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WE TURN THE MICROPHONES ON, PLEASE? GOOD EVENING. IT IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024 AT 6:31 P.M. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? PAGE ONE. HERE. BRET. HERE. HERE PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. NOW FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES. BUT WE APPROVED THE LAST MEETING MINUTES AT THE SPECIAL MEETING.
I DON'T SEE THE SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES. WE DO NOT. YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE MINUTES. YOU'RE GOOD.
ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. OR I COULD TEST TO SEE IF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY READ THEM AND ASK IF YOU WANT TO
[SWEARING OF CITIZENS & APPLICANTS]
APPROVE IT. ALL RIGHT, SO THEN THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SWEARING IN OF CITIZENS AND APPLICANTS. ANY CITIZENS OR APPLICANTS HERE THAT FEEL THAT THEY MAY BE SPEAKING AT ANY POINT TONIGHT. WE JUST ASK THAT YOU STAND UP, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. AND I'M GOING TO READ AN OATH AND AT THE END OF IT, SIGNAL BY SAYING, I WILL. AND THE WHOLE TRUTH UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION. THANK YOU, ENTHUSIASTIC BUNCH. YES, WELL, HE DIDN'T SAY PLEASE SIGNAL BY SAYING I WILL SO I DID AT THE BEGINNING. ALL RIGHT. CITIZEN COMMENTS. SO IF THERE ARE ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM, WE ASK THAT YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEA.THANK YOU. WHAT'S THIS? I CAN MAKE MY CASE. AND IT WAS LAST TIME. I STILL HEARD YOU STILL
[REPORT OF ADMINISTRATION]
WORKING WITH THEM? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. REPORT OF THE ADMINISTRATION. THE ONLY ITEM IS AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT DISPENSARIES FOR MARIJUANA, AND THAT WAS DENIED BY COUNSEL. SO WE HAVE TO ZONE THAT. AND SO WE HAVE PROVIDED AN UPDATED ZONE OR STAFF REPORT WITH AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE THAT WAS NOT ABLE TO BE IN THE LEGAL NOTICE. SO WE WOULD NEED TO ADD THIS ITEM ONTO THE AGENDA TONIGHT TO BE HEARD. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE IF YOU WANT TO READ THAT ITEM. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT AT THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, I'M SORRY, VOTE TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA. CORRECT? YEP. DO YOU WANT TO READ THE AGENDA ITEM AND THEN? SURE. THE AGENDA ITEM TO BE ADDED IF APPROVED TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1121.08 SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL IN MY DISTRICT. SECTION ONE, ONE TWO, 1.1 FOR LIGHT MANUFACTURING LMD DISTRICT. SECTION 1121.15 REGIONAL MIXED USE RMU DISTRICT. SECTION 1123. GENERALLY APPLICABLE DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND THE APPENDIX. GLOSSARY OF TERMS. MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THIS TO THE FRONT OF OUR NEW BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ONE I'M NOT SURE. DO WE NEED A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT JUST IN CASE. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MISS LAW? YES. MR. ABEL. YES. MR. FISHER? YES. MR. DICKERSON? YES. MISS BERGUS? YES. MR. WOLFOWITZ. YES. MR. SULLIVAN. YES. OKAY, SO WE HAVE ADDED THAT TO THE AGENDA.SO AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAD DISCUSSED IF THE PROHIBITION DID NOT HAVE ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR DISPENSARIES AND. AND READ THROUGH THE SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING INNOVATION LATE MANUFACTURING AND REGIONAL MIXED USE. AGAIN JUST TO CLARIFY FOR FOLKS HERE. WE HAVE TO ADD ZONING VERBIAGE OR ELSE IT COULD BE THE WILD WEST. YOU KNOW, SO IT IS TO PUT REGULATIONS ON IT. AND SO THAT IS THE INTENT. IT WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE. SO
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ANYONE WISHING TO OPEN A FACILITY, A DISPENSARY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION FOR, FOR APPROVAL AS WELL AS OF COURSE MEET ALL STATE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE LIKE 500FT AWAY FROM PARKS, CHURCHES, SCHOOLS. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ONE MORE. SO PLAYGROUNDS, CHURCHES, PLAYGROUNDS. YES. SO THERE HAVE BEEN SOME IS FOCUSED ON THE CULTIVATION AND PROCESSING. SO AS JEFF STROLLS THROUGH HERE, WE CAN SHOW YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT WAS ADDED TO THAT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TEXT. YEAH. SO WE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, WE DISCUSSED JUST KIND OF DOING WHAT WE DID LAST MEETING WITH THE CULTIVATION, PROCESSING AND BUT WE'RE GOING TO LUMP ALL THREE INTO ONE AMENDMENT. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE COUNSEL REMOVE THE ONE THAT WENT TO COUNSEL LAST MEETING. SO THIS WILL JUST BE ONE AMENDMENT. SO JUST TAKES A MAJORITY VOTE THERE AT COUNSEL. SO WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED WE HAVE THE ADULT USE CANNABIS DISPENSARY MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY AND SEED. AND THEN FOR MANUFACTURING INNOVATION DISTRICT WE HAVE THE ADULT USE CANNABIS CULTIVATION AND PROCESSING FACILITIES. MEDICAL MARIJUANA AN LMD AND THEN FOR RMU, WE ADDED ADULT USE CANNABIS DISPENSARY AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY FOR CONDITIONAL USES IN THOSE DISTRICTS. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THEN WE ADDED A SECTION 1123 .32 GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR ADULT USE CANNABIS AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA OPERATORS. THESE ARE SIMILAR TO LAST MONTH. SO WE HAD THE NON AGRICULTURAL USE. WE ALSO HAD THE ZONING DISTRICTS. WE ADDED C FOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS. THIS CAME UP IN SOME DISCUSSION ON WOULD THEY BE PERMITTED IN PUDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED OR NOT. SO TALKING TO A LOT OF DIRECTOR, WE ADDED THIS SECTION. SO THEY ARE NOT JUST A PERMITTED USE IN THEIR THOSE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN AMENDMENT PROCESS. THE CURRENT APPROVED ONES OR ANY MOVING FORWARD, OR THAT HAS TO FOLLOW THE CITY'S AMENDMENT PROCESS. SO WE ADDED THAT TO IT.THE CULTIVATION, PROCESSING OR DISPENSARY. WE HAVE THE OHIO REVISED CODE, SECTIONS THREE, SEVEN, EIGHT, ZERO AND 3796 LISTED IN THERE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE 500FT FROM CHURCH PUBLIC LIBRARY, PUBLIC PLAYGROUND PUBLIC PARK OR SCHOOL. AND THEN ONE THING WE ADDED WAS THE DISTANCE FROM OTHER DISPENSARIES. WE WERE PROPOSING 1000FT OF A PARCEL FROM AN EXISTING DISPENSARY. OR A CO DISPENSARY. IT'S MEASURED FROM THE SHORTEST STRAIGHT LINE, FROM PARCEL LINE TO PARCEL LINE. JEFF, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THAT? ANY OTHER BUSINESSES IN TOWN? I DON'T THINK SO. NOT CURRENTLY. DO YOU FORESEE RAISE A RED FLAG FOR THAT IS THE STANDARD LANGUAGE IN OTHER. YES.
YES. SO MAYBE NOT OURS, BUT YES, THAT IS GETTING USED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. OUR KIND OF BASIS FOR THIS LANGUAGE THAT WE CAME UP WITH CAME FROM LUCY, WHICH THEY HAD DONE. THE PRESENTATION HERE. SO THEY'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITIES WITHIN OUR REGION TOWNSHIPS, VILLAGES, MUNICIPALITIES. SO I BELIEVE DELAWARE HAS WRITTEN THIS WAY. I AGREE WITH THE RULE.
I JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS. YEAH, THE ONE THE CHANGES COULD BE THE DISTANCE. SO THAT'S KIND OF A TALKING POINT IF YOU WANT IT LESS OR FURTHER AWAY. WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT. SO THEY WEREN'T JUST, YOU KNOW THE TWO BECAUSE THE NEXT ITEM IS THE TOTAL DISPENSARIES PERMITTED, WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING TO NO MORE THAN TWO DISPENSARIES IN THE CITY. BUT THE 1000FT, IT WOULD KIND OF MAKE THEM THINGS LIKE THAT. CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT THOUSAND FEET? ABOUT HALF A CITY BLOCK. FOR REFERENCE, IF YOU'RE OUT ON COLEMAN'S CROSSING, THE BUILDING THAT HAS JIMMY JOHN'S, THOSE TWO BUILDINGS WITHIN THAT KIND OF ONE DEVELOPMENT THERE, IF YOU WENT FROM ONE BUILDING TO THE SECOND BUILDING FROM END TO END, THAT WAS LIKE, I THINK 900FT OR 800FT. JUST AS A REFERENCE, IT WAS ASSUMING ONE WASN'T ALL THE WAY AN END CAP. YOU COULD
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PROBABLY YOU COULD ONLY GET ONE IN THAT STRIP. YES. AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE MEASURED FROM THE PARCEL LINE. SO IF IT'S A BIG PARCEL AND IT'S IN THAT STRIP, IT'S NOT FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF. IT'S FROM THE PARCEL LINE. SO ITEM G ARE THERE ARE THERE LIMITATIONS IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES FOR DISPENSARIES. DO WE HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT FOR LIQUOR AND THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF LICENSE, I BELIEVE, FOR EACH COUNTY. THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE DOING A LIMIT ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DISPENSARIES, THOUGH I THINK REYNOLDSBURG, I BELIEVE THEY WERE JUST IN THE PAPER IS EITHER REYNOLDSBURG OR GROVE CITY. THEY WERE LIMITING IT TO TWO DISPENSARIES AS WELL. THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS. WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST HAVE ONE DISPENSARY. YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE WORRIED ABOUT A MONOPOLY. SO TWO DISPENSARIES. SO IT DOES ALLOW FOR A CO-LOCATION. SO IF YOU HAD A MEDICAL AND ADULT USE IN THE SAME BUILDING OR I GUESS CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER, THAT'D BE ONE DISPENSARY. AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER CO-LOCATION SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THAT'D BE THE TWO DISPENSARIES. BUT IF YOU HAD A MEDICAL JUST JUST A MEDICAL DISPENSARY, YOU COULD ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER. YOU COULD EITHER HAVE AND THEN ALSO ADDED IN THAT DRIVE THRUS FOR DISPENSARIES WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. NEXT QUESTION. I'M QUESTIONING WHY WE'RE LIMITING THE NUMBER.GRANTED, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THEM, BUT IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE GROUP, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF US ANYWAY. SECONDLY, IF YOU HAVE. SO WHAT YOU'VE BASICALLY DONE IS GIVEN THE FIRST TWO. SUPPOSE THAT TWO COMPANIES COME IN HERE, YOU'VE GIVEN THEM A PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, NOT ALLOWING THEM A NEWER COMPANY TO COME IN AT A LATER DATE. THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN IS YOU'RE LIMITING COMPETITION BY PUTTING NOW ON THERE. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. WITH THAT CONDITIONAL USE, THOUGH, THERE COULD MAYBE THE LOCATION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO THERE COULD BE A REASON WHY THOSE FIRST TWO. BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS WE WANT TO GET THAT FEEDBACK ON THAT DISTANCE. THOSE QUANTITY OF THEM AS WELL. SO MY CONCERN IS THE FIRST TWO THAT YEAH, ARE ABLE TO GET INTO THE CITY. YEAH.
YEAH. THEY'VE GOT A MONOPOLY. WELL IF IT'S THE SAME OWNER THEN. WELL DIDN'T YOU SAY IT COULD NOT BE THE SAME OWNER. NO. WE SAID TWO TO LIMIT MONOPOLIES. BUT IT DIDN'T SAY TWO. YEAH. WE DON'T I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING ON THE OWNERSHIP OF IT, WHICH IS A GOOD POINT. YEAH. SO WHILE I DON'T WANT TO SEE THESE ON EVERY CORNER, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT. YEAH, I SAID A NUMBER. I USE THE TERM SLIPPERY SLOPE, BUT CAN WE RAISE THE NUMBER. CAN WE RAISE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN. WOULD THAT BE A LOGICAL DON'T HATE THAT. YEAH I DON'T AROUND HERE. I'M NOT MARRIED TO IT. FOR. AND THEN A FEW THOUSAND FEET. EXACTLY. OR EVEN THREE. IN THAT WAY, YOU COULD HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, AT WHATEVER END OF THE CITY PEOPLE. IT'S ACCESSIBLE.
PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CAN GO TO WHATEVER PREFERRED LOCATION THEY'D LIKE TO GO TO. AND THAT WAY, WE'RE NOT LIMITING PEOPLE TO THE FIRST TWO. LIKE, HEY, CHAD, WHAT'S YOUR FEELING? YOU THINK THERE IS AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER? OR WHERE DO YOU FEEL THAT JUST BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL WE SHOULD HAVE A NUMBER. OKAY, JUST A DISTANCE. YES. OKAY. AND THE OTHER THING THAT ADDS INTO THAT EVEN WITH THAT DISTANCE, THE REQUIREMENT WHERE IT CAN'T BE NEAR A SCHOOL, THAT IS GOING TO PLAY A BIG PART AS THROWN ANOTHER OPTION OUT THERE WOULD BE IS WE COULD PUT A LIMIT ON IT. BUT BY WARD. YEAH, BUT. SO I WITH ALL OTHER DISTANCE REGULATIONS IN PLACE. BUT DOES THE WARD SEPARATION LINE ELIMINATE LIKE SO LET'S SAY YOUR WARD TO ON WARD ONE. I'M RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER OF WARD ONE. WHERE DOES THAT 2000FT GO THROUGH THAT WARD BOUNDARY, OR
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DOES IT RESET IT? NO, I THINK THAT WOULD STILL WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE 1000FT, 2000. WE'VE UPPED IT TO 2000. YEAH. WELL, HOW MANY WARD. THERE'S ONLY FOUR WARDS THAT. WELL, FIVE AREAS, BUT THERE'S FIVE WARDS. I'M SORRY. GO BY WARDS. OR YOU COULD GO BY DISTRICTS THAT WE. I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'VE GOT THE DISTRICTS ARE DISJOINTED. THE WARDS ARE AT A CONCERNED B WORDS ARE GOING TO CHANGE OVER TIME AS THE CITY INCREASES AS WELL. HOW SOON DOES THIS NEED TO GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL? DECEMBER DURING THE SUMMER MORATORIUM. YESTERDAY.YESTERDAY. I'M GOING TO JUST THROW OUT THERE TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD. SURE. MAYBE NOT HAVING A LIMIT ON NUMBERS AND MAYBE INCREASING THAT TO 2500FT. I DON'T THAT'S A NUMBER I'M PICKING OUT OF THE AIR, YOU KNOW. SURE. 2500 WOULD DEFINITELY KEEP THEM. NOT IN THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER. YES. RIGH. IT WOULD. DO YOU HAVE A. YEAH. USE YOUR GOOGLE SKILLS. OR METERS? I CAN'T DO THAT. THAT'S 2500. ALMOST HAD I GUESS YOU WANT TO THINK I AGREE WITH YOU, MIKE. 2500FT, NO LIMIT. I MEAN, THAT'LL AND THAT'S A LIMIT. THAT'S BIRDSEYE.
RIGHT? THAT'S A CIRCLE FROM THAT. YEAH. SO YOU CAN I MEAN, YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO.
YEAH, PAST COLUMBUS AVENUE. YEA. I THINK 2500FT. OKAY, SO 2500FT IS ABOUT HALF OF OUR MARKETABLE COLEMAN'S CROSSING. RIGHT. BUT THERE'S ONE IN MIDDLE OF COLEMAN'S CROSSING. AND THEN THERE'S MAYBE ONE ON COLEMAN. YEAH. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED THE RMU. IS THIS DARK MAROON COLOR? IS THE RMU THIS LIGHT PINK COLOR UP HERE BY MILL VALLEY OVER HERE. BY GREEN PASTURES IS THE SEED LOCATIONS. AND THEN THIS PURPLE ISH PINK COLOR THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO AMEND. BUT THOSE FOUR TOTAL DISPENSARIES SO GIVEN THE 2500 FOOT GUIDELINE, THAT WOULD BE FOUR TOTAL. WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO BE REALLY CREATIVE TO FIT THREE IN THAT SPACE. YEAH, I WOULD ACTUALLY BE SURPRISED BECAUSE OF CHURCHES AND PARKS. OH, YEAH. ON WEST FIFTH STREET. YEAH. IS THAT. NO, THAT'S A DIFFERENT COLOR OVER ON THE LEFT HAND SID.
LIKE FURTHER OVER PAST 33, THAT'S SCD. TECHNICALLY SCD. OKAY. BUT THE VERY BLUE HEART OF OHIO FISH AND GAME AREA. ABILITY TO DEVELOP THAT THE UTILITIES NEED TO GO OVER THERE AND.
GOTCHA. OKAY. BUT THAT'S. IS THAT THE LIGHT PINK? YEAH. OKAY. THAT COULD BE A LOCATION WHERE THERE WOULD BE ONE AS CONDITIONAL. YES. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THE FROM THE BOARD? I MEAN WE'LL VOTE ON IT AFTER CITIZEN COMMENTS, BUT CAN I? SURE. I THINK NO NUMBER IN 2500FT IS REASONABLE. THE OTHER RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE. JOHN.
ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK? WE KIND OF STOPPED AT THAT BULLET POINT. WAS THERE MORE OF THE. OH, I THINK THAT COVERED MOST OF THE NEW STUFF. THERE WAS JUST DEFINITIONS THAT WE UPDATED WITH THE CODE. OHIO REVISED CODE INTO THEM. IS THERE ANYTHING AFTER THE LIGHTING? NO. THE LIGHTING WAS THE SAME AS PRIOR. THE CULTIVATION FACILITIES HAVE A STRICTER LIGHTING STANDARD AND THEN THE OTHERS WILL FOLLOW OUR DESIGN REVIEW AND OTHER STANDARDS IN THE CODE. I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THE SIGNAGE ANY DIFFERENT? IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE FLAGS OUT FRONT SAYING NOW OPEN. AND SO. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S USUALLY FAIRLY MINIMAL ON THEIR SIGNAGE. OKAY. SINCE WE I THINK WE SAW THIS BEFORE. RIGHT. WHAT ARE THE STAFF COMMENTS OR ARE THERE ANY STAFF COMMENTS? NO. NO. NO STAF. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HIT
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EVERYTHING. SO ALL RIGHT. SO NOW OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. SEEING? NONE. OH. THANK YOU. OKAY. WINKLE WITH GATOR WINKLE PARTNERS, ADVICE I DIDN'T SEE IN THERE FOR YOUR PARKING. I'VE DONE SEVERAL OF THESE ACROSS THE STATE, SO HAVE A LITTLE EXPERIENCE IN THEM, SO I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT YOU GUYS LOOK AT YOUR PARKING, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU AND BEING AROUND THEM WHEN IT WAS JUST MARIJUANA, IT WAS JUST MEDICAL MARIJUANA. THERE WAS NEVER ENOUGH PARKING. SO JUST BE ADVISED THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU A LITTLE ADVICE THAT IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, I DON'T KNOW.AND IF THERE'S A STANDARD OUT THERE FOR THAT OR EXPERIENCE ON THAT ONE. BUT PARKING HAS BEEN COMPLETELY SHORT ON ANY OF THE ONES I'VE EVER VISITED OR DESIGNED AND STUFF ALONG THAT LINE. SO ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. I MEAN, EACH ZONING DISTRICT HAS THEIR OWN PARKING REQUIREMENTS. AND SO BUT WE'LL KEEP IT IN MIND IF AND WHEN THEY COME UP. I WAS ALSO GOING TO ADD BECAUSE THESE ARE CONDITIONAL USES, WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT WHEN THEY PICK A LOCATION AS WELL. WELL TO VOTE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE, WE MAY NOT HAVE A WE'LL BE ABLE TO SAY IF IT'S IF IT'S A NEW BUILDING. YEAH. BUT YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
COUNCIL MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. A SECOND. SECOND, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WITH THE CONDITIONS. MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, ELIMINATE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER. ELIMINATING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TWO. AND REPLACING IT WITH A MINIMUM DISTANCE OF 2500FT. WHO MADE THAT SECOND? WAS THAT. THAT WAS WRONG. OKAY. SORRY. MR. OFFICIAL HERE. THANK YOU. COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. NICKERSON? YES. I'M SORRY. MISS VERBOSE. YES. MR. WOLNIEWICZ. YES. MR. ENGEL. YES. MR. FISHER.
YES. MISS LAUB. YES. MR. STILLION. SO THE FIRST ITEM LISTED ON THE
[1. To hear an application for a Final Plat for Skybrook Section 3 Part 1 (Suburban Residential District) located along State Route 4 - U.S. Route 36 & Philip Herre Road.]
AGENDA. OUR SECOND ITEM IS TO HEAR THE APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAT FOR SKY BROOK. SECTION THREE, PART ONE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT LOCATED ALONG ROUTE FOUR, US ROUTE 36 AND PHILIP HARE ROAD. IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? I AM RILEY LAKE WITH CSO INCORPORATED AT 2800 CORPORATE EXCHANGE DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION FOR THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL. SECTION THREE OF THE SKY BROOK DEVELOPMENT IS FOR TOTAL FILL IN A CUL DE SACS THAT ARE EXTENSION OF STUB STREETS CONSTRUCTED WITH SECTION ONE AND TWO. SECTION THREE IS COMPRISED OF TRADITIONAL DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOME PRODUCT. SECTION THREE. PART ONE SPECIFICALLY CONTAINS 53 LOTS WITH THREE CUL AND CLARIFICATIONS THEY REQUESTED WITH THE PRIVATE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS, THE STORM SEWER WITHIN THE PRIVATE DRAINAGE EASEMENT SHOWN ON THE PLAT IS INTENDED TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS SECTIONS OF SKY BROOK ALREADY PLATTED. HOWEVER, WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER STAFF IF A DIFFERENT APPROACH NEEDS TO BE TAKEN PRIOR TO THE RECORDING OF THIS PLAT, WITH THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ALONG PHILLIP HERROD ROAD. THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG PHILLIP PEAR ROAD WAS SHOWN TO BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, WITH SCARBOROUGH SECTION ONE RECORDED PLAT, PRELIMINARY PLAT AND FINAL PLAT. LOT NUMBERS HAD A FEW DISCREPANCIES, BUT SINCE THE APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT VARIANCES WERE GRANTED WITHIN SCARBOROUGH SECTION TWO TO ALLOW FOR THE ATTACHED UNITS TO BE THEIR OWN LOT. AS A RESULT, WE REEVALUATED THE LOT NUMBERS WITHIN THE SCARBOROUGH DEVELOPMENT. THE FINAL PLAT LOT NUMBERS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE COORDINATED WITH THE CITY STAFF. IN DECEMBER OF 2023.AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PREVIOUSLY STATED COMMENTS AND CLARIFICATIONS. IF THERE ARE ANY. THANKS. I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD. YOU MAY WANT TO STAY UP THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'LL BE ANY QUESTIONS OR NOT, BUT ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE. YEAH. WHAT IS YOUR SYMBOL SAYING ABOUT THE STORMWATER? YOU CAN MAINTAIN IT ALL ON YOUR OWN SITE. AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED TO BE WITH THE HOA. THAT'S ALL I KNOW. I DO KNOW THAT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER. PRIOR TO
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THIS, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT WAS THE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED THAT TO DO THAT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. OKAY. I WOULD HAVE A QUESTION AS TO THE STORMWATER WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE PONDS. CAN WE FUTURE OR WHERE THE WATER DETENTION IS. CAN WE BRING THAT UP A CHANCE USING SECTION ONE AND SECTION TWO AS PAWNS. OKAY, BUT IF THE HOA IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THESE, WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR A DISCUSSION ITEM IS THAT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN WITH THE HOA DOWN THE ROAD AND IT GOES AWAY OR BECOMES DEFUNCT, I THINK THERE OUGHT TO. WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY ALLOWING AN EASEMENT GRANTED TO THE CITY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO IN THERE. SO IF THERE'S AN WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THIS IS WHAT THE CITY OF COLUMBUS DOES. IF THERE'S YOU'RE NOT MAINTAINING YOUR DETENTION PONDS, THEN THE CITY WOULD HAVE AN ILLEGAL EASEMENT TO GET INTO THOSE TO FIX OR DO THE MAINTENANCE AND THEN BACK CHARGE WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY. OKAY, I'M NOT AT LIBERTY TO GO INTO THAT. I WOULD HAVE TO THE ENGINEER. YEAH, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. YEAH, I THINK WE COULD ADD THAT MAYBE AS A CONDITIONAL ITEM THAT WE CAN DISCUSS HOW THAT POTENTIAL EASEMENT IN COORDINATION MOVING FORWARD ON THOSE PONDS WOULD WORK. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? AT THE YOUNG 425 WEST EIGHTH. AGAIN, I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK FORWARD AND PUT SOME EXITS ON PHILIP HARE. MAYBE NOT NOW, BUT FOR THE FUTURE. I MEAN, IF YOU CAN CHANGE STORMWATER, YOU CAN CHANGE THIS TOO. SO JUST MY THOUGHT AGAIN. WE'VE HEARD YOU BEFORE OTHERS THAT ALWAYS DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE THAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE BOARD? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE. COMMISSIONER. ALL RIGHT. SECOND. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. I WOULD ASK THAT WE PUT A CONDITION TO WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER. ALL RIGHT. WITH THE CONDITION MOVING FORWARD. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT AFFECT THESE PLOTS. BUT. OKAY. CONDITION TO WORK WITH CITY ENGINEER ON STORMWATER AND POSSIBLE EASEMENT. ALL RIGHT. DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR MOTIONS.CORRECT. DOES NOT. OKAY. SO COULD WE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. FISHER? YES. MISS VERBOSE? YES. MR. WOLNIEWICZ. YES. MR. ENGEL? YES. THANK YOU. ITEM IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION
[2. To hear an application for an Amendment to a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Development Plan for a development known as Cooks Pointe.]
FOR AMENDMENT TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS COOK'S POINT. IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? HI. CHRIS WINKLE WITH GATOR WINKLE PARTNERS, 19 541 DELAWARE COUNTY LINE ROAD AROUND MARYSVILLE, OHIO. SO WE ARE HERE TODAY TO OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE TALKED AROUND COOK'S POINT HERE ALREADY IN THE MEETING. SO OBVIOUSLY THE PUD FOR COOK'S POINT WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN AND ADOPTED AND APPROVED BACK IN 2008. AT THAT TIME, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN THERE, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF NON PERMITTED USES. THAT IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE LOT THAT'S INSIDE DON AND ROSE DRIVE THERE, SO IT'S A LITTLE PENINSULA LOT THERE. YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE ISLAND LOT I GUESS IS BETTER THING THERE. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE PUD THAT IS ACTUALLY ON ITS OWN IN THE PUD THAT IS SECTION D2. SO IT'S, ITS OWN LITTLE SECTION FROM ALL OF THE OTHER ONES. SO ALL THE OTHER ONES ALL HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT USES TO THEM. IT GOES FROM A TO E, I[00:30:03]
GUESS IS WHAT THEY'RE ALL DIVIDED UP INTO. SO WHAT WE ARE COMING HERE TODAY WITH THE, WITH A CLIENT THAT'S INTERESTED IN BUYING THAT PROPERTY. IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT TO ADD CHILD CARE IN AS A PERMITTED USE. ONE OF OUR BACKING FOR IT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY LOGISTICALLY LOOK AND YOU GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP, YOU GUYS HAD UP EARLIER, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, BACK IN MAYBE ON PHASE TWO. YOU KNOW, MAYBE PHASE THREE. SO YOU'RE MAYBE AT 600 HOMES OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT. HOW MANY IS IT UP TO NOW? YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY YOU'VE GOT THERE. YOU LOOK AT THE PULTE DEVELOPMENT WITH 300 HOMES INTO IT. YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, YOUR GUY JUST CAME THROUGH. WHAT A MONTH AGO OR WHATEVER FOR THE FROM COOK'S POINT DEVELOPMENT UP TO AMRINE WOODS AND WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT IS YOUR DEVELOPMENT THERE AND HOW MUCH MORE RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO BE IN THAT AREA? REALISTICALLY, IN THAT AREA TODAY, I THINK THERE'S ONLY TWO CHILDCARE PLACES IN THE IN THAT AREA. AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR CODE FOR SCD AND SPD, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? SUBURBAN? I'M SORRY, I CAN'T THINK OF IT. IT'S COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. IT'S SD THAT'S RIGHT. SO EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE ONES AND HOW THEY'RE PERMITTED IN THERE, IF YOU GO IN THAT REALISTICALLY AND LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S GOT COMPLETE DEVELOPMENT GOING UP THERE OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS UP THERE. BUT REALISTICALLY, THERE'S VERY LITTLE OF THOSE DISTRICTS IN HERE. SO WE THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A NEED INTO THAT PART OF MARYSVILLE BY, YOU KNOW, ADDING THAT IN THERE WE HAVE ONE SOMEBODY INTERESTED. SO WE'RE PUTTING IT ON JUST THAT D2 SUB, JUST THAT D2 SUB AREA, YOU KNOW, SO IT HELPS OUT YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF THAT'S BEEN POSTED ABOUT OUR MEETING TODAY AND I MEAN IT'S EVERY POST I THINK WAS POSITIVE OF SAYING, HEY GOOD. WE NEED MORE OF THAT AROUND HERE IN THAT AREA. AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR OPINION ON CHANGING THAT, ADDING THAT IN AS A PERMITTED USE IN SECTION D2. OKAY. NOW THAT VERBIAGE IS THAT DEFINED IN OUR CODE CLASS A AND CLASS B, OR IS THAT JUST STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT I. WELL, I'LL LET YOU ANSWER FIRST. I DON'T BELIEVE WE OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE DO. YES. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. SO I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS BETWEEN A CLASS A AND CLASS B. DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T AGE. I'M SORRY. AGE. MAYBE. OKAY. OR DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION THERE, PLEASE, FOR A AND B? THANK YOU.JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, WHAT WE'RE APPROVING. APPROVING? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DON'T SEE ANY FLAGS WITH IT. JUST. YEAH. I MEAN, IF I DON'T KNOW THAT IT COMES UP, THEN MAYBE. THERE IT IS. THERE IT IS. YEAH, EXACTLY. OH, B IS RESIDENT IS A IN-HOME DAYCARE.
YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE. YEAH. SO TYPE B IS NOT REALLY WE SHOULD TAKE B OUT APPLICABLE I KNOW THIS IS PREMATURE, BUT WHEN, IF AND WHEN A DAYCARE DOES GET OKAYED ON THIS LOT, THE ENTRYWAY WOULD NOT BE ON COOK'S POINT, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE AROUND THE LOOP ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, HOPEFULLY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT TODAY. CORRECT. YES. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A SAMPLE SITE PLAN, AND I GAVE YOU A SAMPLE ELEVATION OF OUR CLIENT JUST SO YOU COULD HAVE THAT. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT APPROVING THAT TODAY. SURE I UNDERSTAND. NO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANYTHING ON COOK'S POINT. OKAY. THAT'S THE INTENT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS TO NOT HAVE ANY CURB CUTS OUT THERE. SO. YEAH. SO YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE THAT I MEAN REALLY DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY REALISTICALLY WE'RE ASKING FOR IT ON D2 ONLY. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S NOT REALLY APPLICABLE ONCE WE DO THIS ONE UNLESS WE'RE BUILDING A HOUSE ABOVE BIG B WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED ANYWAYS. IT'S NOT REALLY GOING YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT I WAS SHOCKED THAT IT WASN'T ALREADY PERMITTED THERE. YEAH. YEAH. IT BEING SO LONG AGO, I KIND OF WONDER THE HISTORY OF WHY IT WAS SPECIFICALLY. PROBABLY TAKE A GUESS, BUT BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WELL NEEDED. I AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE FEEL. IT FEELS WELL NEEDED WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE HOUSING UP IN THIS AREA FOR SURE. SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO READ THIS ON THE FLY. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHILDCARE. YEAH. THANK YOU. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TYPE A AND
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DAYCARE CENTER TYPE A STILL SAYS THE PERMANENT RESIDENCE TYPE A, SO IT'S REALLY CHILDCARE CENTER.OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF TYPE A AND TYPE B AND JUST DO CHILD CARE CENTER BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH PERMANENT RESIDENT. I THINK TYPE A MAYBE THEY HAVE EMPLOYEES AT THEIR HOUSE. THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO ME. YEAH. SO JUST A CHILDCARE CENTER. SO I WAS SO YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. AND JUST MODIFY IT TO JUST CHILD DAYCARE CENTER. RIGHT? PERFECT.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? SEEING. NONE. ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE BOARD? WISH I MAKE A MOTION TO ADD ONLY CHILD DAYCARE CENTER TO THE PERMITTED USES IN THE COOK'S POINT AREA. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND D2 SECOND? ALL RIGHT. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. FISHER? YES. MR. LOFFLER? YES.
MR. YES. MR. JACOBSEN. YES. MISS BERGUS? YES. SORRY. YES. MR. ENGEL. YES SHE WAS TRYING TO GET MY ATTENTION. I, I MOUTHED SOMETHING TO HER AND THEN YOU CALLED HER NAME, AND SHE WAS LIKE, THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU GUYS ARE ON THE ENDS. SEPARATIO.
[3. To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Sketch Plan application for a development known as Trails at Weaver Road Development located at 14373 Weaver Road.]
ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO LET'S SEE TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS TRAILS AT WEAVER WEAVER ROAD DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 14373 WEAVER ROAD. IS THERE. AND I BELIEVE YOU ARE. YEAH. I MUST RECUSE MYSELF. OKAY. IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? HE WAS NOT SWORN IN. ALL RIGHT. YOU CAME IN AFTER SWORN IN. ALL RIGHT. SO. ALL RIGHT. SO YOURSELF AND ANYONE ELSE CAME IN AFTER DID THE SWEARING IN? IF YOU WANT TO STAND UP, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK.UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION SIGNAL BY SAYING I WILL, I WILL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S 101.7 ACRES. THIS IS JUST SOUTH OF THE EXISTING WEAVER RIDGE SUBDIVISION. I KNOW THE COMMISSION'S PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY. IT JUST WENT THROUGH KIND OF AN APPLICATION PROCESS. NOT TOO LONG AGO. THAT APPLICATION PROCESS ULTIMATELY WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL. I'M WORKING WITH A CLIENT WHO HAS RECENTLY PICKED THIS UP, AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND COUNCIL MEMBER TO KIND OF LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE COULD KIND OF REORGANIZE THIS AND SEE IF WE COULD GET THIS PROPERTY TO MOVE FORWARD. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS IT'S PRETTY MUCH A BLANK VERY LITTLE VEGETATION ON IT.
AND SO EVERYTHING IN THIS PROPERTY, I GUESS IF YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, EVERYTHING IN THIS PROPERTY KIND OF DRAINS TOWARDS THE CENTER DOWN TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAVE THE PROPOSED POND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE KIND OF THE MAJORITY OF THE STORMWATER. SO ALL OF THE DRAINAGE FLOW KIND OF REALLY RUNS IN THAT DIRECTION. THERE WAS A QUESTION WE DID RECEIVE THE STAFF REPORT. WE READ THROUGH THE COMMENTS. WE AGREE TO ALL OF THOSE STIPULATIONS. I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ON WHAT THE KIND OF THE BLUE LINE MEANT. NOTHING SPECIFIC. ALL WE WERE TRYING TO DO REALLY, WAS TO KIND OF SHOW THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF THE OF THE FLOW OF WATER ACROSS THE SITE. SO LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING REALLY KIND OF DRAINS TOWARDS THE MIDDLE. AND THEN KIND OF DOWN TO THE SOUTH THERE. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A SINGLE FAMILY LOTS FOR A DENSITY OF 2.5 UNITS TO THE ACRE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT WAS ALSO TO KIND OF ACCOUNT FOR WHAT THE ACREAGE OF THAT STORMWATER POND IS. THAT STORMWATER POND IS SIX ACRES. SO IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT, THE OPEN SPACE IS APPROXIMATELY 23 ACRES. WITHOUT THAT POND, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 23% OF OPEN SPACE. IT IS A MIX OF LOT SIZES. SO THIS IS A MIX OF 55, 65 AND 70 FOOT
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LOTS. AND THEN WHAT WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO DO IN TERMS OF THE OPEN SPACE IS JUST TO CREATE SOME CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE OPEN SPACES. ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS FROM STAFF IS ALSO TO CREATE SOME CONNECTION ALSO TO THE EXISTING WEAVER RIDGE SUBDIVISION WITH OUR PATH, SO THAT FOLKS FROM WEAVER RIDGE COULD ALSO CONNECT UP SOME OF THOSE PARKS. WE DID GET KIND OF THE COMMENT FROM STAFF ALSO ABOUT HAVING A WIDER PATH ON ONE SIDE AND A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT MOVING FORWARD. AND SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE TO DO TODAY IS JUST TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE SKETCH PLAN AND KIND OF FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IN US KIND OF ANSWERING OR LOOKING FOR KIND OF GOING FORWARD AS WE PUT TOGETHER A PUD APPLICATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. OKAY.ONE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT. NOT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SECOND ENTRANCE DOWN ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SECOND ENTRANCE OFF OF WEAVER. WE ALSO HAVE THE SECONDARY ACCESS. YOU KNOW, INTO THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISION WHERE THE STUBS ARE WERE REQUIRED TO CONNECT TO THOSE AS WELL. AND YOUR SIDEWALK IS GOING TO CONTINUE FROM BUCHMEYER AND FROM WEAVER RIDGE DRIVE. AND JUST FLOW DIRECTLY ONTO YOUR WHAT A LOT ON THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND SIDE. THAT'S NOT YOURS TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT? THAT IS JUST DECORATION ON THE PHOTO. WELL WHICH ONE? BOTTOM LEFT OVER HERE. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO WHERE DO YOU GET 23 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE THEN. JUST TO THE OPEN SPACES THAT ARE INCLUDED. KIND OF IN THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE OPEN SPACE DOWN TO THE SOUTH AND THEN THE OPEN SPACES THAT YOU SEE KIND OF MOVING FORWARD. SO WE DID NOT COUNT THE TWO SMALLER PONDS IN THAT OPEN SPACE. I'M TRYING TO JUST DO THE IS THIS THE SCALE? IS THIS PHOTOGRAPH THE SCALE? IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. IS IT THAT POND SIX ACRES, RIGHT. THAT MEANS FOUR OF THOSE PONDS SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIT IN THE GREEN SPACE. I DON'T DO WE HAVE A DO WE HAVE A WHAT? THESE GREEN SPACES. I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S 23 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE. WE CAN VERIFY THAT FOR YOU AS WE GO BACK THROUGH. YEAH. AND THE WALKING TRAIL. IS IT GOING TO BE LIT OR NOT LIT? THE WALKING TRAILS. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THAT. YOU KNOW, OUR PREFERENCE IS PROBABLY LEAVE THEM UNLIT. AND THE RED LIGHTS ARE 65. THOSE ARE THE 70 FOOT LOTS OVER THERE. 70 FOOT SCROLL. MY BAD. SO THE MAJORITY OF YOUR LOSS ARE THE 50. THE 66 LOTS? 60. IT'S A PRETTY EVEN SPLIT BETWEEN THE 55 AND 66. AND THEN THE 70S ARE PRIMARILY LOCATED IN THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE. AND DO YOU JUST. I KNOW THIS IS PREMATURE, BUT DO LOTS LIKE THE TAN LOTS ARE GOING TO BE A SPECIFIC HOUSE TYPE. THE ORANGE LOTS AND THE RED LOTS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. HOUSE TYPES. IN TERMS OF I THINK STYLE, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE FAIRLY SIMILAR. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE LARGER LOTS WILL ALLOW FOR THINGS LIKE A THIRD CAR GARAGE. YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT THE FOOTPRINTS, I'M GUESSING, WILL BE FAIRLY SIMILAR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, LIKE I SAID, MAYBE A THIRD CAR GARAGE OR EVEN ON SOME OF THE LARGER LOTS, YOU KNOW, OR THE CORNER LOTS. MAYBE YOU HAVE A SIDE LOAD GARAGE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE HOUSING WILL BE PRETTY SIMILAR THROUGHOUT. AND ARE THESE BASEMENT HOMES OR SLAB ON GRADE HOMES? I, I WOULD GUESS THAT MOST OF THEM ARE BASEMENTS. WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOT INTO IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS WITH BUILDERS YET, BUT YEAH, I WOULD ANTICIPATE BASEMENTS. I HAVE MY I KNOW PERSONALLY, I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH USING PUDS FOR RESIDENTIAL. BECAUSE WE HAVE PSD. BUT SO UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW, COMING WITH THE PUD. WE MY EXPECTATION. I'D LIKE TO THINK PERHAPS THE BOARD'S EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU EXCEED OUR MINIMUMS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. AND I UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE. YOU KNOW, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THEM. BUT AS WE PROCEED, YES, WE'D
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LIKE TO SEE, LIKE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING SPECIAL SINCE YOU'RE UTILIZING THE PUD. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THIS IS KIND OF A THIS IS KIND OF A QUESTION THAT WE, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, EVEN AS WE STARTED THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WITH THE CITY AND WE GOT INTO THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE I THINK WE HONESTLY COULD TO GO. ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. HE JUST SAID I'D BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IF THIS WAS A PUD. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED. IT WAS KIND OF THE DIRECTION WE FELT WE GOT AT THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE OTHER. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH OTHER APPLICANTS AND THEY, YOU KNOW, AND NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THEY LIKE IT MORE BECAUSE IT RAISES THE STANDARD. SO JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR. UNDERSTOOD. YEP. WE CAN CERTAINLY ACCOMMODATE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I JUST AM CURIOUS. IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR DECISION OR ANYTHING, BUT FOR RENT OR FOR SALE. HAVE YOU GUYS FOR SALE? OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN ARE YOU. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THOSE HOUSES ALONG YOUR DICKSON DRIVE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT THAT BACK UP, YOU KNOW, RIGHT TO WHERE. AND HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT ALL INTO LIKE THE EXISTING INTO THAT. WE HAVEN'T GOT INTO A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING PIECES OF IT. YEAH. FAIR ENOUGH. MY ONLY QUESTION IS THE GREEN SPACE WHICH IS SOUTH OF THE RESIDENCE.THERE. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A PARK, I THINK. IT'S FIVE ACRES. FIVE PLUS ACRES. OVER IN THE CORNER. YEAH. YEAH. WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT PARCEL? THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. YEAH, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. I THOUGHT THERE WAS TALK OF DONATING IT TO THE CITY AT ONE TIME. THE CITY HAS EXPRESSED NO INTEREST. SO THE QUESTION. THIS JUST BEING THE PUD. I'M GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE WILL OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. WE'LL PROBABLY CALL YOU BACK UP ONCE WE'RE THROUGH THE COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. SO ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON CATHY YOUNG FOR 25 WEST EIGHTH. SAME ISSUE AS SKY BROOK. YOU HAVE ONE LITTLE STUB. IF IT WASN'T FOR EDINA POINT, WEAVER RIDGE, WHATEVER THAT IS UP THERE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TWO ENTRANCES INTO THE SUBDIVISION. SO WHAT GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO ONLY HAVE ONE? AND THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING ON THE SOUTH, THERE'S THREE. FOR FUTURE FOR FUTURE.
YEP. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S VALID. LET'S JUST LET IT ALL. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THERE IS A STUB ON THE SOUTH. THERE'S ONE LIKE IF YOU BACK IT OUT, THERE'S ONE DOWN HERE. YEAH. YOU GOT ONE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF IT? YOU OKAY? GOOD EVENING. AMY POTTER, GRAM 14 294. WEAVER. THIS IS FOR THE DEVELOPER. I REALLY LIKE THE 70 FOOT LOTS. THE NEIGHBORS WOULD REALLY LIKE THE 70 FOOT LOTS THAT ARE SOUTH OF THERE. THAT'S JUST AN ONGOING COMMENT. THANK YOU. OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE PODIUM. WE'LL TALK THROUGH THE CHAIR. WE DID GET SOME EMAIL COMMENTS FOR SOME CITIZENS THAT COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT. SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU, IF THAT'S OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WERE SHARED WITH YOU. WE HAD RECEIVED THEM FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT ASKED. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS WITH IT BEING SHOULD BE COMPARED TO WEAVER RIDGE THAT VARY FROM 70 TO 90FT, THAT THIS IS MINIMUM OF 55FT. BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, ADINA POINT RANGES FROM 55 TO 70FT FOR MINIMUM LOT SIZE OR LOT WIDTH. WEAVER RIDGE RANGES FROM 70 TO 80FT. MINIMUM LOT WIDTH ON THE TRAILS RANGES
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FROM 55FT TO 70FT. FOR THAT, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTALS THAT HAD BEEN HEARD ON THIS PROPERTY, THEY WERE 55FT WIDE BY AND 66FT WIDE. THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS A MINIMUM OF 52FT AND THEN WENT UP TO 60FT. THEN NEXT COMMENT FROM THEM WAS THE DENSITY OF THE A DATA POINT DENSITY IS 2.50 UNITS PER ACRE. WEAVER RIDGE IS 2.57 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.THE PREVIOUS ONES WERE 2.79 AND 2.93. THIS ONE IS 2.45 UNITS PER ACRE. AND ALSO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR ADINA POINT WAS 5500FTS AND 9100FT■!S. WEAVER RIDGE IS 9100FT■!S AND 11,200FT■!S. THE TRAILS THAT WEAVER RIDGE RANGE FROM 7150FT■!S FOR THE 55 LOTS FEET LOTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BY 130FT MINIMUM DISTANCE. THEN 8580FT■!S MINIMUM FOR THE 66 FOT WIDE LOTS AND 9100FT■!S FOR THE0 AND 30FT MINIMUM DEPTH. SO JUST KIND OF IN THAT THAT RESEARCH WE DID OF THE OTHER EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS, THIS IS LOT SIZES ARE KIND OF IN LINE. A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN SPACE HERE, A LITTLE BIT LESS DENSE. SO JUST JUST AS A REFERENCE THEY HAD QUESTIONS ON THE IMPACT ON MARYSVILLE SCHOOLS. SO WE WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT THE DEVELOPER MEETS WITH THE SCHOOLS. AND DISCUSS THAT DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF IT. THERE'S QUESTIONS ON WHO THE DEVELOPER IS. IF THEY HAVE A HOME BUILDER PICKED OUT YET. THERE'S A QUESTION ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM A RESIDENT. WAS REGARDING THIS ENTRANCE HERE. THERE WAS CONCERNS THAT THIS CURVE IS KIND OF A BLIND CURVE. THEY'RE AND OUR STAFF REPORTS. WE DID HAVE A COMMENT FROM THE CITY ENGINEER TO HAVE A SITE ACCESS TRIANGLE STUDY DONE FOR THAT. WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS ACCESS MOVING TO THE SOUTH TO BE FARTHER AWAY FROM THAT CURVE. SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR ENGINEERING COMMENTS. SO THIS IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS ACCESS MIGHT NOT NOT WORK DEPENDING ON WHAT THIS STUDY THAT THE ENGINEER'S REQUESTING COMES BACK. SO IT MIGHT HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE. SO THAT COULD CHANGE SOME OF THE LAYOUTS IF THAT DOES HAPPEN. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO LOOK AT.
AND THEN ONE THING THAT MIGHT NOT BE SAFE TO HAVE TWO OUTLETS RIGHT THERE. THAT LOCATION OF THAT ACCESS MIGHT BE NOT SAFE. SO THEY WOULD JUST AT A SLOW DOWN LANE. THEY JUST THEY WOULD JUST HAD A WIDEN THE ROAD POSSIBLY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY BELMONT LOOSE. THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM SOME RESIDENTS THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE MEETING TONIGHT. SO SORRY. I THINK WE HAD ONE OTHER ONE WAS MAYBE TO A REQUEST TO EXPLAIN OR EVALUATE THE FIRST SIX LOTS AT THAT ENTRANCE, AND IF THOSE COULD BE RELOCATED, REMOVED. ON THAT ENTRY IN. AND I THINK THAT QUESTION CAME FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR. I BELIEVE. WHAT'S THE WHAT WOULD BE THE REASONING IF IT LINES UP WITH THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH. BUT I'M NOT I WE DIDN'T GET THAT. BUT YEAH, THAT WAS OUT LOUD INSIDE THOUGHTS. IF WE MOVE THAT ENTRANCE, I MEAN IT'S POSSIBLE THAT FIXES ITSELF TO. BUT THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER MAY HAVE THE SAME COMMENT BACK UP A FEW MORE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. THEN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS INTO THE. YEAH, WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE NEED FOR SIGHTLINE STUDY THERE. AND WE'LL ABIDE BY WHATEVER THAT STUDY TELLS US. IF THAT INTERSECTION TURNS OUT NOT TO BE SAFE, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT IT THERE EITHER. SO WE'LL WE'LL REORGANIZE THE SITE, PLAN TO HAVE THE ENTRANCE TO THE SOUTH. THE REASON WE LOCATED IT THERE WAS BECAUSE IT GAVE US A LARGER
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AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE. YOU KNOW, ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO WE'LL CERTAINLY OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING PART IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY AND SIGHTLINE STUDIES. AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO WHATEVER THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TELL US, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. OKAY. AND THE THOUGHT OF HAVING TWO ENTRANCES OFF OF WEAVER WAS WAS THERE CONSIDERATION? THERE WAS. WE HAD KIND OF TALKED ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WAS JUST EATING UP A LOT OF OPEN SPACE WITH THAT SECOND ENTRANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY ABLE TO CONTAIN MOST OF OUR DENSITY INSIDE OF THAT PROJECT. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND TAKING AWAY FROM USABLE OPEN SPACE BY HAVING THAT SECOND ENTRANCE THERE. FROM OUR STANDPOINT, IF IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO MOVE THE ENTRANCE DOWN TO THE SOUTH, I THINK WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO THAT.BUT I THINK WE CAN COMFORTABLY SERVICE THE DEVELOPMENT ON ONE ENTRANCE. NOW, IF WE DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMES BACK AND TELLS US SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND REVISIT THAT. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. I MEAN, ADINA POINT HAS ONE, WEAVER RIDGE HAS ONE FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES. YEAH, YEAH.
YEAH. GOOD POINT. YOU KNOW, AND WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS MAP, IT KIND OF JUMPED OUT AT ME. YOU KNOW, AND THE DATA POINT. THE PROPERTY LINES KIND OF LINE UP. BUT WE WERE RIDGE DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT WIDER. SO PERHAPS CONSIDER MAYBE ON THOSE ENTRANCE ONES GO WITH A LITTLE BIT WIDER LOTS. MAYBE THOSE ARE 66 FOOT OR WHATEVER. IT ENDS UP BEING THE KIND OF MATCH UP. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD. YEAH, I THINK WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THE ONES BACKING UP TO LORENZO. YES, YES. YEAH. THOSE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO BE 66 FOOT MINIMUM. OH, THOSE ARE 66. OKAY. SO WHAT DID YOU SAY WE WERE WAS 70. 70 TO 80. OKAY. SO. WELL THOSE MINIMUM I GUESS THE INTENT OF MY COMMENT WAS TO, TO MATCH MATCH THE SIMILAR TO WHAT? WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. SO YES OF WANT YOU TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. TALK ABOUT IMPACT. AND SO THEY CAN DO PROPER PLANNING. DO YOU DO YOU HAVE THE QUESTION CAME UP? DO YOU HAVE A BUILDER CURRENTLY OR IS THAT YOU BEFORE. NOT CURRENTLY. I THINK THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION WITH A NUMBER OF BUILDERS. BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT BY THE TIME WE MOVE INTO THE ACTUAL APPLICATION, THAT WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY IN LINE. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME IN THE PROCESS, BUT COULD WE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CONDITION OR ENSURE THAT THE 55 FOOT LOTS ARE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE HOW YOU HAVE THEM? BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THE WIDER ONES ABUTTING THE OTHER PROPERTIES. AND YEAH, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT IT'D BE MORE OF A SUGGESTION. YEAH. AND SO WHEN THEY COME WITH A, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WAY IT'S DONE NOW IS KIND OF THING. YEAH. THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT WAY. BUT YOU KNOW, JUST YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY INTENT TO ON ADDRESSING THE STAFF COMMENTS. NUMBER TWO, TAKING CARE OF ANY ENGINEERING ISSUES AND WHATEVER THE TRAFFIC STUDY TELLS US. OKAY. ANY OTHER BOARD COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN? UNIT DEVELOPMENT SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION. I WILL MOTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CHAD. I HAVE A SECOND. I GOT HIM FOR YO, MR. FISHER. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. WILLIAM. YES.
MR. NICKERSON. YES. MISS BERGUS. YES. MR. LOFFLER? YES. MR. ENGEL. YES. MR. FISHER. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. LOOK FORWARD TO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WORKING WITH YOU SOMEONE SHOULD GET PAGE. THAT HE DIDN'T GET IT. I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE REST OF IT. OH, SORRY.
I THINK HE. I THINK, GARY, YOU MIGHT HAVE FORGOT YOUR YOUR NAME OR ADDRESS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE. I'M SORRY. GARY WAS SWEARING IN. YEAH. GARY SMITH, 720 EAST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WILL YOU GRAB ME A SLAB? GARY, WILL
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YOU GRAB THE COMMISSION? I CAN, WE'LL JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND FOR THE SLAB TO GET BACK IN. I MEAN URANUS. YES. I THINK SHE'S BEEN PULLING UP ON HER PHONE. OKAY.[4. To hear an application for a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code, Section 1121.15 Regional Mixed-Use District (RMU).]
ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1121.15 REGIONAL MIXED USE DISTRICT RMU. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. THIS IS TO PROPOSE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO REMOVE MULTIFAMILY FROM AS A USE THAT'S IN CURRENTLY A PERMITTED USE IN THE REGIONAL MIXED USE DISTRICT AND TO REMOVE IT COMPLETELY FROM THE REGIONAL MIXED USE DISTRICT. COULD YOU PULL UP THE MAP? I LOOKED AT IT EARLIER, BUT JUST FOR EVERYONE'S REFERENCE, I'M SURE EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT RMU IS. WHILE THE MAP IS BEING PULLED UP, I REALIZED THAT IT APPEARS THAT CITY COUNCIL'S REASONING IS TO REMOVE IT COMPLETELY. THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING TO REMOVE IT TO CONDITIONAL SO THAT WE CAN MONITOR THE GROWTH. WITH THAT DISCUSSED AT ALL, I DON'T BELIEVE MOVING IT TO CONDITIONAL WAS DISCUSSED, BUT IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO GO, THAT CAN BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT ACTUALLY GETS MOVED TO A CONDITIONAL USE. THEY'RE WITHIN RMU. THERE REALLY ARE NOT UNLESS SOMETHING'S GETTING DEMOLISHED AND THEN BUILDING NEW. THAT'S WHY I WOULDN'T WANT TO COMPLETELY. YEAH. SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VACANT PARCELS RIGHT NOW. THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT FOR COMING UP ON FOUR YEARS. AND IN THAT TIME THERE'S BEEN ONE. YEAH. WITHIN THE THAT DISTRICT. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT, BUT ALSO I THINK IT'S DOING MUCH, YOU KNOW. SO I WAS LOOKING LIKE ON WATKINS VERSUS LIKE TWO LOTS THAT POSSIBLY LIKE A SMALL LOT. SO. YEAH. THEN I GUESS ON THE VERY NORTH END OF COLEMAN'S CROSSING, THERE'S A COUPLE EMPTY LOTS, BUT THEY'RE SMALL. THE OTHER SIDE OF DELAWARE, CLOSER TO INDUSTRIAL. NO NO, NO. OH, OKAY. SORRY. OTHER SIDE OF TOWARDS DELAWARE.YEAH. LIKE THE LOTS ON THE UPPER LEFT THERE. LIKE THE VERY CORNER. YEAH. LIKE, PROBABLY NOT BIG ENOUGH TO DO MULTIFAMILY, BUT AS YOU SAID, BUILDINGS COULD BE DEMOLISHED. YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY EITHER WAY. AND THIS IS TOTALLY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. SO IT IS A SUGGESTION. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MAYBE WOULD LEAN KIND OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
IT'S MIXED USE BY DEFINITION. YOU KNOW, KIND OF YOU'RE REMOVING ONE OF THE MAIN TWO CONDITIONAL USE THINGS. I WISH I'D THOUGHT OF IT. FIRST, YOU DID. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. YEAH, I AGREE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THIS SAYING OTHER VIEWS FROM THE BOARD. ALL RIGHT.
OPEN UP TO CITIZENS. ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM OVER HERE. SO YOU SAID OH, SORRY. 425 WEST EIGHTH, CATHY YOUNG. THANK YOU. SO YOU SAID YOU'VE HAD ONE COME THROUGH AND HOW MANY YEARS? THE FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AS THE ONE THAT WE HAD, ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS A PUD, WHICH IS THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO MEYER. BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO WITHIN THAT DISTRICT OVER THE LAST 6 OR 7. IT CAME AS A PUD. YES. SO UNION SQUARE. YES, YES. THANK YOU. SO WHY CHANGE IT? WHAT'S THAT? WHY CHANGE IT? I MEAN, I.
YEAH. I THINK CHANGING IT CONDITIONAL USE IS APPROPRIATE. AND THEN AGAIN, IN A MIXED USE, WHY NOT LET US HAVE A SAY OF WHAT GOES WHERE WHEN IT DECIDES TO GO UP? AGREED. ANYWAYS. I'M SORRY. I GUESS ANY ADDITIONAL. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? OKAY, SO IS
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THERE A MOTION? I GUESS BE SPECIFIC WITH WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE MULTIFAMILY FROM PERMITTED TO CONDITIONAL IN THE RMU DISTRICT. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? MR. STILLMAN? YES. MR. NICKERSON? YES MR. ENGEL? YES. MR. FISHER? YES. MISS LAUB. YES. ALL RIGHT. IN THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR[5. To hear an application for a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code, Section 1123.19 – Enclosed Accessory Structures in SRD, VRD, NCD and ARD.]
NEW BUSINESS IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11, ZONING CODE, SECTION 1123.19 ENCLOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN S, R, D, BIRD AND C, D AND R D. YEAH. SO THIS IS RE. WE WERE APPROACHED BY COUNCIL SOME CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH SOME CONCERNS OVER THE CURRENT CODE THAT WE JUST UNITD AMR ACCEFOORY DWSSLINGEL S.S AN E ALOSED NCCESSORACY E.UR WE APOVED TPRSHI BACK IN 202NOVEMB2 1ST,ER ECOMME RATION NDOMFR PLNING CANMISSIOOMWASN APPROD 2023CIY L FEBARY 13RU OFTH ND BEC AE EFFEAMIVE MACTHRC XTH OFSI023. S 2CEIN TN, WE'HE VED TWOHA ADU ALICATIPPS THATON HAVE CE THROOMH AND UGENBE HEARD BY DESIGREVIEWN OARD. B ONEAS , NEWEDONSTRU CIONCTND R WASHE A PTIAL DARACHEDET GAGERA CONVEION. ARS THENND CITYRI THEEPTEMB S 9TH, ER24,20 COUNC MEETIIL, THEYNG COUNSS AESOLUT RNIOPONSOR S BYED L MEMBCIER BERR ANDGE COCILMANUN HTER. TUNPROPOSO EENDMENAMTS TO SEION 11CT23 . 19 THE ZOFINGON CODE. WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS ON POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO THAT CODE. THOSE ARE WHAT IS PRESENTED CURRENTLY. SO I WANTED TO REMOVE POTENTIAL ADUS IN AND THEN REQUIRE ALL OF US TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE. AND THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION TO RECEIVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THEN GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. AFTER THAT, FOR THEIR DESIGN INTENT. THEN ALSO ALL ADUS SHALL NOT INVOLVE THE CONVERSION OF ANY SPACE ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED TO SERVE AT AS THE HOME'S PRIMARY GARAGE SPACE. WHETHER THE ADU IS CONSIDERED TO BE ATTACHED OR DETACHED. THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM CITY COUNCIL. STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS TOPIC. AS THERE'S SOME CLARIFICATION AND SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS ON HOW TO ENFORCE THIS AND I PRESENTED THE BOARD WITH A LETTER FROM COUNCILMAN BURGER AND COUNCILMAN HUNTER WITH THEIR REASONING FOR WHY THEY PROPOSED THESE CHANGES. BUT WE WOULD WANT A DISCUSSION ON THIS AND THEN IF THERE'S CHANGES OR ADDITIONS, THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK. MAYBE AT THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO HAVE A VOTE. UNLESS THEY'RE STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A VOTE TONIGHT. BUT IF WE WANT WE CAN EXTEND IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY, SO I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST SET IT UP A LITTLE BIT. SO. SO THERE'S THREE ITEMS REALLY TO TALK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, WE THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE BOARD TWO YEARS AGO KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH WHETHER IT SHOULD GO FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND DESIGN REVIEW BOARD OR JUST ONE OR THE OTHER AND WE JUST DECIDED THAT THINK I MEAN, FOR WHAT I'VE REA, THE THOUGHT IS THAT CURRENTLY HOW IT'S SET UP, JUST GO INTO THE DRB THAT NEIGHBORS WOULD NOT GET NOTIFICATION IF SOMEONE WAS CORRECT. YOUR EYEBROWS WENT UP, SO I BUT AT DRB, LEGAL NOTICES DO GO OUT TO THOSE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. ALRIGHT, WELL THEN I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT MAYBE DOING IT AS A CONDITIONAL USE THEN TRIGGERED. BUT THAT IT'S REALLY JUST GIVES THEM TWO OPPORTUNITIES I GUESS. AND I DON'T THINK I'M PERSONALLY ONE[01:10:03]
PERSON NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WERE LOOKING TO STREAMLINE IT. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES OUR AGENDA AGENDAS GET A LITTLE LONG, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE SHOULDN'T REVIEW STUFF. SO AS FAR AS REMOVING IT FROM PSD, I THINK IN A LOT OF CASES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE PSD MAP. SORRY. YOU KNOW IT IS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE AN HOA AND WOULDN'T PERMIT IT ANYWAYS. I FEEL ALONG COLLINS ALONG MILFORD AVENUE. THERE ARE PROPERTIES WITHIN PSD WHICH ARE SIZABLE WHICH THIS COULD BE APPLICABLE. I SO I THINK MAKING IT CONDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS US TO DENY IT IN A MILL VALLEY. IF FOR SOME REASON THEIR HOA DOESN'T, YOU KNOW. CARE ABOUT IT OR YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEIR HOA IS ACTIVE OR NOT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IT WAS JUST A FIRST EXAMPLE. BUT YEAH, LIKE AGAIN ALONG MILFORD AVENUE IF YOU COULD LIKE ZOOM IN ON SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN THE YELLOW, I MEAN, THE WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, THERE AND I DON'T. I THINK BY NOT ALLOWING IT AT ALL ISN'T THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND THEN AS FAR AS I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M JUST EXPRESSING MY PERSONAL OPINION.THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION. NOT ALLOWING IT TO BE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. I MEAN, IN MOST CASES, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A SECOND STRUCTURE IF THEY ALREADY HAVE A GARAGE.
YEAH. AND THAT WAS, I THINK, THE CONCERN THE PRIMARY GARAGE STRUCTURE. IT WAS THAT REQUEST TO NOT I THINK IT WAS INTENDED THAT THEY STILL WANT THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOMEONE PARK IN THEIR GARAGE WITHOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL CARS ON THE STREET. BUT I THINK WE KIND OF RESOLVED THAT A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE MADE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY, THE APPLICANT HAS TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING ASSOCIATED FOR THAT ADU. OUR STAFF'S WE DID WITH ALL OF THESE REQUESTS WAS JUST AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. AND HOW DO YOU TELL SOMEONE THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY GARAGE SPOT? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE USING IT FOR. SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE IT AS A WOODWORKING SHOP OR STORAGE, AND THEY PARK ON THEIR DRIVEWAY ANYWAY. SO FROM THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THINGS, THAT'S WE MIGHT STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT. AND THE OTHER SCENARIO WE CAME UP WITH IS IF THERE'S ONE ATTACHED GARAGE TO THE HOUSE AND THEN A DETACHED POOL, BARN OR STRUCTURE WELL, WHICH IS YOUR PRIMARY. SO IT BECOMES A LITTLE FUZZY. I THINK THOSE WERE SOME OF THE KIND OF MAIN ITEMS. JEFF, AM I MISSING ANYTHING FROM OUR OUR DISCUSSION REGARDING THAT I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS OUR CODE. CURRENTLY FOR LIKE SINGLE FAMILY REQUIRES TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPOTS AND THEN WITH THE ADU WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL ONE. SO THEY'D HAVE THREE OFF STREET PARKING. SO THAT WAS KIND OF OUR ENFORCEMENT SIDE. OUR CODE DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE IN A GARAGE. IT JUST HAS TO BE OFF THE STREET. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WITH OUR REGULAR CODE, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE IT TO BE IN A GARAGE. SO HOW CAN WE ENFORCE THAT ON ON THE ADU. AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON IF IT KIND OF INFRINGES ON SOME PROPERTY RIGHTS AS WELL AS WHAT THAT GARAGE IS BEING USED FOR. SO THERE'S SOME LEGALITY THAT WE HAD KIND OF DISCUSSED ON IF WE CAN STAND ON THIS OR NOT. I THINK ONE OF THE IDEAS WE MAYBE HAD TO MAKE THIS WORK WOULD BE THAT INSTEAD OF ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE, IT HAS TO BE AN US TO REMAIN OR THAT ENCOURAGE.
IT ENCOURAGES IT TO BE MORE OF A SECOND STORY STRUCTURE. TRADITIONAL CARRIAGE HOUSE WOULD BE OKAY. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I JUST THINK THAT OTHER DISCUSSIONS FOR SURE. WHAT ABOUT SOMEONE THAT'S JUST LEASING OUT THEIR BASEMENT? THEY DON'T HAVE TO PARK IN A GARAGE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY. THEY CAN PARK IN THE STREET. RIGHT? JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO IN FRONT OF US, THEY CAN DO. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD MANDATE WHERE THEY'RE PARKING.
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OFF STREET IS A GREAT IDEA. LET'S DO THAT OFF STREET. BUT IN A GARAGE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. I HAVE A I HAVE AN APARTMENT IN MY BASEMENT WHICH MY SON LIVES IN. HE'S 17 YEARS OLD, AND HE PARKS ON THE STREET. RIGHT. WHY? BUT IF I CAN'T, IF I BUILD A CARRIAGE HOUSE ABOVE MY GARAGE, I WOULD MANDATE THAT HE HAS AVAILABLE SPOT IN THE GARAGE. THAT DOES IT. I DON'T KNOW WHY. ONE OF THEM IS ENCLOSED. SO. SO YOU HAVE TWO FOR THE HOUSE PLUS ONE FOR THE TENANT TENANT. ONE OF THEM HAS TO BE INSIDE THE GARAGE. WELL THEN MY THEN I'LL JUST PARK ON THE STREET AND THE TENANT WILL PARK IN THE GARAGE. SO. THERE'S TOO MUCH. THERE'S TOO MUCH GRAY AREA. I JUST WANT TO. IT'S. OUR CONCERN IS THE GRAY AREA. AND HOW DO WE MODIFY THIS TO MAKE IT EASY TO IMPLEMENT? EASY TO ENFORCE AND UNDERSTAND AS WELL. WHEN WE'RE COMING TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD OR BACK FOR CONDITIONAL USE, WE NEED WE NEED A CLEAR AND EASY TO INTERPRET. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT. PERIOD. RIGHT. IS THAT WHICH I WHOLEHEARTEDLY DISAGREE? I AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SOUND LIKE YOU HAD SOME THOUGHTS. WELL AGAINST NOT ALLOWING IT AS WELL. HOWEVER, IF WE IF IT BECAME MORE OF A CARRIAGE HOUSE WHERE YOU REBUILT THE GARAGE AND YOU WENT VERTICAL AND IT WAS OVER THE GARAGE, THERE'S NOT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON YOU COULD HAVE A REALLY NEAT STRUCTURE THERE AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING PARKING. NOT YET, NOT YET. WE'LL GET THERE. NOW, IN THAT SITUATION, HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE IT IF YOU HAD A RANCH STYLE HOUSE? BECAUSE OUR CURRENTLY OUR CODE STATES THAT IT CAN'T BE ABOVE THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. THEN YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT, OR YOU'D HAVE TO, I GUESS POSSIBLY SEEK A VARIANCE. BUT THEN THAT WOULDN'T. I DON'T KNOW IF THE DRB WOULD APPROVE THAT, SINCE THE CHARACTERISTICS AND LOOKING AT IT ARCHITECTURALLY WOULD NOT BE IN LINE WITH THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. RIGHT. I DON'T THINK THE DRB WOULD APPROVE THAT. SO ONE OF THE LETTER THAT YOU RECEIVED THAT JEFF PUT ON YOUR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD COMES IN IN THAT REQUIREMENT AND WHAT'S OUTLINED IN THE SECTION OF THE ADU CODE IS THAT THE CHARACTERISTICS, THE STYLE, THE LOOK OF THE HOUSES SHOULD COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER. SO I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT ALREADY THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS LISTED HERE. THIS IS ALL BECAUSE OF THE SECOND APPLICANT. CORRECT. THE ONE THAT NO ONE WAS FOR. BUT WE APPROVED IT ANYWAY. BUT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC APPLICATION. I'M SORRY.I THINK THROUGH OUR FIRST COUPLE APPLICATIONS WE'VE LEARNED SOME THINGS WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
THIS IS NEW TO US. SO I THINK SOME PROCESSES WERE ABLE TO KIND OF CLARIFY THOSE MOVING FORWARD.
AND I THINK IT'S BEEN A GOOD EDUCATION BEEN COST OF HOUSING AND LACK OF HOUSING, AND THROUGH THE REGION. SO BECAUSE OF THE FIELD TRIP NEXT MONTH, WE HAD ANY APPLICANTS THAT BUILT AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE BEHIND THE HOUSE. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE. RIGHT. WE'VE ONLY HAD TWO APPLICATIONS. RIGHT. AND THERE WHAT DO YOU MEAN BEHIND THE HOUSE? YEAH. LIKE IF WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. RIGHT. HAS SOMEONE PROPOSED TO BUILD A COMPLETELY NEW BUILDING THEN WE COULD PROBABLY SAY A SPOT, AN ENCLOSED SPOT. IF WE'RE BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE. WELL, YEAH. MISS YOUNG'S WAS NEW. THAT'S VERY NEW. I HAVE TWO PARKING SPOTS. THE ONE STALL IS 13 BY 37, WHICH IS YOUR HOME, AND YOU HAVE A GARAGE ALSO WITH THAT, RIGHT? ONE, ONE. NO, NO, NO ONE ENCLOSED LIKE YOU HAVE A DON'T YOU HAVE A GRUDGE ARE WE SPLITTING HAIRS? LIKE, WHAT ARE. WHAT ARE WE. WHAT THE DEBATE IS. IT'S THE GRAY AREA. GET RID OF THE GRAY AREA RIGHT.
SO THIS IS ALSO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, AGREE ON AND YOU FEEL THAT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE ITEMS. IF YOU THINK THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT THE THIRD ITEM IS NOT INCLUDED, THAT THIS IS
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TOTALLY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. SO CAN WE TAKE EACH OF THE THREE ITEMS SEPARATE TO VOTE ON, OR ARE WE VOTING TONIGHT? I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO KIND OF THINK ON IT, MAYBE THINK THROUGH IF THERE'S WAYS THAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR, OR IF YOU THINK I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT FOR US IN THE COMMUNITY, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT MEETING. I MEAN, TAKE AN INFORMAL POLL AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE FIRST ITEM, JUST REQUIRING IT TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE SO THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF PLAN COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL BEFORE IT GOES TO THE COULDN'T BE AT ALL RIGHT.WASN'T THAT WHAT O SRT WAS FIRST? I'M SORRY. GOT MY NUMBERS WRONG. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL USE STILL. WELL, IF WE MAKE IT CONDITIONAL EVERYWHERE. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE SOLVING THAT PROBLEM THERE. YEAH. FAIR ENOUGH. YEAH. SO GENERALLY IN FAVOR FOR MAKING IT CONDITIONAL USE. AGAIN. NOT WANTING TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE. YOU ARE THE CHAIR. NO, I'M LAST PERSON TO SAY NOT IT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS SRT, IF IT'S CONDITIONAL USE, I MEAN, WHAT ARE FEELINGS FOR REMOVING IT FROM SRT? OR DO YOU FEEL THAT HAVING IT AS THERE ARE SOME MASSIVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS THAT THEY COULD BUILD A NICE STRUCTURE BEHIND THEIR HOUSE. AND WE'RE NOT SAYING EVERYONE'S BUILDING A STRUCTURE, EVEN WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM AN OPTION TO COME IN FRONT OF US. EXACTLY. IT'S NOT LIKE EVERYONE'S GOING TO GO OUT AND BUILD CARRIAGE HOUSES. YEP. OKAY. TAKE SOME TIME TO REWORD THIS AND COME BACK. WELL, I THINK THIS IS CLARITY FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I THINK THIS IS GOOD. YES. YEAH. AND THEN I THINK THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE ONE THAT'S MAYBE MORE GRAYISH THAN ABOUT PARKING SPACES. I MEAN, ARE WE SHOULD THERE BE A REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING SPACES OR JUST BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE A QUANTITY? WELL, I GUESS WE CURRENTLY HAVE A REQUIREMENT THREE OFF STREET PARKING. I'M SORRY. I GUESS THE LAST ONE WAS NOT BEING ABLE TO REUSE AN EXISTING PRIMARY GARAGE I THINK THAT'S. I APPRECIATE THE INTENT. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IF THERE WAS AN APPLICANT THAT WAS WILLING TO GO IN AND REBUILD THEIR GARAGE, THEY COULD REALLY DO SOMETHING NICE. AND I THINK THAT THAT ALL BE CONSIDERED. YEAH. AND THE JUST THE FIRST SENTENCE HERE FOR ONE OF THESE PARAGRAPHS THAT JUST STATES THAT THE CONVERSION OF A GARAGE OR VEHICLE STORAGE SPACE INTO A LIVABLE SPACE FOR AN ADU CAN LEAD TO AN INCREASE IN VEHICLES BEING PARKED ON DRIVEWAYS AND STREETS. SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT. ON OFF STREET, HOW MANY CARS YOU CAN STACK WITHIN A DRIVEWAY? I KNOW WE HAVE A STIPULATION ON NON PERMEABLE SURFACES ON LOTS. YEAH. BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE LIKE AN ACRE LOT WHERE YOUR DRIVEWAY IS REALLY LONG AND SO THAT THE VERSUS AN UPTOWN PARCEL OR SOMETHING. HOW ABOUT BEDROOMS OR BEDROOMS? YOU HAVE ON PARKING RAMPS? BEDROOMS OR. COMMENTS. NO. LIKE ANYTHING. SOME SORT OF LIVING. EVEN IF IT WAS A STUDIO.
YOUR HOUSE IS RIGHT. RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL FOR THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE SAME CODE AS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR. RIGHT. YOU CAN HAVE A SIX BEDROOM HOUSE, AND THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR ADDITIONAL. YEAH, SO IT'S HARD TO ENFORCE. I LIVE IN MY HOUSE FOR 23 YEARS, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A SINGLE DAY THAT I CAN'T DRIVE. YOU KNOW. YEAH. WE DON'T EITHER. SO. ALL RIGHT, SO I GUESS THIS IS ENOUGH UPDATE, AND THEN MAYBE WE COME TO THE NEXT MEETING AND TALK THROUGH HOW WE WANT TO DEAL WITH THE THIRD ITEM. AND IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, AND IF WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION, WE CAN MAYBE APPROVE THAT WITH CONDITIONS.
AND WE CAN FINALIZE THAT. GOING TO COUNCIL IF THAT DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT ITEM. SO COULD THAT JUST BE MADE CONDITIONAL TO I MEAN THAT'S AN OPTION FOR NEXT THE SAME AS EVERYTHING ELSE. JUST LIKE GARAGE PIECE OF IT. COULDN'T IT JUST BE HANDLED AS A CONDITIONAL
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USE? YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WRITE IF WE'RE CHANGING THE RULES ON PARKING, MAYBE. BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, WE KIND OF GET LUMPED IN WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT SURE. LET US THINK ABOUT THAT. AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THAT CONDITIONAL OR HOW THAT WOULD WORK.PERFECT MOTION TO TABLE. MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL. MR. NICKERSON? YES. MISS FORBIS. YES. MR. WOLOWITZ. YES. MR. ENGEL. YES. MISS. MR. FISHER. YES. MISS.
LAUB. YES. MR. STILLION. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO DISCUSSION ITEMS.
[DISCUSSION ITEMS]
ARE THERE ANY FOR THIS EVENING? I WILL JUST ADD THAT WE HAVE STARTED A PLANNING AND ZONING WORKING GROUP. SO THERE ARE THREE MEMBERS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION. MR. NICKERSON, MR. FISHER AND MR. STILLION THAT WILL BE PART OF THE GROUP. IN COMBINATION WITH TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SOME CITY STAFF, JUST TO TALK THROUGH SOME PROPOSED, MAYBE UPDATES TO THE ZONING CODE AND KIND OF SHANNON IN CITY COUNCIL AND PRIORITIZE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. I THINK THE LAST TWO ITEMS ARE KIND OF LIKE A HIGHLIGHT. THE NEED FOR THIS GROUP. I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE MAYBE HAD SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES WOULD GO, YOU KNOW, SMOOTHER WILL BE ON THE SAME PAGE, HAVE THE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS. SO.THEY ARE NOT PUBLIC MEETINGS. IT'S SIMILAR TO LIKE OUR UTILITY WORKING GROUP, AT LEAST AT THIS
[DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT]
TIME. THEY ARE NOT. RIGHT. DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT. YES. WE HAVE THREE LAST MONTH. YEAH. LAST MONTH? YEAH. YEAH. 128 NORTH OAK STREET. WE APPROVED THE GARAGE ADDITION.THE APPLICANT DECIDED. THE PROPER GOOD DETAILS. MATERIAL DRAWINGS. IT WAS THEIR SECOND TIME AROUND AND WENT OVER THIS TIME. 246 WEST FIFTH. YEAH, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE TALLER THAN THE NEW SIGN CODE, BUT TOO LATE. AND 312 EAST FIFTH STREET. WE APPROVED A SIGN FOR THE SMOKE SHOP TO GO ON THE ROOF LINE. THAT'S ABOUT IT. MR. SIGN. ALL RIGHT. COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS IN SERVICE. NOTHING TONIGHT. MR. STONE.
NOTHING TONIGHT. MR. FISHER. NO COMMENT. NO COMMENT. NOTHING. NOTHING. ALL RIGHT. WELL, BEST OF LUCK TO LESLIE TONIGHT. AND MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO
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