Oct 28, 2024 City Council

[CALL TO ORDER]

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COME TO ME. THE TIME IS LATER. BUT I WILL. EVERYBODY STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND KEEP STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STAND. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALMIGHTY GOD, WE ASK YOU TO GUIDE US THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING AS WE SEEK TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND ITS CITIZENS. AMEN. AMEN. ROLL CALL. ZACH. BORDNER HERE. STEVEN. WOLF HERE. HANK. FURBY.

DONALD BERGER HERE. SCOTT. HUNTER HERE. MARK REAMS. J.R. RAUSCH HERE. IS. IS THERE ANY

[ APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT]

YEAH. THANKS, TERRY. OUR CITY STREET CREWS ARE CURRENTLY BLENDING COMPOST, GRINDING AND SCREENING CONCRETE AND LEAF AND BRUSH COLLECTION IS PRETTY MUCH AT ITS PEAK RIGHT NOW. THE CITY PARKS CREWS ARE ASSISTING WITH THE EVENTS, NAMELY THE PUMPKIN DROP AND PLACING SOME BENCHES IN SELECTIVE AREAS WITHIN THE PARKS. OUR FORESTRY CONTRACTOR IS MAKING OR CONTRACTORS ARE MAKING PROGRESS ON PLANTINGS, REMOVALS AND RELOCATIONS. AND THEN I GUESS IF YOU TAKE CLOSED STARTING NOVEMBER 1ST, SO THAT'D BE ON FRIDAY. WATER CREWS CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE PARK AVENUE WATER LINE REPLACEMENT PROJECT. AND THEN FROM A WASTEWATER STANDPOINT, WE INSTALLED A NEW PUMP AND SOME PIPING AT OUR HONDA TRANSFER PUMP STATION. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KYLE FOR SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATES. THANKS, JEREMY. I JUST GOT A COUPLE UPDATES TONIGHT. THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE STATE ROUTE 31 PHASE THREE IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. SO PAVING OPERATIONS CONTINUE THIS WEEK, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED BY PAVEMENT STRIPING. JUST AS A REMINDER, THE ELWOOD AVENUE, OR I SHOULD SAY ELWOOD AVENUE AT THE INTERSECTION OF MAPLE STREET WILL REMAIN CLOSED UNTIL THESE OPERATIONS ARE COMPLETED. SECOND UPDATE IS ON THE BARRHAVEN STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KENNY LANE THIS WEEK, AND THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR UPDATES. HAPPY TO ANSWER MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE ONE MORE THING. ONE MORE THING REAL QUICK. YOU KNOW, AARON IS HERE TONIGHT, SO I THINK I'LL TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY. AARON WILL BE RETIRING OFFICIALLY AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. BUT HIS LAST OFFICIAL WORK DAY WILL BE FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 29TH. AND AARON HAS BEEN OUR IT DIRECTOR 12 YEARS. 12 YEARS. AND HE HE'S REALLY, REALLY STABILIZED THE DEPARTMENT IN A PERIOD OF GROWTH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU HAD TO GROW YOUR IT DEPARTMENTS. AARON CAME IN AND DID SOME GREAT THINGS FOR US, NOT ONLY THAT, HE HE'S HE SPECIALIZED A LOT IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT TYPE THINGS. AND HE REALLY WAS VERY, VERY

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YOU KNOW HE'S HE'S JUST GOOD AT WORKING WITH PEOPLE AND THOSE TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTS. OUR GROWTH OF OUR FIBER NETWORK I KNOW IT'S KIND OF BEEN ALMOST COMICAL AMONG. OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF. BUT AARON TALKS ABOUT FIBER AT EVERY SINGLE STAFF MEETING WE HAVE. I MEAN, IT'S IT, BUT IT IS A FIBER IS A UTILITY VERY MUCH LIKE OUR WATER SYSTEM. OUR SEWER SYSTEM, OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM AND OUR FIBER NETWORK NOW IS NO DIFFERENT. AND IT'S ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON. AND A LOT OF THAT CREDIT GOES BACK TO AARON'S STORY AND HIS HIS LIKE I SAY, HIS ASSOCIATION WITH THESE ENTITIES AND TRACK. NOTHING. I'LL LET AARON SPEAK TO IT IF HE WANTS TO TONIGHT. BUT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD IN THE TRANSITION THAT TREVOR WOLFE WILL BE MOVED INTO OUR IT DIRECTOR POSITION. AND TREVOR HAS HAD SEVERAL YEARS IN OUR CITY AND SOMEONE I'VE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH FOR MANY YEARS BECAUSE HE WORKED FOR THE CITY OF GAHANNA PRIOR TO US COMING HERE TO MARYSVILLE. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE IN GOOD HANDS AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT AARON HAS DONE TO REALLY SET THIS DEPARTMENT UP, BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHEN YOU STARTED, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THE DEPARTMENT? JUST STARTED OUT JUST TWO OF US. YEAH. AND SO WE'VE BUILT IT UP IMPROVED. AARON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? DO YOU WANT TO ADD TODAY? NO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST BEEN A IT'S BEEN A GOOD RIDE.

YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE WHAT ALL YOU'VE DONE WITH ALL THE EXECUTIVE STAFF HAS DONE TO SUPPORT THE IT DEPARTMENT. WE REALLY STARTED OUT WITH THE GRASS ROOTS WHEN WE BUILT. OF COURSE, WHEN I COME ON BOARD AT THE FIRE STATION, WE JUST UNDER RODE, WE SUPPORTED WITH JUST UNDER ROOF. AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, COME HERE AND BUILT THIS BUILDING ALONG WITH PERKINS PARK. SO FOR THE FIRST, FIRST 4 OR 5 YEARS, IT WAS ALL ABOUT BUILDING BUILDINGS. BUT THAT GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SET A GOOD FOUNDATION FOR OUR NETWORKS AND THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIALIZING OUR OUR NEW CALLED FIBER NETWORK, WE JUST SIGNED OUR THIRD PROVIDER TODAY. SO WE HAVE THREE COMPANIES NOW THAT WE'RE IN WE'RE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP TO START BRINGING MORE ISP SERVICES TO MARYSVILLE, WHICH IS I MEAN, WE JUST GROW AND GROW.

AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THESE COMPANIES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIBER TO THE HOME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WIRELESS. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD PARTNERS HERE. SO IT'S BEEN GREAT. AND I HATE TO GO, BUT IT'S TIME. AFTER 47 YEARS, I THINK I'VE RULED IT OUT. I KNEW IF I GAVE HIM THE FLOOR, WE'D BE HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT. NOW, NO, I WILL SAY THIS THERE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NICE EVENT FOR AARON ON NOVEMBER 21ST FROM FOUR TILL WHENEVER AT BENNY'S ON NOVEMBER 21ST. SO IF YOU GET A CHANCE AND YOU CAN STOP BY AND HANG OUT A LITTLE BIT, THERE'LL BE PEOPLE FROM ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT, PROBABLY THERE THAT AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENING AT BENNY'S DONE FOR THE CITY. SO WITH THAT, MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL CLOSE THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? DOES PATTY KNOW YOU'RE RETIRING? WELL, JUST. NO.

I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND IF I ECHO THE WORDS THAT BOTH KERRY AND YOU EXPRESSED 16 YEARS AGO. 15 YEARS AGO, WHEN I STARTED THE USE THE SERVICES OF AN OUTSIDE COMPANY. AND HALF THE TIME THAT I WOULD BE AT CITY HALL, WE HAD NO WI FI, WE HAD NO WI FI. AND IT BECAME IT BECAME SOMEWHAT TIRESOME AFTER A WHILE. BUT WHAT HAS REALLY IMPRESSED ME THE MOST AND YOU AND I FREQUENTLY EITHER

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YEAH, BUT THERE IS TECHNOLOGY AND TECHNOLOGY AND YOU WE. WE CAN BE PROUD OF THE TYPE OF WORK THAT YOU DID. SO ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO NOT ONLY CONGRATULATE YOU, BUT THANK YOU FOR HAVING THAT VISION AND BRINGING US TO THE LEVEL WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. YEP. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAD A QUESTION FOR KYLE ON THE ROUTE 31 PROJECT. IF WE'RE DOING THE PAVING AND THE STRIPING THIS WEEK, WHAT COMES NEXT? AND KIND OF WHAT'S THE ANTICIPATED FINISH OF ALL THIS? GREAT QUESTION. YEAH. SO AFTER THE PAVEMENT AND STRIPING GOES DOWN, WE'RE STILL PROBABLY 2 OR 3 WEEKS AWAY FROM THE SIGNALS GOING UP AND BEING IN OPERATION. SO BETWEEN THE BETWEEN FINAL PAVEMENT AND STRIPING, WE'LL HAVE SOME GRASS RESTORATION. SO WE'LL HAVE LIKE TOPSOIL AND SEEDING WILL TAKE PLACE. AND AND YOUR PUNCH LIST ITEMS. SO WE'RE HOPING BY WHEN I SAY WE'RE HOPING BY MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER, EVERYTHING'S KIND OF COMPLETE. AND WE'RE WE'RE PAST. PAST THE PROJECT. IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A LONG 6 OR 7 MONTHS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. I ONLY HAVE TWO STATEMENTS TO MAKE, BUT THE FIRST ONE IS MORE IMPORTANT. MISTER STORY, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. YOU KNO, MARYSVILLE AS A MARYSVILLE GRAD AND COMING BACK HERE AND WORKING FOR THE CITY, I KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE IN BETTER HANDS. KNOWING THAT YOU SERVED YOUR COMMUNITY, THAT YOU LOVED AND CHERISHED THE MOST, AND THERE'S ANYBODY THAT KNOWS YOU, KNOWS THAT YOU ARE PRO MARYSVILLE 100% OF THE TIME. AND I JUST WANTED TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING A LAUGHING INDIVIDUAL. AND, YOU KNOW, SMILING INDIVIDUAL AND SOMEBODY THAT I COULD BE A LITTLE QUIETER. YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL GET OLDER, WE ALL TEND TO SEE PEOPLE COME AND GO. AND AS A YOUNGER COUNCIL MEMBER, SEEING ALL THE FAMILIAR FACES THAT I ONCE KNEW WHEN I WAS VERY YOUNG AND NOW I'M, YOU KNOW, STILL HERE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE ALL DISAPPEARING ON ME. BUT AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU'RE PASSING THE TORCH TO A YOUNGER GENERATION IN GOOD HANDS, AND THAT'S ALL THAT ANYBODY IN PUBLIC SERVICE CAN EVER ASK FOR IS A GOOD FOUNDATION. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND COMMITMENT THAT YOU'VE DONE TO THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. AND I JUST THANK ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE SHOULD ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL, 47 YEARS IN PUBLIC SERVICE. THAT'S A LONG TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY. SO GOOD LUCK WITH RETIREMENT. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD DISAPPEAR, THOUGH.

YOU'RE STILL A RESIDENT. OKAY. THE LAST ALL THROUGH TOWN. THE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DNA, I MEAN, OR MIAMI VALLEY LIGHTING, BUT THEY'RE UPDATING ALL OF THE LIGHTS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY TO LEDS NOW, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WHICH IS A GREAT THING TO DO.

BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, THE LIGHTS ARE EXTREMELY RIGHT NOW AND RESIDENTS ARE TAKING NOTICE. AND I KNOW THAT I'VE HAD QUITE A FEW COMPLAINTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE OLDER PART OF TOWN WHERE THE HOUSES ARE CLOSER TO THE ROADS AND STUFF. SO I ASKED STAFF AND I TOLD THEM THAT I WOULD BRING IT UP ON PUBLIC RECORD IF THEY COULD LOOK INTO WHAT GREEN PASTURES DOES FOR LIGHTING. SO WITH THE ILLUMINATIONS, YOU KNO, TONE DOWN THE BRIGHTNESS OR MAKE IT INSTEAD OF LIKE A BRIGHT

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MOVING ON. PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT. CLERK OF COUNCIL. ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

[PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT]

THAT WAS APPROVED. SIX. YES. ZERO. NO. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WAS FOR DEVELOPMENT CALLED BERGER WOODS. THIS IS FOR A PUD FOR THE SKETCH PLAN. SO KIND OF STEP ONE IN THE PROCESS.

THAT WAS APPROVED SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO. THE NEXT ITEM WAS FOR THE REZONING APPLICATION THAT WE HEARD LAST MONTH. AT INNOVATION PARK. SO THAT ADDRESS IS 14684 INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY. AND THAT WAS APPROVED. YES SEVEN. YES ZERO. NO. THE NEXT ITEM IS AN APPLICATION WE'LL HAVE TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPLICATION FOR THE WATER AND ZERO. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM FOR PLANNING COMMISSION WAS A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT, WHICH WAS SEVEN. YES, ZERO. NO. AND WE WILL ALSO HEAR THIS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR THE MARIJUANA. AND THOSE ARE ALL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA ITEMS. BEFORE WE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION? YES. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A QUESTION. THE BURGER ROAD PUD. JUST SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO MARYSVILLE AS A ZONING CHANGE OR A SORRY, A ANNEXATION WAS IT WAS IT IS ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. OKAY. SO IT'S ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THEY HAD ALREADY PROPOSED THE ZONING FOR THAT. OR IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. YEAH.

THEY HAD ACTUALLY COME WHICH MIGHT HAVE PROBABLY WAS WHEN YOU WERE ON PLANNING COMMISSION.

THEY CAME A WHILE AGO. AND THEN THEY KIND OF HELD THE APPLICATION. I DON'T REMEMBER SO WE'RE JUST NOW SEEING THE SKETCH PLAN. SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE THAT. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MINOR TWEAKS THAT CAME OUT OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO WE'LL KEEP HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AS THEY WORK TOWARD THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OKAY. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, IF I'M SORRY, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS THE WATER AND LIGHT. THERE WAS FIVE.

YES. AND TWO. TWO. NO. CORRECT. THE TWO TWO NO'S. THEY HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS ON IT. JEFF, DO YOU HAVE DO YOU KNOW ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? THEY HAD SOME COMMENTS ON IT AND THEY JUST FELT LIKE THEY WEREN'T READY FOR IT TO GO FORWARD. I BELIEVE. YEAH. SO THE MEMBERS, THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT THE PERMITTED USES COULD GO ANYWHERE ON THE PARCELS. THEY KIND OF WANTED A MORE DEFINED AREA OF WHAT THE PERMITTED USES WERE. SO KIND OF MORE OF SUB AREAS FOR

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[DESIGN REVIEW BOARD REPORT]

YES. ZERO. NO. THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE SIGNS. THE FIRST ONE WAS AT 246 WEST FIFTH STREET.

THIS IS A PROPOSED A POST AND PANEL SIGN. THAT WAS APPROVED FIVE. YES. ZERO. NO. AND THE NEXT ONE IS 312 EAST AND FIVE. YES. ZERO. NO. CAN YOU JUST TELL EVERYBODY IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A SPECIAL MEETING? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AND IT'S GOING TO BE OUR FIRST INTRODUCTION OF THE SIGN CODE. SO WE'RE DOING A SPECIAL MEETING WITH PLANNING COMMISSION. SO WE CAN JUST FOCUS ON THAT. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF AGENDA ITEMS COMING THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION. AND WE WANT TO GIVE ENOUGH TIME FOR GOOD DISCUSSION IN THE FIRST KIND OF REVIEW OF THAT. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE TOMORROW HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT 630. AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A VOTE FROM THIS MEETING. WE JUST WANT TO GIVE A FIRST INTRODUCTION, TAKE ALL THEIR COMMENTS BACK AND THEN WE'LL PLAN TO COME PROBABLY IN DECEMBER, IS WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING. IS COUNCIL ABLE TO COME IN? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THEY WANTED TO ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS HEARING OF CITIZENS WHERE ANY GENDER. CARRIED ON RESOLUTION. A ONE READING ONLY TO RESCIND RESOLUTION 2819 THAT ESTABLISHED

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FUNDS ESTABLISHED A SEPARATE JET REVENUE FUND THAN A MILL CREEK JET FUND. JEROME JET FUND. OF COURSE, WE'RE PARTNERS IN TWO JETS. THAT THAT PART MADE SENSE. I DIDN'T REALLY FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD HAVE A JET REVENUE FUND AS AN AGENCY. FUND? AGENCY FUNDS EXIST FOR US TO MANAGE THE FUNDS OF ANOTHER ORGANIZATION ON THEIR BEHALF, AND THEY GO THROUGH OUR CONTROLS AND SO FORTH. SO MY THOUGHT WAS PLUS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND I GUESS THIS IS EVERY FINANCE DIRECTOR KIND OF HAS THEIR OWN LITTLE NUMBERING SYSTEM THAT THEY PREFER. SO MY THOUGHT WAS I WASN'T EVER GOING TO USE A JET REVENUE FUND BY ITSELF. SO IT WAS JUST TO STRIKE ALL THREE OF THOSE. THOSE FUND NUMBERS BECOME AVAILABLE AGAIN FOR FUTURE USE, WHETHER BY ME OR SOMEBODY ELSE.

THEN WE WOULD REESTABLISH THE JEROME JET AND THE MILL CREEK JET FUNDS AS TWO SEPARATE FUNDS, AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE FUNDS? JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THE BUDGET AS WELL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COLLECT THE REVENUE FROM THE JET. IT'S NOT CONSIDERED CITY INCOME TAX REVENUE. IT IS JET INCOME TAX REVENUE. IT GOES INTO THE JET FUND DISTRIBUTE THE PROPORTIONAL SHARES TO JEROME TOWNSHIP AND THE CITY AND WHAT'S LEFT IN THE FUND IS ACTUALLY THE JED BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AS THEY SEE FIT. NOT UNLIKE THE US 33 COG AGAIN, SAME, SAME IDEA. SO YOU AS COUNSEL DO THE APPROPRIATION, BUT ULTIMATELY HOW THAT APPROPRIATION IS MADE SHOULD COME FROM THE BOARD. AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT PARTICULAR BOARD HASN'T DECIDED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE FUNDS. SO THERE IS NO APPROPRIATION COMING OUT OF THAT IN THE 2025 BUDGET. BUT JUST WANTED YOU TO UNDERSTAND

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[Ord. A]

RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANT TO REMIND OUR ALL OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEN OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, LET THEM KNOW BASICALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET OBVIOUSLY HAS IS GOING THROUGH A PROCESS RIGHT NOW. SO YOU'RE YOU'VE GOT FIRST READING, YOU'VE IS FEEL FREE. OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET. IF YOU WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH MYSELF OR BRAD TO GO THROUGH CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE BUDGET, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, DO NOT HESITATE. THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL IN THERE AND A LOT TO TRY TO ABSORB. AND I DON'T WANT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE TONIGHT AND TRY TO SLAM IT ALL THROUGH. THIS IS GOING TO GO THROUGH A SLOW PROCESS. BUT I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. AND WE'VE OFTEN HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE TAKEN US UP ON THAT IN THE PAST. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS BUDGET. THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET FAIRLY THOROUGHLY AND I THINK IT WAS

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SO THE CAPITAL BUDGET THE ORDINANCE YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS CHANGED LAST YEAR WHERE IT BROKE EVERYTHING DOWN INTO THE LINE ITEMS WHICH YOU HAVE THE DETAIL BEHIND IT.

THE DETAIL IS WHAT'S COMING FROM OUR CLEAR GOV SYSTEM. SO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PART OF IT ARE REALLY JUST SHORT DESCRIPTIONS WITH THE WITH THE TOTAL OF THE PROJECT. AND THEN ONCE YOU GET, YOU KNOW, SO FAR IN, YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING THAT SAYS 2025 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET CAPITAL A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN FOR THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND PROJECTS. SO THAT'S THE CAPITAL BUDGET. WHAT I'LL HIGHLIGHT OUT OF THERE IS THAT WE DO HAVE OVER $3 MILLION IN STREET PAVING COMBINED. THAT'S COMBINED WITH TWO PROJECTS, MAINLY COMBINED. THE 1.5 MILLION FOR REGULAR RESURFACING AND ANOTHER. IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN GRANT AND GENERAL FUND, BUT MOSTLY BEING FUNDED BY GENERAL FUND RIGHT NOW. FOR WEST WEST FIFTH STREET, IT'S A $1.9 MILLION PROJECT. I THINK AND YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 1.9. BUT WE HAVE ABOUT 1.5 COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR THAT. SO THAT'S 3 MILLION THERE. THE REST OF IT IS QUITE FRANKLY, IT TAKES A PRETTY STEEP DROP IN TERMS OF THE COST OF PROJECTS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THOSE TWO PRETTY BIG ONES AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO REPAIRS THINGS OF THAT NATURE. LIKE TERRY SAID, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO KIND OF FLIP THROUGH THAT, GET A FEEL FOR WHAT'S ON THERE, AND THEN LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO EMAIL ME OR MEET WITH ME, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THESE IN DETAIL. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THEN I CAN PASS THOSE ON TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IF NECESSARY.

THE NEXT ORDINANCE DEALS WITH THE ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET, SO THE OPERATING BUDGET IS ONE THAT EXISTS AS PER THE CHARTER. AND SO THE CHARTER ASKS FOR BASICALLY A LINE ITEM DETAIL THAT SHOWS THE LAST TWO YEARS, ALONG WITH THIS, THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, I HAD PROJECTED COLUMN.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE FY 25 OPERATING BUDGET IN PROGRESS. AND THEN I PUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AS CURRENTLY APPROVED AND THE CURRENT BUDGET. AND THEN WHAT I DID IS I AND PERCENT CHANGED ITEMS IN THE LOWER 10% CHANGED ITEMS. TOP 10% IS GREEN. LOWER 10% IS RED. SO YOU CAN SEE THE LARGER CHANGES THROUGH THERE. THERE REALLY WASN'T SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE BUDGET. EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE ITEMS. AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE NOW. WE WENT OVER THESE IN FINANCE COMMITTEE. THE MOST EXCITING ONE WAS OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS. SO I'LL JUST START OFF WITH NOT AS EXCITING BUT DENTAL VISION AND LIFE.

THOSE ALL STAYED FLAT, WHICH IS GOOD. BUT WHAT IS AMAZING IS THAT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS DECREASED BY 10% THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A VERY LARGE RESERVE BALANCE WITH OUR HEALTH CONSORTIUM, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WANT, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY KEEP EITHER YOUR INCREASES AT A MINIMUM OR HAVING A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE WE'VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT EVERYONE TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT. SO THAT WAS WORKED INTO THE BUDGET. IT WAS ABOUT AND THEN KEEP IN MIND OBVIOUSLY THIS ISN'T ALL GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WE HAVE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. AND SO FORTH, BUT THAT WAS ABOUT $600,000 DECREASE IN EXPENDITURES ACROSS ALL FUNDS. SO OBVIOUSLY A VERY MEANINGFUL AMOUNT. HR IS WORKING THROUGH THE OPEN ENROLLMENT PROCESS. SO EMPLOYEES WILL SEE THOSE CHANGES HERE SHORTLY. I'M SURE IT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED TO A LOT OF EMPLOYEES ALREADY. BUT REGARDLESS, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE OPEN ENROLLMENT PROCESS, WE'LL LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS PRIMARILY DUE TO TWO FACTORS.

ONE, COUNCIL AGREED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO PAY MONEY TOWARDS THE FUND BALANCE TO GET THAT BUILT UP. BACK WHEN WE WERE KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THAT AND WE DIDN'T PASS THAT ON TO THE EMPLOYEES. WE JUST TOOK THAT OUT OF GENERAL FUND AND OR ENTERPRISE FUNDS PROPORTIONALLY.

AND THEN THE LET ME TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, EVERY ONE OF US, AS DEPARTMENT HEADS,

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ON TOP OF THAT, THEY GET REDUCED HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS, WHICH AGAIN, WE ABSORB THOSE AS WELL.

SO BUT THAT'S 600,000. THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY HARD FAST NUMBER. I WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE IS PAYING IN INSURANCE TODAY AND SAID, OKAY, IF THEY HAD A 10% REDUCTION, WHAT WOULD IT BE? AND THAT'S THE NUMBER. NOW, OBVIOUSLY AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR, PEOPLE WILL COME ON OUR PLAN, PEOPLE WILL COME OFF OUR PLAN. THAT NUMBER WILL FLUCTUATE EVER SO SLIGHTLY. BUT REGARDLESS, EXCITING NEWS. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM IS WE'RE PRESENTING A BUDGET WITH A 4% COLA VERSUS OUR NORMAL 3% THAT WE AND I SAY NORMAL WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON EMPLOYEE RETENTION AND NOT EMPLOYEE ADDITIONS. SO YOU WILL SEE IN THIS BUDGET, OUTSIDE OF SOME SHARED POSITIONS, WE ARE NOT ADDING ANY FULLY FUNDED GENERAL FUND POSITIONS. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ADDING POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING EITHER SHARED THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING PAID OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, BUT WE CAN ATTRIBUTE THOSE TO REVENUES THAT ARE COMING INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE HAS EMPLOYEES THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO ADD TO THEIR DEPARTMENT. WE'RE A GROWING CITY. WE HAVE MORE NEEDS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS EVERY DAY. BUT THAT DOES INEVITABLY PUT MORE WORK ON OUR CURRENT STAFF. SO THIS IS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THAT. IT'S ALSO AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF AND THANKFULLY WE WERE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH OUR CONTEMPORARIES.

BUT THERE WERE SOME AREAS WHERE WE WERE LACKING. SO THIS HELPS BRIDGE THAT GAP AS WELL, BECAUSE IN TALKING TO THOSE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF THEM ARE DOING 3%. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE CATCH UP A LITTLE BIT. AND I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, JUST COST INCREASES, COST OF LIVING AND VARIOUS THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT ALSO IMPACT OUR DECISION HERE. SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE TWO BIGGEST ITEMS THAT IMPACTED THE OPERATING BUDGET. AND THEY REALLY WHEN YOU DO THE MATH, THEY OFFSET EACH OTHER. SO THERE'S REALLY LIKE A NOT A THERE'S NOT A NET LOSS IF YOU WILL, ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE TO FUND THE EXTRA 1% ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY CHARGE. THEN FINALLY, YOU KNOW, IN OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, OUR ENTERPRISE YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH AN IN AND OUT FUND FOR REPUBLIC AND THAT SERVICE. SO WE'RE STILL FINDING WAYS TO PAY FOR DIFFERENT THINGS OUT OF THEIR CAPITAL PURCHASES, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE STILL DO OUR OWN WORK WHEN IT COMES TO YARD WASTE AND SO FORTH. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT TO HELP BUILD THAT FUND BALANCE. BUT STORMWATER, THANKFULLY, IS SEEING BALANCES GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN DO MORE SIGNIFICANT STORMWATER PROJECTS. YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE CAPITAL FUND. AND THEN BUT WATER AND SEWER ARE DOING WELL. BUT YOU WILL ALSO SEE IN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING FUNDED BY THE FUND BALANCES. WE ARE NOT GOING OUT AND ISSUING DEBT FOR THESE THINGS. AND I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW THAT IS NOT NORMAL WHEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR HOW MANY PUMP STATIONS THAT WE BUILT. JEREMY, IN THE LAST THREE, THREE PUMP STATIONS, WE'VE BUILT AND NO DEBT OF DOLLARS AND INTEREST THAT'S BEEN SAVED BY BEING ABLE TO BUILD THOSE FROM CASH, AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING THOSE OUT FOR DEBT SERVICE. SO WE'VE REALLY LIMITED OUR DEBT SERVICE FOR BOTH THE WATER AND SEWER FUNDS, PRIMARILY TO THE PLANTS THEMSELVES, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE WATER RECLAMATION PLANT. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN YOUR YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN YOUR DEBT SERVICE TAB, WHICH I'VE ADDED A LOT MORE DETAIL THIS YEAR. I FELT THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO IT TELLS YOU OBVIOUSLY WHEN THE DEBT WOULD MATURE, WHAT THE ORIGINAL VALUE WAS, WHAT'S WHAT'S OUTSTANDING ON IT, SOME DESCRIPTION ABOUT IT, AND THEN FINALLY WHAT THE 2025 PRINCIPAL INTEREST PAYMENTS WILL BE, ALONG WITH THE INTEREST RATE ON THAT PARTICULAR DEBT. WE'LL ACTUALLY KIND OF TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER WITH ANOTHER ISSUANCE. WE DO AN ANNUAL OPERATION APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.

BUT THE INCORPORATION ORDINANCE, EVEN THOUGH YOU LOOK AT THE OPERATING BUDGET AND YOU'RE

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AGAIN, PLEASE COME SEE ME IN MY OFFICE. CALL ME HE'S OUT OF TOWN. BUT YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. AND JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT YOUR QUESTIONS ARE. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DID, I SAID. OKAY. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE QUESTIONS. IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. ONCE YOU GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS. YEAH. BUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVING DONE BUDGET FOR 1415 YEARS THAT I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD THIS IS A DREAM BUDGET. YEAH.

BUT IT'S ONE OF THE BEST BUDGETS I THINK THAT WE REALLY THAT THAT WE CAN SAY IT IS FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. YEAH. IT IS TO THE POINT WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALMOST TAKING A PAUSE. YEAH.

BECAUSE IN THE PAST NOW, FOR INSTANCE, THE AND THE FAIRGROUNDS. THERE WAS A $4.5 MILLION. YEAH. SO WE TOOK A BIG CHUNK AND WE'VE DONE ALL THAT THIS YEAR. YEAH. WE HAVE A 1.9 FOR FIFTH STREET. YEAH. WHICH THAT'S THE SECTION BETWEEN PIZZA HUT AND DAVE'S PHARMACY.

YEAH. THAT'S ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED UPON. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE HERE ASKING IF WE COULD DO IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO THE AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURE THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR REALLY PUTS US IN A GOOD POSITION. YEAH. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US. YEAH. TO CONTINUE TO DO DEBT REDUCTION.

YEAH. ON THE SHORT TERM DEBT BONDS AS WELL AS TO MORTGAGES THAT WE HAVE. BUT THAT'S A STANDARD AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON. $3 MILLION IN PAVING FOR ME IS A DREAM. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU SEE HERE WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 3 MILLION. YEAH. THAT IS IN MY OPINION, PHENOMENAL. THE OTHER THING I REALLY THINK AND THAT'S WHAT I REALLY WANT TO LEAD ON TO. YEAH. IS THE COMMITMENT THAT ADMINISTRATION HAD AND WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH US. AND THAT IS THE HEALTH INSURANCE. YEAH. BECAUSE THIS STARTED 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO. YEAH. WHEN RYAN CAME AND SAID, IF WE CAN DO SELF-INSURED. YEAH. WE, WE SEE THAT WE CAN DO THIS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, NOT ONLY IS SELF-INSURED AND GETTING THAT MINIMUM THAT WE CAN HANDLE, THE FIRST CATASTROPHE. YEAH. BUT THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN 80% OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE PART OF THE THAT ARE PART OF THE WELLNESS PROGRAM.

YEAH. AND PUTTING ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. YEAH. AND THEN IN, IN WHEN WE HAD THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IN UP UNTIL THE MORNING, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A $500,000 INCREASE. THEN THE THEY SAID, HEY, YOU GUYS DID SO WELL, AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT REALLY, TO ME, MAKES IT EXCITING. YOU KNOW, YOU START WITH THE VISION. YOU THINK THAT IT CAN WORK. AND THEN TO SEE ALL OF THAT COME TO FRUITION THAT THAT IN ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT OF HOW WE RUN THE CITY. YEAH. AND WE'VE DONE IT ALL THE TIME WITH THE CONSERVATIVE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T, THAT WE DON'T HAVE STRESS POINTS WHERE EVEN TODAY, WHEN WE BEFORE WE CAME HERE, WE LOOKED AT THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE KNOW THAT. THANKS, JEREMY. BY THE WAY, FOR THE

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SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. AND THAT'S I WANT TO WORK WITH TOGETHER WITH YOU. I WOULD ANTICIPATE SOME MEETINGS WITH SEVERAL OF YOU. SO YOU'RE VERY MUCH WELCOME. I MAYBE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION. OR MAYBE A QUESTION. SORRY. YOU KNOW, WE AS COUNCIL HAD PUT INTO STAFF SOME REQUESTS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD IN OUR PARTICULAR WARD OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT CITYWIDE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE 2025 BUDGET, BUT ARE WE ABLE TO GET A LIST OF THOSE ACTION ITEMS? I KNOW, I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A REVIEW. YEAH, I IF THEY IF THEY WERE EITHER INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET OR YOU'VE FUTURE BUDGETS, BUT THAT'S DIALOG. WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE. ONCE YOU SEE OR WHY IT MAY BE DELAYED FOR A YEAR, OR WHATEVER THE CASE OR MAYBE WHY IT'S JUST NOT IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YEAH, 100%, YEAH. SO WHEN WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT DOCUMENT, WHICH WE REFERENCED THAT DOCUMENT IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, THAT THERE WAS BASICALLY A DOCUMENT WITH THE RESPONSES THAT STATED WHAT TERRY SAID. AGAIN, WE CAN WORK THROUGH THOSE DETAILS THROUGH THE PROCESS. GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE A MONTH OR MAYBE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE EMAIL. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM TO SHARE IT. I CAN SEND IT. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. JUST SEND IT TO ALL OF US THEN. PLEASE. THERE'S. YEAH, I MEAN, OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU TO STAFF TO PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER. AND I THINK OUR RESIDENTS SHOULD KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE. AND I THINK OUR SUCCESS ON THIS BUDGET SHOWS THAT WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE. THERE'S JUST OBVIOUSLY SOME CONCERN, CONCERNS I HAVE.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU GUYS AND DISCUSSING IT. SOUNDS GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024. ORDINANCE BE FIRST READING TITLE ONLY TO ADOPT AN ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET

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NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. YEAH, I JUST WANT MAYBE QUESTION OR REQUEST. MR. LUTZ HAD INDICATED, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO PURSUE THE 4% FOR THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT

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WELL, I'M JUST SAYING WE CAN GIVE YOU ALL OF WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE AIR, TRUST ME, THEY'VE GOT IT BETWEEN WHAT MORPC GIVES THEM AND THEN CALLS THAT THEY MAKE, WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

WE'LL JUST SHARE IT ALL. IT'S PERFECT. HEY, CHARLES CAN SEND THAT OUT IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO.

OKAY, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. THANK YOU. IF HE'S BRINGING THAT UP, IF I READ IT, IF SO IT'S $50 A MEETING, BUT THEN AFTER TAXES, IT'S 40 SOME DOLLARS, RIGHT? THAT IS THAT IS WHAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE. YES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST HAVE LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE PAYING THEIR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. OKAY YEP. OKAY. THIS WILL BE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. THIS BE BACK FOR SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 12TH,

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AND AT THIS POINT, I WOULD SAY HIGHLY LIKELY. WE PROBABLY WON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND JUST LET THIS CALL DAY PASS AND WE'LL SEE IT HAPPENS. TO ANYBODY. GO FOR IT. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 33% PAY OFF 2047. BUT THIS IS THE ONE TIME NOT NOT THE ONE TIME.

THEY GENERALLY COME ABOUT EVERY FIVE. YEAH. ONE TIME A TIME THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF REFINANCE THAT DEBT AND HAVE WE DONE AN ANALYSIS. BECAUSE SOMETIMES I LIKE TO COMPARE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE MIGHT TAKE A HIT ON AN INTEREST RATE, BUT ARE WE FREE UP SOME CASH FLOW LONGER TERM SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT CASH AND MAKE IT PUT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS AND GET A BETTER RATE OF RETURN? AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OF THE THINGS LET'S LET'S LOOK AT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE BECAUSE YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT'S 3%. AND YOU KNOW THE GENERAL PERSON'S GOING TO SAY, WELL 3%. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN INTEREST RATE FOR LESS THAN 3%. BUT IF YOU EXTEND THE DEBT FOR TEN YEARS, YOU LOWER YOUR, YOU KNOW, PREMIUM MONTHLY PREMIUM, YOU'RE FREEING UP CASH FLOW AND YOU'RE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS GET A LARGER RETURN. AND THEN YOU CAN EITHER PAY THAT DEBT OFF OR MAKE YOU KNOW, OR MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS LIKE YOU HAD INDICATED IN THOSE IN THOSE ENTERPRISE ZONES, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO SEEK A LEVY OR SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AND WHAT WHAT THAT FINANCIAL VIEW WOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE I'M MORE OF A CASSIUS KING KIND OF GUY. AND I IF WE CAN MAYBE FREE UP BENEFICIAL TO OUR LONG TERM FUTURE. SO I WOULD JUST ASK TO. OH YEAH. MAYBE PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, SHARE THEM WITH US TO EVALUATE. I'D APPRECIATE IT. YEAH I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SECOND OR THIRD READING, BUT EITHER WAY WE WOULD. ANDY BEAUX-ARTS ALREADY SCHEDULED TO COME DOWN AND THAT'S WHAT HE DOES. HE WALKS US THROUGH THESE. HE HAS ALL THE TABLES AND INFORMATION AND SO FORTH. SO HE'LL HE'LL BE DOWN. LIKE I SAID, I JUST DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S SECOND OR THIRD READING TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH THIS. OKAY, COOL. BUT AGAIN, NOT SURPRISINGLY, WE, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME THINGS COULD HAPPEN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT COULD DRASTICALLY CHANGE THE INTEREST RATE MARKETS AS WELL. SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE READINGS. THIS ISN'T AN EMERGENCY. IT'S GOING TO BE 30 DAYS BEFORE WE CAN SELL THE DEBT. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS WOULD BE LIKE A JANUARY TIME FRAME. SO I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS STILL GOING TO BE WE CAN GUESS MAYBE WHAT THE INTEREST RATES WILL BE IN JANUARY. BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE ACCORDING TO ANDY RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EVERYONE'S TRYING TO GET DEBT SOLD BEFORE THE ELECTION, SO IT'LL BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE. WILL THE MARKETS BE HUNGRY IN JANUARY? AND THAT'S WHERE MAYBE WE ARE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR A REALLY NICE, NICE RATE, A NICE RETURN TO YOUR POINT, EVEN IF IT DOES EXTEND THE END DATE OF THE DEBT. SO BUT YEAH, WE'LL HAVE ALL THOSE NUMBERS AND AT LEAST BEST GUESSES COME THE NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS. AND JUST ONE CLARIFICATION POINT. IF WE'RE

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE SILO AND LIGHT PROJECT. WE WORKED WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON ADDRESSING SOME OF THEIR KEY CONCERNS. SOME OF THOSE WERE MENTIONED BY JEFF EARLIER TODAY.

I THINK ONE OF THE LARGEST OF THOSE CONCERNS WAS THE ABILITY TO DO CERTAIN USES. THE VEHICULAR USE ONE, AS WELL AS THE HOTEL ORIENTED ONE IN UNDEFINED LOCATIONS ON THE SITE PLAN IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN, WE AGREED TO MOVE THOSE USES TO A CONDITIONAL USE STATUS SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS. IF ONE OF THOSE USES WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE OR PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE AT A LATER DATE.

THE OTHER MAIN ITEM THAT WAS ADDRESSED WAS THE SIZE OF THE PARKING SPACES. WE WENT BACK, WE WORKED WITH. OH, AND WE WORKED WITH OUR ENGINEERS. OHM ON THAT ONE. WE DID INCREASE THE

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AND TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCILMAN HUNTER'S COMMENT, WAS THOSE PARKING SPOTS NARROWED MAYBE TO FIT MORE CARS IN THAT PARKING LOT TO HELP THE BURDEN OF THE SILOS OF WHATEVER IS POTENTIAL THERE? YES. SO THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH STAFF, ONE OF THE GOALS HAS BEEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE PARKING AVAILABLE ON THE SITE DURING COMMUNITY EVENTS AND OTHER CITY ACTIVITIES. SO WE LOOKED AT PUSHING DOWN THOSE SITES TO AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL. BUT AS TIGHT AS WE COULD IN ORDER TO ENHANCE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS AVAILABLE ON THE SITE, BOTH FOR OUR TENANTS, THE RESIDENTS LIVING THERE, CUSTOMERS COMING IN, BUT ALSO FOR INDIVIDUALS COMING TO EXPERIENCE COMMUNITY A SMALLER NUMBER, BUT AGAIN, HEARING THE CONCERNS RAISED, WE DID INCREASE THAT. WE STILL BELIEVE THERE IS PLENTY OF PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THE USES AND TO STILL ALLOW FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS TO USE. THOSE PARKING LOTS. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE WIDTH OF THE PARKING LOT? THE WIDTH OF THE PARKING SPACE. NOW IT WILL BE 8.5FT. OKAY. STILL CITY CODE. YEAH. CITY? YEAH. CITY CODE.

STATES. NINE FEET WIDE BY 20 LONG. AND THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING 8.5 BY 18. I WAS HOPING YOU WERE GOING TO NINE AND A HALF, BECAUSE I LITERALLY THE MINIMUM SIZE WAS SET, LIKE 40 YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING. MAYBE LONGER. AND LOOK AT A AGO VERSUS TODAY. IT'S MORE THAN SIX INCHES WIDER, RIGHT? I MEAN, LOOK AT THE HONDA ACCORD FROM 40 YEARS AGO VERSUS NOW. AGAIN, THEIR VEHICLES HAVE GOTTEN WIDER AND THEY'VE GOTTEN WIDER BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN WIDER. PEOPLE ARE BIGGER. SO YOU'RE PUTTING A BIGGER VEHICLE IN THE SAME SIZE SPACE. AND THE PERSON WHO HAS TO GET IN BETWEEN THERE IS BIGGER. I MEAN, IT'S JUST WE REALLY NEED TO PROBABLY LOOK AT GOING BEYOND NINE FEET. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER. NO. AND I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN. WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT WE OWN AND OPERATE MANY LOCATIONS. WE OFTENTIMES TRY TO PUSH THAT NUMBER DOWN AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE A PICTURE OF OUR GARAGE AND SHOW YOU WHAT I DO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. ANYBODY ELSE? OH. GO AHEAD. ONE. ONE CONCERN I DID HAVE IN HERE. JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USES ALLOWED ON THE SITE IS RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH. COULD YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT? JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE? YEAH.

CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR A RESTAURANT THAT WOULD OPERATE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT WHEN LAYING OUT YOUR ZONING, YOU DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR OPTIONS AVAILABLE. SINCE TIMES CAN CHANGE, OPPORTUNITIES CAN CHANGE. HOWEVER, UNDERSTANDING THAT DRIVE THRUS CREATE THEIR OWN DESIGN ISSUES WITH MOST SITES AND CAN REQUIRE SOME

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TO SOME DEGREE, YES. WHAT SPECIFICS ON THAT? I CAN'T GIVE YOU? IS THERE A REASON YOU WANTED 4 OR 5 FLOORS FOR THE HOTEL SPECIFICALLY, OR DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE AREA THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND THEN BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT SIZE WITH MULTIPLE USES AT THAT LOCATION WHILE ACCOMMODATING HOW MANY UNITS YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT ON THAT PARCEL AND STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME DECENT PARKING CONDITIONS. AGAIN, THOUGH, WE DID MOVE IT TO A CONDITIONAL USE, SO WE UNDERSTAND WE'D HAVE THE USE. AND THEN ONE, ONE LAST THING. AND IT WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING FOR ME TO HEAR, BUT WITH THE TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM AND, YOU KNOW, IN HERE YOU WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THAT. I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THAT. I KNOW OVER IN MILL VALLEY WHERE WHERE I REPRESENT AND LIVE. THERE'S MISTER BARRACKS IN HERE AND WE HAVE THE APARTMENTS GOING IN RIGHT THERE ALONG 33 AND 31. AND THERE WAS A LARGE CLEARING OF TREES. AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS SPECIFICALLY AROUND THAT AREA HAD CONCERNS WITH, YOU KNOW, SEEING MORE LIGHT, WHATEVER IT IS, SEEING TRAFFIC AND JUST LOSING THE TREES AND VEGETATION THAT WAS IN THAT AREA. I KNOW BACK THROUGH HERE, THE PORTION THAT'S MOSTLY WOODED DOESN'T HAVE RESIDENTS RIGHT AROUND IT. BUT BUT I THINK THE TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM IS AN IMPORTANT THING FOR OUR CITY.

AS IT CONTINUES TO GROW AND MORE DEVELOPMENTS COME IN, IT'S USED TO MAYBE NOT PLACE MORE TREES ON THAT SPECIFIC SITE, BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLANT TREES THROUGHOUT TOWN AS THINGS CHANGE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CHANGES WITH ON THIS SITE OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE PLAN. I KNOW YOU WANTED TO SPEND MORE OF THAT MONEY ON THE SITE. I WOULD BE FINE IF YOU SPENT MORE MONEY ON THE SITE AND ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THE TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

IT'S. I FEEL IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING THAT WE HAVE. AND GOING THROUGH DOING THE SURVEY. ADDITIONALLY, IT IS GREAT, BUT IT'S ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED IN THIS IS INCLUSION OF THE TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I STILL CAN, I ASSUME, BOB, THAT THE PARKING DISCUSSIONS WERE FOR THE WHOLE AREA, OR WERE THEY ESPECIALLY GEARED AND THEN THE SPACE OCCURS WHERE THERE IS GOING TO BE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACE. OR DID IT ALSO IS THE PARKING DISCUSSIONS WERE THOSE SIMILAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BEYOND THE BORDER? AND ELECTRIC BUILDINGS? YEAH, IT WAS FOR THE WHOLE SITE WAS FOR THE WHOLE SITE. OKAY. SO THE WHOLE SITE WILL BE THAT EIGHT AND A HALF BY NINE. CORRECT. YEAH. AND 919. I'M SORRY. YEAH. YEAH. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO I HAVE 11 THAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT HERE. SO THE VEHICLE WASH FACILITY I KNOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT ONE IN, BUT WHEN THE ZONING CODE WAS UPDATED IN 2020, THERE WAS A THERE WAS KIND OF THIS WORKING IN THE MIDDLE OF TRYING TO MOVE MARYSVILLE FORWARD, BUT ALSO ENSURING IN MY OPINION, WAS WATERED DOWN AND WHICH HAS LED TO MAYBE HAVING A CAR WASH OR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING IN THE UPTOWN GAS STATIONS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE AND AS YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE WANTING MORE AND MORE WALKABLE AND YOU HEAR COUNCIL, WE WANT ZERO SETBACKS. WE WANT MORE OF AN ACTIVE STREETSCAPE. YOU KNOW, WE WANT MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ATMOSPHERE IN OUR UPTOWN. THOSE USES ARE NOT REALLY PERMITTED TO BE IN THE UPTOWN ANYMORE. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A CODE TO CHANGE TO ENSURE THAT THESE USES ARE NOT PERMITTED, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT NOT ALLOWING THAT TO COME

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AND THEY YOU CAN LOOK OVER IT, YOU KNOW. ALSO SO WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING, PARKING SPACES AND SO ON. ALSO, I KNOW THAT WHEN WATCHING PLANNING COMMISSION AND I KNOW THE PACKETS WE'VE SHARED ON NORTH MAIN STREET, YOU HAVE DIAGONAL PARKING AS YOU'RE COMING IN. THERE WAS DISCUSSION MAYBE ABOUT DOING ON STREET PARKING ON THERE. YOU KNOW WHERE. AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE LIKE EVERYBODY SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH IT. SO ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE, RIGHT ON BRIDGE STREET CORRIDOR, YOU HAVE RIVERSIDE DRIVE, WHICH IS A MAIN ARTERY JUST LIKE NORTH MAIN WOULD BE HERE IN TOWN. AND YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF DIAGONAL PARKING, THERE'S BUMP. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE BUMP ENDS WHERE YOU HAVE THE PARALLEL PARKING AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CURB CUTS THAT ARE STICKING OUT TO GUIDE THE TRAFFIC OFF OF RIVERSIDE AND PROTECTING THE PEDESTRIAN. SO IF THAT'S KIND OF MORE OF MAYBE IN THERE OR JUST HAVING ANOTHER WAY OTHER THAN JUST BACKING OUT CARS ONTO NORTH MAIN STREET OR BRINGING THEM IN. SO ANY WAY THAT WE COULD PUT, YOU KNOW, PARALLEL PARKING IN. YEP. GO AHEAD. AND I APPRECIATE THAT POINT. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD CALL OUT AND THAT WE PLAN ON LOOKING AT IS THAT PARKING LAYOUT COMING OFF OF MAIN STREET AS WELL AS ALONG MAIN STREET.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO YOU'RE USING THE TERM WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET, RIGHT? SO SOME OF THESE ARE YOUR PREFERENCES, BUT PERHAPS THERE IS MAYBE CONCERN RIGHT AMONGST PEOPLE THAT THEY DO HAVE CERTAIN PREFERENCES. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'VE WE'VE VOTED ON. YES. NO, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON. WE'VE CORRELATED ON. I DON'T WANT MACK MACK TO THINK WE'RE VIOLATING SUNSHINE LAWS OVER HERE. SO BUT WELL SOME AND SO FOR JUST PUBLIC RECORD YOU KNOW COMING THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION SOME YOU KNOW I HEARD THE CONCERNS OF PLANNING COMMISSION I ACTUALLY DO WATCH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS. I ALSO SAY THAT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES GOES ALONG WITH WHAT CONCERNS FORWARD. SO I'M JUST ON PUBLIC RECORD. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THESE ARE ALL ISSUES THAT I THINK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, TO SOME DEGREE, HAS KIND OF SOME ISSUES, ISSUES ABOUT.

AND I'LL ALLOW CITY STAFF TO YOU KNOW, TO WORK TO WORK WITH THIS. SO THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF US ON COUNCIL WELL I WOULD SAY SOME MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WANTED MORE OF ZERO SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, WITH BUILDINGS UP TO THE CURB. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SITE PLAN AND WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT WE I THINK THAT THERE'S A NEED TO HIDE THAT PARKING LOT AS MUCH AS WE CAN FROM NORTH MAIN STREET, FROM FROM NORTH MAIN STREET. SO ADDING MORE OF AN ACTIVE STREETSCAPE. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY MOVING THOSE FRONT PARKING STALLS RIGHT IN THE VERY FRONT UP AGAINST THE SIDEWALK AND THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. ALSO THE PARKING LOT ISLANDS. YOU KNOW, IT GOES WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN WOLFE IS SAYING. WOLFE HAS SAID THAT INSTEAD OF MAYBE DOING INDIVIDUAL TREE ISLANDS, THAT WE KNOW YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT PROBABLY WON'T GROW TO MATURITY. HAVING WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, INTO THE PARKING LOT, YOU HAVE ONE LONG BED. AND THEN WITH CURB CUTS, ALLOW WATER TO FILTER DOWN IN INTO THE TREES AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT, THERE MIGHT NOT BE TREES, BUT THEN IN FRONT OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE PARKING LOT, THERE IS TREES. AGAIN, WITH THE LONG ISLAND BED WITH THE SAME KIND OF CURB CUT TO ALLOW WATER TO FILTER IN. THIS WOULD ADD ESTHETICS TO THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY. LIVING IN LIVING IN YOUR UNITS. BECAUSE INSTEAD OF LOOK O THEM OVERLOOKING A PARKING LOT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, THERE'LL BE OVERLOOKING TREES AND SHIELDING THE BUILDINGS FROM ALL THE PARKING. PLUS FROM THE STREET VIEW. IT WILL HELP HIDE THE PARKING LOT. AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW, WE COULD, BECAUSE THE TREES WILL BE ABLE TO GROW TO MORE MATURITY RATE THAN THEY WOULD IF THEY WERE JUST PUT IN A REGULAR NINE FOOT ISLAND BED.

LIKE FOR AN EXAMPLE, FOR ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU LOOK AT KROGER. THOSE TREES HAVE BEEN REPLACED TWICE NOW. SADLY, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO GROW TO MATURITY LEVEL BECAUSE THE ISLAND BEDS ARE WAY TOO SMALL. AND WITH DROUGHT CONDITIONS THE WAY THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A DESERT. SO MAKING THOSE LARGER, MAKING THOSE ISLANDS BETTER, DOING CURB CUTS ALLOWS THE PARK WATER FROM THE PARKING LOT TO FILTER INTO THE TREES, WHICH GIVES THE TREES A THE TREE REPLACEMENT. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. I THINK COUNCIL IN

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ESPECIALLY SINCE I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE COMMERCIAL BEING BUILT. SO WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS TO UTILIZE THAT AREA WHO MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT ANY OTHER WAY. IF THEY'RE NOT USING YOUR FACILITY AS A GYM OR SOMETHING. SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I THINK TO THAT POINT ON, THE CONDITIONAL USE STATUS OF THAT HOTEL AND THE HEIGHTS TIED TO THAT CONDITIONAL USE, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN THAT HEIGHT, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO HAVE IT AS A CONDITIONAL. WE SEE THE AREA AS LIKELY TO DEVELOP SIGNIFICANTLY PAST JUST WHAT WE DO. THE GROWTH YOU SEE IN MARYSVILLE, THE INVESTMENT COMING TO IT. WE THINK THAT FEEL AND THAT KIND OF A PROJECT WOULD BE AND NOT OFFSET AS A NEGATIVE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE FUTURE, WHEN WE WOULD BRING THAT REQUEST FORWARD. THERE'S DISCUSSION ON LIGHTING UP ON THE GREENERY. AND YOU USE THE TERM I THINK, MARKETING PURPOSES. MAYBE INSTEAD OF USING MARKETING PURPOSES WE USE COMMUNITY SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MARKETING CAN BE USED SUCH A GRAY AREA. THE LAST THING I THINK ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO SEE IS AND I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T DO THIS, BUT THE SCARY THING ABOUT MARKETING IS EVERYTHING SELLS. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, IT WOULD BE MARKETING OF THE SILO. SO OF THAT DISTRICT THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING AND THEN COMMUNITY USE NOT AD SPACE. OKAY. OKAY. I'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.

AND ADDRESSED WITHIN THAT LANGUAGE. OKAY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. AND THEN FOR MONUMENT SIGNAGE, I KNOW THERE'S TALKS ABOUT HAVING SIGNAGE IN ALL THE GATEWAYS, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING MAYBE THE SIGNAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT KINDS OF SIGNAGE, WE HAVE LIKE A PANEL SIGN OR A WALL SIGN TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY THAN NECESSARILY LIKE AN AUTOMOBILE FRIENDLY. SO THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF LIKE MAYBE A PROJECTION SIGN OR SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO ENTER INTO YOUR FACILITY. I THINK SAME AS LANDSCAPING. IT'S OUR INTENT TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF AND DESIGN REVIEW IN A MONUMENT. SIGNS ALONG THE WAY. BECAUSE OF THE VARIOUS USES THAT ARE GOING IN AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE, I DO THINK TWO MONUMENT ORIENTED SIGNS WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE IT THAT PROPER PRESENCE, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GOAL IS FOR IT TO BE A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR AND TO BE DONE IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER THAT ENHANCES THE ESTHETICS OF THE CORRIDOR AND ISN'T JUST YOUR STANDARD SIGN DROPPED INTO THE LANDSCAPING THAT DETRACTS FROM THE OVERALL FEEL OF THE CENTER. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST TWO ARE THE MISCELLANEOUS MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS TALKS ABOUT BURYING POWER LINES

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THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. REAL QUICK, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, AS FAR AS WORKING WITH CITY STAFF JUST TO HELP CLARIFICATION, IS EVERYONE ON COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT COUNCILMAN? THERE WAS THERE WAS A BUNCH OF ACTION ACTION ITEMS AND THIS IS AN APPROVED PUD. AND I THINK COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS IF WE MAKE CHANGES TO THE PUD, IT REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT WHICH REQUIRES A VOTE BY CITY COUNCIL. SO BEFORE WE START WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, WE JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT CHANGES ARE GOING TO GET APPROVED BY COUNCIL. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE THE THINGS, BUT I SUPERMAJORITY TAKES SIX TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. SO FOR EVERY PROPOSED CHANGE, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALLY WE WOULD NEED SIX VOTES. AND THERE MAY BE SOME OF THEM THAT WE MAY GET SIX VOTES ON, AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT NEED SOME DETAIL AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, I THINK ARE PROBABLY DESIGN REVIEW ISSUES THAT SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH ARE WHICH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S A LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED. WE I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES ARE DESIGN REVIEW ISSUES AND WHICH ONES ARE ONES THAT ARE PUD ZONING ISSUES. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK AT AND COME BACK. YEAH, I'D AGREE. A WORD IN WHICH ARE CRITICAL TO MODIFY WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT TEXT PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL. YEAH, I WOULD SAY LIKE THE CONDITIONAL USES WHAT'S PERMITTED AND WHAT'S NOT. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO CLARIFY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT

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AND I HAVE MISSED MY PLACE WHERE WE ARE. ORDINANCE. ORDINANCE G. THANK YOU. SAY THAT FIRST READING. OKAY. WELL. HOLD ON. ORDINANCE F, THIS WILL BE BACK FOR SECOND READING. PUBLIC

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DISTRICT. SECTION 1123 GENERALLY APPLICABLE DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND THE APPENDIX. GLOSSARY OF TERMS TO ALLOW FOR THE USE OF CULTIVATION AND OR PROCESSING OF MARIJUANA. ADMINISTRATION.

AGAIN, I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO ASHLEY FOR SOME EXPLANATION.

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WE DETERMINED HOW IT FITS WITH MARYSVILLE AND USE THAT AS KIND OF A BASIS. SO THAT INCLUDES DESCRIPTION ON DISTANCE FROM OTHER USES. HOW DO WE ADDRESS LIGHTING. AND THEN AS WELL WE'VE ADDED IN GLOSSARY OF TERMS FOR SOME OF THESE ITEMS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. WELL IS IT CITIZENS FIRST? NO NO NO NO.

IT'S FIRST STREET. IS FIRST READING. YEAH. SO IT'S COUNCIL ONLY. OKAY. COUNCIL. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE LIGHTING ON A GROWING OPERATION. THEY BUILD VERTICALLY, THEY BUILD TALL LIGHT THEM UP, YOU KNOW. GET THE PLANTS GROWING. SO IS THERE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT LIGHT SPILLING OUT? IS THAT WHAT THE LIGHTING ISSUE IS? YES. SO THAT LIGHTING SECTION GIVES A PARAGRAPH OF INFORMATION. IT SAYS ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING SOURCES SHALL BE CONCEALED. SO 100% CUT OFF TO MINIMIZE AMOUNT OF LIGHT POLLUTION. SO THAT DETAILS IT OUT A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYBODY ELSE? YES. I HAVE A QUESTION. BETWEEN NOW AND TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO. YEAH. YOU WORKED WITH THE WHOLE CITY EVERY TIME. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MANUFACTURING ONE, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. YEAH. OVER THE TIME WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES. SO WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON? SURE. ABSOLUTELY A MAP. YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU COULD DO A TO OUR AREA'S FAIRLY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL. THAT MAY BE. AND THEN WITH THE LIGHT ISSUE THAT MAY BE SOME CONDENSATION POINTS. OKAY. SO IF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE THEN WE CAN WORK ON THAT ONE. YEAH WE CAN BRING THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

WE CAN EVEN SEND IT OUT AHEAD OF TIME. IF YOU'D LIKE. OKAY. YEAH. JUST A TOUCH WITH THAT LIGHTING.

SO IT IT STATES IN HERE THAT IT HAS TO FOLLOW OUR 1123 CODE, WHICH IS THE GENERALLY APPLICABLE DISTRICT REGULATIONS. AND THE 1133 WHICH IS THE DESIGN REVIEW. SO LIKE FOR MANUFACTURING WE HAVE IF IT'S A BUDDING RESIDENTIAL, IT CANNOT GO OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY.

THERE'S A LIGHT ILLUMINATION THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED. SO I BELIEVE IT'S ZERO AT THEIR PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. PERFECT. YEAH. SO THEY DO HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR REGULATIONS. THERE TO THAT. THEY WOULD THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE THAT. YEAH. YEAH. AND FOR THE FOR ACE. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ACTUALLY BUILD THE BUILDING.

YEAH. AND SINCE WE ARE BUILDING BUILDINGS 40FT HIGH, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY, IF IT WAS PROFITABLE ENOUGH, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD. IN A CITY SUCH AS MARYSVILLE, I JUST CANNOT SEE PUTTING UP A TWO, THREE, FOUR FIVE ACRE GREENHOUSE. YEAH. IN THE WHOLE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, I HAVE LOOKED AT IT. YEAH. WHERE? WHERE COULD YOU PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN PUT THE LIGHT IN IT? SO I'M REALLY THINKING MORE THAT IF WE ARE LOOKING AT PRODUCTION OF SORTS, THAT IT WOULD BE IN BUILDINGS, WHICH IS BEGINNING TO BE VERY COMMON ON THE WEST COAST AND IN CALIFORNIA

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ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS. COUNCIL. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO PASS LEGISLATION? SECOND. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REMES? YES.

MR. RAUCH. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLF. YES. MR. BURBY. YES. MR. BURGER. YES. SEVEN. YE.

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UNFORTUNATELY, THE APPLICANT WAS TRAVELING TODAY SO HE COULDN'T BE IN ATTENDANCE. BUT AS SOON AS WE RECEIVE THAT, WE'LL WE'LL SEND THEM YOUR WAY. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELS? THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING TITLE ONLY ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024. ORDINANCE J. SECOND

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COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ALEX VULIC. I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, OPUS DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. I'D LIKE TO REQUEST AT THIS TIME THAT WE TABLE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AGREEMENT. DUE TO COMPLICATIONS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. HOW LONG DO YOU NEED? I THINK IT'LL JUST BE A COUPLE OF WEEKS. WE'RE JUST WORKING ON SOME SOME PERMITTING, SOME TIMING ISSUES. SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS NOVEMBER 12TH. IS THAT ENOUGH TIME? I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY BE PREPARED AT THAT POINT. YES. SO YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE A MOTION

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YES. MR. HUNTER? YES. SEVEN. YES. THANK YOU SIR. ORDNANCE M THIRD READING TITLE ONLY TO

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COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE ARE CLEAR IS MY ROLE AS YOUR COUNCILMAN. IS TO UPHOLD THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ALL WHO I SERVE, YOUNG AND OLD AND EVERYONE IN BETWEEN. I'VE. I'VE HEARD THE BENEFITS IN TERMS OF TAX REVENUES. AND I'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OHIO VOTER. CHOSE TO LEGALIZE THIS THIS THE RECREATIONAL USE. IN THE STATE OF OHIO AND I RESPECT I RESPECT THE VOTER FOR SURE. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW AS I CONTINUE TO YOU KNOW IN A LOT OF RESEARCH, AND I'VE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT MY, MY, MY POSITION. I'VE LOOKED AT THE, THE PROS AND I'VE LOOKED AT THE CONS AND THE CONS FOR ME DEFINITELY OUTWEIGH ANY OF THE OF THE PROS AND FOR, FOR THIS TOPIC. YOU KNOW, I WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OTHER STUDIES AND, YOU KNOW, COLORADO, CALIFORNIA, KIND OF THE PIONEER STATES IN THE IN THE IMPLICATIONS THAT THAT THAT THEY THAT THOSE STATES HAVE SEEN. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LEARN AND CONTINUE TO LEARN. I THINK THAT MARYSVILLE OR MARYSVILLE, OHIO, THE STATE OF OHIO PASSED THIS LEGISLATION BACK IN NOVEMBER. AND HONESTLY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DATA TO, TO SUPPORT IN FAVOR OR THE OVERALL PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH, AND WELL-BEING. I RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE USE THE PRODUCT FOR MEDICINAL PURPOSES, AND I RESPECT THEM FOR THAT.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, OPIOIDS POSE THEIR OWN CONCERNS AND MEDICINAL MIGHT BE AN AVENUE THAT THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, DOWN, DOWN, DOWNWARD OR DOWNSTREAM. I, I MET WITH THE, THE OHIO POISON CONTROL CENTRAL OHIO POISON CONTROL LAST WEEK. AND I GOT SOME ASTOUNDING DATA FROM FROM THAT ORGANIZATION. AND WHAT STOOD OUT TO ME I'M CONCERNED MORE SO WITH THE YOUTH, THE ADOLESCENTS, THE NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS THAT IT'S THAT IT THAT THAT INCREASING THE ACCESS MAY HAVE ON OUR AT OUR AT THE YOUTH THAT ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE. RIGHT. AND TALKING WITH THE POISON CONTROL FOLKS. YOU KNOW, THEY GAVE ME ABOUT A DECADE'S WORTH OF DATA A DECADE. AND WHAT THEY OUTLINED WAS YOUTH EXPOSURE IN CHILDREN,

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RIGHT. KIDS 12 AND YOUNGER. WHAT AND AN UNCLE TO MULTIPLE NIECES AND NEPHEWS UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE, WAS 75% OF THOSE YOUTH EXPOSURES WERE CHILDREN UNDER FIVE, FIVE AND YOUNGER, AND. WE THINK ABOUT KIND OF THE DIFFERENT FORMS THAT THE PRODUCT COMES IN. IT'S NOT THE MARIJUANA THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THAT WAS TRADITIONALLY SMOKED. IT'S IN VAPOR FORM. BUT REALLY WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT I SEE IS MOST CONCERNING IS IT'S IN GUMMY FOR. AND ANYBODY WITH SMALL CHILDREN KNOWS THAT KIDS LOVE GUMMIES. MY KIDS LOVE GUMMIES, NOT THE MARIJUANA ONES I SAW. I SAW THEM FOR THEY THEY LOOK LIKE GUMMIES. THEY TASTE LIKE GUMMIES. AND IF YOU KNOW, WITH THE INCREASED US, WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE CASE. AND FOR ME, IT IT IT BOILS DOWN TO WE AS LEADERS HAVE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR EVERYONE THAT WE SERVE. AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE YOUTH AND THE COGNITIVE ISSUES THAT EXPOSURE MAY BRING, WHEN I THINK ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF SPECIFICALLY OUR ADOLESCENTS AND I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INCREASED RISK WITH CHILDREN BEING, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCED OR, YOU KNOW, INADVERTENTLY EXPOSED TO THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT. IT WOULD BE I WOULD BE DOING OUR YOUTH A DISSERVICE BY NOT SUPPORTING THIS LEGISLATION. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I STAND. MY DECISION IS VERY IT'S BEEN VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT. I'VE, I'VE DONE THE RESEARCH. WE UNDERSTAND THE PROS. WE UNDERSTAND THE CON.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR EVERYONE THAT WE SERVE, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE A VOICE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. THANK YOU. MISTER. MISTER PRESIDENT, A COUPLE COMMENTS AS WELL. SO I SPOKE A BIT. MY THOUGHTS AT THE LAST MEETING JUST THE FACT THAT THE STATE OF OHIO, MAYBE UNION COUNTY IS AT AROUND 57%. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A DECISION THAT THE STATE MADE ON A MACRO LEVEL. IT'S OUR OUR DUTY NOW TO CONSIDER THIS AT A MICRO LEVEL. WE ARE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY.

AND I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK A MACRO VOTE TRANSLATES TO A MICRO APPLICATION. NO ONE SAID I WANT TO PUT DISPENSARIES IN EVERY CORNER WHERE I LIVE, BUT THEY SAID THEY WANT TO HAVE EXPANDED, REGULATED ACCESS AND THEY WANT TO HAVE BASICALLY THE FREEDOM TO USE IT AS A RECREATIONAL, YOU KNOW, TYPE DRUG. I RECEIVED THIS LETTER FOLLOWING THE COUNT, THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, AND I'LL KEEP THIS ANONYMOUS, BUT IT WAS A RESIDENT IN MY WARD. AS A AS MY COUNCIL MEMBER, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE MY FEEDBACK ON THE DISCUSSION TODAY REGARDING ALLOWING OF MARIJUANA

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COM ABOUT KIND OF POST LEGALIZATION IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK, AND IT DID TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DISPENSARIES DIDN'T NECESSARILY MARKET THE PRODUCT TO YOUTH. I THINK I MENTIONED MAYBE IN THE LAST MEETING THERE WERE CARTOON CHARACTERS ON RAPPERS THAT WERE SOME OF THE PRODUCTS, MAYBE NOT CANNABIS, BUT THAT THE UNION COUNTY DRUG FREE COALITION HAD PRESENTED ON.

BUT THEY FOUND THAT WHILE MAYBE THERE AREN'T SPECIFIC CARTOON CHARACTERS APPLIED TO THE PACKAGING OF THESE TYPES OF DRUGS IN THE RECREATIONAL DISPENSARIES, THEY WERE FINDING A CONCERNING TREND THAT IN FACT, A LOT OF THE PACKAGING KIND OF WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. LIKE WHAT WHAT YOUTH MIGHT BE ATTRACTED TO. SO THEY WERE LIKE WATERMELON FLAVORS AND THINGS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, RESEMBLED, YOU KNOW, YOUR FRUIT SNACKS OR TYPE, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THE ARTICLE WENT ON TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THAT AND THE NEED FOR REGULATING THE PACKAGING, SO ON AND SO FORTH. I ALSO HAVE RECEIVED WRITTEN COMMUNICATION FROM MEMBERS OF MY WARD THAT SAY THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN ON A MEDICAL JOURNEY AND THEY'VE BEEN ON THE NEED TO BE RELIEVED POST HIP SURGERY AND CANNABIS WAS ITS MEDICINAL PROPERTIES, BENEFITED THEIR LIFE GREATLY. AND, YOU KNOW, PLEASE STOP. YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S DON'T THERE SHOULDN'T BE THE STIGMA THAT MAYBE THERE ONCE WAS ABOUT CANNABIS USE. AND I JUST FOR THE RECORD, I MEAN, IF FOR MEDICINAL USE IT TO ME IT MAKES SENSE IN CERTAIN CASES. AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE HARD DRUGS OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN GET AT A PHARMACY HERE IN TOWN THAT DO A LOT OF THINGS TO THE MIND, THAT DO A LOT OF THINGS TO YOUR TO, TO YOUR ORGANS AND WHATNOT. SO I JUST WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT I'M NOT MAKING A DECISION IN A VACUUM. AND NOT CONSIDERING EVERYONE'S VIEWPOINTS. I THINK THAT THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS LETTER ABOUT THE LOSS OF FAMILY MEMBERS AND THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP WHERE THEIR JOURNEY STARTED, KIND OF PEOPLE WOULD USE THE TERM GATEWAY DRUG OR WHATNOT. IT IS REAL. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WAS CLOSE TO 50 OVER 50. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF KIND OF WILLINGNESS AND WANT TO MOVE INTO A NEW TIME, BUT I DON'T AND I DON'T THINK ONE NEGATES THE OTHER. I THINK ALL IN ALL, IT'S A IT'S A DIFFICULT THING. BUT I SEE THIS LEGISLATION TONIGHT AS SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I DO THINK THERE IS MERIT TO CONSIDER. YOU KNOW, FURTHER IN REGARD TO THE MEDICINAL USE AND OR REGULATED ACCESS. SO THAT'S THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE, MR. PRESIDENT? AND BOTH GENTLEMEN HAVE SAID THE STATE VOTER AND THE COUNTY VOTER. AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE, I WOULD VOTE THE SAME WAY YOU'RE GOING TO. BUT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS IT'S 55 THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA. AND IF THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT, THEY WANT ACCESS TO IT AS WELL. IT'S IT, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK BACK AT ALCOHOL, THEY DO THE SAME THING WITH VAPING, WITH TOBACCO, AND YES, WE GO THROUGH A LOT OF EFFORT TO PREVENT CHILDREN FROM GETTING ACCESS TO IT. IN MY OPINION, WHY THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HEARD WHICH ALARM EVERYBODY. IT'S BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS HAVE BECOME MUCH MORE LIBERAL ABOUT MARIJUANA. AND SO THEY. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THOSE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT JUST VOTED AND SAID, WE WANT IT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. MR. REEVES. DO YOU WANT TO JUMP IN? I WOULD LOVE TO. OKAY. GO AHEAD. I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ZACH SAID AND THAT SCOTT SAID AND, AND ALSO J.R. KNOW, THE VOTERS DID APPROVE RECREATIONAL USE. YOU KNOW, I

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COUNCIL. DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL. MR. BORDNER. YES, MR. WOLF. YES. MR. BURBY YES. MR. BURGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REMES YES. MR. RAUCH YES. SEVEN. YES. OKAY. FIGURE IT OUT. ORDINANCE. OH, THIRD READING, TITLE ONLY TO

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ADMINISTRATION. DEFER TO THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU. BARBARIC. I HAVE MULTIPLE COMPANIES.

ROCKFORD DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENT. THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS THAT HAD OCCURRED SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. SO FOUR WEEKS AGO WE HAD THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE WAS VERY LITTLE.

THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT MADE A FEW COMMENTS ON ACTUALLY THE WRONG PROJECT, BUT I THINK IT WAS MEANT FOR HOURS BEFORE THAT, THERE WAS OUR DEVELOPER PRESENTATION WE TABLED HERE AT THE LAST HEARING IN ORDER TO GET ED MICKELSON, WHO IS HELPING YOU GUYS WITH THE VISION TO LOOK AT IT AND TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION. THAT DIRECTION CAME LAST WEEK. I WASN'T ABLE TO MEET

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AND IF ONE GOES THROUGH, IT'S NOT GOOD FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. IF THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T. SO IF WE CAN HAVE JUST A LITTLE LEEWAY, WE ON FRIDAY, WE MET ED GAVE. WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION AND I'LL KIND OF LEAVE IT AT THAT. BUT THERE ARE A FEW CHANGES THAT IN ED'S DOCUMENT, HE'D LIKE ON THE ANNEXATION AND THE ZONING. SO I'VE HAD SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING OR NOT, OUR PUBLIC HEARING, OUR DEVELOPER PRESENTATION ON BOTH THE ANNEXATION AND THAT ON THINGS THAT COUNCIL WANTED ADOPTED IN THOSE. SO TODAY I MADE A LETTER AND I SENT IT TO TERI, AND I SENT IT TO DONALD WITH CHANGES THAT WE WERE WILLING TO MAKE TO THE PROJECT. THOSE CHANGES AFFECT THE ZONING 100%, BUT IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE ANNEXATION. BUT I KIND OF NEED DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER IT WOULD BE BEST TO TABLE THIS, TO ALLOW TEXT TO BE CHANGED FOR SOME OF THE THINGS, OR IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. I CAN GO OVER THOSE WITH THE ZONING, BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU WON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE ZONING UNTIL WE GET PAST THE ANNEXATION. SO THAT IS THE KIND OF SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN HERE. SO I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM EITHER STAFF OR COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ANNEXATION AND THE ZONING DISCUSSION. I DO FEEL THAT THE ZONING CHANGES ARE ALL POSITIVE. IT MAKES ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE DESIGN STANDARDS. IT MAKES THEM MORE RESTRICTIVE AND A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE BEEN ASKED BY VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THOSE. AND I'M PREPARED TO GIVE YOU THE LETTER THAT WE SENT TODAY AND SOME OF THE THINGS. BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE ZONING AND THE ANNEXATION. SO THAT'S WHY TERRY, I DONALD, WE'VE KIND OF HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON HOW WE GO. SO I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION. ON WHETHER YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS TONIGHT AND MAKE THE DECISION, OR IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE UNTIL I THINK IT'S THE 12TH. IS THE 12TH ENOUGH TIME TO WORK THROUGH PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE ZONING AND POSSIBLY THERE? THERE ARE A LOT OF ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED THAT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED AS A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN REQUESTED FROM STAFF, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT THAT I THINK PROBABLY NEED SOME REVIEW BY THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THERE SEE IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE. WHAT'S OUR TIMELINE OF TAKING ACTION? WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. SO I, I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS DISCUSSION LATE TODAY AND IT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED, THAT THAT THE LEGISLATION GET TABLED. I THINK IT'S A LOT CLEANER IF IT GETS TABLED. THERE'S A RED LINE VERSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S PRESENTED TO COUNCIL BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. SO IT CAN BE REVIEWED. BUT IN TERMS OF TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE 100. SO WITH THE ANNEXATION WE HAVE 120 DAYS FROM THE FIRST READING, WHICH WAS AUGUST 12TH. SO THAT TAKES US OUT TO DECEMBER 10TH. SO THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THREE MORE MEETINGS BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE DECEMBER 10TH. AND THEN WITH THE ZONING, WE HAVE 90 DAYS FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING. PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD SEPTEMBER 23RD. SO THAT TAKES US OUT TO DECEMBER 22ND. AND THAT WOULD COVER, YOU KNOW, TWO HEARINGS IN NOVEMBER AND TWO HEARINGS IN DECEMBER. SO WE HAVE TIME. YES. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. WE WENT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION. WE WENT THROUGH TWO READINGS. WE WENT THROUGH ED MICHELSON'S REVIEW. ALL OF THEM ARE VERY LITTLE. WHERE ARE MULTIPLE ITEMS COMING FROM THAT I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION THIS MORNING. IT WASN'T GOING TO PASS. THAT'S WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WAS. IT WAS GOING TO

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IT DOESN'T HURT OUR COMMUNITY. SO WHERE'S YOUR AUTHORITY TO GO ON YOUR OWN WHEN THERE'S SEVEN OF US? YOU ARE ONE. DONALD, CAN YOU NOT COUNT TO FOUR? WELL, DO THEY NOT TEACH YOU THAT AT FAIRBANKS? YOU KNOW WHAT IT TAKES. YOU WANT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL. I WANT IT TAKES FOUR. THERE WAS TWO OPTIONS THIS MORNING. IT WAS EITHER WE FAIL THE DEVELOPMENT OR I FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET US TOGETHER TO GET BART'S APPROVAL. IT TAKES FOUR AND. AND. YEAH. AND THERE WASN'T ENOUGH THERE WASN'T ENOUGH BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO VOTE. IT COULD HAVE IT. IT COULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AND DISCUSSED. YOU'RE MAKING UNILATERAL DECISIONS. YOU DID IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE, TOO. I DO, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WE GOT THE LIST OF ITEMS IN WRITING AND DONALD HAS THEM THERE. AND I'D LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT THEM. WE GOT THOSE AFTER THE SECOND READING FOR THIS LEGISLATION. SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME. WE WERE PLANNING ON BRINGING IT TO A WORK SESSION TO GO THROUGH THEM TO SEE IF WE HAD COUNCIL'S IF COUNCIL WAS COMFORTABLE WITH SOME OF THOSE, WE YOU KNOW, THE OBVIOUSLY THE WORK SESSION IS NOT HERE YET, BUT WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SETTING UP A COMMITTEE TO START GOING THROUGH SOME OF THESE ITEMS AND THAT JUST HAS HAPPENED WITHIN THE LAST WEEK. THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO THERE WASN'T ANYTHING STAFF COULD DO. PLUS, IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS WE HAVE, WE CAN'T ACT ON ON ONE COUNT. YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND? PLEASE. WE ACT ON WHAT THE GROUP WANTS TO DO AND THE MAJORITY I IT PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE ADMINISTRATION. IF WE'RE ASKED TO PROCEED TO DO SOMETHING BY, BY ONE COUNCIL MEMBER OR JUST TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT MAJORITY THAT WE HOLD ON TO, THAT IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE ITEMS IN WRITING UNTIL AFTER THE SECOND READING OF THIS LEGISLATION. AND IF I CAN MAKE A CLARIFICATION, IT'S NOT MY LETTER THAT HE'S REFERRING TO, IT'S THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

AND THAT'S MORE FROM THE LARGER ZONING CODE. YEAH, THAT THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE. YEAH. BUT BUT MY LETTER DIDN'T COME UNTIL TODAY BECAUSE I JUST MET WITH FRED OR ED ON FRIDAY. NOW THERE ARE THINGS IN MY LETTER THAT STEVEN ADDRESSED ASKING ABOUT THE, THE REDUCTION IN THE GROUND FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, WHICH I'VE CONCLUDED HERE, THAT WAS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO OUR OUR DEVELOPER PRESENTATION. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO CAP THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS BECAUSE 4 OR 5 OF YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE SCALE OF, OF THE APARTMENTS AND THOSE. SO I DON'T WANT THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DISCUSSION. AND THAT'S NOT BUT I MEAN, TODAY I WAS PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER SO WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE TO MAKE CHANGES BECAUSE OF ED'S COMMENT. MAKE CHANGES FROM THE OTHERS OR NOT. SO TODAY WITH MY DISCUSSION WITH DONALD, WHICH I DID APPRECIATE, THE REACHING OUT, ETC. THAT'S WHEN I PUT THEM IN A LETTER AND TERRY DIDN'T GET THE LETTER UNTIL 4:00. SO IT WAS HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT IF THIS MAKES A DIFFERENCE. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE LETTER LIKE THE PROCESS SHOULD, AND THE SEVEN OF US WILL DISCUSS IT, WHICH ONES WE WANT, WHICH ONES WE DON'T. SO RIGHT I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER THIS RIGHT NOW, OR IF I HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT LEGISLATION, BUT THE PROCESS FOR INCORPORATING THESE CHANGES IS GOING TO BE POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS THAT YES, YES. THAT'S RIGHT. YES. YEAH. I MEAN JUST AND AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO WE NEED TO PIECEMEAL WE NEED TO LOOK AT EACH ONE AND CONSIDER EACH ONE AND THEN MOVE OR NOT MOVE TO AMEND TO ADD THAT PARTICULAR PIECE. SO YEAH. CAN I ASK A QUESTION. YES. YES. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS PROCEDURALLY SINCE WE ARE IN THE THIRD, IF WE WERE TO TABLE, WE WOULD STAY IN THE THIRD. WHERE

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AND THEN ONCE THE AMENDMENT IS MADE, THE LEGISLATION GOES BACK TO SECOND READING. OKAY. AND THEN SO YOU'D HAVE YOU COULD HAVE SECOND READING RIGHT AT, YOU KNOW, THAT SAME NIGHT AND THEN AND THEN IT WOULD GET CONTINUED ON TO THE NEXT MEETING FOR THIRD OR THIRD. CAN GET WAIVED. BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS THESE ARE ZONING AMENDMENTS. SO IT'S AND I'M NOT HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. SO PROCEDURALLY IF THE ZONING COMES FIRST AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THE AMENDMENTS ARE GOING TO PASS OR NOT, ON THE NEXT PIECE OF LEGISLATION FOR THE ZONING, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TACKLE? THAT'S THE THAT'S A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION. BUT NOW WITH THE ZONING, I MEAN, IF LET'S SAY YOU HAVE SIX PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE AND VOTE ON, IF FOUR PASS AND FOUR DON'T, WELL, THE ONES THAT DON'T JUST DON'T GET ADDED AND THE RECOMMENDATION STAYS. SO FROM FROM PLANNING COMMISSION. SO IF YOU GET SIX VOTES ON FOUR OUT OF SIX THEN THOSE FOUR ADDED, THEN AFTER THE AMENDMENTS ARE MADE, YOU WOULD AFTER YOU HAVE RE RE RE. HER SECOND READING TAKES THIS AND COMMENTS GO TO THIRD READING.

YOU WOULD VOTE ON THE LEGISLATION AS AMENDED. SO THE WEEK AFTER THE TRUE. YES. AND SO I GUESS MY THE ANSWER TO THE BIG QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED IS IF IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT SOME AMENDMENTS MAY BE CONTEMPLATED. SO I WOULD I WOULD TABLE THE ANNEXATION ALONG WITH THE, THE ZONING AND I WOULD TABLE THAT YOU HAVE TO TABLE. YOU SEE, THE PROBLEM HERE IS THE ANNEXATION HAS TO COME IN FIRST, RIGHT? IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT INDEXED AND IT'S NOT IN THE CITY, THEN THE ZONING IS MOOT. SO I WOULD JUST MOVE THE TABLE. THE ANNEXATION ALONG. OKAY. I JUST MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT SO THERE'S SOME ENERGY IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.

YEAH. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. JUST BIG PICTURE. THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE IS AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO MOVE. WE ARE GROWING AND THERE'S NUMBERS BEHIND THAT. WE HAVE A COMP PLAN. WE'VE DECIDED I THINK IT WAS DECIDED LAST YEAR BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL. WE'RE GOING TO REVISIT THAT AND IT'S EVOLVED OVER TIME. AND I JUST I SENSE THAT A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE KIND OF TALKING THROUGH IS JUST THE IDEA OF WANTING TO DO IT RIGHT. THE IDEA OF KIND OF PROCESSES THAT EXIST TODAY, PROCESSES MAYBE. HOW CAN WE NAVIGATE THROUGH THE GROWTH THAT THAT'S COMING TO MARYSVILLE THAT WANTS TO COME TO MARYSVILLE? SO I WOULD JUST THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I RECOGNIZE AND IT IS GOING TO CAUSE SPARK PEO I DON'T TELLW I'M GOING TO VOTE ON ON THESE THINGS. FOR THE RECORD, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TAKE A VOTE. BUT CERTAINLY WE ARE FACED, YOU KNO, WITH WITH THE GROWTH THAT IS AHEAD OF MARYSVILLE. THEY WANT CENTRAL OHIO IS I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT IS CENTRAL OHIO IS JUST A BOOMING PLACE. AND MARYSVILLE IS, YOU KNOW, A TARGET FOR GROWTH. WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS GOING FOR US. A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE. I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT LIKE KIND OF CONCERNS OR HARDSHIP FOR STAFF. I'M JUST OPTIMISTIC THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD OVER THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF, WE ARE FOCUSING ON TRYING TO PLAN APPROPRIATELY. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE PROCESSES THAT THEY WORK AND THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE USES THAT TERM. SMART GROWTH. I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE TERM SMART GROWTH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR HANDS AROUND THAT. SO I APPRECIATE PATIENCE ON ANYONE'S PART, BUT I APPRECIATE APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE OF THE PUBLIC TO JUST AS WE WORK THROUGH THESE CHALLENGING KIND OF THINGS AND BIG CHANGES TO MARYSVILLE, IT'S A LOT A DIFFERENT PLACE THAN IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO. YOU KNOW, I THERE'S JUST A PROCESS AND ALL WE'RE ALL WE'RE ASKING FROM STAFF'S SIDE IS A PROCESS IS IT NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED. AND IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE 10 OR 12 CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'RE ALL ABOUT IT. I MEAN, WE'RE ALL ABOUT IT. IF THE MAJORITY IS THERE, I JUST IT'S JUST THAT WE WERE UNCOMFORTABLE MOVING. MOVING FORWARD ON THESE QUICKLY TONIGHT AND HAVING YOU TAKE ACTION ON THESE LIKE TONIGHT WHEN THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF ALL OF THEM. I DON'T I DON'T NONE OF THEM. I WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ECHOING WHAT SCOTT SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS A, A DEMAND FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANTING TO LIVE HERE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO WANT THEIR MOM TO MOVE CLOSER TO TOWN SO THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEIR MOM.

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AND I KNOW OVER THE YEARS WE'VE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MANAGE TRAFFIC AND SEWER AND WATER AND STORMWATER ALL THESE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE HANDLING POSITIVELY AND WE'RE ENSURING THAT THE GROWTH IS TACKLING AND, YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR THEIR IMPACT. THE THING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN THIS IS IT RAISES A WHOLE NEW LEVEL WITH THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY AND ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TACKLE AS WELL, THINGS LIKE PARKS AND SCHOOLS AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHER SMALLER INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME REAL POSITIVES. AND, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE IDEAS THAT EDITOR MICHAELSON HAS BROUGHT FORWARD. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE AMENABLE TO A LOT OF THIS. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN TAKE SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD AND MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. SO I MOVE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL NOVEMBER 12TH. SO I CALL MR. WOLF. YES. MR. BURBEE YES. MR. BURGER? YES. MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REAMES YES. MR. RAUCH NO. MR. BORDNER YES. SIX. YES. A THOUGHT JUST CAME TO MIND. I MEAN, AS AS A KIND OF A POINT OF ORDER TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE ORDER OF THESE THINGS. WHAT WE COULD DO WHEN THESE TWO COME, COME BACK ON NOVEMBER 12TH IS WE COULD PUT THE ZONING FIRST, DISCUSS THE ZONING, AMEND IT IF NECESSARY, AND THEN MOVE TO POSTPONE THE VOTE TO PASS THE LEGISLATION UNTIL AFTER THE ANNEXATION HAS BEEN HANDLED. SO WE SO THAT WAY WE'D HAVE SOME IDEA JUST WOULDN'T VOTE ON THE ZONING UNTIL AFTER THE ANNEXATION WAS PASSED. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO THEN WE KNOW IN ADVANCE, RIGHT, WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO YOU JUST PUT WE'LL PUT THE PUT THE ZONING UP, PUT THE ZONING. WE'LL SWITCH THE ORDER OF THE TWO, DISCUSS THE ZONING, HANDLE ANY AMENDMENTS, BUT DON'T VOTE ON THE ULTIMATE PASSAGE OF THE LEGISLATION UNTIL AFTER THE ZONING. THEN WE'D HAVE TO MAYBE SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TO HEAR THE ZONING OR TO VOTE ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE, OR TO POSTPONE THE VOTE ON THE ZONING UNTIL AFTER THE ANNEXATION HAS BEEN HEARD. AND WE CAN HAVE THE AMENDMENTS PRESENTED AT NOVEMBER 12TH, AND WE CAN GET IT TO YOU IN ADVANCE, FIRST OFF, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM AND THEN WE CAN EVEN PRESENT IT AND TALK ABOUT THEM. IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST TO EITHER ADJUST OR MODIFY IN ANY WAY POINT OF ORDER YOU HAD MENTIONED, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE SECOND READING OR WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY YOU JUST MOVED THE ANNEXATION TO THE 12TH, SO WE WOULD MOVE THE ANNEXATION TO THE 24TH OF NOVEMBER. WE HAVE THE ZONING DISCUSSION ON THE 12TH.

WOULD THAT BE BOTH WITH KEEP THEM TOGETHER RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW, IT'S WE ROUTINELY COUNCIL WILL AFTER THE AMENDMENT WILL WILL HEAR SECOND READING AND THEN MAYBE WAIVE THIRD. BUT THERE'S NO REASON NO REASON WHY YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT I WOULD KEEP THEM TOGETHER. AND THEN IF, IF, IF AFTER THE AMENDMENTS ARE MADE, WE, WE GO BACK TO SECOND HEARING AND HEARSAYS AND COMMENTS AND CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS LATER FOR THIRD READING, WE CAN JUST DO THE SAME FOR THE WITH THE ANNEXATION, I WOULD KEEP THEM TOGETHER. MY POINT IS A FULL A FULL BOARD IS WHAT MY GOAL IS. RIGHT? THAT ALL SEVEN MEMBERS WERE ABLE TO HEAR IT. AND IF THAT CAN'T HAPPEN ON THE 12TH, THEN WE'D LOOK AT AT THIRD READING AND FINAL VOTE ON THE 25TH. 25TH. RIGHT. AGAIN, YOU NEED SIX SIX VOTES TO AMEND. BUT AFTER ALL THE AMENDMENTS ARE HANDLED INDIVIDUALLY, THEN THE LEGISLATION IS VOTED ON AS AMENDED. IF AMENDED AT ALL. NO, CORRECT. THAT REQUIRES FOUR VOTES. YEAH. I'M I'M VERY COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT IN WHAT WE'RE ASKING. I CAN ACTUALLY DO ALL OF THESE STANDARDS UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING RIGHT NOW. I CAN JUST EXCEED IT. AGAIN, OUR STANDARDS ON THE ZONING IS ALREADY WELL ABOVE YOUR EXISTING CODE. THIS TAKES IT EVEN FURTHER. SO I MEA, EVEN WITHOUT THESE AMENDMENTS, YOU COULD YOU YOU COULD HAVE VOTED TONIGHT AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO TRUST THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO

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WE HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE FOURTH. IS IT POSSIBLE TO INCORPORATE THAT DISCUSSION, THE WORK SESSION? I'M JUST SAYING, BECAUSE MR. RAUSCH IS NOTABLY GOING TO BE OUT THE 12TH AND I'M GOING TO BE OUT NOVEMBER 25TH, AND I THINK THAT IT'S WOULD BEHOOVE US TO PULL THAT IN, HAVE THE DISCUSSION AT THE WORK SESSION. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. DOES DOES OUR RULES OF ORDER, RULES OF COUNCIL ALLOW US ALLOW US TO VOTE TO VOTE ON IT? I THINK YOU GOT TO VOTE TO MOVE THE THIRD READING TO THE NOVEMBER 4TH MEETING. YEAH, THERE'S NO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PROHIBITION AGAINST THAT. WELL HOLD ON, DID I JUST HEAR I'M GOING TO LOSE ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE 25TH WHEN WE WOULD BE VOTING? WELL, IF WE WOULD ALL GO ON THE FOURTH, IF WE DO THE DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ON THE FOURTH. YEAH. THEN WE CAN BRING EVERYTHING TOGETHER ON THE 12TH. OKAY. I'M NOT HERE. JR IS NOT HERE. BUT. OKAY. WELL WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE DOING BOTH OF THEM ON THE FIFTH OR FOURTH. WHICH WOULD REQUIRE US TO GET. WHICH WOULD REQUIRE US TO WAIVE THIRD READING. YOU'D HAVE TO WAIVE THIRD. YEAH. NO, WE'D HAVE TO WAIT. WE'RE IN THIRD READING AND WE WOULD HAVE TO. IT GOES BACK TO SECOND. DO OUR TABLING. HEY, TIM, ONE OPTION AND I KNOW IT'S 940. COULD WE TALK ABOUT THEM TONIGHT UP TO COUNCIL. IF YOU IF YOU GUYS WANT TO LET BART. NO, NO I'M I'M PREPARED TO DO WHATEVER. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IF AFTER THE DISCUSSION ON THE ZONING, CAN YOU UNDO THE TABLING OF THE ANNEXATION, WE CAN HAVE A RECONSIDERATION OF THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN I'D PREFER TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEN WE MAY GET TO THE END TONIGHT. SO BEFORE WE START WITH THIS PAPER THAT'S IN FRONT OF ME, WHICH I'LL OUTLINE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HAS BEEN PROVIDED. DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED AS THEY'VE BEEN CURRENTLY, AS YOU HAVE PRESENTED THEM TO MYSELF AND TERRY? NO, IT'S BEEN A VERY COLLABORATIVE EFFORT GOING WAY BACK ON A NUMBER OF THESE. AND I CAN GO THROUGH THEM IF YOU WANT, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO THROUGH THEM. SO NONE SO NONE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT. WE CAN ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THESE OKAY. THANK YOU. SO DEVELOPER AGREES THAT THE 4.9 WAIT I'M SORRY. SORRY, SORRY. YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO.

SURE. WELL, WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY OPENED UP THE ZONING ORDINANCE YET EITHER. OKAY. YEAH, A POINT OF ORDER THAT WE JUST TOOK A VOTE ON THE ANNEXATION, SO WE HAVE TO START THE DISCUSSION YET ON THE THIRD, BECAUSE NOT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT PART OF THE ANNEXATION. ANNEXATION? YEAH. SO AND THEN SEPARATELY, WE HAVE ORDINANCE P, SO WE WOULD NEED TO INITIATE ORDINANCE P IN ORDER TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. OKAY. OKAY. I KNOW WE MIXED THE TWO TOGETHER. WELL LET ME LET ME BACK UP REAL QUICK. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS CAN WE HEAR THIS ON AT THE WORK SESSION. AND WE CAN AS LONG AS WE VOTE ON IT TONIGHT AND SCHEDULE IT FOR THE WORK SESSION, WE CAN'T WE CAN'T. IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN YOU CAN'T HEAR IT BY CONSENT. ACCORDING TO OUR RULES. SO WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE IT TONIGHT TO WORK SESSION. SO I WAS LOOKING AT THAT HANK, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. WE'VE TABLED THE ANNEXATION, BUT

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BUT OUR TEXT DOES NOT SAY WE'RE GOING TO PUT A MULTI-PURPOSE TRACK OR PURPOSE TRAILS OR A SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ALLENBY AND ROAD. A SO HERE WE ARE COMMITTING TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER OR OR BOTH. SO IT COULD HAVE MULTI-PURPOSE TRAILS ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH WOULD BE TEN FOOT, WHICH IS YOUR STANDARD. OR IF ONE SIDE HAS MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL, THE OTHER ONE WOULD HAVE A SEVEN FOOT SIDEWALK. SO THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THAT. WE DO THAT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROUNDABOUT ON BOTH ROAD A AND ALLENBY. THE DETENTION PONDS IN MY PRESENTATION, I MENTIONED THAT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO COUNT SORT OF IN THE COMMON AREA, NOW MY COMMON AREA IS 30%. IT'S NOT THE 10% THAT YOUR ZONE REQUIRES. SO WE'RE ALREADY THREE TIMES MORE. BUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE DETENTION PONDS ARE INCLUDED IN THERE, ONE, YOU CAN MAKE THEM AMENITIES BY PUTTING FOUNTAINS IN IT, BY PUTTING TRAILS AROUND THEM AND PUTTING, YOU KNOW, BENCHES AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. AND THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER AREAS. BUT AT JEROME VILLAGE, WE CREATED NATURAL PONDS. YOU KNOW, THEY WERE MISSHAPEN. THEY HAD CATTAIL LEDGES TO WHERE THE CAT TRAILS GROW UP. YOU HAD TALL GRASSES AROUND THEM. THE TRAIL STILL WENT BY THEM AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT WAS A NATURAL. DURING MY PRESENTATION I SAID, WE DO IT EITHER WAY. SO IF YOU WANT THE TRAILS OR YOU WANT THE PONDS TO BE NATURAL AND MAINTAIN THAT WAY, WE CAN DO THAT OR WE CAN GO BACK TO THE AMENITIES. SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT RURAL CHARACTERISTIC. I WAS AT YOUR AT YOUR WORK SESSION WHERE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND WHERE YOU'VE PLANNED OUT. SO THIS WOULD BE MAINTAINING MORE OF THAT RURAL CHARACTERISTIC WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT, ALLOWING THE TALL GRASSES TO GROW UP ON THE BANKS AND THE CATTAILS TO GROW UP WITHIN THE POND. IT WOULD INCORPORATE WE STILL INCORPORATE THE TRAILS. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT SOME BENCHES, WE'LL JUST MAKE THEM A LITTLE MORE RUSTIC THAN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE. BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'D BE REMOVING THE FOUNTAINS FROM THAT ONE. WE'LL DO IT EITHER WAY. JUST NEED DESIGN. REVIEW YOURSELF, SOMEBODY TO TELL US WHICH WAY YOU WANT US TO DO. THERE. OH, THE DEVELOPMENT PARK.

YOU WOULDN'T HAPPEN. WELL, NEVER MIND, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THE IMAGE THAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT A GOOGLE EARTH OR ONE OF OUR EXHIBITS, BUT TO THE NORTH, WHERE WHERE OUR HOUSE IS ACTUALLY STOP. AND THIS IS IN THE PARK SYSTEM. WE HAVE WHAT IS CORN FIELDS AND THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT CORN FIELDS, ETC. UP THERE LEADING BACK TO THE CREEK. THESE ARE OPEN AND MAINTAINING THAT WE HADN'T REALLY DEFINED EXACTLY HOW WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT PARK.

WE'RE KEEPING THE TRAILS THAT ARE OR THE TREES THAT ARE ALL IN THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PARK SYSTEM. AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. BUT WE'VE AGREED THAT IF YOU GUYS CHOOSE THAT, WE WOULD COME INTO THESE COMMON AREAS AND RESTORE THOSE FROM FARM FIELDS TO WILD WILDFLOWERS, GRASSES, ALL NATIVE PLANTS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, THAT IS EASILY DONE BECAUSE THE TOPSOIL IS ALL THERE AND WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DISTURB THESE. WE MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF IT IF WE MOVE THE DETENTION PONDS FARTHER TO THE NORTH, WE MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT, BUT ALL AROUND THE PARK, WHERE THERE'S NOT TREES, WE WILL. WE WILL CREATE A MORE NATURAL MAINTAINED, RURAL CHARACTERISTIC TYPE THING. AND THAT'S THE LAST BULLET THERE. SO ON THE NEXT PAGE. SORRY, I'M READING THEM OFF OF HERE BECAUSE I HAVE TO PUT MY GLASSES ON AND OFF IF I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THEM HERE. THE OTHER PIECE IS THIS GOES BACK TO ED'S COMMENTS. AS LONG AS WELL AS SOME OF YOU GUYS. I HEARD STEVEN POINT OUT THAT THE TREES THAT WE REMOVED UP THERE ON THE APARTMENT SITE TONIGHT, SO WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A BIG ONE. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT REMOVAL IS PART OF THE TREE RESTORATION PROGRAM. WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE QUITE A FEW TREES FROM THAT SITE IN THE MILL VALLEY AREA, WORKING WITH THE ARBORIST, BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD TREES DIE ON THE STREETSCAPE AND HOA HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT REALLY SURE WHO'S DOING THAT, BUT WE'VE VOLUNTEERED. WELL DONE.

VOLUNTEERS FOR YOUR TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM TO ADDRESS THAT WITH YOUR ARBORIST AND THE CITY STAFF AND KIND OF WORK THAT OUT. SO WE WILL PUT A LOT OF THOSE TREES BACK ON SITE, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PUT SOME ON OTHER PEOPLE'S SITE. BUT IN THIS SITUATION, IN THOSE FIELDS WHERE WE ARE DEFORESTING SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING HOUSES, WE'VE AGREED TO PUT 1000 SAPLINGS IN PLACE. YOU KNOW, THESE WON'T BE HUGE TREES, BUT WE CAN GO OUT THERE AS A COMMUNITY. IF YOU WANT AND ESSENTIALLY PUT THEM. THEY DO HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE. USUALLY WHEN YOU PUT SAPLINGS, 50% OF THEM DIE. BUT WE CAN TREAT THEM FOR DEER REPELLANT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT JUST TO BE SNACKS FOR THE DEER THAT ARE OUT THERE. BUT WE ARE WILLING TO PUT 1000 SAPLINGS OF NATIVE NATIVE VARIATIONS OF TREES IN THE PARK SYSTEMS IN THE

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WHEN WE DETERMINE WHERE THE TRAIL SYSTEM GOES IN THOSE WOODS. DOT DESIGN REVIEW IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. COULD THERE BE OTHER AMENITIES? YES. WITH THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY HELPING FUND INFRASTRUCTURE AND THOSE THINGS ON A LONG TERM BASIS ON THIS SITE, THE PARK SYSTEM WILL BE OWNED AND CONTROLLED BY THAT COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. SO YES, THERE CAN BE AMENITIES AND STUFF THAT GOES INTO THE PARK SYSTEM THAT WASN'T ON OUR INITIAL PLAN. THAT WOULD BE EITHER DONE AT THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY BOARD LEVEL, OR IT WOULD BE DONE AT DESIGN REVIEW. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT TO PUTTING A THOUSAND SAPLINGS BACK INTO THAT AREA TO KIND OF REPLACE SOME OF THE DEFORESTATION THAT ED POINTED OUT. AND YOU GUYS HAVE ADDRESSED. IT'S NOT JUST ED. SO NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALKS, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP TODAY. ADA THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ISSUES AS TO THE FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS. WE'RE WILLING TO GO FIVE FOOT. I MEAN, THERE IS SLOWLY AN EFFORT IN ALL CODES TO MOVE THEM TO FIVE FOOT BECAUSE OF ADA ISSUES AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. SO WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT TO THAT SIDE LOADED GARAGES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DID TALK ABOUT BOTH AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HERE ON THE CORNER. LOTS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND IN SUBAREA B, WE WILL DO CORNER LOTS. WE WILL DO SIDE LOADED HOUSES BECAUSE IT IS A MUCH BETTER STREET VIEW ON THAT THAN HAVING A BLANK WALL. EVEN IF YOU PUT 1 OR 2 WINDOWS IN THE WALL THAT THAT IS ON THE OPPOSING, YOU KNOW, STREET, IT LOOKS MUCH, MUCH BETTER IF THE GARAGE COMES THERE. THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS THERE AND IT KIND OF CREATES A CONTINUATION OF THE STREET VIEW.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I COMMITTED TO IN DESIGN REVIEW, AND I BELIEVE THE READING NUMBER ONE THAT I'M JUST DOCUMENTING HERE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO SUBAREAS A, B AND C, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO US WHETHER IT'S CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS OR ASPHALT JEROME VILLAGE. WE ALLOW THEM TO USE WHATEVER THEY WANT. BUT IF YOU WANT CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT HERE. WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. CONCRETE'S A LITTLE MORE TRICKY BECAUSE OF NATURAL WINTERS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. AS TO WHEN YOU'RE LAYING IT DOWN, YOU'RE POURING A LOT OF CONCRETE IN THE WINTER, YOU SOMETIMES GET WARRANTY ISSUES WITH ASPHALT. YOU DON'T. BUT A LOT OF TIMES ASPHALT PLANTS WILL SHUT DOWN IN THE WINTER IF IT GETS REALLY, REALLY COLD. SO I MEAN, IT'S SIX ONE WAY, HALF A DOZEN THE OTHER. SO WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. THIS IS SOMETHING THE NEXT ONE, ALL LANDSCAPE BEDS BE RAISED SIX INCHES OF TOPSOIL. WE COMMITTED TO THAT. WE'RE REQUIRING RAISED BEDS. I TOOK SOME OF THE STANDARDS. YOU CAN'T GROW FOUNDATION PLANTS IN THE CLAY.

THAT IS LEFT MOST OF THE TIME. SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT THE SIX INCH BEDS IN THE REST OF IT.

TOPSOIL WON'T BE SPREAD ACROSS THE WHOLE LOT, BUT THAT'S WHY WE REQUIRE SOD. NO SEEDING ON ANY OF THESE LOTS, AND AT LEAST WITH SOD YOU GET TWO INCHES WORTH OF DIRT. THAT GIVES THE GRASS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. IF YOU THROW SEED ON CLAY, IT DOESN'T GROW SO THAT STANDARD IS ADDRESSED ON THE REST OF THE LOT BY US REQUIRING SOD TO BE DONE. 30% COMMON AREA. THIS ISN'T NEW.

WE BROUGHT THIS DAY ONE. THERE'S AN EXHIBIT IN THE BACK. I'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE GET IN THERE.

BUT WE ARE COMMITTED TO DO 30%, AT LEAST 30% IN THE SUB AREA. SOME SUB AREAS WILL EXCEED IT, BUT NONE OF THEM WILL BE LESS THAN YOUR MINIMUM STANDARDS OF 10%. I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXHIBIT HERE IN JUST A SECOND, AND THEN PROBABLY THE MOST THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONE FROM A COST STANDPOINT, I'M NOT SAYING THESE THINGS DON'T COST MONEY, BUT THIS WAS ADDRESSED AT YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE PEOPLE DOWN THERE THAT YOU KNOW THEY DON'T LIKE VINYL.

I'LL LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR THE FUTURE. NOT ON THIS PROJECT, BUT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS TO BRING YOU A INSULATED BACK PIECE OF VINYL THAT IS AN EIGHT INCH BOARD, SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND HARDIPLANK AND SEE THAT THERE IS VALUE IN VINYL. JEROME VILLAGE HAS 50 FOOT LOTS AND VINYL SIDING AND I THINK IT LOOKS VERY, VERY WELL DONE. WHEN YOU ADD OTHER MATERIALS. SO WE ARE WILLING TO AND AGAIN, IF IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A POSITIVE VOTE AND A NO VOTE, WE ARE WILLING TO GO WITH ALL NATURAL CEMENT OR COMPOSITE. OKAY. NO LAP VINYL SIDING ON THE RESIDENTIAL OR THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES. NOW WITH THAT SAID, THERE ARE TRIM FEATURES. THERE ARE PIECES THAT MIGHT BE AT THE TOP OF THE HOUSE THAT ARE COMMONLY DONE WITH WITH SIDING.

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AND THAT'S NOT A HARD THING TO DO BECAUSE AGAIN, I CAN'T GET PERFECT ON ALL THOSE THINGS. SO I MEAN WE COULD BE 3,132% NOW, I'M NOT COMMITTING TO THAT. I'M JUST COMMITTING TO THREE TIMES WHAT YOUR EXISTING STANDARDS ARE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER TODAY. AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE THAT IT CAME AT 4:00. IT JUST KIND OF WAS A WHIRLWIND DAY. FRIDAY WAS EDITOR AND YOU KNOW, THE I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR EDITOR WHO'S LEADING YOUR VISION TO GIVE A NOD. NOW I'M NOT GOING TO SAY EDITOR WAS GLOWING, BUT OUT OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, HE ONLY HAD A HANDFUL OF COMMENTS. AND WHEN WE SAT DOWN, I WILL SAY THAT HE LIKED VERY MUCH THE COLLABORATIVE NATURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I DEAL WITH WHEN I WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL RESIDENTS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, I JOKE ABOUT THIS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I PRIDE MYSELF ON. YOU KNOW, NACO AND I WORKED WITH THE BUXTON RESIDENTS THAT CAME IN ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS, AND THEN THEY SLOWLY DISSIPATED. I HAVEN'T SEEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ANNEXATION OR A ZONING THAT HAD NOBODY COME IN AND SPEAK OTHER THAN THE ONE WE HAD, WHAT, TWO WEEKS AGO. SO I TO TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS IN CERTAIN AREAS AND EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENCES IN THE PROCESSES. AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN GO INTO THE FINANCIALS, THE NCA, THE 38 MILLION, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE $15 MILLION IN TAP FEES IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE PUMP STATION THAT I JUST HEARD YOU GUYS PAID CASH FOR TONIGHT. BUT THESE ARE THESE ARE THE ADDITIONS TO OUR PROJECT. AGAIN, WE CAN DO THESE AS AMENDMENTS THAT YOU GUYS VOTE ON. OR IF YOU TRUST ME, WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM ANYWAY BECAUSE I JUST PRESENTED THEM TO YOU. AND THAT'S HOW ROCKFORD DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENTS IN MY ENTIRE CAREER HAVE BEEN. SO I'LL LOOK FOR YOU GUYS TO DETERMINE THE NEXT STEPS. ONE QUESTION ON THE VINYL BY GOING TO ALL NATURAL. WHAT'S THE ADD TO A COST OF A HOME 25 TO $35,000 A HOUSE. SO ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL THAT TALKS ABOUT WANTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE'RE GOING TO GO UP 25 TO 35 GRAND. AND I KNOW I'VE GOT VINYL SIDING BECAUSE I LOOKED AT HARDIPLANK AND I COULDN'T AFFORD IT. I COULD AFFORD IT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT. YOURS IS VINYL. I WILL I WILL STILL SAY THAT OUR PRICE POINTS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SMALLER TOWNHOMES, THE DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND SOME OF THE MISSING MARKET THAT WE ARE HITTING, WE WERE HOPING TO BE SOMEWHERE AT, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH 200 TO 3 HUNDREDS TO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES IN THE SIX 50S. RIGHT.

AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS IT DOES BUMP THE ENTIRE RANGE ON THE TOWNHOMES THAT THAT 25 TO 35,000 IS A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY. SO ON A TOWNHOME WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE MIXED PRODUCTS, MIXED STONE, BRICK AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, AND IT'S THREE STORY, IT'S VERY LIKELY TO BE LESS ON THAT UNIT. BUT EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY. I MEAN, EVERY BIT OF THIS COSTS MONEY, BUT CAN YOU DO IT OR CAN YOU NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS STUFF THAT WE FEEL WE CAN STILL BE SUCCESSFUL OR OTHERWISE. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS, IT'S LIKE DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOT TO SAY NO. AND WE WERE VERY, VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE PRESENTED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH STAFF AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE ARE WELL ABOVE MARYVILLE STANDARDS. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PROJECT WHICH WILL BE WELL ABOVE THESE. AND IF YOU REMEMBER, ON THE PRESENTATION THAT I DID ON READING NUMBER ONE, WE'VE COMMITTED TO THESE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT WE WOULD CARRY FORWARD ON ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL WE BRING ON THE EAST SIDE. ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THE NATURAL PRODUCTS. YES. WHAT KIND OF UPKEEP? 20 YEARS FROM NOW? ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKED ABOUT VINYL IS 20 YEARS FROM NOW, I

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BUT WITH COLORS THEY'LL DO THAT. BUT IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN DOUBLING ANY OTHERS. YOU'VE GOT TO MAINTAIN A HOUSE AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERS ME WHEN I SEE A VINYL HOUSE, IF YOU COME UP 33 BEFORE YOU GET TO 42, AND I HATE TO POINT OUT THESE HOUSES BECAUSE SOMEBODY LIVES THERE, BUT THE BIG TREND IS TO PUT THE, THE, THE WASHING MACHINE AND THE DRYER ON THE SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE 85% OF ALL YOUR CLOTHES COMES FROM THERE. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT PUTS THE OUTSIDE DRYER VENT. AND IF YOU LOOK THAT MOISTURE THAT COMES OUT THAT DRYER VENT COLLECTS DIRT AROUND THAT AND RESIDENTS DO A GREAT JOB OF MAINTAINING THEIR HOUSE.

SOMETIMES. BUT HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE A POWER WASHER? THEY CAN GET 22FT OFF THE GROUND TO CLEAN THAT OFF THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE. YOU PUT IT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND IT'S EVEN DOUBLE WITH THE MOISTURE THAT COMES FROM THE NORTH SIDE. SO VINYL IS TERRIBLE. NOW OVER TIME, HARDY WILL LOOK THE SAME WAY IF YOU HAVE THAT. BUT NEXT TIME YOU COME NORTH ON 33, YOU WILL SEE THE HOUSES THAT I'M REFERRING TO. I WANT TO GO OVER THERE AND FIND A LADDER. NOW I'M GETTING TOO OLD TO BE ON A LADDER, BUT BUT AND CLEAN THOSE OFF. BUT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED. SO. BUT THERE IS YOU KNOW, VINYL IS A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER AND VINYL HAS A, A BETTER. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU KNOW, I'D PROBABLY SAY HALF OF CENTRAL OHIO IS USING HARDY AND OTHER MATERIALS. SO NATURAL MATERIALS. SO IT'S A TREND AND MARYSVILLE IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THAT TREND IN YOUR RESIDENTS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THAT TREND. WE HAVE SOME WE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY OR SOME NEIGHBORHOODS CURRENTLY THAT ARE HARDY PLANK ONLY. YEAH. CAN'T USE VINYL. AND WE HAD JEROME VILLAGE. WE HAD HARDY DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRICE POINTS AND DIFFERENT PRODUCTS. AND LIKE I SAID, NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 50 FOOT LOTS DOWN THERE AND VINYL. WE HAVE FOUR COMMUNITIES PROBABLY CLOSER TO 800 HOUSES THAT THAT ARE ARE VINYL. AND I THINK SOME OF IT. NO, NO, IT'S AND IT STILL WORKED. SO AND IT'S DOUBLE IN SCHOOLS WASN'T DOUBLING ZONING BUT IT WAS DOUBLING SCHOOLS. IT WAS TOWNSHIP ZONING. BUT ANYHOW ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN HELP WITH? I THINK HANK HAD ONE. YES, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFOR, BUT HIS OWN. BUT I JUST WANT TO GO BACK AGAIN FOR A MOMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. OKAY. IT'S TEN MIL. NO, NO, FIVE. OKAY. IT'S 9.75 ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE WITH WITH THE BUSINESS SIDE. AND THAT COMMUNITY AUTHORITY THERE WILL GO FOREVER. SO THERE IS IT'S INFINITE. THERE'S NO EXPIRATION. SO ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE IS 5.5 MILLS OKAY. THERE'S 5.5 MILL 5.5 MILLS FOR 40 YEARS OKAY. FOR 40 YEARS OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT.

IT'LL PRODUCE ABOUT $38 MILLION OVER THAT 40 YEARS TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES, PARK, LAND PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. AND I ASSUME THAT SINCE IT IS A MILL, IT'S GOING TO BE COLLECTED BY THE COUNTY AUDITOR. YES. SO IT THERE'S OPTIONS. BUT YES, SHE IS COLLECTING THE MILL MILLAGE AT JEROME VILLAGE. WE ACTUALLY COLLECTED IT AS A COMMUNITY AUTHORITY AT JEROME VILLAGE FOR THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS. IT'S A NIGHTMARE. SHE IS ANDREA WEAVER IS WONDERFUL. SHE BILLS FOR IT. ANDY SMITH WILL COLLECT IT AND THEN DISTRIBUTE IT TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO. YEAH, WELL, OF COURSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR FEES OFF OF IT. THAT'S, YOU KNO, THAT WILL BE TO REFUND YOU FOR MAYBE THE PURCHASE OF THE LAND, THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE

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BUT IT IS THERE TO HELP FUND INFRASTRUCTURE, REIMBURSE INFRASTRUCTURE OR FUND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY COULD GO BUY THREE ACRES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

NOW, IF COMMUNITY AUTHORITY HAS NO MONEY AT THAT POINT IN TIME BECAUSE THE MILLAGE ISN'T COMING IN, THE DEVELOPER CAN DO THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD BE REIMBURSED FOR THAT. AND THAT'S HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS. CORRECT. SO BUT THERE WILL BE TWO. SO ORIGINALLY ON MARYSVILLE EAST, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ONE LARGE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. BUT BECAUSE NACO IS IN CONTROL OF MOST OF MARYSVILLE EAST, AND THEY CREATED SOMETHING WE WERE UNAWARE OF MARYSVILLE SOUTH, THEY WANT THEIR COMMUNITY AUTHORITY TO BE OVER BOTH OF THOSE. SO IT'S MANAGED SIMILARL.

SO WE AGREED TO SEPARATE THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AUTHORITY FROM THE INDUSTRIAL COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. THERE WILL STILL BE SHARED EXPENSES THAT WE GO BACK AND FORTH WITH BECAUSE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE ON THE EAST SIDE WILL BENEFIT US. ET CETERA. AND ONCE THE MONEY IS, IS THERE TO INFRASTRUCTURE OR TO REIMBURSE SOME OF THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURES THAT BOTH NACO AND MYSELF ARE GOING TO UNDERTAKE, THEN WE HOPE THAT THERE IS MONEY TO IMPROVE THE EXISTING CORE RIGHT THERE AND MAYBE EXTEND OUR FENCES, EXTEND OUR, OUR, OUR COLUMNS AND SOME OF THAT STUFF INTO THE EXISTING CORE ON THE EAST SIDE, ALL THE WAY OVER TO 33 TO KIND OF IMPROVE THAT AREA, MAYBE CONNECT TRAILS. THIS COMMUNITY AUTHORITY WILL ACTUALLY MANAGE AND OWN THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND THE PARK SYSTEM AS WELL. NOW, AT THE POINT IN TIME, MARYSVILLE PARK SYSTEM WANTS TO TAKE IT OVER. WE'LL SPLIT OFF SOME MILLAGE AND LET YOU GUYS DO THAT IF YOU WANT, BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUT THAT BURDEN ON YOU GUYS. WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT OURSELVES ORIGINALLY, AND WE'VE COMMITTED ONE OF THE THINGS I COMMITTED TO IN IN THE DISCUSSION IS WE'D WORK WITH STAFF AND YOUR PARK SYSTEM, TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET OVER TO SCOTT'S FARM.

NOW, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE IN THE ROOM AT THAT LAST MEETING, HE OWNS THAT GROUND, AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH HIM, AND I WOULDN'T SAY HE'S TOTALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK HE'S WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. AND IF IT'S NOT HIM, THEN WE CAN OBVIOUSLY GO BEHIND SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON SQUARE DRIVE AND WORK WITH THEM, BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TIE THAT BECAUSE AS THE DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES IN MARYSVILLE EAST, WE ARE GOING TO LINK THAT ACROSS. AND I KNOW ONE OF YOUR BUDGET ITEMS THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST IS A $49 MILLION PARK IMPROVEMENT. AND TRAIL CONNECTING TO WHERE YOU WANT TO CONNECT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PIECEMEAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. MY GOAL WITH THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY IS TO ELIMINATE THAT INVOICE FROM THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTS IN THE FUTURE ON THE EAST SIDE. BY PUTTING THIS INTO THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, DOESN'T MEAN DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO FUND EVERY BIT OF IT, BUT THE BUSINESSES AND THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN THE FUTURE WILL FUND THOSE THINGS, WHICH EXCLUDES THE PAYMENTS HAVING TO BE MADE FROM THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE RESIDENTS HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REMEMBER MY PRESENTATION, I HAD A CHART IN THE BACK THAT SAID INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST, DEVELOPER FUND INFRASTRUCTURE RESIDENTS

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YEAH. IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO DO IT. THAT'S WHERE THE. THERE MIGHT BE CONSTERNATION.

MR. HAVE A QUESTION. SORRY. YOU WERE IT WAS YOUR. OKAY. SORRY. I'M GOING AWAY FROM THE PROCEDURAL MATTERS. THE I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE MOVED FURTHER TO THE NORTH. IS THAT CORRECT. NO. THE RETENTION. NO. THE DETENTION POND. WE HAVE A PLAN THAT THE DETENTION PONDS WOULD BE MOVED A LITTLE BIT FARTHER. NOW IT TAKES A BOATLOAD OF ENGINEERING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE GRAVITY FALL. YOUR PIPES NEED TO BE ENLARGED BECAUSE THE FARTHER YOU MOVE THAT AWAY, THE MORE THERE'S. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT SO I GUESS SO THE ROUNDABOUT NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT IS BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE SUB AREAS. I LOOKED AT THE 2023.

I THINK IT WAS ADOPTED AT THE END OF 2023. THE THOROUGHFARE MASTER PLAN SHOW AND I, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT WITH THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY. WHERE'S THE ROAD GOING TO GO THAT'S GOING TO BYPASS 33. AND KIND OF FOR IN THIS AREA THAT IS NOT THIS ONE. THAT IS NOT THIS, THIS IS A SEPARATE ROAD ALTOGETHER. YEAH. SO THERE WILL BE I WAS WONDERING IF THE ROUNDABOUT WERE TO MOVE. IS THAT GOING TO IMPLICATE YOU KNOW, BUT YOU SAID THE ROUNDABOUTS. NO NO NO NO. SO, SO THIS ROUND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A DEAD END WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU'VE GOT MILL CREEK ALL THE WAY AROUND AND IT'S SIGNIFICANT FALLS. YOU'VE GOT SOME I DON'T WANT TO SAY CLIFFS, BUT YOU HAVE SOME DEFINITE TOPO IN SOME AREAS DOWN TO THE RIVER OR DOWN TO THE CREEK AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. THIS ROUNDABOUT, THERE IS ANOTHER PLAN, A LITTLE BIT FARTHER TO THE EAST, WHERE IN ANNEXATION ONE, I MADE THE COMMITMENT THAT THERE WILL BE AN INFRASTRUCTURE ROAD THAT COMES OFF OF SCOTTS LAWN, COMES UP, WATKINS COMES OFF THE NORTH SOUTH PIECE OF WATKINS GOES TO THE EAST WEST PIECE OF WATKINS PIERCES THE RAILROAD TRACK LINE,

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NO VINYL LAP SIDING ON RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES AND WOULD VOTE ON THAT ONE SEPARATELY. THE OTHERS COULD BE COMBINED. OKAY, SO ROLL CALL THEN, MR. BARBIE. YES, MR. BURGER? YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. MR. ROUSH YES. MR. YES. MR. WOLF YES. SEVEN. YES.

AND BEFORE WE DO THAT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY SO YOU DO BELIEVE THAT WITHOUT VINYL SIDING, YOU CAN STILL MAKE THESE UNITS ACCESSIBLE AND ALSO, OUT OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE BUILT, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, THIS WILL PROBABLY BE THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE VINYL SIDING USED AS A PRIME PRIME, AS A PRIMARY USE OF MATERIALS. SINGLE FAMILY. YEAH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY SITES, KENMORE PLACE AND OTHERS THAT WE'RE USING, HARDIPLANK AT COPPER RUN AND OTHERS. BUT THE MULTIFAMILY IS IT'S PROBABLY MORE SO THAN LESS. BUT YEAH, WE WOULDN'T BE PROPOSING THIS IF WE DIDN'T FEEL WE COULD MAKE IT WORK. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO DO DO I HEAR A MOTION TO JUST KIND OF MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK? SO JUST FULL DISCLAIMER. I HAVE VINYL SIDING ON MY HOUSE. I WISH I DIDN'T, BUT SOME CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT VINYL SIDING ON HOMES AND BIG DEVELOPMENTS AND WHATNOT IS INCREASED LIKELIHOOD OF FIRES TO SPREAD BECAUSE OF THE KIND OF RATE AT WHICH IT BURNS. I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY EDUCATION ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. I THINK YOU GOT A GUY OVER THERE. I DO NOT I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT THERE. YEAH, I, I HAVE SEEN IT MELT. WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA THAT WOULD SHOW THAT IT WOULD SPREAD FASTER OR ANYTHING. I'VE NOT HEARD THAT. OKAY. OR DOES IT BURN HOTTER? I'VE JUST HEARD THAT IT BASICALLY PLASTIC BURNS DIFFERENT THAN A WOOD MATERIAL. YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DAMAGE SPREAD. IT'S GOING TO MELT. IT'S GOING TO MELT. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HOUSES ADJACENT TO IT MELT AND PROTECTED OR MAYBE EVEN CATCH FIRE. IT JUST HAS. IT'S MORE ROBUST TO TYPE TYPES OF THINGS LIKE FIRES. AND SO OF SPREADING.

WELL, I'M NOT THE EXPERT, THE EXPERT. BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING ME ABOUT A HARDI PLANK, WHICH IS A CEMENT BOARD VERSUS A PIECE OF PLASTIC, YEAH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO MELT AND BURN QUICKER THAN THE CEMENT BOARD. NOW, YOU GO BACK TO MY HOUSE WHERE I HAD 35 YEAR OLD CEDAR.

OH, I MEAN, IT'S A TINDERBOX. SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO WINS THAT FIRE, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO FIND OUT. BUT I MEAN, THERE'S PIECES AND I THINK THERE'S PROS AND CONS. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE PRO IS LIKE THE MAINTENANCE. WHAT YOU ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. I MEAN, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT, RIGHT? YOU GOT TO GET RID OF THE MILDEW HERE AND THERE. BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONS IS IF YOU EVER DO WANT TO UPGRADE YOUR HOUSE, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IT WOULD BE IF YOU WERE TO HAVE IT NEW, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO REDO A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE IT WASN'T EXACTLY BUILT TO REPLACE ALL YOUR TRIM. I LITERALLY JUST KIND OF ONCE YOU ALLOW THAT VINYL, I KNOW WE'RE GETTING IN THE WEEDS HERE, BUT ONCE YOU ALLOW THAT, IT'S REALLY KIND OF THERE'S NO NOT REALLY MUCH GOING BACK. THERE'S NOT REALLY CONVERTING IT. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. IT'S NOT REALLY COST EFFECTIVE. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT. IT'S NOT A SOUND INVESTMENT. YOU DON'T GET YOUR RETURN BACK WHEN YOU DO THAT TO A HOME. BUT YEAH, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. YEAH. ANYBODY ELSE? YOU KNOW I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE HARDIPLANK. I ALSO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCERNS FOR AFFORDABILITY. AND, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY HOPE IS HOWEVER THIS GOES THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WAY TO INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, THE HARDIPLANK AND THE NATURAL MATERIALS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT IN ALL OF THE HOMES, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT I WOULD I MARK, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF THE BUILDERS PROVIDE THIS OPTION OF VINYL AND THAT TO THE RESIDENTS TO CHOOSE BASED ON COST, IT WILL ALL BE VINYL. SO I WOULD I'M NOT PUSHING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER HERE, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE THAT PIECE. AND I WISH WE'D HAD DONE THAT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I PUSHED BACK AGAINST PLANNING COMMISSION. I PUSHED BACK AGAINST STAFF. SHE'S GRINNING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF VINYL. I WILL BRING YOU A PRODUCT. NOT

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[03:25:06]

YEAH, IT'S I TOTALLY AGREE. SO BART HAS COME IN. HE HAS GIVEN US AN A PLAN THAT WAY SUCCEEDS ANY STANDARD THAT MARYSVILLE HA. HE HAS PROVEN TO US THAT YOU CAN HAVE NICE DESIGN STANDARDS AND KEEP STILL. KEEP IT AFFORDABLE. THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT MARYSVILLE CAN LOOK INTO. IS IT IS IT 100% WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS? NO. IS IT BETTER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE PROPOSED? AND PROBABLY THE LAST TEN YEARS? ABSOLUTELY. AND I WILL TELL YOU, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WILL VOTE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE BART HAS GONE UP AND BEYOND, AND HE HAS PROVEN EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE STANDARDS AND PLANT A THOUSAND SAPLINGS AND GO AFTER SIDEWALKS AND STREET TREES AND ALL THESE THINGS WITHOUT TRULY BUILDING $1 MILLION HOME. AND THAT'S COMING FROM SOMEBODY WHO DOES HAVE VINYL SIDING ON THEIR 125 YEAR OLD HOME. SO. YOU STILL NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE LAST LINE. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE.

THERE HASN'T BEEN A MOTION MADE. OKAY. NOT A MOTION MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE LINE. OKAY. SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE I SHOULD MAKE THE MOTION THAT. BUT WHO WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE IT FORWARD? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE ALL PRIMARY EXTERIOR MATERIALS SHALL BE NATURAL CEMENT OR COMPOSITE BULLET POINT LISTED THERE ON THE SCREEN FOR A VOTE TO INCLUDE ROLL CALL. MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER? YES. MR. REMES YES. MR. RAUCH NO. MR. BORDNER NO. MR. WOLF. NO. MR. BURPEE, NO. ALL RIGHT. MOTION FAILS. SO NOW, MR. BURGER, IF THERE AREN'T ANY MORE MOTIONS TO AMEND THAN THAN THE LEGISLATION COMES BACK RIGHT NOW FOR SECOND READING, AS AMENDED. OKAY. AND THEN AFTER YOU TAKE THIS AND COMMENTS AND COUNCIL COMMENTS, IT WOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD TO THIRD READING. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE TABLING OF THE ANNEXATION BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TABLED. SO WAS THAT TABLED FOR THE WORK SESSION OR FOR THE NO. THAT WAS TABLED FOR THE NOVEMBER 12TH. BUT IF WE DO SECOND READING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT THEN WE COULD RECONSIDER THE TABLING OF THE ANNEXATION VOTE ON IT TONIGHT, WAIVE THIRD READING ON WHAT WE JUST DID AND VOTE ON IT TONIGHT AS WELL. OKAY. YEP, YEP. BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND. FIRST WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS LEGISLATION AS AMENDED. OKAY. SO THEN I GO BACK TO ORDINANCE. OH NO NO WE'RE STILL ON THE REZONING. THE LAST ORDINANCE. SO IT'S BEEN AMENDED.

AND NOW SINCE IT'S BEEN AMENDED AT THIRD READING, IT GOES BACK TO SECOND READING. OKAY. WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO CITIZENS DO CITIZENS HAVE ANY I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO BACK TO SECOND. NO, NO IT IS SECOND. THIS IS YEAH. WE'RE IN SECOND READING OKAY. SO THEN DO CITIZENS HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, OKAY. I MOVED TO WAIVE THIRD READING. OKAY. IS THAT IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. SO WE AND THEN WE GO BACK. YEP. WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS. COUNCIL HAS NO MORE COMMENTS. SO SECOND READING HAS BEEN HANDLED. NOW WE CAN YOU YOU CAN MOVE TO WAIVE THIRD READING AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ONE. OKAY. GO BACK TO OH OH OKAY. SO ALL RIGH.

RIGHT. SO ROLL CALL MR. HUNTER. YES. SORRY. WHICH ONE ARE WE VOTING. WE'RE WAVING. THIRD READING. THE MOTION IS WAIVED. THIRD READING OF ORDINANCE P, WAIVE THE REZONING. CORRECT.

YES. OKAY. YES. MR. REMES YES. MR. RAUCH YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLF. YES. MR. BURPEE YES.

MR. BURGER YES. SEVEN. YES. SO YOU NEED TO MAKE THE NOW IF WE WANT TO PASS THIS LEGISLATION TONIGHT, THEN THEN WHOEVER VOTED EVERY ANYBODY BUT JR CAN VOTE TO RECONSIDER THE ORDINANCE. P YOU'RE RIGHT WE ARE. BUT CAN YOU PASS ORDINANCE. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO PASS IT UNTIL WE PASS THE ANNEXATION. SO SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION TO HEAR THE RECONSIDERATION OF THE PREVIOUS PIECE OF LEGISLATION. MR. THE VOTE TABLING ORDINANCE. OH, TO NOVEMBER 12TH. AND JUST TO

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SEVEN. YES, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO PASS ORDINANCE. OH, MR. RAUCH, YES. MR. YES. MR. WOLF, NO. MR. BURBY YES. MR. BURGER YES. MR. HUNTER. NO. MR. REMES YES. FIVE. YES. SO THAT

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[COMMENTS OF THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL PERSONS AND GENERAL DISCUSSION]

THIS THURSDAY'S TRICK OR TREAT, PLEASE BE CAREFUL. MAYBE ON THAT NOTE OF STREET LIGHTS, PLEASE BE CAREFUL. CAN'T REITERATE THAT ENOUGH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. MISS, MISS MINOR. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY I THINK THAT SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD, IS DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME. SO DON'T FORGET TO GET YOUR EXTRA HOUR OF SLEEP. IS IT SATURDAY? WELL, IT'LL BE 2 A.M. OKAY. YES.

SUNDAY. SATURDAY? YEAH. WHERE WERE YOU AT, MR. WOLF, I JUST REMIND EVERYONE TO GET OUT AND VOTE, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. YOU KNOW, THROUGH NOW, THROUGH SUN OR NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT TOMORROW THROUGH SUNDAY AND THEN ELECTION DAY NEXT TUESDAY. MR. BURBY, NO COMMENT. AND I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT FOR TONIGHT EITHER. THANK YOU. I'D MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR

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