[* A portion of this meeting is without audio *]
          [1. To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Development Plan  application for a development known as the Trails at Weaver Road Development located  at 14373 Weaver Road. ]
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          THE ARCHITECTURE, THE FINAL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, KIND OF THE OPEN SPACE DESIGN ELEMENTS. 
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WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THAT ALL BACK TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND APPROVAL AS THEY IDENTIFY A BUILDER. ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE REAL QUICK. SO THIS IS JUST A LESS PRETTY VERSION OF KIND OF WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THE SITE PLAN JUST KIND OF SHOWING THE BREAKDOWN AND THE DIFFERENT SIZED LOTS. ACTUALLY, YOU CAN JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          THIS IS JUST SHOWING KIND OF THE OPEN SPACE AND THE SIDEWALK NETWORK SHOWING WHERE A LOT OF THOSE PATHS ARE KIND OF IN THE OPEN SPACE. YOU CAN JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE. AND THEN LANDSCAPING. 
          SO OVERALL JUST CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPING FOR THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IS WE'VE GOT KIND OF A AN ELECTRIC EASEMENT THAT KIND OF RUNS ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT THERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THOSE DASHED LINES. THAT'S AN ELECTRIC EASEMENT. THERE'S AT ONE POINT WHERE IT JUST KIND OF DIPS DOWN WHERE WE'RE MAKING THE CONNECTION THERE. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD TO KIND OF DEAL WITH AS WE LAID OUT THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS ALSO WHY WE MADE WE TRIED TO ATTEMPT TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE LOTS DEEPER, PULL THE ROAD DOWN IN, CREATE SOME VARIETY IN DEPTH ALONG THERE. SO WE JUST DON'T HAVE ONE 
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SINGLE ROW OF HOUSES AT A KIND OF A CONSISTENT BACKYARD DEPTH. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THEN FOR THE ENTRY SIGN, WE'RE THINKING SOMETHING RELATIVELY SIMPLE YARD ARM SIGN OUT ALONG WEAVER ROAD. 
          SOMETHING JUST KIND OF INCLUDED WITH THE OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN THERE. AND ULTIMATELY, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE AN ENLARGEMENT OF THAT. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN WE'VE INCLUDED SOME IMAGES OF WHAT WE ULTIMATELY THINK WOULD, COULD OR WOULD BE INCORPORATED IN THE OPEN SPACE. AGAIN, WE'LL GET MORE INFORMATION ON THIS AS WE GET AS WE GET A BUILDER. 
          ULTIMATELY, THE BUILDER WILL WANT TO DICTATE WHAT SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES ARE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT THAT FINAL DESIGN AND FINAL OPEN SPACE LOOKS LIKE. BUT WE PLAN ON INCORPORATING, AT A MINIMUM, SOME BENCHES ALONG THE WALKING TRAIL AROUND THE PONDS. WE HAVE PLACES WHERE THE BENCHES OR THE WALKING TRAILS KIND OF GO AROUND THE PONDS. WE'LL INCLUDE BENCHES. THERE INCLUDE BENCHES AND SOME OF THE OPEN SPACES. WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THE BUILDER MAY WANT SOME A TOT, LOTS OF PLAY EQUIPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SHELTERS OTHER THINGS. WE'RE JUST NOT EXACTLY SURE AT THIS POINT IN TIME WHERE THERE'S WHERE THOSE ULTIMATELY WOULD BE LOCATED BASED ON THE BUILDER PREFERENCE. AND I THINK THAT'S PRIMARILY IT. WE HAVE SOME ENGINEERING DRAWINGS INCORPORATED IN THERE, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH WITH THAT. ALL THE UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE ON THE SITE. AS I MENTIONED, EVERYTHING KIND OF DRAINS DOWN TO THE SOUTH PRIMARILY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ESSENTIALLY ONE LARGE RETENTION BASIN. THAT RETENTION BASIN IS GOING TO OUTLET ULTIMATELY TO THE SOUTH. WE'VE SECURED AN EASEMENT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, TO GET THROUGH TO THE EXISTING STREAM DOWN THERE. AND THE REST OF THE UTILITIES JUST RUN AS NORMAL THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. SO I KNOW KIND OF JEFF KIND OF INFORMED ME EARLIER, YOU GUYS HAVE CHANGED THE RULES, TRYING TO LIMIT THE TIME A LOT. I DO HAVE A TENDENCY TO KIND OF TALK WAY TOO MUCH, SO I'M HAPPY TO LEAVE IT THERE. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF INTERESTED IN ASKING SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I GUESS. 
          DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME BEFORE YOU MOVE TO? SURE. YES. I WILL START WITH OUR QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE GROUP. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. SO AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR STATEMENT, YOU SAID THERE'S NO REAL TOPOGRAPHY, RIGHT? AND EVERYTHING'S DRAINING TO THE SOUTH. IT'S ROLLING. SURE IT'S NOT I UNDERSTAND. YES. 
          MINIMAL TOPOGRAPHY. WE'LL JUST CALL IT THAT. YEAH. IN OUR NEW PUD TEXT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, WE WANT NATURAL PONDS. AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE NATURAL PONDS ARE TUCKED IN THE CORNERS OF DEVELOPMENTS. HAVE YOU THOUGHT, OR COULD YOU RETHINK WHERE THAT LARGE POND WOULD BE, MAYBE MOVING IT INTO THE CENTER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND HAVING IT AS A FOCAL CENTERPIECE OF THE DEVELOPMENT? ASHLEY, COULD YOU ZOOM IN ON THE UPSIDE DOWN TRIANGLE AREA? MAYBE MOVING THAT POND IN THE CENTER? AND NO. RIGHT THERE. YEAH. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE, BUT I'M SAYING TO MAKE IT MORE OF A NATURAL FEEL, NOT TUCKED INTO A CORNER, ADDING MAYBE AN ALLEYWAY BEHIND A 200 AND MOVING THE POND INTO THE CENTER. HAVE YOU HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AT ALL? NO. AND REALLY, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THAT END OF THE SITE, THAT AREA THERE IS THE LOWEST POINT ON THE SITE AND THAT ULTIMATELY, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, WATER TRAVELS DOWNHILL. SO THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE POND BACK IN THE CENTER IS WE HAVE TO BRING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FILL DOWN INTO THAT LOWER AREA TO MAKE EVERYTHING DRAIN OVER. IT'S JUST IT'S KIND OF DO YOU KNOW YOUR CUT? RIGHT? DO YOU KNOW THE CUT? NO, I, I HAVE NO IDEA. I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULDN'T EXPLORE IT. I'M SAYING WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED IT TO DATE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT. WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT. MY GUT TELLS ME THAT THE POND HAS GOT TO STAY CLOSE TO WHERE IT IS. GOTCHA. SO JUST ASKING. WE DO NOT HAVE A CIVIL PLAN YET. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE A CIVIL PLAN? JUST PRELIMINARY. WE DON'T HAVE GRADING, DRAINAGE, STORMWATER BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY DO THAT AFTER AFTER I UNDERSTAND. THAT YOU ALSO SAID THAT THERE ARE NO REAL STRAIGHT STREETS. THERE'S A VERY STRAIGHT STREET ON THE END 
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AND IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH, WE'VE GOT IT. WE'VE GOT THAT'S THE ONE STRAIGHT STREET SECTION THAT WE HAVE. AND I THINK THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 800 AND SOME FEET. THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY PLACE WHERE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN THAT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I MEAN, WE COULD STILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT BASED ON KIND OF THE LAYOUT AND THE WAY THOSE STREETS ARE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT STRAIGHT STREETS ARE BAD, BUT THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS THAT I THINK WE COULD WE COULD IMPROVE THAT AREA OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. MATT HAS A GREAT IDEA. YEAH, WELL, I ALSO JUST NOTICED LOOKING AT THE PLAN, TOO, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SEGMENTING YOUR CONNECTION OF ALL THESE LITTLE POCKET PARKS. THERE'S TRAILS AND IT'S JUST YOU LOSE IT IN THE MIDDLE. GETTING BACK TO THE NORTHWEST THERE, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S SEGMENTING. ALMOST FEELS OUT OF PLACE. COULD YOU LOOK AT MAYBE DOING INTRODUCING A VARIETY OF PRODUCT AND DOING A REAR LOADED ALLEY WITH IT? LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SMALLER LOTS YOU HAVE THERE IN THE MIDDLE. DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIETY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE REAR LOADED ALLEY? PROBABLY NOT. IT'S JUST NOT WHAT BUILDERS ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUILDING IN THE MARKETPLACE. I MEAN, THESE ARE GOING TO BE THIS IS GOING TO BE A TRADITIONAL BUILDER, AND IT'S NOT THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. WE CAN MAYBE EXPLORE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT ALLEYS IS ONE OF THEM. ONE LAST THING FOR ME, SIDE LOAD GARAGES ON YOUR TEXT. YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE THE BUILDER TO ADD SIDE LOADS, SIDE LOAD GARAGES, RIGHT? YES. WHERE WHERE WE CAN. RIGHT WIDTH AND THE LIKE. THE CORNER LOTS. 
          RIGHT. I ONLY SEE LIKE FIVE POSSIBLE LOTS. ARE YOU GOING TO HOLD THEM TWO SIDE LOAD GARAGES TO BUILD. ARE YOU. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT. YOU'RE I KNOW, I KNOW YOU SAID THE WORD ENCOURAGED BUT WE WANT TO SEE YOU KNOW SOMETHING. YEAH. YOU KNOW LIKE A STANDARD. YES. THEY WILL DO X Y Z SILO GARAGES. I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO SAY THERE WERE CERTAIN LOTS THAT HAD TO BE SIDE LOAD, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T AFFECT, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE LOT. 
          SO IT'S I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT. AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE ALLEY SITUATION BETWEEN IS THAT 100, I CAN'T BETWEEN THE, THE SMALL NARROW LOTS. YEAH. THE 115 TO 128 IN BEHIND 105 TO 114. THERE IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY. JUST LOOK AT IT AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK. YEAH. BECAUSE ON THE LEFT SIDE SUPER LARGE LOTS RIGHT SIDE SUPER NARROW LOTS. SO IT'D BE PERFECT FOR REAR GARAGE YOU KNOW, NICE STARTER FAMILY HOUSE. YOU KNOW I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA I GET IT, I THE I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS IT DRAMATICALLY INCREASES THE COST OF THE LOT FOR THE BUYER. IT ALSO, I'M ASSUMING, BECOMES A PRIVATE STREET THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION HAS TO TAKE OVER AND MAINTAIN BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PUBLIC ALLEY. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND IT, THERE'S JUST NO OTHER ALLEY PRODUCT. RIGHT? MAYBE THIS IS THE ONE. 
          MAYBE YOU'RE THE UNICORN. MAYBE. BUT I DON'T I IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I COULD TELL YOU TODAY THAT I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST ENCOURAGING YOU TO EXPLORE IT. PLEASE. AND YOU DON'T HAVE A BUILDER YET, RIGHT. SO THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S TRUE. BUT WE GOT WE GOT TO GET SOMEBODY TO BUY IT. 
          YEAH. RIGHT. WE GOT TO GET SOMEBODY TO BUY IT. OKAY. YES. TRAFFIC STUDY OR THE TURNDOWN LANE I KNOW ACTUALLY STRUGGLING. SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW OKAY. THE TRAFFIC. SO YOU CAN CONNECT INTO IT THERE. OKAY. I'VE GOT IT. YEAH, I GOT IT. I THINK YOUR FLASH DRIVE JUST CORRUPTED ME. DID IT REALLY? NO, IT WAS MY IT WAS FINE BEFORE THAT. IT WAS. IT WAS MY VIRUS. 
          IT WORKED. I WILL SOON HAVE EVERYBODY'S PAYROLL. LET'S SEE IF THAT ACTUALLY WORKS. IT SHOULD KIND OF AUTO RECOGNIZE. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE TO DO ANYTHING? SORRY. LET ME SHARE MY. THE PRESSURE. THERE WE ARE. LOOK AT THAT. OOPS. IS THAT MY 15 MINUTE TIME LIMIT? OKAY. GIVE 
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ME THE WRONG BUTTON. SORRY. THAT'S THAT'S FINE. TRAFFIC STUDY. YES. SO WHAT THE WHAT? THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAS TOLD US ESSENTIALLY. AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC STUDY DONE WITH CITY REVIEW IS THAT ALL OF THE INTERSECTIONS, INCLUDING OUR TIE TO WEAVER ROAD AFTER THIS IS COMPLETELY BUILT, STILL FUNCTION AT A LEVEL A OKAY. NO IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED. THAT BEING THAT BEING SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE AGREED TO IS TO CONTRIBUTE $2,000 PER HOUSE TO THE CITY FOR FUTURE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA. SO HALF $1 MILLION, HALF $1 MILLION AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAD TO AGREE TO ALLOW THE CITY TO MAKE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. FURTHER UP AND DOWN THE LINE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THAT'S ALL I HAD, MIKE. 
          THANK YOU. JUST GOING DOWN THE LINE THEN, MR. FISHER. ANYTHING ELSE? TOWARDS THE FRONT ENTRANCE? LOTS ONE, TWO AND THREE LOOK LIKE IT'S GETTING A LITTLE TIGHT. IS THAT STILL MEETING THAT 130FT? I BELIEVE YOU SAID IN THE. YES. YES. AND WHAT WE WHAT WE HAD TO ACCOUNT FOR IN THAT CASE, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DEEPER BECAUSE WE HAD TO ACCOUNT FOR THE DEPTH OF THAT. EASEMENT, THE ELECTRIC EASEMENT, THROUGH THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LOTS WERE STILL MAINTAINED, THE SAME BUILDABLE DEPTH AS ALL THE OTHER LOTS. ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS TIME? WELL, SO THERE WAS A COMMENT, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH I DON'T SEE A FUTURE STUB OUT TO THE WEST. I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ANY PROPERTIES, BUT IT WOULD SEEM SHORTSIGHTED TO NOT ALLOW. SO ARE YOU THINKING, ARE YOU THINKING IT WOULD BE MORE PREFERABLE TO HAVE A STUB IN THIS DIRECTION VERSUS THAT DIRECTION? NO, I THINK BOTH ARE NEEDED. BOTH? YES. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS, 50 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. THAT MAKES SENSE. I WOULD SAY PROBABLY A LITTLE HIGHER JUST TO SEPARATE IT. SO YEAH, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT. YOU KNOW, IF, IF MAYBE THERE IS A CONNECTION HERE SOMEPLACE THAT WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO AVOID IS I WANT TO AVOID THIS BECOMING A DIRECT CONNECTION. YEAH. YOU KNOW BETWEEN THE TWO. SO IF IT MAKES SENSE TO MAYBE MAKE A CONNECTION UP HERE AND A CONNECTION DOWN HERE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WE COULD DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT. I LIKE THAT SPOT. BECAUSE IF YOU FOLLOW THAT ROAD UP IT TEES YOU KNOW. SO IT'S NOT. YEAH. AND I DID I DID FORGET TO MENTION WE DID GET ALL OF THE STAFF'S COMMENTS. WE HAVE AGREED TO MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS OR REQUESTS THAT THE STAFF PLACED ON US. AND WE HAVE UPDATED OUR TEXT AND OUR PLANS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. OKAY, I KNOW ONE OF THE COMMENTS IS MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE MORE NATURAL SHAPED WATER AND I ASSUME WHAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US ISN'T REFLECTIVE OF THAT RIGHT NOW. IT IS NOT OKAY. IT IS. IT IS NOT. THAT IS SOMETHING. AND I THINK THE COMMENT WAS THAT AS WE GO THROUGH KIND OF THE ENGINEERING PROCESS, WE WILL MAKE THESE A MORE NATURAL SHAPE. SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE WILL BRING, YOU KNOW, SOME. YEAH SOME CONTOUR UPPER LEFT ONE IS, YOU KNOW, JUST WRAPPING AROUND HOUSES. SO YEAH. YEAH. AND I'M NOT WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THE FULL STORMWATER REPORT, NOT EVEN SURE THE POND ACTUALLY HAS TO BE THAT BIG. IT'S A VERY SMALL AREA THAT DRAINS TO THAT. IF I HAD TO GUESS, THAT POND IS PROBABLY GOING TO SHRINK CONSIDERABLY. AND WE CAN STILL LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, KIND OF TRYING TO SHAPE THAT IN A MORE NATURAL WAY. OKAY. I DON'T BELIEVE I SAW IT IN THE TEXT, BUT ANOTHER ITEM WHICH WE AS CITY IS ARE PUSHING TOWARDS AS A REQUIREMENT EVENTUALLY IS CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS AS OPPOSED TO ASPHALT. HAVE YOU GOTTEN THAT FAR TO KNOW WHETHER WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR? AND THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT, BUT I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED JUST THE LONGEVITY OF THEM. YEAH. AND I'M NOT SURE RIGHT NOW THAT THERE'S A HUGE PER SQUARE FOOT PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO ANYWAY. OKAY. THE WAY YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S GOING. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY PREFERS CONCRETE. THERE'S A BIG NEGATIVE DRAG. SO. YOU'RE GOING 
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TO HAVE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND. HELLO MY NAME IS BILL WESTBROOK I WAS SWORN IN. MY EXPERIENCE AND I'VE PUT IN A LOT OF LOTS. YOU DO NEED TO PROVIDE YOUR ADDRESS 02722 NOTTINGHAM ROAD, UPPER ARLINGTON. YEP. THE BIG PROBLEM WITH CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS SALT. THEY CHEW INTO IT BADLY. AND TO REPLACE THAT ON TOP OF IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE. UNDERSTAND. I MEAN IT'S NOT REALLY WHITE AND THERE'S NO WAY TO DEAL WITH IT. YEAH. NO, I MEAN I HAVE A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOES REQUIRE IT. YEAH. ACTUALLY AN ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO BUT ASPHALT AFTER 20 YEARS, IF IT'S NOT KEPT UP, CAN LOOK VERY BAD. AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH VERY BAD LOOKING DRIVEWAYS. WELL, FLIP SIDE IS MUCH EASIER TO REPAIR IT THAN TEARING EVERYTHING UP ON THE CONCRETE. IT NORMALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN. WE COULD WE I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE PUTTING A PROVISION IN. IF IT DOES START FALLING APART, THEN THE OWNER NEEDS TO EITHER PUT SOME FORM OF THICKER LIQUID TO MAKE IT LOOK BAD, WHICH YOU CAN DO, OR TO REPAIR IT IF IT'S REALLY BREAKING APART. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOA TO REQUIRE THAT I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH THE CONCRETE IS PRETTY PROBLEMATIC. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION TO KIND OF TAKE CARE OF THAT. WELL, AS A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY OWNER, I DON'T AGREE, I GUESS. SO I JUST I JUST KNOW WHAT IT DOES OVER TIME. OKAY. WELL, I WILL STILL STATE THAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS. AND WE COULD LEAVE IT TO DRB. AND SINCE EVERYTHING HAS TO GO TO DRB, BUT I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE IT IN THE PUD TEXT. BUT IF THAT'S A STICKING POINT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT FURTHER. WE HAVE SOME SIMILAR MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE DRB, WHICH WILL FEEL AT LEAST AT LEAST ONE WILL FEEL THE SAME WAY. SO FAIR ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT. GOING BACK TO THE PONDS, THE ONE IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER. I. I'M NOT A BIG FAN WITH HOW CLOSE IT IS TO WEAVER. I MEAN, IT'S SET BACK A LITTLE BIT. THE ISSUE IS THAT I'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP THE ROAD. ADINA POINT, THEY HAVE TWO RETENTION PONDS OUT BY THE ROAD, AND SO THEY'VE GOT FENCING. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING WHICH MAKES IT PEOPLE ALWAYS PULL OUT REALLY FAR SO THEY CAN SEE, YOU KNOW. YEAH I'D LIKE TO SEE IT PUSHED BACK SOME. NOW WHETHER THAT'S ELIMINATES A LOT OR MAYBE ONCE YOU GET INTO YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILED CALCULATIONS, MAYBE THAT POND GETS SMALLER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT SIZE. THAT'S FINE. BUT I WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. YEAH, I THINK I THINK THAT'S LIKELY TO BE THE CASE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S REALLY JUST A SMALL IT'S PROBABLY ONLY THIS AREA THAT REALLY DRAINS TO THAT CORNER. AND SO I THINK ONCE WE GET INTO THE ENGINEERING, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, JUST CONSISTENTLY KIND OF FALLS DOWNHILL TO THAT, TO THAT LOW POINT. AND THAT'S IT'S THAT WAY ON BOTH SIDES. ON THIS SIDE, IT'S ALMOST THE SAME THING. IT'S REALLY ABOUT IT'S ABOUT THAT AREA THAT KIND OF DRAINS UP INTO THERE. SO I THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO GET MUCH SMALLER. SO WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE. OKAY. I'M SURE I HAVE OTHER THINGS ON MY LIST BUT I HAVEN'T. I'LL NEED TO THINK THROUGH IT. SO THAT'S FINE. I'M SURE I'LL BE AT THIS FOR A WHILE. SOMETHING CHAD SAYS WILL PROBABLY TRIGGER SOMETHING IN MY HEAD, SO. WELL, I WOULD SECOND ALSO THAT THE SIDE LOADED GARAGES. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE OUGHT TO INDICATE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE 10 OR 11 LOTS THAT THAT POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO BUILD ON THERE. THE PUD. ANOTHER ITEM THAT ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE WHO THE POTENTIAL BUILDERS ARE GOING TO BE? HAVE YOU THAT YOU'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH NOTHING PUBLIC RIGHT NOW? WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT BUILDERS, BUT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE IN THE POSITION TO SHARE AT THIS POINT. WOULD WOULD THE BUILDER BE BUILDING OUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT OR WOULD THERE BE MULTIPLE BUILDERS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT? IT WOULD BE ONE BUILDER FOR THE ENTIRE. BECAUSE I WAS THINKING IF YOU WOULD AT LEAST THAT'S THE PLAN. NOW, IF YOU WOULD GO WITH MULTIPLE, MAYBE YOU COULD DO A SECOND 
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PRODUCT WITH THE REAR LOADING GARAGES. I KNOW THAT MOST DEVELOPED THERE ARE DEVELOPERS THAT DON'T WANT TO TOUCH IT, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL. YEAH, SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A SUGGESTION. THOSE ARE THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAD. MR. ANGLE. YEP, I JUST HAVE ONE. I DRIVE DOWN WEAVER TWICE A DAY AND WHEN IT RAINS AND I DRIVE THROUGH WEAVER RIDGE, WHEN IT RAINS IT PONDS UP VERY BAD BEHIND. IT'S DIXON DRIVE THAT DICKERSON. BUT IN ANY EVENT. SO I KNOW IT'LL PROBABLY GET FIGURED OUT. YEP. AND EVEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH AS WELL. SO YEAH, WHEN I KNOW IT'LL GET FIGURED OUT PROBABLY IN ENGINEERING. BUT JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE TRY TO KEEP IT FROM INVERTING BACK. YEAH. NO FOR SURE. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THOSE YARDS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE STORM SEWER FOR SURE. SO THAT ANYTHING THAT COMES FROM OFFSITE GETS INTO THE STORM SEWER AND GOES SOUTH WHERE IT'S INTENDED TO GO. SO ANY WATER THAT'S STANDING BACK THERE NOW IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO GET CAPTURED BY THAT STORM SEWER. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? YEAH, ACTUALLY. WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH? THE MATERIALS, PROPOSED MATERIALS AT ALL? THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. GARY, CAN YOU PULL THAT UP ON YOUR END AND I'LL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT. 
          YEAH. YEAH. FOR TO AT LEAST START OFF WITH CONVERSATION. THERE WAS A OPTION FOR THREE, 4 OR 5 INCH VINYL OR THREE, FOUR AND A HALF AND FIVE. PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THREE FROM THERE. I JUST DON'T THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AGREE CARE. 
          OKAY, AGREE OKAY I AGREE. SIR. ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE MATERIALS? AS WE ARE THINKING OF A PERCENTAGE FOR NATURAL FRONT NATURAL STONE FRONTAGE, OR ARE WE GOING TO KEEP IT AT POSSIBLE FIBER CEMENT BOARD OR HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURAL GRADE VINYL? I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTION. 
          SO IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS I BUILD OUT, YOU KNOW, THE PUD STATES IT HAS TO BE 25% NATURAL STONE FRONT, THE WATER TABLE OR WHATNOT. AND I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FOR THIS OR NOT INTERESTED FOR THIS. I'M INTERESTED IN EXPLORING THAT. 
          YES, THAT WOULD BE TOO. SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS OF I MEAN, 25 WAS THROWN OUT 25% MINIMUM. 
          WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS BACK IN FRONT OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN ONLY BE AS THESE ELEVATIONS ARE PRESENTED TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED KIND OF AN ELEVATION BY ELEVATION BASIS, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF GENERIC TO SAY MINIMUM OF 25% WHEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, ON SOME ELEVATIONS THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, ON OTHER ELEVATIONS YOU MIGHT WANT MORE SOME ELEVATIONS. THE REASON WHY I THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS TO START THAT CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I AM ON THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT WILL COME UP. I EXPECT TO BE HAVING THE CONVERSATION AGAIN. SO YEAH, THAT WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUR YOUR DESIGNER OR YOUR BUILDER OR WHATEVER, JUST SAY, I THINK, I THINK THE I THINK THE MESSAGE IS, IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR NICE ARCHITECTURE AND INCORPORATION OF NATURAL MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE HIGHER QUALITY VINYL, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO KIND OF FIT INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. I MEAN, WE KIND OF GOT THE MESSAGE ON THE GARAGE DOORS, THE INCLUSION OF WINDOWS AND HARDWARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ALLOWING DIFFERENT COLORS FOR THE GARAGE DOORS, JUST TRYING TO OVERALL, YOU KNOW, NOT MAKE THE HOUSE LOOK LIKE A, YOU KNOW, PLAIN VANILLA BOX. I THINK I THINK THAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT'S BEEN DELIVERED. I THINK THAT'S THE EXPECTATION THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS GIVEN TO ALL OF THE BUILDERS. LOOK, THE CITY IS GOING TO HONE IN ON THESE THINGS. YOU NEED TO BE PREPARED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, I ASSUME YOU WERE FINE THEN NOT PUTTING IT IN THE PUD TEXT, BUT JUST YEAH, WHEN IT COMES TO DRB, THAT WILL BE OUR EXPECTATION. BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT IT. YEAH. NO, I AND I THINK THAT WAS OUR EXPECTATION THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO IRON THESE THINGS OUT AT THE, THE DRB, WHICH IS REALLY AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO DO IT BECAUSE AGAIN, THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE REALLY DICTATES, RIGHT, WHAT LEVEL IS KIND OF APPROPRIATE. IT MIGHT BE ON A HOUSE BY HOUSE KIND OF KIND OF BASIS. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE OR. 
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ALL RIGHT. WELL WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. SO IF YOU WANT TO SIT DOWN THEN WE WILL. YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE THE PLAN UP SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING TO REFERENCE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO AS HE DOES THAT SO ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. WE ASK YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT A BACK AND FORTH. SO YOU CAN POSE QUESTIONS WE WILL WRITE DOWN, TRY TO COLLECT ALL THE QUESTIONS AND GROUP THEM TOGETHER. IF WE HEAR THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND THEN ONCE ALL CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE DONE AND CLOSED, WE'LL BRING THE APPLICANT BACK UP AND TRY TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING WE HEAR. SO ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC. NO. HELLO, MY NAME IS HELEN TABOR AND I LIVE AT 1537 ASHER COURT. I CAN POINT TO WHERE I LIVE LEFT CUL DE SAC. OR IS IT THE RIGHT ONE? I FORGET, RIGHT CUL DE SAC. OKAY. IN THAT CORNER LOT AND MY QUESTION OR MY ISSUE IS DENSITY. AND AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THIS PLAN, YOU ASKED THEM TO CONSIDER MAKING THE LOTS MORE EQUITABLE TO THE LOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE. IN THAT CUL DE SAC WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S JUST THREE HOUSES, BUT THEN THERE'S MULTIPLE HOUSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT. MATCH. THEY DON'T MATCH UP. AND. IT'S I WOULD LOVE I MEAN, THIS THIS LAND IS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE ACRE HOME LOTS WITH AND I HAVE A HALF ACRE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE MATCHING TO WHAT? IS THERE. AND I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE DENSITY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I DID WANT TO ASK HOW FAR APART THE HOUSES WERE, HOW MANY FEET FROM ONE HOUSE TO THE NEXT, LIKE, COULD YOU LITERALLY GO OUT AND TOUCH AND BE ON THE NEXT LOT? SO YEAH, IF I REMEMBERED THAT, I WOULD ACTUALLY SIDE YARD SETBACK IS 7.5FT. SO 15FT. SO YOU KNOW FROM THE HOUSE TO LOT LINE OF SEVEN AND A HALF MINIMUM. AND THEN ANOTHER SEVEN 55 FOOT LOTS 66 AND 70. YEAH. SO THE OVERALL LOT WIDTH FOR EACH OF THOSE VARIES. THOSE THREE DIFFERENT SIZES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. 
          YEAH. AND I THINK THOSE BACKING UP TO WHERE THAT KIND OF RED CIRCLE IS ON THE MAP ALL THE WAY OVER TO THAT, THAT WHOLE ORANGISH COLOR ARE THE 6 TO 6. THOSE ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING PARCELS ON THERE. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE. ALONG DIXON. YEAH. SO IT IT TO ME IT JUST LOOKS THE SAME. AND I DO REMEMBER Y'ALL ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER MAKING THE LOTS MORE EQUITABLE. YEAH I'M SORRY I SAID IT WASN'T BACK AND FORTH, BUT IF I KNOW THE ANSWER EASILY, I TRY TO ANSWER. SO THANK YOU. WE'LL ADDRESS THE OTHERS FURTHER ON. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? CATHY YOUNG, 425 WEST EIGHTH. SO WE'RE TALKING A HALF $1 MILLION FOR TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. I WENT TO THE COLEMAN CROSSING THING LAST NIGHT. NOTHING WAS A HALF A MILLION. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 10 MILLION JUST FOR COLEMAN'S CROSSING. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE LITTLE ENTRANCE UP THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE THAN A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. WELL. HOLD ON. SORRY, I LOCKED UP. I OWN 1745 DIXON DRIVE. AND LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, MY BACKYARD IS A SWAMP. IT IS. ALL THOSE HOUSES BACK THERE IS JUST SWAMPY. AND IF YOU LOOK OUT THE BACK WINDOWS, THAT PROPERTY IS HIGHER THAN MY BACKYARD. SO WE ALL KNOW THAT GRAVITY RUNS DOWNHILL. SO ALL THAT WATER IS NOT GOING SOUTH. IT'S COMING IN OUR BACKYARDS. I KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T DESIGN REVIEW, BUT I THINK DESIGN REVIEW NEEDS TO LOOK AT FOAM BOARD. IF WE WANT HIGHER STANDARDS. GET RID OF THE FOAM BOARD. LET'S PUT SOME PLYWOOD ON THESE HOUSES. ALL THOSE FISH ARE HOMES OVER THERE. FOAM BOARD. IT'S CRAP. WE NEED MORE EXITS OUT OF HERE. I KNOW YOU DON'T 
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WANT THIS MAIN LINE TO GO THROUGH, BUT WE ARE EVENTUALLY GOING TO NEED ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY TYPE SITUATION TO GET ALL THE TRAFFIC OVER TO WALMART. THAT WILL BE A GOOD ROUTE, AND THEY MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT NOW VERSUS 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER SOMETHING GOING SOUTH AS WELL. RIGHT BY THE POND THERE. PERFECT SITUATION WHERE IT CAN GO SOUTH. I MEAN, HE'S TYING INTO TWO ROADS UP THERE, BUT HE'S PROVIDING ONE FOR THE FUTURE. IT'S WE AGREED ON TWO. YEAH, ONE TO THE WEST, ONE TO THE SOUTH. SO THAT'S JUST MY $0.02, OKAY. AND AGAIN, JUST TO ADDRESS WHAT I THINK I CAN ADDRESS QUICKLY AND ACTUALLY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE 500,000 IS JUST TO CONTRIBUTE TO ROAD CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FUTURE. IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT IS SEPARATE, THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. SO THEY ARE JUST CONTRIBUTING TO WHATEVER WORK IS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE NOT PAYING FOR EVERYTHING. SO UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT'S THIS? THEY PAY FOR EVERYTHING AT THEIR ENTRANCE. AND THEN 500,000 IS FOR ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, UP RIVER RIDGE, UP CHESTNUT PERHAPS PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY. I MEAN THAT THAT AREAS THAT GET AFFECTED BY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT NOT DIRECTLY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. ANDREW MILLER'S 825 LORENZO COURT. LORENZO DRIVE. I'M KIND OF LOT SEVEN EIGHT THERE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE NOVEMBER MEETING, BUT I DID ACTUALLY SUBMIT SOME QUESTIONS THROUGH COUNCILMAN BORDNER. THOSE WERE READ OUT BY STAFF. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PRETTY THOROUGHLY. AS ALREADY POINTED OUT, A LOT OF MY MAIN CONCERNS ARE NOTHING'S CHANGED SINCE THE NOVEMBER APPLICATION. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF NOTES KIND OF GIVEN TO THAT. YOU KNOW, A FEW OF THOSE. I'LL CERTAINLY ECHO THE DENSITY COMMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT CONSIDERATION OF MATCHING UP THE LOT SIZES. AS A KIND OF A QUICK REMINDER, WE'VE ARRANGED PHASE THREE HAS A 80 FOOT MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AND MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 11,200FT■!S. WE'RE AT THREE QUARTERS OF THE SIZE. THE LOTS RIGHT RIGHT BEHIND ME WOULD BE HALF THE SIZE OF MY LOT. SO IT'S A PRETTY BIG DISCREPANCY HERE. I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT NOTHING WAS PROVIDED IN THE APPLICATION SO COULDN'T REVIEW THAT. IT OCCURS LATER. YEAH, WHETHER OR NOT I HAVE A BIG CONCERN THERE THAT IS A BLIND CORNER COMING THROUGH THE ON WEAVER RIDGE THERE. IT'S 45 PEOPLE DOING MUCH MORE THAN THAT. YOU KNOW, I THINK PUTTING THE ENTRANCE THERE IS A PRETTY BIG CONCERN. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DETAILS OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY. I'M SURPRISED THAT THAT LOCATION IS SELECTED RATHER THAN TO THE SOUTH AS A MAIN ENTRANCE. THAT PARTICULAR CURVE WAS EVALUATED AND HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY ENGINEERING, AND THE DEVELOPER DID SUBMIT THAT THAT ENGINEERING REPORT. I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT AS A TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC RELATED ENGINEER MYSELF. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE PRETTY INTERESTING HERE. YOU KNOW, I SEE NO MENTION OF MEETING WITH SCHOOL BOARD, OTHER LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AS KIND OF A REQUIREMENT MOVING FORWARD. I ALSO KIND OF ECHO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COUNCIL'S KIND OF COMMENTS. PUD REALLY DOESN'T RAISE THE STANDARD HERE. WE'RE BASICALLY GOING SAME AS THEY'RE JUST USING THE POD PUD AS A VEHICLE TO DO THIS REZONING. I DON'T REALLY SEE IT. ANYTHING MORE THAN A STRAIGHT REZONING. 
          YOU KNOW. CERTAINLY THIS IS ARD TODAY. I THINK IT'S PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF A LOT OF SUCCESSFUL ARD DEVELOPMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTH OF MARYSVILLE. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THIS AS A REQUIREMENT TO REZONE THIS TO BE A DEVELOPABLE SITE. IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY NECESSARILY THIS NEEDS TO GO TO SRT TYPE TYPE APPLICATION. I'LL ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY REASONABLE PERSON. I'M NOT ANTI-GROWTH. YOU KNOW, I CAN LOOK AT THIS AND KIND OF LOOK AT IT AND SAY, GROWTH NEEDS TO BE DONE RESPONSIBLY. I THINK MY MAIN CONCERN IS NOT SEEING A LOT OF GOOD FAITH WORK HERE FROM THE DEVELOPER, KIND OF BRINGING BACK THE SAME PLAN. NO COMMENTS, NO ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO ENGAGE WITH THEM. I'VE EVEN KIND OF DRAWN UP A DIFFERENT CONCEPT THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THESE CONCERNS. 
          BASICALLY FLIPPING THE PARK AND AN ENTRY DOESN'T ADDRESS EVERYONE, BUT CERTAINLY ADDRESSES AT LEAST THAT EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE MOVEMENT BEFORE ANYTHING KIND OF PROCEEDS HERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT IF WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, REALLY ARE NOT ACTUALLY MAKING ANY OF THE PLANS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK? MR. 
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MY NAME IS DENNIS DOUCETTE AND I LIVE AT 480 WEAVER RIDGE. AND LET ME JUST POINT OUT WHERE IT IS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES. I READ THE ROAD ENDS AND MY HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE. THAT IS THE STREET DEAD ENDS ON THERE, RIGHT RIGHT THERE. SO I GET TO SEE THE FIELD EVERY DAY. OKAY. 
          AND SO I KNOW MY BIG ISSUE IS DRAINAGE. I KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS BECAUSE I CAN WATCH THE WATER. ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS GO OUT THERE TODAY AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WATER IS. AND THE DRAINAGE NEEDS TO BE FIXED. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WHEN THEY DEVELOP THE CURRENT WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHEN I MOVED IN, THEY DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT BECAUSE IN MY BACKYARD WAS FLOODED AND THE WHOLE AREA WAS FLOODED AND THEY HAD TO COME IN AND THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY REDOING IT. ALONG ALONG THOSE LINES, THE ELECTRIC BOXES AND THE JUNCTION BOXES ARE IN MY BACKYARD, AND THEY WERE SITTING ABOUT SIX INCHES FROM THE GROUND AND BEFORE, AND THEY DIDN'T DO THE DRAINAGE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. SO IT FLOODED AND IT WAS RUNNING INTO THE JUNCTION BOXES ABOUT A HALF AN INCH FROM THE TOP. AND I JUST WATCHED IT AND I SAID, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FIREWORKS PRETTY SOON, YOU KNOW? BUT THE RAIN STOPPED. BUT MY POINT IS, THE DRAINAGE IS AN IMPORTANT PROBLEM. AND SECONDLY, YOU GOT TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE YOU PUT THOSE ELECTRIC BOXES, TOO. YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THE ELECTRIC BOXES DOWN IN THE LOW PART OF THE AREA WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. SO THAT'S AN AREA THAT JUST TO REALLY CONSIDER. SECONDLY, WE TALK ABOUT THE ROADS INTO THE NEW AREA. BUT YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THE ROADS IN THE OLD AREA WE DRIVE ITSELF. THAT ROAD IS ABOUT A MILE LONG. OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING DOWN WEAVER RIDGE INTO THIS AREA. YOU BETTER BE CONCERNED ABOUT SPEED, SOME WAY TO CONTROL THE SPEED. EVEN THE ROADS ARE WINDY. YOU GOT TO BE CONCERNED WITH THE SPEED THAT WE HAVE A RIDGE ITSELF, BECAUSE IT'S A RATHER LENGTHY ROAD. SPEED BUMPS, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. LET'S SEE. AND THAT'S IT FROM MY END. FROM WHAT I SEE. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'M GAIL WILLIAMS I LIVE ON MCAULIFFE PLACE THAT'S OVER BY EDGEWOOD SCHOOL. AND ALL I WANT TO SAY, AND I KNOW IT'S WAY TOO LATE, IS I AM SADDENED BY THE GROWTH OF MARYSVILLE. IT'S NOT THE SAME TOWN THAT I WAS BORN INTO OVER THERE AT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL IN 1958. THIS IS NOT THE TOWN I GREW UP IN. WHEN IS ENOUGH GROWTH GOING TO BE ENOUGH? IT'S NOT PATTING MY POCKETS THIS GROWTH. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS THIS WAY OR NOT, BUT I DO. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE APPLICANT COME BACK TO THE PODIUM AND SO RUN THROUGH ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A LIST BUT OKAY SO LOT EQUITY AS FAR AS MATCHING UP. I KNOW THERE WAS A DISCUSSION IN NOVEMBER. YES. 
          TALK ABOUT. YEAH. I MEAN, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT AGO AND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, IS ACTUALLY MENTIONED THE MAJORITY OF THE LOTS ALONG THE BORDER. AND THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE DIFFERENT. THE MAJORITY OF LOTS, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE, THERE'S 70 FOOT. SO IF WE TAKE OUR 70 FOOT LOTS, MOVE THEM ALONG THE NORTHERN BORDER, MOVE SOME OF THE 65 FOOT LOTS DOWN WHERE THE 70 FOOT LOTS ARE. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT. WE'VE ALSO. I JUST TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER. HE HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER WITH THE ENGINEER, AND APPARENTLY THERE IS NOT REALLY A LOT OF DRAINAGE UP IN THAT NORTHWEST CORNER. GETTING BACK TO THE POND ISSUE, I KNOW THIS WASN'T A COMMENT, BUT IT SEEMS DRAINAGE WASN'T. IT WAS. YEAH, DRAINAGE WAS AN ISSUE. AND I'LL I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT POND CAN EITHER REDUCE DRASTICALLY OR MAYBE EVEN 
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GO AWAY. IF IT GOES AWAY, WE'LL DO MORE TREE PLANTING IN THERE BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE SPACE. 
          BUT FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS TRYING TO ARTICULATE EARLIER, MAYBE I DIDN'T DO IT VERY WELL, BUT YOU GUYS ALL KNOW WE'VE GOT TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY ENGINEER. ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT EVERY BACKYARD OF THOSE LOTS IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE DRAINAGE. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A STORM SEWER THROUGH IT. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE CATCH BASINS ALL ALONG, EVERY LOT ALONG THAT ENTIRE ENTIRE PROPERTY LINE. 
          THOSE CATCH BASINS ARE THERE TO CATCH ANY DRAINAGE THAT EITHER CURRENTLY PONDS THERE NOW, OR IS COMING OFF OF THE EXISTING LOTS ONTO THE PROPERTY, AND THEN THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, CHANNELED THROUGH OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PERMITTED TO ALLOW WATER TO INCREASE PONDING, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PERMITTED TO ALLOW WATER TO STAY THERE. THAT'S CURRENTLY PONDING. NOW WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AND TAKE CARE OF IT THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PROCESS. THERE'S NO WAY TO GET AROUND THAT. THE CITY ENGINEER IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE CASE. YOU DID MENTION THE CONTRIBUTION. AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN DONE, IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER. IS THAT THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THE TRAFFIC STUDY. YES. OKAY. AND THAT AND THAT THE RESULTS OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY ARE THAT EVERY INTERSECTION, INCLUDING OUR NEW INTERSECTION ONTO WEAVER ROAD, STILL FUNCTIONS AT A LEVEL A, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THEY DON'T MAKE YOU DO IMPROVEMENTS UNTIL YOU HIT A LEVEL D OR F. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE STILL THIS DEVELOPMENT EVEN FULLY BUILT OUT, DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE INTERSECTIONS. THE $500,000 IS BASICALLY JUST A COMMITMENT ON OUR PART TO HELP THE CITY SOLVE OTHER PROBLEMS NOT CREATED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT MONEY TO HELP IMPROVE OTHER INTERSECTIONS ALONG THE WAY. SO JUST I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT WITH EVERYBODY. I APOLOGIZE THAT I MISSPOKE. NO, NO THAT'S OKAY. TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          BUT YEAH, THOSE SO THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL FUNDS NOT REQUIRED BY THE RESULTS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY. SO WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE LOT SPREAD THE LOT DIVERSITY ALONG THE NORTH SIDE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE DENSITY FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT. AGAIN WE'RE CONSIDERABLY LOWER THAN WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS. AND I WOULD WAGER THAT WE'RE FAIRLY COMPARABLE TO WHAT'S IN WEAVER RIDGE AT TWO AND A HALF UNITS AN ACRE, WITH 20 TO 30% OPEN SPACE. SO I THINK THE DENSITY FOR THE AREA IS APPROPRIATE. NOW, AS WE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WILL THAT DECREASE THE LOT COUNT BY A LITTLE BIT? MAYBE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE FEEL LIKE THE DENSITY IS APPROPRIATE FOR ITS LOCATION. YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE CREATED KIND OF A GOOD OPEN SPACE SYSTEM. MAYBE THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE TO THAT, TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE SPACES A LITTLE MORE CONNECTED. YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. AND IT ISN'T AS IF WE IGNORED ALL OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, FROM OUR SKETCH PLAN, BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE DID GO BACK. WE RECONFIGURED SOME SPACES, WE RECONFIGURED SOME OPEN SPACES. WE TOOK OUT SOME LOTS THAT WERE KIND OF COMPETING WITH OPEN SPACES. WE MADE SOME CONNECTIONS THAT WEREN'T THERE PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO WE DID ADDRESS A NUMBER OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT SKETCH PLAN MEETING, AS I JUST I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR AS WELL. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR NOTES? THE ONES THAT STOOD OUT TO ME? I'M SORRY, I HAD A FEW MORE. HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOLS TO TALK TO THE SCHOOLS? OBVIOUSLY THE SCHOOLS. YOU KNOW, AT THE POINT THAT WE REACHED OUT TO THEM, WE'RE STILL REELING FROM LOSING THEIR SECOND ATTEMPT AT, YOU KNOW, RAISING FUNDING. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A VOTE TODAY. HOPEFULLY THAT COMES OUT SUCCESSFULLY. BUT EVEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THEY DID NOT OPPOSE WHAT WE WERE DOING. WE DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL LETTER FROM THEM, BUT WE DID GO SIT DOWN WITH THE SCHOOLS. THE BILL IS INDICATING THAT HE WENT AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM. AND THEN CAN YOU DISCUSS THE REASONING FOR GOING WITH PUD AS OPPOSED TO NOT REZONING ARD? WE WERE TOLD TO BUY THAT FLAT OUT OR WE WERE TOLD TO. YES. BY WHO? 
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OH, PUD VERSUS ARD ARD. YES. YEAH. ARE ARD ULTIMATELY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT NUMBER ONE THAT PROVIDES MUCH NEEDED HOUSING. THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. NUMBER TWO, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROVIDING DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE. AND ARD DEVELOPMENT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BUILD ALMOST ALL THE SAME AMOUNT OF ROAD FOR CONSIDERABLY LESS LOTS. AND SO IT JUST ISN'T FEASIBLE FOR US. NOT IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING. OKAY. 
          I THINK THE LAST THING I HAD, AND I'LL OPEN UP TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS IF I MISSED, WAS A SPEED CONTROL FROM THE I BELIEVE IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE WEAVER RIDGE DRIVE AND BUCHMAIER. YEAH, I YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT'S A THAT'S KIND OF AN AGE OLD QUESTION COMES UP ALMOST IN EVERY DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT THROUGH WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, YOU KNOW, REDUCING SPEED. FOR US, IT'S ABOUT DESIGNING COMMON SENSE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT CREATING 36 FOOT WIDE STREETS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FEEL LIKE ARE A DRAG STRIP. IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CREATING STREET WIDTH, GETTING STREET TREES UP TO THE STREET THAT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL LESS COMFORTABLE DRIVING QUICKLY, HAVING PARKING ON AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH KIND OF ALSO REDUCES THE IMPULSE TO SPEED. THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO ME, ARE BETTER SPEED CONTROL THAN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SPEED BUMPS THROUGH A COMMUNITY. THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE DON'T LIKE THEM. THE GUYS THAT PLOW YOUR SNOW DON'T LIKE THEM. SO BUT AGAIN, WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ENGINEER'S OFFICE. YOU KNOW, IF THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS THROUGHOUT MARYSVILLE THAT WORK REALLY WELL, WE'RE WILLING TO LISTEN. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WOULD COMMENT THAT ALSO THE CONNECTIONS TO THOSE TWO, YOU ESSENTIALLY JUST GO A LOT DEPTH. AND THEN IT'S A T. SO AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THOSE ROADS BE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUOUS. RIGHT? I MEAN, SO I, I DON'T SEE PEOPLE SPEEDING TO THOSE ROADS OR OFF THOSE ROADS BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A ENTERS THIS PORTION. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR BIGGEST CONCERN, MOST PEOPLE WHEN YOU GET IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ARE WILLING TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. WHERE IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE IS IF WE HAVE A DIRECT ROUTE FROM WEAVER TO 736, PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO SKIRT BETWEEN ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE LOOKING TO DRIVE QUICKER, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING TO SAVE TIME BY CUTTING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT. THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE THAT ARE COMING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S PART OF THEIR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE LOOKING OUT KIND OF FOR THEIR OWN. THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE SPEEDING AROUND THEIR KIDS. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WILLING TO GENERALLY SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE. OKAY. SO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU WROTE DOWN THAT YOU GOT THEM? OKAY. AND ALSO WITH THAT THEN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COME UP DURING THIS DISCUSSION? YEAH. MR. CHAIR, KIND OF FEEDING OFF OF THE PONDING ISSUE ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE, LOOKING BACK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY MAP AND THE EXISTING SITE DRAINAGE, IT DOES SHOW THAT EVERYTHING COMES TO THE SOUTH, BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE THE POND. THAT ELEVATION ALSO EXTENDS ALMOST ALL THE WAY UP NORTH. AND IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THAT POND COULD MOVE SLIGHTLY MORE NORTH, WITH MAYBE JUST SLIGHTLY ADJUSTING A SWALE TO REDIRECT IT. SO I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO LOOK AT MAYBE MOVING THAT POND A LITTLE BIT NORTH TO, TO AID WITH SOME OF THE DRAINAGE. YEAH. I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT CONFIGURATION, SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO. I JUST KNOW IT CAN'T MOVE TO THE MIDDLE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE PRACTICAL. WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT ADJUSTING THE LAYOUT IN WAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, HELP INCORPORATE THAT POND A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU KNOW, IT'S GENERALLY KIND OF A HABIT, YOU KNOW, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT AND A PLANNING STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE WATER IS GOING. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO RAISE UP A LOT OF OTHER AREAS OF THE SITE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FILL, THEN YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO PUT THE POND, YOU KNOW, IN THE LOW SPOT SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE'LL GET WITH THE ENGINEERS, YOU KNOW, SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN DO. AND, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT MORE OF A FEATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS NOT A COMMENT TOWARDS YOU OR YOUR COMPANY. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID. AS FAR AS THE CITY REQUIRES YOU TO, YOU KNOW, NOT DUMP, YOU KNOW, YOUR STORMWATER ELSEWHERE. AND BUT THERE WAS ALSO THE REQUIREMENT FOR WEAVER RIDGE AND THEY HAVE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, SO IT IS A COMMON AND 
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REOCCURRING COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVE. AND BECAUSE THINGS, WHETHER THEY'RE JUST NOT INSTALLED AS THEY'RE DESIGNED OR MAYBE THEY WERE NOT DESIGNED SUFFICIENTLY SO. WELL, I TAKE NO OFFENSE BECAUSE WE DON'T DO ANY ENGINEERING, RIGHT. I JUST MEAN, I'M NOT CALLING YOU A LIAR OR ANYTHING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST SAYING THAT WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME AND THERE ARE STILL ISSUES. 
          SO WE ARE WORKING WITH KIMLEY-HORN. THEY'RE A VERY WELL RESPECTED ENGINEER. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY ENGINEER TO DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO DESIGN A SYSTEM THAT ACCOMPLISHES THOSE GOALS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE THROUGH WITH THE BOARD'S COMMENTS. SO, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT OUR DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN TALK OF FOR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUTTING THIS 70 FOOT WIDE LOTS ALONG THE NORTH EDGE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE POND SIZES AND SHAPES. WHAT IS YOUR WILL. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TABLE AND COME BACK WITH REVISED PLANS, OR DO YOU WANT TO APPROVE AS IS AND WITH. SOME STIPULATIONS, STIPULATIONS, SOME STIPULATIONS. BUT GENTLEMEN. LET'S HEAR STIPULATIONS. NO, I AGREE WITH THAT. WE COULD REMOVE THE 70S ACROSS. AND TURN. I GUESS. DO YOU DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC SET OF STIPULATIONS BY WHICH YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO. MR. CHAIR? SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO. NO. NO, PLEASE. GIVEN THAT THE NEXT STEP IS GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, TYPICALLY WE WANT TO SEE A PLAN THAT IS THE FINAL PLAN THAT'S APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION, WHATEVER THAT RECOMMENDATION MAY BE, BEFORE PROCEEDING TO CITY COUNCIL, THERE MIGHT BE A MINOR TWEAK THAT I THINK IS OKAY IF WE ADJUST BETWEEN HERE AND CITY COUNCIL, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH CHANGES. I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE MORE SIGNIFICANT THAT I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE BOARD SEEING THOSE AND VOTING ON THOSE CHANGES PRIOR TO THE RECOMMENDATION, PROCEEDING TO CITY COUNCIL VERSUS STAFF, AGREEING TO THOSE SOUNDS LIKE, OKAY, AS LONG AS YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST. OKAY. YOU KNOW, THE BOARD, THE BOARD'S BROUGHT UP A LOT OF THINGS HERE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT. AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT IF IT MAKES IT BETTER FOR EVERYBODY TO GET SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO WHAT COUNCIL'S GOING TO SEE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE CERTAINLY WANT TO BE IN LINE WITH THAT I THINK I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. SO I THINK IT'D BE DIFFERENT IF IT WAS LIKE A MINOR SIDEWALK ADJUSTMENT OR SOMETHING OR A SCRATCH OFF AND THE ZONING CODE TEXT OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, OF COURSE WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE APPROVED ON THE FIRST NIGHT, BUT SURE, THAT'S THAT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE. SO WE'LL GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND COME BACK TO YOU IN A MONTH. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. HOW QUICKLY ACTUALLY DO WE NEED TO HAVE INFORMATION BACK TO THE BOARD TO BE ON THE NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA? TODAY, RIGHT? YEAH, TODAY ACTUALLY, TODAY IS THE DEADLINE, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT FOR NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA, GIVEN THAT YOU WERE ALREADY HERE THIS EVENING. SO. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE A MOTION TO TABLE, SIR? THANK YOU. MR. SAWYER. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. WOLFOWITZ? YES. MR. ENGEL. YES, MR. FISHER. YES. MR. YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE 
          [2. To hear an application for an Amendment to a Planned Unit Development (PUD)  Development Plan for a development known as Marysville East Section 1 located at  Parcels with ID numbers of (1100090360000, 1100160180000, 2800170310000,  2800170350010, 2800170370000, 2800170440000, 2800170431000, 2800170420000,  2800170410000, 2800170400000 and 2800170390000).]
CONVERSATION. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS MARYSVILLE EAST. SECTION ONE, LOCATED AT PARCELS WITH ID NUMBERS. AND YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE ME. I HAVE A LOT OF NUMBERS TO READ. SHOULD WE GET LESLIE? AND YES, WE SHOULD GET LESS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THE NUMBERS. BACH, DON'T START UNTIL WE HAVE THE FULL BOARD. OKAY? 15 MINUTES IS STARTING NOW. NO. YEAH. ALRIGHT. ARE YOU GOING TO PLUG IN OVER THERE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PARCELS WITH ID. 
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NUMBERS 1100090360000110016018000028001, 02800170370000280017044000028000 AND 2800170390000. AFTER SAYING ZERO SO MANY TIMES, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A REAL WORD, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE OUR MEMBERS BACK. COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF NAME AND ADDRESS. AND YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES. I AM FULLY AWARE. SO THIS ONE ERIC, DO YOU MIND IF I JUST GIVE A BRIEF LITTLE. YES. OKAY. SO THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH STAFF THAT IT WOULD COME THROUGH AS A WHOLE SEPARATE SECTION, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS TO, TO THE TO SECTION ONE. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL PARCELS TO THE EXISTING SECTION ONE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. SO GOING THE AMENDMENT ROUTE TO SECTION ONE VERSUS APPROVING AND HAVING ANOTHER SEPARATE PUD TEXT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING ALREADY USES. AND YEAH. SO HE WILL OUTLINE WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL LAND IS THAT WILL BE ANNEXED IN THAT ANNEXATION WILL BE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY. AND THEN THIS ZONING WILL COME AT THE END OF THE MONTH TO CITY COUNCIL, IF IT'S RECOMMENDED, IF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED TONIGHT OR VOTED ON TONIGHT. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT KIND OF BRIEF OVERVIEW BEFORE GETTING INTO THIS. THANK YOU ASHLEY OKAY. BARBARIC ROCKFORD DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENTS 1100 INNOVATION WAY, SUITE D MARYSVILLE, OHIO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HEARING US TONIGHT. THIS SHOULD NOT BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IN WITHIN 15 MINUTES BECAUSE AGAIN THE MAJORITY OF ALL THESE USES IS WHAT WE BROUGHT THROUGH ANNEXATION OR SECTIONS ONE AND TWO OF THE MARYSVILLE EAST INNOVATION DISTRICT. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH IT FAIRLY QUICKLY SO I CAN GET TO YOUR QUESTIONS. SO THIS IS THE PARCEL ITSELF. THIS IS JUST THE VICINITY MAP. IT BORDERS THE RAILROAD TRACK. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE ABANDONED RAILROAD TRACK THAT THE COTTON ZONE TO THE NORTH, WATKINS ROAD MAINLY TO THE SOUTH, JOLLEY ROAD TO THE EAST. AND THEN IT BORDERS INNOVATION ONE, DISTRICT NUMBER ONE OR SECTION NUMBER ONE TO THE WEST. THIS IS A COLORFUL MAP OF IT. SO ESSENTIALLY WE ONLY HAVE TWO SUB AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EXACT SAME LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD AS PART OF SECTIONS ONE AND TWO. AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WONBI. WE'VE GOT 300 AND 307 ACRES HERE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S SOME LITTLE JACK O LANTERN TEETH DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE NINE OF THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES THAT ARE ALONG WATKINS ROAD THERE TO CLEAN THAT UP, BECAUSE WATKINS ROAD IS ACTUALLY THE NORTHERN PART OF BOTH SECTION ONE AND TWO OF THE INNOVATION PARK. SO THIS FITS IN NICELY WITH THE PIECES THAT HAVE ALREADY COME THROUGH 238 ACRES BEING ZONED AS THE INNOVATION DISTRICT OR THE TECH PARK. THIS BRINGS OUR TOTAL IN MARYSVILLE EAST TO ABOUT 750 ACRES IF APPROVED. IF YOU ADD THE 200 ACRES THAT IS DOWN AROUND SCOTT'S LAWN THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, YOU GET TO REAL CLOSE TO 1000 ACRES THAT'S BEING ASSEMBLED ON THE EAST SIDE FOR THE TECH PARK. THERE'S 68.5 ACRES HERE BEING DEDICATED AS OPEN SPACE. THIS IS THE SENSITIVE AREAS THAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT AND COMP PLAN AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS ASKED. SO WE ARE PROTECTING THE CREEK. WE ARE ACTUALLY BROADENING THE AREA ALONG THE CREEK. WE SHOW 175 FOOT THERE. THE FARMERS CAN CAN, YOU KNOW, FARM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK. SO THERE'S 68 ACRES THERE AND LIKE I SAID, 238 ACRES IN THE INNOVATION PARK. THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SECTION THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE ONE BE UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE BLUE AREA, HOW IT FITS TOGETHER. THIS PIECE IS VERY CRITICAL FOR A NUMBER OF PIECES. OBVIOUSLY, THE INNOVATION PARK WAS CHOSEN TO GO HERE BECAUSE OF SCOTS LAW AND THE ACCESS TO IT. THAT INNOVATION TRAFFIC WILL COME DOWN TO SCOTTS LAWN VERSUS GOING UP TO 36. WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF BARRIERS THAT THAT ARE IN PLACE TO HELP, HELP DO THAT. FROM A YOUTH STANDPOINT, WE UTILIZED THE IN THE LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND THE INNOVATION MANUFACTURING DISTRICTS OF YOUR CODE. AND THIS WAS A PAGE THAT WE SHOWED IN BOTH OF THE PRIOR TWO ANNEXATIONS AND ZONINGS OF WHAT 
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WE'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN OUT. WE'RE NOT CHANGING A SINGLE THING FROM WHAT WE'VE ZONED. SO THIS SECTION ONE B WILL BE THE SAME AS SECTION ONE AND THE SAME AS SECTION ONE A, WHICH WERE THE TWO LITTLE HOUSES ON WILDWOOD LANE. THESE ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE CORE DRIVERS. THIS IS DRIVING A LOT OF THE INNOVATION PARKS WITHOUT WITHIN CENTRAL OHIO, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEW ALBANY AREA, AND SOME OTHERS SEMICONDUCTORS AND ADVANCED ENERGY LIFE SCIENCES EV, ESPECIALLY UP HERE WITH HONDA AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND ADVANCED COMPUTING FROM THE STANDPOINT, THIS IS A CHANGE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I POINT THAT OUT. THIS IS A CHANGE FROM WHAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE PACKET. I SENT IT OVER TO ASHLEY AND JEFF TODAY. THE CHANGES ARE AROUND. 
          I'M GOING TO GO UP HERE AND POINT. AROUND THIS PARCEL HERE AND ALONG JOLLY ROAD. AS IS NORMAL WITH HOW WE HANDLE THINGS, I HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO A NUMBER OF THE MOST IMPACTED RESIDENTS AROUND THIS. I'VE HAD 4 OR 5 SEPARATE MEETINGS, SOME IN GROUPS OF FIVE AND SOME INDIVIDUAL HOUSES TO WHERE I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS. SO WE'VE MADE SOME. SO THE AREA THAT IS AROUND THE GREEN, WHICH IS KIND OF THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE UPPER CORNER THERE, WE HAD A RED LINE THERE. DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RED LINE WAS, BUT THERE WAS NEVER AN INTENT TO TAKE ANY OF THE TREES DOWN THAT RUN ACROSS THERE. SO WE'RE CLEARLY SHOWING THAT NOW. AND ON JOLLY ROAD IT WENT OUT TO JOLLY ROAD. AND WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT THAT LIVE ON JOLLY ROAD THERE, WE'VE MADE SOME AGREEMENTS OF HOW WE WILL BUFFER THAT WE'VE EXPANDED THE BUFFER THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THERE. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY AN IMAGE OF WHAT IT IS. SO AGAIN, I'M GOING TO TAKE MY OWN MICROPHONE. SO THIS IS A 50 FOOT BUFFER. THE MAJORITY OF THOSE TREES ARE ON OUR PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY OF THEM DOWN. WE'VE CREATED 100 FOOT BUFFER ALONG JOLLY ROAD ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH STARTING AT OUR PROPERTY. ESSENTIALLY, THERE IS SOME WONDERFUL TREES. 
          THAT IS THE PICTURE OF THE TREES ALONG JOLLY ROAD THAT WE'RE KEEPING. THERE'S SOME HONEYSUCKLE AND STUFF IN THERE, SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE DENSE THAN THE EXHIBIT I'M GOING TO SHOW HERE, BUT WE'VE AGREED TO TAKE A BITE OR A MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL, A TEN FOOT MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THROUGHOUT ALL THE COMMON AREAS IN IN MARYSVILLE EAST AND BRING IT IN OUR ENTRANCE, RUN IT BEHIND THE EXISTING TREES, AND THEN PUT 5 TO 7 FOOT, AMOUNTING WITH ADDITIONAL TREES AND LANDSCAPING. THIS IS THE SCHEMATIC OF KIND OF HOW THAT FITS. SO WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANY EXISTING TREES OR SHRUBBERY THAT IS ON JOLLY ROAD. WE WILL HAVE TO CUT THROUGH THIS SECTION FOR THE BIKE TRAIL. BUT WE'VE STOPPED THE MOUNDING WHERE IT GOES THROUGH THE TREES THERE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ELIMINATE IT. SO THAT TRAIL WILL THEN CARRY THROUGH. IT'S KIND OF THE BLUE IS THE FLOOD ZONE, BUT YOU COULD PUT A TRAIL THROUGH A FLOOD ZON, AND THEN IT'LL GO UP TO THE COTTON TRAIL LINE AND THEN COME ACROSS THE NORTHERN SECTION. SO THIS IS KIND OF A RENDERING OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. NOW AGAIN THE LOWER PORTION HAS A LOT OF HONEYSUCKLE AND SOME OTHER JUST SCRUB BRUSHES IN THERE THAT WE DON'T PLAN TO TAKE OUT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS AREA WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO WE ARE COMMITTING TO DO THE 100 FOOT MINIMUM HERE AND THE 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THERE IN ORDER TO PROTECT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON JOLLY ROAD. AND THIS IS A NEW EXHIBIT WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING INTO THE RECORD. THIS IS THE EXAMPLE I TOOK THIS PICTURE OF THE JOLLY ROAD. SO LOOKING STRAIGHT IS THE TREES ALONG JOLLY ROAD. THESE ARE THE TREES AGAIN. THEY'RE GOOD. 30, 35 FOOT ALL ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THERE THAT WE'RE RETAINING ALL OF THOSE TREES THAT ARE ON OUR PROPERTY. AND THAT'S THE BUFFER THAT I'M SHOWING UP THERE. A FEW THINGS BEFORE I GET TO QUESTIONS HERE. FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, THIS STILL FITS ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. YOU HAVE SCOTTS LAWN FOR THE MAJOR INTERSECTION AS TO WHERE THE TRAFFIC WILL GO. WE'RE UTILIZING THE REGIONAL PUMP STATION THAT MARYSVILLE MADE THE $15 MILLION INVESTMENT IN. ESSENTIALLY, YOU'LL GET THAT ENTIRE CAPITAL BACK FROM JUST THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER. BUT THAT'S THERE. WE HAVE A TO A ROAD. TIS A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT HAS A ROAD THAT'S GOING TO GO FROM SCOTTS LAWN. IT'S GOING TO GO AROUND BUXTON MEADOWS LIKE WE SHOWED IN IN SECTIONS ONE AND TWO. IT'S GOING TO COME UP THROUGH THIS PARCEL. WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE ROUTE IS, BUT IT IS GOING TO COME THROUGH THIS PARCEL AND ULTIMATELY GO UP TO 36. SO THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL PARCEL FOR THE CONNECTIVITY OF THAT ROAD. IT'S ALSO THERE WERE SOME PROMISES MADE TO THE BUXTON RESIDENTS ABOUT THE BUFFERING AROUND THEIR PROPERTY, AND THAT WE WOULD CONNECT IN SOME TRAIL SYSTEMS TO THEIR DEAD END STREETS. THIS CREEK, ALONG WITH THAT ROAD, IS GOING TO HAVE MULTI-PURPOSE TRAILS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ROAD AND WILL CARRY THROUGH THIS PARCEL. SO THE BUXTON RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO COME UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PARCEL TO GET INTO THE TRAIL NETWORK, WHILE THE JOLLEY ROAD PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN AROUND TO BUXTON MEADOWS TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE MULTI-PURPOSE TRAIL OR THE COTTON TRAIL LINE WHEN THAT 
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HAPPENS. I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS A 5 TO 15 YEAR PLAN. A THOUSAND ACRES ISN'T GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN 2 OR 3 YEARS. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO. THIS IS PART OF THE STRATEGY FOR THE INDUSTRIAL PARK HERE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MARYSVILLE SITS OUT OR SITS AND FIGURES, THE INNOVATION PARK IS ACTUALLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT. THIS PARK OVER HERE IS BEING SELF-FUNDED. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY WANTED TO GET OUT OF WAS, WAS UTILIZING EXISTING RESIDENTS FUNDS TO PURCHASE THE GROUND, LIKE THEY DID IN INNOVATION PARK ONE AND TO PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN. SO THIS IS A PRIVATE PARTNER OR PRIVATE PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP THAT'S BEING CREATED HERE IN ORDER TO HAVE IT SELF-FUNDED. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR THE MOST ABOUT THE RESIDENTS IS THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR GROWTH. THIS IS THE PERFECT SCENARIO. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY WANT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE THERE CLOSE TO THE TIME THAT THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AS WELL. AND WE DO HAVE THE NCA. SO THE NCA IS THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. I HEAR ONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE JOINED IT. I WON'T ALIENATE THAT PERSON, BUT THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY IS THERE TO HELP FUND THIS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AS WE GO. AND RIGHT NOW WITH THE INDUSTRIAL OR THE INNOVATION PARK NCA, OVER THE NEXT FIVE, TEN, 15 YEARS, THEY COULD FUND OVER $100 MILLION IN SELF IMPROVEMENTS AS WE GO. SO THAT'S A BIG THING. WHY IS THIS PARCEL IMPORTANT? ONE IT GETS A THOUSAND ACRES INTO THE HANDS OF PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST DEVELOPERS IN CENTRAL OHIO. IT CLEANS UP WATKINS ROAD. LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE NINE HOMES ON WATKINS ROAD THAT IS PART OF THIS ANNEXATION. 
          HOW AM I DOING, CHAD? YEAH, FIVE. GOOD. SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW, I'VE BEEN LONG WINDED A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST. NOT I'M NOT SAYING IT'S CALLED THE BART RULE. NO, NO, NO, NOBODY SAID THAT. SO IT PROVIDES THE CRITICAL LINK THAT WE NEED TO GET THE BIKE TRAILS FROM BUXTON MEADOWS AND THE DEVELOPMENTS TO THE SOUTH THROUGH IT. IT IT IS A MAJOR PIECE OF THE EXTENSION TO GET FROM WATKINS ROAD TO THE SOUTH TO WATKINS ROAD HERE TO 36 AND ULTIMATELY TO THE NORTH. 
          UTILIZATION OF REGIONAL PUMP STATION AND FINANCIALS. IT IS VOTING DAY. I DON'T CARE HOW YOU VOTED, JUST YOU NEED TO VOTE. BUT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON SCHOOL FUNDING. 
          JUST THE INCREASE IN VALUE OF THE LAND LEAVING CORVEE GOING TO A MARKET RATE AS THIS AREA DEVELOPS IS GOING TO HAVE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS. WHETHER YOU VOTED YES OR NO. IF YOU VOTED YES, THEN THERE IS A TEN YEAR LEVY THAT'S BEEN SET. EVERY PIECE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES AFTER IT REDUCES THE EFFECTIVE RATE OF THAT MILLAGE FOR EVERYBODY IN MARYSVILLE. AND IF IT DIDN'T PASS, IT'S PROBABLY NOT IMMEDIATE 1 OR 2 YEARS. BUT AS THIS DEVELOPED AND ALL THAT GROUND COMES OUT OF A MOVIE, IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WILL GO TO THE SCHOOLS. AND WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE SCHOOLS SINCE ALMOST DAY ONE ON MARYSVILLE EAST. SO IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT YOU'VE GOT THE INCOME TAXES THAT WILL COME WITH THE JOBS. YOU'VE GOT HIGHER PAYING JOBS AND NEW EMPLOYERS. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, THE NCA ITSELF DOES TWO OF THE THINGS I HEAR THE RESIDENTS SAY. MOST OF THEY DON'T WANT TO FUND NEW DEVELOPMENT THEMSELVES OR WITH THEIR TAX DOLLARS THROUGH THE CITY, AND THEY WANT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE THERE FIRST. SO THAT MECHANISM HELPS US DO THAT. AND WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. I WILL START OFF SO PART OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US IS A REVISION TO THE PART ONE, WHERE THERE WAS A CORNER THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT IS NOW CHANGING. SO COULD YOU JUST WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF. HOW IT IS WHERE IT IS NOW? YES. SO OBVIOUSLY I DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL. SO I HAVE A PASSION FOR RESIDENTIAL. BUT THIS IS THE CORNER THAT WAS THAT WAS ZONED AS PART OF ANNEXATION OR SECTION ONE AS RESIDENTIAL. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THIS WAS THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, THIS WAS THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. AND ALL OF THIS WAS THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, THAT LITTLE SECTION CROSSING THAT CREEK AND GETTING OVER THERE TO A 14 ACRE. IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT AS INDUSTRIAL BY ITSELF, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GOING TO TAKE OUT THAT STREAM. WE WEREN'T TAKING OUT THAT TREE STAND AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. SO WE JUST KIND OF THREW IT OUT THERE AS A GENERAL SINGLE FAMILY THING, THINKING THAT IT COULD BE CONNECTED TO THE NORTH, IT COULD BE CONNECTED IN SOMEHOW. SO NOW THAT THIS IS ALL INDUSTRIAL, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE TREE STAND THAT'S BEING MOVED, BUT THERE IS NOTHING WET. THERE'S NO WETLANDS, THERE'S JUST A STRAIGHT TREE STAND. IT'S BEING REMOVED. AND NOW WE CAN PUT A 25, 30 ACRE PARCEL TOGETHER. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING CHANGED, IS BECAUSE THE GROUND TO, TO THE, THE WEST IS NOW BEING INCLUDED IN THIS, WHICH AT THE TIME WE DID SECTION ONE, THE ORIGINAL SECTION ONE THAT WASN'T THERE. SO BUT IT WAS, IT WAS 
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JUST A LACK OF A USE TO, TO REALLY MAKE IT INDUSTRIAL AND GET TO IT. AND THIS MY QUESTION DOES NOT AFFECT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING. JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT ROAD THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, NEW ROAD. HAS THAT BEEN THE DESIGN OF IT BEEN DEVELOPED FURTHER OR JUST WONDERING IF THE ROUTE HAS BEEN SET? OKAY. SO IT HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED. WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS. SO SURE, THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY HAS IDENTIFIED THE COSTS OF THE SECTIONS OF THAT ROAD AS WE GO. IT IS A PART OF THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY AUTHORITY DOCUMENTS IDENTIFYING THE COSTS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. WE DO KNOW THAT IT WILL WRAP AROUND BUXTON MEADOWS. WE MADE SOME COMMITMENTS IN ANNEXATION TWO OR SECTION TWO. WITH THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING THE CENTRALIZED DETENTION PONDS IN BETWEEN BUXTON MEADOWS AND THAT ROAD. SO IT WILL COME OFF OF AND I DON'T WELL, I GOT THE REGIONAL ONE BACK HERE. HOLD ON. I GOT ONE MORE. YES. HERE WE GO. HOLD ON. I MIGHT HAVE PUT. YEP, I THOUGHT I PUSHED A BUTTON. SO THE SECTION THAT WE ARE AWARE OF NOW AND THIS IS THE NORTHERN OR THE NORTH SOUTH PIECE OF WATKINS ROAD, IT WILL COME OFF THROUGH THIS AREA HERE. COME UP HERE WITH THE DETENTION PONDS HERE AND IT'LL IT'LL CROSS WATKINS ROAD HERE. ONE VERSION OF IT HAS IT RUNNING SOUTH OF THE CREEK, WITH THE MULTI-PURPOSE TRAILS IN BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE CREEK HEADING NORTH. AND THE OTHER PIECE HAS IT HEADING STRAIGHT UP ALONG THAT PIECE. SO AGAIN, THE MULTI-PURPOSE TRAILS THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ROAD COULD UTILIZE THE GREEN SPACE, BUT THAT HAS NOT. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS BEING DONE BY FOR THE WHOLE 1900 ACRES. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE 1900 ACRES IS ALL BEING DEVELOPED. BUT THAT'S WHAT MARYSVILLE IS DOING, IS THEY'VE ASKED IT'S MORE OF A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAN A TRUE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR EACH PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S APARTMENTS, WHETHER IT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR INDUSTRIAL, WE WILL DO A SMALLER VERSION OF A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT ACTUALLY COMES BACK AND SAYS, BASED ON THIS 20 ACRE, 50 ACRE, 100 ACRE DEVELOPMENT, HERE'S THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED. SO THAT ROAD DEFINITELY COMES OFF OF WATKINS. IT'S GOING TO INTERSECT WATKINS. IT GOES THROUGH 36 AND ULTIMATELY SOMETIME LONG, LONG TIME DOWN THE ROAD. THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WOULD LOVE IT TO GO ACROSS THE CREEK AND TIE INTO FOUR, WHICH WOULD GIVE, YOU KNOW, SOME RELIEF TO 33 FOR PEOPLE MAKING SMALLER TRIPS WITHIN MARYSVILLE. 
          BUT THAT IS A 20 YEAR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. SO THE ANSWER, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. 
          SO THE ROAD, THE ROAD I KNOW IT WAS OFTEN BROUGHT UP IN THE PREVIOUS PHASES AND JUST WONDER IF THERE WAS AN UPDATE IN THE COMMUNITY AUTHORITY DOCUMENTS. THE INNOVATION PARK DEVELOPER HAS IDENTIFIED IT AS ONE OF THEIR FIRST PRIORITIES. THE SECTION THAT GOES WATKINS TO WATKINS IS ONE OF THEIR FIRST PRIORITIES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY BOARD MEMBERS QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION. BART, YOU'VE ACQUIRED NINE PARCELS ALONG WATKINS. WATKINS ROAD THERE. HOW MANY ARE LEFT THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL? TWO. WELL, THE TWO THAT KIND OF STICK OUT. 
          SO THERE'S ONE THERE AND THERE'S ONE HERE. SO THAT'S THAT'S CONTIGUOUS. AND YOU'RE SPEAKING WITH THEM CURRENTLY OR THAT'S ALL ABOUT I'M GOING TO THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO IT'S THERE THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS. PUT IT THAT WAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. ALL RIGHT. IF NOT WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. I THINK SINCE I SWORE PEOPLE IN MAYBE SOME PEOPLE CAME IN AND OUT. SO IF YOU ARE WANTING TO SPEAK AND YOU DID NOT GET SWORN IN, IS THERE ANYONE THAT THAT'S THE CASE? ALL RIGHT. SO WE SHOULD BE OKAY. SO WE'LL OPEN UP FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. AGAIN. YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO TALK. 
          GENERALLY I TRY IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BACK AND FORTH. OCCASIONALLY I WILL RESPOND IF I KNOW THE QUICK ANSWER. SO COME TO THE PODIUM YOU'VE GOT OR SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE FLOOR WILL BE YOURS. JOHN NEWLAND 13953 WATKINS ROAD. THIS IS THIS MAP I'VE GOT, SAYS INNOVATION DISTRICT 750 PLUS ACRES. WHAT IS INNOVATION MEAN? ANYTHING YOU PLEASE OR WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT? THAT'S MY QUESTION. OKAY. WE WILL RUN THROUGH THAT AFTER CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR SURE. CHAD, WHEN YOU SPEAK, COULD YOU SPEAK UP LOUDER? WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU 
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IN THE BACK. I APPRECIATE THAT, I'M JOEL HAYNES, 15 814 JOLLEY ROAD, MARYSVILLE, OHIO, 43443040. ANYWAY, I GOT SOME QUESTIONS. I HAVE A UNIQUE BACKGROUND. I DID WORK DOWN AT OSU AND ANALYTICAL LABS. WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT SCIENTIFIC OR EVEN BUILDING CIRCUITRY OR SMALL INDUSTRY OF ANY KIND, AND SERVERS FOR DATA, ALL THIS NEEDS WATER. ALL OF IT NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENT. PLEASE WRITE THIS DOWN. I WANT TO SEE MSDS SHEETS ON WHAT THESE INDUSTRIES ARE GOING TO BRING IN HERE. IF YOU'RE DOING A SCIENCE LAB, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FUME HOODS. 
          WHERE DOES THAT GO? IF YOU HAVE A POSITIVE DELTA T, IT GETS HUNG RIGHT DOWN HERE AT THE GROUND. 
          POSITIVE DELTA T IS A 60FT ABOVE THE EARTH TO SIX FEET OFF THE GROUND. AND IF IT'S POSITIVE UP THERE, IT KEEPS EVERYTHING DOWN. IF IT'S COMING OUT OF THE CHUTE AND IT'S A NEGATIVE, IT'LL FLOAT UP INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. WE ALL SMELL SEWAGE NOWADAYS. THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE A POSITIVE DELTA T FOR YOUR MEASUREMENTS. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CHEMICALS, I WANT TO SEE WHERE THE WATER WASTE AND MANAGEMENT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CLEAN IT UP? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE NOISE POLLUTION? ALSO, I'M LOOKING ABOUT THE ELECTRICITY. THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY IS GOING TO COME IN. THIS STUFF DOES WHEN YOU GOT 400,000 GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY FOR ONE OF THESE PLANTS, COULD BE, IF NOT MORE TO THEIR. EVERY CITIZEN IN MARYSVILLE SHOULD BE CONCERNED. IF YOU'RE RUNNING CITY WATER OUT THERE. I'M SERIOUS THAT I MEAN THE WATER IS GOING TO GO UP SUPPLY AND DEMAND. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF WATER. ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE AROUND HERE AND ALL THE FLUSHING TOILETS SHOULD BE ALARMING TO EVERYONE. 
          THE ELECTRICITY UP IN NORTHERN OHIO, THEY ALREADY ARE SCHEDULING BROWNOUTS BECAUSE OF A DATA CENTER COMING IN NOW. YEARS AGO, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF DOVER TOWNSHIP SINCE 1987. WHAT REALLY GETS ME IN DOVER TOWNSHIP WE VOTED FOR NO CITY WATER, NO SEWAGE, BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE OF AN EXPENSE. ARE THEY GOING TO TRY TO TAKE GROUNDWATER? IS ANYONE GOING TO SUPPLEMENT US WHEN OUR GROUNDWATER LEAVES, WE PAY. YEARS AGO IN DOVER TOWNSHIP, I KNEW WE WERE PAYING $600,000 A YEAR TO MARYSVILLE FOR EMS AND FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PRICE IS NOW TODAY, BUT I DO KNOW THESE ARE CONCERNS. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT. WE WON'T. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STILL ABSORB THAT COST. THERE'S A LOT OF ENVIRONMENT GOING ON IN THIS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. THE ELECTRIC AND THE WATER IS THE BIGGEST ONE. AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CONSERVE. WE'VE GOT WILDLIFE. WE'VE GOT BALD EAGLES THAT FLY OVER OUR ROAD ON JOLLY ROAD. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO TO PROTECT THE BIRDS? OH, YOU SAVE SOME TREES. GREAT. WELL, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE WILDLIFE ANYMORE, ARE THEY GOING TO GO AWAY? YOU'RE CHASING ALL THAT WILDLIFE THAT THEY CAN EAT AWAY. THESE ARE CONCERNS. I AGREE WITH THE LADY THAT WAS UP HERE BEFORE. I'VE BEEN IN MARYSVILLE SINCE THE 1960S AND THIS PLACE IS CHANGING TOO RAPIDLY. AND YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA. PRICES WILL GO DOWN ON HOMES IF THERE'S NOISE POLLUTION. THE EMF PROBLEM OR THE EMF ELECTROMOTIVE THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS WITH ALL THE ELECTRIC COMING IN THERE. THESE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE WE DO MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. I WOULD LOVE TO JUST SEE IT ALL GO BACK TO WILDLIFE AND WILD WOODS DOWN THERE, BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF IT IN THIS AREA, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO JUST GO FOR, OH, WE'RE GOING TO GET SO MUCH MORE IN TAXES. WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS. NO, EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE AFFECTED WHEN YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS COMING IN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. 
          DAN TYSON, 16 257 MYERS ROAD. I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS AND SOME CONCERNS. PARTICULARLY IN SECTION ONE B IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER ALONG MILL CREEK. AREA. I'M CONCERNED OVERALL ABOUT THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. AND WHERE IS THIS? HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE? PLANNED AND WHERE IS THIS STORMWATER GOING TO END UP? MILL CREEK RIGHT NOW HAS ISSUES WATER 
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RUNOFF NOW AND TOO MUCH WATER. MY PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MILL CREEK, AND I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, WHICH I HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE, OF TALKING ABOUT PUTTING MOUNDS ON THE WEST SIDE OF MILL CREEK. WELL, WHEN THAT CREEK OVERFLOWS, IT'S GOING TO FORCE WATER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK MORE THAN IT IS NOW. AND TO ME, THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD NOT BE FORCING WATER ONTO MY PROPERTY. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND I'D LIKE ASSURANCE TO KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO CAUSE ADDITIONAL FLOODING ON MY PROPERTY. I'D LIKE I'D LIKE THAT ASSURANCE. NOW, I ALSO AGREE WITH THE LAST GENTLEMAN'S COMMENTS ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION, AND AS WELL AS THE OTHER ONES HE MENTIONED TOO. ARE THERE REGULATIONS FOR THESE COMPANIES ON THE NOISE THAT THEY CAN PRODUCE AND HOW IF THERE IS, HOW IS THAT DETERMINED AND REGULATED? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. NOW. I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT ALONG THE MILL CREEK THERE IS INTENTION TO LEAVE THOSE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING THERE NOW. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOREVER? WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES? AND. THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. AND I'D LIKE SOME ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK. MARY ANN HAYNES 15814 JOLLY ROAD. I'M JUST GOING TO READ WHAT I WROTE BECAUSE THAT. THAT I WON'T GO OFF KILTER HERE. I FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE LIVING IN, IN OR ON ON THIS, THE VICINITY OF WATKINS ROAD HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED BY THIS SLEIGHT OF HAND, OF SWITCHING FROM A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO ALL INDUSTRIAL. 
          GET THE ZONING FOR ONE WHICH APPEALS BETTER TO THE POPULATION, AND THEN WHAMMO! PULL THE OLD SWITCHEROO. BART TOLD US. WE MET WITH HIM SEPARATELY. THE PEOPLE OF MARYSVILLE HAVE SPOKEN. THEY DON'T WANT ANY MORE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. YET. IN THE SAME MEETING, HE SHARED WITH US THAT HIS PLANS. FOR 300,000 OR 3000 HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON ROUTE 36, NEXT TO THE RECYCLING AND RECYCLING CENTER AND THE FIRE RANGE. THAT'S WHERE HE'S PLANNING ON PUTTING MORE HOUSING. CAN'T DO IT DOWN HERE. I'M NOT REAL HAPPY WITH THAT. 
          I'M OPPOSED TO AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX OR AN INNOVATION PARK, IF YOU PREFER THE MORE UPSCALE TERMINOLOGY ON WATKINS ROAD, THIS WOULD BE AN EYESORE. COMING INTO THE CITY FROM DUBLIN, IT WOULD BE A HEADACHE AND IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS OF THIS AREA, THERE WOULD BE INDUSTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF HOUSING. SINCE THE PLANS ARE DEVELOPED FROM THE WATKINS GLEN APARTMENTS ALL THE WAY TO BUXTON MEADOWS AND FELLS BOULEVARD, AND FROM COTTEN'S PROPERTY TO JOLLEY ROAD, THERE ARE TRULY THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT TRULY LIVE OUT THERE. I PERSONALLY HAVE LIVED IN THE ON JOLLY ROAD FOR 28. I LIVED ON VALLEY VIEW FOR TEN, SO 38 YEARS HAVE BEEN IN THAT AREA. 
          DURING OUR TALK WITH BART, HE SAID THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, HIS MORE THAN ONE TIME HE SAID THAT IT WAS A THE PLANS WERE TO DRAW IN DATA CENTERS LIKE AMAZON, GOOGLE AND META. AND HE EVEN MENTIONED CHIP MANUFACTURING. THERE'S NOTHING GREEN ABOUT ANY OF THOSE INDUSTRIES. AS MY HUSBAND SAID EARLIER, THE DATA CENTERS THEY USE TEN TIMES THE ELECTRIC POWER THAN TRADITIONAL INDUSTRIES. THEY USE DIESEL BACKUP GENERATORS. GENERATORS WOULD BE STINKY. THEY USE 1 MILLION TO 5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY, AND YOU GUYS ARE JUST ALLOTTING THEM 400,000. SO WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GET THE REST OF THE WATER? THEY GENERATE NOISE 24 OVER SEVEN FROM THE AIR CONDITIONERS, WHICH CAN BE HEARD AT LEAST FROM A MILE AND A HALF AWAY. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO JUST 
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AFFECT OUR END OF THE ROAD. BUT PEOPLE IN TOWN. SO. THEY CREATE LARGE AMOUNTS OF CO2 EMISSIONS, AND THEY PUT OFF EMFS. OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND OHIO HAVE AND OTHER STATES HAVE SUFFERED FROM WATER SHORTAGES, NOISE POLLUTION. AND AS WE'VE AS JOEL MENTIONED IN NORTHERN OHIO, THE ELECTRIC CO-OP THERE IS PLANNING FOR ROLLING BLACKOUTS. IF THESE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO DIG WELLS AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN'T GET ENOUGH WATER FROM THE CITY, THEY'RE GOING TO DIG WELLS. 
          MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE SOME RETENTION CONTAINERS OR WHATEVER RETENTION PONDS, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO DRY. OUR AQUIFER, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE A DROUGHT YEAR LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR. WE HAD THE WORST DROUGHT IN 25 YEARS LAST YEAR. ASK YOURSELVES IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIVE NEXT TO ONE OF THESE FACILITIES AND BE HONEST. DATA CENTERS ONLY HIRE 25 TO 30 PEOPLE AFTER THEY'RE BUILT, AND THOSE JOBS ARE ARE USUALLY FILLED BY YOUNG COMPUTER GEEKS WANTING TO START THEIR RESUME. THEY'RE ONLY IN THOSE POSITIONS 1 TO 2 YEARS BEFORE THEY GO TO FOR BETTER JOBS. SO THEY WON'T BE BUYING A HOUSE HERE. I KNOW THESE THINGS BECAUSE I HAVE TWO SONS AND A HUSBAND IN IT. WE ALSO HAVE A COMPUTER BUSINESS WHICH HAS A SERVER ROOM FOR OUR CLIENTS, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT JUST ONE SERVER DOES FOR OUR ENERGY BILL. DOES THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE TRULY WANT TO LOOK AT AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, AND THAT BE THE FACE OF MARYSVILLE FROM THE BUSIEST INTEREST IN ENTRANCE INTO THE CITY FROM DUBLIN? WE MIGHT AS WELL GIVE UP THE MOTTO MARYSVILLE WHERE THE GRASS IS GREENER BECAUSE YOU CAN DRESS UP AN AREA ALL YOU WANT, LIKE FANCY FENCES AND GREEN SPACES. BUT A PIG IS STILL A PIG, AND IN THIS CASE, A DATA CENTER IS A HOG. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK, SIR? YEAH. HI, MY NAME IS ADAM DARST. I LIVE AT 16,000 JOLLY ROAD. A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY STATED ALREADY. TAPPING INTO THE AQUIFER. POTENTIAL. YES, I'VE HEARD THAT THEY WERE ALLOTTED 400,000 GALLONS ON A DAILY USAGE. I THINK THAT WAS THE AMAZON DATA CENTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 33. NO, NO. FROM WHAT? YEAH. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE 400,000 NUMBERS COME IN FROM. I CAN ADDRESS THAT. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. SO I MEAN IF THAT'S THE LIMITATION. LIKE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID, TAPPING DOWN INTO THE AQUIFER TO SUPPLY THE COOLING SYSTEMS FOR THESE DATA CENTERS. IF THAT'S WHAT GOES IN THERE. I HAVE A FARM, I HAVE A 36 ACRE FARM THAT IS UTILIZING THAT AQUA CENTER FOR AQUIFER. SO IF HE DEPLETES IT OR THIS DEVELOPMENT DEPLETES IT, WHO'S GOING TO SUPPLY MY WATER? THE CITY. SO I HAVE TO PAY CITY RATES FOR CITY WATER TO SUPPLY MY FARM. THAT'S NOT WHY I MOVED TO THE COUNTRY. SAME THING WITH THE FLOOD ZONE MAP THAT WE SHOWED EARLIER. THAT'S THE 100 YEAR FLOOD ZONE MAP. I'VE SEEN IT FLOOD TO THAT LEVEL AT LEAST ONE TIME A YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT HERE. SO IF HE'S GOING TO DEVELOP ALL THIS INTO INDUSTRIAL, THAT WATER RUNOFF THAT IS GOING TO GO BACK INTO THAT LITTLE CREEK THAT FLOWS OVER ONTO MY PROPERTY BEFORE IT DUMPS INTO MILL CREEK. OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOW ELIMINATING MY LIVELIHOOD BY FLOODING MY FARM EVEN MORE. SAME THING WITH THE ELECTRICAL CONCERN, ROLLING BROWNOUTS SO IT CAN SUPPLY INDUSTRIAL. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A ROLLING BROWNOUT. MY ELECTRIC FENCES GO DOWN NOW. MY LIVESTOCK IS OUT. THAT'S MY FAULT. THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. 
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HI. LYNN MILLER, 16138 JOLLEY ROAD. I'M THE PROPERTY AT THE VERY END OF JOLLEY ROAD WITH ABOUT 600FT OF OUR PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE ONE B ANNEXATION AND ELECTRICAL NOISE POLLUTION. 
          EVERYTHING I WOULD SAY DITTO. THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. AND THEN PROPERTY VALUE FOR ME AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY WOULD BE A BIG CONCERN OF MINE AND BUILDING HEIGHT AS FAR AS THESE PROPOSED BUILDINGS CAN BE UP TO 70FT TALL. WELL, THAT'S ABOUT THAT COULD BE ABOUT 150FT FROM MY HOUSE. UNLESS THAT'S REGULATED DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR MAYBE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. DATA CENTER NOISE, ELECTRICAL POWER CAPACITY. AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL QUESTIONABLE. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE CONCERNS OF. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY DWAYNE LORD 15763 MEADOWBROOK DRIVE, MARYSVILLE, OHIO 43 040I LIVE BACK IN MILL CREEK EDITION. MY, I KNOW BY LAW, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LET THE PEOPLE THAT BORDERS UP TO KNOW. THERE'S THREE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS HERE THAT AFFECTS THREE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, THAT DOESN'T AFFECT JUST 5 OR 6 PROPERTY OWNERS. MARYSVILLE SAYS THEY WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THAT HAD ONE BEEN FOR A COUPLE OTHER NEIGHBORS. I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN NOTHING ABOUT THIS. THAT UPSETS ME. I LIKE MARYSVILLE. I MOVED TO MARYSVILLE BACK IN 88 BECAUSE IT WAS A GOOD TOWN. I QUESTIONED IT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE YOU'RE DEVELOPING AROUND THREE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN INDUSTRY. YOU'RE RUINING THE ENVIRONMENT BY DOING IT. IS THAT ALL GOING TO BE UNION RURAL ELECTRIC? THAT'S A CO-OP. THAT'S GOING TO BE HURTING THE ELECTRIC COMPANY. AND I LOOKED IT UP. INDUSTRY COMES IN. PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN BECAUSE OF THE INDUSTRY. WHO'S GOING TO SUBSIDIZE WHAT I LOST BECAUSE HE WANTS TO MAKE A BUCK. IS IT GOING TO BE THE CITY. IT'S GOING TO BE THE DEVELOPER. NO, I'M GOING TO END UP PAYING THAT. THANK YOU SIR. 
          HI. HI. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMBER DARST. I LIVE AT 16,000 JOLLEY ROAD. COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL. MY MOM AND I WERE ACTUALLY THE ONES WHO PRINTED OUT MOST OF THE DOCUMENTS TO GIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS IN THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, SO THAT THEY COULD BE AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THEIR BACKYARD. AND MAYBE IT'S NOT THEIR BACKYARD TECHNICALLY, BUT IT IS. IT'S OUR COMMUNITY. MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS ON JOLLY ROAD. PERSONALLY, I GREW UP THERE. MY FAMILY'S BEEN I'M 38 YEARS OLD. MY FAMILY'S BEEN THERE FOR 38 YEARS. SO THIS IS MY BACKYARD. MOST I CAN COUNT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AT LEAST NINE FAMILIES THAT I PERSONALLY KNOW THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS. OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 50 YEARS. IT'S NOT THESE ARE NOT HOMES THAT PEOPLE JUST COME IN AND THEY LEAVE IN 2 OR 3 YEARS. THESE ARE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE, THEY COME AND THEY STAY. THIS IS A GOOD COMMUNITY. I'M ASKING YOU TO JUST CONSIDER WHAT WHAT THIS WOULD DO TO THAT EXISTING COMMUNITY OUT THERE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS STATED IN THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS THAT BART PRESENTED WAS A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 70FT, AND I REALIZED THAT I THINK HE'S I THINK AT SOME POINT I HEARD THE ORIGINAL WAS THAT THEY WANTED BUILDING HEIGHTS OF 90FT. A MAX OF 90FT. THAT'S COME DOWN TO 70FT. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN TALK WITH THE DEVELOPERS, WHOEVER THE POTENTIAL TO POTENTIAL FOLKS ARE, THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN THERE TO REDUCE THAT BUILDING HEIGHT DOWN AROUND 
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THE EXISTING RESIDENCES, GET IT DOWN TO A MORE REASONABLE HEIGHT. MY BARN IS ABOUT 40FT TALL. WHY NOT MAX OUT AT 40FT AROUND THOSE EXISTING HOUSES? I DON'T WANT TO LOOK OUT MY BACKYARD OR MY ACROSS THE FIELD AND SEE A 70 FOOT WAREHOUSE OUT THERE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A 70 FOOT WAREHOUSE OUT YOUR BACK DOOR. LET'S SEE. THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER POINTS THAT I HAVE HERE. MY I DO HAVE BIG CONCERNS. AGAIN, MY HUSBAND STATED EARLIER THAT WE HAVE A FARM OF 36 ACRES. WHAT HAPPENS IF THESE DATA CENTERS TAKE UP MORE ELECTRICITY? I HAVE BEEN CONTACTING UNION RURAL ELECTRIC. I GOT VERY GENERIC RESPONSES FROM THEM THAT WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUPPLY WHATEVER ENERGY THAT THEY THEY ARE IN NEED OF AS MEMBERS OF THE OF THE COOPERATIVE. LICKING COUNTY AND TRI-COUNTY COOPERATIVES ARE ALREADY HAVING ISSUES BECAUSE OF DATA CENTERS. LICKING COUNTY IS NOW LOOKING INTO BUILDING A NATURAL GAS FIRED POWER PLANT BECAUSE OF THIS. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN LONG TERM IN OUR COUNTY WITH THE ELECTRIC USAGE, NOISE POLLUTION? WHAT DOES THAT DO NOT JUST FOR US? ONE, THIS IS GOING TO BE IN CITY LIMITS. IF THIS IS ALL ANNEXED AND THIS IS ALL CITY LIMITS, WHAT ARE THE EXISTING ORDINANCES FOR NOISE AT NIGHT? FOR THE FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE THAT'S ANNEXED INTO THE CITY? DO THEY NOT HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE CITY NOISE ORDINANCES? HOW LATE ARE YOU ALLOWED TO RUN YOUR LAWNMOWER AT NIGHT IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE? AM I GOING TO HAVE TO HEAR A DATA CENTER? 24 OVER SEVEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD? IS THAT GOING TO BE ABIDING BY THE CITY ORDINANCES? I WOULD ASK THAT. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. I'VE GOT SOME FRIENDS THERE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUSH FOR THIS TO BE MORE OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. PERSONALLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GOT TO MAKE A LIVING, BART, I GET THAT. I UNDERSTAND WE NEED GROWTH IN MARYSVILLE. I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALLY ARE AGAINST GROWTH. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A REASONABLE WAY THAT RESPECTS THE EXISTING COMMUNITY. MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING TO BE MIXED USE AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 36. WHAT ABOUT BRINGING HOUSING DOWN INTO THAT SECTION ONE B INSTEAD OF INDUSTRIAL? WHAT ABOUT HOUSING OVER THERE WHERE IT COULD BE CONNECTED TO THE EXISTING HOUSING? AND THAT WAY YOU'VE GOT HOUSING THAT'S ABUTTING EXISTING HOUSING. YOU KNOW, COULD THERE BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS FOR THAT? LET'S SEE. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF IS SOMETHING I SAW PERSONALLY TODAY. AND ACTUALLY A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WERE HELPING ME UNLOAD PLANTS. I RUN A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS AT OUR FARM AS WELL AS RUNNING. OUR FARM IS OUT UNLOADING TRUCKS TODAY. AND THAT LOVELY LITTLE POND, WHICH IS MY NEIGHBOR MEGAN. WE GOT TO WATCH A BALD EAGLE FLY OFF OF THAT POND TODAY. BEAUTIFUL. WHAT DO THESE INDUSTRIES DO TO OUR NATIVE WILDLIFE? THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ARE THOSE. IS THAT NOISE GOING TO AFFECT THEM? IF BIG WAREHOUSES COME IN? IS THAT MILK? I KNOW THERE'S I KNOW THERE'S A BALD EAGLE NEST DOWN THERE. I HAVEN'T FOUND IT YET, BUT I KNOW THERE'S ONE OUT THERE. BUT WE GOT TO WATCH THAT TODAY. AM I GOING TO SEE THAT GO AWAY? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. FIGURE OUT HOW TO STOP IT. OH, WELL, HE FIGURES THAT OUT. WHAT'S THAT? JUST BE SWORN IN. OH, YES. SO IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, I WILL READ THE PLEDGE AND JUST SIGNAL BY SAYING I WILL. SO DO YOU DECLARE THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH, UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION I DO, I WILL. SORRY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. I'M JENNIFER FRY. I'M AT 15, 300 MYERS ROAD, MARYSVILLE, OHIO, 43 040. I'VE GROWN UP HERE MY WHOLE LIFE. I'VE MOVED AWAY FOR COLLEGE, MOVED AWAY A COUPLE TIMES. THE BALD EAGLE, ISN'T THAT A PROTECTED LIKE ANIMAL? I HAVE LOOKED OUT ON MY BACK DECK AND I'VE SEEN A BABY BALD EAGLE LIKE SO. IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO SEE THAT KIND OF STUFF. DO I WORK IN THIS AREA? NO. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I HATE TO SAY I AM. 43. I'M 43. I'M 43. I'M 43 YEARS OLD. AND I USED TO BE VERY PROUD OF BEING FROM MARYSVILLE. BUT THE KIND OF GROWTH THAT I'M HEARING IS NOT MAKING ME PROUD FROM BEING FROM HERE. AND I DON'T WORK IN THIS AREA, BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT LIKE, I WORK OUT IN THE WEST SIDE OF OHIO AND EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT, OH MY GOODNESS, WHAT'S 
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GOING ON? MARYSVILLE LIKE IT'S CRAZY GOING ON THERE AND I'M WHAT CAN I SAY. SO JUST THINK ABOUT THE PROTECTION OF THE ANIMALS OF THE BALD EAGLES THAT WE ARE NOW GETTING. I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM IN MY LIFE UNTIL LIKE THE LAST LIKE YEAR OR TWO AROUND HERE. AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN HERE LONGER. YOU KNOW, IT'S SAD TO SEE THAT. WE'VE BEEN TOLD MY WHOLE LIFE THAT GRASS IS GREENER HERE, BUT IT'S NO LONGER BECOMING AN AGRICULTURAL FARM AREA. IT USED TO BE. AND I'M SEEING THE FARMERS WANTING TO LEAVE, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT TO SELL THEIR LAND, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T GET YOUR MACHINERY AROUND. MY DAD USED TO BE A FARMER. YOU KNOW, TODAY IS ACTUALLY HIS BIRTHDAY, HIS FIFTH YEAR IN HEAVEN, BUT. HE WOULD PROBABLY BE SAD TO SEE ALL THE FARMERS BECAUSE WE USED TO. WE USED TO FARM COTTON'S. WE USED TO FARM WE'RE TOSSES. WAS LIKE, I CAN TELL ALL THESE FARMLANDS THAT YOU GUYS ARE TAKING. I'VE ACTUALLY BALED HAY AND BALED STRAW ON, AND IT'S KIND OF SAD TO SEE THAT WHAT THE TOWN WAS RAISED ON IS NO LONGER EVEN LOOKED UPON LIKE. IT'S LIKE YOU'RE NOT EVEN CARING ABOUT WHAT WE WERE BUILT ON TO BEGIN WITH. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT MY $0.02 IN. THANK YOU MA'AM, I APPRECIATE IT. OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS AARON GULLET. I LIVE IN 15755 MEADOWBROOK DRIVE. IT'S BEEN SPOKEN BEFORE ABOUT THE WATER, THE ELECTRICITY. MORE SO. 
          I'M NOT A 30 YEAR PERSON FROM THIS AREA. WHEN I WAS LOOKING TO BUY HOUSES, I WAS LOOKING FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT'S PEOPLE ARE PLANNING TO PUT THAT INDUSTRIAL ZONE NEXT TO. IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE WITH WHAT THE PEOPLE SAID THAT I KNOW MARYSVILLE HAS TO HAVE GROWTH, NATURE, PART OF LIVING IT, BUT WE HAVE AN ENTIRE ROAD CALLED INDUSTRIAL DRIVE. AND YOU WERE TALKING YOU HAVE PLANS TO UNTUCK TUCK INDUSTRY BACK BEHIND NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT SEEMS LIKE POOR PLANNING ON WHOEVER DOES THAT. NO PROBLEMS GOING DOWN THERE OR WHATEVER. BUT I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE WATER AND RUNOFF. MY KIDS PLAY IN THAT CREEK. THEY GO TO HER FARM, THEY DO ALL THESE THINGS. NOT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP THERE WOULD LIKE A PLANT GOING BEHIND THEIR BACKYARD RUINING WHERE THEIR KIDS PLAY. I ASSUME THAT'S WHY YOU BOUGHT YOUR HOME. I ASSUME THAT'S WHY YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE WHERE YOU LIVE. WE CHOSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS AND WHAT IT IS. IT'S BEING CHANGED. AND ALSO KIND OF WHAT ANOTHER ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS SAID THAT WAS NOT INFORMED ME. I KNEW THE SECTION TWO WAS PLANNING ON BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD. A LONG TIME AGO. I SAW THE POLLS, POLES GOING UP FOR THE POWER. I SAW THE WATER TREATMENT HUB, WHATEVER GOING RIGHT THERE. I PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER. I GET THAT IT SUCKS, BUT NO FARM WANTS TO SELL THEIR MONEY WHEN THE SELLER THEN THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. BUT I DO NOT WANT INDUSTRY. I VOTE NO, I KNOW IT'S NOT. IF THAT COMES UP TO VOTE OR IF THAT HAPPENS. HAVING INDUSTRY BACK THERE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE ONE THING, YOU KNOW. AND ALSO ALL THAT STUFF GOING IN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 33, ALL THE INDUSTRY COMING IN, ALL THOSE CONCRETE WALLS HAVE BEEN GOING UP THE PAST FEW YEARS. TODAY WE HAD A VOTE ON ASKING FOR MORE MONEY FROM OUR CITIZENS TO FOR THE SCHOOL TAXES. IS NONE OF THAT STUFF. GIVING ANY GOOD MONEY TO ANY OF THAT TAX MONEY IS NOT COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY, FUNDING OUR SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO ASK FOR ANOTHER ONE. I GET IT. SO. THAT THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I WORK AT SCOTT'S, I LIVE OVER THERE. I DRIVE TO DELAWARE ALL THE TIME. YOU'RE BASICALLY HIGHLIGHTING, LIKE WHERE I'M AT 90% OF THE TIME, HOUSING. THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE, I GET THAT, BUT I DO NOT WANT ANY INDUSTRY GOING UP THERE. I DON'T WANT MY WELL TO DRY. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HEAR THE SOUNDS. I CAN HEAR MY WORK PLANT DURING A COLD WINTER NIGHT. I CAN HEAR THE SCOTTS PLANT RUNNING RIGHT. I GET THAT I SIGNED UP FOR THAT. 
          NONE OF US ARE SIGNING UP FOR THIS, OKAY? NO ONE WOULD WANT THAT IN THEIR BACKYARD. OKAY. 
          AND ALSO, I DON'T. NO OFFENSE. ALL THE PROMISES OF TAX MONEY ARE NICE, BUT A LOT OF STUFF'S HAPPENED AND WE'RE STILL ASKING FOR IT, SO I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT. IT ALL SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE I DON'T BUY IT. SO WATER, ELECTRICITY I DON'T WANT MY WELLS TO DRY UP. I DON'T WANT THE NOISE. I DON'T WANT THE POLLUTION. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY LIKE, LET'S KEEP MARYSVILLE SMALL. I MEAN, I KNOW IT HAS TO GROW. BUT AGAIN, THE FIRST PRESENTATION OVER THERE, THE WEAVER RIDGE, THAT ONE KIND OF MADE COMMON SENSE. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT LET'S KEEP JOLLY ROAD JOLLY. I'M WORRIED ABOUT 
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THE TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THE INLETS ARE GOING TO GO OUT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN WATKINS ROAD NOW. LIKE MY KIDS RIDE DOWN JOLLY ROAD. AND IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING TRAILS AND STUFF BACK THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC. OTHER PEOPLE'S HOUSES ARE GOING TO DO THAT. I TODAY CALLED THE ZONING OFFICE I WAS ASKING ABOUT. WE EITHER HAVE TO I'VE HAD A THIRD CHILD, I EITHER HAVE TO DO AN EXPANSION ON MY HOUSE, OR I HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE A COUSIN LIVES ACROSS THE STREET. I HAVE A LOT OF LONG TERM NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY CAN TELL YOU ALL THE PEOPLE WE LOVE THAT AREA. WHAT SENSE DOES IT MAKE FOR ME TO PUT AN EXPANSION ON MY HOUSE TO TRY TO STAY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO RUIN IT, THAT DOESN'T HELP OUT. I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S DOING THAT THINKING THAT MENTALITY. YOU'RE HURTING MY HOME VALUE. IT'S NOT WHAT I MOVED THIS AREA FOR. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK, COMMENT OR COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. 
          SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW. YEAH. JACKIE SCOTT, 15 901 JOLLY ROAD. THE CREEK THAT EVERYONE IS REFERRING TO IS NOT A CREEK, IT'S A RUNOFF. WHEN I MOVED THERE IN 87, I COULD JUMP ACROSS THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE BUILDING THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, THAT'S NO LONGER POSSIBLE. I HAVE LOST PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THIS. SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT MORE RUNOFF GOING INTO THAT CREEK. AND TWICE EVERYTHING ON THAT CREEK HAS BEEN KILLED BY CHEMICALS FROM SOMEWHERE. YOU CAN INVESTIGATE THAT. SO I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT EITHER. AND ANOTHER THING, I ENJOY THE WILDLIFE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO SIT THERE AND WATCH IT. DRINK COFFEE ON YOUR PORCH IN THE MORNINGS. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE DOMESTIC ANIMALS? THEY'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE THEM BENADRYL BECAUSE THEY GIVE THEM ANXIETY FROM HEARING ALL OF THAT. THERE'S A LOT HERE TO CONSIDER, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S DOING IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. BURT COULD COME BACK UP AND TALK THROUGH SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING. SO I HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY ON THE PROPERTY LINE. SO I'VE HAD ABOUT FIVE SEPARATE MEETINGS. ONE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A GROUP THAT THAT AMBER AND HER GROUP HAD HAD PUT TOGETHER. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH KIND OF THE GENERAL PIECES HERE. AND I KNOW, MICHAEL, YOU TAKE NOTES TOO. SO LET'S START WITH WITH THE UTILITIES. FIRST OFF, THERE WAS A SERVICE AGREEMENT DONE WITH THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. THEY HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THEY DO HAVE THE PROPER UTILITIES, BOTH BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE UTILITIES FOR THIS ANNEXATION AND FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM THE WATER. YEAH. IS THIS. YEAH. PUT ON HERE FROM THE FROM THE WATER STANDPOINT, THE 400,000 GALLONS IS CORRECT. THAT IS A LIMITATION THAT IS IN THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND THE DEVELOPER OF, OF ESSENTIALLY THE INNOVATION PARK, SO THAT 400,000 GALLONS IS MEANT TO BE A RESTRICTOR FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HOW MANY DATA CENTERS CAN COME INTO THIS THOUSAND ACRES. SO ANYBODY THAT THINKS THIS THOUSAND ACRES IS GOING TO BE FULL OF DATA CENTERS IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG, BECAUSE THAT 400,000 GALLONS PER DAY, SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED SOME DATA CENTERS PULL A MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND THEY DO MARYSVILLE'S NEW PLANT. THE LAST TIME I LOOKED HAD ABOUT 3.6 MILLION GALLONS. 
          THEY ARE ALLOCATING THAT FOR SOME DEVELOPMENT DOWN IN JEROME TOWNSHIP AND SOME HERE. BUT THAT WAS THE LIMITING RESTRICTOR FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE NUMBER OF DATA CENTERS THAT COULD BE IN THIS AREA. THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER BUSINESSES THAT, YOU KNOW, TURN THEIR LIGHTS ON ON MONDAY AND TURN THEM OFF ON FRIDAY AND GO HOME IN THE EVENINGS AND GO HOME ON THE WEEKENDS THAT ARE IN THE INNOVATION DISTRICTS, ETC. SO IT'S NOT ALL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIGHT MANUFACTURING. THIS IS NOT SMOKESTACKS THAT YOU KNOW, ARE FIRING COAL AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, BUT THE USES HAVE 
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BEEN DEBATED. YOU KNOW, WE DEBATED THE USES FAIRLY DRASTICALLY WITH THE BUXTON MEADOWS. SO THE CLOSEST HOUSE, MINUS THE ONE HOUSE ON JOLLY ROAD, THERE'S TWO HOUSES THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH ACROSS JOLLY ROAD FROM THIS, BUT THE REST ARE MORE THAN 600FT AWAY. THERE'S ONE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. THERE'S ONE TO THE NORTH OF JOLLY ROAD. I'VE MET WITH ONE OF THEM. I'VE SCHEDULED SOME TIME. TRIED TO SCHEDULE SOME TIME WITH THE OTHER ONE. WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO FOR THOSE PARTICULAR RESIDENTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY AND IMMEDIATELY IMPACTED. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAW WAS THE BUFFERING PLAN, THE BIKE TRAIL AND SOME OF THAT THAT CAME FROM SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM THOSE RESIDENTS, AND WE'RE STILL WILLING TO DO MORE BECAUSE THE ZONING IS ONE THING HERE, BUT ALSO HOW WE DESIGN AND HOW WE DEVELOP. WE CAN MAKE ADDITIONAL DECISIONS AND ADD SMALL PIECES AND PARTS TO THAT. SO FROM A WATER STANDPOINT, THE WATER IS A RESTRICTING PIECE HERE WITH THE 400,000 GALLONS A DAY GOING TO DATA CENTERS. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WELLS, VERY INFREQUENT, THAT THE USERS OF THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO DRAW DRILL WELLS. THE AQUIFER IS VERY WELL KNOWN. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DRIED UP HERE. THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE COUNTY ENGINEER WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THOSE PROCESSES. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE AQUIFER IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED HERE. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF RUNOFF. WE CANNOT AS A DEVELOPER, WE CANNOT AS A DEVELOPER, SEND ANY MORE WATER INTO THESE CREEKS THAN GOD. AND GRAVITY IS SENDING RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S JUST A FACT. WE HAVE TO CREATE DETENTION PONDS AND RETENTION PONDS WHERE NEEDED. WE HAVE OUR ENGINEER, WE HAVE THE CITY ENGINEER. THEY GO THROUGH THE CALCULATIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PROMISED, AND SECTION TWO, WAS THAT WE'D SHARE THOSE ENGINEERING INFORMATION ON THE WATER RUNOFF AND THAT SORT OF STUFF WITH THE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES AND WITH THE RESIDENTS, IF THEY WANT TO SEE AT A BUXTON MEADOWS, BECAUSE WE'LL GO THROUGH AND THE DETENTION PONDS ARE OVER IN SECTION TWO, THERE COULD BE DETENTION PONDS UP HERE. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WATER RUNS BY GOD AND GRAVITY TO BEGIN WITH, AND IT'S FLOWING PROBABLY TOWARDS THE CREEK. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT ENGINEERING, BUT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THAT BACK SECTION AROUND JOLLEY ROAD COULD HAVE A DETENTION POND THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE WATER RUNS, WANTS TO RUN. IF ONE IS NEEDED AND WE CAN'T GET IT, IT'S VERY UNLIKELY WE GET IT TO THE DETENTION PONDS IN BUXTON BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CREEK THAT GOES THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SECTION. SO THE AQUIFERS ARE GOING TO BE PROTECTED. THE WATER CAPACITY IN MARYSVILLE IS THERE, AND THEY ARE IDENTIFYING THE 400,000. FROM AN ELECTION STANDPOINT, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE ELECTOR PROVIDERS THAT PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE MARYSVILLE AREA. URI IS AWARE OF THIS. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S POWER, AND IF THERE'S NOT POWER, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A RESTRICTING FACTOR AS PEOPLE COME IN. BUT A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE LABS, RESEARCH, THOSE SORT OF THINGS. YOU CAN'T JUST SIT HERE AND THINK THAT THERE'S A THOUSAND ACRES OF DATA CENTER COMING OVER THE NEXT 3 TO 15 YEARS TO THIS AREA, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO FROM A NOISE STANDPOINT, SAME THING WITH BUXTON MEADOWS. I MEAN, THEY'RE ON THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE INNOVATION PARK. WE SAT DOWN, WENT OVER WITH ALL OF THEM THROUGH THAT SESSION. IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD PROBABLY 40 PEOPLE AT THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE, WE PROBABLY HAD 20 PEOPLE. AND ON THE THIRD ONE WE HAD THREE THAT WE HAD WORKED THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. THAT'S WHAT THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY AND MYSELF DO. AND WE'RE STILL WILLING TO MEET WITH PEOPLE EVEN AFTER TODAY. BUT FROM THE NOISE STANDPOINT, WE ARE APPLYING THE MARYSVILLE STANDARDS TO 100% OF THIS AREA. WE'RE APPLYING IT TO THE TOWNSHIP. THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT. IS TOWNSHIPS RESIDENTS ACTUALLY BEING APPLIED. THAT AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO AGREED IS WE'D MEASURE THAT NOISE STANDARD FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT FROM SOMEBODY'S HOUSES 600FT AWAY OR, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JOLLY ROAD. WE'LL MEASURE THAT AT OUR PROPERTY LINE. THERE'S SOME NOISE PROBLEMS WITH DATA CENTERS. NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT. THERE'S ONE IN JEROME TOWNSHIP THAT'S AT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS RIGHT NOW. 
          THE DESIGN OF DATA CENTERS THEMSELVES, IF IT IS REGULATED IN THE RIGHT WAY, CAN REDUCE THE NOISE THEMSELVES BY PUTTING THE MECHANICALS INSIDE THE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS TO WHERE THE BUILDINGS PROTECT THIS. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED IN JEROME TOWNSHIP. SO THAT DATA CENTER IS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, AND THERE ARE SOME NOISE ISSUES. WE TOOK THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, AND I BELIEVE WE ALSO TOOK SOME RESIDENTS OVER TO THE NEW ALBANY BUSINESS PARK, WHICH HAS A NUMBER OF DATA CENTERS AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS. THEY GOT THE BEAUTY CAMPUS, THEIR DATA, OR THEIR BUSINESS PARK IS 9000 ACRES, AND WE TOURED THEM THROUGH AND SHOWED THEM THE NOISE ISSUES AND OR THE LACK OF NOISE ISSUES ON THAT WHEN WE DID ONE AND WHEN WE DID TWO, CITY COUNCIL WENT WHEN THE BUXTON RESIDENTS WERE CONCERNED, AND WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE CONCERNS BOTH PUBLICLY AND IN INDIVIDUAL PRIVATE PIECES. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE DETENTION PONDS ACTUALLY EXPANDING AND THE ROADWAY, THEY ACTUALLY WANTED ROAD A TO BE CLOSER TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD THAN FARTHER AWAY. SO WE REPOSITIONED. AND WHEN YOU ASKED ME THE ENGINEERING, IF WE KNEW WHERE ROAD A IS GOING, WE DO KNOW IT FROM WATKINS TO WATKINS. 
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WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT GETS TO 36 AND FOUR AT THIS TIME. SO NOISE ELECTRIC. LET'S SEE. HOLD IT. IT'S A TERRIBLE PART OF LIFE. I CAN SEE YOU CLEARLY, BUT I CAN'T SEE THIS STUFF WITHOUT THESE. THE 400,000 GALLONS IS CORRECT, BUT THAT IS LIMITING. AGAIN, THIS IS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT TALKED ABOUT IN THE MSDS, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THAT PERSON THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. AND I DOUBT VERY MANY PEOPLE IN THE ROOM HAS HIS LEVEL OF EXPERTISE. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID TALK ABOUT IS, I GUESS AS FAR AS THAT GOES, I MEAN, YOU'RE ALSO AT A POINT THAT YOU HAVE OWNERS. THAT IS CORRECT, YOU KNOW, SO, YEAH, THAT THAT SOME OF THE PORTIONS BACK THERE, IT COULD BE A 30 FOOT TALL BUILDING THAT COMES BACK THERE AND DECIDES THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF, OF GREEN SPACE AROUND THEIR BUILDING. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE PARCELS, WHETHER IT WILL BE A 20 ACRE PARCEL OR 50 OR 100 ACRE USER THAT'S COMING IN. BUT THE ONE THING WE DO KNOW, IN ORDER TO CAPTURE THOSE OR CAPTURE THOSE USERS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE GROUND THAT IS ZONED, HAS UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. AND THAT'S WHAT THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY DOES BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE. THEY PUT THAT IN. A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL ZONE SOMETHING AND WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR. AND THEN TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ACTUALLY COME. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S A MILLENNIAL THING OR A GEN Z THING, BUT THE QUICKNESS OF DECISIONS NOW IN THE MARKET SEEMS TO BE VERY, VERY RAPID. AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO BE ZONED. THEY DON'T WANT UTILITY LINES TO BE EXTENDED. THEY DON'T WANT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ROADWAY. 
          AND THAT PARALLELS WHAT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING, THAT ONE, THEY DON'T WANT TO FUND THAT GROWTH, BUT TWO, THEY WANT THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THERE KIND OF BEFORE ALL THE TRAFFIC. AND SOME OF THAT STUFF HAPPENS FROM AN ACCESS POINT. I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE CAN DO FOR THE PEOPLE ON JOLLY ROAD IS THERE WILL BE NO ACCESS POINTS OFF OF THIS PARK TO JOLLY ROAD. I'VE SAID THAT IN ALL THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, SO THERE WILL BE NO CONNECTION THERE. OUR TRAFFIC WILL COME IN AND OUT OF THE ROAD THAT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE, WHICH IS THAT ROAD A PIECE. SO I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE MOUNDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ALONG JOLLY ROAD THAT'S NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE. SO THAT IS SOUTH. AND WE DID SHOW THE FLOOD ZONE. IT'S ON THE AUDITOR'S WEBSITE. SO WE THE MOUNDING IS NOT THERE. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE TREES AND THERE'S A DITCH ALONG JOLLY ROAD THAT'S THERE. WE'RE 100 FOOT BUFFER IN THAT, AND WE'RE PUTTING THE MOUNDING CLOSER TO THE 100 FOOT AREA TO BE ABLE TO ADD SOME HEIGHTENING OF TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THERE. SO THIS MOUNDING THERE'S NO FLOODING IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE FLOOD ZONE. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CAPTURE. AND WITH THESE MOUNDS, IT'S USUALLY NOT A COMPLETE STRAIGHT MOUND. YOU'RE KIND OF MEANDERED THEM. AND SO THEY HAVE AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THINGS DON'T HAVE TO GO UP AND OVER, BUT THEY CAN KIND OF WALK BETWEEN THEM. AND WATER RUNS THAT WAY TOO. BUT SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE ADDITIONAL FLOODING. SORRY. JUST TO MAKE SURE I WON'T BE A CONTINUOUS MOUND. RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO AND IT'S NOT EVEN IF WATER GOT TO THERE. YEAH. IT'S NOT CONTINUOUS. SO. YEAH. SO WE'LL WE'LL FIND ITS WAY. THIS IS THIS IS THE MOUND STRUCTURE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A BREAK HERE THAT KIND OF TAPERS DOWN UP HERE BETWEEN. SO THAT'S A MOUND ITSELF. THIS IS A MOUND. THERE'S TREES HERE THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH. BUT IT'S NOT A CONTINUOUS, YOU KNOW, 5 TO 7 FOOT WALL OF DIRT THAT JUST GETS PILED UP THERE. MOUND IS FOR ASSISTING IN THE BUFFERING. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE TREES THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY THE TREES THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER. THEY'RE PROBABLY 35 TO 40 FOOT. BUT THE MOUNDING IS GOING TO FILL IN UNDERNEATH. AND AGAIN, DON'T FORGET THE HONEYSUCKLE. AND WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANY OF THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF MAINTAINING. IT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. WE WILL REMOVE DEAD TREES AND STUFF FROM SOME OF THESE AREAS, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANYTHING DOWN. SO I'M NOT SO SURE OF THE MAINTENANCE ISSUE. THESE TREES, NOBODY'S BEEN WATERING, THESE TREES THAT YOU KNOW, ARE LONG JOLLY ROAD OR I MEAN, THAT'S THIS IS JUST NATURAL DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IN THERE UNLESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DEAD STUFF, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE CREEK AND THE, THE FLOOD ZONE. WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GETTING IN THERE. I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S MILL CREEK. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, THE COUNTY IS GETTING IN THERE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE LOGJAM PROJECT, AND THERE ARE SOME LOGJAMS ON THE MILL CREEK PART THAT GOES UP AROUND MARYSVILLE EAST THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAR OUT. SO THEY WOULD GET IN THERE, BUT WE WOULD NOT. SO. 
          STORMWATER, ALL THE STORMWATER. SO LIKE I SAID BEFORE, OUR REQUIREMENTS FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT AND I AM NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT IT IS WE CANNOT PUT ANY MORE WATER IN THE STREAMS THAT ARE CALCULATED GOING INTO THE STREAMS BASED ON ANY OF IT, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 100 YEAR FLOOD, SO THAT ENGINEERING OUR ENGINEERS WILL ENGINEER OUR DETENTION PONDS AT A DEPTH AND A WIDTH, AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT WATER SUCCESSFULLY 
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OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND RELEASE IT AT THE SAME RATE THAT IS MEASURED IN THE EXISTING. AND LIKE I SAID, GOD AND GRAVITY IS DETERMINING WHERE THAT WATER GOES RIGHT NOW. SO USUALLY DEVELOPMENT DOES MUCH, MUCH, MUCH BETTER AT MAINTAINING RUNOFF AND STORMWATER THEN GRAVITY ITSELF. SO THE CITY'S ENGINEER WILL GO THROUGH THAT MOUNDING. MAINTAIN TREES. THE COMMENT ABOUT 3000 HOUSES. I'M NOT SO SURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM. THE WHAT THE CITY HAS, HAS DONE IS THE LINE OF DEMARCATION FOR THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA, WHERE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY TALL TREES ON THAT ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT RAIL LINE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BYWAY. WE'VE COMMITTED TO PUT A TRAIL SYSTEM THAT LINKS THE TRAILS TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT CONNECTED COMMUNITIES. SO AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE CONNECTING JOLLY ROAD, WE'RE CONNECTING BUXTON MEADOWS INTO IT. ULTIMATELY, WE'D LIKE TRAILS TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CREEK UP TO SECTION THREE D THEANN ACROSS THAT CREEK. IF THE LANDOWNERS WOULD ALLOW THAT TO GET OVER TO SCOTT'S FARM, AND THEN YOU CAN CONNECT THE ENTIRE EAST SIDE WITH THAT. THAT IS PART OF ALL THE PLANNING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. ON TRYING TO CREATE CONNECTED COMMUNITIES. SO THIS IS A BIG PART. ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT 50 ACRES WORTH OF GREEN SPACE IN SECTION THREE. WE'VE GOT 60 SOME HERE. I THINK WE HAD CLOSE TO 20 BEFORE. 
          SO ULTIMATELY THE BEAUTIFICATION AREA HERE IN THE AREAS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT OR PROTECT OVER THE NEXT 15 TO 20 YEARS, AND IT'S REALLY A MARYSVILLE PLAN, NOT A MARYSVILLE EAST. IT'S CLOSER TO 220 ACRES WORTH OF IT, WHICH WOULD BE CONVERTED TO PARKS. 
          THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE GROUND IN SOME OF THE PARKS THAT WOULD BE CREATED INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE GREEN SPACE. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, BUILDING HEIGHTS 70 FOOT IS WHAT IS IN SECTION ONE AND TWO. WE'RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH THE RESIDENTS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BACK CORNER. THERE'S LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, A 35 FOOT OR A 50 FOOT OR THAT MARYSVILLE ORDINANCE IS 50 FOOT, I BELIEVE, AND THEIR INNOVATION CENTER IS THAT OR INNOVATION, LET'S SAY 55. I THOUGHT IT WAS IT. MAYBE IT'S 60, BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. AND I CAN ASK, I AM NOT THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPER, SO I'M THE ONE THAT'S THAT'S ANNEXING AND ZONING THIS IN. I CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND I DID MAKE THAT COMMENT TO HIM. IT HAS NEVER BEEN 90 FOOT, SO NOBODY HAS EVER PROPOSED 90 FOOT IN ANY OF THESE SECTIONS. AND I'M ALSO ON THE CSC BOARD THAT'S DOING THE INNOVATION PARK ON THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF 33. WE'VE NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED A BUILDING THAT'S 90 FOOT. SO THAT'S JUST THAT SOMETHING THERE WAS JUST MISHEARD. BUT THE CURRENT SECTION ONE AND TWO IS 70 FOOT. 
          AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN NOW AND CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER WE CAN DO A DEVELOPER APPROVED RESTRICTION UP FOR THAT CORNER. I WOULDN'T WANT TO OPPOSE IT OR PUT IT ALL ACROSS, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE HOUSES ON WATKINS ROAD THAT IS BEING CLEARED AND BEING BEING ACQUIRED. I WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, BUT WE CAN POSSIBLY CONSIDER IT. CAN'T COMMIT. TODAY I GOT TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS BUT COMMIT TO LOWER THAT IN THE BACK NORTHEAST CORNER. BUT BUT THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE BROUGHT IT THROUGH AS A PUD. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF CONTACT, I HAD MADE THE COMMENT THAT I'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO A NUMBER OF THE DIRECT IMPACTED. SO THERE IS A STANDARD AS TO WHAT MARYSVILLE COMMUNICATES. I DID LIKE I SAID, WE BOILED BUXTON MEADOWS, THE CONCERNS THEY HAD AT THE BEGINNING THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE BROUGHT IT DOWN AND WE HAD 2 OR 3 REPRESENTATIVES THAT WERE KIND OF REPRESENTING AND COMMUNICATING BACK TO EVERYONE, AND ULTIMATELY NOBODY SPOKE AT THE LAST DISCUSSION. I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN HERE. BUT I DID REACH OUT TO TWO OF THE THREE BUXTON MEADOWS PEOPLE TO LET THEM KNOW THIS WAS COMING THROUGH, HAD SHORT DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, AND BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF NORTH OF WATKINS ROAD, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY A BIG CONCERN. THEIR CONCERN WAS MAKING SURE THAT THE PROMISES THAT WE MADE BEFORE ABOUT THE TRAILS AND SOME OF THE MOUNDING AND THE DETENTION POND WASN'T CHANGING, WHICH IT WAS NOT. SO. AND MY CONTACT INFORMATION IS VERY EASY IF OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NEAR THE PROPERTY AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, IF YOU JUST WANT NO DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S PROBABLY NOTHING FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT. BUT IF YOU HAVE REAL SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THAT. SO IT WAS SUGGESTED. 
          SO I JUST TALK THROUGH THE DECISION OF OR HAD YOU CONSIDERED THAT EASTERN PART BEING RESIDENTIAL, BEING THAT, I MEAN, IT IS SEPARATED BY THE GREEN AREA? YEAH. THIS IS THIS 
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IS KIND OF THE DICHOTOMY BETWEEN TOWNSHIP AND MARYSVILLE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MARYSVILLE IS SLOW. 
          THE GROWTH FROM RESIDENTIAL SLOW, THE GROWTH FROM A MULTI-FAMILY STANDPOINT. THE PLANS FOR THIS AREA OVER, YOU KNOW, THE COMP PLAN WAS THE 2018 PLAN. SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS DONE FROM 21 TO 25. IN THAT DOCUMENT, THE FIRST PRIORITY WAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW MARYSVILLE CANNOT ANNEX TO THE SOUTH. IT CANNOT ANNEX INTO JEROME TOWNSHIP, AND IT CANNOT ANNEX INTO MILL CREEK TOWNSHIP BECAUSE OF A JET AGREEMENT THAT PREVENTS THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE FROM ANNEXING IN THERE. SO FROM AN INDUSTRIAL STANDPOINT, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK AND EQUATE JOBS AND HOUSES AND ALL THAT STUFF BECAUSE IT IS A BALANCE, YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PUT A LOT OF HOURS IN, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING BOARD AND THE PREVIOUS BOARD THAT WE WORKED WITH. WE STARTED SOME OF THIS PROJECT IN 2022 WHEN WE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT, THAT IS WHAT I DO FOR THE MOST PART. BUT THE CITY PLANS TALK ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE RETAIL BEING CENTERED ALONG BOTH SIDES OF 36, AND THAT RESIDENTIAL BEING CENTERED BETWEEN 36 AND THE CREEK TO THE NORTH, AND 36 AND THE TRAIL LINE TO THE SOUTH. SO THIS AREA HERE OPENS UP FOR INDUSTRIAL. IT'S CONTIGUOUS TO THE REST OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY IT'S COME THROUGH THIS WAY. SO, YOU KNOW, FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE TO DO RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE RESIDENTS HAVE SAID YOU NEED TO SLOW THE GROWTH. AND YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE TAKING THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. YOU KNOW, FROM A SCHOOL FUNDING STANDPOINT, THIS IS I MEAN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPACTFUL PIECES THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO MARYSVILLE IS THE 55 ACRE DATA CENTER ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE INNOVATION PARK. THAT 55 ACRES IT'S BAITED. BUT THE PILOT PAYMENTS THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO OVER THE FIRST 15 YEARS IS $900,000 PER YEAR TO THE MARYSVILLE SCHOOLS. SO YOUR LEVY THAT EITHER GOT VOTED ON OR GOT DENIED TODAY WAS 6.3 MILLION. I CAN SAY I'M WATCHING. NOPE, NOPE. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW. IT'S NOT I DON'T I DON'T GET TO VOTE. 
          SO IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S A 5050 ISSUE. AND THOSE ARE TOUGH. IT REALLY IS. BUT THAT $900,000 PER YEAR THAT AMAZON IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOL MATCHES, THE AMOUNT OF THE TIF AREA IN THE FIVE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT IS GOING AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL AND GOING TO THE TREATMENT PLANT. OKAY, SO THAT'S HOW AMAZON AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TIED THOSE TWO TOGETHER. SO BY THE TIME THAT THAT 15 YEAR PAYMENT FROM AMAZON DATA CENTER IS, IS TERMINATED, THE TIFS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN SUCH A BIG ISSUE WILL HAVE EXPIRED. SO THAT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CITY COUNCIL AND OTHERS TYING THAT UP, TRYING TO FIX AN ISSUE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT WAS THE WRONG DECISION THAT WAS MADE 16, 17 YEARS AGO FOR THAT REGIONAL PUMP STATION. AND IF THAT WAS OR NOT, REGIONAL PUMP STATION, THE TREATMENT PLANT, IF THAT WASN'T THERE, NONE OF THIS HOUSES. I MEAN, ADINA POINT, NONE. COOK'S POINT, NONE OF THAT WOULD BE HERE IN MARYSVILLE. SO I MEAN, THEY'RE HARD DECISIONS THAT CITY CITY MAKES. BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT THE BUSINESS GROWTH AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, IF YOU CAN'T ANNEX TO THE SOUTH, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IT TO THE NORTH AND NORTH OF COOK'S POINT, NORTH OF THE RESIDENTIAL? THIS HAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES FOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT'S SCOTT'S LAWN, BECAUSE YOU CAN BIFURCATE THE TRAFFIC THAT IS FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AND THE BUSINESSES GOING TO SCOTT'S LAWN AND PREVENT THAT FROM GOING UP FOR TO US 36 NOW, ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT'S USED TO PREVENT SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC FROM GOING TO THE NORTH IS GOING TO BE ROUNDABOUTS. AND THAT'S PROBABLY A 5050 ISSUE. AS TO PEOPLE THAT LIKE ROUNDABOUTS AND PEOPLE THAT HATE ROUNDABOUTS. BUT THAT'S NOT MY DECISION. THAT IS THE CITY ENGINEER'S DECISION AS TO WHETHER IT'S AN INTERSECTION OR A ROUNDABOUT. SO FROM THE STANDPOINT, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE THE BUSINESS PARK, THE BUSINESS PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS, THE INNOVATION PARK, IS DOWN TO ITS LAST TWO PARCELS, WITH THE 55 ACRES GOING TO THE AMAZON DATA CENTER AND THAT AMAZON DATA CENTER. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES THAT DATA CENTER THERE, WHICH IS $1 BILLION DATA CENTER, IS GOING TO PULL NO MORE THAN 40,000 GALLONS PER DAY. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PONDS THAT THEY PUT THAT 40,000 GALLONS IN, AND THEY MAY STORE IT UP THROUGH THE WINTER OR STORE IT UP FOR THOSE AUGUST AND JULY, BUT THEY'RE RESTRICTED TO BEING ABLE TO PULL NO MORE THAN 40,000 GALLONS A DAY. AND THAT IS THE CITY UTILITIES DIRECTOR, THE CITY ENGINEER. THAT'S MARYSVILLE MANAGING THEIR WATER CAPACITY FOR THOSE REASONS. AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT THAT THAT CAPACITY IS GONE, THEY HAVE TO MAKE OTHER DECISIONS AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE BUSINESSES DECIDE TO RELOCATE IN OTHER AREAS. BUT LET ME GO BACK THROUGH HERE. SO THE STANDPOINT FOR THE SCHOOL LEVY, YOU HAVEN'T HAD SIGNIFICANT. INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS COME HERE, THE INNOVATION PARK. 
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IT CAN BE DEBATED AS TO HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT'S BEEN. YOU'VE GOT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT SAY IT'S BEEN LONGER AND HAS NOT GENERATED THE JOBS. IT IS A VALIANT EFFORT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE THE POLITICAL COURAGE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. WHEN THEY DID 8 OR 9 YEARS AGO, TO BUY GROUND, TO DECIDE TO PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN, TO TRY TO BRING HIGHER PAYING JOBS. THEY MADE THAT EFFORT. I CAN LET EVERYBODY DEBATE AS TO WHETHER THE INNOVATION PARK HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL, BUT NOW YOU HAVE AN OUTSIDE DEVELOPER THAT'S WILLING TO BUY THE GROUND, PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND SPEND THAT IN ORDER TO GENERATE THE JOBS, THE SALARIES, THE PAYROLL, THE INCOME TAX, THE SUPPORT FOR THE SCHOOLS AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. AND THAT'S WHAT CITY COUNCIL, WHETHER IT'S THIS ONE OR THE PREVIOUS ONE, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THEY SEE IN THIS PROJECT AND WHY YOU'VE SEEN SECTION ONE, ONE A AND SECTION TWO APPROVED IN THE PAST. AND AGAIN, IT TIES INTO THE SCOTTS LAWN PIECE. BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST PART WITHIN MARYSVILLE AS TO WHERE TO PUT THESE JOBS. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE WITH THAT AND THEY WOULD WANT OTHER THINGS. AND PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I'M A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER, SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY OWN CHOICE THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CITY, FROM A MASTER PLAN STANDPOINT IS ASKING FOR IN THIS AREA. MR. CHAIR, WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT ON THIS LIST? IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE GETTING TO A RAMBLING. YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE GETTING NEAR THE BOTTOM. SO SOMETHING WAS BROUGHT UP. WAS WILDLIFE SPECIFICALLY PERHAPS PROTECTED ANIMALS, BALD EAGLES. SO EAGLES ARE ACTUALLY NOT PROTECTED IN THE STATE OF OHIO ANY LONGER. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE AT JEROME VILLAGE. I DEVELOPED JEROME VILLAGE FOR 15 YEARS. NO, NO YOU CAN'T GUYS. YOU CANNOT SHOOT THEM. BUT AT YOUR OWN VILLAGE, WE HAD A NESTING PAIR OF EAGLES THAT WAS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT ESSENTIALLY STAYED IN OUR DEVELOPMENT FOR EIGHT YEARS WITH HOUSES BUILT AROUND IT. NOW THAT WAS HOUSES. IT WAS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE ELEMENTARY DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY STAYED THERE UNTIL THE WIND BROUGHT THEIR NEST DOWN. AND THEY HAD RELOCATED TWICE IN THE 15 YEARS THAT I WAS THERE. SO DEVELOPMENT NECESSARILY DOESN'T DO THAT. AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND TELL YOU THAT NOISE FROM A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING MAY CHANGE THAT, BUT WILDLIFE IS STILL GOING TO WALK THROUGH THIS AREA. THEY'RE STILL GOING TO FOLLOW THE CREEKS AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE A BUILDING VERSUS CORNFIELDS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, DIRT THAT'S THAT'S THERE THROUGHOUT THE WINTER AND THE MONTHS THAT SOMETHING'S NOT GROWING. SO WHAT ELSE DID YOU HAVE, MICHAEL? YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I HIT EVERY SINGLE THING, BUT LET ME LET ME ADDRESS 2000, 3000 HOUSES. I MEAN, NOISE POLLUTION. CAN YOU ADDRESS NOISE POLLUTION? YEAH. WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CITY'S ORDINANCE TO A T. SO WE DID NOT REWRITE THE ORDINANCE. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE EXPANDED THAT ORDINANCE TO BE MEASURED AT OUR PROPERTY LINE, NOT AT THE NEIGHBOR'S FRONT DOOR OR THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO HOUSES, MOST HOUSES ARE MORE THAN 600FT AWAY FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE, BUT WE'RE MEASURING IT AT OUR PROPERTY LINE. WE'RE DOING THE MARYSVILLE STANDARDS, AND IT DOES APPLY FOR TOWNSHIP FOR RESIDENTS. SO AND SO I THINK YOU YOU ADDRESSED IT. BUT JUST TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT IT, CREEK RUNOFF, I MEAN THAT THAT GOES BACK TO THE STORMWATER ISSUE. YOU WILL NOT BE. NO, WE CANNOT PUT WE CANNOT PUT ANOTHER OUNCE OF WATER IN A CREEK THAT'S NOT ALREADY GOING THERE ALREADY. AND WE HAVE TO DETAIN THAT. SO WE WILL CREATE MORE IMPERVIOUS SPACES, I MEAN, ROOFS, PARKING LOTS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS. BUT WE HAVE TO CAPTURE ALL THAT EXCESS WATER. WE HAVE TO HOLD IT EITHER PERMANENTLY OR DETAIN OR RETAIN IT AND THEN RELEASE IT INTO THAT CREEK OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, AT A RATE NO MORE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY GOING THERE. 
          NATURALLY. YOU KNOW, MILL CREEK IS I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE LOGJAM, BUT MILL CREEK RIGHT NOW IN THIS AREA IS SIGNIFICANTLY BLOCKED IN A FEW AREAS. THE LARGEST TREE LOGJAM IS ACTUALLY NORTH OF SECTION THREE, AND IT WILL BE CLEARED OUT, WHICH WILL ALLOW THE FLOW OF WATER A BETTER IN THAT. BUT WE'RE NOT WE CAN'T BUILD IN FLOOD ZONES, SO WE'RE OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONES AND WE HAVE TO DETAIN OR RETAIN OUR OWN WATER AND RELEASE IT AT A RATE THAT THE ENGINEERS WILL DO. AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN TALK ABOUT FROM THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT ENGINEERING BACKGROUND. ALL RIGHT. OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE ANYTHING ON THE LIST THAT I MISSED OR OTHER COMMENTS THAT COME UP. I HAVE ONE COMMENT. IT SEEMS TO BE THE TRIGGER ISSUE IS THE DATA CENTERS, RIGHT? WITH THE ADDITIONAL ANNEXATION? DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IS THEIR WILLINGNESS TO PUT A NUMBER A LIMIT ON IT NUMBER, WHETHER IT BE ACREAGE OR NUMBER OF DATA CENTERS, OR THAT THEY WILL ADHERE TO THE NOISE WITH THE MECHANICALS IN THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO KIND OF BRIDGE THE GAP, I GUESS A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. SO, SO THE ACTUAL USE AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, THAT'S A PIECE THAT WILL COME LATER AS, AS WE FIGURE OUT WHERE THINGS ARE GOING. SURE. 
          IF, IF YOU ASK THE DEVELOPER THAT IS DOING THE, THE LAND, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THOSE SORT OF 
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THINGS, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY BUILD THE DATA CENTERS, BUT THEY DO HAVE INFLUENCE ON THE DESIGN. 
          YOU WOULD WANT TO PUT THEM ALONG 33 IF YOU ASK ME. SURE. BECAUSE THERE IS A LIMITING FACTOR HERE ON THAT WATER. THAT LIMITING FACTOR IS REAL. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 1000 ACRES WORTH OF DATA CENTERS HERE. YOU WILL NOT. NOW WHETHER ONE GOES IN THE BACK CORNER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT DETENTION PONDS AND SOME ADDITIONAL, YOU CAN DESIGN THEM TO BLOCK OUT THE NOISE THEMSELVES AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. AND THIS DEVELOPER PROBABLY DOES IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY OR IN CENTRAL OHIO, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, THEY'RE 9000 ACRES IS IN NEW ALBANY. AND IT DOES HAVE NEW ALBANY RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT, MAYBE NOT AS CLOSE AS BUXTON MEADOWS, BUT IT IS THERE. IF IT WAS GENERATING POISONS IN THE WATER AND POISONS IN THE AIR AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LAWYERS THAT LIVE IN NEW ALBANY. THAT'S WHAT I'D PROBABLY SAY TO THAT. BUT THIS COMPANY THAT'S COMING IN HERE DOES IT BETTER THAN JUST ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE ON DOING THAT. SO ARE THERE LIMITATIONS? I THINK AS INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS COME THROUGH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO COME BACK THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT AND ALL THOSE PLANS, BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, DEALS WITH WHERE THE ROADS, THE ROADS GO. WE KNOW WHERE SORT OF WHERE THE LARGER ROAD GOES. BUT SO I CAN TAKE IT BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION, WHETHER WE ARE WILLING TO IMPOSE A DEVELOPER RESTRICTION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD NOT VOTE ON AND WOULDN'T BE IN THERE. BUT WE CAN MAKE COMMITMENTS TO STAFF. WE CAN DO THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND THE CODE THAT I'VE WRITTEN FOR THIS, THIS, THIS TEXT, AND WE WILL TAKE BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HEIGHT AND ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS, PROBABLY IN THAT BACK CORNER, BECAUSE, I MEAN, JUST LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, I MEAN, YOU KEEP MAKING THE COMMENT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A THOUSAND ACRES OF DATA CENTERS, CORRECT? THE CODE YOU WROTE, THERE'S NO THERE COULD BE. 
          RIGHT? THE WATER COULD STOP IT, BUT THE ZONING TEXT DOESN'T. BUT THAT'S. NO, NO, YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. BUT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE STILL HAS DECISIONS. IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN BLANKLY COME IN HERE AND DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY AND MARYSVILLE. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE CITY COUNCIL. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR UTILITY DIRECTOR IS TRYING TO DO, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A LIMITING FACTOR. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST LIMITING FACTOR THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT ON THE WATER, RIGHT, IS THE WATER. SO I MEAN, I'M BIASED AND I'M NOT GOING TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THAT IS A REALLY GOOD PIECE TO HAVE. I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THERE ARE NOT AGREEMENTS LIKE THAT IN JEROME TOWNSHIP. THERE ARE NOT AGREEMENTS LIKE THAT IN WEST JEFF AND SOME OF THE AREAS THAT IN CENTRAL OHIO THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERING OR THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERING THOSE THINGS AND JUST WANT THE DATA CENTER TO COME BECAUSE PICK US, PICK US. YEAH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT GOING IN, NOT ONLY THIS, BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AS WELL. AND, AND THAT'S YOUR CITY THAT THAT'S GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND ASKING FOR THOSE LIMITATIONS. 
          UNDERSTOOD. THANKS. OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. YES. THERE ARE NO YOU HAVE NO END USERS IN MIND OR SIGNED UP FOR THESE. NO. SO USER CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE CLOSED I APOLOGIZE. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE CLOSED I APOLOGIZE. WHAT'S THAT? I'LL TELL YOU LATER. OKAY? NO, YOU CAN'T KILL HIM. BUT YOU CAN. YOU CAN DEVELOP AROUND THEM. IF YOU'VE DONE THIS STUFF. OKAY. 
          YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE NO USERS YET, CORRECT. WHAT'S THAT? NO, NOT NOT THAT I'M NOT ON THAT SIDE. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS IF AN END USER IS AVAILABLE AND IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO BUILD, THEY WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF MULTIPLE BOARDS AND MULTIPLE PEOPLE CAN TALK 100%, 100%. SO 100 THIS IS NOT THE END ALL BE ALL OF SEXUAL ONE, TWO, ONE BE OR WHATEVER. THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A CONVERSATION FOR AN END USER. THIS IS THE BEGINNING. THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY SPECIALIZES HIMSELF ON HAVING SITE READY INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR COMMUNITY AUTHORITY DOCUMENT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE, THEY'RE GOING TO START TO BUILD THE ROADS. 
          THEY'VE GOT TO BUILD THE CENTRALIZED DETENTION SYSTEM, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO PROTECT AND PULL WATER FROM A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. NOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE N I M, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A THOUSAND ACRES GONE IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS. SO THAT STUFF DOES COME BACK THROUGH. SO 100%. IT DOES. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE. ALL RIGHT. SO I ASSUME YOU'RE WANTING TO GET APPROVAL AT THIS TIME FROM THE FROM THE ZONING STANDPOINT. YEAH. FROM THE CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW. AND YES, 100%. 
          ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? ARE THERE ANY STIPULATIONS THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO HIM AT 
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THIS POINT? I DON'T THINK AT THIS TIME WE DO. CHAD. NO, THAT. MOTION TO APPROVE OKAY. HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. ENGEL? YES, YES. MR. FISHER. NO. CITING SECTION SUBSECTION FIVE AND 707. MISS LONG. YES. MR. YES. MR. YES. MISS. BERGUS? YES. MR. WALLETS. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. THAT MOVES US ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. ASHLEY, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THIS EVENING? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS TONIGHT. YEAH. NOTHING FROM OUR END. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE IT A SECOND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE WRAPPING UP. YEAH. I'M LOOKING. REALLY? YEAH. ME TOO. I THINK YOU BROUGHT WATER AND I DIDN'T GET OUT BECAUSE WHEN I SAT DOWN. INSIDE AND CLOSED. REALLY? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SURE. SORRY. IF YOU CAN MOVE DOWN THE HALLWAY AND. IT'S ALL RIGHT, MIKE. OH, NO. I WAS GOING TO GO DOWN THE ROAD, TALK TO THE GENTLEMAN. APOLOGIZE. HE'S MY BIG BOY, BOYS. OH, NO. YOU'RE FINE. MEETINGS HAVE GONE OUT OF HAND A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN I. SURE. 
          ALL RIGHT. YOU DID GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO AS FAR AS DISCUSSION ITEMS, I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON CONVERSATIONS. MR. FISHER AND MYSELF HAVE HAD WITH A COUPLE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, OTHER CITY STAFF, JUST AS FAR AS POTENTIAL ZONING CHANGES. ZONING WORKING GROUP. ARE YOU REFERENCING? YES. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S JUST KIND OF SET THE TABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS WE'VE MET. I MEAN, 6 OR 7 LAST YEAR. YEAH. AND IT WAS IN THE FALL. WAS IT. YEAH. WE STARTED IN THE FALL. SO HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO I MEAN WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT DETAILS. WE'LL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ZONING CHANGES, SUGGESTIONS TO IMPROVE, STRENGTHEN LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE WE GET HIGH QUALITY, MOSTLY FOCUSED ON PUDS AT THIS TIME. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING THROUGH. AND IT'S BEEN A BACK AND FORTH. IT'S NOT COUNCIL TELLING US IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, US TELLING COUNCIL. IT'S WE'RE TRYING TO GET A HAPPY MEDIUM. SO MAINLY RESIDENTIAL PUDS. YES. YEAH. YEAH. THEN COMMERCIAL WILL BE LATER IN THE YEAR. YEAH. YEAH. AGAIN THE FOCUS IS TO, TO HAVE HIGHER STANDARDS BECAUSE PUDS YOU KNOW IT IT COULD BE ANYTHING. YOU KNOW WE JUST WANT TO SET SOME MINIMUMS THAT ARE ABOVE OUR NORMAL, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING. SO ANYTHING ELSE. DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT. WE HAD ONE CONNIE IMPROVEMENT GRANT ON EMMAUS LAST MONTH. WE TABLED A LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR SOMETHING ON FOR A GARAGE ON FOURTH STREET. IS HE COMING BACK THAT NEXT MONTH? OKAY, CHAD HAD SOME COMMENTS. I HAD SOME COMMENTS ON THIS GUY AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPAINTING THE BUILDING. THAT'S THE SMOKE SHOP BESIDE RICHWOOD BANK. NO. WELL, THAT WHOLE PLOT, THE WHOLE BUILDING, A MEXICAN ICE CREAM. MEXICAN. YES, YES. YEAH. AND THAT WAS IT. I THINK THAT WAS IT. YEAH, YEAH, A LOT OF. GRANTS FOR GRANTS. YEAH. OR NO THAT'S COMING, THAT'S COMING THIS MONTH. YEAH. WE HAVE 17 WHICH I HAVE ISSUE WITH 18 APPARENTLY 18 I MISCOUNTED. YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOME IMPROVEMENT GRANTS COMING WHICH THOSE ARE USUALLY FAIRLY FAIRLY QUICK. BUT YEAH YOU'LL HAVE THE FACADE GRANTS ON THAT APPLICATION TOO WHICH THE FACADE GRANT COMMITTEE. SO THAT CONSISTS OF CHAD. WE HAVE REVIEWED THOSE. MIRANDA'S BEEN PART OF THAT AS WELL. SO THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS AND I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE OVERLY DIFFICULT OR LONG APPLICATIONS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS REPORT THIS MONTH OKAY. CRA REPORT. SO WE MET IN MARCH TO OR IT'S OUR ANNUAL MEETING TO APPROVE THE 
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CONTINUATION OF THE ABATEMENTS IN THE CRA DISTRICTS WE HAD. I'LL START WITH THE EASY STUFF. 
          WE HAD EIGHT RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALL WE ALL VOTED TO CONTINUE ABATEMENT OF THE 12 COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, 6 IN 1 DISTRICT AND SIX IN THE OTHER. ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE STILL IN THEIR RAMP UP PERIODS, SO THEY'RE NOT HITTING THEIR METRICS, BUT THEY'RE STILL IN A GRACE PERIOD TO BE APPROVED. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DID VOTE TO CONTINUE ALL OF THEM. 
          THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION AROUND AT LEAST ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE WHILE THEY ARE IN THEIR GRACE PERIOD, THEY ARE NOT WORKING WITH STAFF TO REPORT. AND SO WE'RE AT THE TIME AND I DON'T HAVE FOLLOW UP YET, BUT AT THE TIME, WE WERE SEEKING WHAT OUR LEGAL OPTIONS WERE TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE CRA. AND THEN ONE OTHER PROJECT THAT WE THINK. HAS OUTLETS OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE OF THE CRA FOR THEIR TAX ABATEMENTS AND ARE AT LEAST ENTERTAINING, REMOVING THEM FROM THE CRA SO THEY CAN GO DOWN OTHER AVENUES FOR THEIR TAX ABATEMENTS. BUT THAT WAS IT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERYTHING DID GET APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOVE TO COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS. I'M GOING TO START THIS WAY I. NOTHING OKAY MR. ANGEL? YEAH. NOTHING FOR ME. NOTHING. THAT'S WRONG. YOU DID A DECENT JOB HANDLING THE CROWD TONIGHT. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT IT'S I KNOW BEING ON THE OTHER END, THAT IT'S DIFFICULT. BUT THANK YOU FOR. WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS HEARD, BUT FAIR BUT STERN. YEAH. MR. FISHER, SECOND WHAT CHAD SAID. AND ADDITIONALLY ADDING WITH THE PRONUNCIATION OF ALL THE ZEROS. YOU'RE GETTING VERY GOOD AT IT. THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO SAY WE THE TRAFFIC BOX ART COMPETITION FOR MAIN STREET, MARYSVILLE. WE MADE SELECTIONS LAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO, AMAZED AT HOW MANY SUBMISSIONS WE HAD. I THINK IT WAS OVER 40. A LOT OF LOT OF GREAT WORK. LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING MORE COMPETITIONS IN THE FUTURE TO HELP BEAUTIFY THE UPTOWN. MANY TRAFFIC BOXES DO WE HAVE? SORRY. 88990 THAT'S AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. FANTASTIC. 
          MR. STOYAN. NONE. IS THERE ANY DESIRE FOR ME TO GIVE MONTHLY MSM UPDATES? IF YOU WANT? I THINK IF IT APPLIES TO THE UPTOWN OR IF THERE'S AN EVENT OR SOMETHING. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT NOT AT THIS TIME. AND YEAH, JUST I DO APPRECIATE ALL CITIZEN COMMENTS. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE MAY NOT VOTE THE WAY THEY ALWAYS WANT, BUT WE TRY TO LISTEN AND FIND A MIDDLE GROUND. 
          SO HOPEFULLY IT COMES ACROSS THAT WAY. SO NOTHING ELSE. MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? SAME.
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