE CITY COUNCIL VOTES NO. IF CITY COUNCIL VOTES NO, THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK. WE WOULD BRING IT BACK. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION AFTER THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT WAS TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF DISPENSARIES AND KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHERE WE WANT THEM AND KIND OF SOME OF THE REGULATIONS, SO THAT KIND OF NOT MAKE A FORMAL VOTE, BUT HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HEADED ON THAT. AND THEN IF COUNCIL DOES DENY IT, THEN STAFF IS READY AND THE NOVEMBER MEETING WOULD FOR PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE THOSE THAT CODE ON THERE. I MEAN, I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT A LAWYER. I DO NOT PRACTICE LAW. BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF INSTANCES WHERE LAWS TRUMP OTHER LAWS. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN'T ZONE THIS AND THEN HAVE IT FORBADE BY BUSINESS REGULATIONS. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE BULLIED INTO MAKING A DECISION. I MEAN, IF IT'S OUTLAWED IN THE BUSINESS REGULATIONS, THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR THIS IN THE CITY. SO OUR LAW DIRECTOR SAID THAT WE CAN'T ZONE IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ZONE SOMETHING THAT'S PROHIBITE. SO AND THEN IT WOULD JUST ADD A BUNCH OF CONFUSION. IF SOMEBODY LOOKS AT OUR ZONING CODE AND THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE BUSINESS REGULATIONS AND THEY'RE CONTACTING THE CITY AND THEY'RE DOING ALL THESE PLANS TO HAVE A DISPENSARY AND THEN WE TELL THEM THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE SUGGESTED CONDITIONAL. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO FLY UNDER THE RADAR. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCES FOR THE BUSINESS REGULATIONS. AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'VE WENT TO. SO, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT ARGUING WITH ANY OF YOU GUYS. I'M NOT IN THE ROOM. WE UNDERSTAND. WE JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WHY IT IT IS WHAT IT IS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? OKAY. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? NO. ALL RIGHT. AND I'LL ADD JUST A COUPLE THINGS I FORGOT TO MENTION FOR THE DEFINITIONS, AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE ADULT USE AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE IT THAT LANGUAGE. I THINK WE'RE FINE WORKING WITH LAW. YEAH. AND THEN SO THEN THE OTHER ONE IS WHAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IS IT CAME KIND OF SINCE OUR USES ARE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA, WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO THE LAW DIRECTOR TO SEE IF WE HAVE TO DEFINE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA. AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA IN OUR GLOSSARY OF TERMS HERE BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL, IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT, WHAT WHAT POSITION ARE WE PUT IN? IF WHO KNOWS? AND CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T VOTE THE WAY EVERYONE IS ASSUMING THEY WILL. AND NOW WE'VE NOT ZONED. THAT'S WHY WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AFTER THIS. AND THEN WE'LL BE READY FOR THAT. AND THEN IT'LL COME IN NOVEMBER. NOVEMBER. WE COULD. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT TO THE ZONING TEXT. AND IT WOULD BE PASSED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD IMAGINE, RIGHT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO AN EMERGENCY MEETING TO GET IT ON THE TABLES. WITH THAT 30 DAY REFERENDUM PERIOD, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE THERE, OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO EXTEND THE MORATORIUM LONGER OR SOMETHING. SO WE'RE IMPLYING THAT EVEN IF WE PASS THIS, WE STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE THE LANGUAGE AGAIN. YES. YEAH. DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNCIL DECIDES. BUT CURRENTLY THE LANGUAGE, THE LANGUAGE THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT COUNCIL HAS DOES NOT, MENTION CULTIVATION OR [03:05:06] PROCESSING FOR RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA. AND THEN ONCE ONCE THIS GETS APPROVED, THEY WILL HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE BUSINESS REGULATIONS TO AMEND THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA SECTION. SO CURRENTLY THE, THE CODE HAS THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA, HAS THE PROHIBITION OF CULTIVATION, PROCESSING AND DISPENSARIES, HAS ALL THREE. SO THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND AMEND THAT CODE TO REMOVE CULTIVATION AND PROCESSING FROM THE MEDICAL LANGUAGE. I WAS RIGHT THERE WITH YOU GOING AROUND, BUT AFTER THEY TALKED WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR, SPECT REDAN BIEVE, ELU HIS VI, S,EWHAT LI T, T'SLE PASWHAT WS NEEDE O U KNOWYO, IT UP TOIS LO DECI T, THEDEUSINES BS PARTI'VE M. E MY SADNCETA A NDLKED OTA LOUDUT. YE. 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