Jun 03, 2025 Planning Commission

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IN FRONT OF THE CAR OR TURN YOUR MICS ON? GOOD EVENING. TONIGHT IS TUESDAY, JUNE 3RD, 2025 AT

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HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MISS LAUB HERE, MR. ENGEL HERE, MR. FISHER HERE. MR. NICKERSON, PRESENT. MISS VERBIS HERE. MR. WOLFOWITZ IS EXCUSED. MR. PRESENT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MINUTES TO APPROVE.

FIRST ONE BEING THE APRIL 7TH, 2025 JOINT COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES. HAS EVERYONE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS TO ADD? SEEING NONE. MOTION FOR APPROVAL. MOTION. THANK YOU, MISS LAUB. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM

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MOTION. THANK YOU, MR. PURVIS. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE COME TO THE

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WE'LL MOVE ON TO REPORT OF THE ADMINISTRATION. AT THIS TIME. NONE AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. SO

[1. To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Development Plan application for a development known as the Boerger Woods Development located at Parcels with ID numbers of 2900300410000 and 4400010030000.]

4400010030000. IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? YEAH. IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS. YEAH. MY NAME IS DAVE WILPON. I'M WITH G2 PLANNING AND DESIGN.

WE ARE LOCATED IN COLUMBUS, OHIO, 720 EAST BROAD STREET, SUITE 200. 43215. THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT HERE TODAY AND BRING THIS PROJECT BEFORE YOU. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE REST OF THE DESIGN TEAM. WE GOT JUSTIN WOLLENBERG WITH TERRAIN EVOLUTION. HE IS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. WE HAVE EVERGREEN LAND COMPANY, ANDREW SHEPHERD AND WAYNE DUNHAM HERE REPRESENTING THAT THE DEVELOPER. AND WE CAN PROBABLY MOVE ON TO THE SITE CONTEXT. THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES. IT'S SITS IN BETWEEN STATE ROUTE 38 AND 36. IT'S APPROXIMATELY SOUTH OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. IT DOES LAND WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, AND IS LOCATED DIRECTLY WEST OF THE MARYSVILLE GOLF CLUB. THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. THE SITE IS ACCESSED BY ROAD TO THE NORTH. THERE'S TWO EXISTING TREE STANDS, ONE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE AND ONE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, WHICH IS FULLY INTENDED TO BE MAJORITY OF THOSE TREES PRESERVED. AS WE PRESENT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE'S ALSO A POND TO THE SOUTH THAT IS ALSO GOING TO BE PRESERVED, ENLARGED AND ENHANCED AND USED AS STORMWATER DETENTION AS WELL, WHICH WE CAN GET INTO WITH THE PLAN. THE SITE ITSELF IS PRIMARILY FARMLAND. THE NORTH SIDE ALONG BERGER ROAD IS ZONED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, AND THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THIS AREA TO BE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE OR SINGLE FAMILY

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THERE ARE LOTS FACING BERGER ROAD WHICH WILL BE REAR LOADED. BERGER ROAD WILL NOT HAVE DRIVEWAYS COMING OFF OF IT. THE ALLEY TO THE REAR OF THOSE OF THOSE LOTS WILL ALSO ACCESS THE LOTS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THAT AS WELL. THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED WITH TRADITIONAL GARAGE FRONTED DRIVEWAYS AND ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'S A TOTAL OF 190 UNITS ON THIS SITE. AGAIN, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 1.9 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS LESS THAN WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 33% OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED HERE. AND AGAIN, THAT IS CONTRIBUTED TO PRESERVING THOSE EXISTING TREE STANDS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER AND THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, AND THEN ALSO THE POND ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE. THIS IS OUR ILLUSTRATIVE MASTER PLAN. AGAIN IT HIGHLIGHTS THE TREE STANDS, THE PONDS, THE OPEN SPACE, THE DIVERSITY OF THE DIVERSITY OF LOTS. WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF LOTS, RANGING FROM 70 FOOT IN WIDTH ALL THE WAY UP TO 100FT. THE DEPTH OF THE LOTS RANGES FROM APPROXIMATELY 130 FOOT DEPTH, UP TO 150 FOOT DEPTH. WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG PEDESTRIAN NETWORK THAT INTERCONNECTS THE POND WITH THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WITH THE PUBLIC STREETS, WITH SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. WE HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE TREE LAWN, TREE LINED STREETS, AS WELL AS A TRAIL SYSTEM THROUGH THE EXISTING TREES. THIS IS OUR OPEN SPACE PLAN. AGAIN, IT HIGHLIGHTS THE 33%, OR APPROXIMATELY 33 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE. CENTERED IN THE SITE. WE HAVE THE RETENTION POND WITH AN EIGHT FOOT ASPHALT PATH CIRCULATING THAT POND, ALSO IN A CONNECTED WITH TRAIL SYSTEMS THROUGH THE EXISTING TREES. AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO POCKET PARKS LOCATED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE AND THEN ONE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE SITE. THAT OFFERS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FOR THE RESIDENTS. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST TO PRESERVE, IT'S FOR A MORE INTIMATE TYPE PARK SETTING. THE SITE IS INTERCONNECTED WITH THE SIDEWALK SYSTEMS AND ALSO DIRECTLY DIRECT ACCESS TO THE FRONT PORCHES OF EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT OF EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 800 LINEAR FEET AWAY FROM A PRESERVED AREA OR A PARK SYSTEM WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS OUR TREE REPLACEMENT DIAGRAM. SO WE WILL BE REMOVING SOME TREES AS WE DEVELOP LOTS. NUMBER 138 THROUGH 141 THERE'S A HANDFUL OF TREES, EXISTING TREES THAT WE WILL BE REMOVING AND WE WILL BE REPLACING THEM PER YOUR TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER HANDFUL OF TREES THAT LIE WITHIN THE SETBACKS OF THESE LOTS. WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THOSE TREES BE PRESERVED. HOWEVER, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE LOTS, WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF THOSE TREES WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED OR NOT. SO AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ACTUAL HOMES, THE BUILDER WILL BE REPLACING THOSE TREES IF THEY ARE LOST PER CODE. THIS IS OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE HAVE STREET TREES APPROXIMATELY 40FT ON CENTER WITHIN A LARGE TREE LAWN, SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. AGAIN, WE HAVE THE TWO EXISTING TREE STANDS PRESERVED, AS WELL AS SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS TO ALL OF THESE OPEN SPACES. WE ALSO HAVE A BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE SITE. WE ARE ALSO INDICATING CLUSTER

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WE GOT A MASONRY COLUMN WITH A MULTI POST YARD ARM. WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS SHOWING THE VARIETY OF OPTIONS AS FAR AS THE SHAPE OF THE SIGN, BUT THE GENERAL SIZE OF THE SIGN IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A LARGE ENLARGEMENTS OF THE MAIL KIOSK AREAS. SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE SUPPLEMENTARY LANDSCAPE SURROUNDING THE AREAS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW TEMPORARY PARKING. THESE ARE SOME SKETCHES OF WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR THE ARCHITECTURE. THESE ARE SEMI CLUSTER SEMI-CUSTOM HOMES. SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ELEVATIONS WILL LOOK LIKE. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. WE WANT TRADITIONAL ELEVATIONS, FRONT PORCHES THAT ENGAGE THE STREET, ENGAGE THE PUBLIC REALM. WE ALSO USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. THESE SIX ELEVATIONS WERE DEVELOPED OFF OF ONE FLOOR PLAN. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND SAYING THAT WE WANT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ELEVATIONS BUT STILL HAVE THAT YOU CAN STILL HAVE THAT SAME FLOOR PLAN.

SO THE SEMI-CUSTOM NATURE OF THIS WILL ALLOW THE HOUSES TO HAVE THEIR INDIVIDUAL IDENTITY.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE A COOKIE CUTTER DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN LASTLY THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE FLOOR PLANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. IN ADDITION TO THIS WE WILL HAVE SOME PRETTY STRICT DEED RESTRICTIONS ON EACH EACH SITE. SO THE ARCHITECTURE WILL BE CONTROLLED AND ALSO HAS TO BE UNAPPROVED THROUGH AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. THAT IS ALSO HIGHLIGHTED IN DEVELOPMENT TEXT. WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE ON TO KIND OF THE ENGINEERING SIDE, WHICH IS OUT OF MY EXPERTISE, SO I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR EXPLAIN THINGS FURTHER. BUT UNTIL THEN, I'LL KIND OF HAND IT OVER TO JUSTIN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. JUSTIN WALLENBERG, TERRAIN EVOLUTION, 720 EAST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO. A COUPLE OF THINGS I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE AND THIS THIS DETAIL RIGHT HERE ACTUALLY HAS A SMALL ERROR IN IT. IT SAYS 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WHEN IT SHOULD BE A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH THE DETAIL ACTUALLY SHOWS. BUT THE TITLE DOESN'T. THE COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT WE GOT WERE PERTAINING TO THE UTILITIES. IF WE GO TO THE FOURTH PAGE, I THINK PAST THIS ONE, THOSE TWO PAGES THAT YOU JUST SAW ARE REALLY JUST MORE DETAIL, MORE IN DEPTH OF THE, YOU KNOW, ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE EXACT DIMENSIONS OF EACH LOT, OR AT LEAST TO THE NEAREST FOOT. SO WITH THE THIS IS THE UTILITY PLAN. SO SHOWING WHERE WE

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IT'S SLIGHTLY OVERSIZE TO HANDLE THE STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF THE SITE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP, AND I'M SURE THAT THE PUBLIC WILL BE INTERESTED IN, IS THE GOLF COURSE TO THE WEST DRAINS ONTO THE SITE. SO WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO PICK UP THAT STORMWATER, CONVEY IT THROUGH OUR STORM SYSTEM AND THEN THROUGH THE POND, AND THEN DISCHARGE FROM THE SITE AS IT NATURALLY DOES. BUT THE STORM SYSTEM WILL BE DESIGNED TO CONVEY THAT FLOW. AND THEN FLOOD ROUTING ALSO WILL BE DESIGNED TO CONVEY THAT FLOW. IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE STORM SYSTEM ITSELF, TO CONVEY IT AS IT NATURALLY DOES, SO WE WON'T BE BLOCKING ANY DRAINAGE, WE'LL BE COLLECTING IT AND CONVEYING IT AS WE NEED TO. SANITARY SEWER WAS ALSO A CONCERN FOR THE ENGINEER'S OFFICE. WE'RE BE ACCESSING THE TEN INCH SANITARY SEWER THAT'S ALONG BERGER ROAD. THE QUESTION WAS, WILL IT DOES IT HAVE ENOUGH DEPTH AND CAPACITY TO HANDLE THE SEWAGE FLOWS FROM THE SITE? THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE, THE SOUTHERN WESTERN AND THE SOUTHERN CUL DE SAC WILL NEED A LITTLE BIT OF FILL IN ORDER TO DO THAT, BUT THEY'LL AND POTENTIALLY SOME PUMPS IN THE BASEMENTS IN ORDER TO CONVEY ANY BASEMENT FLOW. BUT ALL FIRST FLOOR AND ABOVE WILL DRAIN GRAVITY. SO AS FAR AS THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE IS CONCERNED, IT'S ALL GRAVITY FLOW, AND THERE'S CAPACITY WITHIN THE EXISTING SYSTEM. AND WE'LL BE SHOWING THAT TO THE ENGINEER'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, TO THEIR SATISFACTION. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT FROM AN ENGINEERING SIDE. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE OR YOU READY FOR QUESTIONS? ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'VE GOT A FEW. AND THEN. WELL, I'VE GOT A FEW. CAN YOU GO FIRST? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SORRY. SO AS FAR AS THE ELEVATIONS GO, ALL THOSE WERE FRONT LOADED GARAGES. NOW WITH THE INTENT BE SAME ELEVATION, JUST THE GARAGE DOORS ON THE BACK SIDE. OR DO YOU HAVE ANY ELEVATIONS WITH REAR LOAD GARAGES? I UNDERSTAND THIS IS JUST ONE FLOOR PLAN, BUT I CURRENTLY DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED. AND I'M GOING TO YIELD THAT OVER TO THE DEVELOPER THAT'S GOT THAT UNDER CONTROL. ANDREW SHEPHERD, 62, 95 COSGROVE ROAD, DUBLIN, OHIO. IT'LL BE KIND OF THE SAME STYLISTIC APPROACH, EVERYTHING JUST WITH REAR LOAD. WE THINK THAT THOSE SHOULD ACTUALLY EVEN BE BETTER ESTHETICALLY FROM BURGER ROAD TO JUST NOT HAVE A GARAGE AT ALL. BUT YEAH, IT'LL BE THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. OKAY, THEN, YOU KNOW, A HUGE FAN OF CUL DE SACS, BUT UNDERSTAND YOU GOT TO HAVE THEM. SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION OR IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF PAVEMENT. IS IT BIG ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD PUT AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT? SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT? BUT AS IT'S CURRENTLY DRAWN, IT'S NOT. AND THEN TO PASS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S THERE IN ORDER TO GET THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR TRUCKS TURNED AROUND, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ENLARGED IN ORDER TO HAVE THE ISLAND. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT ASK THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE I WOULD ENCOURAGE IT. I GUESS I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL SEVEN PEOPLE OR SIX TONIGHT, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I KNOW IT WILL PROBABLY PUSH, YOU KNOW, LOTS. 119 TO 122 TOWARDS THE TREE STAND, WHICH IS ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT IF IT'S ABLE TO BE DONE, GREAT. IF NOT, NO PROBLEM. OKAY. READING THE TEXT. SO ACCESSORY USES AND STRUCTURES AND TALKED ABOUT GAZEBOS AND SHELTERS. I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE THAT MENTIONED SHEDS OR SHEDS CAN BE PERMITTED. BUT IT IS. ARE YOU. I'M I'M JUST WONDERING. I MEAN, THERE'S NO TEXT COVERING SHEDS. WHICH TEXT ARE YOU. BECAUSE WE GOT ASKED ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE LIST. SO WHICH ONE WERE YOU REFERRING TO? OBVIOUSLY SHEDS WON'T BE ALLOWED IN OPEN SPACE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. I DIDN'T KNOW. IN YARDS. OKAY.

YARDS ARE PERMITTED AND ACCESSORY USES. AND THEN THERE'S WHICH IS A UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. SO THE FIRST PAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. WE DON'T COVER SHEDS OKAY. I'M SORRY. WHAT'S THIS. SHEDS ARE NOT COVERED ON THE DEVELOPMENT TEXT. AND THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU COVERED

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SO, SO YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE WITH RIDING MOWERS AND IS THAT GOING TO TAKE UP A GARAGE SPACE THEN, YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE MORE CARS YOU KNOW PARKED OUTSIDE. SO I THINK SHEDS ARE NICE. I THINK IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE HERE. BUT YOU KNOW BUT I'M NOT A DEVELOPER. SO ESPECIALLY WITH THE BIGGER LOTS. YES. THAT'S. YEAH. AND AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IF THERE'S SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT TEXT, THEY CAN INCLUDE THAT AS A, AS A CONDITION OF THAT APPROVAL. AND YOUR TEAM CAN GO BACK AND ADD THAT IN. AND THEN LAST QUESTION I HAD IS THERE GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK ALONG WALKER ROAD? I KNOW THERE'S NOT DRIVEWAYS OR YOU KNOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE SHOWN. OKAY. WELL I DON'T THINK IT GOT HIGHLIGHTED IN THE EXHIBITS, BUT WE HAVE ONE SHOWING AN EIGHT FOOT PATH THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE ENGINEER'S OFFICE. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, I KNOW IT PROBABLY WON'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING ON EITHER SIDE, BUT.

WELL, PEOPLE WALK ON THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME. SO ANY OPPORTUNITY OTHER THAN THE ENTRANCES OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TO CONNECT THOSE TWO AND IT'S, IT'S SHOWN WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT KIND OF GETS HIDDEN ON THIS PLAN. BUT YEAH, IT'S RIGHT OVER TOP OF THE SANITARY RIGHT THERE. OKAY.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE FOUR THINGS I HAD. PAGE I HAVE A LIST FOR THE TREE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD SOME UNKNOWN TREES THAT MIGHT BE TAKEN OUT. MIGHT NOT. HAVE YOU ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR THOSE BEING TAKEN OUT IN YOUR TREE PLAN? OR IF THE. IF NOT, WHERE WOULD YOU HAD A LOT OF TREES ON YOUR TREE PLAN? SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY. YEAH. IF YOU HAD AN IDEA OF WHERE THEY WOULD BE GOING. YEAH. I'M SORRY, I CAN CLARIFY THAT. SO YEAH, WE DO HAVE THE TREES REPLACED THAT ARE WITHIN THE BUILDABLE ZONES OF THE LOTS. AND THOSE TREES ARE REPLACED THROUGHOUT THE OPEN SPACE AND THEY DO COMPLY WITH CODE. RIGHT. THE, THE TREES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE SETBACK. THAT'S THE UNKNOWN. CAN WE PRESERVE THOSE TREES. AND WE FEEL IT'S BEST PRACTICES SAY YES. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THOSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF CONSTRUCTION, THERE MIGHT BE NEEDS TO REMOVE THOSE WE DON'T KNOW. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING IN THE EVENT THAT THESE TREES ARE LOST DURING CONSTRUCTION, IT WILL BE THE BUILDERS RESPONSIBILITY TO REPLACE THOSE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND THEN. THE KIND OF BACK ON THE BERGER ROAD HOMES, THE ONES FACING THE ROAD. IS IT JUST THE ONES THAT ARE FACING BERGER ROAD THAT ARE GETTING REAR LOADED GARAGES, OR IS THAT ALI, THAT WHOLE ALLEY GETTING REAR LOADED. AND EVERYBODY WILL BE THAT. THAT ALLEY WILL SERVE THE HOUSES TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. BUT THE REMAINDER OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE A TRADITIONAL ACCESS.

OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU GO BACK, JEFF, CAN YOU GO BACK TO PAGE FOUR? ON THE. MAYBE I MISSED IT.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT POND THAT'S THERE. YES. IT'S DID YOU SAY TO THE SOUTH THIS IT'S THIS ONE. IT'S CURRENTLY RIGHT HERE. SO YOU GUYS ARE JUST EXPANDING IT TO RESHAPING IT. RESHAPING IT. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS THE WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON IT ABOUT THE WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY COMING FROM THE GOLF COURSE AND HOW YOU GUYS WILL BE ABSORBING IT. I DIDN'T SEE CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PLAN WHERE IT HAD THEIR STORM WATER? SO HOW ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO BE CATCHING IT? ARE YOU GOING TO BE CATCHING IT FROM THAT. THE GREEN. YES. OUTLETS OR INLETS RIGHT THERE AT THE GOLF COURSE.

YES. SO OUR THE STORM SYSTEM HASN'T BEEN FULLY DESIGNED. BUT RIGHT NOW THAT GREEN LINE THAT YOU SEE GOING OVER TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE, THAT WILL BE A STORM LINE THAT WE WILL CATCH THAT I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE, PROBABLY THREE LOTS DOWN AS WELL. BUT COMING, YOU KNOW, TYING INTO THOSE TWO AND LOTS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE ON THE STREET AT THE INTERSECTION.

BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE I, THAT'S, I JUST SAW ONE AND I THAT WAS IT'S GOING TO BE A DECENT SIZED PIPE RIGHT. YEAH. IT'LL IT'LL BE WITHIN AN

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LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WE'RE COLLECTING WHAT LITTLE BIT DOES COME ONTO US. AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY TO PICK UP THE REAR OF THOSE LOTS AS WELL, BUT SHOULDN'T BE BLOCKING ANY DRAINAGE. WE OBVIOUSLY STRIVE NOT TO DO THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOUR POINT IS, AND WE PLAN TO COLLECT ALL THE DRAINS ONTO US AND PASS IT THROUGH. THAT'S ALL I HAD. NO, MISTER. GOT SOME QUESTIONS? YES. COULD YOU GO TO THE UPDATED PLOT? WITH THE LOTS NUMBERED? LET'S START AT THE CUL DE SAC. ALL RIGHT, SO I LIKE MIKE'S. I THE CUL DE SAC. YES, WE UNDERSTAND IT SERVES A PURPOSE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS LESS ASPHALT AND MORE, YOU KNOW, GREEN. SO YOU SAID YOU WOULD LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU COULD DO TO WIDEN THAT AND PUT AN ISLAND ON IT. YOU COULD.

CHANGE LOT 124 TO GO NORTH AND SOUTH AND WIDEN. 168, 167 AND 124, AND THEN YOU COULD TURN THE ROAD TO CURVE IN TOWARDS 122, 120 AND 119 AND BACK THOSE UP MORE AND THEN LOOP IT BACK AND CAUSE AN ISLAND. BUT I THERE IS AN EASY OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS. IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN OVER MAYBE A SCREEN. I WAS LIKE, DRAW A PICTURE, PLEASE. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WE CAN AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. BUT THE ONLY DRAWBACK TO THAT IS IT WILL ENCROACH FURTHER INTO THE LARGE TREES. I UNDERSTAND I DID THE MATH WITH YOUR GREEN SPACE. YOU'RE STILL FINE. OH, I TOTALLY AGREE. WE ARE WELL OVER THE REQUIRED GREEN SPACE. AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT ELIMINATE SOME TREES, BUT IT'S WORTH, I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO. AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT WHAT IMPACT THAT HAS TO ADDITIONAL TREES.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN WITH TRYING TO HOLD ON TO IT. ALL RIGHT. ON LOT 56 AND 57 YOU HAVE A WALKING TRAIL THERE BUT LESS THAN FOUR LOTS AWAY. YOU HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE TO THE WALKING TRAIL AND THEN THREE LOTS AWAY. YOU HAVE ANOTHER. WHY ARE WHY ARE THOSE SO TIGHT TO THE POND? WHY WOULDN'T YOU WIDEN 56 AND 57 AND JUST HAVE THE ACCESS BETWEEN 60 AND 89? AS FAR AS ELIMINATING THE ACCESS? YES. NOT SURE WHY. I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. IT'S KIND OF A PERSONAL PREFERENCE, BUT THE IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ACCESS POINT THAT YOU SEE LOT 6T 89 IS SERVING THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH, WHEREAS THE ACCESS POINT BETWEEN 57 AND 56 IS INTENDED TO SERVE 46 THROUGH 35. I YEAH, MY NEXT POINT WAS WHY WOULDN'T WE ADD IT BETWEEN 49 AND 50? FOR, FOR OR ANY OF THOSE? OR, YOU KNOW, THE SHORTEST PATH WOULD BE 51 AND 52 TO THE POCKET PARK, RIGHT? WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE WE WANT TO LOCATE THAT AND HOW WE WANT THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT. ALL RIGHT. COULD YOU GO UP TO LOT 64, JEFF, DID YOU JUST GO STRAIGHT NORTH? LOT 64 IS THE ODDEST LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW YOU HAVE A COUPLE OTHER ODD LOTS THAT YOU TURN INTO GREEN SPACE AT THE TOP OF THE 70S. COULD YOU COULD YOU GO UP JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE? THOSE TWO LOTS, YOU KNOW, YOU TURN INTO A LITTLE GREEN SPACE. WHAT WERE THE THOUGHTS OF TURNING 65 OVER TO 64 AND DOING THE SAME TYPE OF GREEN SPACE CAP THERE ON ON THAT ISLAND? I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT. I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING A NICE LARGE

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GOTCHA. AND I THINK THAT'S THE LAST THING I HAVE OTHER THAN THE SIDEWALK CONNECTING ON BOGER, IS IT GOING TO CONNECT TO A WALKING PATH ANYWHERE INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT? DOES THAT SIDEWALK CONNECT TO THE WALKING TRAIL INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT? IT DOES NOT AT THIS POINT. IT JUST CONNECTS TO THE INTERNAL SIDEWALK SYSTEM. AND LOOKING AT IT, I DON'T SEE A LOGICAL WAY TO CONNECT IT. I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU THOUGHT IT'S FINE. I DON'T SEE A LOGICAL WAY. IT MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITY ALONG LOT 141 THERE TO GET TO THE OPEN SPACE. AND THEN AS FAR AS TO THE PRIMITIVE PATH, THAT WOULD BE A LOCATION THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO BECAUSE 141 IS, IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER, COULD POTENTIALLY CONNECT PRIMITIVE PATH TO THE REAR, AND THEN THAT WOULD CONNECT YOU INTO THAT LARGER TREE STAND THERE. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. MR. FISHER, CAN YOU DEFINE A PRIMITIVE TRAIL, OR IS THIS JUST CLEARED? EARTH? ARE YOU DOING GRAVEL PAVEMENT? THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. YEAH, IT'S A MORE OF A MULTIPATH PATH. OKAY. AND THEN IS THE HOA RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE? YES. YES OKAY. ANY SAFETY SECURITY LIGHTING THROUGH THE WOODED AREA. WITHIN THE WOODED AREA? NO. I'M ASSUMING YOU WON'T BE CLEARING ANY TREES ALONG THE ALONG THIS PATH AS WELL. THE TRAILS OR THE ALIGNMENT THAT YOU SEE IS MORE CONCEPTUAL. IT WOULD BE VERY SELECTIVE. YOU KNOW HOW WE GO THROUGH THERE TRYING TO NOT CLEAR, YOU KNOW, LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF CLEARING. I CAN'T SAY THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY CLEARING. OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO GET THE PATH END, BUT THERE WILL BE SELECTIVE CLEARING. YEAH. SO WILL THE MULCH PATH CONNECT TO THE ROAD? YEAH. I'M LOOKING AT BETWEEN 122 123 168 169. YOU SHOW THAT ALL IS PRIMITIVE WOOD. IT. WE PLAN ON TAKING THE MULCH ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET. OR WOULD WOULD YOU PAVE CLOSER TO THE WOODED AREA, THE PLAINTIFFS TO BRING THE MULCH ALL THE WAY UP TO THE OR THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK THAT'S THERE PROBABLY REQUIRE SOME BANDING THERE TO KEEP IT IN TIGHT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT THERE. GOOD FOR NOW. MR. FERGUSON, JUST JUST TO ECHO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS SAYING, APPRECIATE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND ON THE GREEN SPACE, BUT IT IS ALL IN THE SAME COUPLE PLACES. LOVE WHAT YOU DID WITH THE TWO LOTS AT THE TOP OF 79 AND 80. THAT WAS HELPED BREAK THAT UP SOME. I ALSO AGREE THAT I THINK WE COULD DO THAT AT LEAST ONE OTHER PLACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP A PREMIUM LOT LIKE 64, THAT IS A LARGE ROUNDED CORNER LOT. EVEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE LOT 107, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A STRIP, BUT IT'S KIND OF WOULD BE A T DEAD END, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE THE STREET IS. SO IT JUST WOULD HAVE A LITTLE NICER ESTHETIC AND THEN GIVE A LITTLE PREMIUM, YOU KNOW, PREMIUM STATUS TO 106, 108 BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A LARGER SIDE LOTS SIMILAR. YOU KNOW YOU COULD TAKE 25 AND MAKE IT GREEN SPACE. YOU COULD MAKE 26 WIDER BECAUSE OF THAT. AND THEN GIVE PREMIUM STATUS TO 26 AND 24 FOR HAVING LARGE SIDE LOTS. I JUST I AGREE

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THE CUL DE SAC, WE CAN EVALUATE THAT CUL DE SAC. OR AGAIN, IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT COMING BACK, IF THERE IS A MAJOR ADJUSTMENT TO THOSE LOTS THAT COULD COME BACK FOR REVIEW.

ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT COME UP DURING DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. SO FOR NOW WE WILL OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. AND THEN ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. WE ASK THAT YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES NOW UNFORTUNATELY THE FORMAT IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS WE WILL ALL WRITE THEM DOWN BEST WE CAN KIND OF SUMMARIZE THEM.

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

WEST SIDE OF THAT, THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND OUR LAND. YEAH. YEAH, I, I THINK WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. WE'LL LET THEM ANSWER AT THE END OF THE CITIZEN COMMENTS JUST TO VERIFY. BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE NEW TREES ARE SHOWING UP. YEAH,

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THEIR NEIGHBORS TIMBER TRAILS AGAIN, LARGE LOTS, NICE HOUSES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT HICKORY GATE, FAIRLY LARGE LOTS, NICE HOUSES. AND WHEN YOU REMEMBER, PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, A YEAR, MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO, THE CITY. A DEVELOPER, BROUGHT A PLAN TO THE CITY TO DEVELOP 645 ACRES FROM 245 OVER TO WHERE SKYVIEW SITS NOW. THAT WENT IN FRONT OF THE THOSE WHO LIVED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS TO VOTE ON IT WAS VOTED DOWN. NOBODY WANTED A LARGE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. YOU LOOK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF LARGE DEVELOPMENTS IN MARYSVILLE AS NOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT MILL VALLEY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SKY VIEW, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT CREPT IN PAST THAT CITY VOTE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT IT DID. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT JUST OFF OF ROUTE 38 TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND THE HERITAGE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, AGAIN, HIGH DENSITY HOUSES, HAVE YOU ASKED THE NEIGHBORS AND THOSE LIVING AROUND YOU, ARE THEY ENCOURAGED? ARE THEY WHAT ARE THEIR THOUGHTS ON YOUR DEVELOPMENT? AS I UNDERSTOOD, YOU WERE PLANNING 109 HOUSES. PARDON? 190, 190. THAT'S OKAY. EVEN MORE I WAS MAYBE I WAS BEING OPTIMISTIC. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, NICE HOUSES ON AN ACRE OF LAND OR CLOSE TO AN ACRE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY

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SO, YOU KNOW, MY COMMENT IS, LET'S KIND OF KEEP WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH.

TWO SECONDS. YOU TIMED IT VERY WELL. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. YES SIR. I THINK WHICHEVER WORKS. BOTH. MIKE. CORRECT. YEAH. MY NAME IS PAUL SLAUGHTER. MY WIFE AND I OWN THE GOLF COURSE. SO AGAIN, OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH ANY BUILDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IF IN REFERENCE TO MR. THORNBERG AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BERGER ROAD, THE. WHAT IS THAT? THE OTHER ONE THAT'S THERE ON 38 BERGER ROAD, THE NEW ONE THAT THEY BUILT THERE, THAT NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S THE IT'S WHAT IS IT, EWING MEADOWS OKAY, NOT EWING. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. WHERE THE OTHER THE OTHER HIGH END HOMES THAT ARE BACK THERE. RIGHT. SO THE GOLF COURSE WAS BUILT IN 32 OR. YEAH, 32. SO WE'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER, RIGHT. AND ALL THE WATER THAT COMES FROM APPROXIMATELY EVERYWHERE AROUND THERE COMES TO US. SO THOSE ALL THOSE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AND EVERYTHING, EVERY TIME THAT WE GET TWO INCHES OF RAIN, WE GET SWAMPED. NUMBER 12 ON OUR GOLF COURSE GETS WIPED OUT. AND I GOT FISH IN MY FAIRWAY EVERY TIME WE GET A BIG, BIG RAIN. SO MY BIGGEST THING IS, IS THAT MARYSVILLE'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF VERY HOLD ON TO EVERYTHING. WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF GROWTH IN OF RECENTLY. WE'VE DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO START GROWING. AND THAT'S GREAT, RIGHT? AS A BUSINESS OWNER IN THIS TOWN, I, I THINK IT'S GREAT. BRING MORE PEOPLE IN. RIGHT. BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS GOT TO BE THERE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS WITHOUT TURNING IT INTO ANOTHER SWAMP OR, YOU KNOW, WHATNOT. WE'RE WE'RE ALL ABOUT GROWTH, RIGHT? GOLF COURSE. WE ALL LOVE GROWTH. I MEAN, WE'RE WE LOVE THE IDEA OF THEM PUTTING 190 HOMES IN RIGHT AGAINST US. THAT'S PERFECT. DRIVES MY LAND VALUE UP. YOU KNOW? SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT AGAINST IT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER RIGHT. TIMBER TRAILS, THEY FLOOD US OUT. YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE OTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, IT ALL COMES TO US. AND NOBODY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO STICK, YOU KNOW, THIS MUCH THROUGH THIS MUCH PIPE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL. SO THAT'S ALL MY THING IS, IS TO MAKING SURE THAT WE THAT WHOLE AREA RIGHT THERE HAS WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH IT BECAUSE IT'S ALL ON THAT PROPERTY. AND THAT WHOLE WATERWAY NEEDS WIPED OUT. IT'S ATROCIOUS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH WATER. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SWAMPED A LOT. WHERE WE ARE IS BECAUSE THE WATERWAY THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW IS, IS TERRIBLE. SO THAT'S THAT'S OUR THING IS, IS THAT IF THEY IF THE HOUSES GET BUILT AND THAT WATERWAY DOESN'T GET FIXED AND WE'RE JUST MIGHT AS WELL START SKIING, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF PLAYING GOLF. SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR BIGGEST THING. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS ADDRESSED AND SO FORTH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. MY NAME IS EVERYBODY SAYING BURGER BURGER BURGER. MY NAME IS WILLIAM BURGER. AND I OWN THE FARM ON BURGER ROAD. AND THAT'S MY WIFE SHARON BY THE WAY. ANYWAY FARM'S BEEN IN OUR

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MAYBE THAT'S KIND OF. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SAY THAT ANYMORE. RASH. YOU KNOW, ALL THAT OAK WOODS IS IN A BAD, BAD OPTION. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHY IT WAS CALLED BURGER ROAD? FROM HER ROAD? YEAH. WHY WAS IT CALLED BURGER ROAD? I CAN FAMILY LORE IS MY GRANDPA WAS BORN IN 1887, AND HIS FATHER SPENT TWO WINTERS. THIS IS OVER 125 YEARS AGO, USING HORSES AND WAGONS TO HAUL STONE FROM THE QUARRY TO PAVE WITH STONE. WHAT BECAME BURGER. RIGHT. SO IN HONOR OF THAT, THEY NAMED IT BURGER ROAD. I DON'T THINK MY FAMILY WANTS THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE CALLED BURGER WOODS. I HAVE FIVE OLDER SISTERS, SO I DON'T THINK THEY'D BE REAL HAPPY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. HONEY, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING I SAID OAKWOODS OAKWOODS. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES ARE YOU'RE THE DEVELOPERS? YES. OKAY, WELL, REALLY BRING IT UP WITH US. YOU DO THAT FOR US AGAIN. WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE WATER, TOO. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT JUST THE NAME. PUT YOURSELF IN MY SHOES. IF YOU HAD A FARM NEXT TO THIS, IT WAS YOUR LAST NAME WAS VERBOSE OR FISHER. WOULD YOU WANT IT TO BE CALLED VERBOSE OR VERBOSE? WOODS OR FISHER WOODS OR, YOU KNOW, PUT PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. YEP. ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME BEING CALLED NGC WOODS IF YOU WANT. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS. SO IF YOU COULD, YOU COME BACK UP TO THE PODIUM AND WE'LL PEPPER YOU WITH QUESTIONS AND TRY TO ADDRESS MOST OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD. SO FIRST ITEM WAS THE EXISTING TREES ALONG THAT NORTHWEST CORNER. LOTS ONE THROUGH 22 ISH. PLAN FOR THOSE TREES I UNDERSTAND MAYBE YOU MAYBE CIVIL MAYBE, BUT WHAT'S THE PLAN IS TO KEEP THEM. KEEP KEEP THE TREES. WE HAVEN'T FINISHED ALL THE ENGINEERING. YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A STORM SEWER THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE. SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THEM COULD BE TAKEN OUT. BUT OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO TRY AND KEEP THEM. OKAY. INTENT IS TO KEEP ALL THE TREES AS POSSIBLE, AS POSSIBLE, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

OKAY. I KNOW IT WAS TOUCHED ON, BUT IF YOU TALK ABOUT STORMWATER AND YOUR REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO ALLEVIATE EXISTING ISSUES, WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE EXISTING ISSUES, OBVIOUSLY, BUT OUR, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T BE JUST A FARM DITCH ANYMORE WITH A VERY SHALLOW SLOPE. I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU'RE MAYBE HAVING SOME ISSUES. NOT SURE, BUT IT WILL BE PIPED UP WITH, YOU KNOW IT, IT'LL BE A FASTER CONVEYANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE POND THAN WHAT IS THERE. NOW IS ALL I CAN REALLY SAY. IT WILL BE SIZED TO HANDLE THE FLOW THAT COMES TO THAT POINT. WHEN WE I ARE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS ANY WATER THAT COMES ONTO YOUR PROPERTY. THAT IS CORRECT. WE ARE REQUIRED TO CONVEY THAT WATER THROUGH OUR SITE. WE CAN'T BLOCK IT SOUNDS LIKE I MEAN, THE LINE THAT'S GOING OVER THE GOLF COURSE IS THAT IN ADDITION OR ARE YOU TAKING IN MORE WATER NATURALLY FLOWS TOWARDS US. I MEAN, IT'S NOT. OKAY. SO THE WATER IS FROM YOUR PROPERTY HEAD IN THAT DIRECTION AND THEN YOUR KNOW THAT THE, THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY DRAINS TOWARDS US. YES. OKAY. YES. OKAY. YES. AND YOU ARE INSTEAD OF LETTING IT RUN ON

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AND I GUESS AS FAR AS CAN WE EVEN JUST SAY YOU WILL COME UP WITH ANOTHER NAME? YES. BUT THE LLC IS ALREADY MADE. SO THAT'S SORT OF THE WEIRD PART. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. THE NAME ON THE FRONT SURELY COULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT YEAH, OKAY, WE'LL WORK TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE THINGS THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE AUGER OR. YEAH, I GUESS MARYSVILLE GOLF CLUB, PERHAPS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE IT WAS ADDRESSED EARLIER. OR AT LEAST I HEARD IT. THE BIG OAK TREE THAT THAT IS THE ONE THAT'S. YEAH. YEAH. USED TO LOT 190. YEAH. YEAH. IN FACT I THINK FROM THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS, IT CHANGED SO THAT YOU DO SAVE THAT TREE. WE HAD A WE HAD THE STREET CAME RIGHT BY THERE. IF THAT HAD HAPPENED THAT TREE WOULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED. YEAH.

AND WE'VE PUT WE HAD JOSEPH TREE COME OUT TO DO SOME TREE CARE AND TREATMENT ON IT SO THAT IT STAYS HEALTHIER. OKAY. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO ONE OTHER THING THAT WAS SAID, BUT NOT SO MUCH TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS AND ASKING THE NEIGHBORS, I MEAN THAT THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THESE FORUMS, BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME DEVELOPER CAME, AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS THE SAME COMPANY OR NOT, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 2021. THEY WERE SMALLER LOTS AND, YOU KNOW, TOOK THAT FEEDBACK. AND NOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY COULD BUILD WHAT THE MINIMUM IS A 50 FOOT 55 FOOT LOTS COULD TECHNICALLY THEY COULD GO EVEN SMALLER, YOU KNOW. AND THESE THE SMALLEST ONES ARE 70 GOING UP TO 100. SO I MEAN, THOSE LOT SIZES WERE ENLARGED BASED ON COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. THE NEIGHBORS. SO WE DO TAKE THAT FEEDBACK I UNDERSTAND. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S IT THERE'S A BACK AND FORTH I GUESS UNLIKE CITIZEN COMMENTS BEING CLOSED. SO OKAY. DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I MISSED THAT YOU WROTE DOWN? YOU HAD THEM ALL. WHAT'S THIS? YOU HIT THEM ALL.

ALL RIGHT, OKAY WITH THAT? HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS COME UP HEARING. ACTUALLY YES I HAVE ONE. THE ENTRANCE BETWEEN 9 AND 141. I DRIVE ON BERGER QUITE A BIT AND THAT'S A PRETTY SHARP CURVE. SO WILL IT BE JUST A, I'M GUESSING A STOP SIGN JUST COMING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT.

THAT THE PEOPLE COMING IN, GOING DOWN, BERGER COULD THEORETICALLY FLY, FLY INTO IT. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT SAYS 35, BUT I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW IT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO BRING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEERING OFFICE. THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS. OBVIOUSLY, I'D LIKE TO RECONFIGURE THAT TO REALLY BE IF THEY'RE OPEN TO IT. I KNOW KYLE'S NOT HERE TO DISCUSS IT, BUT MAYBE A THREE WAY STOP BECAUSE NO, THEY SHOULD HEADING SOUTH. THEY SHOULD FLY, RIGHT? YEAH. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT IS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS FOR THOSE HEADING, YOU KNOW, EASTBOUND TO MAKE THAT TURN. SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST A YIELD SHOWING ON THAT. THINK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. SO THEY SHOULDN'T COME RIGHT THROUGH BECAUSE THEY WOULD THEN BE IN VIOLATION. RIGHT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL DEFINITELY BE BRINGING UP WITH WITH KYLE AND WITH HIS STAFF ABOUT MAYBE RECONFIGURING THAT TO BE A MUCH SAFER. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU COULD MOVE IT EITHER, BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE A TURN AND ANOTHER TURN THAT WOULDN'T REALLY WORK VERY WELL. SO IT KIND OF HAS TO BE THERE. SO IT'S IT HAS TO BE THERE. BUT IT DEFINITELY COULD BE RECONFIGURED AND THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO BERGER AS WELL. UNDERSTOOD. NO TURN LANES AREN'T WARRANTED. BUT YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT UP TO THE CITY STANDARD RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, AS A TWO LANE ROAD. YEAH. OKAY. IS OUR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON BERGER INCLUDED IN THIS OR. NO. THEY HAVE TO GET A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY

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AND YOU'RE KIND OF CLOSE TO THAT POND AREA. THAT ACCESSIBILITY. THERE WAS ALSO KIND OF WHY I SUGGESTED 107 ORIGINALLY. WE DO HAVE A BLANK SPOT LIKE THAT IN MILL VALLEY, WHERE IT FEELS LIKE IT WAS JUST A SKIPPED OVER LOT, BUT IT'S INTENTIONAL. WELL, WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE LIKE TAKEN 64, MAKE A LOT THERE. AND THEN THE REST OF THAT HALF OF THE LOT BE A GREEN SPACE. I MEAN IT'S NOT AS BIG BUT IT'S STILL A GREEN SPACE AND ANOTHER LOT. YOU'RE NOT LOSING A LOT BUT YOU'RE JUST DOWNSIZING A LOT AND STILL GETTING THE GREEN SPACE. BUT PEOPLE OPEN TO THAT. OR IS THAT NOT ENOUGH GREEN SPACE? HIS SUGGESTION WAS SPLITTING 64 IN HALF AND MAKING 65 THE GREEN SPACE. OH WELL, WHAT I THINK WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW IS WHAT AREA? NOT NOT EXACTLY. I THINK THAT SORRY. KIND OF WELL YES. FOR ME. YEAH. MY BAD. SOMEWHERE IN THOSE TEN BLOCKS, LET'S SAY YOU ASHLEY OR JEFF. LET'S SEE. ALSO KIND OF LOOKING AT THE 125 THROUGH 131 AND THEN LIKE THAT LIKE THAT TO THAT 96 TO 100. IT'S LIKE THE 104 TO 114. THAT CENTRAL PORTION THERE IS THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE THREE 333 3300 RULE. YEAH, YEAH. WHAT ABOUT. OH NEVER MIND. WE'RE NOT DOING PARKING LOTS. SORRY. SO LET'S JUST SAY WE JUST NEED TO DRILL DOWN. WHAT AREA. WHAT AREA WERE YOU THINKING, MR. CHAIR? THAT CENTRAL AREA. I AGREE, AS FAR AS NORTH AND SOUTH GOES, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE CAN GET IT BETWEEN 92 AND 114, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. I REALIZE THAT'S AWKWARD. IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT BETWEEN 92 AND 114. WHAT? THAT'S ALONG THE PARK IN THAT. IN THAT I JUST MEANT. OH, YOU MEAN 92 AND 102? YEAH.

UP AND DOWN, UP AND DOWN. SHE'S GOING UP. I WENT UP AND DOWN BETWEEN THESE TWO SEQUENTIALLY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL SHORTEN IT TO 94 TO 111. DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER SEQUENTIALLY. THAT WOULD BE I THINK IDEAL BUT AWKWARD. SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE IN THOSE TAN AREAS. THE 63, 64, 65, 66, 25, 74, 75 WOULD BE SECOND CHOICE. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT GENERAL AREA, WE JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR FOR CITY STAFF. WE'RE NOT DECIDING. YES. RIGHT. SO YEAH, I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO

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OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO I HAVE A LOT TO SAY. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING OKAY. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS TO ADD TEXT FOR SHEDS. DECIDE WHETHER THEY'RE RIGHT FOR YOU OR NOT. JUST CLARIFY. REVIEW THE CUL DE SAC. SEE IF YOU CAN PUT AN ISLAND IN IT. ADD A PARK IN THAT MIDDLE SECTION, PERHAPS LOT 64. LOOK AT THE ACCESS POINTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHWEST TO THE POND, PERHAPS REMOVING THE ONE BETWEEN 58 AND 57. THOSE WERE THE FEW THAT I HAD. AM I MISSING ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT SAID, THIS IS APPROVAL FOR PUD. SO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE THE NINE OBJECTIVES FOR PUD, AND IF YOU FEEL THAT THIS MEETS ALL NINE, IT WOULD BE A YES VOTE. AND IF YOU HAVE A NO VOTE, YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY WHICH ONE OF THE NINE OBJECTIVES THAT YOU FEEL IT DOESN'T MEET. THAT IS EVERYTHING I WOULD SAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU, MR. STOYAN. A SECOND SECOND. THANK YOU, MR. FISHER. WE HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. FISHER. YES, MISS. LAUB? YES, MR. STILLION. YES, MR. NICKERSON. YES, MISS. VERBIS. YES, MR. ENGEL. YES. ALL RIGHT. IT HAS BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HOW IT'S GOING TO SHAPE UP. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. YEP. WE HAVE NO DISCUSSION ITEMS OKAY. DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT.

[DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT]

CHAD'S THE ONE THAT HAS ENCOURAGED ME IN THE PAST, BUT DID YOU SEE HOW DAINTY I WAS WITH IT? LIKE, LISTEN, YOU GOT THE PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO. YEAH. WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS NEXT WEEK IF THOSE ARE APPROVED. WELL. YES. ARE THE SIDEWALK GRANTS COMING IN FRONT OF US? SIDEWALK GRANTS ARE ADMINISTRATIVE. YEAH. AND THEN WE STILL HAVE FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE. COPY. SO? SO COMMERCIAL FACADE IS THAT. YEAH. UPTOWN FACADE IMPROVEMENT GRANT. WE DO HAVE ONE APPLICATION WHERE WE'RE REVIEWING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE STILL HAVE FUNDING ON THAT ONE. BUT THE HOME IMPROVEMENT GRANT WILL BE OUT OF FUNDING IF THE OTHER TWO GET APPROVED. I REALLY LIKE WE'RE NOT TO. ALL RIGHT. SO COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUAL BOARD

[COMMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS]

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ALL RIGHT WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION? THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE ARE IS 741

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