Jun 23, 2025 City Council

[CALL TO ORDER]

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FACES IN THE AUDIENCE. WE WILL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND PLEASE STAY STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION AFTER. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALMIGHTY GOD, WE ASK YOU TO GUIDE US THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING AS WE SEEK TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND ITS CITIZENS.

AMEN. AMEN. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. BORDNER HERE. MR. WOLF HERE. MR. BURBY PRESENT. MR. BURGER HERE. MR. HUNTER HERE. MR. REAMES HERE. MISS KRAMER HERE. IS THERE ANY CHANGES OR

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[ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT]

MUSIC BY CHASE WRIGHT. AND IT'S PRESENTED BY DICKMAN SUPPLY. SO JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE.

AND AGAIN UPTOWN FRIDAY NIGHTS ARE VERY DEPENDENT ON THE WEATHER. SO HOPEFULLY WE GET GOOD WEATHER FOR THE NEXT ONE ON JULY 11TH. WITH THAT I'LL SHIFT IT DOWN TO MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION. JEREMY. YEAH, THANKS, TERRY. CITY STREET CREWS ARE COORDINATING WITH THE PAVING PROGRAM CONTRACTOR WHILE ALSO PERFORMING GENERAL MAINTENANCE AROUND TOWN, INCLUDING CRACK SEALING, MOWING AND SPRAYING ON THE PARK SIDE, THE THIRD PARTY, MCIVER WOODS INSPECTION IS OCCURRING THIS WEEK, AND ALSO A SHADE STRUCTURE IS BEING INSTALLED AT MILL VALLEY SOUTH PARK CITY WATER CREWS CONTINUE TO PERFORM RESTORATION WORK AT PARKWAY DRIVE AND GRAND AVENUE,

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SO WE'VE STARTED THE PROCESS OF COORDINATING WITH THE OLD BAG OF NAILS AND MONARCH ROOFING AND SOME OF THE ADJACENT BUSINESSES, JUST SO THAT THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S, I GUESS, WHAT'S COMING THEIR WAY. ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE. JUST AS A REMINDER, ALL CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES AND PROJECT SCHEDULES ARE WEATHER AND CONTRACTOR DEPENDENT. BUT OUT AT THE COLEMANS AND INDUSTRIAL ROUNDABOUT, CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES IN THIS INTERSECTION IS EXPECTED TO BE CLOSED UNTIL THE END OF AUGUST FOR CARRIAGE ACRES AND CHERRY STREET. THE WASTEWATER PROJECT THERE. SANITARY WORK CONTINUES THIS WEEK. NORTH CHERRY STREET REMAINS CLOSED TO THROUGH TRAFFIC BETWEEN EAST FOURTH STREET AND LAKEVIEW DRIVE DURING THIS PHASE OF WORK, AND THEN CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES BOTH AT THE RESERVOIR CONNECTOR TRAIL PHASE TWO AND THE WALNUT STREET SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN FINALLY, AS PART OF THE PAVING PROGRAM, CONCRETE WORK WILL BEGIN ON MILL ROAD THIS WEEK. AND THAT THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. AND IF YOU DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREENS, WHICH PROBABLY CAUGHT YOUR EYE FOR A SECOND LAST THURSDAY, OUR HONOR GUARD AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO SERVE AT THE. I THINK THAT 1230 START FOR THE FOR THE CINCINNATI REDS GAME. AND I THOUGHT WE'D SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THERE WERE SHOWN ON THE SCOREBOARD AND HOW THEY PERFORMED AT THE CINCINNATI REDS GAME. SO WE'LL GET IT STARTED HERE. AT HALFTIME NATIONAL. STADIUM. PLEASE HELP ME HONOR THE MEMORY SYSTEM BY.

VANISHED TODAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT THE HONOR GUARD IS REALLY BEEN SPENDING SOME TIME NOT ONLY GETTING PREPARED FOR EVENTS LIKE THIS. YOU'LL SEE THEM IN PARADES. YOU'LL SEE THEM IN OUR JULY 4TH PARADE. BUT, CHIEF, WE'RE GETTING REQUESTS FOR SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS AS. WE'RE GOING DOWN THE STADIUM AGAIN WEDNESDAY EVENING TO PERFORM DOWN THERE. AND SO YOU REALLY TELL A HUGE DIFFERENCE FROM JUST ALL THE ROUTES THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING AND PERFORMING AT DIFFERENT VENUES AND LOOKING A LOT SHARPER. IT REPRESENTS AS WELL. SO THAT'S IT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. JUST THOUGHT YOU'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE THAT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION? MR. PRESIDENT I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO MR. HOYT REGARDING THE HOMETOWN AUTO DEMO. DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF INDICATION ON IMPACT TO TRAFFIC PATTERN UPTOWN AND HOW LONG POTENTIALLY IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DEMO THAT OLD, OLD FACILITY? YEAH. SO IF I HAD TO GUESS, IT'D BE 2 TO 3 WEEKS THAT WE WILL BE CLOSING THE ALLEY. THAT'S IN BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW. RIGHT. I GUESS JUST SOUTH OF THE OLD BAG OF NAILS. BUT THEY SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO GET INTO A MAJORITY OF THEIR PARKING LOT. AS WE WORK ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE MAY BE A CLOSURE TO PALM STREET BETWEEN FIFTH AND SIXTH, BUT SINCE IT'S OUR GUYS DOING IT, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DEFINITIVE PLAN. IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF WHAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK IN A SAFE MANNER SO THAT THAT WILL BE THE GOAL FOR IT. THANK YOU. NO QUESTION. BUT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE HONOR GUARD AS ME AND MY DAD WENT DOWN TO THE REDS GAME ON THURSDAY, AND IT KIND OF SHOCKED ME THERE WHEN I SAW THE MARYSVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT UP ON THE SCREEN AND I SAID, HEY. SO I WAS ABLE TO GET A COUPLE PICTURES, BUT IT WAS REALLY COOL. THEY DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I SHOULD HAVE FIGURED YOU'D BE THERE. WE SHOULD SHOULD HAVE SENT YOU A TEXT MESSAGE OR SOMETHING. MR. RUBY, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT

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OBVIOUSLY, PARKING IS ALWAYS A CONCERN, BUT BUT THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED. BUT STAFF IS WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AND AT SOME POINT WE'LL WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS CAN BE ON THAT SITE. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, THOUGH. IF DURING THE SHORT TERM BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS, THE SITE WILL BE CLEANED UP GOOD ENOUGH THAT WE CAN UTILIZE UTILIZE IT FOR CERTAIN EVENTS, I'LL USE THE. THE FLEA MARKET WE HAVE IN SEPTEMBER. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO IN THE INTERIM PERIOD, BE ABLE TO UTILIZE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND UTILIZE THAT SITE FOR, FOR A PURPOSE. BUT EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE REDEVELOPED. AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CONSIDER THOSE OPTIONS. YEAH, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, BECAUSE YOU AND I BOTH ATTEND THE NBA, THE MARYSVILLE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION MEETINGS. AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT PARKING, PARKING, PARKING, PARKING. YEAH. AND YEAH, YEAH. SO AND FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, NOT SO MUCH I FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER, EITHER I GET THERE AT THE RIGHT TIME, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO BE DOWNTOWN THE WHOLE DAY. SO I'M NEVER SHORT ON PARKING. BUT THEY COME IN AT EIGHT, EIGHT, 30, 9:00 AND THEY ARE ON CERTAIN AREAS, ONLY ALLOWED TO PARK TWO HOURS. AND THEN WHAT DO THEY DO? SO I DON'T THINK IT'S AS MUCH FOR THE PATRONS OF THE BUSINESSES. IT'S ALSO THE LONG TERM PARKING THAT THE BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE. SO AGAIN, WE'LL WE'LL KEEP HEARING ABOUT PARKING A LOT. WE'LL KEEP KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT AT VARIOUS OPTIONS. IT'S NOT OFTEN YOU GET SITES LIKE THIS AND IN THE CENTER OF YOUR UPTOWN TO BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY REDEVELOP OR REIMAGINE A LITTLE BIT IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING VERY SIMILAR TO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A BIGGER SITE, VERY SIMILAR TO THE 17 ACRE SITE WHERE THE SILOS AND THE OLD WATER PLANT ARE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE REIMAGINE THAT SITE INTO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE STARTING HERE REAL SOON AS WELL. SO WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED, THOUGH, IF THERE'S ANY ANYTHING THAT STARTS GAINING ANY TRACTION. AND I KNOW SOME OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE VISIONING PROCESS AS WELL. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SIR. THAT'S RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? JUST ONE THING. MR. PRESIDENT. I WOULD PROPOSE, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING A PROPER MEETING, WE WOULD MOVE THE FLAGS. IF SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, PERHAPS WE COULD MOVE THOSE JUST TO PLACE THE FLAG ON THAT SIDE OF THE. WE CAN DO THAT. WE WILL. YEAH, WE WILL DO THAT. IS IT IF TO NO DISRESPECT TO MISS GARBER, WE WILL. TWO OF US WILL MOVE THE FLAGS. WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING TO US ABOUT THE PLANNING PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT. AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, WE GET THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPORTS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

SO HOPEFULLY ALL OF ALL SEVEN OF US HAVE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO READ THE PACKETS.

SO THE ONLY AND SO WE CAN WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. ALSO, JUST GOING BACK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A POSITIVE SPOTLIGHT ON MARYSVILLE SO FAR AWAY FROM HOME. MARYSVILLE IS A GOOD COMMUNITY, AND WE SHOULD RAISE OUR HEAD HIGH KNOWING WE HAVE A GOOD STAFF TO PUT US IN A LIGHT THAT REPRESENTS US IN ALL THE WAYS THAT WE BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE. SO THANK YOU. SO REPORT OF CLERK OF COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MR.

[PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT]

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I JUST GET LIKE A FRONT ROW SHOW HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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ANY QUESTIONS CAN YOU ASK THE PUBLIC WHAT YOU WANT ME TO? OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAVE THAT FOR WHEN THEY COME UP IN OUR READINGS. BUT YEAH, YEAH WE'LL BE UP. THEY'LL, THEY'LL PRESENT THE PROJECT LATER THIS EVENING. HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD THEN.

[DESIGN REVIEW BOARD REPORT]

THERE'S SOME NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS GOING OUT THERE AND THAT IS FOR SIGNAGE AT THAT LOCATION THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED. FIVE. YES. ZERO. NO. AND THEN WE HAD TWO HOME IMPROVEMENT GRANT APPLICATIONS. BOTH OF THOSE WERE APPROVED. FIVE. YES. ZERO. NO AS WELL. THE FIRST ONE WAS AT 605 WEST FIFTH STREET, WHICH IS IN OUR VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND THE OTHER WAS IN OUR UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT AT ONE, TWO, SEVEN EAST EIGHTH STREET. AND THOSE WERE THE APPLICATIONS FOR THIS MONTH. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. WERE THERE ONLY FIVE MEMBERS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION? YES, I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT THE REPORT. MAYBE WE SHOULD CHECK THE NOTES. I THOUGHT THE REPORT FOR THE SIGN WAS FIVE TWO, BUT MAYBE THAT WAS A OH, OKAY. BZA. YES. SO THEY HAD TO GO FOR A REQUEST, A VARIANCE REQUEST. SORRY. THANK YOU FOR. YOU'RE FINE. SORRY. AND YOU PROBABLY JUST SAW THAT IN YOUR EMAIL RECENTLY. SO THANK YOU. YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. HEARING OF CITIZENS. THIS IS THE

[HEARING OF CITIZENS]

MY ADDRESS IS 25954 YEARSLEY ROAD, RAYMOND. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE RAISING MY FAMILY IN THE RAYMOND AREA. MY DAUGHTER WILL BE A SENIOR AT MARYSVILLE HIGH SCHOOL NEXT YEAR. MY BUSINESS IS HERE. I OWN AN OPERATE A WATER WELL DRILLING AND SERVICE COMPANY. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE OHIO WATER WELL ASSOCIATION. WHAT I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION TONIGHT IS WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO. MY PASSION IS GROUNDWATER, AND PART OF THAT PASSION IS GROUNDWATER PROTECTION. THE POSSIBILITY OF DATA CENTERS BEING DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA IS OF CONCERN TO ME. THESE DATA CENTERS CAN PULL 5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY FROM THE GROUND. EXCUSE ME. AND THAT IS PER DATA CENTER. IF WE ARE BUILDING MULTIPLE DATA CENTERS HERE, IT COULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORING DOMESTIC WELLS IN UNION COUNTY. THERE ARE 300 TO 500 HOUSEHOLDS ON DOMESTIC WELLS NEAR THIS

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THERE'S SOME LARGE PRODUCTION WELLS IN NORTHWEST OHIO. THEY'RE HAVING THE SAME ISSUE. AND THESE LARGE PRODUCTION WELLS ARE NOT REGULATED. THEY CAN TAKE AS MUCH WATER AS THEY WANT AND FACE NO CONSEQUENCES. SO I'M WORKING IN THE OHIO WATER WELL ASSOCIATION TO TRY AND GET LEGISLATION PASSED. BUT THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. SO IT'S NOT IMMINENT. BUT I WONDER IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PERHAPS LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF WATER WITHDRAWN IN THE CITY LIMITS. THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO. BUT IT OCCURRED TO ME ON THE WAY HERE THAT IT'S A POSSIBILITY. SO. I GUESS IN CLOSING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT THIS. NATURAL RESOURCE FROM BEING ABUSED, BUT I ASK CITY COUNCIL TO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. AND BASED ON OUR CITY'S CAPACITY, WE DO HAVE A LIMIT. JUST JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, IT EASES YOUR STRESS. WE DO HAVE A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH WATER THAT SOME THAT A BUSINESS CAN IMPACT. SO IT'S NOT JUST DATE. SO I'LL JUST BE HONEST.

IT'S NOT JUST DATA CENTERS WE'RE CONCERNED BUT PEOPLE WHO IRRIGATE THEIR LAWN IS ALSO A CONCERN TOO. SO WATERING ALL CAPACITY BEING USED MUNICIPALLY. YES. SO I'M REFERRING TO WELLS.

OKAY I HEAR YOU. SO THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT? HEARING NONE. OKAY.

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THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN. THERE WAS SOME THINGS THAT WE JUST NEEDED TO FINE TUNE A LITTLE BIT. AS FAR AS AN EXPLANATION WHY IT IS, WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT, BUT. I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THAT WE PASS THE RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I MOVE TO PASS THE RESOLUTION ROLL CALL. MR. YES. MR. MAYOR. YES. MR. YES, YES. MR. YES. MR. BURGER. YES. MR. HUNTER. YES. SEVEN. YES. RESOLUTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ORDINANCE A THIRD

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AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE SITTING IN THIS SEAT. I'LL BE IN NEW JERSEY. SO IF THAT HAS ANY BEARING ON FUTURE. DATES OR TIMES, OR MAYBE WE HAVE TO PUSH IT OUT TO THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE I, I'M STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RESOLUTION EVEN BY THE 14TH. AND I KNOW AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER'S COMMITMENT TO CONTINUOUS DIALOG WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE SUPPORTING THIS NEGOTIATION IN IN KIND OF THE BACKGROUND. BUT I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT JULY 14TH, WE'RE

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JUST TO GET SOMETHING THROUGH. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LIKE MR. KRAMER SAID, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW AND WE DO THAT FULL ANALYSIS OF THE OF THE BENEFITS. AS OPPOSED TO JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FORCE SOMETHING THROUGH AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT HERE, WE WANT HERE. AND WE LOST EVERYWHERE ELSE. SO JUST BE CONSCIOUS ABOUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE, AND I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FINISHED. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? SO I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO THAT. AND IT'S ABOUT PROCEDURE. SO THERE HAVE BEEN SOME AMENDMENTS DISCUSSED WHEN WE GO THROUGH ACTUALLY VOTING ON THOSE AMENDMENTS, IT WOULD REQUIRE A MAJORITY OF SEVEN OR A MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT. WHAT'S THE HOW DOES THAT CHANGE ANY VOTING IMPACT ON THIS? IT REALLY DOESN'T. YOU NEED SIX VOTES TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SIX ZERO IF ALL OTHER SIX WERE HERE. IF THERE'S ANOTHER COUNCIL PERSON ABSENT, THEN YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AMEND IT. OKAY. AND I WOULD ASK THEN. MR. ALENIER, IF WOULD WOULD COUNCIL THEN BE ABLE TO TABLE THAT YET AGAIN ON THE 14TH WITHOUT THE SIXTH? OR IS IT JUST REQUIRE FOUR VOTES? THAT WOULD JUST BE FOR OKAY. ACTUALLY THAT WOULD JUST BE I THINK THAT WOULD JUST REQUIRE A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL PERSONS PRESENT. SO IF THERE WERE FIVE, THREE WOULD WORK. SO WE COULD POSTPONE IT TILL JULY 14TH, 2025. AND THEN FROM THAT TIME WE COULD SEE AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE. IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? IF WE NEED TO, WE COULD PUSH IT BACK TO THE 28TH. IF WE'RE NOT READY. OKAY, OKAY. YOU HEAR THAT? AND WE STILL HAVE TIME WITH RESPECT TO THE PASSING THE ANNEXATION WITHIN 120 DAYS OF THE FIRST READING AND PASSING THE ZONING AND ZONING WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE PUBLISHED PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'RE STILL WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME, BUT IF WE GET INTO AUGUST, I THINK WE'RE STILL OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN I MOVE TO POSTPONE THIRD READING TO JULY 14TH? ROLL CALL. MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER? YES. MR. YES. MR. BURR YES. MR. BURGER YES.

MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REMES YES. SEVEN. YES. MOTION PASSES. ORDINANCE BE. THIRD READING VOTE

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ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE. CITIZENS. HEARING NONE. COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON JULY 14TH. ORDINANCE D. FIRST

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THERE'S A COUPLE PARCELS WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY'RE KIND OF SPLIT BETWEEN THOSE TWO ZONING USES. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE IT FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT CAN BE ALL ONE PUD AND NOT HAVE THOSE TWO SEPARATE LAND USES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THEY'RE ABOUT 190 LOTS.

WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. AND THEY'LL WALK THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU.

WHAT THAT LAYOUT LOOKS LIKE OPEN SPACE, PATHS AND AMENITIES THIS EVENING. SO WITH THAT SAID, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO G2, PLANNING TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, MCKENZIE OR THE DO YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING? WE CAN PULL THE PUD UP IF YOU HAVE YOUR. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO JUST PULL UP THE APPENDIX? MAYBE IF YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AND WE CAN JUST PULL UP A SITE PLAN FOR YOU IF THAT WORKS FOR NOW UNTIL YOU CAN GET THE CHAT GOING, DO YOU WANT TO START TALKING? YEAH. HI, MY NAME IS DAVE. I'M WITH G2 PLANNING AND DESIGN AND WE'RE AT 720 EAST BROAD, SUITE 200, IN COLUMBUS, OHIO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TODAY. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY TEAM. JUSTIN WOHLENBERG IS A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH TERRAIN EVOLUTION. AND THAT'S GOOD. IT'S THE SAME THING. OH, OKAY. GREAT. AND WE'RE HERE REPRESENTING EVERGREEN LAND COMPANY. THE SITE, AS ASHLEY STATED, IS ABOUT 100 ACRES IN SIZE. IT'S LOCATED IN BETWEEN STATE ROUTE 28 AND 36, PROBABLY DIRECTLY WEST OF THE MARYSVILLE GOLF CLUB. THE EXISTING SITE IS ACCESSED BY BERGER ROAD TO THE NORTH. THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE IS ZONED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, AND THE SOUTHERN PORTION IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S TWO EXISTING TREE STANDS. LARGE EXISTING TREE STANDS ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE SITE, AND THE SOUTH EAST SIDE OF THE SITE, AND THOSE WILL BE PRESERVED. THERE'S A LARGE POND ON THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE SITE THAT WILL ALSO BE

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THEY'RE APPROXIMATELY 130 FOOT IN DEPTH. THE LOTS FACING BERGER ROAD ON THE NORTH WILL BE ACCESSED BY A REAR ALLEY, SO THERE'LL BE NO ACCESS POINTS OFF OF BERGER ROAD. AND DUE TO THE CUSTOM NATURE OF THE HOMES, THIS IS VERY POSSIBLE. AND THEN ALSO THE HOMES DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THAT ALLEY WILL ALSO BE REAR ACCESS, AND THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ACCESSED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH HIDDEN GARAGES. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 33% OPEN SPACE THAT CONSISTS OF THE TWO LARGE TREE STANDS WITH TREE STANDS, WHICH WE ARE PRESERVING AS A NATURAL PRESERVE ON THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH EAST OF THE SITE. THE OPEN SPACE ALSO INCLUDES THE RETENTION POND, WITH A WALKING TRAIL SURROUNDING THE ATTENTION RETENTION POND, WITH PLENTY OF ACCESS POINTS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. WE ALSO HAVE THREE POCKET PARKS WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT, SO WE HAVE A VARIETY, A WIDE VARIETY OF OPEN SPACES WHICH PROVIDE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES FOR THE RESIDENTS.

EVERY SINGLE OPEN SPACE OR THERE IS AN OPEN SPACE ACCESSIBLE FROM EACH PORT WITHIN, I BELIEVE, 800 LINEAR FEET OF EVERYBODY'S FRONT PORCH. YOU CAN PROCEED TO THE NEXT ONE IF THERE IS A. IS THERE ANOTHER SLIDE THERE? THIS IS THE ILLUSTRATIVE MASTER PLAN. SO AGAIN IT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING TREE STANDS BEING PRESERVED. THE OPEN SPACE, THE PRESERVED POND AND THEN ALSO THE DIVERSITY OF LOTS. THIS IS OUR OPEN SPACE PLAN. AGAIN, WE'RE AT 33% OPEN SPACE. AGAIN, WE HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF TYPES OF OPEN SPACE WITH THE POND, WITH A SURROUNDING PATH NETWORK, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY ABOUT A HALF MILE LOOP. SO TO TWO LOOPS WOULD WOULD EQUAL A MILE, AGAIN WITH THREE ACCESS POINTS. AND THEN ALSO THE NATURAL PRESERVES. THE EXISTING TREE STANDS OVER ON THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST, WHICH IS ALSO ACCESSIBLE TO THE SIDEWALK NETWORK WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR THREE SMALL POCKET PARKS AGAIN. SO WE'RE OFFERING A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES FOR THE RESIDENTS. THIS IS OUR TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. WE ARE REMOVING A HANDFUL OF TREES FOR LOTS 138 THROUGH 141. THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER HANDFUL OF TREES THAT LIE WITHIN THE SETBACKS OF THOSE LOTS. WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE PRESERVE THOSE, AND IN THE EVENT THAT THE BUILDER HAPPENS TO REMOVE THOSE DURING CONSTRUCTION, THAT THEY WILL BE REPLACED PER YOUR CODE. THE REST OF THE TREES IN THE SITE ARE BEING PRESERVED. THIS IS OUR OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE'VE GOT STREET TREES AT APPROXIMATELY 40FT ON CENTER WITHIN A NINE FOOT TREE LAWN. WE ALSO HAVE A BUFFER ALONG THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL SITE ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE SITE. WE ALSO HAVE OPEN SPACES WHICH ARE COMPLEMENTED BY DECIDUOUS SHADE TREES, EVERGREEN TREES AND ORNAMENTAL TREES. AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF OUR OPEN SPACE PLAN.

THIS SHOWS OUR LARGE RETENTION POND WITH THE EIGHT FOOT MULTI USE PATH COMPLEMENTED WITH, YOU

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THE THERE WAS COMMENTS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS WITHIN WITHIN THE SITE. WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN ON THE PLAN IS THE STANDARD THAT IS IN MARYSVILLE'S STANDARD ROADWAY DRAWINGS, STANDARD STANDARD DRAWING NUMBER TEN, WITH A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WITH 29 FOOT STREET SECTION STAFF HAD REQUESTED A HANDFUL OF STREETS BE 70 FOOT, WITH THE 29 FOOT STREET SECTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF WAS UNCLEAR AS TO, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF THE ADDITIONAL WIDTH TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THAT WOULD IMPACT, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENT HERE AS FAR AS KEEPING THE LOTS, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT FRONT PORCHES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE SIDEWALKS FOR MORE OF AN INTIMATE FEEL, EXPANDING THAT WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE US, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SAME YIELD, WHICH IS OUR DENSITY IS WELL BELOW WHAT THE COMP PLAN HAD HAD PRESCRIBED THAT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO LESSEN OUR OUR LOT SIZES IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SAME YIELD. AND PART OF OUR INTENT IS TO, TO HAVE THOSE SAME A LARGER LOT SIZE THAN WHAT MOST PRODUCTION BUILDERS ARE COMING TO MARKET WITH. WE HAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, 80 90 FOOT LOTS IN HERE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT SAME YIELD WITH WITH A LARGER RIGHT OF WAY, WE'LL HAVE TO REDUCE THOSE OR ENCROACH INTO, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACES WITH TREES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO PRESERVE. SO THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR STANCE ON. OR YOU COULD REMOVE A COUPLE HOUSES OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. JUST JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, I DON'T WANT JUST SO YOU KNOW OKAY. THAT WAS THE WHERE I STATED, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE SAME YIELD OF, OF HOMES IN THERE WITH THE SAME DENSITY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING CURRENTLY. YES. I KNOW, I'M LISTENING. YEAH. SORRY. I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT WAS THE BIGGEST STAFF'S COMMENTS. OBVIOUSLY, SANITARY WAS ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS, WHICH I BELIEVE WE'VE ADDRESSED.

STORMWATER WAS ANOTHER CONCERN, WHICH I BELIEVE WE ADDRESSED THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH ALONG, YOU

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BUT ABOUT FIVE OF THE NINE STREETS THAT WERE IN THERE WERE SUGGESTED TO BE THE 70 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. SO LOOKING FOR MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THAT OR THE RATIONALE FOR THE WIDER RIGHT OF WAY BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH, WITH ANY CHANGES TO THE PLAN. SO LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU GUYS ON THAT. I'LL TAKE SOME QUESTIONS. WELL, SO YOU KNOW, IF TIM, IF I'M SAYING SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF LINE, JUST TELL ME OR ADMINISTRATION. BUT NORMALLY IT ALWAYS SCARES THEM A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE NO ONE EVER KNOWS WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. YOU KNOW. SO NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, HERE HEARING THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION. SO NORMALLY WE JUST AS A COUNCIL WE HEAR WE HEAR YOUR PRESENTATION. WE HEAR HEAR YOUR CONCERNS. YOUR CONCERNS I'M SURE IS BEING WRITTEN DOWN BY STAFF AND BY OURSELVES. WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR SECOND READING, THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW, WE'RE BE ABLE TO ENGAGE AND, YOU KNOW, DIALOG. BUT IN SAYING ALL OF THAT, IF THERE ARE ANSWERS TO ANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY OR OR ANY OF CITY STAFF WANT TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY WELCOME TO DO THAT TONIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THE ON ON THE ROADWAY WIDTHS AND WHY THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN DONE. AND THEN THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, EDUCATED TO US. BUT IF, IF STAFF I MEAN IF COUNCIL HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO MENTION IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO SO OR YOU CAN TAKE THIS MOMENT TO DIGEST IT AND THEN COME BACK. MR. PRESIDENT, ON THE ON THE PUD THAT WAS PASSED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION, DOES IT HAVE A 70 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY OR A SMALLER RIGHT OF WAY ON THOSE PARTICULAR STREETS? LET ME LOOK HERE. I HAVE THE PUD. THE PLAN THAT WAS THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE IS WHAT WAS APPROVED AT THE END OF PLANNING COMMISSION. THE STATEMENT OF ENGINEERING COMMENTS COULD BE ADDRESSED DURING ENGINEERING. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE WERE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE LAYOUT OF. AND WE DID HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AFTERWARDS. OKAY. MR. PRESIDENT SAID A COUPLE QUESTIONS, SOME MAYBE RHETORICAL. SO THIS IS ALREADY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SO IN IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND PERHAPS, MISS GARVER IF I'M OFF ON THIS BUT FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS IS SRT SO SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. CORRECT. AND THAT MEANS IF YOU KIND OF TALKED ABOUT GOING ABOVE THE LOT SIZE IS WHAT OUR CODE MANDATES. SRT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS A 55 FOOT WIDTH. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE DEPTH? I CAN'T RECALL THAT OFF THE TOP I BELIEVE IT'S 130 OKAY. 130. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY YOU'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S MEANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER YARDS THAN WHAT WE REQUIRE AS A MINIMUM BY ZONING. IF WE HAD IF THIS HAD COME THROUGH A STANDARD ZONING, YOUR APPROVAL PROCESS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WOULD BE LESSENED. IS THAT CORRECT STATEMENT? THAT WOULD BE EASIER, I GUESS. WELL, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO REZONE THE PARCEL FROM ARD TO SRT, SO THEY WOULD STILL COME THROUGH COUNCIL AT THAT POINT TO REZONE THE PARCEL FOR THE ZONING OF THAT. AND THEN FROM THERE, THEY COULD JUST GO STRAIGHT TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND DO THAT DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT THE COUNCIL, WITHOUT COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, APPROVAL ON THAT END OF THINGS. CORRECT. WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE ADDING A CUSTOM ELEMENT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S BASED ON WHO YOU WANT TO MARKET HOMES TO AND THE STYLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'RE ASKED TO EVALUATE THAT. BUT HAD YOU GONE THROUGH OUR MINIMUM ZONING REQUIREMENTS, IT IT WOULD HAVE A LESS HURDLES, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY, TO GO THROUGH. SO JUST I WOULD SAY ASK COUNCIL TO KEEP THAT IN MIND IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS. THIS IS AN EXTRA HURDLE, BUT IT'S IN THE NAME OF A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS MORE CHARACTER AND UNIQUENESS TO IT. OTHER QUESTION I WOULD KIND OF POSE IS THE CUL DE SAC THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SOUTHEAST LOT. IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN CONCRETE, ASPHALT IN THAT CUL DE SAC, ANY SORT OF TREES IN THE MIDDLE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES.

SO DURING PLANNING COMMISSION, ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS TO LOOK AT AN ISLAND WITHIN THAT CUL DE SAC. I BELIEVE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. WE LOOKED AT THE SIZE OF THE CUL DE SAC BULB NOW WILL ACCOMMODATE A ISLAND AND MANEUVERABILITY FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. FIRE TRUCKS,

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SO I THINK HAVING SOME ISLAND IN THERE, AS LONG AS WE'RE ABLE TO ACCESS IT WITH THE APPROPRIATE VEHICLES, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE EVALUATING THEM, OF COURSE. YES. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. THAT IS, OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE AN ISLAND IN THAT CUL DE SAC. YES. MAY I ASK, MR. HUNTER, ARE YOU FINISHED? I'M SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING. THAT'S GOOD. SO MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING. MAYBE I'M NOT. I. I THOUGHT I HEARD A ZONING. SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE IS STILL ZONED AS IT WAS IN PARIS TOWNSHIP. OKAY, CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT? BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE I GET INTERESTED. GO UP TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN I THINK WOULD BE THE BEST. OH, YEAH. PERFECT. THIS THIS WOULD BE GOOD. THIS IS A REALLY GOOD VIEW ABOUT WHAT PORTION OF THE LAND IS WHERE LOT 24 IS PROJECTED ACROSS THE SITE IS WHERE THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE. SO 24 SOUTH AND PROJECTS THAT ACROSS. THAT'S THE PORTION. THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE IS ALL THE ORIGINAL ZONING FROM PARIS. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I HAVE MAYBE A CONCERN, BECAUSE WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS 24. SO JUST SO COUNCIL'S AWARE, 24 IS RIGHT HERE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST. THAT'S IT. SORRY. EVERYTHING SOUTH IS ARD. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE SO I GUESS FROM A DENSITY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 33% GREEN SPACE ON 100 ACRES, WHICH REALLY GIVES YOU EFFECTIVELY ABOUT 67 ACRES TO PUT HOMES ON THE, ON THE, ON THE LAND RIGHT, WHICH IS ABOUT 7000 507,000 SQUARE FOOT AN ACRE, WHICH IS ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN ACRE, WHICH, IF I RECALL IN THIS OR CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE ARD IS ONE HOUSE PER ONE ACRE. YES. IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS CORRECT. BUT THEY'RE REQUESTING TONIGHT A PUD. OKAY, SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ARD REQUIREMENTS. THEY WILL.

THEY WROTE THEIR OWN ZONING TEXT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, BUT KIND OF TO POINT BACK. GO AHEAD. YEAH. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT. YEAH. SO WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH SHOWS THIS AS IF IT WERE TO DEVELOP UNDER THE CURRENT CITY CODE WITHOUT A PUD. YEAH. IF IT WERE TO DEVELOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR COMP. RIGHT. SO PUDS HAVE A PROVISION IN ACCORDANCE WITH COMP PLAN AMONGST OTHER DOCUMENTS, WHICH TO THE PUBLIC IS REASON WHY COUNCIL GETS TO OVERLOOK IT. BECAUSE IT IS A PUD. YEAH, YEAH. BUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR COMP PLAN IT WOULD SHOW THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL NUMBER PARCELS, THIS PLOT OF LAND TO DEVELOP INTO SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL. SO THE INTENT OF THE COMP PLAN IS THIS WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL SRT. THE WHAT'S BROUGHT BEFORE US IS DEVIATES FROM THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE IT GOES ABOVE THE STANDARDS OF WHAT WHAT OUR ZONING AND COMP PLAN CALLED FOR. SO MEANING THEY COULD AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO CITY STAFF. WELL, WHAT WELL, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, I MEAN, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILDING. YES. ARD IS ONE ONE HOUSE PER ACRE. THEY'RE TECHNICALLY DOING TWO HOUSES PER ACRE. SOME SOMETHING LIKE AROUND THERE. BUT IF IT WAS STRAIGHT ZONING THEN IT WOULD BE. I MEAN, THEY COULD COME IN TO A 55 FOOT LOT IN BUILD HOUSE, BUILD A WHOLE BUNCH OF ROW HOMES, WHICH WHEN THE COMP PLAN WAS FIRST DONE IN 2018, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY I WAS AGAINST THE 55 FOOT LOTS, BECAUSE EVERY DEVELOPER NOW BUILDS TO THE BARE MINIMUM OF 55 FOOT LOTS. SO TO YOUR TO YOUR STATEMENT, YOU KNOW IT. IT IS BETTER THAN GOING THIS ROUTE THAN IT WOULD BE STRAIGHT ZONING. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT INDEED PORTIONS ARE NOT WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WOULD SHOW, BECAUSE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SAYS IF THIS WERE TO DEVELOP, THIS IS HOW IT WOULD DEVELOP. I GUESS MAYBE I'M MISSING THE POINT, BUT

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YEAH. I'M SORRY. THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL THEY NEED TO BE SO THE SRP SO THAT SO THAT THOSE CARS CAN BE SRP AND THEN THEY THEY COULD GO FLAT THAT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN OUR ORDINANCE FOR SRT. AND THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION. AND THIS IS WHERE I CONTINUE TO ASK. BUT I CONTINUE TO ASK TO EDUCATE NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I'M SURE I'M CONFUSING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE BECAUSE I'M SITTING UP HERE, CONFUSED MYSELF, LIKE, SHOW ME WHAT IT'S ZONED TODAY VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, AND SHOW ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND WHY THE PUD IS BETTER. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE AS IT STANDS TODAY, THE WAY THAT I SEE IT IS OKAY, YOU GOT PSD 25%, YOU GOT ARD 75%. THAT'S A HOUSE AN ACRE. YOU'VE GOT 1.9, WHICH IS YOUR GROSS 100 ACRES AT, YOU KNOW, 190 HOUSES. BUT THE, THE EFFECTIVE LOT SIZE IS REALLY 190 OFF OF 67. I GUESS IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, THE WHAT MAKES IT BETTER IS TO DO UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, WE WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP EVERY INCH OF THIS SITE, RIGHT? WE WOULD NOT. THEY WOULD NOT BE UNDER THE AGRICULTURAL THE CURRENT ZONING THAT IT IS, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT WITHOUT TOUCHING EVERY INCH OF THE SITE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING TO YOU WITH A REZONING REQUEST TO REZONE IT TO A PD, SO THAT WE CAN INTELLIGENTLY PLACE THOSE LOTS WHERE WE WANT THEM, PRESERVE THE NATURAL FEATURES THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE THESE LARGE STANDS OF TREES THAT OTHERWISE TO DO IT, TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP IT, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PRESERVE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT'S THE CLARITY THAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR WHEN YOU'RE SHOWING, LIKE THE SIDE BY SIDE, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM, I PRESUME, AND MAYBE EVEN AT HOME WATCHING IF THERE ARE.

WELL, RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD BE. SO MAYBE IT'S SECOND READING SOMEWHERE AROUND 100 UNITS, BUT THERE WOULD BE THEY'D BE MUCH LARGER. OBVIOUSLY THERE'D BE A ROUGHLY AN ACRE APIECE, RIGHT? AND YOU WOULD GET NONE OF THE NATURAL CHARACTER FROM THIS SITE BY BY DEVELOPING IT THAT WAY.

YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S CURRENT, WHAT'S PROPOSED, THE WHY, REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE WHY AND THE BENEFITS OKAY. AND THEN THAT THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT EVERYBODY BECAUSE THEN THE RESIDENTS CAN SEE, HEY THIS LIKE WE'RE NOT JUST RUBBER STAMPING THINGS AND BRINGING PUDS HERE. THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT GOES THROUGH HERE. RIGHT? RIGHT. I WANT TO BEFORE AND I'M NOT I'M NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. I WANT TO DAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO WHAT I STATED THERE? OKAY, OKAY. FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, HOW MANY UNITS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE, WHAT YOU HAVE TO PHYSICALLY DO TO THE SITE. FROM A LAND PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME MORE NUANCE TO THAT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE. PUDS, PUDS GRANT A LEVEL OF CREATIVITY THAT STRAIGHT ZONING WOULD NEVER ALLOW. NOW THAT'S WHY IT COMES IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. BUT THE REALITY IS, AND I WANT THE RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU PUDS ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO STAND BEFORE YOU. IF THIS COUNCIL WOULD GET A NEW COUNCIL AND CREATIVITY IS NO LONGER A STANDARD, THEN PUDS ARE NOT WORTH THE TIME AND ENERGY FOR COUNCIL. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CREATE GOOD DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, YOU PUT IT IN YOUR ZONING CODE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW WE NEED TO DO.

BECAUSE INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE DEVELOPMENTS COME THROUGH US WITH PUDS, ALL DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD HAVE THE SAME CHARACTER AND STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY THAT WOULD BE MY STATEMENT. BUT SO TO HIS POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T BE SAVING THE TREES. YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING EVERYTHING, LET'S SAY IF MY HOMES OR SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME

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RIGHT. WE'VE GOT SOME LARGER LOT SIZES. WE WANT TO CODIFY THAT INTO THE ZONING FOR THIS SITE.

RIGHT. OTHERWISE WE COULD COME IN, YOU KNOW, AND JUST ASK FOR A STRAIGHT REZONING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, COME BACK WITH 55 FOOT LOTS. BUT THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT. OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE HIGHER QUALITY. IT SETS A HIGHER STANDARD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. I JUST THINK, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR A SECOND READING, JUST HAVE THAT COMPARISON TO SHOW, LIKE, HEY, THIS IS THIS IS WHAT YOUR CODE SAYS. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD. HERE'S THE BENEFIT OF WHY THIS PUD CONCEPT IS BETTER THAN STRAIGHT ZONING.

SO IT'S VERY CLEAR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE I THINK I DO HAVE A RESPONSE TO COUNCILMAN REED'S QUESTION. SO IN THE TEXT THAT WAS APPROVED AT PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. BUT AS THE APPLICANT SAID, WE TYPICALLY HAVE THOSE ENGINEERING STAFF COMMENTS THAT SAYS YOU MUST COMPLY WITH THIS, THESE ENGINEERING REQUESTS, WHEN YOU GET TO THE ZONING PERMIT STAGE OR THE ENGINEERING PLANS. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT I THINK QUESTION CAME INTO PLAY. SO IF THE IF THEY DID GO WITH A RIGHT OR RIGHT OF WAY, COULD THE SETBACKS THEN BE ADJUSTED TO KIND OF MAINTAIN LIKE COULD WE REDUCE THE SETBACKS THEN SO THAT THEY COULD THEN STILL MAINTAIN? YEAH, I THINK WE COULD CONSIDER THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADD AS AN AMENDMENT. AND MAYBE IT'S JUST A COUPLE SENTENCES WITHIN THIS PUD THAT SAYS IF THERE'S A IF THERE'S A INCREASE IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY, A REDUCTION OF THAT SETBACK COULD OCCUR JUST SO THAT WE KNOW AS WE PROCEED FORWARD, IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED, WHEN WE GET TO THAT PLANNING COMMISSION OR GO TO THOSE ENGINEERING PLANS, WE KNOW WHAT THAT SETBACK IS IN THOSE. I WANT TO ADD TO THAT. WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, TOO. AND IF WE DID NEED TO GO TO THE 70 FOOT, WE WOULD REQUEST, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT SETBACKS RIGHT NOW IN THE PLAN, IT'S THEY'RE 25FT. WE WOULD REQUEST THAT TO BE 20. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT, BECAUSE THE WIDER WIDTH WOULD PUSH THE SIDEWALKS OUT AS WELL.

SO WHAT YOU WOULD END UP WITH IS ROUGHLY 21FT BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE WALK AND THE HOUSE. MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW, LARGER VEHICLES, MOST PASSENGER CARS, PROBABLY 90% OF PASSENGER VEHICLES WILL FIT IN THAT 20 FOOT SPACE, EASILY. LARGER TRUCKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WILL DEFINITELY HANG OUT OVER THE OVER THE SIDEWALK. AND SO WITH THE 25 FOOT, YOU KNOW, A LARGER TRUCK WILL DEFINITELY FIT THERE WITHOUT HANGING OVER THE SIDEWALK. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WOULD I WOULD SAY TO THINK ABOUT IN THAT CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. OH, GO AHEAD. I STILL HAD A FEW QUESTIONS INITIALLY, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN DAVE THAT MENTIONED IT, BUT SINCE YOU ARE THE ENGINEER, YOU SAID THAT INITIALLY THERE WAS SOMEWHAT OF A CHALLENGE FOR THE WASTEWATER.

YEAH. OH, YEAH, WITH THE SANITARY SEWER. SO WHAT WHAT WAS THE CHALLENGE AND HOW DID YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT? THE SITE DRAINS PREDOMINANTLY NORTH TO SOUTH, CORRECT? YEAH. AS YOU LOOK ON THE PAGE HERE, NORTH TO SOUTH. AND SO THE SEWERS ACTUALLY ON BURGER ROAD. SO TO EXTEND THAT WE ARE YOU KNOW, THE GRADE IS GOING DOWN BUT THE SEWER IS GOING UP. CORRECT.

OKAY. SO TO GET TO THE LOWER PART OF THE SITE, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME FILLS IN THIS AREA WITH THE LOOP AND THE AREA WITH THE CUL DE SAC, IN ORDER TO ADEQUATELY SERVE THOSE WITH GRAVITY SEWER WITHOUT USING AN ADDITIONAL PUMP STATION, THAT SORT OF THING. AND WE CAN DO THAT, BUT IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME FILLS TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. YEAH. AND I CAN IMAGINE A BURGER ROAD. WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE JEREMY, IF I CAN PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. NORMALLY THE WASTEWATER SEWER. YEAH. OR THE SEWER LINE IF YOU WILL. HOW DEEP DO WE NORMALLY PUT THOSE TYPICALLY 10 TO 12FT, 12. MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET BASEMENT SERVICE. YOU KNOW IF SOMEBODY HAS WANTS TO FINISH THEIR BASEMENT. SO THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WHAT IS FOR. THOSE FEET. BUT YOU YOU YOU YOU

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THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE. YEAH. YEAH. THERE COULD BE DEFINITELY A MIX OF GARAGES. YEAH. WE'VE GOT AND 90 FOOT YOU KNOW, 70S, 80S, 90S. YEAH. AND THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF HOMES WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT DEAR I'M SORRY I DIDN'T. NO NO NO NO KEEP KEEP KEEP GOING. NO NO NO. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY. NO. I THINK THE BEST THING WOULD BE, IS TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY DRIVE TO THE SITE. NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME KIND OF EXPLANATION AND THEN TAKE A VISUAL LOOK AND THEN ASK THE MORE QUESTIONS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. OKAY. YEAH, I KNOW MR. WOLFF HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. YEAH, JUST THREE ITEMS. ONE OF THEM'S A COMPLIMENT I DO APPRECIATE IN THERE YOU HAVE THE KIND OF DIVERSITY OF HOUSING THROUGHOUT. IT'S NOT JUST ONE SIMPLE HOME REPEATED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. AND IT KIND OF FOLLOWS THE EXAMPLE MR. BARRACK HAD AND HIS COUPLE DEVELOPMENTS ABOUT THE COLORS AND STYLES OF HOMES, ESPECIALLY AT THE END THERE. BUT TWO QUESTIONS I HAVE. SO READING THROUGH THE PLAN FOR THIS, ARE YOU STILL THINKING THERE'S GOING TO BE AROUND 250 KIDS THAT WOULD COME FROM. IF THIS IS ALL FULL, I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS PERSONALLY, BUT I KNOW IN TALKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE TALKED DIRECTLY WITH MARYSVILLE ABOUT THIS ONE, BUT IT'S USUALLY FROM THE DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AROUND ONE KID PER HOME IS WHAT THERE IS, WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S LIKE 1.1 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT MOST OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS USE THAT AS THEIR PROJECTION FOR, FOR THE NUMBER OF HOMES. SO YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT ACCURATE. OKAY. SO THEN MY SECOND QUESTION KIND OF STEMS FROM THAT. JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND THE TRAILS ARE NICE IN THERE. I KNOW IN OUR RECENT PARKS AND REC AND COUNCIL MEETING, TRAILS WERE A BIG THING THAT WERE ASKED FOR BY RESIDENTS AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND AROUND TOWN. BUT LOOKING AT THIS AND COMPARING IT TO AREAS IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF MARYSVILLE, FOR ANY OF THOSE 190 KIDS, IF IT IS JUST ONE KID PER HOUSEHOLD, IT'S ALMOST A 40 MINUTE WALK TO THE CLOSEST PARK AROUND HERE. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THE POCKET PARKS, BUT WOULD THERE BE ANY CONSIDERATION OF RECONFIGURING THAT SOMEWHAT TO HAVE AN ACTUAL PARK IN THIS AREA? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BIG 20 ACRE PARK, BUT A SMALLER PARK WHERE YOU'RE NOT SAYING, HEY, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF I KNOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO FILL OUT OVER TIME, BUT WITHIN THE FIRST FEW YEARS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WALK 40 MINUTES JUST TO GO TO A PARK AS A FAMILY

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THIS WILL BE BACK FOR SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 14TH. COMMENTS OF CITY MANAGER

[COMMENTS OF THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL PERSONS AND GENERAL DISCUSSION]

IT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS. IT'S A PROCESS THAT TAKES A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF TIME. AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOUR SUPPORT FOR THAT. AND AS WELL AS THEIR WORK TO GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED AND BEFORE US TONIGHT, SO IT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE BY JULY 1ST. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE WILL START DOWN WITH MR. BORDNER. I JUST PERSONALLY WANT TO GIVE MY SON AND HIS BASEBALL TEAM A SHOUT OUT. THEY WON THEIR FIRST TOURNAMENT GAME ON SATURDAY. THEY PLAYED THEIR SEMIFINALS THIS EVENING, SO I DON'T HAVE MY PHONE. SO I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET UPDATES. BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

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NO COMMENTS. I'LL SKIP DOWN TO MISS CRAMER. JUST EVERYBODY TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES IN THIS HEAT.

LOOK OUT FOR OTHERS IN THIS HEAT. AND ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES. AND ENJOY THE POOL.

MR. REAMES. I HAVE NO COMMENT. NO COMMENT. MR. HUNTER. I JUST WANT TO EXTEND MY APPRECIATION TO ALL THOSE WHO HELPED MOVE THE FLAGS. THE. THERE ARE SOME RULES ABOUT DISPLAYING FLAGS. I'VE HAD PEOPLE IN MY LIFETIME MAYBE YELL AT ME FOR YELL AT ME, OR I'VE SEEN YELL AT OTHERS FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. I WOULD SAY FOR ME, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO FLY THE FLAG WHENEVER POSSIBLE. SO YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM PROPS. BUT ALSO IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE, JUST POINT IT OUT TO THEM IN A FRIENDLY WAY BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO PUT A FLAG UP. SO BUT YEAH, THANKS. THANKS FOR MAKING ME FEEL COMFORTABLE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING. THAT'S IT. IT'S THE LITTLE THINGS. IT'S THE LITTLE THINGS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY THAT COMES TO THESE MEETINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU BECOME MORE ENGAGED, YOU MIGHT NOT SEE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS. BUT AS YOU CAN TELL, COUNCIL IS ALWAYS IN TUNE AND TRY TO BE AS DETAILED AS WE CAN WITHIN OUR CODE WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT. RECENTLY WE HAD. THE PARKS COMMISSION AND COUNCIL. WE WORKED TOGETHER TO GO OVER THE PARK MASTER PLAN WE TALKED ABOUT VISIONING AND LONG TERM. AND YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT PARK SPACE, YOU KNOW, THERE ANY TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POCKET PARKS. AND THE REASON WHY MR. BURBY BROUGHT THAT UP IS BECAUSE OF THOSE POCKET PARKS. YOU KNOW, POCKET PARKS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE WE DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE IN THE FUTURE TO ADD TO THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE. SO THAT'S WHY HE'S ALWAYS BRINGING IT UP TO ENSURE THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND THE HOMEOWNERS WHO LIVE IN THOSE AREAS WILL PAY, PAY FOR THOSE. BUT AS WE LEARN ABOUT THE PARKS PLAN, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS WANT MORE TRAILS, WALKABILITY, THE PROTECTION OF OPEN SPACE, TREES WHERE THE TOP AND A LOT OF THE ACTIVITIES WERE REALLY AT THE BOTTOM. AND WE'RE MOVING MORE TOWARDS A SOCIETY OF PROTECTION, OF OPEN SPACE, MORE SO THAN SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES. NOT TO SAY THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT, BUT IN HEARING THE PRESENTATION, I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE OUR FUNDING IS FOR PARKS. SO I AM WANTING TO ASK THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TO LOOK INTO OUR FUNDING OF PARKS AND DEVELOPERS PAYING INTO THE PARKS AND BASED ON THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND, CINCINNATI, MINNEAPOLIS, WASHINGTON DC AND IRVINE, CALIFORNIA RANKS AS ONE OF THE TOP, BUT ALSO COLUMBUS, OHIO, UPPER ARLINGTON, DUBLIN, BEXLEY, GRANVILLE AND HILLIARD ARE ALSO LISTED. IF THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO NOT ONLY UNDERSTAND THE PROTECTION OF LAND AND WHAT WE CAN DO MORE TO DO SO, BUT ALSO MARYSVILLE IS AT OUR BABY PHASE. SO AS A COMMUNITY, WE ARE AT A BABY PHASE, AND WITH THE BABY PHASE, WE SHOULD BE COLLECTING AS MUCH MONEY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE ONCE WE GET TO A TEEN AND ADULT STAGE, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOUR POPULATION KIND OF CAPS OUT AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'LL GO INTO OUR SENIOR STAYS, SENIOR STAGE AS A COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHEN A COMMUNITY KIND OF LOOKS AT REDEVELOPMENT SITES, WHICH IS NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT HAPPENING AT ANY STAGE, BUT THAT'S WHEN YOU START THINKING CREATIVELY. SO, YOU KNOW, AND YOUR REVENUE MIGHT NOT BE STREAMING IN AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD DURING THE BABY PHASE. SO I THINK IT'S HIGHLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK INTO HOW TO BUILD OUR PARKS FUND, NOT ONLY TO MAINTAIN PARKS AS WHAT THEY ARE NOW, BUT THE FUTURE OF PARKS.

LIKE RIGHT NOW. WE TAKE THE FAIRGROUNDS FOR GRANTED, AND WE DO FIREWORKS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING IN. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR REVISIONING FOR OUR CITY, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT LAND THAT MIGHT BE TEN ACRES OR FIVE ACRES OR 20 ACRES OF LAND TO ENVISION A LARGER COMMUNITY PARK THAT HOLDS EVENTS FOR SUCH THINGS AS FIREWORKS IN THE FUTURE, OR ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU HAVE UPTOWN FRIDAY NIGHTS, WHICH ARE GREAT. BUT AS THE TOWN GROWS, YOU KNOW,

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MISS CRAMER YES. MR. BORDNER YES. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THIS

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