Mar 10, 2025 City Council

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WELCOME, EVERYBODY TO THE MARCH 10TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WE WILL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT INSTEAD OF THE INVOCATION, I'LL BE MAKING A COUPLE COMMENTS AND THEN TAKING A MOMENT OF SILENCE. AND THEN SO YOU WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO RISE, CONTINUE STANDING. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. IN A TIME OF DIVISION, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST FOR ALL OF US TO TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, TO GIVE GRACE TO ANYONE IN YOUR LIFE WHO HAS HELPED YOU OR BECOME THE PERSON THAT YOU ARE TODAY. SO TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE TO THINK ABOUT THAT PERSON. HOW LUCKY THOSE PEOPLE FEEL THAT YOU HAVE REMEMBERED THEM ON ON THIS OCCASION. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL. ZACH BORDNER HERE, STEVEN WOLF HERE. HANK BURBY PRESENT. HERE. HERE. PRESENT. JULIE KRAMER HERE. IS THERE A DO WE HAVE ANY

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[APPOINTMENT]

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF APPOINTMENTS TONIGHT. I'M REQUESTING COUNCIL CONFIRMATION OF DAN BOSCH TO THE UNION COUNTY BOARD OF HEALTH, WHICH WILL BE THROUGH FEBRUARY 28TH OF 2030. DAN'S IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. DAN, DO YOU MIND RAISING YOUR HANDS? AND, CHRIS FRANK, A REAPPOINTMENT TO THE UNION COUNTY PORT AUTHORITY THROUGH 1231 OF 29. ERIC, HOW LONG HAS CHRIS BEEN ON? AT LEAST EIGHT YEARS. AT LEAST EIGHT YEARS. AND SO I'M JUST REQUESTING A VOICE VOTE APPROVAL OF THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS. OKAY, SO DO SO. ALL IN FAVOR FOR DAN BOSCH. I THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR FOR CHRIS FRANK, I. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD. I AM APPOINTING ZACH GARDNER TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AS CHAIRPERSON OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TO THE ENTERPRISE ZONE NEGOTIATING TEAM FOR A TERM THROUGH 1231 25. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AND THEN CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AGAIN TONIGHT IS A NIGHT OF IT'S REALLY KIND OF DULL BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD FOR A WHILE THAT BRIAN STANKO WILL BE RETIRING EFFECTIVE AT THE END OF THE MONTH. AND TONIGHT I'M BRINGING BEFORE YOU TARA MAIN, TO BE RATIFIED AS OUR NEW HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR. LET ME JUST TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TARA. AND SHE'S HERE, AND HER FAMILY'S HERE. BUT BEFORE SHE COMES UP, OR WE DO ANYTHING, JUST SO YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER. TARA BEGAN HER CAREER AS OUR HR ASSISTANT ASSISTANT IN THE CITY IN NOVEMBER OF 2013. OVER THE PAST 11 YEARS, SHE HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO STRATEGIC WORKFORCE PLANNING, MODERNIZING RECRUITMENT PROCESS PROCESSES, ENHANCING EMPLOYEE RELATIONS, AND ENSURING ADHERENCE TO POLICIES. SHE HAS ALSO LED INITIATIVES TO IMPROVE THE CITY'S BENEFITS PACKAGE AND WELLNESS PROGRAMS FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES. BEFORE JOINING THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, TARA ACCUMULATED OVER A DECADE OF EXPERIENCE AS AN HR GENERALIST. SHE HOLDS A PROFESSIONAL AND HUMAN RESOURCES CERTIFICATION FROM THE HR CERTIFICATION INSTITUTE, AND EARNED A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AND ACCOUNTING FROM WILMINGTON COLLEGE, WHERE SHE WAS A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER TO THE COLLEGE'S 2004 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BASKETBALL TEAM. MATTER OF FACT, IN THAT CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM THAT SHE WAS A PART OF, SHE WAS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. SO THERE YOU

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THERE WILL BE A TIME TO FOR BRIAN. WHAT'S THE DATE? MARCH 28TH. CORRECT? MARCH 28TH WILL BE CELEBRATING. BRIAN. IF YOU WANT SOME MORE DETAILS, PLEASE REACH OUT, BUT I HAVE SENT IT OUT TO CITY EMAIL. SO THAT IS OUT. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR FACES AND HELP US CELEBRATE BRIAN AS HE TRANSITION OUT OF OUT OF THE WORK CAREER AND TO THE NEXT PHASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ADMINISTRATION REPORT. THANK YOU. AND I'VE GOT

[ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT]

AND IN RECOGNITION OF THAT, PARTNERS PARK AND MARYSVILLE CITY HALL IS BEING ILLUMINATED IN ORANGE THROUGHOUT MARCH. ORANGE IS USED FOR DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES AWARENESS BECAUSE IT SYMBOLIZES ENERGY AND POSITIVITY. WE WILL. COMING UP HERE SOON IS INCOME TAX TIME.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXTEND OUR HOURS FOR INCOME TAX ASSISTANCE. OUR OUR RETURNS ARE DUE ON TUESDAY, APRIL 15TH, 2025. AND THE CITY IS OFFERING EXTENDED HOURS. AT CITY HALL ON THURSDAY, MARCH 27TH FROM 5 TO 7 P.M. THERE WILL BE A SPANISH INTERPRETER AVAILABLE. SATURDAY, MARCH 29TH FROM 9 A.M. TO NOON. AGAIN, THERE'LL BE AN INTERPRETER SPANISH INTERPRETER AVAILABLE AND THEN WEDNESDAY, APRIL 2ND FROM 5 TO 7 P.M. AND SATURDAY, APRIL 5TH FROM 9 A.M.

TO NOON. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUT THIS INFORMATION OUT SO PEOPLE CAN UTILIZE OUR SERVICES AS THEY PREPARE THEIR TAX RETURNS. THIS EVENT, THE UPTOWN EGG HUNTS COMING UP SATURDAY, APRIL 5TH, 10 A.M. TO 5 P.M. THIS IS A MAIN STREET MARYSVILLE EVENT, BUT IT'S PARTNERING WITH THE LIBRARY AND I SEE NYSSA OUT HERE PARTNERING WITH THE LIBRARY TO BRING YOU AN ALL DAY EGG HUNT. YOU CAN JOIN IN THE FUN, EXPLORE UPTOWN, AND COLLECT HIDDEN EGGS FILLED WITH CANDY, COUPONS, FREEBIES, AND PRIZES. START AT THE LIBRARY AND MEET AT THE MEET THE EASTER BUNNY FROM 10 A.M. TO NOON. GRAB YOUR EXPLORATION MAP AT THE MAIN STREET, MARYSVILLE TENT AT SIXTH AND MAIN FROM 10 A.M. TO 5 P.M. AND THERE'S A THOUSAND. YOU CAN FIND A THOUSAND EGGS THROUGHOUT UPTOWN, INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF PARTICIPATING BUSINESSES, AND YOU CAN RETURN EMPTY EGGS TO THE MAIN STREET MAIN STREET TENT FOR EXTRA TREATS. AND SO IF YOU RETURN THEM, THEY EVEN GET MORE SO, SO GOOD STUFF IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OF COURSE, MAIN STREET, MARYSVILLE, THEY'LL BE PUTTING INFORMATION OUT ON THIS OR THE LIBRARY WILL HAVE IT AVAILABLE. CORRECT. NYSSA.

AWESOME. LET'S SEE. AND ANOTHER THING THAT'S GOING ON HERE BETWEEN MAIN STREET, MARYSVILLE AND THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, IS WHAT WE CALL THE UPTOWN TRAFFIC BOX ART PROJECT. MAIN STREET, MARYSVILLE AND THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE ARE THRILLED TO PRESENT THE 2025 UPTOWN TRAFFIC BOX ART PROJECT. WE'RE INVITING ARTISTS OF ALL AGES AND SKILL LEVELS TO PARTICIPATE. THE THEME OF THIS ART PROJECT IS IF THE PAST WAS PRESENT, THIS INITIATIVE AIMS TO BEAUTIFY

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SELECTED DESIGNS WILL BE DIGITALLY PRINTED ONTO DURABLE VINYL WRAPS, BRINGING CREATIVITY AND COLOR TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND THE SUBMISSION DEADLINE IS APRIL 9TH. COMING UP, ASHLEY, YOU'RE KIND OF HEADING THIS UP A LITTLE BIT, AREN'T YOU? YES, THE DESIGN COMMITTEE THROUGH MAIN STREET, MARYSVILLE IS LEADING THIS ART INITIATIVE, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING ALL THOSE SUBMISSIONS AND BRINGING A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY INTO THE UPTOWN THROUGH THOSE ART SUBMISSIONS AS WELL. SO AWESOME. THANKS FOR WORKING ON THAT. SO ANY QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE, DO THEY WHO SHOULD THEY REACH OUT TO? YES, WE DO HAVE A WEBSITE THROUGH MAIN STREET, MARY OR EXCUSE ME, AN EMAIL ADDRESS THROUGH MAIN STREET MARYSVILLE. LET ME PULL THAT UP. GIVE ME JUST A SECOND HERE. OKAY. NO PROBLEM. I'LL GO ON. OKAY. AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. THE 2025 POOL SEASON PASSES, MUNICIPAL POOL SEASON PASSES ARE AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AT 15% DISCOUNT NOW THROUGH APRIL 30TH, 15% POOL PASSES MAY BE PURCHASED ONLINE VIA REC DESK OR IN PERSON AT THE CITY'S MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER. THEY'RE LOCATED AT 455 NORTH MAPLE STREET. DURING THE FOLLOWING HOURS, MONDAY, WEDNESDAYS AND THURSDAYS FROM 10 A.M. TO 2 P.M.

AND THE POOL OPENS FOR THE SEASON ON SATURDAY, MAY 25TH. SO FEEL FREE GO ONLINE VIA OUR REC DESK AND SEE IF YOU CAN PULL IT UP. BUT BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL 30TH, YOU CAN GET A 15% DISCOUNT. AND WE TYPICALLY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT EACH YEAR. THE SHRED, RECYCLE AND DONATION DAY SATURDAY, APRIL 26TH FROM 9 A.M. TO NOON. THIS FREE EVENT IS OPEN TO RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS. PERSONAL. PERSONAL DOCUMENTS WILL BE SECURELY TRANSPORTED BY FILE 13 AND SHREDDED AT UCO INDUSTRY INDUSTRIES. ALL ELECTRONICS THAT PLUG INTO THE WALL OR TAKE BATTERIES WILL BE ACCEPTED, INCLUDING COMPUTERS, CAMERAS, SERVERS, VCRS, CELL PHONES, KEYBOARDS, BATTERY BACKUP SYSTEMS, SCANNERS, PRINTERS, FAX MACHINES. BUT CRT TUBE STYLE MONITORS AND TVS ARE NOT ACCEPTED. OKAY, THOSE TWO ITEMS SECOND CHANCES THRIFT STORE WILL ACCEPT UP TO SIX BAGS OR BOXES OF ITEMS AT THAT EVENT IN LIKE NEW OR GIFTABLE CONDITION, INCLUDING CLOTHES, SHOES, ACCESSORIES, JEWELRY, SMALL APPLIANCES, HOUSEWARES, KITCHEN ITEMS, HOME DECOR, TOYS AND GAMES, OVERSIZE ITEMS AND DONATIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN TO THE UCO INDUSTRIES DONATION CENTER, LOCATED AT. 16,001 6900 SQUARE DRIVE. AND THAT'S AN EVENT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE UTILIZE. ASHLEY, I'M BACK AT YOU. SO THE EMAIL ADDRESS FOR ANY QUESTIONS IS PUBLIC ART AT MAIN STREET MARYSVILLE.COM. AND THEN THOSE ART SUBMISSIONS CAN BE SUBMITTED VIA THE MAIN STREET MARYSVILLE WEBSITE. THERE'S A SUBMISSION BUTTON ON THERE WHERE THEY WILL UPLOAD. THE ARTIST WILL UPLOAD THEIR ARTWORK. AWESOME. THANK YOU. NOW I'LL SHIFT DOWN TO JEREMY FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. YEAH. THANKS, TERRY. CITY STREET CREWS CONTINUE TO MAKE CITY WIDE POTHOLE REPAIRS. THAT MIGHT BE A COMMON THEME FOR THE NEXT HANDFUL OF WEEKS.

THEY'RE COLLECTING YARD WASTE AGAIN. NOW THAT THE WEATHER'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND PERFORMING CATCH BASIN REPAIRS AHEAD OF THIS YEAR'S PAVING PROGRAM. AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. THEY ARE BEGINNING TO CONDUCT THEIR ANNUAL PLAYGROUND INSPECTIONS AND ARE PERFORMING MATURE TREE PRUNING AND YOUNG TREE TRAINING IN GREEN PASTURES. WATER. THE CREWS CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE WATER LINE REPLACEMENT PROJECT AT PARKWAY DRIVE AND GRAND AVENUE.

AND THE RESERVOIR IS CURRENTLY FILLED TO ITS CAPACITY. AND THEN FINALLY, CITY WASTEWATER CREWS ARE TELEVISING AND CLEANING SEWER CITYWIDE. AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. REPORT OF CLERK OF

[REPORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT]

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THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2006. AND IT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY A RESULT OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. WE DID IN 2003, RECOMMENDING THAT WE IMPROVE OUR INCENTIVE REVIEW PROCESS AND HOW WE REVIEW INCENTIVES AND HOW WE WORK WITH COMPANIES AS WE TRY TO ATTRACT THEM TO LOCATE HERE AS WELL. AND IT FOCUSED ORIGINALLY JUST ON JOBS, PAYROLL AND INVESTMENT.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AS WE TALK TONIGHT BECAUSE THE UPDATES WE'RE PROPOSING ACTUALLY GO MANY STEPS ADDITIONAL TO ACTUALLY QUALIFY AND ACTUALLY TO RECEIVE POINTS TO RECEIVE A TAX ABATEMENT. THE POLICY GOES COUNTY WIDE. OF COURSE. THE CITY PROVIDES WATER AND SEWER SERVICES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 161. SO JEROME TOWNSHIP, MILL CREEK TOWNSHIP ARE INCLUDED AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. AND I THINK THIS WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST COUNTY WIDE EFFORT IN THE STATE OF OHIO TO GET EVERYONE AT THE TABLE. SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THE CITIES, MUNICIPALITIES, THE TOWNSHIPS, AND THE COUNTY ON THE SAME PAGE. CAREER TAX HAVE BEEN TO PAY AT THE TABLE AS WELL. LAST YEAR IN 2023, BOTH THE MARYSVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND JEROME TOWNSHIP NOTED THEY WANTED TO REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM THE INCENTIVE POLICY, STATING THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE MODERNIZED. THEY WANTED TO SEE A NEW LOOK AT THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT AS WELL. AND SO WE BEGAN THAT PROCESS. WE HIRED A CONSULTANT, JAMIE GENTRY, AND MARTY BRENNER, WHO ARE WELL KNOWN IN THE COLUMBUS REGION, TO LOOK AT THE INCENTIVE POLICY TO SEE HOW THEY CAN IMPROVE IT.

THEY ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED EACH OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS. SO THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THE TOWNSHIPS, ALL THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WERE ALL INTERVIEWED INDEPENDENTLY. I WAS NOT IN THOSE MEETINGS. SO THE SO THEY COULD GET IDEAS AND THOUGHTS ON HOW THEY COULD IMPROVE IT AND MAKE IT BETTER FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. CAN YOU SURE. CAN YOU JUST STATE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID, I DON'T I DON'T THINK I HEARD YOU. COULD YOU JUST STATE WHO THOSE PARTIES WERE THAT YOU ENGAGED WITH? YEAH. SO THE CITY, UNION COUNTY, MILLCREEK TOWNSHIP, ALLEN TOWNSHIP, JEROME TOWNSHIP, TOLTEC. I'M GOING TO GO FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. JOHN ALDER SCHOOL DISTRICT, DUBLIN SCHOOL DISTRICT, FAIRBANKS SCHOOL DISTRICT, MARYSVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS NORTH UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND OF COURSE, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. I THINK I GOT THEM ALL. SO THOSE WERE THE MAIN PARTIES. THE CIC, WHICH IS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARM, PARTICIPATED IN THOSE AS WELL IN SOME OF THE MEETINGS WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE ENTITIES AS WELL. THANK YOU. SO IT'S HARD WHEN YOU BRING EVERYONE AROUND THE TABLE. YOU GOTTA HAVE TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM AND TRY TO DEVELOP A POLICY THAT WE THINK IS BENEFICIAL TO ALL. IT IS A PROVEN BEST PRACTICE TO HAVE INCENTIVE POLICY. IT ESTABLISHES FRAMEWORKS OR FRAMEWORK FOR GUIDELINES ON HOW WE LOOK AT INCENTIVES, AND ALSO ADDS A BUSINESS LIKE APPROACH. PRIOR TO HAVING THIS, IT COULD TAKE MAYBE 5 TO 6 WEEKS TO GET AN ANSWER TO A COMPANY, WHICH IS JUST NOT BUSINESS LIKE YOU. IT HAS TO BE EXPEDITED. WHEN YOU RESPOND TO A COMPANY. IT IS ALSO THE SET OF STANDARDS THAT EVERYONE CAN AGREE TO. IT ACTUALLY REDUCES BUREAUCRACY, HELPS US THROUGH THE PROCESS AND UNDERSTAND THESE ARE GUIDELINES. THESE ARE NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DO, BUT AT LEAST PUTS GUARDRAILS ON. WHEN WE TALK TO TALK TO COMPANIES, IT'S ALSO TREMENDOUS VALUE. I CANNOT EMPHASIZE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT ON THIS ENTIRE SLIDE IS THAT THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THE TOWNSHIP ALL NEED TO BE IN. THE SCHOOLS NEED TO BE IN ALIGNMENT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE INCENTIVES AND HOW THEY HOW THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY, IT ALSO BALANCES THE ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY GOALS. IT HELPS TO ENSURE THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENTS. YOU'LL SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER ON. AND IT'S ALSO IT'S INTENDED TO BE A GUIDE. IT IS MEANT TO BE FLEXIBLE. AS WE LOOK AT THIS AS WELL. SO OF COURSE, LOOKING AT ROI TO A COMMUNITY, YOU CAN SEE THE REVENUES. I'M NOT GOING TO READ EACH ONE OF THESE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT REVENUES TO DIFFERENT. AND OF COURSE THESE IMPACT THE CITY, DIFFERENT FROM THE COUNTY, DIFFERENT FROM THE TOWNSHIP DIFFERENT TO THE SCHOOLS. BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE COST TO THE RIGHT. AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE ROI. THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL. AND THE THEORY IS THAT THE TAXES, OF COURSE, ARE MORE THAN THE EXPENSES. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU TRY TO WORK ON WHEN YOU LOOK AT INCENTIVES. THESE THIS.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THIS THANK GOODNESS. RIGHT. WHAT THIS EXPLAINS. AND I WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS SIDE. WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TAX ABATEMENTS IN OHIO. YOU HAVE WHAT THEY CALL THE CRA. YOU'VE HEARD THAT COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA THAT'S AN OLDER DESIGNATION STATUTE WITH THE STATE. BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO A 75% UP TO 15 YEARS WITHOUT SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL. NOW, THE MEGA, THE MEGA SITE IN WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT, LATER ON ALLOWS YOU TO GO TO 30 YEARS 100 WITH SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL. BUT ANYTHING ABOVE 15 YEARS OR 75% REQUIRES SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL. AND SO THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE ENTERPRISE ZONE,

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THE CITY HAS TO CONSENT. AS PART OF THAT, CRA IS TYPICALLY DESIGNATED BY A CITY OR A COUNTY IN MARYSVILLE. I THINK WE HAVE FOUR NOW. YOU HAVE ONE IN HISTORIC UPTOWN MARYSVILLE. YOU HAVE ONE IN THE INNOVATION DISTRICT. YOU HAVE ONE IN NORTH MAIN, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NEW CONNECT ONE YOU CREATED LAST YEAR. AND TO THE RIGHT. I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT. THAT JUST SHOWS YOU HOW YOU WORK OUT AND YOU DO THE EQUATION AND FIGURING OUT WHAT A TAX ABATEMENT VALUE IS.

AND BASICALLY A TAX ABATEMENT I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND. BUT A TAX ABATEMENT IS REALLY THE BENEFIT OF THE COMPANY. IT'S A TAX CREDIT ON YOUR TAX DUPLICATE ON YOUR TAX BILL EACH YEAR. THIS JUST SHOWS YOU SOME AREAS WE'RE COMPETING WITH. OF COURSE, WE KNOW THE REGIONAL CHARACTERS THAT WE DEAL WITH OR COMPETE WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE COMPANIES OR THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE COMPETE WITH, AND MOSTLY IN THE SOUTHEAST AND THE MIDWEST AS WE COMPETE WITH THIS SLIDE. YOU'VE SEEN THIS SLIDE BEFORE. THIS GIVES YOU EXAMPLES OF SOME OF OUR REGIONAL COMPETITORS. AS YOU CAN SEE, A NUMBER OF THEM ACTUALLY OFFER 100% 15 YEAR ABATEMENT. WHEN WE DID AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE IMPACT ANALYSIS BACK IN 2020, WE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN HOW WE LOOK AT TAX INCENTIVES. YOU MIGHT NOT HEAR THAT IN THE PUBLIC, BUT WE ARE COMPARED TO WHAT SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING. RICKENBACKER WEST 15 YEAR, 100% TAX ABATEMENTS TYPICALLY IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. WE TYPICALLY DO 7510 TONIGHT YOU HAVE 130 WITH THE PILOT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT YOU TEND TO BE MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE. SO ALL TOLD, SINCE 1990 THESE DO NOT INCLUDE THE HONDA. WE HAVE TWO ABATEMENTS THAT WERE DONE FOR HONDA WHEN THEY LOCATED HERE IN 1979 AND 1982. 215 YEAR, 100% CRA TAX ABATEMENTS WERE APPROVED FOR HONDA, BUT THEY ARE 65. SINCE 1990. THERE ARE FIVE MUNICIPAL INCOME TAX CREDITS. OVER TIME THAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU HAVE ONE ACTUALLY EXPIRED THIS LAST YEAR. YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY ACTIVE NOW. SO THAT SLIDE THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN. YOU HAVE 2028 ACTIVE ABATEMENT AGREEMENTS GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN. THOSE NINE RESIDENTIAL AND UPTOWN MARYSVILLE HISTORIC UPTOWN MARYSVILLE. WE WERE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR HOMES, IMPROVE THEIR HOMES AS WELL. THE LARGE PROJECTS. I'M NOT GOING THROUGH EACH OF THOSE, BUT IT GIVES YOU THE KIND OF THE BREAKDOWN WE ONLY HAVE ONE THAT'S REQUIRED SCHOOL. THAT'S ACTUALLY SOON TO BE TWO. IF COUNCIL APPROVES TONIGHT, POTENTIALLY YOU'LL HAVE TWO ACTIVE ABATEMENTS. THAT'S REQUIRED SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL. SO LOOKING BACK SINCE 1990, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS WE'VE OFFERED 60 COMMERCIAL TAX INCENTIVES SINCE 1990. IT'S A LONG TIME AGO, BUT WE'VE CREATED AN ESTIMATED 872 JOBS, RETAINED A LITTLE BIT OVER 1100 JOBS, WITH AN ANNUAL PAYROLL OF ABOUT $100 MILLION. AND THE INVESTMENT, WE REALIZE, IS ABOUT $182 MILLION. AND THESE WERE PUT TOGETHER. THIS IS DATA, HISTORICAL DATA THAT WE ACTUALLY KEEP. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE HONDA. HONDA AGAIN RECEIVED TWO TAX ABATEMENTS. THEIR INVESTMENTS EXCEED $6 BILLION AND 8000 POSITIONS ABOUT SEVEN MILES FROM WHERE WE'RE SITTING. A LOT OF CITY RESIDENTS ACTUALLY WORK AT, AS WE ALL KNOW. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN ANALYSIS OF THE IMPACT OF ABATEMENTS SINCE DAY ONE, THERE ARE CURRENTLY 1200 BUSINESSES IN ALL OF UNION COUNTY. ONLY 60 HAVE RECEIVED. THAT'S ABOUT 5% OF BUSINESSES ACTUALLY HAVE RECEIVED TAX ABATEMENTS. LAST YEAR, THERE WERE 179 COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS BUILDING PERMITS THAT WERE ISSUED IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY. ONLY FOUR RECEIVED TAX INCENTIVES OR TAX ABATEMENTS.

THAT'S ABOUT 2.2%. COLEMAN'S CROSSING. AND THIS IS ANOTHER POINT BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TIFS, BUT COLEMAN'S CROSSING CITY GATE, DUBLIN GREEN, WHICH IS DOWN WHERE THE COSTCO IS LOCATED IN JEROME TOWNSHIP AT COOK'S POINT, HAVE ACTUALLY CREATED OVER 1700 JOBS WITH OVER ON NEARLY A $40 MILLION IN PAYROLL. THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEVER TALK ABOUT THE TIFS, BUT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN GENERATED. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE LIVE, LIVE OTHER LOCATIONS, ACTUALLY TRAVEL HERE TO WORK AS WELL. AS I SAID EARLIER ON THIS BULLET POINT, WE TEND TO BE CONSERVATIVE COMPARED TO OTHER OTHER COMMUNITIES IN CENTRAL OHIO. NOW, MOVING ON TO THE NEW INCENTIVE THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. BUT LOOKING AT SOME OF THE GOALS THAT AFTER OUR STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AND I IN THE PRESENTATION, I THINK I SHARED WITH YOU HAS HAS ALL THE INFORMATION FROM ALL THE INTERVIEWS IN AGGREGATE. BUT THESE ARE THE GOALS THAT WE KIND OF SETTLED ON AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. ONE, THAT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD GO BEYOND THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, SO IT SHOULD GO OUT AND SHOULD HAVE AN IMPACT, A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. WE SHOULD FOCUS GROWTH ON US. 33 OF COURSE, THE VILLAGE OF RICHWOOD, AND ALSO

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YOU ACTUALLY LOSE A POINT IF YOU'RE AT THE LEVEL OR BELOW. SO WE ACTUALLY DEDUCT A POINT FOR THAT. IF YOU DON'T SATISFY THAT, A SCHOOL DISTRICT ANNUAL DONATION. AGAIN THIS IS NOT A PILOT PAYMENT. THIS IS BASICALLY A DONATION INTO THE BOOSTERS, INTO THE FOUNDATION, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT YOU GET MORE POINTS FOR AS WELL. EXISTING BUSINESSES. WE GIVE TWO. THAT'S RETENTION. 80% OF YOUR PROJECTS TYPICALLY COME FROM EXISTING COMPANIES. WE WANT TO REWARD THAT OWNER OCCUPIED VERSUS MULTI-TENANT. WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THAT. SO YOU GET MORE POINTS FOR THAT TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECT. THAT'S KIND OF THE CATCH. ALL THAT SAYS, HEY, LOOK, IF THIS PROJECT IS LARGE ENOUGH, WE REALLY WANT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN THE TOTAL POINTS YOU COULD RECEIVE IS 28. IF YOU IF YOU MEET EVERYTHING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ATYPICAL TO SEE ANYONE MEET A, MEET ALL 28 TO THE RIGHT GIVES YOU LEVELS SO 0 TO 3 POINTS, NO INCENTIVE, 4 TO 7. YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT WHICH IS 35.5. NOW YOU ALSO HAVE INCOME TAX REBATE THAT THE CITY HAS DONE FIVE OF THOSE. THIS ALSO GIVES YOU GUARDRAILS FOR THAT WHICH WE'VE NEVER REALLY HAD. AND IT SHOWS YOU THAT I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THEM. BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE EACH OF THE POINTS EQUAL THE AMOUNT OF ABATEMENT. AND THEN MEGA PROJECT IS DECIDED, WHICH YOU WILL DECIDE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SO WE LEFT THAT OPEN BECAUSE THE STATE OF OHIO KIND OF SETS THE PARAMETERS FOR THAT. SO THAT IS KIND OF THE BASIS OF THE SCORING THAT THEY CAME UP WITH. WE'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THIS DOCUMENT, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF REALLY GREAT SUGGESTIONS ON THIS DOCUMENT. COMMUNITY PLANS IS ONE SOMETHING WE ADDED. WE ALSO ADDED THE AVERAGE WAGE TO BE HIGHER. SO WE'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS LISTENING TO THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED. SO I'M SORRY A LOT OF WORDS HERE BUT BUT REALLY YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THE FIVE LEVELS AND THE MEGA PROJECTS. THIS TELLS YOU IT GIVES YOU MORE EXPLANATION. THE ONLY TIME YOU HAVE TO DO A PILOT WOULD BE IN ANYTIME YOU GO ABOVE BASICALLY 75% OR TEN YEARS. SO ANYTHING LEVEL FOUR OR ABOVE, LEVELS FOUR AND FIVE, THAT REQUIRES SOME TYPE OF PILOT PAYMENT TO MAKE THE SCHOOL'S ABATEMENT EQUAL 75%. AND THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL IS. BELOW TALKS ABOUT INCOME TAX SHARE. THAT WOULD BE A 5050 SPLIT OF INCOME TAX FOR THE OPERATIONS. THE PILOT I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY. SCHOOL PARTNERSHIPS.

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WHAT THIS SAYS IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT FOR EVERY PROJECT. SO SOME COMMUNITIES DO THAT. WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS WE'LL DO THEM IF THEY'RE TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECTS, IF THEY'RE SOMETHING THAT LIKE CONNECT IS A VERY UNIQUE TYPE OF PROJECTS PROJECT, AND THEN ALSO COMMUNITY AUTHORITIES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY AUTHORITIES RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE A VERY, VERY UNDERUSED TOOL IN OHIO. I WOULD I WOULD SAY, BUT IT ENSURES THAT DEVELOPMENT PAYS

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SO KEEPING IT CONSISTENT CAN MAKE IT SIMPLE. AND LOOKING AT THIS GOING FORWARD SCHOOLS YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT. WHY WOULD THE SCHOOLS WANT THEY'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE ORIGINAL INCIDENT POLICY. WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO REENTER AND MOVE FORWARD. IT REQUIRES PARTNERSHIPS AND THAT'S KEY. AND WHEN WE BRING IN, WE HAVE TO HAVE ALIGNMENT AND ENCOURAGES SCHOOL INVESTMENTS. IF PILOT IS NOT REQUIRED, AS YOU AS YOU SAW EARLIER, REQUIRES, PILOT ABATEMENT EXCEEDS 75% 100%. ABATEMENTS WITH PILOTS AND OR INVESTMENTS DO NOT COUNT AGAINST THE STATE SCHOOL FUNDING FORMULA, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO THE SCHOOLS. RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TIPS SHALL BE NON-SCHOOL TIPS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, AND THEN ALSO MEGA PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENTS THAT EXCEED 200 ACRES REQUIRE EARLY ENGAGEMENT WITH SCHOOLS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO GET THEM AT THE TABLE. WHEN YOU HAVE A TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECT AT AN EARLIER STAGE. SO THEY HAVE A SAY AS WE WORK ON THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. CONNECT REALTY IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES. MARYSVILLE EAST IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES. WE WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN WE INVOLVE OUR STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING THE SCHOOLS, IN THOSE EARLY CONVERSATIONS. WHAT DOES IT MEAN FROM A JURISDICTIONAL FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE? WHY IS THIS GOOD? IT EVALUATES TAX PROJECTIONS AND ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF EACH PROJECT. WE MODERNIZE THE INCENTIVE POLICY, NOT JUST FOCUSING ON JOBS, INVESTMENT, AND PAYROLL. WE ALSO LOOK AT GOALS AND COMMUNITY VALUES AS WE EVALUATE THIS, OUR INCENTIVES THAT COME IN TO US WITH THE APPROVALS REQUIRED REQUIRES COLLABORATION WITH THE WITH THE CITY, THE TOWNSHIPS AND THE COUNTY ENCOURAGES JURISDICTIONS TO WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH THE SCHOOLS, OF COURSE, PROMOTES INVESTMENT IN JOBS THAT IMPACT THE PROPERTY TAX, INCOME TAX AND SALES TAX THAT THAT ALL EACH DIFFERENT ENTITIES ACTUALLY LOOK FORWARD TO. INCENTIVES ARE REVIEWED ANNUALLY BY PERFORMANCE REQUIRES CLAWBACKS FOR RECIPIENTS THAT DO NOT MEET APPROVED TARGETS. THAT'S IMPORTANT. PROMOTES AREAS IN MILL CREEK AND JEROME TOWNSHIP THAT ARE PART OF THE KDA THAT THE CITY IS ENTERED INTO, SO IT ENCOURAGES MORE INCOME TAX AND AGAIN PROVIDES ALIGNMENT OF JURISDICTIONS ON HOW WE APPROACH DEVELOPMENT TOGETHER. AND THAT'S A HUGE ALIGNMENT HAVING THE COUNTY AT THE TABLE, THE TOWNSHIPS AT THE TABLE. IT MEANS A LOT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO COMPANY A THAT COMES TO VISIT. IT SHOWS ALIGNMENT. A LOT OF TIMES THESE COMPANIES WILL COME IN. THEY DO NOT WANT TO MEET WITH EACH STAKEHOLDER. THEY'LL ASK US TO MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS ON THEIR BEHALF. AND THAT'S THAT HAPPENS A LOT IN THESE CASES AS WELL. AND THEY AND ONE OF IT'S A IT'S A TEST FOR US. THEY WANT US TO SHOW THAT WE TALK TO OUR SCHOOLS, THAT WE COMMUNICATE WITH OUR SCHOOLS, THAT WE COMMUNICATE WITH OUR COUNTY, AND WE HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN COMPANIES TALK TO US. SO CLOSING CONSIDERATIONS A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO YOU KNOW IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT US PART OF OHIO. THERE ARE ONLY 18 COUNTIES. AND I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS THAT ARE GROWING IN ONLY 60 OUT OF 600 SCHOOL DISTRICTS GROWING IN OHIO. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE SCARY STATS. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. WE'RE NUMBER ONE OF 18. BUT IT'S ALL RELATIVE BECAUSE WE'RE STILL NOT GROWING AS FAST AS MANY OTHER COUNTIES AROUND THE COUNTRY WHERE WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. BUT WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO CONTINUE TO BUILD OUR TAX BASE AS WE GO FORWARD. THEY'RE NOT YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT NECESSARY.

NOT NECESSARY, BUT BUT TO COMPETE WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEY ARE REALITY. AND AGAIN, WE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN HOW WE LOOK AT TAX ABATEMENTS. AND IT'S ALSO PUTS US IN A BETTER POSITION TO WIN IF WE HAVE THIS INCENTIVE POLICY IN PLACE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GROW THE TAX REVENUE BASE, TO BENEFIT THE JURISDICTIONS AND SCHOOLS, AND THESE ARE UNREALIZED TAXES. THESE ARE REALLY NOT TAXES LOST. AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS AN INVESTMENT FOR THE FUTURE. AND THEN ALSO A POINT TO BE MADE HERE. RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS. AND A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES, EITHER RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, ARE ACTUALLY IN AUV. IT'S AN INCENTIVE FOR AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED HERE IN UNION COUNTY, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED IN OHIO BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW TO MAKE THINGS MANUFACTURING, BUT WE ALSO KNOW HOW TO GROW THINGS REALLY WELL. IT'S IN OUR DNA. AND SO OUR AG BASE IS VERY IMPORTANT. BUT WHEN YOU DO EVEN A TAX INCENTIVE ON A PROPERTY, BRINGING IT OUT OF AUV

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THANKS, ERIC. SO I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS WRITTEN DOWN HERE. SO ONE YOU LIST VARIOUS VALUES AND TIERS TO QUALIFY FOR DIFFERENT LEVEL OF INCENTIVES OVER TIME. DO THESE ADJUST WITH INFLATION? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. AND I THINK IT I THINK THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC REVIEW. EVERY FIVE YEARS I GO BACK AND READ THE DOCUMENT, AND THERE MIGHT BE A FIVE YEAR PROVISION IN THERE WHERE WE LOOK AT THE VALUES AND SO FORTH, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD SOMETHING IF IT'S NOT THERE. WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT. I DO KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN THE SECOND QUESTION. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COUNTY AVERAGE WAGE, WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THAT INFORMATION? IS IT U.S. LABOR DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY PROVIDES THAT SALARY. AND HOW OFTEN DOES THAT GET UPDATED IS THAT I THINK IT'S OPEN TO EVERY YEAR I THINK IS WHAT IT IS. SO IT LASTS FOR A WHOLE YEAR. AND THEN THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE BY ANY MEANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE PARTICIPATION BY ALL STAKEHOLDERS, BUT THE GOAL IS TO ACHIEVE THAT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE PARTICIPATION BY ALL STAKEHOLDERS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE FOR INSTANCE, THE SCHOOL, AS YOU KNOW, HAD PASSED A RECENT RESOLUTION SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE AT THE AT THE TABLE IN INITIAL NEGOTIATIONS. SO HOW DOES THIS COINCIDE IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. SO GREAT QUESTION. SO ULTIMATELY THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AUTHORITY TO APPROVE A TAX ABATEMENTS. THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE AUTHORITY.

THE SCHOOLS DO NOT. IF YOU IF YOU KEEP IT UNDER THE 15 YEAR OR UNDER THE 75% OR 15 YEARS, YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THOSE INCENTIVES WITHOUT SCHOOL SCHOOL INVOLVEMENT. SO TECHNICALLY YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THOSE ABATEMENTS WITHOUT. HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT THE GOAL. WE WANT THE SCHOOLS TO BE AT THE TABLE. IT'S JUST IN SOME OF THESE CASES, I CAN UNDERSTAND THEM WANTING TO BE AT THE TABLE WITH A MEGA PROJECT OR A LARGER PROJECT. BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A TEN ACRE OR A 12 ACRE SITE, THOSE COMPANIES SOMETIMES DO NOT WANT TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY WITH EACH STAKEHOLDER. IF YOU HAVE THE SCHOOLS THERE, THEN I THINK YOU NEED COUNTY HEALTH. YOU NEED ALL THE COUNTY, YOU NEED ALL THE COUNTY AGENCIES. AND THEN EVERYONE AROUND THE TABLE WILL WANT SOMETHING OR SOME, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY. AND SO I

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BUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS REVENUE. AND THEN I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION, CAN WE ALSO LOOK AT COST. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT LOOK INTO AND MAKE SOMETHING WE COULD USE HERE IN UNION COUNTY. FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, IF WE DON'T, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MODELS OUT THERE THAT DO THE COST ANALYSIS. SO WE WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF ANALYSIS ON OUR OWN IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT COST, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED TO GET TO THE COST ASPECT OF IT. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. AND I'M SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO STAY ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE AND THEN WORK MY WAY DOWN. IS THAT OKAY. SO MR. REAMS DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING I'LL JUST. NO. MRS. KRAMER. YEAH. I JUST WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE PROJECT SCORING AND THE SLIDE. IT'S HARD TO READ, I APOLOGIZE. IT'S A BIG SLIDE. AND SO I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED PEOPLE CAME IN FROM COLUMBUS ON THIS. LOOK A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOME OF THESE THINGS WENT. I'M JUST INTERESTED IN OUR CONTEXT HERE IN MARYSVILLE AND, YOU KNOW, BIT SMALLER COMMUNITY. AND, YOU KNOW, SEEING A LOT OF THESE TEND TO BE A BIT SKEWED TOWARDS REALLY BIG. AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ON IN THESE, THE PROJECT SCORING, LIKE THE EFFICIENCY OF A PRODUCT OR OF THE PROJECT OR BUILDING EFFICIENCY OR FOOTPRINT, RESOURCE USE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE FOR NOT JUST BUILDING BIG, BUT THE WAY THEY DO BUSINESS. AND, YOU KNOW, ALSO IN THIS COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE INCREASED INCENTIVES FOR LIKE THE COUNTY AVERAGE WAGE. BUT AT SOME POINT, IF YOU'RE CREATING A FEW JOBS WITH REALLY HIGH WAGES, WHICH MIGHT BE THE CASE FOR SOME OF THESE, ARE WE SKEWING TOO FAR TOWARDS THOSE HIGH WAGES TO, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE THIS NOT AS FEASIBLE FOR A DIVERSE SET OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, VALUABLE OR OPTIMAL FOR US. YEAH. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GREEN STANDARDS LIKE BUILDING GREEN VERSUS ONLY ONE COMPONENT. AND I'M SO SORRY I DID NOT HAVE MY MICROPHONE ON.

SO I'M I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT VARIOUS ASPECTS. NOT THAT IN SPECIFIC BUT YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUILDINGS OF THE FUTURE AND HOW WE'RE HAVING SUCH RAPID CHANGES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY BUILDINGS LOOK AND OPERATE. AND AGAIN, JUST INCENTIVES FOR BUSINESSES WHO OPERATE IN DIFFERENT WAYS OR HAVE DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES TO HAVE MORE DIVERSITY AND INCENTIVES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT A LEED CERTIFICATION AS AS A YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF THAT. SO IT DEPENDS ON MAYBE THERE IS A COMMENT OR A POINT.

IF YOU BECOME MORE GREEN FROM A BUILDING EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.

SOME COMMUNITIES ACTUALLY INCENT THAT. SO THAT'S A GREAT POINT. GREAT ADDITION. THE SECOND QUESTION ARE ABOUT JOBS AND ALL THAT. NOW KEEP IN MIND THE AVERAGE SALARY IN THE COUNTY IS 56. AROUND 60 $56,000. MAJORITY OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE DO FROM AN INCENTIVE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABOVE 60. SO LIKE THE PROJECT TONIGHT WITH AMAZON, IT'S 90. SO MOST OF THEM ACTUALLY ARE ALREADY ABOVE THAT 56, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS. SO I THINK THAT ISSUE IS HANDLED BY MAJORITY OF PROJECTS ARE THAT HIGH. FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S KIND OF HOW I WOULD ANSWER THAT. WELL.

AND I GUESS TO THAT POINT, WE ALL LIKE HIGH WAGES. AND YES, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S KIND OF A PLAYING FIELD, THAT WE'RE NOT RULING THINGS OUT THAT MIGHT NOT, YOU KNOW, THE INCENTIVE POINTS JUMP UP QUITE RAPIDLY WITH WITH THOSE INCREASE

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IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, A TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU THINK WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THAT WE WANT TO SEE HERE, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU.

OKAY. OKAY. SO I'LL GO TO NO, NO, YOU I JUST I THINK I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF MISS KRAMER, I THINK WHERE YOU WERE HEADING WITH THIS WAS INTRODUCING, LIKE, A SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVE OR RANKING IN THE SCORECARD TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION CONSIDERATION ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY INITIATIVES AND SUSTAINABILITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT. I WAS MR. HUNTER HIT ON A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS. I'M INTERESTED MORE IN KIND OF THE LOGIC BEHIND THE SCORING MECHANISM BECAUSE I SEE, YOU KNOW, ZERO NO INCENTIVE JUMPS TO 35% AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S 3 OR 4 BASIS POINTS UNTIL YOU GET TO 19. AND THEN 19 IS KIND OF THE CUTOFF. IS THERE IS THERE A REASON WHY IT WAS 19. AND THAT'S WHERE OH, IF WE HIT 19 POINTS AND WE'RE 100% FOR 15 YEARS AUTOMATICALLY. AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT THERE WAS A PARTICULAR PROJECT ON THE NEXT PAGE THAT WAS 19. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT JUSTIFICATION OR THE LOGIC BEHIND THE RANKING. AND IF IT'S WARRANTED THAT WE PUT AN ADDITIONAL LAYER AND MAYBE ADD LIKE A 25% AND THEN LOOK AT MAYBE 35 OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IT JUST SEEMS IT IT'S WEIRD TO ME THAT WE'RE 3 OR 4 BASIS POINTS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN PERCENTAGE AMOUNTS, BUT THEN WE GET TO THIS MAGICAL 19 NUMBER AND IT'S 100%. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CONSULTANT. AND I THINK IT'S AN EVALUATION OF OUR CURRENT ABATEMENTS. WE DID ADD A LEVEL AND ORIGINALLY IT WAS 50. IT WAS STARTED OFF AT A LEVEL. LEVEL TWO WAS ACTUALLY LEVEL ONE. SO WE ADDED A 35 FIVE YEARS TO MAKE IT FOR SMALLER PROJECTS TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT. SO THAT LEVEL IS ACTUALLY WAS ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY I THINK FOUR LEVELS. AND SO WE ADDED THAT. NOW AGAIN THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH POINT SYSTEMS. THERE'S NO PERFECT PERFECT SETUP OR RANGES. HAPPY TO LOOK AT ANOTHER POTENTIAL OPTION. YOU KNOW FROM AN INCENTIVE STANDPOINT I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER PROBABLY GOING TO GET IT PERFECTLY RIGHT, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TEST IT GOING FORWARD TO SEE HOW IT WORKS WITH PROJECTS. AND THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THAT STEP OF LOOKING AT HOW IT COMPARED TO DIFFERENT PROJECTS. IF I BRING THAT UP AS WELL, THAT'S WHY WE DID THIS, TO SEE HOW IT LOOKED. AND I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT THAT SOME OF THIS BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT SHOWS YOU A GOOD BREAKDOWN, I THINK, AND IT DOES REDUCE A NUMBER OF THESE ABATEMENTS FOR SOME OF THESE COMPANIES IN THE LONG RUN. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. OKAY. BUT WE CAN LOOK AT ANOTHER SMALLER LEVEL. I WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE POINT RANGE, HOWEVER. AND THEN I THINK YOU HAD SAID YOU WERE WAITING.

MARCH 1ST WAS FEEDBACK. FEEDBACK WAS DUE MARCH 1ST. HAVE YOU WHO ARE WE WAITING FOR? OR I GUESS WHAT'S THE GENERAL CONSENSUS ON THIS INITIAL DRAFT? YEAH. SO WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY FROM JOHN ALDER SCHOOL DISTRICT, FROM TOLLS. WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY. JEROME TOWNSHIP HAS MADE COMMENTS ALREADY AS WELL, AND THE CITY HAS MADE COMMENTS. SO THAT'S REALLY THE GROUP THAT HAS ACTUALLY MADE COMMENTS ON THAT. ARE THEY ARE YOU ALLOWED TO SHARE HOW, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY FAVORABLE OR ARE THEY THERE. SO ACTUALLY THE SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS LIKE WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT OF THE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS GOOD, THE AVERAGE WAGE, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, BARRY ADLER TRUSTEE SAID, HEY LOOK, YOU KNOW AND INSTEAD OF SAYING AT OR BELOW, LET'S, LET'S ENCOURAGE HIGHER PAYING JOBS. AND THIS PRESIDENT COUNCIL HAS THIS IS WHAT I THINK. AND HIS HIS COMMENTS IN THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. THIS INCENTIVIZES HIGHER PAYING JOBS. THAT WAS ONE CHANGE. COMMUNITY PLANS WAS SOMETHING THAT BARRY ADLER HAD SUGGESTED. BUT AGAIN, IT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I THINK THAT FALLS INTO REALLY WHAT WE WANT GOING FORWARD AS WELL. AND THAT WAS THE IMPACT, THAT WAS COMMENTS THAT WE GOT BACK AS WELL. THE OWNER OCCUPIED WAS ANOTHER INPUT THAT WE'D RATHER SEE OWNER OCCUPIED THAN MULTI-TENANT. LET'S INCENTIVIZE THOSE HIGHER BECAUSE WE'D LIKE THOSE SINGLE TENANT USERS WAS ANOTHER ONE. SO WE'VE MADE A TON OF CHANGES AS A RESULT. THE LEVELS ACTUALLY CAME FROM I'M SORRY. MILLCREEK TOWNSHIP COMMENTED ON THE LEVELS AND SUGGESTED A LOWER LEVEL TO THE 35 TO YOUR POINT, FIVE YEARS, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT CAME FROM. SO THERE'S BEEN TWEAKS TO THIS FROM ALL THAT INPUT. AND MY LAST COMMENT IS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS DONE RIGHT. AND I KNOW THAT YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A YEAR, AND MAYBE

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SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND I MEAN NO DISRESPECT, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS THAT THIS IS A DONE RIGHT AND BE AGREEABLE BECAUSE I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF IT'S A TOOL. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATIC. BUT I, I WANT TO ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS THE CASE AND THAT EVERYTHING IN HERE IS CONCRETE AND UNDERSTOOD BEFORE WE EVEN THINK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY SORT OF EDA FOR, FOR AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TODAY OR BUY INTO. SO THIS IS, THIS IS WE'VE UNVEILED THIS.

WE'RE NOW IN DISCUSSIONS. LET'S MAKE THIS A BETTER DOCUMENT. LET'S HEAR FROM EVERYONE. LET'S TRY TO IMPROVE. IT MAY NOT INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THERE, BUT LET'S MAKE THIS THE BEST DOCUMENT POSSIBLE AS A COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN ACCEPT AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD UNDERSTANDING WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING POLICY. THIS MAKES IT BETTER. THIS IS ACTUALLY AN IMPROVEMENT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. PHILLIPS. I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY ON PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT. BUT MR. WOLFF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO. YEAH. TWO THINGS. ONE COMMENT, YOUR DISCUSSION ON THE POSSIBILITY OF EXPANDING THE RANGES THERE, THE LEVELS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF LOOKED INTO A LITTLE MORE IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IT UP TO WHERE MAYBE YOU GET INTO THE MID 20S AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE 100% 15 YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK THAT'S A WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION. AND MY ONE QUESTION, WAS THERE ANY CONVERSATION OR LOOK INTO IF THESE COMPANIES COMING IN HERE ARE WHAT PERCENT KIND OF HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE USING? BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG THING. AND YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT TONIGHT IT'S LIMITED AT 55,000 GALLONS. BUT IS THERE, YOU KNOW, PROJECT DOWN THE LINE THAT COMES IN THAT WANTS TO TRY AND DO 200,000 GALLONS A DAY, WHATEVER THAT IS.

WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON, YOU KNOW, 0 TO 1 OR WHATEVER THE POINT SCALE WOULD BE TO LIMIT WATER, WATER USAGE BY DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS? YEAH. SO WHEN WE GET LEADS, GREAT. GREAT QUESTION. WHEN WE GET IN BACK ON THE POINT SYSTEM, IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEW LEVELS, HAPPY TO LISTEN TO ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU MAY HAVE. WE CAN DEFINITELY SEE AND RUN IT WITH THE EXISTING INCENTIVES TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WE IF WE HAVE AN INTENSIVE WATER USAGE, I GO RIGHT TO MR. HOYT AND SAY, JEREMY, HERE ARE THE JOBS, HERE ARE THE INVESTMENT HERE. HERE'S HOW MUCH WATER THEY WANT. CAN WE PROVIDE THE WATER FOR THE JOB LEVEL. AND WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WATER USERS THAT EXCEED OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE WATER. I GUESS HOW I WOULD ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW IF A POINT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE, BUT WE HAVE TURNED SOME PROJECTS POTENTIALLY AWAY BECAUSE WE THEY HAD A HUGE WATER REQUIREMENT GOING FORWARD. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE ON UNTIL WE BUILD THAT SECOND PLANT. MAYBE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE MORE WATER. THAT ISSUE IS NOT UNIQUE TO US. IT'S THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WITH WITH WATER CAPACITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BUT GREAT QUESTION. AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING A WATER PROJECT HERE THAT WILL CONSUME TOO MUCH WATER THAT WE CANNOT PROVIDE YET PLAN FOR OUR FUTURE GROWTH. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE TIE IN JEREMY AND KYLE AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS VERY EARLY BEFORE WE SUBMIT, BEFORE WE HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMPANY. I THINK I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THERE WE GO. SO FROM THE LOOKS OF IT, HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN PARTICULARLY ON ABATEMENTS TEN YEARS 75. YEAH. SO THE 15 THAT SEEMS TO NOW BECOME THE NEW NORM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 10 TO 15 WITH OF COURSE THE EXCEPTION. IF YOU GO DOWN IN POINTS. YEAH. THEN YOU HAVE FIVE YEARS OR SEVEN YEARS. BUT YOU BASICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO 15 YEARS, THAT IS STILL AND AGAIN, I'M ONLY LOOKING AT MARYSVILLE, OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEY MAY TAKE THE SAME APPROACH, BUT I ONLY WANT TO FOCUS ON MARYSVILLE HERE. SO IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A PROJECT SCORING AND THEN 15, THAT'S STILL A CITY ONLY DECISION. YEAH, THAT'S NOT A SCHOOL DECISION. THAT'S NOT SO MUCH A COUNTY DECISION THAT IS STILL A CITY DECISION TO GO WITH THE 15 YEAR 75 OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE DECIDE TO DO. OR ARE THERE NOW OTHER ENTITIES INVOLVED IN THAT? GREAT QUESTION. SO THE STATES, EVERYONE JUST A FEW YEARS AGO CHANGED THE THRESHOLD

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YES. FREQUENTLY. AND THE PILOT PROGRAM IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEBODY BUILDS HERE THAT IF THEY NOW BUILD FOR, SAY, 25 MILLION, WE KNOW THAT TEN YEARS FROM NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE TAXED OVER 30 MILLION, 35 MILLION. AND AT THE END IT'S GOING TO BE TAXED OVER MUCH MORE. THAT'S WHY THEY DO THE PILOT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC AMOUNT THAT IS GOING TO STAY FOR THE DURATION OF THE, OF THE PROGRAM, THAT. BUT THEN YOU MENTIONED JUST BRIEFLY. YEAH. IS IT THEN DOES IT THEN BECOME AN AUTOMATIC THAT IS GOING TO BE A 50 OVER 50 INCOME SHARE, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE LOOKED AT FOR EVERY PROJECT SEPARATELY. SO IT'S EACH PROJECT ON THAT. I'LL ANSWER THAT. IT'S EACH PROJECT INDIVIDUALLY. SO IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T YOU KNOW, SO IT'S IT APPLIES TO EACH PROJECT AS WE WORK THROUGH 50 OVER 50 SPLIT OF THE OPERATIONAL, YOU KNOW, INCOME TAX THAT'S ACTUALLY GENERATED FROM THE PAYROLL. YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION, I CAN'T REMEMBER YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION. I'M GETTING TOO OLD FOR THAT. WHAT WAS YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION THAT WAS ABOUT SCHOOLS AFTER. SO IF YOU DO IF YOU GO UP AND BEYOND THE 15 YEARS, THEN WE NEED TO GET SCHOOLS. THEN THEY HAVE THE PILOT PROGRAM AS PART OF THEIR INCOME. YEAH, WHICH IS A FIXED AMOUNT OVER THE LENGTH OF TIME. YEAH. SO THAT THEY DON'T THAT WHOEVER DOES THE PROJECT DOES NOT GET HIT EVERY 5 OR 10 YEARS WITH AN INCREASE. YEAH. SO ONE ON YOUR, ON YOUR, ON YOUR TAXES. SO THE BUILDING A BUILDING ACTUALLY DEPRECIATES OVER TIME. SO THE VALUE ACTUALLY WILL COME DOWN OVER TIME. THE LAND TYPICALLY GOES UP OKAY. AND SO UNLESS THE COMPANY DOES REINVESTMENTS IN THEIR BUILDING, THE VALUE OF THAT BUILDING WILL EVENTUALLY GO DOWN AS A DEPRECIATION OVER THE TIME. AND SO THAT WE ASK THE COUNTY AUDITOR, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE US A DEPRECIATION SCHEDULE, WHICH THEY DO. SO WE SO THE BUILDING ACTUALLY GOES DOWN IN VALUE. THE LAND GOES UP TO YOUR, TO YOUR I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR EARLIER QUESTION ON A PILOT, WHEN WE HIRED MONTROSE GROUP, A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT IN 2020, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE DOING 100% WITH THE 25% PILOT. BACK TO THE SCHOOLS. THE SCHOOLS GET BIG BENEFIT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST THEIR STATE FUNDING FORMULA. FURTHERMORE, THE OTHER THING I DID NOT SAY THIS EARLIER IS THE FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED TO A PILOT ARE NOT TIED FOR TO CAPITAL NOR OPERATIONS. IT'S HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SPEND THOSE MONIES, SO IT'S WIDE OPEN. YOU CAN SPEND THEM ON TEACHERS, YOU CAN SPEND THEM ON BUILDINGS, YOU CAN SPEND THEM ON ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SPEND IT. SO THERE'S NO NO TYING DOWN OF THOSE FUNDS. AND I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER KEY FACT. BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FROM 2020. OUR CONSULTANTS AT THIS TIME DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS, THEY CAME BACK WITH THE SAME RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. OKAY.

AND THEN ONE FINAL ONE AGAIN HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ABATEMENTS OKAY. THE CONSENSUS AND THE FEAR THAT CITIZENS STILL HAVE IS THE DREADED TIF. YEAH. AND OF COURSE WE PUT A MORATORIUM ON MULTIFAMILY SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT SHOULD HOLD FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

YEAH. I THAT THAT THAT THAT'S WHY WE DID THE MORATORIUM ON THE MULTIFAMILY. BUT IN WHAT INSTANCE COULD YOU STILL SEE THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE GO SO HOT AND HEAVY WITH COMMUNITY AUTHORITIES? YEAH. WHICH WILL PAY FOR ITSELF IN ITS OWN WAY, BECAUSE THAT WAS ALWAYS THE INTENT. YEAH, THAT THE EXPANSION HAD TO PAY FOR ITSELF AND WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE

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YES. ALL RESIDENTIAL. YES. RESIDENTIAL. RESIDENTIAL. AND WHAT THIS SAYS IF WHEN THAT MORATORIUM WOULD COME OFF POTENTIALLY WHAT THIS SAYS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE SCHOOLS WHOLE IN ANY MULTIFAMILY. SO THEREFORE THEY GET THE FUND OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO GET MADE WHOLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE SITUATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE ONLY COMMENT, THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I'LL MAKE IS THAT, YOU KNOW. NUMEROUS OBVIOUSLY PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, THERE WAS INPUT FROM ALL OF US, FROM ALL ENTITIES. SO IT SHOWS THE COMMUNITY THAT EVERYONE IS WORKING TOGETHER TO BUILD A BETTER COMMUNITY FOR TOMORROW, FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO LIVE HERE. AND SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, YES, I'VE BEEN OPPONENT OF WANTING TO RAISE WAGES. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THE SCHOOLS, IF THE SCHOOLS TEND TO GO AFTER SHARED INCOME AT A $56,000 SALARY, LET'S JUST SAY, AND YOU SHARE THAT INCOME WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IT WILL DRASTICALLY PUT THE CITY IN A HARDSHIP IN THE LONG RUN, ESPECIALLY WHEN OUR COMMUNITY IS AT A 1.5 INCOME TAX. SO, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE WILL SAY HIGH WAGES KILL JOBS. WELL, WHAT WE ARE SEEING BY EYE IS THAT YOU CAN GO TO A LOT OF FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW WITH WHEN YOU ORDER ON YOUR SCREEN, YOU'RE NOW CONTACTED THROUGH AI. SO THE REALITY AT THE SAME TIME, THESE CORPORATIONS ARE STILL GETTING HUGE TAX BREAKS FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT A TIME WHEN THEY'RE HIRING LESS AND LESS PEOPLE. SO I THINK THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS WHEN WE ARE PLANNING OUR CITY FOR THE FUTURE, AND THEN ALSO ENSURING THAT WHATEVER JOBS ARE LOCATED HERE HAS THE ABILITY TO KEEP PAYING FOR RESOURCES.

BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS COUNTRY AND MOST OTHER COUNTRIES IS THAT AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE SAFE HAVENS. ONCE YOU LOSE YOUR JOB, YOU'VE LOST PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING COMPARED TO WHAT MOST COUNTRIES GIVE YOU. THEY STILL PROVIDE YOU WITH HEALTH CARE AND OTHER ISSUES. SO I THINK WE'RE IN A CRITICAL TIME, AND I THINK THAT EVERYTHING IS CHANGING RAPIDLY. AND I THINK THAT A COMPUTER IS GOING TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE THE WAY WE INTERACT. AND IT HAS BEEN AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. BUT I THINK THIS RIGHT HERE SHOWS THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AS WHAT WE CAN DO AS PUBLIC LEADERS TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THE WHEEL.

SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU. MR. FIRST. YEAH. IF YOU'RE FINISHED. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU. ERIC. I KNOW I GOT A CHANCE TO SEE SOME PARTS OF THIS DRAFT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN YOU WERE WORKING ON IT, AND WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THESE POINTS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS A LOT DIFFERENT FROM THE OLD PLAN. THERE'S A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS, ESPECIALLY I LIKE THE PART, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE POINT STRUCTURE AND, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE WAGES AND HOW THAT EQUATES INTO THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AS WE GET SOME MORE INPUT IN GETTING THIS FINALIZED, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG TOOL. IT'S A BIG CHANGE FROM THE LAST

[01:10:04]

[PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION REPORT]

PROS. CONSULTING IS GOING TO BE AT THIS MONTH'S MEETING. SO NEXT TUESDAY, THE 18TH. THAT WAS AN UPDATE. WE GOT THEIR WORK ON. POOL PREPARATION IS ONGOING. THE AMERICAN LEGION AMPHITHEATER REDESIGN AND THE MILL VALLEY SOUTH PLAYGROUND REDESIGN IS UNDERWAY. THE PLAYGROUND REDESIGN THERE AT MILL VALLEY SOUTH WILL HAVE MORE SHADE STRUCTURES AND A TURF OVERLAY, WHICH IS, I THINK, THE ONLY AREA IN THE CITY THAT WOULD HAVE THAT. THE INSTALL FOR THE BARS AT MILL VALLEY CENTRAL IS ALSO UNDERWAY. TREE TRIMMING, AS JEREMY HAD MENTIONED, IS ONGOING. SCHWARZKOPF PARK, THEIR SHELTER REPLACEMENT, IS LOOKING LIKE IT'S GOING TO OCCUR DURING THE FALL. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING TO FIND A NEW VOLUNTEER TO LEAD THE JUNIOR GOLF PROGRAM, SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANYONE, REACH OUT, LET THEM KNOW AND REACH OUT TO STAFF FESTIVE FAIR IN UPTOWN FRIDAY NIGHT. PLANNING IS ONGOING AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE SOME FUN EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER. AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO BRING IN NEW ARTISTS AND SOME OLD ONES THAT WE'VE HAD PERFORM THERE, SO THAT SHOULD BE FUN. A MEETING OCCURRED FOR THE JUNETEENTH BREAKFAST THAT'S COMING THIS JUNE. IT WAS A PRETTY HEAVY UPDATE FROM FROM STAFF AS THERE WERE NO AGENDA ITEMS, SO IT WAS A QUICKER MEETING IN THAT REGARD. AND AS I MENTIONED, THE NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON TUESDAY THE 18TH AT SIX. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER WOLFF HEARING NONE. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE PART OF MEETING WE'RE HEARING OF CITIZENS, ANY CITIZENS UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON ANY TOPIC THAT'S NOT RELATED TO

[Res. A]

BUT JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE HISTORY. IN THE MID 90S WE PURCHASED PROPERTY ON RAYMOND ROAD FOR A FUTURE WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT ENDED UP BEING BUILT IN 2020 THROUGH 2023. WE DID OUR ORIGINAL TRY AT A MASTER PLAN IN 2005. PRIMARY PROJECT FROM THAT INCLUDED BUILDING A NEW WATER TREATMENT PLANT WHEN IT WAS WARRANTED, WENT THROUGH DESIGN FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS AND THEN FROM 20 LATE 2022 UNTIL NOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OUR CURRENT WATER MASTER PLAN, ADDED THIS SLIDE. AFTER TALKING TO JULIE THIS AFTERNOON. SO OUR 2005 MASTER PLAN. SO I FOUND THAT IT SHOWED BY 2025, WE WOULD HAVE 33,000 PEOPLE IN MARYSVILLE AS WELL. WE WOULD HAVE AN AVERAGE WATER USAGE OF 9.8 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. AND WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT ABOUT 3.6 AND A MAX DAY OF 14.6. AND THAT THAT'S RIGHT AROUND 5.6. SO SUFFICE TO SAY, THIS IS JUST THE BEST GUESS OF WHAT WE KNOW AT THIS TIME. HEY, WE THINK THIS MIGHT DEVELOP INTO THIS. IT MAY NOT IT MAY NOT DEVELOP INTO ANYTHING. SO IT STILL COULD BE FARMLAND. SO IT SHOWED WATER LINES. I DON'T LET'S SEE IF I REMEMBER HOW TO USE THE POINTER. BUT FOR THE MOST PART MAYBE NOT ALL THE WAY TO HONDA, BUT PRETTY CLOSE. AND THEN IT SHOWED A LOT OF GROWTH IN THE SOUTHEAST THAT DID NOT CONTEMPLATE JEROME VILLAGE AT THE TIME. SO AGAIN, THINGS MAY DEVELOP DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE THINK NOW IN FIVE YEARS, TO BE HONEST. 1020 EVEN TOMORROW IT MAY DEVELOP JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO THE SCOPE OF THE WATER MASTER PLAN, WE LOOKED AT THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, CREATED A MODEL, MADE SURE THAT THE MODEL FUNCTIONED. HOW WE SEE OUR CURRENT USAGE TODAY MODEL THEN IS DETERMINED TO BE GOOD. AND THEN WE START ADDING PROJECTED FLOWS ON IT. WE LOOKED AT SURFACE WATER EVALUATION, GROUNDWATER AND THEN SOME ALTERNATIVES. OBVIOUSLY THE BIG,

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AND AGAIN, OUR PRIMARY CUSTOMER BASE IS EITHER WITHIN THE CITY OR JEROME TOWNSHIP. ALTHOUGH OUR SERVICE AREA DOES INCLUDE MILL CREEK, WE JUST MILL CREEK TOWNSHIP. WE JUST DON'T REALLY HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THEM YET. SO HERE'S THE MODELING THAT JUST SHOWS THAT SOMEBODY VERY SMART PUT THAT TOGETHER SO THEY'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT DEMANDS BASED ON THE ADVANCED METERING SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP THE CITY PATTERN'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN JEROME TOWNSHIP'S, BUT THIS JUST GOES THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT CALIBRATIONS THAT THEY DID TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MODEL WAS RESPONDING EXACTLY HOW THE SYSTEM FUNCTIONS. HERE WE GET INTO THE FUTURE DEMANDS AND TIMING. SO ANY PROPERTY ESSENTIALLY THAT WE RECEIVED A CALL ON, WE WERE ABLE TO MARK THAT OUT FOR OUR CONSULTANT AND SAY, HEY, I THINK THE DEVELOPER TALKED ABOUT DOING RESIDENTIAL HERE, SO WE PUT A RESIDENTIAL DEMAND ON IT. THEY WERE LOOKING AT INDUSTRIAL. THEN WE MADE A BEST GUESS OF WHAT WE THOUGHT THAT DEMAND COULD BE. SAME WITH COMMERCIAL. SO WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT BASED ON OUR CALLS. BUT THEN ASHLEY AND HER TEAM WAS ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH THEM. LUCY.

AND THEN AS WELL, WE LOOKED AT THE, I GUESS, RECENTLY COMPLETED WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, WHICH WENT THROUGH THE THROUGH THE SAME THING. SO AS IT RELATES TO FUTURE PROJECTIONS, THEY'RE THINKING IN FIVE YEARS WE SHOULD BE AT 5.7 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. AGAIN, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE INCREASED 10%. THAT SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH TO ME, BUT THEY'RE THE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD WITH A 10 MILLION GALLON A DAY MAX PRODUCTION. AND THAT WOULD BE IN 2030. AND THEN THEY PROJECT THAT GROWTH TEN YEARS OUT AND 20 YEARS OUT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERED. SOURCE WATER. SO THROUGHOUT THE WATER MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, WE WERE ABLE TO BUY THE PROPERTY NEAR OUR CURRENT RESERVOIR AND JUST SOUTH OF THE PLANT ON BOTH SIDES OF RAYMOND ROAD. SO WE HAVE THAT AS A FUTURE RESERVOIR SITE AS PART OF THE WATER MASTER PLAN. AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE AS MUCH OUT OF THE CREEK AS THE EPA WILL LET US. SO THEY THEY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A FUTURE MILL CREEK INTAKE SITE A LITTLE FURTHER DOWNSTREAM. SO THIS IS 42 HERE, RIGHT OFF THE PAGE IS RIGHT AROUND WHERE THE SHELLEY QUARRIES ARE. AND AGAIN, IT'S BIG RANGES, BUT THEY FEEL THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET ANYWHERE FROM 4 TO 9 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OUT OF THE CREEK THERE. THE WATERSHED IS ABOUT TRIPLE THERE, SO THREE TIMES AS MUCH ACREAGE AS AS WHERE OUR CURRENT LOCATION IS. ALSO LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVE OR I GUESS, ALTERNATE SOURCE WATER OPTIONS. SO THE FIRST ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, BIG DARBY. THAT'S A NO GO BASED ON EPA REQUIREMENTS. SODA RIVER, WE LOOKED AT THAT AS A POTENTIAL WATER SOURCE. BUT COLUMBUS OWNS

[01:20:03]

SO CURRENTLY, NO ONE'S REALLY DONE IT IN COLUMBUS, ALTHOUGH IN SOME MORE OR SORRY IN OHIO. BUT FOR WHERE THERE'S AREAS THAT AREN'T SERVICED AS WELL BY WATER, SUCH AS FLORIDA AND CALIFORNIA, THEY HAVE DONE IT THERE AND THEY'RE MAKING, MAKING CHANGES TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT I SEE COMING DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE 2 OR 3 YEARS FROM NOW, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE PREDOMINANT IN OHIO AS WELL. WE LOOKED AT AQUIFER STORAGE RECOVERY, WHICH IS WHERE YOU PUMP TREATED WATER DOWN. SO ON A DAY LIKE TODAY, WE'D MAX OUT OUR PLANT AND CREATE 10 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ONLY USING THREE AND A HALF. AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO STICK THAT IN THE AQUIFER. REAL SIMILAR TO, WELL WATER, BUT IT'D BE TREATED. YOU THEN PUMP IT BACK UP, TREAT IT AGAIN. ALTHOUGH MUCH, MUCH LESS INTENSIVE TREAT TREATMENT. AND THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY BE ABLE TO CONNECT THAT TO YOUR WATER LINE. SO AGAIN SOME TECHNOLOGIES AGAIN AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY IS DONE ELSEWHERE. IT JUST HASN'T MADE IT TO OHIO YET. SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE NEVER DON'T REALLY WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO TRY SOMETHING IN OHIO, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE HOOPS THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH. SO HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY ELSE DOES IT, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN COPY OFF OF THEM AT A LATER DATE. SO THIS IS SOME OF THE MODELING THAT WE DID. AGAIN IT'S ALL PRETTY PRETTY PICTURES THAT LOOK A LOT BETTER WHEN IT'S ON A COMPUTER. BUT IT LOOKED AT MINIMUM PRESSURES. IT LOOKED AT CAPACITY OF THE WATER LINES. AND THEN AS WELL A CRITICALITY CRITICALITY ASSESSMENT, WHICH REALLY ALL THAT MEANS IS IF THIS WATER LINE BROKE, HOW MANY CUSTOMERS WOULD BE OUT OF SERVICE? AND NO SURPRISE, AT LEAST TO ME, INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY IS ORANGE. SO IF THAT BROKE, WE'D HAVE SOME CUSTOMERS OUT. AND THEN THE LONG LINE THAT GOES GOES DOWN TO JEROME VILLAGE. SO UNTIL WE GET THAT TIED IN AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR REDUNDANCY, THOSE WILL BE THE SAME FOR MANY YEARS. SO WITH THAT CONSULTANT CAME UP WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.

ALTERNATIVE ONE WAS BUILD A NEW PLANT CLOSER TO THE, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DOWNSTREAM SO THAT YOU CAN PUMP OUT OF THE CREEK AND GET SOURCE WATER TO YOUR PLANT. SO THAT WAS REALLY THE BIG ONE THERE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO INSTALL WATER LINES TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT TO YOUR, YOUR CUSTOMERS AND YOUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I'M LOOKING AT ALL THOSE. THE APPROXIMATE COST FOR THAT WAS $215 MILLION PLUS OR MINUS. THAT BEING SAID, THEIR PLANNING LEVEL ESTIMATES.

SO THEY'RE THEY'RE SAYING HEY, IT'S 5000FT OF WATER LINE. WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT'S $100 A FOOT AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET A COST. SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE PLUS OR MINUS, YOU KNOW, 10% OR 20% RANGE AS WELL. THAT IS A TWO DAY COST. SO IF WE BUILD A PLANT OR THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN FOR FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EXPECT THAT COST TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT FOR CERTAIN. SO THAT WAS IN FIVE YEARS. THEY SAID IN YEAR SIX THROUGH TEN, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT YOU CAN GET WATER TO EVERYWHERE YOU NEED.

BUT THAT TOTAL WAS 26 MILLION. SO ALL IN ALL, IT'S RIGHT AROUND 240 MILLION. AND THEN ALTERNATIVE TWO, WHICH IS SEEMS TO BE THE ROUTE THAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST CURRENTLY WE'RE TRYING

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ALTERNATIVE TO INVESTIGATE FAVORABILITY OF PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE WATER PLANT FOR NEW PRODUCTION WELLS. SO WE'VE DONE THAT AND THEN ALSO SUBMIT A REQUEST TO THE EPA FOR INCREASING THE SAFE YIELD, WHICH IS HOW MUCH WATER THEY'LL ALLOW US TO TAKE OUT OF THE RESERVOIR.

SOME OTHER THINGS. THEY HAD WATER REUSE PLANNING, WHICH WE'VE DONE A PRELIMINARY STUDY ON OUR SYSTEM. YOU'LL PLAN TO SEE IF YOU CAN PURCHASE WATER. SO WE HAVE HAD THOSE PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. THEY TALKED ABOUT IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL LOCATIONS FOR A NEW WATER TREATMENT PLANT. SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE SLIDES ON THAT TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON. BUT THEN A LOT OF IT'S MONITOR. HOW MUCH WATER ARE YOU GUYS PRODUCING. YOU KNOW IF WE ALL OF A SUDDEN DOUBLED TOMORROW SOMEHOW IT'D BE LIKE ALL RIGHT COUNCIL WE MIGHT NEED TO SPEED THIS UP. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE VERY CONSERVATIVE BUT REALLY CAUTIOUS ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER WE'RE SELLING TO COMPANIES. AS WAS DISCUSSED WHEN ERIC WAS PRESENTING EARLIER. SO REALLY, THE FIRST STEP THAT WE'VE DONE SO WE HAVE PURCHASED 81 ACRES, WHICH IS A PRESS RELEASE A WEEK OR TWO AGO THAT ANNA PUT OUT. SO THIS IS ON BROWN ROAD. SO IT'S BETWEEN BROWN ROAD AND HINTON MILL. WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY. IT'S CLOSER TO THE STREAM. YOU CAN SEE THAT BACK IN HERE IS THE CREEK. SO AGAIN NOT CLOSE. CLOSE BUT PRETTY DARN CLOSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE PARCEL LINES THAT ARE OUT THERE, WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS. AND ON JANUARY 24TH AND SOMETIME TOWARDS LATE FEBRUARY, WE WERE WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THE AUCTION TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT PROPERTY. SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE DID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE MADE THE CHOICE TO PURCHASE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT OUR CURRENT PLANT COULD FIT ON THERE. SO WE HAD OUR CONSULTANT PLOP ON THE RAYMOND ROAD PLANT AND JUST KIND OF PLAY AROUND WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF A LAGOON WAS HERE, DOES THAT FIT? SO WE KNEW, AT LEAST FROM A SIZE PERSPECTIVE, WE'D BE ABLE TO MAKE IT FIT. BUT THE WAY I GUESS I KIND OF SEE IT MAYBE WORKING OUT AT SOME POINT.

OUR WATER PLANTS HERE, IT'S A PRETTY BIG PARCEL JUST TO THE NORTH THAT MATCHES OUR CURRENT RESERVOIR AREA. SO THIS COULD BECOME A RESERVOIR. AND NOW WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE CREEK WHERE WE WOULD PUT A DAM ANDMP S GENERAL VICINITY, PUMP IT TO THE RESERVOIR SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW. AND THEN IT'D BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THIS WATER TREATMENT PLANT. SO AT LEAST FROM CITY STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS WISE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO A YEAR LONG STUDY TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE BEST SITE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S IN THE LOCATION. IT CHECKS ALL OF THE BOXES, BUT WITH SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL LEGAL CHANGES, YOU

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THINGS THAT YOU COULD IMPROVE WITH THE SITE. YOU KNOW, UTILITIES AREN'T THERE. WELL, IT'S KIND OF NOT THERE, BUT I WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT RAYMOND ROAD 20 YEARS AGO.

SO UTILITIES MAY GET THERE AT SOME POINT. SO DEFINITELY A WISE INVESTMENT. AND THANK COUNCIL FOR THEIR BACKING ON ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THOSE NOW. COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. COMMENTS.

THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY IS THAT IN THE VERY BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, TO GO FROM THE 1990S, FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, MARY SOMETIMES WERE CRITICIZED THAT WE DON'T HAVE STRATEGIC PLANNING. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE FROM THAT GOING FROM THE 1990S TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH THE LEVELS OF MAYORSHIP, COUNCIL STAFF AND THEN CHANGING OUR CITY TO A CITY ADMINISTRATIVE GOVERNMENT TO CONTINUE TO BUILD A COMMUNITY THAT IF WE DID NOT DO WHAT WE DID, COSTCO WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BUILT. AND I THINK THAT SHOWS THE DEDICATION THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY, WE AS A CITY, HAVE PUT FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE INVESTED IN THE FUTURE, MIGHT IT MIGHT HAVE NOT BEEN AS PUBLIC BECAUSE THERE WASN'T SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF PLANNING, TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THE 1990S. YEAH. I WAS, YOU KNOW, AND I HADN'T LOOKED AT THE OLD WATER MASTER PLAN FOR A WHILE, BUT I WAS PRETTY IMPRESSED THAT THEY WERE EVEN SHOWING MORE GROWTH THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 29 000 PEOPLE. AND THEY WERE SAYING 20 YEARS AGO THAT WE'D BE AT 33,000 BY NOW. SO I THOUGHT THE PROJECTIONS WERE PRETTY GOOD. MAYBE THE WATER DEMAND COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE CLOSER. THEY WERE SHOWN QUITE A BIT MORE, BUT IT SEEMED A LOT CLOSER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IT'D BE. SO THE ORIGINAL STUDY WAS ASSUMING THAT ALL THE GROWTH THAT WE WOULD SEE WOULD ALL BE INCORPORATED IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. THERE WERE NOT PLANS FOR SERVICING LIKE JEROME TOWNSHIP, BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF THE POPULATION OF MARYSVILLE AND JEROME TOWNSHIP MATCHES, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER WHAT THEY WERE PROJECTING. THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE LOOKING AT EXISTING WATER USAGE OF THE HOMES. AND SINCE THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, WE SAW A LOT OF CHANGES, THE NEW HOUSES THAT GOT BUILT, THEY USE SHOWERS THAT USED A LOT LESS WATER THAN THE HOUSES FROM 40 YEARS AGO. THEY USE THE WASHING MACHINES, USE TWO THIRDS LESS WATER. THE TOILETS USE TWO THIRDS LESS WATER. YOU KNOW THOSE TWO THINGS RIGHT THERE.

USE THE MOST WATER OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD. EVEN WASH DISHWASHERS USE LESS WATER. SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF HAPPENED WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GROWING AND WE PUT THESE PLANS FORWARD. AND IT'S REALLY WEIRD TO ALWAYS SEE THE WATER USAGE AT OUR PLANT JUST KIND OF STAY THE SAME YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, JUST STAY THE SAME BECAUSE ALL THE NEW HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT WERE USING LESS. AND WHEN PEOPLE BOUGHT NEW APPLIANCES OR REPLACED THEIR TOILETS OR SHOWERHEADS, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL WATER USAGE DIDN'T GO UP LIKE IT HAD BEEN PROJECTED. SO IT WAS INTERESTING TO KIND OF SEE HOW THAT TURNED OUT. AND I'M HAPPY THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO BUILD A PLANT NEARLY AS SOON AS WE THOUGHT WE DID. YOU'RE 100% RIGHT, BECAUSE WE WOULD ADD 200 HOUSES IN MARYSVILLE AND 200 HOUSES IN JEROME, BUT YET THE WATER WAS THE SAME. SO YOU ALWAYS THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF ANOMALY. BUT YEAH, I GUESS THAT BRINGS A POINT. AT LEAST THE PROJECTION I WAS USING WAS MORE SEE, OVER THOSE 20 YEARS HAD US GROWING AT 1.38% WAS WHAT THEY WERE PROJECTING AT THE TIME. AND THAT EXCEEDED, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR POPULATION IS. SO THAT MEANS MARYSVILLE HAS ONLY GROWN NOT ONLY BUT AT 1.2%, WHICH ISN'T ISN'T WILD OR CRAZY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD YOU WOULD HOPE FOR. SO. WELL THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. I MOVED TO APPROVE THE WATER MASTER PLAN.

ROLL CALL, MR. BORDNER. YES, MR. WOLF? YES, MR. BARBEE? YES, MR. BURGER? YES, MR. HUNTER. YES.

[Res. B]

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[Ord. A]

GOOD EVENING. OKAY, SO WE HAD A REQUEST AT PLANNING COMMISSION TO AMEND THE MANUFACTURING INNOVATION DISTRICT TO ADD STERILE. LET ME SEE. BIOMEDICAL TO OUR CONDITIONAL USE LIST. SO THIS IS FOR STERILE WASTE SOLUTIONS MADE THE REQUEST AT PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEY WERE BEFORE US BACK IN THE LATE FALL AND WINTER TIME. AND THAT WAS TO ADD IT AS A PERMITTED USE. THEY ARE NOW REQUESTING TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITIONAL USE TO THE MANUFACTURING MANUFACTURING INNOVATION DISTRICT. MCKENZIE WOULD YOU BE ABLE DO YOU HAVE THOSE MAPS YOU'D BE ABLE TO PULL UP? THANK YOU. SO IF THIS IS ADDED AS A CONDITIONAL USE, THE PROCESS WOULD BE THAT THAT ANY APPLICANT REQUESTING THIS USE WOULD THEN GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND HAVE THAT EVALUATED. AND PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THAT USE ON ON THAT

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THANK YOU. AND THEN THE NEXT MAP SHE'S GOING TO PULL UP JUST, JUST JUST AS A ZOOMED IN AREA OF THE MANUFACTURING INNOVATION. YES. SO SOME OF THAT AREA TO THE SOUTH IS NOW PART OF THE MARYSVILLE SOUTH PUD, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE MI. SO YOU'LL SEE THIS AREA NOW LOOKS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. SO THIS WAS AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND IT WAS APPROVED. SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO.

AND WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMPANY HERE THIS EVENING. AND WE DO HAVE A POWERPOINT. SO IF WE IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM, THEY ARE WILLING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN AND GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THEIR, ON THEIR BUSINESS AND, AND THEIR PROCESSING. THE ONE THING I DID FORGET TO ADD IS AS PART OF THE USE DESCRIPTION IN PARENTHESES AND NOW SAYS AUTOCLAVING, WHICH IS THE SPECIFIC USE THAT WOULD BE PERFORMED IN THE PROCESS. SO IT LIMITS IT EVEN MORE TO ONLY THAT THERE'S NO INCINERATION ALLOWED. AND THEN THAT DEFINITION ALSO EXPANDS ON THAT PROCESS. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STERILE WASTE SOLUTIONS TO GIVE YOU SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE PREPARED THIS THING WITH OUR AUTOCLAVE VENDOR WHO'S A, YOU KNOW, THE UNDISPUTED LEADER IN AUTOCLAVING ALL OVER THE WORLD ACTUALLY, BUT PREDOMINANTLY US AND CANADA. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THEM MOSTLY WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY DO AND ALL THE LARGE COMPANIES, SMALL COMPANIES, JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY USES THEIR AUTOCLAVE, AND THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO AND PROVIDE A VERY GOOD MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO KEEP THE MACHINE IN A PRISTINE CONDITION YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. AND IT'S A VERY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOW MAINTENANCE DEVICE, BUT STILL, WE LIKE WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AT A, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL MAINTENANCE PLAN SO THAT IT'S ALL MAINTAINED PROPERLY. SO AGAIN, AS WE HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE IN OUR MEETINGS, NO EMISSION, NO NOISE. AND THIS IS JUST A STEAM ROOM. BASICALLY STEAM COMES IN AND THE HIGH, HIGH TEMPERATURE AND IT'S A 40, 45 MINUTE PROCESS THAT YOU LOAD UP A WHOLE LOT OF CARTS. AND THEN JUST STEAM IT, MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, LANDFILL ABLE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE COMPRESS EVERYTHING AND IT GOES TO LANDFILLS. SO BASICALLY IT'S A BIG RECYCLING PLANT. NO WASTE WATER RUNOFFS, NO ODORS. WE CAPTURE THE ORDER THROUGH A FILTRATION SYSTEM. AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY SILENT OPERATION. AGAIN, NO HAS NO HAS WASTE NO PATHOLOGICAL WASTE. ALL THAT HAS WE HAVE OUR IN IN-HOUSE COMPLIANCE EXPERT STEPHANIE MICHAELS, WHO'S IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WE DO ALL THE HAS WASTE AT THE CLIENT SITE. WE DO NOT TOUCH THAT. AND THAT ALL GOES TO YOU KNOW ESTABLISHED HAS WASTE COMPANIES THAT DO INCINERATION INCINERATION AT DIFFERENT PLACES. BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO COME TO OUR FACILITY AT ALL. ALL OF THAT, THE REST OF THE STUFF THAT WE USE, REGULATED MEDICAL WASTE IS A FAIRLY INNOCUOUS PROCESS, AS I HAVE DESCRIBED. AND IT'S BASICALLY COMES IN, WE PUT IT THROUGH AUTOCLAVE AND THEN IT'S ACCEPTED BY THE LANDFILLS. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS AS WE HAVE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A LAUNDRY SERVICE, YOU KNOW, THAT SAYS OPERATIONS SIMILAR TO LAUNDRY SERVICES. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSES. NO ADDED OCCUPATIONAL HAZARD TO PERSONNEL. YOU KNOW, AND WE COMPLY WITH ALL THE ALL THE DOD REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS TRANSPORTATION IS CONCERNED. AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPLIANCE IS, IS FULLY ADHERED TO. AGAIN, THOUGH, NO LOOSE WASTE MATERIALS, EVERYTHING IS VERY CLOSED LOOP AND CONTAINED.

AGAIN, CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN AND SAFE OPERATIONS. AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE PLANT WOULD LOOK

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THIS IS WHAT THE FACILITY WILL LOOK LIKE ONCE FULLY CONSTRUCTED. AND COMPLIANCE OF SAFETY. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH IT. SURE. SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING OUR OUR PERMITS TOGETHER. AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY HIGHLY REGULATED PROCESS FROM START TO FINISH, THE WAY THAT WE BRING THINGS IN, THE CONTAINERS THAT THEY'RE IN, HOW THEY'RE STORED. THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS HEAVILY REGULATED FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY. MY MAIN AND MY SOLE FOCUS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTIRE COMPANY IS IN COMPLIANCE. I ALSO START BY AUDITING OUR GENERATORS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE. SO WE'RE NOT OUT OF COMPLIANCE. SO I COMPLETE THAT FULL CIRCLE. SO DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT CONCERNS ANY KIND OF COMPLIANCE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY ANYTHING. PLEASE LET ME KNOW OKAY. AND THIS THIS IS JUST A EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. YOU KNOW EVERYTHING IS EVERYTHING IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OHIO EPA. WE FOLLOW THEIR GUIDELINES TO THE T, AND IT'S A WELL CHARACTERIZED PROCESS. SO IT'S NOT NOTHING SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF. THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF THIS PROCESS. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. COUNCIL. DO YOU WANT TO GO OH I'M SO SORRY. GO AHEAD. YOU WANT ME TO GO, MR. HUNTER? OKAY. I THANK YOU FOR THE MATERIAL. I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THE PRESENTATION AS WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET. I'M GOING TO SAY IT WAS EARLY JANUARY TO KIND OF REVAMP OUR UNDERSTANDING AS COUNCIL OF WHAT STERILE WASTE WAS LOOKING TO BRING INTO THE MARYSVILLE PROPER. AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO BACK AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY LESSON. AND THIS IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU AS AS THE OCCUPANT, POTENTIAL OCCUPANT, TO EDUCATE THE GENERAL PUBLIC OF THE OPERATION. SO IF YOU RECALL, BACK IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER WHEN THIS FIRST CAME THROUGH, WE VOTED IT DOWN. WE HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU BROUGHT STEPHANIE IN. AND, STEPHANIE, I BELIEVE YOU WORKED AT ONE OF THE LOCAL BIOPHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES IN COLUMBUS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT DURING DURING THAT MEETING. BUT I THINK THE KEY CONCERNS FROM ME, I WAS IN THE IN THE ONSET OF THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF STERILIZATION METHOD WOULD YOU BE USING BECAUSE THERE IS AN INCINERATION TYPE OF, OF PROCESSING WHICH WOULD EMIT TO SOME DEGREE HAZARDS INTO THE OZONE, POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS MATERIAL INTO OUR, YOU KNOW, WATER STREAMS AND CREATE SOME LEVEL OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY RISK JUST FROM THAT MANUFACTURING OPERATION. SO MY REQUEST SPECIFICALLY WAS, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE INCINERATORS. AND YOUR RESPONSES WILL BE, THAT'S GREAT, BECAUSE WE DID THIS AUTOCLAVING AND IT'S ALL STEAM AND THE WATER IS NEUTRALIZED. YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME RUNOFF, BUT IT'S 100% STERILE WATER. THERE'S NO EMISSIONS OR EMITTANCE INTO THE OZONE. AND BASICALLY FROM PICKUP TO ESSENTIALLY SHIP OUT. IT'S A VERY. GOVERNED PROCESS. BUT YOU WOULDN'T EVEN YOU WOULDN'T EVEN SEE MATERIAL. SO THE MATERIAL JUST AND I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A GENERAL OVERVIEW.

THE MATERIAL COMES FROM HOSPITALS AND THOSE LITTLE RED BINS. THOSE BINS ARE FILLED WITH BAGS, RED BAGS. SO EVEN THE BINS HAVE, YOU KNOW, BAGS INSIDE TO PREVENT ANY SORT OF LEAKAGE OR

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YEAH. RIGHT THERE. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IF I AND I'M GOING BY MEMORY BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY I CHANGED MY BAGS TONIGHT AND I FORGOT MY NOTES MY NOTEBOOK. SO I'M GOING FROM COMPLETE MEMORY.

THE MATERIAL IS IN OFFLOADED THE BAGS ARE DUMPED INTO THOSE CARTS. AND THEN THE CART ITSELF IS PUT INTO THAT AUTOCLAVE MACHINE. AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY A STEAM BATH. AND ONCE THAT SESSION OR THAT PROCESS IS OVER, THAT MATERIAL IS DEEMED NON-HAZARDOUS, AND THEN IT'S THEN SHIPPED OR PUT INTO LIKE A DUMPSTER WHICH IS INSIDE THE FACILITY, IT'S NOT EVEN OUTSIDE, IT'S INSIDE THE FACILITY. YOU'D PROBABLY COMPACT IT TO SOME DEGREE, GET EVERYTHING YOU KNOW.

MAXIMIZED FROM A CAPACITY PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN A DUMP TRUCK WOULD COME IN AND TAKE IT TO A LANDFILL, PROBABLY IN COLUMBUS SOMEWHERE. IS THAT ROUGHLY WHAT THE PROCESS IS? EXACTLY. RIGHT. YEAH. SO FROM SO MY GENERAL OR MY IMMEDIATE CONCERNS, WHICH WERE RESOLVED DURING THAT MEETING IN JANUARY WERE NO INCINERATION AND PER MISS GARBER IN THE TEXT, IN THE ZONING TEXT, YOU HAD INDICATED THAT WE HAD WE SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT AUTOCLAVE ONLY GIVE A DEFINITION TO AUTOCLAVE. RIGHT. AND WE'RE NOT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPAND. BECAUSE THAT WAS ANOTHER OF MY CONCERNS IS AS YOU AS YOU IF YOU WERE TO EXPAND OR SCALE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY, WOULD YOU, YOU KNOW, NEED OR HAVE A WANT TO INTRODUCE INCINERATION? THE ANSWER WAS NO.

AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THAT IN THE TEXT SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT RISK MOVING FORWARD. RIGHT. SO I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE THAT. SO THAT WAS IN THAT THAT CHECKS OFF THE INCINERATION CONCERN, WHICH THE INCINERATION CONCERN LEADS TO EMISSIONS. RIGHT. SO CHECK THAT BOX. THIS IS A QUIET PROCESS. THERE'S NO NOISE. YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN A MULTI-TENANT FACILITY IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND PROBABLY MAKE MORE NOISE. THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MORE NOISE. AND THEN THAN WHAT YOU WOULD POTENTIALLY. AND THERE IS NO WATER RUN OFF. AND EVEN IF THERE WOULD BE FROM AN EPA PERSPECTIVE OR AN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, THE RISK IS NULL AND VOID BECAUSE THAT WATER HAS BEEN NEUTRALIZED, SANITIZED, AND IT POSES NO THREAT TO THE POPULATION. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN FROM A FROM A, FROM A RESIDENT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW WE HANDLE LIKE WASHING OF, OF TRUCKS AND, AND WHERE THAT MATERIAL WOULD GO, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE EVENT OF LIKE A WRECK OR WHATNOT. SO, STEPHANIE, IF YOU COULD MAYBE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND PERSPECTIVE OR SAFETY AND THEN LIKE MAYBE OSHA GOVERNANCE, HOW HOW ARE THOSE HOW ARE THOSE EVENTS HANDLED AND, AND MITIGATED. SO AS PART OF EVEN FOLLOWING THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REGULATIONS, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN PUT IN PLACE FOR ALL OF OUR DRIVERS. ALL OF OUR DRIVERS HAVE BEEN OBVIOUSLY TRAINED. AND DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROTOCOLS. AND THEN AS FAR AS FOLLOWING INTERNAL OPERATING PROCEDURES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HANDLING OUR SPILLS CORRECTLY AND ALSO IN COMPLIANCE WITH OTHER REGULATORY AGENCIES AS WELL. SO AND YOU'RE THE RISK FROM A FROM A HAZMAT SPILL, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT AS LOW RISK, JUST GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE WAY THAT THE MATERIAL IS HANDLED AND THE BINS? AND THEN IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIED OFF IN BAGS AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BLOOD. IT'S REALLY JUST NOT NORMAL CONTAINERS. SO THEY'RE IN CONTAINERS THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. THEY ARE IN UNRATED CONTAINERS SUITABLE FOR

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PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD REVIEW THAT AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AT THAT MEETING. OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US AND FOR RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROCESS WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD IF WE ALLOWED THIS TO BE PASSED. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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THIS BE BACK FOR THIRD READING TITLE ONLY ON MARCH 24TH, 2025. ORDINANCE SECOND READING PUBLIC

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SECTION 1121.11 NEIGHBORHOOD. COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121.12. HOSPITAL. MIXED USE DISTRICT. SECTION 1121.13. MANUFACTURING AND INNOVATION DISTRICT. SECTION 1121.14. LIGHT MANUFACTURING DISTRICT. SECTION 1121.15. REGIONAL MIXED USE DISTRICT. SECTION 1121.18.

UPTOWN. COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121.20. UPTOWN. SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. SECTION 1121.21. UPTOWN. TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121.22. MANUFACTURING INNOVATION OVERLAY. DISTRICT. SECTION 112. 11129. SIGNS IN THE APPENDIX. GLOSSARY OF TERMS. AND I HAVE A PRESENTATION AGAIN. ADMINISTRATION. YEAH. JUST THAT ASHLEY IS GOING TO PRESENT SOME AMENDMENTS TO YOU TONIGHT THAT WERE WORKED ON, I THINK AGAIN BETWEEN SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF. AND SO ASHLEY. YEAH. SO MCKENZIE HAS PULLED THAT UP. SO BASED ON SOME CONVERSATIONS SINCE OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE'VE ZACH AND I HAVE DUG INTO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE'VE DONE A COUPLE MORE STUDIES ON A FEW PARTICULAR ITEMS. ONE OF THOSE IS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED CODE THAT SPEAKS TO SIGN SEPARATION, AS WELL AS PULL SIGNS IN THE IN THE PROPOSED CODE. THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR THIRD READING. SO THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IS A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT BETWEEN WALL SIGNS ON THE BUILDING AND MONUMENT SIGNS. SO CURRENTLY WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM SEPARATION OF 50FT BETWEEN THOSE. SO IF THERE'S A MONUMENT SIGN NEAR THE SIDEWALK, THERE COULD BE A SIGN ON THE FACE OF THE BUILDING. BUT THEY HAVE TO BE 50FT APART. WE WENT AND WE LOOKED EVALUATED VARIOUS PARCELS ALONG DELAWARE AVENUE AVENUE. AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO AMEND THAT TO 75FT BETWEEN THOSE SIGNS. SO THAT IS THE FIRST AMENDMENT TONIGHT. AND THE SECOND ONE IS FOR PULL SIGNS. SO WE ARE WE CURRENTLY HAVE STATED THAT THEY'RE PULL SIGNS COULD BE LOCATED WITHIN 200FT OF THE US 33 RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S WITHIN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND MANUFACTURING. WE ALSO DID AN EXHIBIT WHERE WE OFFSET THAT DISTANCE ALONG 33, LOOKED AT THOSE PARCELS TO DETERMINE IF IT IF IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE TO BE THERE. WE ARE PROPOSING TONIGHT THAT WE JUST REMOVE THE PULL SIGNS FROM THE PROPOSED CODE. SO CURRENTLY IN OUR ZONING OR ZONING CODE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT PERMIT PULL SIGNS. IT WAS A DISCUSSION TOPIC DURING THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. BUT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT WE JUST REMOVE PULL SIGNS ALTOGETHER FROM THE CODE. SO

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THANK YOU COUNCIL. THERE'S ANY ANY COMMENTS. WELL I ONLY HAVE A COMMENT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO THE OTHER ONE FIRST THE BAKER SIGNS IN THAT ONE. I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T SAY WHICH WHICH DOES IT MATTER WHICH ONE ARE WE VOTING ON FIRST? NO, I MEAN, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE I THINK YOU SHOULD SEPARATE THEM OUT AND YOU WOULD NEED TO. SO A COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD OBVIOUSLY NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND AND THEN JUST DO TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. SO. ACTUALLY THE EFFECT OF REMOVING THE POLES. YEAH. BACK MAYBE ABOUT 12, 13 YEARS AGO, WE HAD INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TWO COMMITTEES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FINANCE AND SAFETY. WE ALSO USED TO HAVE A PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITTEE, AND I HAPPENED TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT PARTICULAR YEAR, TOGETHER WITH MR. SCOTT. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MAYBE 2010, MAYBE 2012 OR SO IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S WHEN WE INITIATED THE REMOVAL OF THE POLE SIGNS. AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET THOSE DONE. YEAH. BECAUSE THE POLES, YOU CANNOT JUST WALK UP TO SOMEBODY AND SAY, WE DON'T LIKE HIM, WE WANT YOU TO REMOVE HIM. IT'S ONLY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S ONLY WHEN A PROPERTY PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS THAT WE THEN CAN COME BACK AND SAY, YOU NEED TO PUT IN A MONUMENT SIGN RATHER THAN A POLE SIGN. IS THAT RIGHT? IF THERE'S CHANGES TO AN EXISTING LEGALLY NONCONFORMING SIGN OR STRUCTURE, THAT'S WHEN IT TRIGGERS THAT HAS TO MEET THE NEW CODE. SO THEY MAKE CHANGES TO THAT SIGN STRUCTURE OR THE SIGN ITSELF. THEN IT COMES OUT NOT NECESSARILY A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP, BUT A CHANGE TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, THERE HAS TO BE A REASON FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND SAY NO. NOW IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO UPDATE THE SIGNS. AND IF WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT SIGNS AND I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS EVER SINCE WE DID GET THE PAPERWORK ALMOST A MONTH AGO, AND WE REALLY DO HAVE SOME AREAS THAT IF YOU DRIVE, THERE IT IS. I MAYBE THE WORD QUIET WOULD NOT BE THE CORRECT WORD, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE AS DISRUPTIVE. YEAH, IF YOU HAVE SOME OF THEM, AND ESPECIALLY IN PARTICULAR IF YOU LOOK AT THE EDA PROPERTY THAT WE RECENTLY PURCHASED AND YOU LOOK EAST ON DELAWARE AVENUE, YOU SEE A POLE SIGN AND THEN YOU SEE A MONUMENT SIGN, THEN YOU SEE ANOTHER MONUMENT SIGN, THEN YOU SEE A SIGN AND IT GETS PRETTY, PRETTY CROWDED. YEAH. SO MAKING THEM ALL MORE UNIFORM. HOWEVER, IT COULD TAKE US 25, 30, 40 YEARS BEFORE WE GET THERE. YEAH. SO AND THEN WHEN I DID READ THAT, WE POTENTIALLY WERE LOOKING AT ADDING THEM TO THE EXITS AND ALONG 33. YEAH. WELL THEY WERE ALREADY NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THE CITY TO ADD THEM ON TO IT. AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS, MOST OF THOSE HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE SETBACK. AND I STARTED ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON 33.

AND YOU LOOK AT THE HONDA, THAT'S FAR ENOUGH BACK. YOU KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT BOSTON'S, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. YOU'RE LOOKING AT CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL. AND I MENTALLY TRY TO PICTURE A POLE SIGN AT THAT LOCATION. AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO HAVE A POLE SIGN. YEAH. SO I'M CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER FOR ME TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT, AND THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS LEGISLATION BEFORE US TONIGHT. SO AGAIN, APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO DO I, YOU KNOW, REALLY QUICKLY, THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY TOO IS AS I MEAN, I'M SURE, MR. WOLFF, YOU MIGHT GET MORE COMPLAINTS, BUT BECAUSE I KNOW I CAN HEAR IT AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING. BUT AS 33 CONTINUES TO GET TO CONTAIN MORE AND MORE VEHICLES, IN MY OPINION, PROTECTING THE 33 CORRIDOR AS

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AND I THINK THAT WITH THAT ALSO, WE SHOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT PROTECTING THE 33 CORRIDOR WITH THE TREE COVERAGE THAT WE DO HAVE AND PROTECTING THAT, AND THEN ALSO ADDING STRONGER BUFFERS TO 33 IS ALL, YOU KNOW, WOULD DRASTICALLY IMPROVE THE OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF US, NOT JUST THE ONES THAT BUFFER. 33 SO. SO DO I HEAR A MOTION THEN? MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR SIGN SEPARATION. ROLL CALL. MR. BURPEE. YES, MR. BURGER? YES. OH, YES. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE NAME WHEN YOU SAID MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REIMS. YES. MR. KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFE? YES. SEVEN. YES.

AMENDMENT PASSES SO THAT. SO THEN, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, SHOULD THIS GO BACK TO SECOND READING SO RESIDENTS COMMENTS OR DO YOU WANT TO DO BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME? SECOND AMENDMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED. YES. LET'S DO THAT OKAY. OKAY. MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE CHANGE TO PROHIBIT THE POLL SIGNS WITHIN THE CITY AS DESCRIBED ON THE SLIDE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY VIEWING. OKAY. ROLL CALL, MR. BURGER. YES. MR. HUNTER? YES. MR. REMES? YES. MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFE YES. MR. BURPEE YES. SEVEN. YES. AMENDMENT PASSES. OKAY, SO NOW WITH THE AMENDMENTS IN PLACE, THE LEGISLATION COMES BACK TO SECOND READING TONIGHT, AS AMENDED. OKAY. IS THERE ANY CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO JUST TALK ABOUT THIS? KATHY, FOR 25 WEST EIGHTH? I REALLY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO PUSH THIS THROUGH JUST FOR THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING, THAT MIGHT HAVE A CONCERN. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF I MAY, MR. PRESIDENT, BECAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BRING THAT UP. SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT, MISS YOUNG. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A NECESSARILY A NEED TO WAIVE THE THIRD READING OR IF I'M IF I'M WRONG, LET ME KNOW. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD AMEND THE LEGISLATION AS IS AS IT'S ALREADY PASSED. AND THEN WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, HEAR IT AGAIN ON MARCH 24TH OR THE NEXT MEETING. I DON'T SEE THE VALUE IN PUSHING OR WAIVING THE THIRD READING. COUNCIL. IS THERE ANY? SO THEN YOU WANT SOMEBODY MAKE THE MOTION THEN TO HAVE THIRD READING AT MARCH 24TH 2025.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW. AND THEN WHEN THAT'S OVER, IF YOU COULD JUST CONTINUE TO DO OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD THEN. OKAY. SO ORDINANCE E WELL IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING MEMBER. ANY MORE COMMENTS OR ANY COUNCIL COMMENTS ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION AS AMENDED? NO. IF THERE AREN'T THEN YOU CAN JUST ANNOUNCE IT TO BE EXCEPT FOR THIRD READING IN MARCH 25TH. OKAY. ORDINANCE D WILL ORDINANCE D WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING. A THIRD

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ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. DO I HEAR A MOTION? WELL, I GOT A COUPLE COMMENTS.

SO JUST REGARDING THESE THIS LEGISLATION THAT'S BEFORE US, I WOULD SAY THAT. AM I ON THE

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BUT I'VE I'VE LOOKED AT THESE AND YOU KNOW, I SEE BENEFIT. SO THAT WAS MY COMMENT. ANY ANYBODY ELSE. I MOVED TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REIMS. YES.

MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFE. YES. MR. BURBY. YES. MR. BURGER? YES. SEVEN.

YES. LEGISLATION PASSES. ORDINANCE F, THIRD READING TITLE ONLY TO APPROVE THE EXECUTION OF

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ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. DO I HEAR A MOTION? MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. BROKE ROLL CALL, MR. REAMES. YES, MISS. KRAMER? YES. MR. BORDNER. YES, MR. WOLFE. YES. MR. BURPEE? YES, MR. BURGER? YES. MR. HUNTER YES. SEVEN. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES.

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NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. DO I HEAR A MOTION? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH. I'M SORRY. OKAY.

DO I HEAR A MOTION TO PASS A PASS THE AMENDMENT. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MISS KRAMER. YES, MR. BORDNER. YES, MR. WOLFE. YES. MR. BURBY. YES, MR. BURGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. SEVEN. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES COMMENTS OF

[COMMENTS OF THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL PERSONS AND GENERAL DISCUSSION]

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EVERYBODY, HAVE A GREAT WEEK, MR. HUNTER. A THOUGHT WENT THROUGH MY MIND AS WE WERE READING THROUGH SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES. SO I'VE TRAVELED TO OTHER COUNTRIES AS PART OF MY WORK, AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER COUNTRIES EXPERIENCED EARTHQUAKES. I'VE TRAVELED TO THE WEST COAST. THEY EXPERIENCE DROUGHTS. THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE US. I'VE TRAVELED. THEY HAVE HOT TEMPERATURES, NORTHERN PARTS OF OUR COUNTRY. IT'S COLD TEMPERATURES. AND IN THE MID THE MIDDLE OF OUR COUNTRY WE HAVE TORNADOES, YOU KNOW, TRAGIC TORNADOES AND WHATNOT AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS. WHEN I TALK TO MY DAUGHTER, WHEN SHE'S A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER, SHE WOULD GET VERY, YOU KNOW, FRIGHTENED AT THAT THOUGHT OF WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS HERE IN OHIO AND I'VE ALWAYS KIND OF SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, OHIO REALLY IS A GOOD PLACE TO BE. WE HAVE SOME TORNADOES HERE AND THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIKE THEY HISTORICALLY. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN LIKE THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY. AND GIVE HER GIVE HER SOME ASSURANCE. BUT I THINK FOR THOSE SAME REASONS THAT I TRY AND GIVE MY DAUGHTER SOME COMFORT ARE THE SAME REASONS WHY COMPANIES WANT TO COME HERE AND JUST I, I THINK THAT AS WE LOOKED AT THIS WATER PLAN IN THE FUTURE AND WE LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING TO OHIO, I DO THINK IT'S EVER MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE BE RESPONSIBLE IN IN OUR CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE FUTURE. AND I THINK WHAT YOU HAD SAID PRESIDENT BERGER EARLIER IN THE MEETING, IT'S REALLY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE 90S AND WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. I FEEL LIKE THE PART OF ME JUST THINKS, THOUGH, MARYSVILLE IS UNDER SO MUCH PRESSURE AND THE PRESSURE IS JUST MOUNTING AND MOUNTING, MAYBE MORE SO THAN IT DID IN THE 90S AND WHATNOT. BUT I JUST HOPE AND PRAY FOR RESPONSIBLE DECISIONS AND THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS AND GET TO THE BOTTOM OF EVERYTHING AS IT COMES BEFORE US. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WONDERFUL WEATHER. GOT A CHANCE TO GET OUTSIDE AND ENJOY THE SUN YESTERDAY. NOT SO MUCH TODAY, BUT THAT'S ALL. THANKS. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO SKIP DOWN TO AND GO DOWN TO MR. BORDNER. OKAY, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. I THINK I SAID IT LAST WEEK, THE WEATHER IS WARMING UP AND I WAS OUT TODAY RUNNING BEFORE COUNCIL. I DID A THREE AND A QUARTER QUICK JOG BEFORE BEFORE COMING HERE. BUT I DID NOTICE, AS MR. RYAN SAID, THERE'S A TON OF PEOPLE, KIDS, FAMILIES OUT WALKING THE STREETS. SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, OPERATE YOUR VEHICLES OR IF YOU'RE TRAVELING WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE CAUTION, ESPECIALLY AS, AS YOU KNOW, I SEE MY NEIGHBOR KIDS DARTING ACROSS THE STREET ON THEIR BIKES. AND I JUST HOPE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING BOTH WAYS BEFORE THEY CROSS THE STREET. JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS YOU'RE AS YOU'RE TRAVELING TO AND FROM WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING. THANKS, MR. WOLF. YOU GOT NOTHING FOR TONIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MURPHY. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE ADMINISTRATION ON A WONDERFUL STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS LAST WEEK. YEAH, IT WAS DONE VERY WELL. AND THE AMEC WAS JUST THE RIGHT VENUE FOR IT. HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOCIALIZE WITH PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIMES. AND I THOUGHT THE SPEAKERS THAT YOU HAD, THEY ALL HAD THE SAME MESSAGE. AND I THINK IT WAS WELL RECEIVED BY, BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO WHEN BRETT DEHAZE SAID THAT AS THE WAY THAT HE IS ANTICIPATING FOR HIS APPOINTMENTS TO BE. YEAH. TODAY. WELL, AND I TELL THIS STORY EVERY YEAR, YOU MAY REMEMBER MARCH 15TH. THE BUDGET'S OVER AT IN HINKLEY. ARE THEY COMING BACK AGAIN? THE VULTURES ARE BACK IN GREEN PASTURES, SO BE ON THE LOOKOUT. AND WHEN I SAY THAT IS THAT WE'VE SEEN THE MIGRATION FROM ALMOST 25 YEARS AGO BEING ON SEVENTH STREET TO NOW, LITERALLY THE LAST YEAR THAT THE KROGER BUILDING WAS STILL STANDING, THE FORMER KROGER BUILDING, THAT WAS AN IDEAL PLACE FOR THEM. AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD GO TO AT NIGHT. YEAH, BECAUSE DURING THE DAYTIME, THE TORY WOULD WARM UP NICELY. THEY HAD ALMOST 18IN OF PROTECTION AROUND IT. YEAH, BUT THOSE BUSSES THAT CAME BACK TODAY THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THE WHOLE VISION IS OPENED UP AND THEY ARE NOW LETTING PEOPLE THAT TAKE

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AND SOME OF IT HAS ALMOST TAKEN TWO YEARS BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IT. YEAH. OTHER THINGS A LITTLE BIT SHORTER, A LITTLE BIT LONGER. BUT I THINK TONIGHT WAS FOR ME AT LEAST ONE OF THE NIGHTS THAT REALLY MOVED MARYSVILLE FORWARD. YEAH. INTO THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS WITH MANY OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE MADE TONIGHT. SO I THINK WE CAN GO HOME AND WE CAN SAY, YEAH, WE DID WELL. SO THAT WAS MY COMMENTS. HISTORY WILL ALWAYS PROVE WHETHER THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE WERE GOOD. AND I WILL SAY THAT FOR MARYSVILLE, EVEN THOUGH IN TIMES WHEN PEOPLE USE SOCIAL MEDIA AS A SOUNDBITE, I THINK THAT IT TAKES A STEADY HAND TO BE IN PUBLIC OFFICE. AND WITH SAYING THAT, I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THAT MARYSVILLE WAS PLANNING SINCE 1990 TO BUILD WATER, A WATER PLANT AND HAVE THAT STEADY GROWTH, I THINK REPRESENTS THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT AS A MEMBER OF GOVERNMENT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THE LONG TERM, NOT JUST THE SHORT TERM. AND I THINK THAT AS A DAY OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND SOUND BITES, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE PAST THE ENDING OF YOUR NOSE DOESN'T MAKE IT SCARY. AND THAT IS WHAT AMERICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT, IS WE ARE THE DREAMERS AND THE BELIEVERS, AND WE DO THINGS THAT NO OTHER COUNTRY COULD EVER DO BECAUSE WE ARE AMERICANS. SO ON THAT NOTE, I JUST WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY HAPPY SAINT PATRICK'S DAY. AND IN SAYING THAT, I WANT

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MISS. KRAMER? YES. COUNCIL IS IN

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