Dec 03, 2024 Planning Commission

GOOD. MIKE'S ON. PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. IT IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 AT 6:31 P.M. I WOULD

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CHAD. I'M SORRY. I ALWAYS PUT YOUR LAST NAME. WALNUTS. HERE. MISS FORBIS HERE. MISS. MR. FISHER IS EXCUSED. MYSELF, I AM HERE. MR. NICKERSON. MR. STOYAN. PRESENT. MR. ENGLE. HERE. AND MISS LAUB IS ALSO EXCUSED. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES. HAS

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[SWEARING OF CITIZENS & APPLICANTS]

DO YOU DECLARE THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH, UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE REACHED THE POINT FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. SO IF THERE ARE ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM, YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. WE ASK YOU TO GO TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. WHAT'S THIS? I GUESS IT WOULD ONLY BE YOU RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON THAT SWORE IN SO. KATHY YOUNG, THANK YOU FOR 25 WEST EIGHTH. STILL WORKING ON MY FOSTER KIDS. TO BE HONEST. I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR PART OF IT. SO I WILL CIRCLE BACK WITH STAFF. I APOLOGIZE, I MAY HAVE BEEN STALLING IT, BUT THE BOARDING HOUSE ISSUE, WHETHER THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO WE HAVE NOT WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED YET. OKAY. I THINK IN SIX MONTHS, APRIL 15TH. OKAY. SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY. APRIL 15TH. DEADLINE. OKAY. LOOK IN YOUR TAXES. YEAH. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I WILL SAY WE HAD DIRECTION FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE COMMITTEE. SO THAT WAS TO. AT THIS POINT, NOT TO PROCEED FURTHER. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND READDRESS THEM AND DISCUSS THAT. SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON TO THE REPORT OF THE OF ADMINISTRATION. DO YOU

[REPORT OF ADMINISTRATION]

[1. To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Sketch Plan application for a development known as Marysville North Development located at Parcels 2800090080000, 2800090120010, 2800090140020, 2800090060010, 2800090170000, 2800090180000, 2800090020000, 2800090022000, 2800090040000, 2800090030000, and 2800090021000. ]

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IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT, PLEASE? MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE GO TO THE APPLICANT, DO YOU MIND IF I DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT I SENT PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK REGARDING THE MASTER PLAN THAT STAFF HAD WORKED WITH CLOSELY WITH A CONSULTANT WITH EDGE GROUP ON.

SO WHEN AMREIN MEADOWS CAME THROUGH FOR THAT APPROVAL THAT THAT ANNEXATION I BELIEVE COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK AT THIS AREA MORE HOLISTICALLY AND HOW FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MAY HAPPEN, AS THAT WAS PART OF OUR COMP PLAN. SO THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE STARTED LOOKING INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND CAN YOU HEAR ME THAT OUT? YEAH. THANK YOU.

THAT WAY. AND SO WE STARTED LOOKING INTO THIS AREA A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND WANTED TO PRESENT TONIGHT KIND OF WHAT OUR THOUGHTS WERE. AND WE HAVE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER ABOUT THIS AS WELL. THEY WERE AT THE WORK SESSION AND SAW THIS PRESENTATION. SO THEY HAVE KIND OF USED THIS AS KIND OF THEIR BACKBONE FOR, FOR THEIR DESIGN. BUT THIS WALKS THROUGH SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR THIS AREA. SO IT WOULD BE EVERYTHING NORTH OF COOK'S POINT UP TO AMREIN WOODS. AND SO SOME OF THE THOUGHTS BEHIND THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE IDEAS WAS TO A GOAL OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, A LARGER OPEN SPACE AREA, MAYBE 30%, WHICH WE ALSO LOOKED AT IN RELATION TO TRAFFIC COUNTS, TRIPS GENERATED AND HOW THE TRIPS GENERATED AT AMREIN MEADOWS COMPARES TO COOK'S. SO THAT IS THIS NEXT PAGE. HERE. LET ME ZOOM INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU. SO TYPICAL DAILY TRIPS PER ACRE ARE 29.7 AT AMREIN MEADOWS AND IF YOU GO TO COOK'S, THEY'RE 211. SO WE LOOKED AT OPEN SPACE CALCULATIONS RELATED TO THOSE.

WHAT THOSE USES ARE. AND WE CAME UP WITH KIND OF 30% OPEN SPACE. BEING THAT IDEAL GOAL FOR THE AREA, WHICH WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 50 DAILY TRIPS. SO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE AMREIN MEADOWS TRIPS THAN THE COOK'S POINT TRIPS. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT REASON. WE WENT WITH THAT 30%, AS WELL AS JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT OPEN SPACE IN THIS LARGE AREA. WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING NATURAL FEATURES THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN, SUCH AS THE POND THAT IS HERE, WHICH IS IN THE SHAPE OF OHIO. SO IF YOU HEAR THAT CALLED THE OHIO POND, THAT'S WHAT IS REFERRED TO TONIGHT. JUST DOING SOME GREENWAY CONNECTIVITY AND CONNECTING POTENTIAL TO OTHER AMENITIES SURROUNDING HERE AS WELL. INTEGRATING EXISTING LAND USES AND CONNECTING SOME OF THOSE EXISTING STREET NETWORKS, AS WELL AS PROVIDING A MIX OF HOUSING TYPE TYPES TO ACCOMMODATE THE MARKET DEMAND. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, TOWNHOMES, AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY. SO WE WANTED TO SEE SET THIS AREA ASIDE AS HAVING THAT VERY UNIQUE COMMUNITY FEEL AND SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF MARYSVILLE. SO THAT WAS ULTIMATELY KIND OF THE GOAL FOR THIS PLAN. A COUPLE PAGES FURTHER, YOU CAN SEE THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN THAT WOULD OUTLINE SOME COMMERCIAL OVER HERE TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE, AS WELL AS THE KIND OF I THINK WE CALLED THIS A KIND OF MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES AND DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS WOULD BE THE COMMERCIAL WITH SOME SOME RESIDENTIAL FOCUSING ON KIND OF SMALLER SCALE LOTS. AND THEN PULLING THAT GREENWAY THROUGH UP TO THE NORTH AND MAKING THAT AREA LARGER PARCELS. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS AREA PLAN AND KIND OF STAFF'S THOUGHTS. WE PRESENTED THIS AT WORK SESSION. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HEARD FEEDBACK MORE RECENTLY FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER WAS JUST TO TRY AND INTERMIX

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J.R. WAS RIGHT, BUT THAT WAS A PIECE THAT I THINK CREATED SOME OF THIS FOCUS AREA OF HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE AREA? BECAUSE THE ENTIRE AREA NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT. SO WE WERE ABLE TO GO IN AND WORK WITH THE LANDOWNERS TO ACQUIRE OR TO GET IN CONTROL, WHETHER IT'S A PARTNERSHIP OR DIRECT CONTRACT, ALL 240 SOME ACRES THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN 33. THIS IS THE MAP BETWEEN, I'M SORRY, 31 FOUR CAMERON WOODS TO THE TOP. AND THEN THE COOK'S POINT APARTMENTS TO THE BOTTOM. SO THAT'S THE PIECE SHE JUST SHOWED YOU. OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT MILL VALLEY OVER TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. YOU'VE GOT THE BALL FIELDS AND SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES AND

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SO THIS TAKES THE COMP PLAN ONE STEP FURTHER. AND AS A DEVELOPER THAT PRIDES ITSELF ON WORKING WITH CITY RESIDENTS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, WE TOOK THE LEAD ON THIS AND TOOK IT A LITTLE FARTHER. SO AS I LOOK AT THIS, WE'VE GOT SIX DIFFERENT SUB AREAS THAT WE HAVE OVER STARTING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WE HAVE THE COMMERCIAL SUB AREA. I'M GOING TO SWITCH HERE BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY DEFINES IT. SO SUB AREA A IS 7.4 ACRES OF RETAIL USES. I'LL GO THROUGH THAT HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. THEN WE JUMP UP TO THE TOP WHICH IS THE MAIN CORE BODY. IT'S 97 ACRES, 55 AND 67 FOOT LOTS. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CORE SINGLE FAMILY. WE HAVE TWO VERY PROMINENT BUILDERS THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN HERE AND WORK. ONE HAS BEEN IN MARYSVILLE BEFORE THE SECOND ONE WHICH IS MY PARTNER, ROCKFORD HOMES IS GOING TO COME UP HERE. IT'LL BE THEIR FIRST VENTURE INTO INTO MARYSVILLE. BUT THOSE TWO ARE SPLIT BY THE NORTH WEST OR THE NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR OF THE GREEN SPACE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S IDENTIFIED AS SUBAREA F, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC COMMON AREA.

I'LL EXPLAIN THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT WE'VE GOT A NICE CORRIDOR HEADING FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. WE ALSO HAVE THE GREEN SPACE CORRIDOR THAT COMES ACROSS THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT FROM FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST, RIGHT HERE UNDER SUB AREA C, YOU CAN SEE A CORRIDOR THAT WE'VE CREATED THAT IS ACTUALLY ABOUT 20 FOOT, 25 FOOT WIDE. IT'S GOING TO LINK MILL VALLEY INTO THIS AREA. BRING THEM ACROSS AND ALLOW THEM TO GO TO THE BALL FIELDS WHICH ARE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS ARE ON THE EAST SIDE. THAT ALLOWS THEM TO ENJOY THE TRAILS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN PLACE AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. AND IF MOM CAUSED A LITTLE PROBLEM, YOU CAN GO OVER TO THE INTAKE FACILITY AND SEE MOM. IF YOU NEED TO. BUT BUT THAT CORRIDOR IS THERE, THE OHIO POND. WE MADE A PROMISE TO THE FAMILY THAT WE WOULD KEEP, THAT WE WOULD MAKE AN AMENITY OUT OF IT. IT'S A VERY NICE IT'S GOT NATURAL WOODS AROUND IT, AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE WOODS THAT ARE AROUND IT AND THE GREEN SPACE THAT IS DOWN ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL. SO THE CORE AREA THAT IS IN F, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC AREA, IS OVER 63 ACRES. SO OUR TOTAL COMMON AREA WILL BE 70. BUT WE HAVE ASSEMBLED THE WE'VE CENTRALIZED THE PARK SYSTEM, WE'VE CENTRALIZED THE DETENTION SYSTEM. AND OBVIOUSLY THE TRAIL SYSTEM IS GOING TO CONNECT ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUAL PODS TOGETHER. SO THE 63 ACRES THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC COMMON AREA PIECE, THAT'S NOT ALL OF OUR COMMON AREA. WE WILL HAVE SOME SMALL PARKS AND COMMON AREAS WITHIN THE SUB, THE SUB AREAS. BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT IS BEING ASSEMBLED AND ESSENTIALLY AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY TO USE. SO GOING BACK SO B IS THE CORE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, D IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT. IT'S A 52 FOOT LOT WE'VE GOT THAT IS COMING OFF OF FOR THE OTHER THING WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT ACCESS BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT BOTH STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU GOT MILL VALLEY OVER HERE TO THE EAST OR TO THE WEST SIDE. THERE'S A LOT. YOU'VE GOT 300 UNITS IN PULTE AND CAMERON MEADOWS. THERE. WE DECIDED THAT BOTH OUR MAIN ENTRANCES INTO THE LARGE CORE RESIDENTIAL AREAS WILL BE OFF OF HERE. SO WE WILL HAVE TWO MAIN ACCESS POINTS. THERE'LL BE THREE ACCESS POINTS OFF OF FOUR. BUT THE REALIGNMENT OF CAMERON WOODS UP THERE AT THE TOP, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT UP IN THE CORNER. WE'RE BRINGING THAT IN BECAUSE THE ENGINEER'S OFFICE WANTS THAT TO COME TO A 90 DEGREE ANGLE. SO WE'RE GOING TO REALIGN THAT ROAD. BUT OUR OTHER MAIN TWO CORE ENTRANCES, WHICH YOU'LL SEE MORE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ARE COMING IN AND ARE HIGHLIGHTED WITH PARKS.

THE ONE TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS HALFWAY UP, IT WILL DEAD END INTO THE PARK THAT YOU SEE WITH THE BIG F ON IT RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF SUBAREA B, THIS ONE DOWN TO THE SOUTH WILL ACTUALLY COME IN AND WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED BY THE DETENTION PONDS AND AS YOU SEE THESE DETENTION PONDS, WE'VE OVERSIZE THE DETENTION PONDS HERE BECAUSE THESE ARE GOING TO BE IMMACULATE. THOSE ARE THREE, FOUR, FIVE ACRE PONDS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE. SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE HUGE AMENITY TYPE OF PONDS. AND THEY'LL BE FAIRLY FAIRLY SPECTACULAR. BUT WHERE WE HAVE THE MIDDLE SECTION F WHICH I'M GOING TO POINT TO RIGHT HERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE WILL SHOW YOU MORE DETAIL AND I CAN SHOW YOU SOME HIGHLIGHTS HERE.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO ADD AN AMENITY TO THIS AREA. IT'S GOING TO BE A CLUBHOUSE WITH A POOL.

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I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF WHAT ROCKFORD HAS DEVELOPED BEFORE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT AMENITY IN THE CENTER OF THE PARK SYSTEM. D LIKE I SAID, A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, LOT, AND THEN YOU JUMP OVER HERE TO C, WHICH IS THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL. WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A COMBINATION OF 40 FOOT LOTS. AND I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE SMALLER THAN YOU'RE USED TO, BUT 40 FOOT LOTS WITH A SMALLER UNIT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT PRODUCT BE BOTH FRONT AND REAR LOADED. IT'S GOING TO KIND OF MEANDER THROUGH THERE A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE GOING TO DO A SERIES OF TOWNHOMES. WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT MIX OF HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY 40 FOOT LOTS AND TOWNHOMES, BUT THAT MIXTURE WILL GO IN THERE. AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY WAS LOOKING FOR. WE CAN'T TAKE THE 67 FOOT LOTS, THE 52 AND THE 40S AND MIX THEM ALL TOGETHER THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROJECT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THAT WAY, BUT IN SUBAREA C, WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MIX THE TOWNHOMES WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY, WITH THE REAR LOADED AND FRONT LOADED OF BOTH. NOW THE TOWNHOMES MAY BE RELOADED. WE THINK THEY WILL BE, BUT I CAN'T PROMISE THEY'LL BE RELOADED AT THIS POINT. BUT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO FINALIZING THAT. AND LIKE I SAI, WE'VE MAINTAINED THE OHIO POND SUBAREA. E THIS IS JUST AN AFTERTHOUGHT. THIS WAS A PIECE OF GROUND THAT THE FOLKS THAT OWNED COOK'S POINT DID NOT HAVE IN CONTROL AT THE POINT IN TIME. THEY BROUGHT COOK'S POINT THROUGH THE COUNTY, AND THE CITY IS ASKING ME WITH THE ANNEXATION, TO CLEAN UP ABOUT 11 OTHER PARCELS. MOST OF THEM ARE RIGHT OF WAYS, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT THEY ASKED ME TO BRING IN. SO I'M BRINGING IT IN. WE'RE JUST TAKING IT IN AS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY. IT'S ONE ACRE. A PORTION OF IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE'RE ZONING 0.75 ACRES AND IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS ALL WE'RE SAYING IT IS GOING TO BE. SO IT'LL TIE INTO COOK'S POINT HERE TO THE SOUTH. THE OTHER GREAT THING ABOUT TRAFFIC HERE IS WE HAVE NINE. WELL, WE HAVE EIGHT ACCESS POINTS. WE HAD NINE WHICH IS SHOWN BUT ON THE STAFF REPORT FROM THE ENGINEER THEY WOULD LIKE US TO GET RID OF THIS RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, WHICH I'M PERFECTLY FINE DOING. SO IN THE REVISED DOCUMENT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE GOT I THINK SOMEBODY SAID, YOU GOT IT TODAY. WE'VE AGREED TO TAKE THAT OUT. SO THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE RETAIL WILL BE FROM TWO, TWO AREAS, DON DRIVE, WHICH IS I'M GOING TO GO BACK UP HERE AGAIN BECAUSE I PUT A THING HERE. SO DON DRIVE IS HERE COMES OFF COOKS POINT. IT COMES UP THROUGH THERE. BUT THE OTHER MAIN ENTRANCE WILL BE RIGHT HERE WHICH WILL COME IN ACROSS HERE INTO THE OHIO POND. BUT THAT WILL BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE RETAIL, THE TOWNHOMES AND THE SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY. OUR MAIN ACCESS POINTS FOR THE TWO SUB AREAS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSING IS GOING TO BE, WE'RE FOCUSED ON FOUR TO DISTRIBUTE THE TRAFFIC BETTER BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON 31. ALL PEOPLE TRYING TO GET HOME, YOU HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS OFF OF 33. SO WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON FOUR. AND IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO OVER THERE, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE COOK'S POINT DRIVE OR I THINK IT'S COOK'S POINT DRIVE THAT CAN CONNECT YOU OVER TO THAT WAY. BUT WE WILL HAVE ONE ACCESS POINT TO CAMERON WOODS. WE WILL HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS INTO CAMERON MEADOWS. SO THERE'S EIGHT TOTAL ACCESS POINTS. OH, AND WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC DRIVE THAT GOES UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE APARTMENTS THAT WILL CONNECT INTO SUBAREA D, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET OUT OF HERE, WHICH IS VERY RARE FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN TO HAVE THAT MANY ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE PLANNED. FROM A STANDPOINT OF THE RETAIL, THESE ARE THE PERMITTED USES THAT WE'VE WE'VE WE PUT DOWN. THE ONES THAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE TARGETING.

THE AREA NEEDS RESTAURANTS. SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS. THEY NEED SPECIALTY FOOD, BEVERAGES, RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES, NAIL HAIR, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. ICE CREAM SHOP WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY WHAT DO REALLY WELL WELL UP THERE? WE PROBABLY WILL AVOID THE BEVERAGE. SEEING HOW I THINK THERE'S FOUR COFFEE SHOPS ALREADY AT 31, BUT THE DAYCARE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE PRIMARY PIECES BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WE DID MOVE RESTAURANTS WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH. OUR TARGET MARKET IS NOT TO PUT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IN THIS RETAIL AREA.

NOW, COULD THERE BE A SANDWICH SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR AN ICE CREAM SHOP? YES, BUT I THINK THE DRIVE THROUGH IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR. THERE IS A POTENTIAL SOME OF THE ASPIRATIONAL IMAGES THAT ASHLEY SHOWED YOU ON THE FOCUS AREA HAD A DESIRE TO HAVE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS. I AM NOT WANTING TO GET INTO THE MULTIFAMILY FOR RENT HERE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE DID COPPER RUN, THE APARTMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION, WE PROMISED KIND OF OFF OFF RECORD THAT WE WOULDN'T BRING APARTMENTS ONTO THIS SITE. HERE. BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DESIRE FOR STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A

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WE'VE SCALED IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT SMALL, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S WHERE THE RETAIL WANTS TO GO. YOU'VE GOT COOK'S POINT, WHICH IS GOING TO DEVELOP OUT AT SOME POINT. ALL RETAIL FOR THE MOST PART. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PLENTY OF RETAIL TO THE SOUTH. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT MOST. THE RETAIL IS CLOSE TO 33 AS YOU POSSIBLY COULD BE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC TRIPS, AND YOU DON'T WANT RETAIL NECESSARILY GOING. BUT WE ARE CONTINUING THAT RETAIL UP DON'S DRIVE AND THEN WE'RE TERMINATING IT THERE. AND THEN GATEWAYS. WE'VE GOT GATEWAYS OFF OF 31 AND FOUR. THE GATEWAY IS BEING YOU'RE COMING INTO THE COMMON AREAS OF THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

AND THEN THE REALIGNMENT OF CAMERON WOODS ROAD, WE'RE DOING THAT. SO I'M GOING TO SKIP QUESTIONS FOR JUST A SECOND AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE AMENITY. SO THIS IS A POOL SYSTEM THAT ROCKFORD DID THAT, THAT WE WANT TO PROPOSE AND PUT IN THE PARK SYSTEM. SO IT IS A POOL. IT DOES NOT HAVE FITNESS, BUT IT HAS AN OUTDOOR PLACE THAT YOU CAN RESERVE. YOU CAN HAVE FAMILY GATHERINGS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS. YOU CAN SEE THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLAYGROUNDS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THIS, THIS LEFT HAND PICTURE. THOSE ARE AGE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOUNG KIDS GO TO ONE AND THE OTHER. BUT WE'VE KIND OF TUCKED THIS IN. THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM FOXFIRE GOLF COURSE, ROCKFORD AND MI DEVELOPED DOWN THERE TOGETHER. AND THIS IS THE AMENITY THAT WE SHOW SMALL PARKING LOT. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 100 CARS IN THIS PARKING LOT. BUT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT THAT WANT TO DRIVE, HOPEFULLY MOST PEOPLE, BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT, MOST, MOST PEOPLE WILL WILL WANT TO WALK OR RIDE THEIR BIKE, ETC. TO THIS FACILITY. GOING BACK TO THAT PIECE, EVERYBODY IN C, D AND B WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE MEMBERS OF THIS. SO IT WILL BE PART OF THEIR EITHER THEIR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. WE ARE CONSIDERING A COMMUNITY AUTHORITY OVER THIS GROUND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE THAT MAY MAY CREAT. SO IF WE DO A COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, IT WILL BE OWNED AND CONTROLLED THERE. BUT EVERYBODY THAT IS IN C, D AND B WILL BE MEMBERS OF THIS. AND WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH PULTE. WE WILL OPEN IT TO THE PULTE RESIDENTS AS WELL. BASED ON CAPACITY. BUT OBVIOUSLY, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE PLAYGROUNDS ARE GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S JUST THE FENCED IN AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WOULD BE MORE PRIVATE. BUT EVEN THEN YOU ARE THERE'S 738 LOTS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. YOU ARE PROVIDING AN AMENITY THROUGH YOUR ZONING PROCESS FOR THE PEOPLE HERE. SO WHEN MARYSVILLE DOES THEIR SURVEY AND THEY SAY YOU NEED MORE POOLS, YOU NEED MORE PLAYGROUNDS. WE ARE SATISFYING THAT PIECE FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTS. I KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, EXISTING RESIDENTS CAN USE THE PLAYGROUND AND STUFF, BUT SO WE'RE WE'RE MAKING THAT A LESSER, LESSER ISSUE WITH PEOPLE THAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE. I STILL THINK YOUR POOLS, YOUR POOLS NEED TO BE IMPROVED AND STUFF IN MARYSVILLE AND LARGE WITH GROWTH AND ALL THAT, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT PROACTIVELY HERE. SO AND WITH THAT, I'LL GO BACK TO QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. SO EARLIER TODAY WE RECEIVED YOUR RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS. I FLIPPED THROUGH THEM BUT DID NOT GO THROUGH TOO DEEPLY. WAS THERE ANY THAT RESPONSES THAT YOU FELT YOU'D FOLLOW UP? I DIDN'T NOTHING JUMPED OUT AT ME. IT SEEMED LIKE ALL THE ANSWERS WERE PRETTY MUCH YOU AGREED? CONFIRMED. WELL. WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THOSE UP, JEFF, WHAT DOES AN AMENITY TYPE POND MEAN? YOU BROUGHT YOU SAID THAT THREE TIMES. WHAT IS AN AMENITY TYPE POND? IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A LARGE POND. SOMETIMES DETENTION PONDS AREN'T THE MOST ATTRACTIVE THING IN THE WORLD. COULD YOU GO TO YOUR SKETCH PLAN REAL QUICK? RIGHT THERE. SO? SO YOU SAID YOU'RE

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BUT THESE PONDS ARE SCALED, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH, I YEAH. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS PREMATURE. SO I'LL WAIT FOR YOUR ENGINEERING, THE, THE POND SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE THE ONE IN THE NORTH CORNER. YEP. AND THEN THE ONES ALONG THE CREEK, THOSE WERE PRETTY SURE WHETHER THIS WILL BE A DETENTION POND OR NOT. THAT'S YET TO BE SEEN, BUT WE WILL KEEP THE SHAPE AND THAT THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE TAKE THE WATER UNDERGROUND AND GET IT TO THE CENTRALIZED SYSTEM FROM 31? THAT IS OUR ENGINEERING QUESTION THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER FOR A WHILE. SO THERE COULD NEED TO BE A POND IN A OR C. IF IT IS, IT JUST BECOMES COMMON AREA OR IT TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO WE THINK WE CAN DO THIS, BUT WE HAVEN'T FULLY ENGINEERED THE PROJECT AND WE'LL GET A LITTLE CLOSER WITH THAT ENGINEERING ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT WE WON'T HAVE THAT COMPLETE ANSWER UNTIL WE KNOW THAT WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY TO GO ENGINEER THE SITE 100%. SO THAT BEING SAID, AS A COMMISSION MEMBER ON TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS, WE ARE LEANING AWAY FROM ANY POND TO BE GREEN SPACE RIGHT? SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING OTHER THAN I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE YOUR PONDS MORE USABLE, MORE USER FRIENDLY.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST. I UNDERSTAND A LARGE POND OR WHATEVER. RETHINK HOW YOUR PONDS ARE GOING TO BE USED BY THE RESIDENTS. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. YOUR CURRENT CODE RIGHT NOW. IT REQUIRES A 10% OPEN SPACE AND IT WILL COUNT THE PONDS IF YOU MAKE THEM AMENITIES, MEANING TRAILS, BENCHES, AND USUALLY FOUNTAINS. SO IN THE ANNEXATION THREE ON MARYSVILLE EAST, WE BROUGHT THAT THROUGH. AND THEN WE HEARD SOME FEEDBACK FROM CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THEM TO LOOK PRETTY. THEY WANTED THEM TO LOOK NATURAL. SO IN THAT CASE, WE ARE GOING TO DO THE CATTAIL LEDGES AND OTHER THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO PUT NATIVE PLANTS AND SOME TALL GRASSES AROUND THEM AND SOME OTHERS. SO BOTH OF THOSE MAKE THE PONDS AMENITIES BEING THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST DETENTION. SO IN THIS CASE, I SAT THROUGH ON THE SAME NIGHT OF THE FOCUS AREA, SCOTT HUNTER DID A PRESENTATION ON CHANGING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE COMMON AREA IN MARYSVILLE. AND I WILL SAY THIS AS A DEVELOPER, 10% IS WAY TOO LOW. NOW IS 30%. THE RIGHT FIGURE WITHOUT THE PONDS, WITH THE PONDS OR WHATEVER I SAY THIS WE ARE COUNTING THE PONDS RIGHT NOW. THE 30% HERE. IF YOU WANTED ME NOT TO COUNT THE PONDS, I'M PROBABLY AT 25%. SO I'M TWO AND A HALF TIMES WHAT YOUR 10% REQUIREMENT IS. REGARDLESS WHETHER WE COUNT THE PONDS OR NOT. AND IF YOU CAN MOVE PEOPLE FROM 10 TO 20 OR 10 TO 25 OR 10 TO 30, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS IF THE PONDS COUNT OR NOT, BECAUSE USUALLY IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND A HALF AND 5% OF YOUR TOTAL COMMON AREA, DEPENDING ON DENSITY, OBVIOUSLY. SO WE ARE COUNTING THE PONDS HERE. WE'RE DOING A PUD, BUT RIGHT NOW THE CODE SAYS I ONLY HAVE TO HAVE 10% IN EACH SUB AREA IN TOTAL AND 5% IN THE RETAIL. SO HOPEFULLY WE GET CREDIT FOR GOING TO 30% IN TOTAL. BUT THESE PONDS WILL BE SPECTACULAR. WHEN I SAY AMENITIES, WE WOULD PREFER TO GO NATURAL AND PUT NATURAL. THEY'LL STILL HAVE TRAILS AROUND THEM, THEY'LL STILL HAVE BENCHES AROUND THEM AND STUFF. WE WOULD JUST PROBABLY RATHER NOT DO THE FOUNTAINS, BUT DO THE CATTAIL LEDGES, WHICH THEN YOU BRING IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MUSKRATS AND THEY BRING IN THE MINK AND YOU BRING SOME OTHER STUFF THAT'S, THAT'S A PART OF YOUR, YOUR, YOUR AUTHORITY, THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY WOULD MAINTAIN THE POND SYSTEM. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE CENTRALIZING IT INTO A, A PARK OR COMMON AREA. NOW, IF WE DON'T DO A COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION WILL MAINTAIN IT. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PASS THIS COST OFF TO THE CITY AND THEIR PARK SYSTEM IF THEY WOULD WANT IT. WE GLADLY DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE EITHER MAINTAINED BY THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY OR THE HOA. YES, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE POOL CLUBHOUSE AREA WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT CENTRALIZED F COMMON AREA. BE RIGHT IN THE CENTER, RIGHT IN THE CENTER.

OBVIOUSLY, I REALIZE THIS SKETCH PLAN, BUT WHERE WOULD IT GO AND HOW MUCH OF THE COMMON SPACE THAT WE'RE VISUALLY SEEING RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO AWAY WITH OR SORRY, GREEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO AWAY WITH THAT? IT WILL GO RIGHT WHERE THAT RIGHT UNDER THAT F. YES.

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BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE FENCE ON OUR SIDE OF THE 40 FOOT. WE WON'T ACTUALLY ALL OF IT. AND THEN WE'RE WILLING TO PUT SOME MOUNDING AND SOME SOME GREENERY IN BETWEEN THERE. SO IF THEY DO PUT A CHAIN LINK FENCE, THE RESIDENTS AREN'T LOOKING STRAIGHT INTO A FOUR FOOT WOODEN FENCE AND THEN A CHAIN LINK FENCE. IS THIS AREA CURRENTLY IN MARYSVILLE OR IS IT IS NOT. IT'S BEING ANNEXED IN OKAY. RIGHT. IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT JUST COMMENT. I DO LIKE HAVING THAT LARGE GREEN AREA IN THE MIDDLE BE AS OPPOSED TO ON THE EDGES. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A POINT OF CONVERSATION, SO NO. AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE PROMISED TO LINK EVERY SUB AREA TO THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND THAT'S THAT GREEN SPACE SPINE GOING UP THROUGH THERE. AND THAT'S THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S 100 FOOT OR 130 FOOT, BUT YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE BEHIND THOSE HOUSES. SORRY. QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM. YES. IS THAT GOING TO BE LIKE WOODED TRAIL OR. WEL, IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW. SO I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED WOODS. WE DO HAVE ALL THE WAY UP HERE ON THE LEAD PROPERTY PARCEL UNDERNEATH THE F IN THE CORNER YOU'LL SEE A BIG TREE. THERE'S A 100 YEAR ONE TREE. GOOD JOB. THERE'S A 100 YEAR OLD OAK TREE. AND DONALD, DONALD BERGER THREATENED ME IF I CUT THAT DOWN. SO I GUESS THERE WAS A DIFFERENT TREE STAND UP THERE THAT THE LEAVES TOOK DOWN FOR FARMING PURPOSES. AND MAYBE 5 TO 10 YEARS AGO, THAT KIND OF CAUSED A FUSS. WE ARE KEEPING THAT TREE AND ACTUALLY HAVE WE WERE GOING TO PUT HOUSES A LITTLE FARTHER BACK, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT TREE. AND OBVIOUSLY THE OHIO POND, THE REST OF IT IS PRETTY MUCH CORN FIELD. SO THERE WILL THAT WILL NOT BE THERE. WE WILL PUT TREES ALONG THERE ALONG THE WALKING TRAIL. WE'LL PROBABLY PUT SOME MEANDERING WITH 100 FOOT. YOU'RE ABLE TO MEANDER THE MOUNDING VERSUS JUST A STRAIGHT WALL. AND THE BIKE TRAIL WON'T GO STRAIGHT UP THROUGH THERE. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF MAKE THAT A FEATURE AND WE'LL ADD WE'LL ADD TREES AND SOME, SOME GREENERY UP THROUGH THERE. JUST A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. I REMEMBER COMING UP WITH THE MEADOWS IS RINGWOOD CITY OR TOWNSHIP. THE ROAD. YEAH WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING IT IN OKAY. IT'S PART OF THE ANNEXATION. SO ON THE ANNEXATION. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER I MEAN, YOUR CITY WATER TOWER, RIGHT AWAY HERE IS STILL IN THE TOWNSHIP. THIS CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION IS IN THE TOWNSHIP. THERE'S 11 ADDITIONAL PARCELS OF RIGHT OF WAY. YOU KNOW, EVEN MILL VALLEY AND SOME OF THOSE. YEAH, I GENERALLY MY CONCERN WAS I MEAN, I KNOW YOU HAVE SO MANY INLETS AND OUTLETS THAT ADDING ONE ON DAM WAS NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT IT IS A ROAD THAT MIGHT NEED IMPROVEMENT. AND I THINK WITH MEADOWS, THE TWO OUTLETS WE

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THE COST OF THAT THE TOWNSHIP AND THE DISTANCE OR WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, THE ENTIRE DISTANCE. THE TOWNSHIP THERE. YEAH. THE TOWNSHIP AND THE COUNTY EARLY NEXT YEAR WILL CHIP AND SEAL IT, AND THEN IT WILL BE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY 100% TO MAINTAIN AT THAT POINT FOR FOURTH, WE ARE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THAT ACCESS POINT UP THERE, A SECONDARY ACCESS, NOT SO SURE UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO WORK IN RICHWOOD OR SOMETHING. WHO WOULD USE THA? WE ACTUALLY PREFER NOT TO. BUT YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS TALKED TO US ABOUT HAVING AT LEAST ONE ACCESS POINT UP TO EMERSON WOODS. IT MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN QUESTION WHETHER TO PUT IT ONTO A TOWNSHIP ROAD AND THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S NOT A QUESTION ANYMORE. SO WHEN THE TOWNSHIP AND THE CITIES DON'T GET ALONG NORMALLY YOU HAVE FIGHTS OVER THIS STUFF. BUT THE TOWNSHIPS AND THE CITIES HERE GET ALONG VERY, VERY WELL AS TO WHO MAINTAINS IT AND THE SERVICE AGREEMENTS. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? HAD YOU, JEFF, HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE RESPONSES? WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU FELT WE SHOULD TALK MORE ABOUT? THE ONLY QUESTION THAT WE KIND OF HAD WAS THE OPEN SPACE, BECAUSE BASED ON OUR CODE FOR PUDS, THERE'S A FOR RESIDENTIAL SUB AREAS, THERE'S A 10% REQUIREMENT. AND THEN FOR RETAIL THERE'S 5% PER SUB AREA. SO HIS THEIR RESPONSE WAS THE COMMON AREA. SO WE HAVE A COMMON AREA. BUT THEN IT ALSO BREAKS IT DOWN PER SUB AREA OKAY. SO SUB AREAS. OUR QUESTION WAS IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE IN EACH SUB AREA AS WELL. ON TOP OF THAT COMMON AREA. YEAH I THINK THAT'S A GOOD A GOOD POINT JEFF. ARE YOU HAVE SMALLER PARKS, POCKET PARKS, SMALLER AREAS WITHIN EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL SUB AREAS. WE WILL WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH AT LEAST SEVEN ACRES WITHIN THE SUB AREAS. BUT THE CENTRAL CENTER CENTRALIZATION OF THE PONDS IN THE COMMON AREA IS INTENTIONAL TO MAKE THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS MORE DENSE. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PUT LARGE COMMON AREAS IN THERE. THE 63 ACRES IS IN THE CENTRALIZED PARK SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE EACH SUB AREA HAVE A MINIMUM OF 10%, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS ESSENTIALLY THE SUB AREAS SPIDER VEINING OUT OR SPIDER LEGGING OUT TO DIVIDE UP THE OHIO POND. THE 12 ACRES THAT WE HAVE AT THE OHIO POND TO GO TO THE SUB AREAS AND YOU'D SEE THAT CENTRALIZED SYSTEM GO. SO THE ANSWER TO THAT WAS WE'D LIKE TO STAY WITH A CENTRALIZED. WE'D LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMITMENT OF 30%. AND HOW WE WOULD JUDGE THAT IS THAT THE DRB LEVEL? WE WILL KEEP TRACK OF IT AS EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT COMES THROUGH. THE DRB, WE WOULD IDENTIFY HOW MUCH THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE 30%. AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE LAST PROJECT TO COME THROUGH HAS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. BUT SINCE WE'RE THE DEVELOPER OF THE WHOLE THING, THAT'S HOW JEROME VILLAGE WAS DONE. AND USUALLY YOU EXCEED THE 30% BECAUSE IT'S JUST HARD TO MEET, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC PIECE. BUT WE'LL HAVE 70 PLUS ACRES OF COMMON AREA IN IN TOTAL. IN THE END. BUT OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL START TO IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE OTHER SEVEN ACRES ARE. AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT VERY, VERY QUICKLY. I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT THAT WE GET A VOTE TONIGHT OR ANYTHING, BUT WE WOULD BE FILING THAT. WE'VE WE'VE KIND OF DELAYED FOR 100 DAYS ON THIS PROJECT FOR THE FOCUS AREA, AND WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF IT BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE VERY ALIGNED WITH WHAT I HEARD. THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ASK FOR AND WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN PROVIDING. BUT THE CENTRALIZED, WE WOULD RATHER NOT BREAK AND SAY EACH SUB AREA HAS TO HAVE 10%. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I KIND OF PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THIS. ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF WE CHANGED AND AGREED TO, YEAH, I GUESS ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS I GUESS, IS THE LOT COVERAGE RATIOS WITH THAT 40 FOOT LOT WITH THE REAR LOADED GARAGES, I WASN'T WE WEREN'T SURE IF IT WAS GOING TO MEET OUR STANDARD THAT WE PUT IN FOR THE OPEN SPACE FOR THE LOT COVERAGE FOR THE SRT. SO THEY MENTIONED FOLLOWING SRT STANDARDS, BUT WE WANTED THEM TO LOOK AT IT. SO THEY STATED THAT THEY WOULD ADJUST IT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO HAVE WITH THE 40 FOOT LOTS. AND JUST WITH LIKE THE REAR LOADED IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THAT LOT COVERAGE THAT THEY'RE GOING

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SO WHEN IT COMES TO DRB OR SOMETHING, THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING NOW THEY HAVE TO TRY TO GET A VARIANCE OR MESS WITH IT AT THAT TIME. SO WE KIND OF WANTED TO GET AHEAD OF THE BALL, YOU KNOW? YEAH. JUST MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IF IT'S GOING TO VARY FROM THOSE STANDARDS. AND ON THE TWO SINGLE FAMILY, THE, THE B AND D SUB AREAS, WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT WHERE YOUR STANDARDS ARE. THE ONLY THING IS WHEN WE GET INTO THE REAR LOADED WITH THE TOWNHOMES AND THE 40 FOOT LOTS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I KIND OF PUNTED AND SAID, LET ME LET ME DEFINE THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND I, I THINK PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS COUNCIL AND STAFF HAVE REALLY WANT THEY WANT TO SEE SOME OF THAT REAR LOADED PRODUCT. SO I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WILLINGNESS TO, TO CONSIDER DIFFERENT LOT COVERAGES AS NEEDED. AND IT WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE A VARIATION OF BOTH. SO YOU WILL HAVE FRONT LOADED. YOU WILL HAVE REAR LOADED AND YOU POSSIBLY HAVE REAR LOADED DETACH ALL MIXED INTO THE SAME PROJECT WITH THE TOWNHOMES. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M ALSO TIMID A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THERE COMPLETELY YET. BUT EDGE GROUP OURSELVES. AND THEN THE BUILDER THAT'S WILLING TO DO ALL THREE OF THESE PRODUCTS, WE'RE WE'RE ON THE PHONE EVERY DAY.

CHAIRMAN, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND WHAT IMPACT THIS WOULD HAVE TO THE SCHOOLS WITH THE ADDITIONAL 700 RESIDENCES? YEAH, WHAT YOU SAID SUB 100 707.

OKAY. NO, I THOUGHT YOU SAID 100. I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS. SO THE SCHOOLS KNOW THIS IS COMING. AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT WE DO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I'LL SIT DOWN WITH THE SCHOOLS. I HAVE MET WITH THEM RECENTLY ON OBVIOUSLY, OUR EAST SIDE PROJECT AND EVERYTHING, BUT I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS AND THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO IS JUST MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT IS COMING SO THEY CAN DO THEIR THEIR PLANNING ACCORDINGLY. NOW, IF WE DO A COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NONE OF THESE PRODUCTS. AND I SAY THIS INCLUDING THE RETAIL OR THE RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING TIFFS ON THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS. SO THEY WILL GET THE BENEFITS OF 246 ACRES ALL COMING OUT OF THE AUV PROGRAM. AND THEN THEY WILL GET OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, EXISTING HOMES RIGHT NOW IN MARYSVILLE ARE AVERAGE $460,000. WE WILL HAVE A NICE RANGE OF HOUSES BECAUSE OF THE TOWNHOMES, BECAUSE OF THE SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES. BUT MOST OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY WILL EXCEED THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE PRICE OF AN EXISTING HOUSE IN MARYSVILLE, I THINK IS 260, $270,000. SO THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO PLAY. I DON'T THINK THAT THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND THE FUTURE RESIDENTS PROCREATE ANY DIFFERENTLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE NUMBER OF KIDS THEY HAVE. SO THE THAT HOUSE VALUES BEING HERE, BEING TWICE AS MUCH AS THE EXISTING RESIDENTS STOCK WILL ACTUALLY BENEFIT THE SCHOOLS IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. OKAY. I'M JUST

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BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE BEST PLANS CAN BE IMPROVED. SO WE HAVE EIGHT ACCESS POINTS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. I MEAN, I GUESS THE MOTION TO APPROVE WOULD INCLUDE ANY RESPONSES FROM THE APPLICANT ALREADY. OR DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT AS A. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THEY'LL CONTINUE TO CONTINUE TO MODIFY THAT AS THEY MOVE INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND TAKE ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS INTO CONSIDERATION AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. SORRY, WHAT? I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS MORNING. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. GO TO THE PODIUM.

YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN. ALSO, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE WE CAN'T ANSWER THIS, BUT WE'LL TRY. SO PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU DECLARE THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH. UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION, THEY SIGNAL BY SAYING, I WILL. YES, I WILL. OKAY, THEN STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR PHONE NUMBER, OR I'M SORRY, YOUR ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER. A LITTLE JET LAGGED RIGHT NOW AND YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK. OKAY. MY NAME IS CARLA AND MY ADDRESS IS TWO, EIGHT, FIVE SPELLED STREET, MARYSVILLE. I'M RYAN MEADOWS. MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. LIKE WITH LOOKING AT THE CURRENT LEVY, WHICH GOT REJECTED RECENTLY. AND BY LOOKING AT THE NEWS, WHAT I FEEL IS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS ALREADY STRAINED FINANCIALLY, LIKE THEY'VE BEEN STRUGGLING TO GET THE FUNDS. BUT NOW WITH ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS ENOUGH FUNDS TO RUN ALL THE EDUCATION SYSTEM OR PROVIDE ALL THE FACILITIES IN THE SCHOOLS WITHOUT ANY STRAIN OR FURTHER STRAIN? THAT WAS A GENERAL QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE SAID, LIKE YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS, BUT THEN WE'RE WE'LL RESPOND WITH A FOLLOW UP WITH WITH BART. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. IF YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON. YEAH. SO ROCKFORD DEVELOPMENT'S BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE LEVY CAMPAIGNS ETC. WE WERE ACTUALLY PROBABLY THE LARGEST DONOR BY ACCIDENT. WE USUALLY LIKE A NUMBER OF DONORS AT THAT LEVEL, BUT ANY WHICH WAY FROM THE STANDPOINT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN HERE, IF WE GET APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE ARE STILL PROBABLY 18 MONTHS FROM ACTUALLY HAVING ANYBODY ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THIS SITE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 3 TO 7 YEAR TIMELINE FOR 700 HOUSES TO BE BUILT HERE. SO THE SCHOOLS WILL HAVE MUCH, MUCH BIGGER ISSUES. IF THEY CAN'T PASS THE LEVY BETWEEN NOW AND THE POINT IN TIME, WE START CONSTRUCTION. SO THE HOPE IS THAT YOU KNOW, AS A COMMUNITY, I KNOW CITY COUNCIL IS WORKING WITH THEM. A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE, THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY THAT IS AMENABLE TO THE

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MR. STILLION. YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE

[2. To hear an application for a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code, Section 1123.19 – Enclosed Accessory Structures in SRD, VRD, NCD and ARD. ]

WAS A STAFF PRESENTING. YEAH. SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING THAT WE DISCUSSED THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. SO THERE WERE SOME UPDATES THAT WE MADE TO THE TEXT. THERE WAS ALSO ITEM NUMBER THREE WAS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT CONVERSION OF ANY SPACE CONSTRUCTED TO SERVE AS THE HOME'S PRIMARY GARAGE SPACE ATTACHED OR DETACHED. AND AT THE LAST MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD DISCUSSED THIS ITEM AND IT WAS KIND OF TASKED TO KIND OF COME UP WITH LANGUAGE OR IDEAS OF, OF THIS SECTION MOVING FORWARD. SO THAT'S OUR BIGGEST ITEM THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THE AMENDMENT TONIGHT. THERE WERE SOME UPDATES THAT WE ADDED. SO UNDER THE PROPOSED CODE THAT WAS UP HERE, WE HAVE ADDED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS IN THERE. THIS CAME UP BETWEEN LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING OF SOME APPLICANT, A POSSIBLE APPLICANT THAT HAD CAME IN AND MET WITH STAFF REGARDING AN ADU. AND THEN WE STARTED LOOKING. THEY WERE IN A PUD, SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TACKLE THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF THE LANGUAGE THAT IF IT'S NOT STATED IN THE PUD, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN AMENDMENT PROCESS TO MODIFY THA. UNDER THE CITY'S CURRENT PUD AMENDMENT PROCESS. SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY LIKE TWO DOZEN I MEAN, A LOT OF OLDER DEVELOPMENTS. A LOT OF THEM CAME THROUGH AS PUD.

WE CAN PULL UP OUR I'M JUST THINKING THAT THROUGH. SO ANYONE THAT'S IN A PUD CURRENTLY APPLIES UNLESS THEIR PUD OUTLINES THAT THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED. TECHNICALLY, WE COULD NOT ALLOW THAT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT OF THE PUD, RIGHT, IS TO BE OUTSIDE OF ZONING. YES.

CORRECT. SO YEAH. SO OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS IF IT STATES THAT IT HAS IT FOR A PUD THAT WAS APPROVED TEN, 15 YEARS AGO, GREAT. WE CAN YOU KNOW, WE CAN APPROVE THAT AND CONTINUE TO APPROVE THAT. BUT IF IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO THAT, THEN UNLESS THEY GO BACK AND COME THROUGH THE

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YEAH, IT'S JUST STRAIGHT. YEAH. SO I MEAN, AND SOME OF THESE ARE OLD AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME NEW, LIKE MARYSVILLE EAST IS A NEWER ONE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL. SO I MEAN, IT COULD BE EVEN WITH THE, THE ONE THAT WE JUST HEARD TONIGHT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WANTED TO ADD INTO THEIR SUB AREAS AS A ACCESSORY USE, THEY COULD ADD THESE. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH THAT'S A GOOD POINT JEFF. I MEAN ESSENTIALLY THAT STATEMENT IS JUST SAYING IT'S NOT ALLOWING PUDS UNLESS THE PUD ALLOWS IT, RIGHT? YEAH. WHICH IS PROBABLY TRUE WHETHER WE SAY IT I THINK LEGALLY, YES, LEGALLY, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY WE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO THAT IF ANYONE COMES AND THEY'RE ANGRY, YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE PROCESS AND THE REQUIREMENT I'M FOLLOWING NOW THAT'S DEFINITELY A GREAT POINT. IT'S KIND OF JUST

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YEAH. TRANSITIONAL AND SINGLE FAMILY. YEAH. I MEAN FROM OUR CONVERSATION LAST MONTH, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE OKAY. DIDN'T SEE EYE TO EYE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER AS FAR AS AS LONG AS THERE WAS ENOUGH SUFFICIENT SPACES OFF STREET THAT THEY COULD CONVERT THEIR GARAGE.

YEAH. WE DON'T WANT TO ADD MORE CARS ONTO THE STREET. I UNDERSTAND, I COMPLETELY AGREE, BUT YEAH, AS MR. ENGEL'S POINT HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A GARAGE, SO WHY SHOULD WE TELL THEM THEY CAN'T USE THEIR GARAGE IN A CERTAIN WAY? IT WAS ALSO SOMETHING ADDING MORE CARS ON THE STREET. BUT EVEN IF THEY JUST SAYING EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T USING THEIR GARAGE FOR PARKING, SAY THEY WERE USING IT FOR STORAGE, IF THEY CREATE IT AS A DWELLING UNIT AND SOMEONE LIVES THERE, A NEW CAR IS COMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AS LONG AS THAT CAR CAN PARK OFF THE STREET, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE ADU ALREADY, I GUESS MY POINT BEING IS IF SOMEONE WASN'T USING THAT GARAGE, THEY ALREADY HAD THEIR CAR ON THE STREET AND NOW THIS IS ADDING A SECOND TO THAT SAME PARCEL. I WAS GOING TO SAY OUR REQUIREMENT IS THAT WITH ADU, IT HAS TO BE AN ADDITIONAL SPOT OFF THE STREET. SO LIKE IT COULD BE THE EXISTING HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY SPACE, TWO DRIVEWAY SPACES, AND THEN THIS WOULD REQUIRE A THIRD DRIVEWAY SPACE OR GARAGE SPACE.

AND I STILL, IF THERE'S LEGAL PARKING ON THAT STREET, THEY CAN PARK ON THE STREET AND NOT PARK IN THEIR GARAGE OR THE OFF STREET SPOT THAT'S CREATED. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BASED ON OUR CODE. AND THAT'S THE SAME WITH ANY RESIDENTIAL, IS TO PARKING OFF STREET PARKING SPACES. BUT THERE'S NUMEROUS LOCATIONS THAT PEOPLE PARK ON THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER TO THEIR FRONT DOOR THAN PARKING IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE ON THE ALLEY, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT, RIGHT? BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SPACES, CORRECT, THAT ARE AVAILABLE OFF THE STREET. AND PART OF OUR CONCERN WAS THAT THIS TALKS ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY SPACE FOR A GARAGE SPACE. WELL, IF YOU TELL SOMEBODY THEY CAN'T PUT AN ADU IN IT AND THEY SAY, WELL, THEY'RE USING THEIRS AS A WOOD SHOP, THAT'S NOT A GARAGE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HANDLE SOME OF THOSE COMPLAINTS THAT WE, WE POSSIBLY COULD RECEIVE OR ENFORCEMENT WISE? YEAH, I AGREE. YEAH. OR DO WE DO A I GUESS, AN OPTION? I JUST THOUGHT OF IF YOU DO A PERCENTAGE OF THAT GARAGE HAS TO MAINTAIN AS A PARKING SPACE, OR IF YOU DO, YOU CAN ONLY CONVERT 50% OF AN EXISTING GARAGE OR YOU COULD ADD ON TO IT, MAYBE, BUT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE, I DON'T KNOW. OR IF IT'S NEW THOUGH. CAR GARAGE? YEAH, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO DO MUCH WITH HALF OF IT, RIGHT? AND YOU CAN PARK YOUR CAR IN HALF A SPOT RIGHT? AND THIS WAS JUST THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY LAST MONTH. WE HAVE NOT UPDATED THIS LANGUAGE FROM LAST MONTH BECAUSE THAT WAS KIND OF OUR DISCUSSION WAS THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS THE LANGUAGE AND HOPEFULLY THAT BOARD AND OTHERS WOULD HAVE SOME IDEAS AND. YEAH, BUT THEN LAST MONTH, I THINK I, I DIDN'T AGREE WITH ADDING THIS LANGUAGE TO THE ADU. I'M ONE PERSON IF OTHER. I MEAN I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE ELSE. SO. HAVE THEIR THOUGHTS. I AGREE WITH YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE THINKING I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE. IT'S THE HOW DO WE SAY THAT IT WAS THE PRIMARY SPACE.

HOW DO WE YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. YEAH, I THINK BY MAKING EVERYTHING CONDITIONAL, WE KIND OF STAY OUT OF MAKING THE RULES AND BECAUSE EVERY HOUSE IS DIFFERENT AND IT'S REALLY TOUGH TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF. YEAH. AND I THINK, I THINK THAT PRIMARY GARAGE, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE TOUGH PART. SO I THINK YOU EITHER, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T ADDRESS IT OR

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WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS TO LEAVE I, TO STRIKE IT, OR TO REWORD IT? CORRECT. THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP. I SHOULD REMOVE YEAH, I THINK I AGREE, I AGREE, EXCEPT. I DON'T DISAGREE 50 OKAY. ALL RIGHT I MEAN. AGAIN IT IS CONDITIONAL. SO GO IN FRONT OF US ANYWAYS TO SEE IT AND DOES IT PASS THE LOOK TEST. DOES IT MAKE SENSE. IS IT CAUSING STRAIN ON OUR STREETS. OKAY. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE WEEKS TO LOOK AT RIGHT. ARE WE DONE WITH THE.

YEAH I THINK THERE'S OTHER ADDITIONAL THE REVIEW PROCESS. WE KIND OF TRY TO FINE TUNE THE LANGUAGE HERE JUST TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS STATING THAT THEY HAVE TO GET THE CONDITIONAL USE FIRST, AND THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AFTER THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. NO ISSUES WITH THAT. CAN YOU COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION. AND THEN YOU GO TO DRB INSTEAD OF JUST GOING STRAIGHT TO THE AIRPORT? I DID CORRECT THAT. YEAH. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE THE ADUS TO CONDITIONAL INSTEAD OF PERMITTED TO PERMIT FOR THEM. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL RENOVATIONS, WHAT HAS TO GO TO DRB? OR SOMETIMES THEY REMOVE THE GARAGE DOOR AND YEAH, YEAH. YES. THERE TYPICALLY ARE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THAT. ADDING WINDOWS, DOORS. YEAH. OKAY. CHANGES OR COULD BE A COMPLETELY NEW STRUCTURE. YEAH. I WAS JUST MENTALLY THINKING GARAGE CONVERSION. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. WE ACTUALLY HAD ONE OF THOSE. AND WHEN I WENT THROUGH DRB, IT WAS LIKE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE YOUR WINDOWS BECAUSE THOSE ARE TOO SMALL TO MEET EGRESS. AND, AND THE DOOR AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO THAT'S EVEN WITH THE CONVERSION THERE ARE BUILDING CODE STANDARDS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET. AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK WE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO ADD A CHECKLIST REQUIREMENT TO SAY, HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO COMING TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TO HASH OUT SOME OF THOSE, LIKE WINDOW REQUIREMENTS, DOORS EGRESS, SAFETY ISSUES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER WITH THAT RENOVATION? I KNOW WE KIND OF MENTIONED SOME OF THESE EXCEPTIONS DURING THE SIGN ZONING CONVERSATION, BUT IN INSTANCES LIKE THIS WHERE WE ARE NOW REQUIRING AN EXTRA STEP, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY WHEN APPLYING FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, ONLY ONE APPLICATION FEE IS REQUIRED, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE TO SIT IN FRONT OF BOTH COMMISSIONS. WELL, THE FIRST TIME THEY COME IN FRONT OF US, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AND THE CHANGING OF THE BUILDING. RIGHT. WELL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPLICATION, I THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE AT WHERE IS THE LOCATION, HOW'S IT GOING TO BE AFFECTED? AND THEN THE DESIGN SIDE OF IT, FIRST ONE IS A SKETCH PLAN. SECOND ONE IS RIGHT OR AM I KNOW THEY ONLY HAVE TO COME TO US FOR CONDITIONAL USE? OKAY. HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES? BEFORE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TO US. THEY COULD GO STRAIGHT TO DRB. YEAH, BUT YOU JUST THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IS DO WE HAVE THEY HAVE TO LET THE NEIGHBORING OR WE HAVE TO LET THE NEIGHBORS KNOW, RIGHT. YES. WE LET THEM KNOW FOR EVERY PLANNING COMMISSION AND DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING THOSE ADJACENT PARCELS THAT. YEAH, I THINK I MISSPOKE LAST TIME. I THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T GET NOTIFICATION FOR DRB, BUT THEY DID GET NOTIFICATION FOR THAT AND THEY WENT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE. OKAY, LESLIE, TO ANSWER YOUR

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THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? I HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN, BUT. ALL RIGHT. JUST THROWING IT OUT THAT THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO DETAIL THE HELL OUT OF WHAT WE EXPECT ON PAPER. YEAH, BUT WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'RE WILLING TO DO. YEAH, WELL, THEY'RE THEY'RE BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE, WHETHER THEY'RE RENOVATING. RIGHT. WE JUST WE CAN'T POSSIBLY BLANKET IT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WITH THAT OR ANY CLOSING THOUGHTS? COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS TEXT AS AMENDED. TO APPROVE. THANK YOU SIR. SECOND I'LL SECOND, THANK YOU. MR. ANGEL. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. WOLNIEWICZ? YES. MR. ENGEL.

YES, MR. STALLION. YES, MR. NICKERSON. YES, MISS. FORBIS. YES. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS

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ALL RIGHT. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THE NEED TO PUT DAY OF THE WEEK IN THIS CALENDAR. I THOUGHT WE HAD ONE. WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK IF THERE'S ANY. 4TH OF JULY WOULD BE THE ONLY RIGHT BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE ARE MONDAY HOLIDAYS JULY 1ST. THAT'S THAT'S JULY 1ST. SO THE FOURTH IS AFTER JANUARY. COULD BE THE JANUARY 1ST IS A TUESDAY, RIGHT. THAT'S NOT. SO THESE DATES ARE ALL THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH, RIGHT. I JUST QUESTION WHEN YOU SEND IT OUT. I DIDN'T SEE AN ASTERISK. SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK THAT. ALL RIGHT. IT'S DOUBLE CHECK THERE.

[01:25:08]

TYPICALLY WE TALK ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE TUESDAY, BUT WE JUST LIKE TO GIVE A HEADS UP TO YOU GUYS. SO YOU HAVE THE CALENDAR KIND OF LOOKING AHEAD IS ANYBODY'S TERM.

IN DECEMBER WE HAD NOT ON PLANNING COMMISSION. WE DID HAVE SOME RENEWALS LAST NIGHT AT COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE GETTING RENEWED. YES. SO MIKE AND PAIGE HAVE BEEN RENEWED. AND THEN WE HAD MR. LYNCH. MIKE LYNCH ON DRB. HE'S STEPPING DOWN AT THE END OF HIS TERM. SO WE DID HAVE SOMEONE REPLACING HIM. IS THAT THE PERSON, THE CANDIDATE THAT HE SUGGESTED OR. YES, I HAVE ONE MORE YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS ON YOUR TERM. AND WE ARE GOING TO BE EVALUATING LIKE TERMS WHERE PEOPLE STEPPED IN HALFWAY THROUGH AND IN MY OPINION, THAT DOESN'T COUNT AS A FULL TERM. I MEAN, IF YOU ONLY DID ONE YEAR, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SAY, OH, THAT'S A FULL TERM FOR YOU. I THOUGHT THAT WAS BECAUSE, LIKE ROB, I THINK SERVED LESS THAN A YEAR RIGHT? PAGE RIGHT. PAGE SEVEN. SO WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY I THINK PUT THAT INTO A MORE FORMAL WRITING ON THAT PROCESS. TECHNICALLY, MY FIRST TERM IS THREE YEARS AND TEN MONTHS. SO I THINK YOU'RE PRETTY CLOSE. YEAH, ANOTHER FOUR WILL BE FINE WITH THAT. SO I GUESS ALONG THE THOUGHT OF DISCUSSION ITEMS WE MENTIONED ABOUT SIGN MEETING. YEAH. DO YOU GUYS HAVE WERE YOU ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE DATES AT ALL OR DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT IN DECEMBER? I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HOLIDAY STUFF GOING ON, OR IF YOU'D RATHER JUST PUSH IT TO JANUARY. I DO HAVE TWO SEPARATE HOLIDAY EVENTS ON BOTH OF THOSE, OKAY, BUT I'M JUST ONE PERSON. JANUARY WORKS JANUARY BETTER FOR JANUARY. OKA, NO PROMISES THAT I CAN PLAN THAT FAR OUT BECAUSE I THINK I'LL BE BACK IN FLORIDA AGAIN. OKAY, WE WERE JUST THINKING A SPECIAL MEETING MIGHT BE GOOD BECAUSE. BECAUSE WE GOT OUR HOLIDAY BONUS FOR AN EXTRA MEETING, WE ALSO WE ALSO YOU ALSO HEARD THE APPLICANT TONIGHT SAYING THAT THEY'RE APPLYING IN TWO WEEKS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO WE'LL HAVE THAT. SO WE'LL HAVE SOME OTHER STUFF SOME OTHER THINGS. SO WE WERE TRYING TO ON A SPECIAL MEETING. SO I THINK YOU KNOW BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS SPECIAL MEETING WE HAD FOR THE SIGN CODE, I THINK WE'VE WORKED A LOT OF THAT STUFF OUT. SO I DON'T THINK IT'LL TAKE US LONG TO GO THROUGH TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE UPDATED. ARE YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE WITH IT? BUT WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE YOU SIT HERE FOR ANOTHER SUPER LONG MEETING. SO. WE CAN PLAN ON JANUARY'S HAVING THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR JANUARY. SO LIKE I'M SORRY ON THE REGULAR MEETING AGENDA. YEAH. OKAY. WHICH WOULD BE ON THE SEVENTH. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH IT ON THE REGULAR MEETING OR, OR WOULD YOU RATHER DO A SPECIAL MEETING FOR IT? DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING, IT'D HAVE TO BE THE 19TH. I WOULD JUST STATE THAT JE SPECIAL MEETING. OKAY. JANUARY I GUESS. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M JUST I'M JUST A PERSON, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE US LONG TO GO THROUGH IT. SO IT PROBABLY DOESN'T WARRANT, I WOULD SAY, LET'S JUST GO WITH THE PLANNING MEETING. I AGREE, JUST GO WITH THE REGULAR MEETING TIME. OKAY? WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO COUNCIL ALSO IN JANUARY. SO THAT WAS OUR OTHER CONSIDERATION. SO WE'LL HIT PROBABLY THAT SECOND COUNCIL MEETING. THEN IN JANUARY THE ONLY DAY THAT WEEK OF THE 18TH, 19TH I COULD DO WOULD BE THE FRIDAY. BUT I DOUBT YEAH, WE'RE I'M NOT COMING IN HERE ON A FRIDAY NIGHT. I DO LIKE YOU GUYS, BUT NOT THAT MUCH. ALL

[DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT]

[01:30:01]

I'M GUESSING THEY'VE MISSED A COUPLE. YEAH, AND A SIGN AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE SIGN WA.

HERE THEY. YEAH, THEY DID UPDATE THAT. THEY SENT IT A REVISED WHERE IT WAS MORE OF AN OVAL SHAPE TO JEFF. AND IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD. GOOD, GOOD. OKAY. SO I GOT ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU

[COMMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS]

THANK YOU, MR. STOYAN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THOSE AT THE SAME. THANK YOU

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.