3. To hear an application for a Conditional Use for a ‘Community Center’ within the Village Residential (VRD) zoning district located at 500 West 4 th Street.

[3. To hear an application for a Conditional Use for a ‘Community Center’ within the Village Residential (VRD) zoning district located at 500 West 4 th Street.]

APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER WITHIN THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 500 WEST FOURTH STREET. IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? MR. CHAIR? YES. I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS ONE FOR THE POTENTIAL OF BUSINESS WITH THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. HELLO. ATTORNEY FAYE COX, I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

NOT ONLY IN MY ROLE AS ATTORNEY, BUT ALSO IN MY ROLE AS A BOARD ON THE TRUSTEES FOR THE UNION

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COUNTY FOUNDATION. THE PROPERTY THERE AT 504TH STREET WAS RECENTLY PURCHASED BY THE UNION COUNTY FOUNDATION. THE INTENTION OF THE USE OF THE PURPOSE, OR THE PURPOSE OF THE PROPERTY, WOULD BE FOR USE WITHIN A COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THE IDEA THERE BEING THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE YOUR COMMUNITY FOUNDATION AS A LOCATION TO SUPPORT ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITY AREAS AS WELL.

SO NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE THAT LOCATION THERE FOR EVENTS, BOARD MEETINGS AND THE LIKE, BUT ALSO OPEN THAT UP FOR POTENTIALLY OTHER COMMUNITY MINDED ORGANIZATIONS TO BE USING THIS SPACE AS WELL. AND THEN AND ADDITIONALLY, IT WOULD BE USED AS A COMMUNITY GARDEN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THAT THAT'S VERY INITIAL IDEAS THERE. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SCHEMATICALLY DRAWN OUT YET ON THE LOCATION, BUT THE IDEA BEING THAT THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT LOCATION FOR SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS LOCATION. THIS WAS THE SCOTS HOUSE. THIS WAS WHERE THEY INITIALLY HAD FOR HOUSING, BUT ALSO USED IT FOR THEIR BOARD.

LOCATION. SO HAVING IT AS A COMMUNITY GARDEN LOCATION KIND OF BRINGS OUT RIGHT BACK TO HOME, AS WELL AS THE IDEA THAT WE CAN REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS HISTORIC BUILDING THAT IS KNOWN THROUGHOUT MARYSVILLE, YOU KNOW, AS THE SCOTS HOUSE, IT IS PROTECTED AND MAINTAINED AND CONTINUE TO BE USED. I KNOW ONE OF THE IT IS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT WAS RECENTLY CHANGED FROM ITS USE ONLY, I THINK, 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO. SO BUT ITS ORIGINAL USE WAS AS THIS KIND OF OFFICE SPACE AND USE FOR SCOTS TO HAVE EVENTS WITHIN. SO WE'RE KIND OF BRINGING THAT BACK. THAT IS ACTUALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN, I KNOW SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN INSIDE THAT THE PROPERTY, IT'S NOT REALLY SUITED AS A RESIDENTIAL HOME. IT IS MUCH MORE SUITED AS A COMMUNITY SPACE. SO WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL USE AND PROTECT IT FOR THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. NOW, HAVE YOU SEEN THE STAFF'S COMMENTS? AND YES, SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS REGARDING PARKING. WE HAVE SUBMITTED A SCHEMATIC ON WHAT THAT PARKING WOULD LOOK LIKE.

JUST NEED TO TURN OFF THIS TIME. SURE, I RESET IT. SO THE SCHEMATIC WOULD I THINK WE HAD THE INTENTION THAT WE MIGHT NEED AROUND 25 OR EXCUSE ME, 21 PARKING SPOTS. AND THAT'S BASED UPON THE CODE SECTIONS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAL USE OF THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY WAY MORE USE THAN IS GOING TO BE TYPICALLY NEEDED. I MEAN, ON AVERAGE, MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FIVE PEOPLE THERE AT A TIME. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A MAJORLY USED OUTSIDE OF EVENTS.

SO ON A REGULAR DAY TO DAY BASIS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A TON OF USAGE. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE SPACES CAN BE. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY INITIAL IDEAS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE BUILDING THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IS A GARAGE. SO THERE'S THREE SPOTS IN THAT LOCATED WITHIN THAT AS WELL. SO WE THINK WE'RE FINE ON PARKING AND WITH JUST SOME KIND OF MAYBE ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE GRAVEL IN SOME LOCATIONS TO EXPAND IT OUT A BIT. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS FOR THE PARKING.

ANOTHER COMMENT I KNOW WAS REGARDING THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD RUN ALONG THIRD STREET WEST THIRD STREET. WHILE WE HAVEN'T NOTED IN THERE, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE TO PUT COMMUNITY MONEY INTO A SIDEWALK. WOULD MUCH PREFER TO USE THAT TO FUND PROGRAMING THAT THE UNION COUNTY FOUNDATION SUPPORTS. SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT.

OBVIOUSLY IT DOES NOT. THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT HAS A SIDEWALK IS THE ONE THERE ADJACENT. THE OTHER SIDE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY SIDEWALK. SO THE IDEA OF IT CONNECTIVITY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE. IT ALSO ON THE SIDE THAT WE WOULD BE USING, WHICH ON ON FOURTH STREET OBVIOUSLY DOES HAVE THE WALKWAY. SO KIND OF THE FRONTING OF OUR, OUR BUILDING, WE WOULD SUGGEST IT HAS SUFFICIENT ACCESS DOWN AND ACCESSIBILITY AS WAS PRESENTED OR REQUESTED. OTHER COMMENTS WERE AS FAR AS THE LAYOUT OF THE GARDEN, WE'RE IN THE VERY INITIAL STAGES OF THAT, TALKING TO COMMUNITY SPONSORS ABOUT HOW WE COULD DEVELOP THAT, WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT THERE WOULD BE WINDING GARDENS THROUGHOUT THE THAT LOCATION KIND OF THE IDEA BEING IN THAT AREA, BUT THAT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS ADJACENT TO THE

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PROPERTY, BUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO AND AGAIN, OUR CORPORATE SPONSORS ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT IDEA OF KIND OF BRINGING IT BACK HOME AND TAKING HOMAGE TO ITS ORIGINAL USE. I GUESS YOU CAN IMAGINE WHO OUR CORPORATE SPONSOR. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. YEAH. I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE SIDEWALK GOES, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED. I WAS LOOKING AT THE STREET VIEW, THE SIDEWALK THAT YOU ARE CONNECTING TO, TO THE LEFT ENDS AT AN ELECTRIC POLE, THOUGH. BUT THAT'S NOT YOUR DOING OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. BUT SO YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD ASSUME THAT SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT. SO YEAH, I WOULD SECOND THAT. AND ESPECIALLY IT'S A COMMUNITY FOUNDATION YOU'RE ADDING TO THE COMMUNITY EVENTUALLY THE INTENT IS THAT IT WILL BE A SIDEWALK LINED STREETSCAPE AT SOME POINT.

AND IF I COULD ADD, THERE'S I THINK THERE'S THREE OUTPARCELS. THEY'RE NOT SUBDIVIDED OUT, BUT THERE WOULD BE ELIGIBILITY FOR THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT GRANT THAT THE CITY HAS. SO IT COULD OFFSET SOME OF THAT COST FOR THAT, FOR THAT SIDEWALK INSTALLATION. SO THE GARDEN AREA, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? ARE YOU THINKING OF FRUIT, FRUITS AND VEGETABLES OR FLOWERS AND POLLINATION. WHAT KIND OF GARDEN AREA ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE ARE VERY OPEN. SO YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING TO THE FOLKS OVER AT SCOTTS ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. A LIKELIHOOD WOULD BE A COMBINATION. THE IDEA BEING WE WOULD WANT TO BRING IN LIKE MASTER GARDENERS AS AN ADDITIONAL ASSET, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT DESIGN WOULD BE. SO I'M GUESSING IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH. SO THE IDEA BEING MAYBE POTENTIALLY SOME EDUCATIONAL GARDENS AND THEN AGAIN, OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE SOME VEGETABLES THERE FOR SHARING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO DOWN ON ME, SORRY, IT JUST WASN'T MY, MY PHONE. THAT'S ALL I WAS. OH SORRY. SO DOWN IN THE DRIVE COULD YOU ZOOM IN ON THE ROUNDABOUT AREA ON THE DRIVE? I ELIMINATE AND REDUCE THE ISLAND. I THINK WE WOULD JUST COMPLETELY TAKE IT OUT.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE JUST ADDING PAVEMENT ON? YEAH, VERY, VERY SMALL AMOUNT. THAT IS WHERE IT IS. I COULDN'T SWEAR I TURNED IT OFF. OH, SO YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANY STARTING THE YEAR OFF, RIGHT. WILL SERVICES OTHER THAN THAT SMALL AREA. RIGHT. CORRECT. CORRECT. YEAH I THINK I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO I MEAN AS A RESIDENTIAL USE, THE, THE KIND OF CIRCULAR AREA OF THE DRIVE MADE SENSE. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE SENSE FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF. SO WHAT I'M THINKING IS YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY. OTHER THAN MINOR ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE PARKING.

RIGHT? CORRECT. SO I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN OF MINE WOULD BE WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. OUR GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN THIS IN ITS HISTORIC CURRENT CONDITION, YOU KNOW, NOT TO MAKE MAJOR CHANGES. OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE ARE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IT'S AN OLDER BUILDING. YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE WISE, WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, BUT NO, OUR AND AGAIN, THE GOAL IS WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS IN A USABLE SPACE. I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE ALREADY COMMUNICATING WITH US SAYING, HEY, THEY WANT TO RENT THE SPACE AND USE IT. SO AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO GET THIS UP AND RUNNING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IS THE APPROACH FINE WITH YOU GUYS TO ON THE THAT THAT STANDARD WIDTH? IS THAT FINE FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR AS AS FAR AS I KNOW WE'D HAVE TO CHECK OUR STANDARD DRAWINGS, BUT I THINK THE MINIMUM WIDTH IS 16FT AT THE NARROWEST, SO I THINK ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT'S ADDED. SO AS PART OF OUR OUR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, YOU GUYS CAN ADD CONDITIONS TO THAT TO THAT APPROVAL. AND ONE OF THOSE COULD BE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF THROUGH A ZONING PERMIT. AND WHAT THAT THAT PARKING LOT, FINAL PARKING LOT LAYOUT IN ENGINEERING IS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THINGS SUCH AS THE DRIVE APPROACH OR THE APPROPRIATE WIDTH IN PARKING SPOTS WITH APPROPRIATE WIDTH AND ALL THAT. YEAH. AND THE DRIVE AISLE IS 20FT OF IT IS OUR STANDARD 24. TYPICALLY I BELIEVE. YES, 24 I THINK ON THAT DRIVE WIDTH IT MIGHT NEED TO GET WIDER, MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT. THAT'S FOR THE SIDEWALK MIKE, NOT MIKE. CAN YOU SHOW US THE GOOGLE VIEW

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WHERE IT GOES INTO THAT, THAT TELEPHONE POLE RIGHT OFF THEIR PROPERTY I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN EXISTING SIDEWALK WITH A HOLE IN IT. YEAH. NO RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

BUT YEAH. WOULDN'T THAT NOT THAT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD BUSINESS. THAT WOULD HAVE AN INPUT OF A 50 FOOT SIDEWALK THAT DEAD ENDS TO A POLE. CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. BUT I'M ALL FOR SIDEWALK. I'M ALL FOR CONNECTIVITY. WOULD WE LIKE TO DO. I'M GOING TO JUMP IN HERE, GREG I'M GOING TO TURN TO THE BOARD RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN DO IT IN A MINUTE. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS WORKING RIGHT NOW WITH THAT VENDOR AND EVERYTHING. SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY WE WOULD PROPOSE CREATING CONNECTIVITY WITH A WIDENING SIDEWALK THAT'LL COME THROUGH THE GAZEBO AND COME INTO THIS SUMMER. IN HERE, WE CAN WORK WITH THE STAFF ON HOW THAT WOULD GO VERSUS TAKING AND MAKING A BRIDGE TO NOWHERE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS POINTLESS.

WE'RE VERSUS WE CAN MAKE A NICE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE GARDEN. THAT'S THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE EVER. BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, MAKING AN L SHAPE TO NORTH MAPLE. BUT YEAH, THAT A WINDING SIDEWALK WOULD BE PERFECT. YEAH. I THINK SOME OF THE THOUGHTS BEHIND ADDING THE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE ROADWAY ARE SO THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE. YOU CAN CONTINUE DOWN THIRD STREET. I THINK WEAVING THROUGH THE PROPERTY IS A GREAT AMENITY AND GETS USERS ONTO THE PROPERTY THAT ARE INTENDING TO BE THERE, BUT SOMEONE THAT'S WALKING DOWN THIRD STREET OR, OR FOURTH STREET AND THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO GO STRAIGHT, THAT ABILITY IS NOT THERE WHEN THAT SIDEWALK IS DISCONNECTED. THERE'S A THERE'S A STYROFOAM. IS THAT CORRECT? THERE IS. A COMMUNICATIONS PLANT. OKAY. YEAH. CAN YOU PULL THAT OTHER MAP UP AGAIN? YEAH.

IS THAT EASIER TO MOVE I ASSUME. OH YEAH. OKAY. BUT IT'S STILL ON THEIR PROPERTY. THERE'S AN EASEMENT THERE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WITH THE SIDEWALK THAT POLES RIGHT THERE. I'D IMAGINE THERE'S AN EASEMENT TO THAT. YEAH. SO SORRY. GOT OFF TOPIC THEN. SO. OH THAT'S OKAY. ARE YOU SAYING THE CITY WOULD STILL PREFER ALONG? I THINK WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO ENGINEERING ABOUT THAT, BUT MY GUT SAYS WE WOULD STILL LIKE ONE ALONG THIRD. I MEAN, PART OF THE GOAL AS AS AS PARCELS REDEVELOP IS TO PUT THAT SIDEWALK IN TO CREATE THAT CONNECTIVITY. I KNOW THERE'S ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIRD STREET, BUT IF YOU'RE A COUPLE PARCELS DOWN, THERE'S NOT A CROSSWALK THERE UNTIL YOU GET TO THE CORNER AND YOU CAN'T ACCESS THAT CORNER BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK. SO ADAM PONTIAC, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR YEAH, GO TO A MICROPHONE, PLEASE. IT'S BEING RECORDED. IT'S BEEN GOOD. SO PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU OTHERWISE. MY NAME IS ADAM HONDA. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE UNION COUNTY FOUNDATION. I WILL SAY, IF YOU CONTINUE DOWN THAT SIDEWALK DOESN'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX. BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, EMOTIONALLY, THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD USE ON A SIDEWALK IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS PROGRAMING IN THE COMMUNITY. I MEAN, WE PUT $1.8 MILLION OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY LAST 2023. WE'RE ABOUT 1.6 THIS YEAR THAT ALL OF THOSE DOLLARS GO OUT TO PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS AND EVENTS IN THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THIS ASSET, AND WE WANT TO HELP CREATE CONNECTIVITY. IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW FOR THIS EXPENSE FOR US RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WE ARE GOING TO CREATE CONNECTIVITY AND USE THIS SPACE TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER. WE WANT TO BE A GOOD PARTNER IN THIS. IT'S JUST THE SIDEWALK SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY LARGE EXPENSE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TERMS OF THE CONNECTIVITY OF IT. SO THAT HELPS. SO LOOKING AT THE AERIAL HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE ADDRESS NUMBERS HERE. SO THIS IS SUBDIVIDED BUT IT'S NEVER PLATTED. SO IF FOR SOME REASON SOMEBODY BOUGHT IT AND PLATTED THIS AND THEY BUILT A NEW HOUSE, THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE A SIDEWALK PER CITY CODE NOW THAT WE HAVE. SO IF A NEW HOUSE WENT ON ONE OF THESE SUBDIVIDED LOTS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE HERE. SO WE WOULD REQUIRE ANY NEW USE TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE. JEFF, IS THERE A TIME FRAME ON THAT THAT THEY HAVE TO GET THE SIDEWALK IN? THEY COULD YOU I MEAN, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD WORK WITH ENGINEERING BECAUSE THEIR POINT'S VALID, THAT IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. RIGHT. AND THEN WE COULD I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, COULD THAT BE WITHIN A CERTAIN I MEAN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AN END DATE, BUT. RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN I COULD BE A CONDITION THAT THE BOARD COULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT INCORPORATING AND WE COULD WORK WITH ENGINEERING AND WITH THAT, THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM WITH THAT

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FUNDING COULD HELP OFFSET THE COST. APPLY TO 291 AFTER THEY DO THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY OVER THAT LOT ON THE CORNER, ARE WE GOING TO FINISH IT OFF AS A AS A COMMUNITY, OR ARE WE GOING TO WAIT FOR 291 TO BE COMPLETED? I MEAN, THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM, WE COULD REACH OUT TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND TRY TO GET THAT INSTALLED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS WOULD BE THERE AS FAR AS A REQUIREMENT IS THE REDEVELOPMENT OR THE CHANGE IN USE THAT TRIGGERS THAT. SO IF THAT HOUSE REMAINS A RESIDENTIAL USE, THEY WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO PUT IT IN. UNTIL THAT CHANGES USE. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, I MY PERSONAL VOICE, I WOULD PROBABLY LEAN TO HAVE THEM WORK WITH THE CITY ON THIS BECAUSE I KIND OF LIKE THE WINDING PATH TO CONNECT TO MAPLE. BUT I UNDERSTAND ALSO LIKE THIS IS THE TIME TO GET THE STREET SIDEWALK. SO I'M GOING TO KICK IT TO THEM. IF THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I DON'T KNOW OTHER OPINIONS, I, I AGREE, I THINK THAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RULES THAT WE FOLLOW AND WE, YOU KNOW, APPLY IT TO EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A THING THAT WE JUST ARE ASKING YOU ONLY SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE PEOPLE COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK THEM TO DO IT? WHEN WE REQUIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO IT? SO BUT I UNDERSTAND WE GET IT. AND I THINK THAT THE WINDING ACROSS THE PROPERTY WOULD BE REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND REALLY GREAT, AND PEOPLE WILL ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. I GUESS I'M THE CONSENTING POINT OF VIEW HERE. OR A DISSENTING. DISSENTING. YES. SORRY. BECAUSE I, I DO FEEL THAT WE, YOU KNOW, AS A FOUNDATION, I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE IF A HOMEOWNER WAS GOING TO RE ZONE THEIR PROPERTY, WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO PUT IN THAT SIDEWALK. AND SO I FEEL, THOUGH I THINK WE SHOULD I WOULD ENCOURAGE A WINDING PATH THROUGH THE SITE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MANDATE THAT THEY PROVIDE A SIDEWALK. CAN I ASK THAT JUST VERIFICATION. SO THE LOT ITSELF THAT THE PROPERTY IS ON IS HAS NEVER BEEN SUBDIVIDED OUT.

CORRECT. SO IT'S THE CITY THAT I MEAN HOW DID WE GET THESE FOR 61. HOW DID WE GET THAT PERSON? I THINK PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER HAD IT LIKE PLOTTED BUT NEVER ACTUALLY SUBDIVIDED. MAYBE. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION THEN IS, AREN'T I REALLY ONE LOT? AND I ALREADY HAVE A I HAVE A SIDEWALK ON MY LOT. BUT YOU'RE THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR ALL PUBLIC ROADWAY FRONTAGES TO HAVE THAT SIDEWALK. SO THIS LOT HAS THREE FRONTAGES. SO IT'S ON THE SIDEWALKS ON EXISTING ON TWO OF THEM. BUT THAT THIRD ONE IS THE MISSING PIECE ON THIRD STREET. SO IF I, I MEAN I'M JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT IF, IF I ACTUALLY THEN SUBDIVIDE THIS LOT. ACROSS HERE. THEN YOU'RE NOT USE THE GARDEN THEN. YEAH. WE THROW OUT THE GARDEN. WE DON'T DO THAT. AND THEN BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, OUR MAIN GOAL IN THIS CURRENT, WE NEED A SPACE THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO US TO GET A SPACE AND TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT AS A COMMUNITY. EVENT, YOU KNOW, AS A CENTER, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE GARDEN. THE GARDEN IS A NICE THING. IT'S A NICE ADDITION. BUT WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS IS THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION TO HAVE A HOME. AND SO IF THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE IS COULD I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M THROWING OUT IS CAN WE LOT SPLIT THAT OUT. FINE. WE'LL DO A LOT SPLIT. THIS WILL NOT BE A CHANGE OF USE. IT WILL STILL BE ZONED RESIDENTIAL. AND OUR COMMUNITY USE WILL BE FOR THE SPACE IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY LOCATED. I DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY THERE. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT TO DO DOWN THE LINE WITH THAT EXTRA LOT. AND MAYBE THAT'S DOWN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A NEW USE AND A NEW DISCUSSION. I'M JUST SAYING RIGHT NOW WE NEED A HOME. OUR HOME IS NOT WORKING. WE NEED A HOME. SO THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. SO I DON'T WANT TO DELAY SOMETHING OR HAVE EXTRA COSTS AND EXPENSE THAT MAYBE IT'S JUST WE PUSH THAT OFF TO, TO A LATER DATE. AND THEN IF WE THEN DESIGN IT AS THE GARDEN, WE COME BACK TO YOU, WE LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE GARDEN. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE CAN TALK MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THE WHAT THAT WALKWAY LOOKS LIKE. SO YOU'RE REQUESTING TO I'M THROWING. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY?

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SO THAT THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION I GUESS IS THAT AN OPTION? ARE WE DO I NEED TO THAT CHANGES.

WOULDN'T THAT CHANGE HOW. BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO. THEY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE IT FIRST. WELL IT WOULDN'T BE REZONE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO FILE A LOT SPLIT OR A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT TO SEPARATE THIS PARCEL. SO I THINK THIS APPLICATION WOULD HAVE TO BE TABLED UNTIL THAT'S COMPLETED, BECAUSE IT WOULD CHANGE THE SPECIFICS OF THE PARCEL BEING THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST IS BEING MADE FOR. WELL, AND I GUESS THAT I, I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, OKAY, FINE, WE COULD APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF WELL, I GUESS NO I CAN'T. I'M THINKING OUT LOUD AND I AGAIN HAVE NOT TALKED TO MY BOARD. I'M JUST SITTING THERE GOING, WELL, IF THAT'S REALLY THE HICCUP CAN, IS THERE A FIX TO THAT HICCUP? I MEAN LIKE WE'RE I MEAN OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY'S SENSITIVE TO THE COSTS THAT DEVELOPMENT BRINGS.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS LIKE IT'S A IF IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT, IT'S WITHOUT A VARIANCE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WAIVED BY THIS BODY OR ANY OTHER BODY. BUT BUT THE BCA. SO IF IT'S IN OUR CODE AS A REQUIREMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT, UNLESS THE BCA SAYS YOU GET A VARIANCE, LIKE YOU CAN WALK IN A GRANT OF VARIANCE FOR THIS REQUIREMENT. LIKE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. I MEAN, ZACH HAD ALSO MENTIONED THE ABILITY TO APPLY FOR THE SIDEWALK GRANT, THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD HELP WITH FUNDING ON THAT. AND I THINK ONE OF YOUR OTHER MEMBERS HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE MEANDERING SIDEWALK THROUGH THE PARCEL. TO ME, JUST VISUALLY LOOKING AT THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE MORE SIGNIFICANT OF A COST THAN JUST THE STRAIGHT LINE ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE PARCEL. YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING TWO. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT PATHWAYS THROUGH ANY GARDEN THAT WE NEED TO DO ANYWAY. SO YOU WOULDN'T BE NEEDING TO DOUBLE UP YOUR COST AND EXPENSE. SO THAT TO PUTTING A STRAIGHT ONE AND THEN ALSO THE OTHER ONE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SOME COST ANYWAY, THE BEST IDEA. BUT I GUESS I, I MEAN THE TIMELINE WAS ALSO A QUESTION I THINK THAT MR. ENGEL HAD IS IF, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN EXTENDED TIMELINE TO INSTALL THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD BE OPEN TO, OR THAT'D BE. THE OTHER QUESTION IS, CAN WE DELAY THE NEED FOR DOING THAT UNTIL AND THE PURPOSE OF THE GARDENS WOULD BE INSTALLED? YEAH. AND THEN THE COST OF THE MEANDERING, I HATE TO USE THAT WORD, BUT THAT THE GRADUAL PATH THROUGH THERE WOULD BE COVERED BY A SPONSOR. THEY'RE EXCITED TO PUT THAT SIDEWALK IN. SPONSOR IS NOT EXCITED TO PUT A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE. NO ONE WANTS TO BUILD A BRIDGE TO NOWHERE. SO AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A ZONING THING. I WOULD ASK THAT THE BOARD JUST GIVE US THE OPTION TO GO THROUGH, GET CONDITIONAL USE TODAY SO WE CAN GET A HOME WORK WITH EITHER BCA OR WITH THE CITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS PATH SHOULD LOOK LIKE. UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WE WANT TO FOLLOW WHATEVER THEY COME BACK WITH, WHETHER IT'S THEY SAY, LOOK, THIS IS THIS, THIS IS WHERE WE BECAUSE OF THE RULES, YOU GOT TO FOLLOW THE RULES OR GO TO BCA. WE CAN DO THAT. BUT IF WE HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE TODAY THAT GIVES US THAT STEP THAT DO THAT. OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK I'M AMENABLE TO THAT, CHAD. I MEAN, SO STILL WE ARE SAYING WE ARE REQUIRING THE SIDEWALK. WE'RE NOT PUTTING A TIMELINE ON IT.

AND YOU STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO BCA TO NOT DO THE SIDEWALK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THAT, CAN YOU? YEAH, THERE THERE HAVE BEEN VARIANCES GRANTED IN THE PAST FOR SIMILAR SITUATIONS. I WAS BEFORE MY TIME IN THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, BUT I THINK IN ON SEVENTH STREET, THERE'S A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE THERE'S AN INFILL HOUSE BUILT, NO SIDEWALK ON EITHER SIDE, AND THAT PROPERTY OWNER WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN A VARIANCE FOR THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT. I DON'T KNOW THAT UNDER THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION AND CITY ENGINEER, THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTED. AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING I COULDN'T SPEAK TO. AND FOR THAT EXAMPLE, I THINK THEY HAD NO SIDEWALK ON EITHER SIDE. THIS HAS A SIDEWALK ON THE LEFT SIDE. IF YOU ADD THIS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ONE PARCEL REMAINING FOR THAT GOAL TO GET TO THE INTERSECTION. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO WE CAN'T SAY EITHER WAY WOULD BE TO WOULD DECIDE. CORRECT. SO ALL RIGHT. ARE WE OKAY ON THE SIDEWALK? I DON'T KNOW YET. SO ESSENTIALLY WE ARE REQUIRING IT.

WE'RE JUST NOT PUTTING A TIMELINE. I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT YES, I WAS GOING TO MOVE ON TO OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PARKING THAT YOU HAD PROPOSED? YEAH. YOU HAD MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY THAT THERE ARE THREE SPACES IN THE GARAGE TO REALLY REALISTICALLY THERE. YOU'VE ELIMINATED THOSE THREE SPACES BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT YOUR HAND IN THE CURRENT CORRECT. WITH THE CURRENT HANDICAP, WE MAY ACTUALLY MOVE AGAIN, THIS IS A PROPOSAL, BUT SO THE HANDICAP COULD POTENTIALLY GO TO WHERE THESE OTHER ARE. AND THEN AGAIN,

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IF YOU ULTIMATELY YOU REALLY SIT THERE AND GO, WELL, I REALLY NEED EXTRA PARKING. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD EVER NEED THAT MANY, BUT IF WE NEEDED TO, THEN WE COULD ALMOST DOUBLE DOUBLE PARK FOLKS. IF NEED BE FOR EVENT TYPE SITUATION. SO ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROVIDING THE SERVICES WOULD BE IN THE IN THE GARAGE AND THEN THE. SO THAT WAS MY ONE COMMENT BECAUSE I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULD USE THAT GARAGE FOR AN EVENT SPACE EVENTUALLY, OR I THINK WE NEED TO. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT WAS WITH THE ALIGNMENT OF THE PARKING, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND TRYING TO SQUARE THAT OFF SO THAT YOU'RE BACKING AND IT'S NOT OFFSET LIKE THAT JUST BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF ALMOST ACCIDENTS LIKE THAT. WE CAN YEAH, WE CAN MOVE AGAIN. I THINK OUR OUR AMOUNT OF PARKING, WE WERE TRYING TO GET AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. THE REALITY IS THIS IS OVERKILL ON WHAT WE WILL NEED. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. YOU MENTIONED EVENTS. YOU SAID SOME EVENTS COULD GET LARGER. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY? AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON. SO MOST OF THE EVENTS THAT WE'RE KIND OF REFERENCING WOULD BE THINGS LIKE BOARD MEETINGS FOR OTHER PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. THOSE BOARD MEMBERS GENERALLY RANK ANYWHERE FROM NINE ON THE LOW END TO UP TO 20. OTHER EVENTS WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE WE HAVE A VISIONARY MEN AND WOMEN'S EVENT EVERY YEAR THAT HAS ROUGHLY ANYWHERE FROM 45 TO 60 PEOPLE. THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY TOWARDS THE LARGER END. WE DO A BIKE, A BIKE TOUR OF THE COVERED BRIDGES IN TOWN THAT BRINGS IN ABOUT 100 PEOPLE, BUT IT'S VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING ON A SATURDAY. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD KICK OFF FROM HERE. NOW AT THIS LOCATION, WE USED TO SEND IT OFF FROM EDGEWOOD. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT. IN TERMS OF THE MASTER GARDEN PROGRAM. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE AN OUTDOOR ACTIVITY, AND THEN YOU COULD COME INSIDE WEATHER CONVENING OR WORKSHOPPING. SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF EVENTS WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT. THERE IS ALSO I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE TENTS ON THE FRONT LAWN AND WE COULD KIND OF USE THE FRONT LAWN GREEN SPACE, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER. AND I COULD SEE AN EVENT IN THAT SITUATION GETTING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE UP TO 100 PEOPLE, BUT NOT TOO MUCH MORE THAN THAT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF YEAH. OKAY. SO I GUESS ANYTHING INSIDE WILL BE OBVIOUSLY BUILDING CODE, WHATEVER YOUR OCCUPANCY LIMIT IS. I WAS MORE CURIOUS ABOUT THE EXTERIOR. HOW MANY POTENTIAL OCCUPANTS OR OCCUPANCY THAT COULD HAVE. AND THEN I GUESS, IS THERE STREET PARKING HERE AS WELL? OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT WOULD BE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. YEAH, THERE'S 11 SPOTS ALONG THE STREET THAT WERE NOT PART OF THE SCHEMATIC THAT WE HAVE. AND THEN ONE CONVERSATION WE HAD LOGISTICALLY, THERE'S LOTS OF GREEN SPACE, SO YOU'D HAVE OPEN PLACE FOR YARD FOR PARKING AS WELL POTENTIALLY IF WE HAD AN EVENT ON SITE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY PARK IN THE GRASS ON SITE FOR LARGER EVENTS IF NEED BE. SO. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR CODE ABOUT LAWN PARKING? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. I'M SORRY, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR CODE ABOUT LAWN PARKING? IF IT'S TEMPORARY? I KNOW WE HAD, LIKE, TALK ABOUT TEMPORARY SIGNAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD ANYTHING FOR TEMPORARY PARKING. I DON'T THINK SO. BUT FRONT YARD, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR FRONT YARD PARKING. THAT'S MORE OF A IT'S ADDRESSED WHEN IT'S AN ONGOING CONCERN. I THINK IF HYPOTHETICALLY, A NEIGHBOR COMPLAINED THAT THERE WERE VEHICLES PARKED IN THE FRONT YARD FOR AN EVENT ON A SATURDAY, WHEN WE GET THERE ON MONDAY TO INVESTIGATE IT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A VIOLATION. SO YES, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T ALLOW IT. SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS BOARD COULD SAY, YEAH, GO AHEAD AND USE THE YARD FOR PARKING. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD PUT ON THE APPROVAL. THERE ARE 12 SPOTS ON THE STREET RIGHT HERE. ALSO, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BE CONTRARIAN IN ANY WAY. IF YOU GUYS TELL US WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING, WE WON'T. WE WON'T DO IT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LOOKING TO PUSH BACK NEEDLESSLY ON YOU GUYS, SO. BUT THAT WAS THE EVENTS QUESTION. THAT WOULD BE THE SO. YEAH, MOST MOST TYPICALLY THE IDEA BEING THIS WOULD BE A SPACE FOR IF YOU HAD A EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, YOU HAD A, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A BOARD MEETING, COLLAB MEETINGS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY. IT HAS VERY NICE KITCHEN SPACE THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, MORNING MEETINGS, BREAKFASTS AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND THEN IT HAS VERY LARGE BOARD MEETING SPACE. I WANT TO MENTION LIKE A SPECIFIC ORGANIZATION. BUT LIKE FAYE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU CAN KIND OF FIGURE SOME OF THESE OUT BASED ON CONTEXT CLUES. BUT

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ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION THAT DOES A READING EVENT THAT IS NORMALLY ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 70 PEOPLE, THAT RENTS OUT A VENUE TO DO THAT FUNDRAISER. THIS WOULD BE THE SPACE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THEM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, WHERE IT WOULD BE A BOOKS FUNDRAISER THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE PLACE HERE, SO THAT THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER EVENT THAT WOULD BE THE COMMUNITY CENTER ASPECT OF IT. IT'S A COMMUNITY RESOURCE, NOT JUST FOR THE FOUNDATION. SO. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS AND WE'LL BRING YOU BACK AFTER COMMENTS SO WE CAN ADDRESS ANYTHING THAT COMES UP. SO AT THIS TIME, ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? AND KATHY KNOWS, BUT YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. SAY YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET MY ALARM WORKING CORRECTLY. SURE. LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. OKAY? KATHY YOUNG 425 WEST EIGHT. CAN YOU PULL THAT DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK AREA? OKAY, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME PARKING SPACES. WHO'S TO SAY WE CAN'T PUT A BUNCH OF PARKING SPACES ACROSS THAT SIDE? AND AS FOR THAT POLE, IF YOU GO BACK THROUGH YOUR MINUTES, THERE'S A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT SIDEWALK AND THAT POLE. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN IT WAS, BUT I WAS SITTING IN THIS ROOM PREDATES ME. YEAH, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. SO HAVE WE CONSIDERED MAYBE PUTTING PARKING SPOTS ALONG THIS SIDE? YOU'VE GOT YOUR PAVEMENT, YOU'VE GOT YOUR SIDEWALK. SOMETHING TO THROW OUT THERE. IS IT A STORM DRAIN RIGHT THERE? RIGHT. SO RIGHT THERE. WHAT IS THAT? IT'S LIKE A MANHOLE. SOME SORT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. NAME, ADDRESS? AND YOU GOT FIVE MINUTES. I'M BARRY BENNETT. I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF FOURTH AND MAPLE, ACROSS FROM THIS PROPERTY. I'VE LIVED IN THIS HOUSE FOR 57 YEARS SINCE MY MOTHER BOUGHT THE HOUSE. BACK IN THE DAYS OF YOUR. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS PROPERTY CHANGE AT ALL. IT'S A NICE PROPERTY. I LIKE TO LOOK ACROSS AND SEE IT AS FAR AS THE SIDEWALK GOES. YEAH, EVERY, EVERY PLACE HAS GOT TO HAVE A SIDEWALK. THE MEANDERING SIDEWALK. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT IF IT REALLY NEEDS IT OR NOT, I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THE GARDENS NEED ACCESS TO SEE THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND I LIKE GARDENS, TOO. WHAT I CAN SAY IS, IN THE LAST 50 YEARS, I'VE SEEN NEIGHBORS COME AND GO AND I'VE SEEN PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC INCREASE. I SEE STRANGERS WALKING, LOOKING, POSSIBLY MEANDERING CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY. SINCE THE APARTMENTS WENT IN OVER ON THIRD STREET, I'VE WORRIED ABOUT MY GRANDKIDS. WHEN I'VE GOT FIVE OF THEM STAYING WITH ME RIGHT NOW ABOUT TURNING THEM LOOSE, PLAYING ON THE SIDEWALK. I WORRY ABOUT THE CRIME SITUATION. I DON'T THINK THE UNION COUNTY ASSOCIATION IS GOING TO PRESENT PROBLEMS, BUT I WORRY ABOUT THEIR ALTERNATIVE.

POSSIBILITIES. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS A HOMELESS SHELTER NEXT TO MY HOUSE. AND.

AND I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN HELP US OUT WITH THAT. WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY? I DON'T KNOW, I'M GOOD AT ANSWERING QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY? THIS IS GENERALLY JUST A FIVE MINUTE. YEAH. YOU TALK. THEN IF THE QUESTIONS COME OUT, THEN WE'LL, YOU KNOW, BRING THEM BACK UP. SO NOT SO MUCH A BACK AND FORTH JUST BECAUSE OF THE FORMAT. WELL YOU CAN HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING. I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PROPERTY THE WAY IT IS. AND I HOPE THE ASSOCIATION KEEPS IT AS IT IS.

I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT CRIME BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A FASTER ESCAPE RUNNING FROM MY HOUSE TO THE APARTMENTS THAN TO HAVE TO GO CLEAR DOWN TO THE CORNER IF THAT MEANDERING SIDEWALK WAS IN THERE. AND YEAH, CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY IS WHAT I WORRY ABOUT. I GUESS I'M DONE. THANK

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YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, APPLICANT COULD COME BACK UP. TOUCH ON A COUPLE ITEMS. I'LL. I'LL JUST TOUCH ON THE USE. OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH HOMELESS SHELTER OR ANY. WE'RE CHANGING IT FROM RESIDENTIAL. SO SAYING NOBODY WOULD BE A RESIDENCE WITHIN WITHIN THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A SPACE FOR MEETING SPACE, BUT NOT NOT FOR THOSE TYPE OF USES AND KIND OF THE JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION IS BASICALLY A FUND THAT OR AN ORGANIZATION THAT RAISES FUNDS FROM THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. SO INDIVIDUALS DONATE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN THE THERE ARE FUNDS WITHIN THAT ARE HELD WITHIN THE FOUNDATION. AND THEN WE HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT DISTRIBUTE THOSE FUNDS. SO EVERY DOLLAR RAISED THEN GOES BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT ALL DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. PROBATE COURT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. SO IT'S A IT'S A LOTS OF COMMUNITIES HAVE THE FOUNDATION HAVE A FOUNDATION.

UNION COUNTY IS VERY BLESSED TO HAVE ONE OF THE VERY BEST. SO AND THEN ALSO THE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE APPEARANCE YOU TOUCHED ON OBVIOUSLY. YEAH. OUR OUR GOAL AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE THIS SPACE SUCH A WHEN IT CAME UP FOR, FOR SALE, THAT BECAME AN APPEALING PROPERTY FOR US IS ONE IT IS A LANDMARK IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WE KNOW THAT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF OUR JOB IS TO BE STEWARDS FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT'S PART OF WE WILL CONTINUE THAT JOB AND THIS WILL BE OUR HOME. SO WHEN WE SAY OUR HOME, WE MEAN THE FOUNDATION'S HOME. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US THAT WE WILL MAINTAIN THIS PROPERTY AND THAT IT IT LOOK AND REFLECT THE HERITAGE THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS. AND THEN ALSO TO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FOUNDATION IS HERE TO STAY, AND WE WANT TO BE AN INTEGRAL PART TO THIS COMMUNITY, AS WE HAVE FOR YEARS. GO AHEAD. SORRY. I'LL SPEAK BRIEFLY ON THE SECURITY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CAMERAS UP AS WELL. AND SO WE WILL BE KEEPING TRACK OF COMING IN AND GOING OUT. SO THAT WAY IF SOMEBODY DOES COME RUNNING THROUGH, WE'LL CATCH THAT AND PASS IT TO THE AUTHORITIES. SO THERE'S PEOPLE ALREADY RUNNING THROUGH THERE. WELL WE HAVE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

ONCE WE HOPEFULLY GET CONDITIONAL USE AND WE CAN SUPPORT THAT. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT I SAW FOOTPRINTS THIS MORNING. SO SUSAN COMMENTS HAVE CLOSED THOUGH UNFORTUNATELY. SO. SO WHAT'S THAT? OKAY. BUT THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN MEET, YOU KNOW, MA'AM, I SPEAK WHAT CITIZEN COMMENTS HAVE CLOSED. SO UNFORTUNATELY. BUT THERE ARE WILLING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS. THAT'S OKAY. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT THIS SUMMER I HAD A PERSON SIT ON MY ROCKS AND I TOLD HIM, YOU CAN'T SIT HERE. THAT'S NOT A LAWYER. I TOLD HIM TO MOVE UP THE STREET, MOVE A BLOCK OVER, AND HE REFUSED. I HAD SOMEONE ELSE TELL HIM TO MOVE AND HE REFUSED. AND IT WASN'T BUT A PASSING POLICE CAR THAT WAS ON A CALL. I FLAGGED HER DOWN AND I SAID, I GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE LOITERING PERSON SITTING OUT HERE ON MY ROCK. HE WON'T MOVE. AND SHE SAID, CALL IN. AND SHE PROCEEDED ON. AND THE GUY SAW ME TALKING WITH HER AND HE BOOKED IT. I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S STRANGERS IN THIS TOWN THAT DON'T ABIDE BY LAW. SURE. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN OF COURSE, COMMENTS OF, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS SUPPORTING SIDEWALK. YOU KNOW, THE KATHY MENTIONED PARKING ALONG THE NORTH. OF COURSE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MEANDERING SIDEWALK AND PARKING ON THE NORTH END DOESN'T DO A LOT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YES. YEAH. AND AGAIN I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO SEE WHAT WHATEVER THAT WHEREVER WE FIT IN AND WE CAN MAKE WORK. WE WE'RE HAPPY TO DO AND MAKE IT MAKE THE MOST SENSE. SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY ON ON THAT FOR SURE. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH THE CONDITION OF WORKING WITH THE CITY ON PARKING AND SIDEWALKS? WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK THAT WAS THE TWO BIG THINGS. ALL RIGHT.

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MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. ACCORDING TO OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES, WE DON'T NEED A SECOND FOR ANYTHING. SO, REALLY, COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. INGLES? YES. MR. FISHER? YES, MISS LAUB. YES, MR. STOYAN? YES, MR. NICKERSON. YES. MR. WOLNIEWICZ. YES. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING. DO YOU WANT TO GRAB. IT WAS LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF. I WAS OVER THERE KILLING ME. I DID YOU WATCH IT LIVE? NO. THERE'S NOTHING. YOU CAN'T WATCH IT.

WATCH IT ON YOUR PHONE. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO DO THAT. SO WE ARE JUST PAUSING FOR A FEW SECONDS FOR THE SERVICE TO COME BACK. I GUESS I COULD TOUCH ON. SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, NEW BUSINESS. THE APPLICATION FOR THE PUD HAS BEEN TABLED FOR TONIGHT, CORRECT? YES. WE RECEIVED A EMAIL TODAY FROM THE APPLICANT FOR THE NEXT APPLICATION FOR MARYSVILLE NORTH. THE TABLE IT TO THE FEBRUARY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS. SO OKAY. SO THE

[5. To hear an application for a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven - Zoning Code, Sections 1121, Section 1123 and Appendix - Glossary of Terms.]

APPLICATION HAS BEEN TABLED OKAY. SO MOVING ON TO A NEW ITEM. NUMBER FIVE. IT'S TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE SECTIONS 1121, SECTION 1123 AND APPENDIX GLOSSARY OF TERMS. ALL RIGHT, WELL, JUST GETTING THE PACKET PULLED UP. I CAN KIND OF GO OVER THE HISTORY ON THIS ZONING CODE AMENDMENT LAST YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS ATTENDED SOME ONGOING OR CONTINUING EDUCATION SEMINARS AND CONFERENCES. AND ONE OF THE TOPICS BROUGHT UP WAS THE INCREASING NUMBER AND PROLIFERATION OF SMALL BOX DISCOUNT RETAIL STORES. SO WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO COUNCIL LAST APRIL TO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO PUT A MORATORIUM ON ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FOR BUSINESSES THAT MEET THAT DEFINITION OF A SMALL BOX DISCOUNT RETAIL STORE. THAT MORATORIUM ENDS APRIL THIS YEAR.

SO THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS OR SO, WE'VE WORKED ON THIS ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO REGULATE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR SMALL BOX DISCOUNT RETAIL STORES, DEFINING WHAT THAT IS, DESIGNATING WHICH ZONING DISTRICTS THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO INTO, AND ESTABLISHING MINIMUM DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROXIMITY OF A NEW STORE TO AN EXISTING SMALL BOX STORE. WE HAVE THE PROPOSED CODE HERE THAT WE CAN KIND OF WALK THROUGH AND OUTLINE. SO THE PERMITTED USES IT WOULD BE ADDED AS A PERMITTED. CONDITIONAL CONDITIONAL USE. THERE IT IS CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS, WHICH IS NCD AS WELL AS OR A CD. AND I THINK WE HAD RMU IN THERE TOO. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THOSE CONDITIONAL USES, WE HAVE OUTLINED SOME KIND OF GENERAL REQUIREMENTS. AND WE CAN WE CAN WALK THROUGH THOSE INDIVIDUALLY. YEAH. SO THIS WILL GO INTO THE GENERALLY APPLICABLE STANDARDS OF OUR ZONING CODE. WE'VE HAD A HANDFUL OF AMENDMENTS IN THAT SECTION OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS OR SO. BUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISH AND REGULATE LOCATION OF SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORES, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS FROM SECONDARY, NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECTS CREATED BY THE CONCENTRATION OR CLUSTERING OF SUCH BUSINESSES. FURTHERMORE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO ESTABLISH OR THESE ARE ESTABLISHED TO AVOID AND REDUCE OVERCONCENTRATION AND TO MAINTAIN CLEANLINESS FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. SPACING. THERE WOULD BE A MINIMUM SPACING REQUIREMENT FOR OF TWO MILES FROM PARCEL LINE TO PARCEL LINE STRAIGHT LINE. SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN FOLLOWING THE ROAD, IT'S JUST AERIAL VIEW. PARCEL LINE. THE PARCEL LINE CAN'T BE LOCATED WITHIN TWO MILES OF ANY EXISTING STORE. THAT MEETS THE DEFINITION OF A SMALL BOX DISCOUNT RETAIL STORE. FLOOR PLAN AND SHELF PLAN REQUIREMENTS. YOU KNOW, FOR ANY SMALL BOX DISCOUNT STORE THAT IS SUBJECT TO THESE REGULATIONS, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A FLOOR AND SHELF PLAN WITH THEIR ZONING APPLICATION, A ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AFTER THEY'VE IF AND WHEN THEY'VE OBTAINED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF SPACE DEDICATED TO FOOD