2. To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Sketch Plan application for a development known as the Golf Village at Timberview Development located at 1107London Avenue with Parcel ID number of 2900190321250. Additional parcels to be included in the development include 2900190320000, 2900190321000, 2900190322000, 2900190322010, 2900190322030, 2900190324000, 29001190325000, 2900190326000, and 2900190321030.

[2. To hear an application for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Sketch Plan application for a development known as the Golf Village at Timberview Development located at 1107London Avenue with Parcel ID number of 2900190321250. Additional parcels to be included in the development include 2900190320000, 2900190321000, 2900190322000, 2900190322010, 2900190322030, 2900190324000, 29001190325000, 2900190326000, and 2900190321030.]

ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

LET ME. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT ITEM IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS THE GULF VILLAGE AT TIMBERVIEW DEVELOPMENT, LOCATED AT 1107 LONDON AVENUE AT PARCELS ID NUMBER.

AND BEAR WITH ME. I HAVE TO READ ALL THESE NUMBERS AND IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS.

2900190321250 ADDITIONAL PARCELS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDE 2900190320000290019032001, 02900190321000. NOT EVEN HALFWAY.

29001903220002900190032900190322010290019032203, 0290019, 29001903250002900190326000, AND 2900190321030. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? WE DO. TODD FERRIS, ON BEHALF OF KAREN PASSARETTI, PLEASE GO TO THE MIC.

YOU MAY WANT TO PICK UP THAT MIC. A LITTLE SO CATCHES YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WELL GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TODD FERRIS WITH FERRIS.

PLANNING AND DESIGN. APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'VE GIVEN US TONIGHT TO PRESENT TO YOU OUR OUR SKETCH PLAN REVIEW.

ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE.

I, WE WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. AND OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL BE LISTENING TO THAT AS WELL.

SO. OKAY, I'LL GET CLOSER. IS THAT BETTER? THERE WE GO.

THAT'S ME. ALL RIGHT. THIS OBVIOUSLY IS THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PUBLIC PROCESS IN THE REZONING APPLICATION OF GOLF VILLAGE AT TIMBERVIEW.

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TONIGHT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO YOU THE THE SKETCH PLAN OR THE CONCEPT PLAN REVIEW.

THE PACKAGE THAT SARAH IS NOW PASSING OUT HAS A FEW MORE ILLUSTRATIONS IN THERE THAN WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY HAD GOTTEN IN YOUR PACKET.

AND IT IT ELABORATES A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH, WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL AS AS DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF STAFF AND COUNCIL. BUT I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THAT THROUGH THROUGH THIS APPLICATION AND SHARE THIS STUFF WITH YOU.

JEFF, COULD YOU GO TO THE SECOND, I GUESS THE SECOND SHEET? THIS OVERVIEW SHOWS HOW WE WOULD APPROACH THIS PARCEL.

IT WOULD BE DIVIDED INTO THREE SUBAREAS. SUB AREA A IS TO THE NORTH.

CONTAINS 171 UNITS. SUB AREA B IS TO THE SOUTH, CONTAINS 90 UNITS.

AND THEN SUB AREA C IS BIFURCATED BY THE EXISTING TIMBERVIEW SUBDIVISION.

BUT IT INCLUDES THE GOLF COURSE AND THE CLUBHOUSE.

THE TOTAL ACREAGE ON THE SITE IS 105 ACRES. WE'RE LOOKING WITH THIS CONCEPT PLAN FOR 261 UNITS WITH AN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF, OF JUST SHY OF 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE.

OPEN SPACE WAS ABOUT 65% OR 68 ACRES.

I THINK WE HAVE OTHER ENLARGEMENTS, SO YOU CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT, NEXT PAGE.

SO, SO CURRENTLY, I'M SURE MOST EVERYBODY I KNOW, EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE IS FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S OUT HERE.

IT'S A GOLF COURSE, 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE, CLUBHOUSE RIGHT AT THE ENTRY OFF OF LONDON ROAD.

THIS HAS BEEN IN A SINGLE OWNERSHIP FOR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

BUT AS CURRENTLY BEEN PURCHASED PROBABLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BY OUR CLIENT, KIERAN BASSETTI.

HE HAS STARTED MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON THE GOLF COURSE IN THE CLUBHOUSE TO DATE WHERE HE'S KIND OF BRINGING IT BACK FROM, FROM, FROM ITS FROM ITS PRESENT STATE WHEN HE BOUGHT IT, WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGLECT THERE.

SO HE'S BEEN MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON THE GOLF COURSE AND THE AND THE CLUBHOUSE TO DATE.

AND WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THIS CONCEPT PLAN THAT SHOWS WHAT WHAT WE THINK THE VISION IS FOR, FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT PARCEL. NEXT. THIS THIS SKETCH REALLY FOCUSES IN ON SUBAREA A, THIS WOULD BE THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT YOU'LL NOTICE AND IT KIND OF GETS LOST WHEN YOU HAVE THAT GREAT BIG PLAN FOR THE 100 AND WAS IT 105 ACRES IN FRONT OF YOU? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THESE PODS ARE STILL PRETTY BIG, BUT WHEN WE TRY TO ENCOMPASS ALL THE LAND, IT GETS MINIMIZED. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS SITE, AND IT'S BEEN ENCOURAGED THROUGH STAFF AND IN OTHER CONVERSATIONS, IS THAT WE CREATE A WALKABLE COMMUNITY WITH VARIOUS ACTIVITY AREAS INSIDE OF IT, KNOWING THAT THE GOLF COURSE ISN'T NECESSARILY PRIVATE SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS, IT'S ACTUALLY STILL A GOLF COURSE, SO IT'S NOT THEIRS. SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND INCORPORATED IN THIS ARE WALKABLE STREETS.

SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD WERE TO MINIMIZE THE GARAGES ON THE STREET.

SO WE'RE PROPOSING, TOWNHOME CENTRAL TO THE SITE.

THAT THAT HAVE ALLEYS SO WE CAN MINIMIZE THAT.

WE'VE ALSO TERMINATED VISTAS WITH VIEWS OF ARCHITECTURE AND OPEN SPACE AND REALLY CLUSTERED THESE BUILDINGS.

SO SO THEY HAVE A SENSE, A SENSE OF PRESENCE ON THE OPEN SPACE AND TO HELP CREATE SOME OF THOSE, THOSE THEMES THAT THAT WE HEARD FROM, FROM DIFFERENT MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

IF, IF WE CAN PAN DOWN ON ANY OF THESE SECTIONS HERE OR NOT.

THESE ARE OOPS, FLIPPED RIGHT OVER TO THE OTHER ONE.

THESE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE CHARACTER SECTIONS THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE SITE.

THIS IS WHAT WE ENVISION IN THE TOWNHOME AREAS WHERE REALLY WE HAVE FRONT PORCHES THAT ARE ON THE STREETS.

WE WOULD HAVE DESIGNATED PARALLEL PARKING, STREET TREES, PLANTINGS, REALLY KIND OF A, AN INTIMATE WALKING AREA CENTRAL TO THAT.

AND THEN THAT WOULD FEATHER OUT IN TRANSITION TO OUR SINGLE FAMILY AREA AS WELL AS OUR DUPLEX AREAS.

THIS BOTTOM SECTION ACTUALLY ILLUSTRATES THE BUFFER THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ALONG LONDON AVENUE.

I KNOW SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY RECEIVED WERE TO PULL BACK BUILDINGS OFF OF THAT.

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AND TO INCORPORATE MORE NATURALISTIC LANDSCAPE.

SO, SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS, IS THE BIKE PATH THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ALONG LONDON AVENUE THAT WILL GO THROUGH MEANDERING MOUNDS WITH, WITH LANDSCAPING, LITTLE SEATING AREAS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT CREATE MORE OF A, OF AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S ACTUALLY OPEN TO EVERYBODY.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A PUBLIC PATHWAY THAT THAT SERVES THE WHOLE CITY AND NOT NOT JUST OUR DEVELOPMENT BY ITSELF.

AND IT ALSO PROVIDES A BUFFER TO THE EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD OFTEN TO, TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS THROUGHOUT THIS.

NEXT, PLEASE. THIS IS JUST A SERIES OF IMAGES OF SOME OF THOSE OPEN SPACES.

AND GRANTED, THIS IS GRANULAR DETAIL THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY GET TO WHEN WE IF WE GET PAST THIS CONCEPT STAGE.

BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE'VE BEEN SHOWING SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL AS AS THE MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IN HERE TO CREATE THESE, THESE OPEN SPACES.

WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

THIS ISN'T YOUR STANDARD SUBDIVISION. WE WANT YOU TO DO STUFF THAT THAT THAT IS NEAT.

WE WANT OPEN SPACES CLOSE TO EVERYBODY AND WE WANT A VARIETY OF THEM.

SO THESE ARE JUST ENLARGEMENTS OF THOSE AREAS.

HOW WE WOULD TREAT THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU KNOW, JUST JUST TO SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL TREATMENTS THAT WE WOULD BRING TO THE SITE AND, AND MOVE FORWARD, HOPEFULLY IF WE GET PAST THIS CONCEPT STAGE.

SUBMISSION. NEXT, PLEASE. THIS IS A ENLARGEMENT OF SUB AREA B.

THIS IS THE SOUTHERN PORTION. AGAIN THIS IS A COMBINATION OF TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY.

SO WE MINIMIZE GARAGES IN THE CENTRAL PART OF THE SITE WHERE WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY OPEN SPACES AS WELL, AND A SIMILAR, WELL, THE SAME TREATMENT ALONG LONDON AVENUE AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SOME CHARACTER SKETCHES OF THESE OF, OF THOSE SECTIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO THE SITE AS WELL.

AND THIS ARE SOME OF THE ENLARGEMENTS OF, OF THE DIFFERENT OPEN SPACE AREAS THAT WE ENVISION WOULD BE IN THIS THE SOUTHERN PORTION PLAYGROUNDS, THE MALE AREAS, PAVILION AND SEATING AREAS, AND OPEN SPACES FOR COMMUNITY GARDENS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE WOULD DETAIL IN SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT DETAIL IF WE GET PAST THIS FIRST STAGE.

NEXT, PLEASE. WE HAD PREPARED A SERIES OF POTENTIAL ELEVATIONS TO TO SHOW WHAT THE PRODUCT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

WE DON'T HAVE AN END USER IN MIND. WE HAVE TALKED WITH SEVERAL SEVERAL BUILDERS.

THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY.

IF WE GET PAST THIS STAGE AND START MOVING INTO TO SOMETHING MORE SOLID, I KNOW WE'LL BE ABLE TO TO START FINE TUNING THIS.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD AND HAVE INFORMED SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO IS THAT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BECOME INTEGRAL IN OUR DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD THAT WE CAN HAVE VARIED ARCHITECTURE.

WE CAN'T HAVE THE SAME BUILDING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THAT'S BEEN VERY, VERY CLEAR FROM FROM THE FOLKS THAT WE'VE WE'VE TALKED TO.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PARTNER COMING INTO THIS SO WE CAN DO THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS. WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PERSON OR A GROUP THAT CAN COMMIT TO THAT AND WORK TO GET THOSE GOALS DONE, BECAUSE KIERAN, THE OWNER OF THE GOLF COURSE, IS GOING TO STILL OWN THE GOLF COURSE AND THIS IS GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE.

SO THIS IS THIS IS HIS LEGACY AS WELL. SO IT NEEDS TO STAND THE TEST OF TIME FOR HIM ALSO.

NEXT PLEASE. YEAH. AGAIN THIS THIS IS JUST SHOWS THE DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES.

I THINK WE'VE REVISED THIS TO JUST TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE VARIED PRODUCT TYPES THAT ARE IN HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS, AGAIN, THAT WE WERE ENCOURAGED, I THINK THE FIRST PLAN THAT WE CAME IN OR SHOWED THE RESIDENTS WAS TOWNHOUSES AND APARTMENTS OVER RETAIL. THAT WENT OVER REALLY WELL.

SO SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO LOOK AT A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES, SO IT'S NOT HOMOGENOUS.

WE'VE LOOKED AT, AT OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS THROUGHOUT THIS COMMUNITY.

I THINK WE WOULD START IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH THREES AND GO UP TO, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD OTHER OR SOME OF THE PEOPLE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY SAY THAT THOSE COULD BE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES. I DON'T KNOW THAT YET.

I HAVE NO CLUE. ALL RIGHT. HEY. YEAH. NO. YEAH.

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THERE'LL BE TIME FOR YOU TO TALK. OKAY. TRYING TO KEEP IT ORDERLY MEETING.

SO AGAIN, WE'VE LISTENED TO TO TO VARIOUS POINTS OF VIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO VARY THE HOUSING TYPE FROM, FROM WHAT WE HAD INITIALLY BROUGHT IN. SO THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT NEXT, PLEASE.

THIS IS AN OPEN SPACE PLAN. IT'S HARD TO SEE.

I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO REVISE THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT I THINK YOU GET THE IDEA.

OBVIOUSLY, THE BIGGEST OPEN SPACE IS THE GOLF COURSE.

TECHNICALLY YOU KNOW THAT AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S NOT PUBLIC.

THAT'S YOU GOT TO PAY TO GET ON IT. BUT ALL OF THE INTERNAL GREEN SPACES THAT YOU SEE IN THE SUB AREA, A AND B THOSE ARE FOR, FOR THOSE RESIDENTS AND ALSO THE OPEN SPACE ALONG LINDEN AVENUE.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OPEN FOR ALL PUBLIC USE AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY PAY FOR OPEN SPACE AND THEN AND THEN THE RESIDENCES, OPEN SPACE AS WELL. AND I THINK WE, WE WELL EXCEED ANY REQUIREMENTS OF THE PUD THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT CURRENTLY.

NEXT, PLEASE. BEFORE I GET INTO THIS, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS TOO WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE, AND I DIDN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT.

BUT RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, IT'S CURRENTLY AN 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE.

THE PLAN IS TO REROUTE HOLE NUMBER ONE TO REALIGN THAT SLIGHTLY.

THAT THAT GETS ALLOWS US TO EXPAND AND GET THAT SOUTHERN BE PART OF THE.

IT'S NOT ACTUALLY NINE HOLES. IT'S EIGHT HOLES ON THE NORTH SIDE.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT IS RECONFIGURE THAT, UTILIZE A LOT OF THE GREENS AND TEES.

BUT THAT WOULD BECOME A PAR THREE THERE. SO WE WOULD HAVE NINE PAR THREE AND THEN NINE, EIGHT HOLES.

THAT LEAVES A VIABLE 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE. FOR THIS, IT MAINTAINS THE BUFFER AROUND THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOMES CENTRAL. IT ALLOWS US TO PRESERVE THAT OPEN SPACE IN THOSE TREES.

AND AGAIN, GIVES US A NICE BALANCE ON THE GOLF COURSE.

WE'RE MEETING AGAIN WITH WITH THE ARCHITECT FOR THE FOR THE CLUBHOUSE LATER THIS WEEK.

WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL UNDERGO.

AND WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING THOSE COMMITMENTS TO FORWARD IF WE MOVE PAST THIS CONCEPT PLAN STAGE.

JUST, JUST JUST WANTED YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE. WE DIDN'T START ON THIS LAST WEEK.

I THINK IN 2023, DECEMBER 25TH, WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND GOT COMMENTS ON CHRISTMAS DAY.

WELL, NO, I HOPE NOT, I HOPE NOT. SARAH'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS.

I DON'T RECALL THE CHRISTMAS DAY, BUT MAYBE YEAH.

BUT WE MET WITH THEM IN 2023. THEY ENCOURAGED US TO GO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

WE DID HAVE A MEETING AT KIERAN'S OTHER GOLF COURSE, ROLLING MEADOWS.

TO PRESENT THE PLANS RECEIVED A LOT OF GOOD, VALUABLE FEEDBACK.

AT THAT MEETING INCORPORATED A LOT OF IT. NOT ALL OF IT.

I TOLD THEM WE PROBABLY COULDN'T DO IT ALL. BUT WE INCORPORATED A LOT OF IT THERE AND THEN.

WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS SINCE THEN CULMINATING WITH A FEW WEEKS AGO, I GUESS MORE THAN A FEW WEEKS AGO NOW WITH ANOTHER NEIGHBORS MEETING AT AT TIMBERVIEW GOLF COURSE. AND THEN AFTER THAT MEETING WE WENT AHEAD AND FILED THIS CONCEPT REVIEW, AND HERE WE ARE TONIGHT.

SO IT'S KIND OF A BRIEF RUNDOWN. I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, AND OBVIOUSLY SO DOES THE PUBLIC, SO I WON'T KEEP YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOU PRESENTING FOR US. I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE SPECIFIC COMMENTS, BUT I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, THE THE DENSITY ISN'T WHAT I THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT AREA. LIKE, IT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD EXPECT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M RUMINATING ON. BUT I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO OTHER MEMBERS FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

I HAVE ONE. DID YOU SAY ON THE MARCH 13TH, 2024, YOU GUYS MET WITH THE TIMBERVIEW RESIDENTS, OR WAS THAT WITH A DIFFERENT YOU SAID IT WAS A DIFFERENT GOLF COURSE.

WE MET WITH THE TIMBERVIEW RESIDENTS, BUT IT WAS AT ROLLING MEADOWS.

WE HELD IT AT THAT CLUBHOUSE AT THAT POINT. IT WAS.

SO YOU GUYS HAVE ONLY MET WITH THE RESIDENTS TWICE, CORRECT? WE'VE MET WITH THEM TWICE. OKAY. AND THEN THIS I AGREE ON THE THE DENSITY.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE HEAVY ON HOUSING AND GREEN SPACE.

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I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A PRIVATE GOLF COURSE, BUT I GUESS WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH WITH WHAT OUR GREENS, WHAT THE ALLOWABLE GREEN SPACE OR WANTING THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN PRESENTED BY OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPERS.

AND I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS THE THREE STORY TOWNHOME.

I GUESS WHAT WAS THE LEAN TOWARDS THAT? THE LEAN TOWARDS THAT.

AND THIS IS HOW I EXPLAINED IT TO, TO THE TO THE FOLKS WHEN WE FIRST PRESENTED THIS, WHEN WE GO TO AN ALLEY PRODUCT, WHAT THAT DOES IS WHY IS SOMEBODY TRYING TO CALL ME NOW? WHAT THAT DOES IS, IS THE WAY THAT THESE GUYS DO THIS, THE GARAGE THEN IS TUCKED UNDERNEATH AND THEY AND THEY GO UP WITH THAT.

SO THAT THAT'S WHERE THAT BECOMES A THREE STORY.

WHAT I TALKED ABOUT IS THE TRADE OFF BETWEEN HAVING GARAGES UP FRONT OR HAVING THEM IN THE ALLEY.

YOU GO FROM TWO TO THE THREE STORY. I KNOW THAT THE THREE STORY WAS A CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS WE'VE TRIED WELL, NOT NOT ONLY TRIED, BUT BUT REALLY PUT THOSE THREE STORY UNITS CENTRAL TO THIS, TO THIS SITE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT BACKING UP TO ANYBODY.

SO FROM FROM A VIEW STANDPOINT VIEW CORRIDORS, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE, WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THIS WITH SECTIONS THAT, THAT YOU WON'T BE SEEING THESE HOMES OR, OR FROM, FROM THAT THIRD STORY JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE BURIED INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THAT THAT'S THE EXPLANATION. THE OFF STREET PARKING GARAGE BEHIND FOR.

OTHER MEMBERS. YES. SO THE THE OVERALL LAYOUT THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING HERE IN AND OF ITSELF, ANYWHERE ELSE IS A NICE LAYOUT.

BUT WHAT WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING HERE IS SOMETHING THAT I ABOUT THE WALKABILITY AND THAT THAT NEIGHBORLY FEEL AND EVERYTHING.

NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE NEIGHBORLY FIELDS FIELDS, BUT THAT TYPE OF WALKABILITY, I FEEL IS USUALLY PARTNERED THEN WITH SOME, RETAIL AND SOME DINING.

THE WHOLE POINT OF WALKABILITY IS TO WALK TO SOMETHING.

SO I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S MISSED THE MARK FOR THIS AREA.

IT'S A GREAT IDEA AS LONG AS IT WAS MAYBE PART OF A MIXED USE FACILITY OR SOMETHING.

I JUST IT IT. I AGREE. DENSITY IS OFF. IT JUST IT FEELS OFF.

YEAH. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON SOME OF THAT NOW.

THE CLUBHOUSE WILL BE A MIXED USE. HE'S BROUGHT THE RESTAURANT BACK.

ACTUALLY, HE'S BRINGING IT BACK MORE. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE UPGRADES TO THAT.

SO THAT ULTIMATELY COULD BE TURNED INTO A COFFEE SHOP AS WELL.

SO THIS IS OPEN ALL THE TIME. IT'S ONE IT'S ONE RETAIL.

BUT GIVEN WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE WORLD OUT THERE ON THAT SIDE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE MUCH MORE ROOM FOR A WHOLE LOT MORE RETAIL.

AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOUR POINT IS. I WASN'T SUGGESTING THERE BE RETAIL DINING HERE.

I'M SAYING THIS LAYOUT LENDS ITSELF TO THAT. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.

ALL RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. YES. THANK YOU. MEMBERS.

JEFF, COULD YOU GO TO SUBAREA A THE ZOOM IN, PLEASE? WHY IS THAT POND SO BIG? WELL, ACTUALLY, IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT OVERSIZE BY ANY MEANS. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE REQUIREMENT OF THAT POND.

IT'S JUST IT HAS THAT MUCH VOLUME THAT GOES TO IT.

IT HAS DETENTION POND. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S A DETENTION POND.

SO WE SIZED IT ACCORDINGLY. SO IT'S NOT A GIANT HOLE IN THE GROUND.

BUT NO, THERE IS NOT A POND THERE NOW. THERE'S A SMALL LITTLE POND THERE.

AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, I THINK, A LOW AREA THAT THAT FLOODS WHEN THERE'S HEAVY RAINS.

BUT THAT'S THE OUTLET FROM THE SITE. AND WITH THE INCREASE WITH IMPERVIOUS AREA, WE WOULD HAVE TO INCORPORATE OBVIOUSLY THAT PART.

SO MISS LAUB WAS TALKING ABOUT THE THREE STORY PRODUCT, AND YOU SAID THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A REAR LOADED PRODUCT WITHOUT THREE STORY GARAGES.

I DISAGREE, I LIVED IN ONE WHEN I WAS FIRST MARRIED IN DUBLIN.

REAR LOADED GARAGE, TWO STORIES. IT IS POSSIBLE YOU JUST HAVE TO ELIMINATE A BUILDING WHICH WOULD LESSEN YOUR DENSITY.

WHAT? WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE GARAGES IN THE FRONT OF YOUR HOMES EITHER.

THAT'S. I I KNOW THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALLEY LOADED PRODUCT IS GREAT, BUT IF IT KILLS US IN DENSITY, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT GREAT. IT'S NOT IDEAL. DO YOU MIND IF I ASK WHERE IN DUBLIN THAT WAS?

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SO I GO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. HAYDEN FARMS. OKAY.

I LIVED IN TOWNHOMES OFF OF HILLIARD, OFF OF DEXTER ROAD, SOMEWHERE OFF OF DEXTER.

DEXTER ROAD. OKAY, SO LESLIE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT SUGGESTING RETAIL.

WHY WOULDN'T? AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T A POPULAR IDEA, BUT WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO A MIXED USE IN SUBAREA A ALONG LINDEN AVENUE ON THAT MAIN ENTRANCE? WHEN WE WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, INITIALLY WE HAD SOME VERY CONCEPTUAL LAYOUTS THAT WERE SHOWN TO SOME OF THE, THE PHYSICIANS.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S PHYSICIANS AND STUFF IN THE AREA THAT ARE NEAR BECAUSE THEY POTENTIALLY HAD AN INTEREST. THEIR INTEREST WAS NOT THERE.

WE DID SHOW IT TO SOME RETAIL LACK OF INTEREST, LACK OF INTEREST.

THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD. SO YOU ALSO SAID, GUYS, NO, WE'RE TRYING.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS FOR YOU.

SO PLEASE LET US. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO DOWN IN THE IN THE WHAT IS THIS SUB AREA B? THERE ARE ALSO THREE STORY TOWNHOUSES. YOU DID SAY THAT NONE OF THE TOWNHOUSES WILL BE IN, YOU KNOW, BLOCK ANY VIEW. YOU DO HAVE SOME THERE, RIGHT.

OR IS THE LEGEND THAT'S ON THERE? THEY'RE THEY'RE CENTRAL TO THE SITE.

SO WITHOUT GOING UP THERE AND POINTING. OKAY.

THESE ARE THE THREE STORIES RIGHT. SO YOU CONSIDER THAT CENTRAL JUST.

YOU CONSIDER THAT CENTRAL CENTRAL TO THAT POD? YES. I HAVE ANOTHER THING THAT I WROTE DOWN, BUT YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT. YOUR OPENING STATEMENT WAS THAT THERE WAS 65% OPEN SPACE, BUT THEN YOU TALKED THAT BACK AND SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A PAY FOR PLAY GOLF COURSE OR WHATNOT.

SO WITHOUT THE GOLF COURSE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR OPEN SPACE IS? THERE WE DO. I'LL JUST SAY A IS 16.9% AND SUBAREA B IS 25.2%. I GOTCHA. THAT'S WITHOUT THE PONDS.

I SEE. YEAH. PONDS DON'T COUNT ANYMORE, RIGHT? THEY DON'T COUNT. GOOD. ONE SECOND. LET ME TALK TO THE PUBLIC.

DO YOU WANT ME TO OR. GO FOR IT. YEAH. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU WOULD SPEAK TO WHY JUST NINE HOLES GOING TO PAR THREE AND NOT THE ENTIRE 18? POTENTIALLY OPENING UP ADDITIONAL FREE SPACE.

OPEN SPACE. JUST WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON ON THAT DECISION.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CONTEMPLATE GOING TO 18 HOLES OF JUST PAR THREE.

WHAT WHAT IT WHAT WHAT IT WAS IS IS WHAT WHAT CAN WE DO WITH MINIMAL DISRUPTION TO AS MUCH AS THE COURSE AS POSSIBLE IS WHAT IT WAS.

SO PLAY COULD STILL MAINTAIN. SO WE LOOKED AT, AT THE, JUST THE PAR THREE ON THE ONE SIDE THAT THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION TO PONDER.

SO WITH THAT YOU SAID IT'S PAY TO PLAY. WAS THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON DOING MORE PUBLIC ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS DISC GOLF OR FOOT GOLF MIXED WITH THAT TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? WELL, ON THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY CONTEMPLATION TO THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE WOULD ALL INTERPLAY TOGETHER UNLESS THERE ARE SOME.

ARE THERE COURSES OUT THERE THAT'LL MIX IN THOSE ACTIVITIES? WELL, YOU'RE GIVING CARRYING ALL KINDS OF IDEAS. SO THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY GREAT.

SO. YES. OR ARE YOU STILL THINKING I'M RUMINATING. YES. LET'S ROLL WITH MIKE. WAIT.

ARE THESE IS THIS FINAL PRODUCT? IS THIS A RENT RENTAL? NO, IT'S ALL FOR SALE. ALL FOR SALE? ALL FOR SALE. PRIVATELY OWNED. YEAH.

I WOULD ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF THE THIRD STORY OR THE THREE STORY SPECIFICALLY IN AREA A TO THE NORTH.

I WAS WONDERING IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY THOUGHTS TO KIND OF BRINGING, I GUESS.

IS THAT THE FIRST QUESTION THERE TO THE RIGHT.

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THOSE THAT ARE COMBINED AT THE NORTH ARE THOSE THREE STORIES.

NO, THOSE ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE ARE TWO STORY.

OKAY. AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT OUGHT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, MAYBE LIKE THE THE DUPLEXES KIND OF BORDERING THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA.

I JUST KNOW IF I WAS LIVING THERE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE LOOKING AT A BASICALLY A FLAT PLANE OF A BUILDING.

OKAY. SO, SO MORE OF A BUFFER AND VERY. OKAY.

YEAH. BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE ON THE BOTTOM, BUT YOU HAVE ALL THESE NEIGHBORING RIGHT NEXT TO IT AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE.

YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

ARE YOU CONSIDERING THE GREEN SPACE OR THE OPEN SPACE BEHIND THOSE DUPLEXES? PART OF YOUR GREEN SPACE. JEFF, COULD YOU MOVE YOUR CURSOR BELOW THE A IN QUOTATIONS THAT.

ARE YOU CONSIDERING THAT GREEN SPACE? I DON'T KNOW.

WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT GREEN SPACE PLAN TO SEE WHAT WHAT SHE HIGHLIGHTED. IF YOU ARE, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT A USABLE GREEN SPACE. YEAH, WE HAD THAT IN OUR CALCULATION, SO WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THAT OUT.

YEAH. THERE'S NO WALKWAY OR ANYTHING TO IT. YEAH.

ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE THE THE NORTH DETENTION POND WITHOUT A WALKWAY THERE.

WE'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT USABLE GREEN SPACE. YEAH. SO BEHIND THE BUILDINGS ISN'T.

BUT BEHIND BEHIND THE POND IN THEIR CALCULATION.

I KNOW ON THAT BUFFER TO THE NORTH, WE WE HAD HAD RECEIVED COMMENTS AT OUR MEETING FROM THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES TO THE NORTH THERE, AND WE'VE MADE SOME COMMITMENTS THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT.

SO. SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THIS BOARD, AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF GREEN SPACE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. I FEEL LIKE THE TOP RIGHT ONLY HAS THE WALKING PATH FOR GREEN SPACE.

THERE'S NO PLAYGROUND, NO GRILL AREA. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO ADDRESS THAT? YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S ALL ON PAPER, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER.

YES. OH, THAT. WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN FOR SURE.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT HAND SIDE, JEFF, COULD YOU MOVE YOUR CURSOR BELOW THE S? YOU HAVE THAT TRIANGLE GREEN SPACE AND YOU HAVE ALL THREE GREEN SPACES IN A ROW, THEN A FOURTH ONE BELOW THAT.

AND OVER HERE WE HAVE ON THE I DON'T WE JUST HAVE THAT.

AND THAT'S REALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S FOR THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND NOTHING FOR THE CONNECTED HOMES.

YEAH. IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF THE TOWNHOMES THAT WOULD FRONT ON THAT.

SO IT ACTUALLY MAKE THAT KIND OF A TOWN GREEN. BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON THAT, THAT NORTH THAT NORTHEAST QUADRANT OR WHATEVER.

YEAH. AREA I WOULD LIKE TO SEE POSSIBLY SOME OTHER TYPE OF STRUCTURE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE THERE EITHER DETACHED RESIDENTIAL OR TOWNHOMES WITH, WITH AMENITIES FOR THE REMAINING ROW TOWNHOMES. OKAY, SO NOT THE TOWNS. WHERE WERE YOU TALKING AT, CHAD? SORRY, UP AT THE RIGHT THERE. YEAH. ARE YOU DOING THAT JUST TO MATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT? IS THAT WAS WAS THAT THE THOUGHT, SCALE WISE, AS FAR AS HEIGHT? YEAH. WE BROUGHT EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE ONE AND A HALF, TWO STORY AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MATCH DOUBLES TO DOUBLES.

THAT AREA WASN'T EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT I THINK THERE'S A MIXTURE OF SOME SINGLE FAMILY THERE AND SOME OTHER, OTHER THINGS HAPPENING. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR A.

FEW OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO WE WILL BE OPENING UP FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS.

SO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS COMMENTS. SO IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH WITH WITH THE PRESENTER.

BUT IF IN YOUR COMMENTS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO WRITE DOWN, COMPILE THE QUESTIONS, KIND OF GROUP THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, GET QUESTIONS THAT ARE IN THE SAME FAMILY. AND THAT IS ABOUT IT.

SO? SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, COME TO THE MICROPHONE, STATE YOUR NAME, STATE YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. I'M GOING TO TRY TO REMEMBER TO KEEP THE TIMER ON MY PHONE.

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SO WHOEVER'S FIRST ONE FIRST TO STAND UP THERE.

SO AND IF I DIDN'T SAY ONE CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE CLOSED FOR THIS.

WE'LL BRING THE PRESENTER BACK UP AND WE'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH EVERY QUESTION WE CAN.

COMMENTS WILL BE CLOSED, PLEASE. YEAH. THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS RICHARD NIELSEN. I LIVE IN TIMBERVIEW.

I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 22 YEARS NOW, BUILT MY HOME THERE, RAISED MY FAMILY HAVE A CONSIDERABLE FINANCIAL STAKE IN LIVING ON THE RURAL GOLF COURSE PROPERTY.

AND IT IS A VITAL INTEREST THAT THAT RURAL ZONING CODE REMAIN RURAL.

AND AS TO NOT HAVE A DISPARATE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING DEVELOPED PROPERTIES IN TIMBERVIEW WHICH I HAVE ONE OF THEM AND I CAN SEE I HAVE A LOT OF VOTERS HERE AS WELL, NEIGHBORS, VOTERS.

AND WE ARE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE INVITATION TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK THIS EVENING AND THE DISPOSITION OF PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS MATTER.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'LL BE HAPPY TO IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO. OKAY. JUST BECAUSE I HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON WHAT THAT DISPARATE IMPACT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT'S NOT I DON'T NEED TO PUT THE NUMBERS ON THE TABLE.

WE'RE SWORN IN, BUT I CAN PUT NUMBERS TOGETHER AT A FUTURE TIME.

AND WITH THAT, I'M FINISHED. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT.

HI, MY NAME IS TERRY GROBE. I LIVE AT 1380 RED TOP COURT.

WE'RE IN THE COURT. IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE THE OLD FOLKS HOME AND THE GOLF COURSE IS DIRECTLY BEHIND US.

SO I WAS CURIOUS HOW FAR BACK THAT SUBAREA BE.

I GUESS WOULD GO NOT SOUTH OR WEST. WILL IT COME BACK BEHIND THE COURT, WAS MY QUESTION.

WILL IT IMPACT US? I COULDN'T TELL FROM THE DRAWING, AND I HAVE ONE COMMENT THAT I REALLY LIKE THE BIKE PATH OUT FRONT.

I WOULD RIDE MY BIKE BACK AND FORTH TO TOWN, BUT I'M NOT RIDING ON 38 AND IT'S JUST ALONG THE GOLF COURSE THAT THERE IS NO BIKE PATH.

SO THAT'S ALL. AND USUALLY WE TRY NOT TO ANSWER IT IMMEDIATELY, BUT IF WE CAN ANSWER SIMPLY, WE WILL. SO? SO THE ONE YOU HAD UP BEFORE I COULD SHOW IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN.

OH, SORRY. THAT'S NOT THE PICTURE. THIS ONE WILL SHOW.

SO AS FAR AS THE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTHEAST, RIGHT? WE'RE LIKE RIGHT IN HERE. I THINK THIS IS THAT COURT.

YEAH. YEAH. SO SO IT WOULD STILL STILL BE GOLF COURSE ALL ALONG THOSE PROPERTIES.

YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE GOOD HERE. YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAVE A NICE BRUSH BORDER AS EMBLEMS ON THEM.

UNDERSTANDABLE. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. YEAH.

AGAIN I KEEP SAYING NOT BACK AND FORTH, BUT IF WE CAN ANSWER SOMETHING SIMPLY, WE'LL WE'LL TRY TO CHECK IT OFF.

PULL THIS DOWN. SIR RICHARD SPROUSE I LIVE AT 451 TERRACE DRIVE, WHICH IS OUR BACKYARD, COMES RIGHT UP TO THE 11TH FAIRWAY OF THE CURRENT GOLF COURSE, AND I'VE NOT REALLY GOT A GOOD FEEL OF WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THAT AREA. I KNOW THAT WHERE THE POND IS DOWN BELOW, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT BIG POND IS GOING TO BE, AND TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE HERE ON THE BOARD THAT THAT IS AN AREA THAT FLOODS A GREAT DEAL.

SO THERE'S A WATER ISSUE THERE, BUT I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NICE CLEAR VIEW OF OUR BACKYARD, AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE DWELLINGS. AND I DON'T GET A GOOD FEEL OF WHAT SIZE DWELLINGS AND WHAT KIND OF SPACE FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE TO THOSE DWELLINGS WE WILL HAVE. ARE THEY GOING TO BE RIGHT UP AGAINST OUR PROPERTY LINE, OR IS THERE GOING TO BE AN OPEN SPACE FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE TO THAT BUILDING? THAT IS A QUESTION I HAVE FOR, AND I THINK ALL OF THOSE WHO LIVE ON TERRACE DRIVE WOULD HAVE.

AND I APOLOGIZE. IS THAT THE ROAD GOING INTO TIMBER WOODS? NO, I DON'T KNOW MY ROADS AS GOOD AS I SHOULD.

TERRACE IS IF YOU GO, IF YOU SHOW THE PICTURE WHERE THE RETENTION POND IS FOR LONDON.

YOU KNOW, OFF OF LONDON AVENUE AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, HERE'S LONDON AVENUE AND WE'RE IN.

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THIS CORNER HERE. OVER HERE IS THE CLUBHOUSE.

OKAY. SO, SO. AND AND WHERE? THE ROW. WHERE THE.

DOUBLE. YOU KNOW, DOUBLE RANCHES. YES. OKAY. OKAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE I KNOW THAT WHERE THE RETENTION POND IS.

YEAH. AND I KNOW THAT'S WHERE GOING IN, BUT WE CAN'T GET A FEEL FROM THE MAPS THAT WE SEE.

WE CAN'T GET A FEEL OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN REGARDS TO OPEN SPACE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY NICE VIEW NOW, AND I'M SORRY, I JUST WOULD BE VERY UP AGAINST HAVING ANY DWELLINGS RIGHT THERE.

YOU KNOW, I'M COMING OUT MY BACKYARD. AND NOW I'M GOING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, TWO STOREY OR WHATEVER DWELLINGS, YOU KNOW, IN MY NICE OPEN VIEW RIGHT NOW. BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE THAT AND I CAN'T WE CAN'T GET A REAL GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, JUST IN THE VERY FUZZY MAPS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC.

OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, I KEEP ADDING COMMENTS. THIS IS SKETCH PLAN.

SO IF WE UNDERSTAND PROCEED, THEN WE WOULD GET MORE INTO DETAILS.

BUT SO THAT'S PART I WOULD JUST LIKE THEM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS AND WHAT WOULD BE THE OPEN SPACE.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

HI, I'M KELLY DARROW. I LIVE AT 1595 BAHIA DRIVE.

I'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, SO I GUESS I JUST HAVE THIS FULL.

I'M SORRY. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

LIKE, IF THERE WERE TO BE A DEVELOPMENT, WOULD ANY OF THE CURRENT LANDSCAPING BEEN TAKEN INTO EFFECT, LIKE SAVING SOME TREES CREEKS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, WOULD THAT BE TAKEN INTO EFFECT AS WELL AS THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES OR DWELLINGS? WOULD THERE BE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE FOR 38? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GARY JACKSON. I LIVE AT 723 WEDGEWOOD DRIVE IN TIMBERVIEW.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND YOU LADIES ALLOWING US TO SPEAK HERE TONIGHT AND TO GIVE SOME OF OUR COMMENTS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO OPEN BY SAYING I'M VERY IMPRESSED BY THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE.

THE DEVELOPER AND HIS COMMENTS TONIGHT. AND THE REASON I'M VERY IMPRESSED IS BECAUSE I'VE NEVER I JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN MY MAKEUP.

I DON'T IT'S NOT IN MY BEING THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO SIT IN FRONT OF SO MANY PEOPLE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL THAT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES WILL GO DOWN, THAT ARE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.

HE'S TALKED ABOUT ALLEYWAYS. ALLEYWAYS ARE DARK AT NIGHT.

THEY INVITE CRIME. I COULDN'T LOOK AT ALL THESE PEOPLE IN BACK AND TELL THEM THAT I'M GOING TO CHANGE WHAT THEY BOUGHT INTO SOMETIMES 20, 30, 40 YEARS AGO. AND WHAT THEY THEY THEY LOVE THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEY LOVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I COULDN'T SIT IN FRONT OF THEM AND TELL THEM THAT I WANTED I WANT TO POTENTIALLY DESTROY ALL THAT FOR AN ALMIGHTY DOLLAR.

BUT THE ALL. BUT THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR TENDS TO BE A POWERFUL APHRODISIAC.

BUT I DID WANT TO I DID WANT TO MAYBE ANSWER ONE QUESTION.

AND, MR. FISHER, I BELIEVE IT CAME FROM YOU. WHY DID YOU LEAVE ONE SIDE EXECUTIVE? IT'S AN EXECUTIVE GOLF COURSE. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY PAR FIVES.

WHY DID YOU LEAVE? ONE SIDE EXECUTIVE AND ONE SIDE PAR THREE.

COME ON. I DON'T THINK THAT QUESTION NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED BECAUSE I COME FROM A LONG LINE OF GOLFERS, MY ENTIRE FAMILY. SO MUCH SO THAT I'M SICK OF GOLF TODAY.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS. MY LINE GOES FROM A COUSIN THAT PLAYED TWICE IN THE MASTERS TO A FATHER THAT WAS A TEACHING PRO AND SPENT HIS LIFE ON GOLF COURSES, AND IF MY LATE FATHER WERE HERE TONIGHT, HE WOULD TELL YOU, IF YOU TURN ONE SIDE OF THAT GOLF COURSE INTO A PAR THREE, NO ONE WILL COME TO IT AND NO ONE WILL PAY GREENS FEES TO PLAY IT.

ALL OF THE ALL OF THE WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE HAVE, WE SEE GOING ON THERE WHERE THEY HAVE BENEFITS FOR THINGS.

AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF GOLFERS POPULATING OUR GOLF COURSE, WHICH WE WE WONDERFULLY INVITE.

IT WILL BE GONE. I BELIEVE THE DEVELOPER KNOWS THAT BECAUSE THE GREEN SPACE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,

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HE WANTS PART OF THAT GREEN SPACE, AND THAT WILL BE THE PAR THREE.

AND SOMEDAY IT'LL BE THE NINE HOLE, BECAUSE NOBODY COMES TO PLAY AN EXECUTIVE NINE HOLE AND ALL WE WANT.

THERE'S, THERE'S A THERE'S A HUGE THING GOING ON HERE TONIGHT.

I MOVED TO THIS THIS COMMUNITY BACK IN 95 AND MOVED TO TIMBERVIEW IN 99.

AND I CAME HERE BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE. THERE'S A SAYING OUT HERE IN MONACO-VILLE.

IT'S CALLED TBMM PROUD TO BE A MONARCH. AND WE'RE PROUD OF THE PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT US, BECAUSE OUT HERE, MONARCHS DO RIGHT BY ONE ANOTHER AND THEY WATCH OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER, AND THEY MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND DEVELOP AND HURT PEOPLE BY MAKING SOME MONEY OFF OF OFF OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S BEEN WONDERFUL FOR YEARS. MONARCHS DON'T DO THAT TO ONE ANOTHER.

SO YOU GUYS HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY HERE TONIGHT, AND I HOPE YOU'LL THINK THAT THROUGH.

AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HELLO, BONNIE. KALTENBACH, 433 TERRACE DRIVE.

SO I'M ON THE NORTH END OF SUBAREA A I HAVE 4 OR 5 QUESTIONS AND YOU CAN PUT THEM DOWN.

SO I ITERATE THE THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. IT IS A PROBLEM GETTING OUT ON LONDON AVENUE.

NOW. MUCH LESS IF YOU ADD 4 OR 500 MORE CARS.

I JUST MOVED INTO MY HOME IN NOVEMBER. HAD I KNOWN I WAS GOING TO HAVE CONDOS, APARTMENTS, TOWNHOMES IN MY BACKYARD, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT IT.

AND THAT'S VERY SAD, BECAUSE I LOVE SITTING IN MY BACKYARD AND ENJOYING THE NATURE.

SO TRAFFIC. AND YES, I HAVE TO DODGE GOLF BALLS, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

THERE IS A CREEK CURRENTLY THAT RUNS THROUGH SECTION A.

NOTHING HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO. I KNOW THERE'S A RETENTION POND, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO CLOSE IN THAT CREEK OR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO IT.

FIND MY OTHER NOTES HERE. JUST A SECOND. AGAIN, THE BUFFER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BETWEEN OUR BACKYARDS AND TO WHEREVER THE TOWNHOMES.

SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IS THAT GOING TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO US, OR IS THERE GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE THERE? AND IS THAT REALLY GOING TO BE A POND OR A RETENTION POND THAT'S ONLY WET WHEN IT RAINS? OR IS IT GOING TO BE A HOLE IN THE GROUND THAT ONLY HAS WATER WHEN IT RAINS? OKAY, LET'S SEE IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. OH, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.

GRANTED, I'VE ONLY MOVED THERE IN NOVEMBER, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY ON TIMBERVIEW OR ON ON TERRACE DRIVE THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN ANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. WE ARE A NEIGHBOR. WE WOULD APPRECIATE BEING INCLUDED IN THIS DISCUSSION.

OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HI, I'M CATHERINE DORAN. I LIVE AT 771 HICKORY HILL.

I MOVED THERE A YEAR AGO AND I WAS NOT IN ANY MEETING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

RIGHT NOW, OUR HOMES ALONG THERE ARE SEVEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE TERRACE VIEWS.

LOOKS LIKE SINGLE, SINGLE LEVEL. ALSO HOMES. I THINK IT'S ABOUT JUST EYEBALLING IT 25FT HIGH.

I'M PRETTY CONCERNED LOOKING AT THE PACKET THAT THERE'S FROM THE LOT LINE.

THERE'S A BUFFER, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING TONIGHT.

WHAT THAT BUFFER IS I SAW TOWARDS LONDON AVENUE 3 OR 4FT OF A MOUND, MAYBE SOME SCATTERED TREES.

BUT WHEN WE HAVE 2 TO 3 STORY TOWNHOUSES, 20FT, IT'S SHOWN IN THAT DRAWING IN THE PACKET.

A FEW PEOPLE ASKED ABOUT THAT. IT SAYS 20FT. SO SOME KIND OF BUFFER DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

20FT. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 2 TO 3 STORIES LOOKING IN.

AND I HAVE 17 WINDOW PANELS. MOST OF OUR WINDOWS AND OUR HOMES ARE ON THE BACK OF OUR HOMES.

SO WE'LL HAVE THEM LOOKING DOWN A 3 TO 4FT MOUND OR SOMETHING.

I'M REALLY CONCERNED OF WHAT THAT BUFFER IS SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, LOOMING, STUFFED PRETTY TIGHT IN THERE TO THIS PLAN. I CAN'T TELL WHEN I LOOK AT THE CONCEPT PICTURES WE JUST SAW, MOST OF THEM WERE WIDER THAN THE LITTLE SLOTTED SIDE BY SIDE, TWO UNIT ONES BACKING UP TO THE SEVEN HOMES ON OUR SIDE.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. THERE ARE ALSO ABOUT 80 TREES ALONG BEHIND THE SEVEN HOMES ON HICKORY HILL.

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MOST OF THOSE ARE OLD OAK TREES. THERE'S A LOT OF BIRDS IN THERE.

IT'S A BUSY PLACE. THE PACKET DRAWINGS SAID REMOVE VEGETATION THROUGHOUT THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. RIGHT. THIS IS MUCH LESS YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST LESS SQUARE FOOT OF GREEN SPACE.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO RIP OUT THINGS THAT WOULD TAKE FOREVER TO GROW BACK.

SO ALSO I WANT TO KNOW LET'S SEE. JUST ALSO WANT TO COMMENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST, BOTH SIDES, THEY PAID A PREMIUM TO HAVE LOTS FACING THAT GREEN SPACE.

THAT'S A GOLF COURSE. NOW, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT A GIVEN THAT WE'D ALWAYS HAVE THAT, BUT THIS JUST SEEMS EXCESSIVE TO ME RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN IS THERE LIKE, THIS IS A COMPANY THAT YOUR COMPANY IS DESIGNING OR SOMETHING? IS THERE GOING TO BE IS THERE A DEVELOPER THAT'S ACTUALLY DOING THIS SO WE COULD LOOK INTO THEM PROPOSED LET'S SAY PROPOSED.

RIGHT. AND THEN THAT'S ONE OF THEM. AND THEN THE PROPERTIES LIKE WOULD PEOPLE COME IN THERE AND BUY THEM AND RUN THEM OUT TO PEOPLE.

AND THEN ALSO WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THESE PROPERTIES? THAT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL. WHEN I'VE SEEN OTHER PACKETS, PEOPLE SHOW HOA'S AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TOM TOWNHOUSES. YOU DON'T GET HOA'S.

SO WILL THERE BE FENCES OR WHAT'S THE RULES FOR GARBAGE STRUCTURES? THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON HICKORY HILL AND THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S VERY WELL MAINTAINED, VERY CAREFUL. AND THE OWNERS ARE VERY INVOLVED.

SO I'M QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR I WOULD HAVE NEVER BOUGHT IN THERE IF I KNEW THIS WAS GOING ON.

I ASKED ABOUT I HEARD RUMORS, I WAS TOLD NO ONE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF IT.

I TRIED TO CALL ZONING. I DIDN'T GET ANSWERS BACK ON THIS.

BEFORE WHEN I WAS IN CONTRACT. AND THEN AGAIN, I'LL SAY I THINK IT WAS BONNIE LONDON AVENUE TRAFFIC.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT CAN TAKE ANY MORE. I CROSSED MY BIKE AROUND THERE.

IT'S ONE OF THE WORST PLACES IN TOWN. I RIDE MY BIKE ALL OVER TOWN.

I LOVE THE BIKE TRAIL, BUT LONDON AVENUE SEEMS PRETTY HEAVY RIGHT NOW ON TRAFFIC AND IT'S ABOUT IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A LEFT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'D FIT. I FORGET UPPER TWO HUNDREDS OF UNITS.

AND THEN JUST IN CONCLUSION, I WANT TO URGE THE ZONING.

I'M GLAD YOU ASKED SOME OF THOSE GOOD QUESTIONS ON THE DENSITY, AND THAT PROBABLY MY MAIN CONCERNS, LIKE THE DISTANCE FROM THE EXISTING HOUSES. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS DISPARITY OF HEIGHT.

AND I THINK YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THREE STORY FROM LONDON AVENUE ALL THE WAY OUT, MILFORD AVENUE, IF WE'RE PUTTING THAT KIND OF HEIGHT IN WHERE EVERYTHING ELSE IS ONE STORY.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, I'M JILL SEACREST, I LIVE AT 683 WEDGEWOOD DRIVE.

IT'S IN TIMBERVIEW. AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT SOME OF YOU DID MENTION ABOUT THE DENSENESS.

IT JUST DOESN'T FIT. IT DOES NOT FIT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU GO ON PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY AND LOOK AT THOSE TOWNHOUSES, TWO PEOPLE FROM EACH HOUSE COULD TOUCH HANDS AND TOUCH THEIR HOUSE.

THERE IS NO SPACE IN BETWEEN THEM. THERE'S NOT MORE THAN TEN FEET BETWEEN THOSE HOUSES.

AND THERE IS NO NONE OF OUR HOUSES IN TIMBERVIEW.

COULD YOU EVER DO THAT? WE HAVE LOTS OF SPACE.

MOST OF THEM, I THINK, ARE AT LEAST A THIRD ACRE OR CLOSE TO IT.

SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. DENSENESS AND THEN THEY MENTIONED ABOUT THEY WILL PUT THE ALLEYS BEHIND THE HOUSES SO THE GARAGES WOULD BE BACK THERE, BUT YET THERE'S PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THEM.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE CARS EVERYWHERE IN THE ALLEYS AND IN FRONT.

AND IT JUST JUNKS UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN CARS ARE EVERYWHERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE ALL OVER ALL THE NEW PLACES IN TOWN.

AND SPEAKING OF NEW PLACES, I HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVES ON BUCHMAIER AND ALREADY THE HOUSE NEXT TO HER.

SHE PAID OVER $400,000 FOR A NEW HOUSE. THE HOUSE NEXT TO HER IS BEING RENTED AND THERE ARE FOUR MORE, I THINK SHE SAID FOUR MORE THAT ARE GOING TO BE RENTED.

AND YEAH, I MEAN, SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE WAS THERE THAT AGAIN, REITERATING THAT THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY BAD.

SOME IT DEPENDS ON TIME OF DAY, BUT LOTS OF TIMES YOU SIT THERE FOR A LONG TIME TO GET OUT OF TIMBERVIEW AND AND THEN BACKING UP WHAT BART SAID.

IF THE GOLF COURSE ISN'T DOING ANY BUSINESS, GUESS WHAT? WE'LL BUILD THE REST OF IT UP. JUST LIKE THE PLANS NOW, WHICH WE LIVED THERE.

WE BUILT OUR HOUSE 29 YEARS AGO. THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO BECAUSE NONE OF THE NEW HOUSES ARE AS NICE AS CUSTOM BUILT HOMES, WHICH WE ALL HAVE CUSTOM BUILT HOMES IN TIMBERVIEW.

SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I'M ALMOST 70 YEARS OLD.

I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS NOW. I THOUGHT WE WERE SET.

SO ANYWAY, PLEASE HAVE COMPASSION FOR US. THANK YOU.

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GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO US.

MY NAME IS LARRY WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 615 TIMBERVIEW IT'LL BE TEN YEARS THIS COMING FALL.

I TOO AM AGAINST THIS REZONING. I FEEL, FIRST OF ALL TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO TRAFFIC DOWN OUR WAY IS NEVER TRY TO TURN LEFT.

COMING OUT OF TIMBERVIEW ON ROUTE 38. I'M FROM PRETTY MUCH 8:00 IN THE MORNING TILL TEN AND 11 AT NIGHT.

THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC DOWN THERE, BUT I ALSO FEEL, SIR, THAT THIS IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE.

YOU CAN'T UNRING THIS BELL ONCE IT'S WRONG, AND ONCE YOU START LOWERING THE STANDARDS FOR PROPERTIES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WHERE, WHERE WHERE DOES IT END? SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US.

AND I TOO AM AGAINST THIS REZONING. THANK YOU SIR.

HELLO, MY NAME IS KENNY SMITH. I LIVE AT 1374 LONDON AVENUE.

THERE'S A LOT WISER PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAN I, SO I HOPE YOU'RE TAKING A LOT OF NOTES.

I MEAN THAT KINDLY I WILL SAY THAT I THINK TWO THINGS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME.

ONE IS YOU TALKED ABOUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE END USER.

I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THAT.

I THINK NUMBER TWO IS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OWNER OF THE GOLF COURSE'S LEGACY.

THERE'S A LOT OF LEGACIES IN HERE, AND THEY MATTER.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER IS THOSE TWO THINGS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU SIR.

OH GOOD EVENING. AARON STOREY, 110 COLLINGWOOD DRIVE.

YOU KNOW, IN THE IN THE SPRING OF 88, MY WIFE AND I WERE JUST BEGINNING TO BUILD OUR NEW HOME ON LINDEN AVENUE.

AND, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEN, WE'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF LOOKING, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET ONTO A GOLF COURSE FROM OUR HOME.

AND I GUESS I NEVER DREAMED A FACILITY LIKE THIS OR THIS, THIS FACILITY WOULD BE ANYTHING BUT A GOLF COURSE GOING INTO, YOU KNOW, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING. AND NOW I'M FACED, ALONG WITH MY NEIGHBORS TO DEFEND MY TO DEFEND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FROM A HIGH DENSITY HOUSING COMPLEX AND TRY TO KEEP FROM STARING AT THREE STORY BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.

AND SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, 37, 37 YEARS, IT'S GOODBYE TO THE VIEW.

YOU KNOW, TIMBER VIEW IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE NICEST, IF NOT THE NICEST RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN MARYSVILLE AND THE SURROUNDING HOMES ON LINDEN AVENUE AND GREENWOOD COLONY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WELL KEPT AND ADDING TO THE SOUTH END OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF THIS PROPERTY WERE TO BE REDEVELOPED, IT SHOULD BE WITH EXECUTIVE STYLE HOMES, JUST LIKE IN TIMBERVIEW OR LEFT AS A GOLF COURSE.

IF IT WAS TO BE REZONED, IT NEEDS TO BE REZONED PSD AND GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT OUT JUST LIKE TIMBERVIEW IS NOW.

AND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT 261 UNITS BEING BUILT OF TOWNHOMES, THREE STORY TOWNHOMES ATTACHED AND DETACHED SINGLE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH MINIMUM LOT SIZES.

THESE ARE STANDARD CITY LOTS. THEY'RE NOT GREAT BIG IT JUST DOESN'T FIT.

YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T FIT THE SOUTH END. AND WHEN THEY START TALKING ABOUT CARS.

261 UNITS. THAT'S AT LEAST 500 CARS A DAY THAT ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING UP AND DOWN LONDON AVENUE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SAID REPEATED BEFORE LONDON AVENUE.

TRAFFIC IS IS TOUGH WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT AND GO.

BUT THE OTHER PIECE IS WHERE I LIVE. TWO THIRDS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS COMING OUT.

ONE ENTRANCE ON THE COLLINGWOOD DRIVE, YOU KNOW, WITH 170 ON ONE END AND 90 ON THE OTHER.

YOU GOT ONE IN AND OUT FOR ALL THIS NORTH END DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT A FINAL SKETCH PLAN, WHICH I KNOW THE CITY STAFF HAVE LOOKED AT. IT'S BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT.

SHOWS HIGH DENSITY HOUSING ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ENDS WITH A CHOPPED UP PAR THREE GOLF COURSE, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED. THE PAR THREE COURSE.

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FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I'M NOT MUCH OF A GOLFER.

SO WITH THIS COURSE GOING UP AGAINST REGULATION, 18 HOLE GOLF COURSES, NICE ONES IN MARYSVILLE.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THIS, BEFORE THIS GOES DOWN AND LEASE THAT NORTH END PROPERTY.

THAT PAR THREE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME. IF YOU ZONE THIS PUD BEFORE THIS DEVELOPER AND INVESTOR COMES BACK TO CHANGE THAT PUD TO PUT MORE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR THE PSD.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING TO US TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. I KNOW THEY DISCUSSED QUITE A FEW THINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NAME AND ADDRESS.

OH, SORRY. SCOTT ZINK, 854 WEDGEWOOD. THANK YOU.

TALKING ABOUT THE THREE CORE, THREE PAR THREE.

YES. IT'S GOING TO GO IN THE TOILET. UNFORTUNATELY, MY GUT FEELING ON THIS THING AND LISTENING TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT DESCRIBED THE PLANS WAS MY OPINION WAS SHADY, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCES IN WHAT WAS PUT OUT THERE. THESE HOMES ARE NOT GOING TO BE GOING FOR $1 MILLION.

WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL HOMES IN TIMBER VIEW AND THEY'RE NOT GOING FOR $1 MILLION.

NEXT THING WE GOT TALKING ABOUT IS SCHOOLING.

WE HAVE ALL THESE NEW HOMES. SCHOOLS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS, ALL RIGHT? THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE THE WAY IT IS.

ANOTHER THING. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE WATER SYSTEM? BECAUSE I KNOW ON THE HOMES ON TIMBER VIEW, BACKED BY THE 16TH, I THINK IT IS THE WE FLOOD AND WE FLOOD A LOT.

NOW WE START PUTTING ALL THESE BUILDINGS UP IN THERE.

THAT WATER IS GOING TO BE RUSHING NEW PLACES.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TRYING TO GET OUT THE WAY IT IS.

SO WE HAVE THAT FLOODING ISSUE. THE REASON WHY I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE, I THINK I HIT THE HIGH POINTS.

SO THANK YOU, SIR, I APPRECIATE IT.

HI, I'M PAULA BODE, 712 WEDGEWOOD DRIVE TIMBERVIEW.

I WANT THE COMMISSION TO, YOU KNOW, HEAR WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMMENTS AND COMPARISONS.

SO I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION TO ALSO CONSIDER THE WEST DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. IT'S A DIFFERENT FEEL THERE, BRICK.

SMALL HOMES THAT ARE TASTEFULLY SPACED, AND THEY SHOULD BE IN THE SAME KIND OF CONVERSATION.

AND WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING LIKE IT'S NOT JUST TIMBERVIEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ALSO THAT I THINK IT'S THE LAKES AT THE LAKES AT TIMBERVIEW.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT HAS DOESN'T HAVE THE DENSITY ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE SUBAREA A AND EVEN SUBAREA B SIDE, THE SUBAREA A SHOULD NOT COUNT THE GOLF COURSE AT ALL AS OPEN AND GREEN SPACE AT ALL.

AND WHAT I AND PARKING LOTS SHOULD NOT BE GREEN OR OPEN SPACE EITHER.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT THEY WILL. I THINK THAT POND IS GOING TO BE A NOT GUARANTEED TO HAVE WATER IN IT ALL THE TIME.

IT'LL HAVE IT WHEN IT FLOODS AND THEN IT'LL BE FULL OF WEEDS WHEN IT'S NOT.

SO THE DENSITY IS A PROBLEM. IN IN MY MIND AND THE SUBAREA B ALSO HAS INTERIOR THREE STOREY TOWNHOUSES WITH NO GREEN SPACE TO TO SPEAK OF, SO IT WOULD REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.

THE PAR THREE COURSE ON THE SUBAREA C A WE HEARD COMMENTS I AGREE WITH THOSE.

BUT ALSO THE TRUNCATION OF HOLE NUMBER TWO ON SUBAREA B IS REALLY GOING TO CHANGE THE FEEL OF THAT. THE NICEST HOLE. IT'S GOING TO REALLY CHANGE THE LOOK OF THAT AREA.

SO RATHER THAN JUST THINK OF TIMBERVIEW, WHICH I LIVE IN THE NEW HOMES ON, ON WHAT IS THAT? BAHIA DRIVE AND EWING MEADOWS AND ALSO THE WEST SIDE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

THANK YOU. HI. MOREY

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ATHERTON, 471 TERRACE DRIVE. I WAS LOOKING OVER THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR APPROVED. AND OF THE 16 DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE 37 OVER 3700 DWELLINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT.

AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN IT'S GOING TO STOP.

WHEN CAN THE GROWTH. MARYSVILLE IS A WONDERFUL PLACE AND IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO I MEAN, IT'S GROWTH.

IT'S FINE. BUT THIS IS 37 NOW. WE'RE GOING TO GO AND IT'S GOING TO BE 4000 NEW DWELLINGS THINGS IN OUR LITTLE BEAUTIFUL TOWN.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO BRING TO THE FOREFRONT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

HI. SHIRLEY HEDRICK 815, WHICH WOULD DRIVE WITH ALL THIS BUILDING IN MARYSVILLE.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S TOO MUCH DENSITY IN TIMBERVIEW.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THE ELECTRIC COMPANY.

CAN THEY TAKE OFF? CAN THEY PROVIDE FOR ALL THESE? IS THERE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, INTERRUPTIONS? WHAT ABOUT THE WATER? IS THERE GOING TO BE LOW WATER PRESSURE? HOW CAN THEY DO THIS. BECAUSE IT'S JUST BUILDING TOO FAST.

AND EVEN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MARYSVILLE HAS PROVIDED OVER THE YEARS LIKE THINGS HAVE PARTNERS PARK THE FRIDAY NIGHTS.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO PROVIDE FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE? THAT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE ADDING TO THE TOWN.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST LOSING ITS HOMETOWN FEEL.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

DAVID PERRY, 769 WEDGEWOOD COURT. ONE THING THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED IS IN THE COURT, THERE'S STILL TWO OPEN LOTS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE RYAN HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COURSE, THAT LINES DIRECTLY UP WITH ONE OF THEIR ROADS THERE.

SO IS THIS LEADING DOWN THE ROAD TO GOING TO A PAR THREE? EVERYTHING SLOWLY STARTING TO SHUT DOWN AND THAT ROAD COME RIGHT INTO OUR COURT.

AND I KNOW LAST YEAR THEY PUT A STREET SIGN UP AT OUR CORNER, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE SINCE.

I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT NINE YEARS. SO THAT'S ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT GOING RIGHT THROUGH INTO OUR COURT AND JUST BRINGING DOWN PROPERTY VALUES.

SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

AMANDA HALL, 575 BERMUDA WAY. I LIVE IN EWING MEADOWS.

THIS DOESN'T DIRECTLY AFFECT ME. I'M NOT ON THE GOLF COURSE, BUT JUST SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WERE DOES THE ZONING CHANGE AFFECT OTHER PARTS OF THE COURSE THAT ARE NOT THE SUBAREA? A AND B, DOES THAT ZONING CHANGE THOSE AREAS, THE GOLF, THE ACTUAL GOLF COURSE AREAS AS WELL.

AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED A MULTIFAMILY? CAN THAT BE CHANGED BY THE DEVELOPER, LIKE PUTTING TOWNHOMES.

THESE ARE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS. CAN THAT BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE TO APARTMENTS OR SOMETHING ELSE WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PROCESS? WHAT, YOU KNOW, IMPACT. I DON'T I DON'T WANT RENTALS THERE PERSONALLY.

SO IF IT HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE, THEN I THINK THAT IS A STRONG CASE TO NOT PASS THIS ZONING.

THE THE MAN WHO JUST PURCHASED THE GOLF COURSE, I'M ASSUMING HE'S NOT A CITIZEN OR WASN'T A CITIZEN OF MARYSVILLE.

SO WHO'S TO SAY IF THINGS DON'T GO THE WAY HE WANTS, THAT HE WON'T JUST SELL? THIS, YOU KNOW, SELL THE GOLF COURSE TO SOMEONE ELSE, AND THEN THEY DEVELOP IT.

I CAN SPEAK TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST ASKED ABOUT THE STREET THAT COMES OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD INTO THE GOLF COURSE.

I THINK THAT WAS JUST A REQUIREMENT, NOT SOMETHING THAT INDICATED THE FUTURE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE PROBABLY CONSIDERING AS A POSSIBILITY.

LET'S SEE IF I WROTE ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAIN QUESTIONS.

THANKS. THANK YOU. OH, I THOUGHT THERE WAS.

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MARK KERR 453 ON TIMBERVIEW. IF YOU READ THE ROOM, NOBODY WANTS THE ZONING CHANGED ON THIS.

NOT A PERSON HERE. WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.

WE GOT SOMEBODY HERE THAT WANTS THE ZONING CHANGED ON THIS.

THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.

NUMBER ONE, THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE MONUMENTAL.

THEY'RE GIVING YOU CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS WHEN THEY SAY THERE'S 250.

RESIDENCES. WE KNOW THAT. AND IT WAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE THAT.

NONE OF THESE HAVE BASEMENTS. AND SO THE GARAGE TURNS INTO A BASEMENT, WHICH MEANS ALL THE CARS ARE PARKED ON THE DRIVEWAYS OR IN THE STREETS.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY SOMEBODY HAS BROUGHT THAT UP, TRY TO GO DOWN THOSE STREETS AND THEY'RE CROWDED.

THE SECOND THING YOU BROUGHT UP DOWN THERE IS THE.

HIGH DENSITY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NICE, PRETTY COLORED PHOTOGRAPHS WE HAVE OF THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S ALL GRAY OR BLACK, WHICH MEANS THOSE ARE ROOFS AND OR ASPHALT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT CONCRETE DRIVES AND STREETS IN THERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ASPHALT. THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT AS CHEAP AS POSSIBLE.

THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A MASSIVE HEAT SINK. AND AS SOON AS THE PEOPLE FIND OUT THAT YOUR AIR CONDITIONING BILL IS MONUMENTAL BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE EXTRA, SHALL WE SAY, URBAN SPRAWL, NOBODY'S GOING TO BUY THERE.

AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO RENT. WELL, WE GOT ENOUGH RENTAL PROPERTIES AROUND.

WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE. SO REALLY, THERE'S NO REASON AT ALL TO HAVE THOSE WHAT THEY CALL CONDOS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE RENTAL PROPERTIES WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL THEM.

THE THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS REALLY FRAUGHT WITH PROBLEMS. AND YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE BOUGHT IN THERE KNOWING THAT IT WAS ZONED A CERTAIN WAY AND IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE ZONED FOR URBAN BLIGHT, BECAUSE WITHIN TEN YEARS THIS WILL BE URBAN BLIGHT.

IT'S TOO HIGH DENSITY. AND SO I WOULD DEFINITELY ASK YOU GUYS NOT TO REZONE IT, LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.

YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.

HELLO I'M ALEX ROZANSKI 524 TIMBERVIEW DRIVE.

ALL ORGANIZATIONS HAVE DOCTRINE, RIGHT? AS A VETERAN ARMY OFFICER, I CONSULTED DOCTRINE ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND ALL OF MY ACTIONS ALIGNED WITH DOCTRINE. RIGHT.

CITY OF MARYSVILLE. OUR DOCTRINE, OUR CODIFIED ORDINANCES, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTED IN 2008 BY CITY COUNCIL.

2018. YES. THANK YOU. AS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I ALWAYS HAD A COPY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN FRONT OF ME, AND I JUDGED ALL PROPOSED REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT AGAINST THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

2018 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. DELIBERATELY SHOWS THE ENTIRE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY AS OPEN SPACE.

IT IS MENTIONED THERE TWICE, MOST PROMINENTLY ON PAGE 53.

YES, THERE IS A FLAW IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE IT ALSO SHOWS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

MR. BEARD, ON HIS SUMMARY DOES POINT OUT THAT FLAW IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BUT WHEN YOU PUT THE TWO OVERLAYS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, WHICH IS PAGE 53.

IT SHOWS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AS OPEN SPACE.

CONSIDER THAT AGAINST OUR OTHER DEVELOPED OPEN SPACE HERE IN THE CITY.

USING THE SAME LOGIC, IF YOU ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS DELIBERATELY PLANNED OPEN SPACE, GREENWOOD PARK, ACROSS THE STREET RIGHT ON THE EAST SIDE OF LONDON AVENUE, WHICH IS A DEVELOPED CITY PARK, POTENTIALLY COULD BE REDEVELOPED INTO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

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SO IT IS A IS A FLAW IN OUR PLAN. SINCE 2018, CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN DELIBERATE ON REZONING THE GOLF COURSE.

RIGHT. INITIALLY IT WAS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

IN 2021, IT WAS AFTER THE PUBLICATION OF THE PLAN.

IT WAS THEN REZONED SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL AND IN THE SAME YEAR AGAIN TO ITS CURRENT ZONING OF AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, NO LARGER, NO SMALLER THAN ONE ACRE, ONE UNIT PER ACRE.

THAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING IN A DELIBERATE ACT BY OUR CITY COUNCIL.

IF IF YOU WERE TO ENTERTAIN THE NOTION THAT ANY OF THE GOLF COURSE WERE TO BE REDEVELOPED INTO RESIDENTIAL RIGHT.

THE CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN SHOWS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AT THE MOST DUPLEX.

THAT IS THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF TIME WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I WOULD JUDGE THAT THAT STANDARD IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AGAINST WHAT WAS PRESENTED. OBVIOUSLY, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS NOT DUPLEXES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT 6 TO 8 UNIT BUILDINGS THREE STORIES TALL.

SO I JUST IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE CONSIDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS YOUR DOCTRINE.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, JEAN MILLER, 1103 LONDON AVENUE.

I'M THE PROPERTY UP AT THE TOP RIGHT CORNER. THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALLOWING US TO COME AND SPEAK TONIGHT.

YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR JOB AHEAD OF YOU. I DON'T ENVY THAT AT ALL.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE THINGS.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MENTIONED THAT THEY WEREN'T A PART OF THE PROCESS AND STUFF UP THAT I MISSED THE FIRST MEETING, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED IN SOME OF THOSE, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION EITHER FROM SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD OR THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE HAD AS WELL.

I THINK ALEX HIT IT ON THE HEAD. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE VERY SERIOUSLY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO AND THREE STORY HOMES, BUT EVERY SINGLE HOME AROUND THAT NORTH END IS SINGLE STORY, SORRY, I'M ALL OF THOSE AROUND THERE ARE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ACROSS THE STREET ON LONDON AVENUE.

THERE'S ONE TWO STORY HOUSE. THAT'S IT. THERE'S NO OTHER THREE STORY.

THERE'S NO OTHER TWO STORY AGAINST THOSE PROPERTIES, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, OR ANYWHERE AROUND THOSE.

SO I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO NOTE, THAT THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT FEEL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHAT IT IS, THE WAY THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SET UP.

NOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PLENTY OF GROUNDS FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT, YES, THERE MAY NEED TO BE REDEVELOPMENT, AND WE UNDERSTAND THE OWNER MAY NEED TO HE NEEDS TO MAKE THE GOLF COURSE PROFITABLE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS SUSTAINABLE.

I UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS, BY THE WAY. HE'S BEEN GREAT TO TALK TO AND AND HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ABOUT SOME OF OUR CONCERNS AND EVEN WITH THE DEVELOPER AND TRYING TO TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE. HOPEFULLY THOSE WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

BUT FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN TONIGHT, THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE CHANGES TO ANYTHING FROM WHAT CAME OUT OF THE LAST MEETING THAT I WAS AT.

AND I WOULD ASK THIS BOARD TO OBVIOUSLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS I SAT ON MY DRIVEWAY THE OTHER DAY AND I TIMED IT.

IT TOOK ME FIVE MINUTES TO GET OUT OF MY HOUSE ON LINDEN AVENUE ONTO 38.

FIVE MINUTES. THAT'S THE CURRENT STATE THAT'S THERE.

THEY JUST WENT THROUGH AND REDID ALL THE CURBS AND PUT IN NEW STORM SEWERS AND SO FORTH.

PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS UNDERSIZED AND SO FORTH.

SINCE THEN, THE CITY STORM SEWER PLUGGED AND I GOT ALL OF THE WATER OFF OF LINDEN AVENUE DOWN BOTH SIDES OF MY HOUSE, AND IT PUSHED THE FRONT FOUNDATION WALL ON MY HOUSE.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF WITH THIS.

I DON'T THINK ANY RETENTION POND THERE IS GOING TO BE BIG ENOUGH FOR THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S COMING IN OFF OF THE OFF OF THE SPACE THAT'S COVERED UP WITH ASPHALT, WITH ROOFS AND SO FORTH. THE OTHER PART IS JUST THE FEEL.

AND THIS IS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. TIMBERVIEW IS A PLACE THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WOULD SAY THAT THIS WAS THEIR FOREVER HOMES.

THIS WAS OURS. WE MOVED HERE 20.5 YEARS AGO TO HELP START A CHURCH.

I TOLD MY WIFE WHEN WE MOVED TO MARYSVILLE, WE CAN BUY OUR CEMETERY PLOTS HERE.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE. AND SO WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY KNOWING THAT THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO WANT TO BE.

AND SO FORTH. I'M NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING TWO STORY TOWNHOMES AND THREE STORY CONDOS DIRECTLY NEXT TO OUR PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. EVEN WITH THE BUFFER AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S A POWER LINE THAT RUNS DOWN THROUGH THERE THAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED AND KEPT, THAT SERVES PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE WEST SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY BEYOND THIS DEVELOPMENT AND SO FORTH.

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SO I'M ASKING YOU GUYS, PLEASE TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAKES SURE THAT WE AS CITIZENS DO HAVE A VOICE IN THIS.

WORK WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER GETS DECIDED HERE, THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT OF THIS, THAT CAN BE A WIN WIN. AND I THINK THERE IS A SOLUTION SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS HEARD, SO PLEASE.

I'M BILLY SPROUSE FROM TERRACE DRIVE. WE DID NOT GET INVITED TO THE FIRST MEETING, SO WE KNEW NOTHING EXCEPT BY WORD OF MOUTH. EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN GOING AROUND, GOING AROUND, GOING AROUND. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WHERE WE ARE ON THIS.

WHERE WE LIVE ON THIS MAP. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE WE LIVE ON THIS MAP? LET'S SEE. A TERRACE. IT'S THE 11TH FAIRWAY OF THE GOLF COURSE.

CURRENT GOLF COURSE ALONG THE TOP. YEAH. OKAY.

GO OVER HERE. OKAY. SEE THAT? ONE. TWO. THREE.

FOUR. DOWN. THAT'S YOU GUYS. OKAY.

SO WE. ARE LOOKING AT WHAT? WHAT'S WHAT'S THIS? WHAT ARE THESE GOING TO BE. ARE THEY GOING TO BE TOWNHOMES OR.

I BELIEVE IN THAT AREA. ARE SINGLE FAMILY SHARED OR ATTACHED DUPLEXES? DUPLEXES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THREE STORIES ON THE YELLOWISH GREEN.

YEAH. THE 2A3A THOSE ARE WHAT THEY ARE DISCUSSING AS BEING THE THREE STORY.

BUT THE ALONG LIKE YOUR BACKYARD WOULD BE DUPLEXES, A TWO STORY.

HOW FAR ARE THOSE DUPLEXES GOING TO BE? OH. WHAT'S THAT? I THINK IT'S TEN FOOT BUFFER WITH A 20 FOOT SETBACK.

30FT TOTAL. SO, YEAH, MINIMUM 30FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE BE HOW HOW FAR? 30FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 32. 30FT FROM 30FT.

30FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. BASICALLY ON THE 11TH FAIRWAY.

WELL, IT MAY SOUND IGNORANT, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE KNOWN NOTHING BUT WORD OF MOUTH.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS FAIR, THAT WE. I MEAN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF HOMES THERE.

THERE IS A ROAD THAT LEADS FROM LONDON AVENUE AROUND THE GOLF COURSE.

AND LIKE SOMEONE MENTIONED, THERE IS A POWER LINE THERE BEHIND US.

THAT THE BRICK HOMES THAT WERE BUILT BEHIND US ON THE 11TH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT AREA IS, BUT WHOEVER DEVELOPED IT SOMEONE FROM THE CITY DID COME OUT AND TALK TO ME.

THEY DISRUPTED A A WATER SOURCE. AND SO WE GET, WHEN IT RAINS, WATER FROM UP WHERE THE BRICK HOUSES ARE DOWN TO US AT 451, 51 AND IT STOPS. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT IT STOPS.

AND IT'S ALWAYS MURKY, MUDDY WATER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT ROAD. THAT'S A THAT'S A ROAD THAT IS GOING TO BE HAVE THE POWER LINES MAINTAINED, THE TREES GET CUT BACK.

A NUMBER OF THINGS COME IN ON THAT ROAD. I'M JUST I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT NATURAL SPRING AND THEN WHERE THAT POND IS RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST A LINE OF WEEDS BEFORE THE WEEDS

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WERE LET DEVELOP. WHEN IT WOULD RAIN, THAT WATER WOULD COME ALL THE WAY OVER.

YOU HAVE 30S. OKAY. THAT WATER WOULD COME ALL THE WAY OVER.

I'M NOT TRYING TO CUT YOU OFF. I THINK YOU NEED TO.

I THINK THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO LOOK AT ALL THE WATER SOURCE THAT'S THERE.

THE LINES AND SO ON. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT TERRACE DRIVE ISN'T CONSIDERED A STEPCHILD ANYMORE.

THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE BACK.

MY NAME IS DENISE GALLOWAY. I LIVE AT 1120 LINDEN LONDON AVENUE.

I HAVE TWO CONCERNS. I SIT ON MY FRONT PORCH AND I GET TO WATCH A GOLF, PEOPLE GOLF, AND I GET THE PLEASURE OF THE SUNSET. IF YOU DO THIS ON THAT.

A I BELIEVE WHAT IT IS, I GET TO SIT ON MY FRONT PORCH AND LOOK AT TOWNHOUSES.

ANOTHER BIG CONCERN IS TRAFFIC. I'M NOT ABLE TO RUN ACROSS THE STREET TO CHECK MY MAIL.

I CAN HARDLY GET TO THE MAILBOX. EVEN IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE MAILBOXES.

I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT CANNOT GET BACK AND FORTH.

AND NOW WHEN WE GET OVER THERE, THERE'S NOWHERE TO STAND.

AND THE CITY HAS PLANTED TREES, SO I CAN'T SEE THE TRAFFIC COMING.

SO NOW YOU'RE. THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE JUST RIDICULOUS THERE.

AND I FEEL SORRY FOR MY WONDERFUL NEIGHBOR JEAN.

ALL THEM PEOPLE IS GOING TO BE LOOKING RIGHT DOWN ON HIS HOUSE.

ALL THEM PEOPLE BACK THERE. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WILL, COME BACK UP TO THE PODIUM.

I SEE YOU WROTE DOWN LOTS OF THINGS. WE WROTE DOWN LOTS OF THINGS.

I GUESS I SHOULD SAY CITIZEN COMMENTS HAVE CLOSED AT THIS POINT.

CONTINUE A CONVERSATION WITH THE SPEAKER. SO YOU WROTE DOWN QUESTIONS.

YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH YOUR LIST, AND THEN WE'LL SEE THINGS THAT.

OH, THAT'S QUITE A LIST. IT DEFINITELY IS. YEAH, IT'S QUITE A LIST.

LET'S START WITH THE LET'S START WITH THE WATER.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE WATER. THE, THE THE STORM WATER.

THE STORM WATER. SINCE THIS GOLF COURSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, THE REGULATIONS FOR STORMWATER CONTROL HAVE CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY. PROBABLY AT THAT TIME THERE WAS MINIMAL, IF NO NEED FOR DETENTION.

SO THAT'S WHY WE SEE LARGE PONDS BEING INTRODUCED WHERE THERE WERE NONE BEFORE.

WHEN WE REDEVELOP, IF WE REDEVELOP THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL CURRENT REGULATIONS THAT WOULD INCLUDE NOT JUST QUANTITY, BUT WATER QUALITY, WHICH WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO CLEAN THE WATER BEFORE IT EVEN LEAVES THE SITE.

WE KNOW THERE ARE ISSUES ALONG CERTAIN PARTS OF THE GOLF COURSE THAT AREN'T GRADED CORRECTLY.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE CLOGGED STORM DRAINS OR IF IT WAS JUST GRADED INCORRECTLY.

AND WE'VE HAD I KNOW THAT THE GOLF COURSE OPERATOR HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORS, AND THEY'VE POINTED OUT THESE AREAS THAT THEY'RE EASY TO SEE BECAUSE THEY'RE FULL OF WATER. SO YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ON OUR RADAR THAT WOULD WOULD ULTIMATELY GET IMPROVED WITH THIS, WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS. AS FAR AS THE BUFFERS I'M SORRY.

SURE. ALONG THOSE LINES. SO CAN YOU CLARIFY THE POND? IS IT A RETENTION OR A DETENTION, I.E. WILL IT BE DRY OR WILL IT BE WET? IT'LL BE. IT'LL BE A NICE POND. YES. IT'S IT'S PLANNED TO BE AN AMENITY.

SO IT'S A IS THAT A DETENTION? I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A WET POND.

IT'S NOT A DRY HOLE IN THE GROUND. YEAH. RETAIN.

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THE ARCHITECTS ARE HELPING ME. YEAH. YEAH. I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND I CAN'T. I CAN'T REMEMBER EITHER. SO AND I WILL ALSO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRELIMINARY PLOT. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS.

YES. UNDERSTAND THAT IF THIS WAS TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN YOU PUT MORE ENGINEERING ON IT, THEN, YOU KNOW. SO NOT KNOWING THE FINAL PLAN IS NORMAL AT THIS POINT.

YES. BUT I MEAN, BUT YOU EXPLAINED THAT. YEAH.

AND WE HAVE DONE. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HOLD AND THEN SLOWLY RELEASE WATER.

YOU KNOW, THAT FALLS ON THE PROPERTY. CORRECT.

THAT IS. YEAH, THAT'S THE LAW. CODES MAY NOT HAVE BEEN.

PROBABLY WASN'T WHEN THE GOLF COURSE WAS CREATED.

IF IT WAS DONE IN THE TOWNSHIP, IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED AT ALL.

SO. ALL RIGHT. SO GO AHEAD. ABOUT BUFFERS. OKAY.

BUFFERS. WE KNOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS BUFFERS. THE CITY DOES HAVE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO.

ANYWAY. WE MAY NOT HAVE THOSE GRAPHICALLY PORTRAYED ON THE SITE PLAN AS IT IS TODAY, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

NOT FOR YOU. I WILL COMMIT THAT THAT WE CAN MEET WITH ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY ALONG THIS GOLF COURSE AND ALONG THE OTHER PARTS TO MEET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY. WE CAN SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT WE THINK YOU WILL SEE AND CAN MAKE COMMITMENTS TO EVERYBODY.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO DOING WHATSOEVER.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS MEETING IS OVER WITH IF WE WANT TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION OR WHAT, BUT BUT WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT AND KNOW THAT EACH PERSON'S VANTAGE POINT IS UNIQUE TO THEM.

THIS IS THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

AS FAR AS THE INTENSITY OF BUFFERS, WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE AND WHAT THOSE ARE CURRENTLY, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS MATCH GENERALLY WHAT THE BUFFERS ARE ADJACENT TO US ALREADY.

SO WE'RE AT LEAST GIVING AN EQUAL DISTANCE. SO IF WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT MORE DISTANCE OR WHATEVER, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT I WANT TO OFFER THAT OLIVE BRANCH OUT THERE THAT WE WILL, WILL COMMIT TO, TO MEETING WITH PEOPLE AS THIS GOES FORWARD, IF IT GOES FORWARD THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT PRESERVATION OF STREAMS AND TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE GOLF COURSE. WE DO WANT TO PRESERVE AS MANY OF THOSE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE MATURE.

IT'S VERY HARD TO BRING BACK MATURITY. SOME WILL BE LOST.

WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES WILL BE LOST. IT WON'T BE A CLEAR CUT BY ANY MEANS.

WE'RE RELOCATING. ONE OF THE HOLES ON THE BOTTOM NINE.

THE TOP THE TOP NINE. AGAIN, WE'RE KEEPING TEES AND GREENS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SAVE CLUMPS OF TREES. WILL WE BE ABLE TO SAVE THEM ALL? NO, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. IF A TREE IS IN THE WAY AND IT'S CAUSING THAT PONDING, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE IT TO GET THAT DEALT WITH.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THIS COURSE.

AND WE NEED TO TO PLANT BACK IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING OUT, AND THIS GOLF COURSE DOES SERVE AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND THE NEW HOMES. SO NOT ONLY WILL WE PRESERVE THOSE TREES, BUT WE WILL ENHANCE THEM, ENHANCE THEM, TO PRESERVE THOSE THOSE VIEWS.

AS FAR AS DISTANCES, WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH ANYBODY, I CAN PULL OUT A SCALE, I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT THAT IS.

I KNOW WE'VE DRAWN SECTIONS THROUGH SOME OF THESE DIDN'T BRING THOSE TONIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S AGAIN, PRETTY GRANULAR AT THIS POINT. BUT BUT WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT.

WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS IS ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT AT LEAST 300FT IF MORE BECAUSE WE TRY TO KEEP 150 FOOT WIDTH ON, ON A FAIRWAY. AND WE ALWAYS HAVE GENERALLY TWO FAIRWAYS SIDE BY SIDE AT A MINIMUM.

YOU'RE TALKING OF THE TIMBER VIEW. YEAH. BUT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS ALSO IS CONCERNED.

YEAH. 150 300. YEAH. WE'RE THE EXISTING TIMBER VIEW HOMES.

BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE OTHER RESIDENTS.

YES THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. LET'S SEE. AS FAR AS THE TWO STORY VERSUS THREE STORY I'M GOING TO GO CHECK OUT THOSE, THOSE PRODUCTS.

I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S INTRIGUING. AND THEN WE NEED TO TO ASK THESE, THESE FOLKS THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH WHAT, WHAT THEY HAVE DENSITY I GET IT, I GET THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN ALL OF THESE.

SO, SO WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT. AS FAR AS, AGAIN, TRAFFIC, THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S DONE. THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A MOU THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY.

CAN YOU SEE WHAT THOSE LETTERS STAND FOR? MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.

SO THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT METHODOLOGY, WHICH I GUESS THEY'VE DETERMINED WHAT INTERSECTIONS TO STUDY, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, HOW FAR OUT? SO DATA WILL BE COLLECTED THAT.

THAT SHOWS CURRENT CONDITIONS. AND THEN WHAT OUR TRAFFIC FOLKS DO IS PROJECT OUT OUR ADDITION TO THAT.

AND THEY ALSO LOOK TEN YEARS IN THE FUTURE, I BELIEVE IT'S TEN.

[01:35:02]

DON'T GET ME WRONG, IT MIGHT BE MORE, BUT THERE'S A HORIZON THAT WE HAVE TO DESIGN TO AS WELL.

SO TURN LANES, ADDITIONAL LANES, THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY IF BORNE BY THIS, BY THIS PROJECT. WE'RE ALREADY ANTICIPATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE EXTRA RIGHT AWAY TO THE CITY TO EXPAND, EXPAND THIS ROADWAY. SO WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THAT ALREADY IN OUR PLANS.

LOOK, LOOK TOWARDS THAT. AS FAR AS WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE IN STAFF WAS THAT WE JUST HAVE TO PRESENT THOSE CALCULATIONS TO THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CAPACITY IS THERE, AND THOSE WILL HAPPEN ONCE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PLAN THAT THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A CALCULATION DONE ON.

SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. DID YOU SAY THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY PROPOSED? DO YOU HAVE IT ON HERE ON YOUR ON THIS PLAN? WE WE'VE ANTICIPATED SOME RIGHT OF WAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY ENGINEER IS GOING TO WANT, BUT WE HAVE BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT THAT THEY WANTED ANY.

BUT I ASSUME THEY PROBABLY WILL WANT SOME HERE.

ALL RIGHT, SPEAKING OF THAT, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A SECONDARY ENTRANCE TO SUBAREA A? THE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HOMES WITH ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT.

HAVE YOU EXPLORED THAT OPPORTUNITY OR COULD YOU EXPLORE THAT OPPORTUNITY? WE CAN EXPLORE THAT RIGHT NOW. WE DO HAVE TWO MEANS OF EGRESS JUST BECAUSE OF FIRE.

FIRE IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT EMERGENCY LANE.

YEAH, WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY LANE THERE NOW, I KNOW WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE THAT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE THAT. ALSO DEALING WITH TRAFFIC.

A GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP ALLEYS WOULD BE DARK AND INVITE CRIME.

I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIGHTING PACKAGE TO PRESENT FOR US FOR REAR LOADED GARAGES.

WE WOULD HAVE A LIGHTING PACKAGE. AND JUST MY UNDERSTANDING OF THESE ALLEYWAYS RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT THE ALLEYWAYS OF OLD.

THERE'S DECKS ACTUALLY THAT THAT ARE BACK THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE I, I WOULDN'T SAY THEY'RE NICE.

THEY'RE STILL AN ALLEY, BUT BUT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT WHAT I THINK EVERYBODY THINKS THEY ARE.

YEAH. SO THEY WOULD BE LIGHTED. IT JUST KEEPS ALL THAT TRAFFIC OFF THE FRONT STREET.

AND I THINK THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM SEVERAL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. THEY WOULD WANTED TO REDUCE THE GARAGES IN THE DRIVEWAYS AS MUCH AS WE COULD.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO BECAUSE SRT WAS BROUGHT UP AS WELL AS MAINTAINING ARD WHAT THE APPROACH WAS TO TO NOT GO EITHER OF THOSE ROUTES. WELL, OKAY. CURRENTLY IT'S ZONED ARD IN THE BACK AND IT'S GOT SRT ALONG THE FRONT.

SO SRT IS A 50 FOOT BY 100 FOOT LOT. WE COULD GET A LOT OF THOSE OUT ON THE FRONTAGE RIGHT TODAY.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. JUST FILE A PLAT WOULD BE MY GUESS.

AND THEN THE ONE ACRE LOTS IN THE BACK, WE COULD DO AS WELL.

IT'S JUST BUILDING A LOT OF ROAD FOR FOR FOR FOR THAT.

AND IT DESTROYS THE GOLF COURSE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, WE HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS, WHICH ARE 60FT. AND THE TURNING RADIUS IS THAT THEY HAVE ON THOSE.

THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY GOLF COURSE LEFT. AND THE OWNER OF THIS GOLF COURSE, HE OWNS GOLF COURSES.

THIS IS HIS FOURTH GOLF COURSE. HE THIS THIS ISN'T NEW TO HIM.

SO HE KNOWS HE KNOWS HOW TO OPERATE HIM. HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING.

AND AGAIN, HE WANTS TO MAINTAIN THAT. BECAUSE INITIALLY WE DISCUSSED GOING UP NEXT TO THESE PEOPLE AND JUST HAVING A NINE HOLE, AND THAT JUST WAS NOT PALATABLE. SO. SURE, I THINK I HEARD A QUESTION REGARDING ZONING AREA OR AREA C IN THE ZONING AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH. SO AREA C IS THE GOLF COURSE.

MY AND THIS IS JUST AN ASSUMPTION OF MY OWN. THE FACT THAT THEY WANT IT BROUGHT INTO THIS IS SO IT CAN'T CHANGE BECAUSE IF WE LEAVE IT C I COULD GO IN TOMORROW AND TEAR IT UP AND PUT HOUSES IN IT. BUT IF IT BECOMES PART OF THE PRD NOW, IT'S PROTECTED UNDER THIS.

AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT COMING BEFORE A BOARD LIKE YOU. SO WHAT IT DOES FOR THE PEOPLE IS IT PROTECTS EVERYBODY.

IT MAINTAINS THAT THAT IT'S A GOLF COURSE WITHOUT BIG CHANGE.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SAY IT COULDN'T HAPPEN, BUT I GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, PROBABLY IN AN AUDITORIUM TWICE AS BIG AS THIS TO GET EVERYBODY HERE TO DO THAT.

SO I THAT'S MY I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHY IT'S A PART OF THIS, BUT THAT'S MY MY GUESS.

SO WE AGREED TO THAT. SO IF IT WERE TO ONE DAY THE OWNER WOULD WANT TO CHANGE IT.

YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN. WE'D HAVE TO GET SENT OUT.

YES. SO IT CAN'T CHANGE WITHOUT PEOPLE KNOWING.

[01:40:02]

CORRECT. THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION REGARDING THE DEVELOPER AND WHO'S MAINTAINING THIS.

DO YOU ANTICIPATE AN HOA TO BE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? YES, THERE WOULD BE AN HOA THAT WOULD MAINTAIN THE INDIVIDUAL SUB AREA A AND SUB AREA B OBVIOUSLY THE, THE GOLF COURSE OWNER WOULD, WOULD MAINTAIN THE GOLF COURSE HIS MAINTENANCE CREW MAY END UP BEING PART OF THE MAINTENANCE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BUT THERE WOULD BE AN HOA THAT WOULD MAINTAIN ALL THESE OPEN SPACES.

AND FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU STATE IF THE UTILITIES ARE ADEQUATE TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT? EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR FROM OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS AT THE UTILITIES ARE ADEQUATE.

HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I COULD LOOK AT MY MY TEAM MEMBERS.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY WENT NOW. I SEE HEADS HEAD SHAKING NOW.

WE WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND REACHING OUT, HAVING CONVERSATIONS.

WE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, YOU KNOW, BUT WE WANT WE WOULD LIKE TO WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND SURE, MAKE SURE THEY ARE AWARE AND ALSO ARE APPROVING.

I MEAN, WHEN I SAY APPROVING, LIKE THEY DON'T NOT RECOMMEND IF THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH. WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS.

THAT EXISTING ACCESS ROAD ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY.

AND THERE IS ELECTRIC THERE. I MEAN, HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT WHETHER THAT ACCESS NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED FOR IS A UTILITY RIGHT OF WAY OR THE, THE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING ME TO TO GO INTO MY MEMORY.

RIGHT, RIGHT. RIGHT HERE. THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC.

I DO NOT RECALL SEEING AN EASEMENT FOR ACCESS ON THAT.

WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A ROADWAY THERE.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED, WE EITHER HAVE TO NEGOTIATE A DIFFERENT ROUTE FOR THEM OR WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.

SO BUT THAT'S AGAIN WHEN WE GET FARTHER ALONG WITH THIS.

I FEEL LIKE I'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS, BUT I CAN'T READ MY WRITING.

IT HAPPENS. YES. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT PA THREE.

I AM NOT A GOLFER, SO I HAVE THIS IS ALL NEWS TO ME.

AND WHEN MR. FISHER BROUGHT IT UP, I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

SO I GUESS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE ON THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PAR THREE.

NO, I MEAN, I GREW UP ON A PAR THREE COURSE. I STILL SUCK, YOU KNOW, SO I'M NO GOOD.

BUT AGAIN, I HAVE TO RELY ON THE OWNER OF THIS AGAIN.

HE'S GOT FOUR GOLF COURSES, I HAVE ZERO. SO THIS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT HE WANTS TO DO.

AND HE HAS HE THINKS HE CAN DO. SO YEAH, I CAN ONLY RELY ON HIS EXPERTISE.

IT WAS STATED THAT SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS IN TERRACE DRIVE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MEETINGS.

PRELIMINARY MEETINGS. HOW CAN YOU ENSURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE ALL THE RESIDENTS? YEAH. SO IT WAS STATED THAT SEVERAL RESIDENTS IN TERRACE ON TERRACE DRIVE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MEETINGS OR NOTIFIED.

HOW DO YOU INTEND TO RECTIFY THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE NOTIFIED AND YOU'RE NEGOTIATING WITH THEM? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE I DIDN'T NOTIFY THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO WE CAN DEAL WITH THE MAILING LABELS THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR, FOR THIS FOR THIS MEETING, WHICH I THINK WAS A 200 FOOT FROM, FROM THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHY MORE PEOPLE WERE WERE INFORMED OF THIS MEETING.

OR AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS, WE CAN TAKE DOWN NAMES AND NUMBERS AND DO ALL OF THE ABOVE.

SO BUT I THINK THAT'S THAT'S THE APPROACH IS JUST WE REACH OUT, WE I'LL MAKE MYSELF FREE.

SARAH. MY MY PARTNER HERE WILL MAKE OURSELVES FREE FOR ANYBODY TO CALL, AND WE'LL MEET AND TALK AND AND DO ALL THAT.

SO, MISTER CHAIR, JUST TO TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT ONE THERE WAS A THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO MENTIONED THAT THEY DID GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, BUT THEY FELT LIKE THE THINGS THAT THEY PRESENTED WERE NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

CAN YOU MAYBE SHARE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK YOU RECEIVED FROM THOSE MEETINGS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAD AN ACTIONABLE CHANGE TO YOUR PLAN? YEAH. I CAN WHAT WE HAD. WELL, THE FIRST PLAN I DON'T.

WELL, I HAVE. SO THE FIRST PLAN WAS NOTHING BUT TOWNHOUSES.

WHY CAN'T YOU DO RANCH HOUSES ON THE GOLF COURSE? WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT TOWNHOUSES. WE DON'T WANT THREE STOREY TOWNHOUSES.

WE DON'T WANT RENTAL APARTMENTS UP THERE. WE DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY.

ANY RETAIL ALONG THE FRONTAGE. THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD AT THE AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING.

[01:45:05]

SO WHAT WE HAD DONE IN FOR FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

THERE'S THERE'S THE FIRST, FIRST, FIRST PLAN THAT WE SHOWED FOR THIS.

THANK YOU. WE CAN SHARE. IT'S FINE, I GOT PLENTY.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THEM HOME. SO. SO WE WENT BACK, LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, WE'RE WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE DOING ANY RENTALS HERE. PEOPLE DON'T WANT RENTALS. THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A BAD WORD. SO WE TOOK THAT OUT.

ALSO WE HAD ALREADY RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT MEDICAL OFFICE TYPE USES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE STREET.

IT'S LIKE, THAT DIDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE ANYMORE EITHER. WE OBVIOUSLY INCORPORATED SINGLE FAMILY ALONG THE GOLF COURSE.

I WANTED TO WE HAD THIS LAID OUT AT ONE POINT WITH ALL TWO STORY TOWNHOUSES IN THE MIDDLE.

WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT THAT REALLY WANTED TO, TO HAVE THE THE ALLEYS NOT KNOWING THAT THERE MIGHT BE A PRODUCT OUT THERE THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH. WENT WITH THAT WITH THE THREE STORY.

THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

THAT'S ONE THING I KNOW THAT THAT WE DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH.

WE ADDED MORE GREEN SPACES THROUGHOUT. WE LIKE I SAID, WE GOT RID OF THE MULTIFAMILY AND WE GOT GOT RID OF THE OF THE THE RETAIL.

AND I THINK WE TRIED TO KEEP AN OUT OR I THINK AT THAT ONE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A STREET THAT THAT WENT TO TIMBERVIEW DRIVE.

WE GOT RID OF THAT TOO, BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT THAT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS OUR SECONDARY ACCESS POINT.

SO WE DID RESPOND. YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO LISTEN AS MUCH AS I COULD WITH, WITH THOSE AND, AND DO A DO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A THOUGHTFUL PLAN.

SO. OKAY. I THINK MAYBE 1 OR 2 MORE ITEMS I HAVE ON MY LIST, AND IT'S PROBABLY FOR FURTHER ENGINEERING, BUT NATURAL SPRING AND ALSO THE EXISTING CREEK.

ARE YOU AWARE OF THOSE? AND WHAT'S THE APPROACH RIGHT NOW? I'M NOT AWARE OF A NATURAL SPRING. WE'LL HAVE WE'LL HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL GUY GO LOOK OUT THERE AGAIN.

WE'VE HAD PRELIMINARY ENVIRONMENTAL ONTO THE SITE AND LOOKED AT THESE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO BE CLASSIFIED AS STREAMS OR CREEKS.

THEIR DITCHES, THEY WERE PART OF THIS. BUT THAT BEING SAID, THEY'RE NATURAL DRAINAGE WAYS THAT IF WE CAN INCORPORATE THEM, WE WILL TO DO THAT. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S JUST MORE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

BUT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT FROM, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THE EPA, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WHOLE LOT ON THAT SITE THAT GIVES YOU ANY ANSWERS FOR FOR THAT.

THERE WAS THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION IF THIS REZONING AFFECTED THE ACTUAL GOLF COURSE AND IF WE WERE TO APPROVE IT, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I GUESS I MISSED THAT CHECK, MARK.

THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. THOUGH I DO APPRECIATE IT. SORRY. MR. STEIN, HOW FAR ARE YOU INTO CIVIL RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU ARE YOU A BALANCED SITE? WHERE WHERE ARE YOU GETTING CLAY FROM? YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THE CURRENT STATE OF THE GOLF COURSE YOU CAN'T BUILD ON.

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THE DIRT TO BUILD ON? WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ANYTHING LIKE THAT YET, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CIVILS HAVE BALANCED THE SITE.

THAT'S KIND OF A JOKE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT'S A WISHFUL THING.

CORRECT. BUT I WAS HOPING I MEAN, SINCE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A GOLF COURSE HAS TO BE CLOSE, RIGHT? BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE SOILS REPORT WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD A FOUNDATION ON.

YEAH, YEAH. NO, OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO DIVE INTO, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ALARMING.

WE KNOW THERE'S WET SPOTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PONDS AT, RIGHT.

BUT THERE JUST HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF THIS REASON.

YOU KNOW, PHYSICALLY. SO. SO I JUST WANT TO SEPARATE A LITTLE BIT.

IS THERE ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ELSE'S LIST AS FAR AS CITIZEN COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN DOWN? AGAIN, I KNOW WE DIDN'T PROBABLY ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE COMMENT AND SOME COMMENTS WEREN'T SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED TO HIM.

IT'S KIND OF SILLY QUESTIONS OR JUST OVERARCHING QUESTIONS.

SO ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD FOR THE GENTLEMAN.

OKAY. SO WITH THAT SAID ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP THROUGH CONVERSATIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? I'M GOOD, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY, SO I'M JUST ONE PERSON, RIGHT? SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW GENERALLY FROM THIS BOARD, I HEARD DENSITY.

I HEARD THREE STORY BEING CONCERNS. SO WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE APPLICANT?

[01:50:08]

YOU COULD TABLE OR YOU COULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE.

PUT ME ON THE SPOT. WELL, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. I'VE NOT BEEN TO A CONCERT REVIEW EITHER WITH WITH WITH WITH MARYSVILLE.

SO I'M FIRST HERE. I WOULD THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO TABLE AND GO BACK.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE TWO ITEMS FOR SURE.

ALL RIGHT. SO SHORTLY WE'LL TAKE A VOTE TO TABLE.

YEAH. I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF INTEREST OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GIVE YOU NAMES.

YEAH. SO I WOULD JUST ASK BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HERE AND WE'VE GOT SIX MORE ITEMS TO GO DOWNSTAIRS.

YEAH. SO MAYBE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE LOBBY MEET UP IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM YOUR NAME ON THAT.

SO MAYBE THE PAVILION ACROSS THE WAY. THAT'S WAY MORE.

YEAH. IF THE LOBBY IS TOO FULL. YEAH. OH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT.

OH. IT IS. WE COULD GO TO THE PAVILION. MEET AT THE PAVILION? YES. HOLD ON. WE GOT TO WATCH. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE CLOSED.

YES. AND QUESTIONS ARE CLOSED. MR. STOYAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD TABLE THOSE TWO ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO. WELL, TABLE. OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. YES. I'M NOT. WE'RE NOT I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH THE WHOLE THING, SO.

YES. YEAH. MORE THAN JUST YEAST. OKAY. THANK YOU.

YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. I'VE GOT LIKE, TEN PAGES. SO IT SEEMED LIKE AN OVERARCHING THEME FROM THE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE. THEY'RE ABOUT TO VOTE. YEAH.

AGAIN, NOT THAT THAT'S THE ONLY TWO THINGS. WELL, AND WE MAY NOT.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD BASED ON FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW COME BACK AT A LATER TIME AND GO FROM THERE.

OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE, A MOTION TO TABLE.

LOTS OF PEOPLE. UNANIMOUS. CHAD RAISED HIS HAND.

I'M GOING TO GO PAGE SECOND. COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. NICKERSON? YES, PLEASE. MISS BERGUS. YES, MR. WOLOWITZ. YES, MR. FISHER? YES, MISS LAUB. YES, MR. STILLMAN. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME. APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO THE FEEDBACK. AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL COME BACK. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CALL.

WE'LL GIVE IT ABOUT TWO MINUTES. FOR THOSE THAT ARE ONLY HERE FOR THE FIRST ITEM, I'D SAY FOLLOW THEM OUT IF YOU WANT TO STICK AROUND FOR THE OTHER STUFF.

MAY NOT BE AS EXCITING. YES. YEAH. WELL, I WOULD TALK TO HIM AS FAR AS IF YOU WANT MORE CONVERSATION WITH THE WITH HIM.

IT'S NOT OUR. WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. YEAH, YEAH.

SO. SO WHEN, WHEN AND IF THEY COME BACK, IT WILL ALSO, IT'LL BE ON OUR AGENDA TO TWO WEEKS BEFORE A MEETING.

SO YOU LIVE NEARBY? I MEAN, DID YOU GET THE. OKAY, SO YOU'LL GET ANOTHER CERTIFIED LETTER STATING THAT THERE'LL BE THIS MEETING JUST LIKE THIS ONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SIR. SAID I GOTTA GO OUT OF THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE MY PROPERTY BACK.

YEAH, OUR PROPERTY IS BACK RIGHT UP TO IT. YEAH.

AS WELL. IT'LL BE ON OUR AGENDA ANNOUNCED TWO WEEKS BEFOREHAND IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT OUR AGENDAS, BUT YOU'LL GET THE CERTIFIED LETTER. OKAY. SURE.

LET'S RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES. YES. ALL RIGHT.

YOU WANT TO HIT THE GAVEL? I DO, KIND OF. WHERE DID I HIT THAT PART? YEAH. WAIT, ARE WE STARTING BACK WITH WEAVER? YES. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO BREAK FOR FIVE MINUTES.

I DRANK TOO MUCH WATER BEFOREHAND. YEAH. RESERVE.

[01:58:59]

GOING TO RESUME THE MEETING. MAKE SURE. OH, YES.

GOTTA MAKE SURE OUR MICROPHONES ARE ON. CHECK.

I CAN HEAR YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO MOVE ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM UP BECAUSE IT WILL GO QUICK. WE BELIEVE SO. COULD I GET A MOTION TO MOVE? NEW BUSINESS ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS THE SIXTH ITEM ON THE AGENDA UP TO.

I GUESS IT WOULD BE SECOND. I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

THANK YOU. MISS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY, SO. I GOT PAPERWORK EVERYWHERE NOW, SO SO THE NEXT ITEM THEN WOULD BE TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAT APPLICATION FOR EMERY MEADOWS,

[5. To hear an application for a Final Plat application for Amrine Meadows Section 2 Phase 3A located in the southeast corner of State Route 31 and Amrine Wood Road]

SECTION TWO, PHASE THREE, LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STATE ROUTE 31 AND AMRINE WOODS.

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IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? GOOD EVENING, CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE YOU MOVING THIS UP. MY NAME IS NIKKI MARTIN FOR 75 METRO PLACE, SOUTH DUBLIN, OHIO, REPRESENTING PULTE. AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A FINAL PLAT TO ESTABLISH 38 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR AMRINE WOODS.

AND TO ALSO ESTABLISH SIX PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY OR A PORTION THEREOF AND TO DEDICATE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.

IS THERE CURRENTLY A WALKING PATH ALONG AMRINE WOODS AS PART OF THIS PLAT? AS PART OF THE PLAT? PLATT. IT'S NOT DEDICATED ON THE PLATT.

WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND OBVIOUSLY A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T RECALL IF THERE'S ONE ALONG AMRINE WOODS.

SO THE REASON I ASK SINCE YOUR ORIGINAL SUBMISSION WAY BACK WHEN THE THE LAND THAT IS TO YOUR EAST, MARYSVILLE NORTH. IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED NOW? IS GOING TO HAVE A WALKING PATH ALONG THERE, AND IT'S GOING TO END HERE. I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD THINGS UP.

BUT IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO IF THERE IS POSSIBILITIES, IF YOU COULD EXTEND THAT PATH BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WALKING TO.

YEAH. A FENCE LIKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A WALKWAY THAT ENDS AT A FENCE.

YES. SO YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, JUST THE WALKWAYS. YEAH. IF STAFF COULD PROVIDE THAT PLAN.

SO WE COULD COULD LOOK. YES. YEAH. WORK THROUGH WITH STAFF.

DON'T HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF US IF IT WORKS, APPRECIATE IT IF IT DOESN'T BECAUSE WE ALREADY APPROVED THE ORIGINAL.

UNDERSTAND. SO APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU, MR. FISHER. A SECOND, SECOND LOB ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. FISHER. YES, MISS. LAUB. YES, MR. STILLMAN. YES, MR. NICKERSON. YES, MISS VOBIS. YES. MR. WOLOWITZ.

YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

TWO HOURS IN. SHE'S OLD BUSINESS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD DEVELOPMENT PLAN, KNOWN AS OUR APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS THE TRAILS AT WEAVER ROAD DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 14373 WEAVER ROAD.

IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT, MR. CHAIR? OH. I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS THAT NEED TO RECUSE.

THANK YOU. SO EXCUSE MISS VERBOSE. MISS LAUB.

AND WITH THAT, IF IF THERE IS SOMEONE HERE TO PRESENT.

SO I'M SORRY. YOU'RE ABOUT TO TALK. SO. SO YOU'RE HERE? I THINK TWO MONTHS AGO. YES. SO, SO HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I GUESS FOCUS MOSTLY ON CHANGES SINCE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FAIR. YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A LONG ENOUGH NIGHT.

SURE. BUT. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT. AND WE'RE NOT RUSHING THINGS.

NO, NO. AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO. UNDERSTOOD. HERE, EVERYONE.

YEAH. THANK YOU. I'M PLUGGED IN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TRY AND SWITCH THAT OVER, BUT THANKS AGAIN.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, GARY SMITH OWNER OF G2 PLANNING AND DESIGN, 720 EAST BROAD STREET, COLUMBUS, OHIO. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER T-BILL DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.

I HAVE THE DEVELOPERS HERE WITH ME ALSO IF YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL JUST GO THROUGH REAL QUICK.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT. THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, I'M JUST GOING TO PULL UP THE LAST SITE PLAN.

SO THIS IS THE LAST SITE PLAN? WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST, AND THE COUNCIL, WE HAD A PRETTY LONG DISCUSSION, A PRETTY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION. AT THE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED US TO LOOK AT A NUMBER OF THINGS.

AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO RUN DOWN THROUGH THEM AND KIND OF ORDER OF LIKE SMALLER TO LARGER.

SO THE COMMISSION ASKED US IF WE WOULD AGREE TO CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS.

WE HAVE AGREED TO CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS. WE'VE AMENDED THE TEXT TO STIPULATE THAT AS WELL.

THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO DETERMINE WHICH LOTS WILL HAVE SIDE LOAD GARAGES.

WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE TEXT. BASICALLY, WHAT WE'VE SAID IS THAT ALL CORNER LOTS MUST HAVE A SIDE LOAD GARAGE, UNLESS THE CITY ENGINEER DETERMINES THAT THERE'S SOME REASON THAT WE CAN'T.

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AND IN THAT CASE, WE'D STILL LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BUT IT'S WHOLLY DEPENDENT ON THE THE CITY ENGINEER.

THE THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO CONSIDER HAVING A CONNECTION TO THE WEST.

AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE.

AND WE HAVE AGREED TO THAT. AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT HERE IN A SECOND.

THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO REMOVE THE THREE INCH LAP VINYL SIDING FROM THE LIST OF MATERIALS.

WE HAVE AGREED TO DO THAT. AND NOW FOR SOME OF THE MAJOR THINGS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EXTENSIVELY WAS MOVING THE LARGER LOTS, THE 70 FOOT LOTS TO THE NORTH BOUNDARY SO THAT OUR LOTS WOULD BE KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH THE LOTS THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS TO THAT.

WE'VE DONE THAT. WE'VE MOVED ALL OF THE 70 FOOT LOTS TO THE NORTH.

AND IN THE LAST THING THAT THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO DO IS WE HAD A PRETTY IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION.

SO IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE PREVIOUS THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POND ITSELF KIND OF BEING TUCKED IN THE CORNER NOT PROVIDING A LOT OF ADDITIONAL AMENITY FOR THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE CONCERN THAT I HAD BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE ENGINEER WAS SINCE THAT WAS THE LOWEST POINT IN THE SITE, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SPLIT THAT UP? THE THE ENGINEER ACTUALLY CONFIRMED THAT WE COULD.

AND SO AS PART OF THAT, THE OTHER THING THAT THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO LOOK AT WAS TO TRY AND SEE IF WE COULD DISTRIBUTE SOME OF THAT STORMWATER, BUT ALSO OPEN UP SOME OF THE OPEN SPACES AND THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE OPEN SPACES.

SO WE'VE REVISED THE PLAN. WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO THIS IS THE REVISED PLAN. WE'VE MOVED ALL OF THE 70 FOOT LOTS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY INCREASED THE NUMBER OF 70 FOOT LOTS, AND WE'VE PUT THOSE ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY.

WE'VE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE POND KIND OF DOWN IN THE CORNER, AND WE'VE SPREAD THE PONDS OUT INTO SOME OF THE OPEN SPACES.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING SOME WATER KIND OF IN THE CENTER PARK.

AND UP IN THE OTHER PARK, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT AND STILL MEET THE STORMWATER NEEDS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE LAST THING THAT THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO DO WAS TO CONSIDER DOING AN ALLEY, LOADED PRODUCT KIND OF BETWEEN LOTS 128 AND 129 GOING IN THIS, THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULDN'T ACCOMPLISH OR ACCOMMODATE.

WE TALKED TO FIVE DIFFERENT BUILDERS. NONE OF THEM HAD A PRODUCT THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE INTO THE ALLEYS HERE.

I WILL SAY WE DID ACTUALLY NOT, NOT WE BECAUSE I'M NOT INVOLVED.

BUT THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY DID GET AN IN CONTRACT JUST LAST WEEK WITH A BUILDER, K HOVNANIAN.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEM OR NOT.

BUT THEY ARE THEY HAVE SOME LOTS THAT THEY'VE PURCHASED IN MARYSVILLE, BUT THIS WOULD BE THEIR FIRST WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'RE OUT OF THE CLEVELAND AREA, AND THEY'RE KIND OF SCATTERED AROUND KIND OF THE EASTERN SECTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

SO THERE ARE LARGE BUILDER. THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT OUT OF ALL OF THE DEVELOPER OR OUT OF ALL THE BUILDERS THAT WE TALKED TO.

WE FELT LIKE THEIR PRODUCT FIT THE BEST. AND THEY WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT COMING TO THE MARYSVILLE AREA.

SO WE'LL HAVE MORE ON THAT. WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TO GET THEM TO DEVELOP MATERIALS AT THIS POINT, BUT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW PULLING TOGETHER A BUNCH OF MATERIALS FOR HOUSES, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THAT FOR THE DRB APPLICATION.

SO YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THEM ON BOARD.

BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF THE LIST OF THE CHANGES.

LIKE I SAID, WE'VE RESPONDED TO ALL OF THEM. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION OR QUESTION WITH THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO TO. SO I'LL, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THOUGH, I ALSO HAVE DALE SHEARER WHO IS THE FORMER PROPERTY OWNER.

HE WANTS TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

SO HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THAT, I MEAN, IF HE HE CAN AND THEN I'D SAY, COME BACK TO THE PODIUM, WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FIRST AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO.

OKAY, GREAT. DALE. GOOD EVENING. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL.

YES. MY NAME IS DALE SCHNEIDER. I LIVE AT 14021 STATE ROUTE 736 MARYSVILLE.

OUR FAMILY HAS OWNED AND FARMED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 1959.

PRIOR TO US GIFTING IT TO THE LUTHERAN CHURCH, MISSOURI SYNOD FOUNDATION.

I'VE LIVED HERE IN MARYSVILLE ALL MY LIFE. TWO OF MY THREE CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES STILL LIVE HERE.

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AND WHEN, JUST TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND, I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL AT THIS POINT, POINT IN TIME.

WHEN ADINA POINT AND WEAVER RIDGE WERE DEVELOPED AND THE STUB STREETS FROM BECKMEYER AND WEAVER RIDGE DRIVE POINTED INTO OUR FIELD, WE IT WAS OBVIOUS TO US THE INTENT WAS FOR OUR PROPERTY TO BE NEXT.

AND COMMON SENSE WOULD SAY SO, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS LAND HAD BEEN ANNEXED SINCE 1998, WHICH WAS OVER 25 YEARS AGO NOW, AND WAS THE LAST REMAINING UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF THE PUZZLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.

SO WE FELT IT WAS AT THAT POINT IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME, BUT WHAT MANY DO NOT KNOW.

AND IS THAT OUR GIFT TO THE FOUNDATION, WHICH WAS SET UP OVER TEN YEARS AGO, WAS INTENDED TO BE TRANSFERRED ON THE DEATH OF MY WIFE AND I.

BUT THE RECENT GROWTH OF THE MARYSVILLE COMMUNITY TRIGGERED TWO SIGNIFICANT EVENTS, ONE BEING OBVIOUSLY THE RAPIDLY ESCALATING PRICE OF LAND, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TO US, THE GROWING NEED FOR SAINT JOHN'S LUTHERAN SCHOOL TO UPDATE AND EXPAND ITS FACILITIES.

IT WAS SO APPARENT TO MY WIFE AND I THAT GOD HAD GIVEN US THIS BLESSING FOR A MUCH LARGER PURPOSE, AND HE WAS CHALLENGING US TO MAKE A DECISION ON OUR STEWARDSHIP OF THIS BLESSING.

AND IT WAS AT THAT TIME WE FELT THAT THE ETERNAL BENEFITS OF EXTENDING THE OPPORTUNITY OF A CHRISTIAN EDUCATION TO CHILDREN OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME FAR EXCEEDED ANY SELFISH NOTION OR IDEA OF PADDING OUR ASSETS.

SO IN 2021, WE EAGERLY OFFERED THE GIFT TO THE FOUNDATION THROUGH A CHARITABLE REMAINDER TRUST REST, WITH A SIZABLE PORTION OF THE PROCEEDS TO BE DIRECTED TO THE SAINT JOHN'S LUTHERAN SCHOOL.

PHASE ONE BUILDING EXPANSION. SAINT JOHN'S LUTHERAN SCHOOL IS NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT IT HAS BEEN A POSITIVE PART OF THE MARYSVILLE CULTURE AND OUR FAITH COMMUNITY SINCE 1843. SAINT JOHN'S DOES NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO PASS A LEVY TO EXPAND FACILITIES.

ALL OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS COME PRIMARILY FROM MEMBERS AND SCHOOL FAMILIES, AND OUR LAST EXPANSION WAS IN 1998.

AND SINCE THEN OUR TEMPORARY MODULARS HAVE BECOME PERMANENT, AS MANY OFTEN DO, AND NOW EXCEEDED THEIR USEFUL LIFE.

AND BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS GROWTH, WE ARE OUT OF SPACE.

WE'VE HAD TO DROP A SECOND KINDERGARTEN CLASS AND ARE TURNING AWAY STUDENTS RIGHT NOW.

FUTURE GROWTH IS AT OUR DOORSTEP, AND WE ARE POISED TO BREAK GROUND AS SOON AS WE REACH 50% OF THE NEEDED FUNDS FOR PHASE ONE OF OUR PLAN.

IF CONSTRUCTION IS OF THIS PROPERTY IS FURTHER OR EXCUSE ME, CONSTRUCTION AT THE SCHOOL IS FURTHER DELAYED.

FUTURE GROWTH IS IMPOSSIBLE AND THE NEED TO CUT BACK IS EVEN GREATER.

AND OUR FAMILY IN PARTICULAR IS DEVASTATED BY THE THOUGHT OF TURNING ANYONE AWAY FROM THIS SCHOOL.

SO OUR SCHOOL AND OUR STAFF HAVE A DEEP LOVE FOR CHILDREN.

FEEL THE URGENCY TO SERVE THE FAMILIES IN OUR AREA SEEKING THIS EDUCATIONAL OPTION.

OUR CONGREGATION AND SCHOOL FAMILIES STRONGLY SUPPORT OUR STRATEGIC MINISTRY PLAN TO CONTINUE OUR MAIN OUTREACH OF SHARING GOD'S WORD WITH LITTLE ONES AND THEIR FAMILIES.

NOW, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND I'M SHARING THIS, ALL OF THIS NOT AS AN EMOTIONAL APPEAL, BUT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRIORITIES OF MY FAMILY WILL NOT ALIGN WITH EVERYONE HERE, BUT I FEEL THE BACKGROUND BEHIND OUR DECISIONS IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS EVENING.

I'M THANKFUL THAT THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS THE PRODUCT OF LISTENING TO FEEDBACK, AND HAS ACCOMMODATED MANY OF THE DESIRES OF MY NEIGHBORS.

THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BRING A FRESH, QUALITY HOME PRODUCT TO THE MARYSVILLE MARKET, AND OUR FAMILY SIMPLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE OVERALL WIN TO THE MARYSVILLE COMMUNITY BY ALLOWING OUR DREAM OF SUPPORTING THE GROWTH OF SAINT JOHN'S LUTHERAN SCHOOL TO BECOME A REALITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, I THINK ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE COMMENTED ON THAT YOU ADDRESSED WAS THE MORE NATURAL DESIGN OF WATERWAYS. YEP. SO ALSO, WE APPRECIATE AND WE'LL HAVE TO CARRY THAT THROUGH TO THE ENGINEERING.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S STILL WORK TO DO, BUT SO OPEN IT UP TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT THAT I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT IT, INCREASING THE WIDTH OF THE LOTS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE TO THE 70 FOOT.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK IT LOOKED IT'S A BETTER LAYOUT THAN WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SEEN AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT.

THE POND ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT.

I KNOW I MENTIONED. OKAY. AND WE'RE STILL NOT 100% SURE THAT POND IS EVEN GOING TO BE NEEDED.

YEAH. WE MAY BE ABLE TO ENGINEER THAT OUT. THE EXIT HEADED TOWARDS 736.

APPRECIATE IT, BUT IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION OF ACTUALLY CONNECTING A CONNECTOR TO 736 AT ALL? I'M NOT SURE WE DON'T CONTROL THAT PROPERTY. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY AND THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS

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CONNECTED. I WAS MAINLY DIRECTING THE QUESTION TO TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SPOKE.

DO YOU OWN THAT PROPERTY, SIR? YES, SIR. ANY THOUGHT OF DOING A CONNECTOR? THAT THAT WILL REMAIN TRANSFER ON DEATH? UNDERSTANDABLE.

UNTIL MY WIFE AND I UNDERSTAND. BUT BEFORE WE ENTERED INTO ANY OF THIS CONVERSATION, I DID TALK TO CITY STAFF AND I SAID, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS OF RUNNING A ROAD ALL THE WAY THROUGH? AND THEY SAID, NO. SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT THIS ROUTE.

I THINK IT'S STILL ONE OF THOSE ITEMS, OBVIOUSLY, THAT IF THAT PROPERTY COMES INTO THE DEVELOPMENT CYCLE, THE CITY'S GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF DICTATE THOSE ROAD CONNECTIONS.

DURING THE LAST MEETING. COULD YOU SCROLL OVER TO THE POND ON THE.

OH, YEAH. YOU'RE CONTROLLING THE POND ON THE TOP LEFT.

THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS FROM HOMEOWNERS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SPOKE TO THEM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOW GOING TO SEE OPEN SPACE AND PONDS.

RIGHT? FOR THAT CORNER AREA. THAT'S CORRECT. YEP.

AND THE SETBACKS FOR THE REAR LOT. I MEAN, THE SETBACKS ARE GOING TO BE, WHAT, TEN FEET, 15FT FROM THE ROAD? SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE REAR REAR OF HOUSES AREN'T GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE.

THE REAR OF HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE PULLED A LITTLE FURTHER FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT ELECTRIC EASEMENT THERE.

SO OUR SETBACKS ARE ACTUALLY A LOT GREATER ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE.

THAT'S WHY ALL OF THOSE LOTS ALONG THAT STRETCH ARE DEEPER THAN THE NORMAL LOTS, BECAUSE WE HAD TO WE HAD TO PULL DOWN AND GET THE BACK OF THE, THE BUILDABLE AREA, THOSE LOTS OUT OF THE EASEMENT.

MISTER FISHER I THOUGHT WE HAD A COMMENT ADDRESSING THE CONNECTIVITY OF ALL OF THE POCKET PARKS WITH THE ONE IN THE NORTHWEST. YOUR THOUGHTS THERE? YEAH, WE STILL HAVE.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT OPEN SPACE YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO IF THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO WALK TO THE OTHER SPACE.

THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, AN OPEN SPACE, BUT YOU CAN STILL JUST COME DOWN ROAD C AND ROAD D AND JUST GET OVER TO THE PARKS.

IT'S A REAL QUICK JAUNT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH OF AN ADVANTAGE FOR US TO TRY TO CREATE A CUT THROUGH IN THE MIDDLE, AND THE CUT THROUGH IN THE MIDDLE FOR US IS IT'S KIND OF A DEATH KNELL FOR THOSE LOTS.

THEY'RE ALWAYS THE LAST LOTS TO SELL IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON, IT'S JUST HAVING THAT PATH BETWEEN TWO HOUSES.

BUYERS JUST DON'T LIKE IT. SO IF THERE WAS A HUGE BENEFIT FOR IT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER.

AND CERTAINLY IF OUR BLOCK LENGTH MET THAT REQUIREMENT FOR HAVING A MID-BLOCK CONNECTOR, BUT THERE'S JUST NOT THAT MUCH OF A CUT OFF.

SO YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO JUST WALK DOWN ROAD C TO D TO GET TO THE CENTER PARK.

AND THEN FROM THERE EVERYTHING IS KIND OF CONNECTED THROUGH ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE OTHER OPEN SPACES.

SO AND THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. CORRECT. AND WE CREATED WE ALSO CREATED A PATH CONNECTION UP TO WEAVER RIDGE DRIVE SO THAT AGAIN, ANYBODY IN WEAVER RIDGE CAN OBVIOUSLY WALK DOWN, ENJOY THE WALKING PATHS IN THE OPEN SPACE.

YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO IT'S A IT'S A PUBLIC AMENITY.

ANYTHING ELSE? YEP. OKAY. SO SEEMS LIKE THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.

WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. AND SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE STAYING, IF ANYONE'S WISHING TO SPEAK.

SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD THAT. YEAH. ACTUALLY, CAN YOU HAND IT BACK OFF TO JEFF IN CASE HE NEEDS TO FLIP TO SOMETHING? SO JUST BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE BEEN OUT, I'M GOING TO REITERATE WHAT EVERYONE GETS SWORN IN.

THAT FEELS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO SPEAK. YOU'RE GOING TO TALK, AREN'T YOU? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE THAT THINKS THEY MAY SPEAK THIS EVENING WHO HAS NOT BEEN SWORN IN, WE ASK THAT YOU STAND UP. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

I WILL READ AN OATH, AND THEN YOU WILL SIGNAL BY SAYING, I WILL DO.

DECLARE THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH, UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS WE ASK THAT YOU COME TO THE PODIUM YOU HAVE YOU STATE YOUR NAME, YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

AND IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH. SO IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS AS PART OF YOUR COMMENTS, WE WILL WRITE THEM DOWN COMPILE THEM THE BEST WE CAN,

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AND THEN WE'LL BRING THE PRESENTER BACK UP AND TRY TO ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. SIR, YOU'VE BEEN STANDING FOR FOR A WHILE NOW. WE'RE HANGING OUT IN THE OTHER ROOM WATCHING.

SURE. GOOD EVENING. ANDREW MATHERS, 825 LORENZO.

YOU KNOW, FIRST, I DO WANT TO SAY I'M ACTUALLY PLEASED TO SEE UPDATES TO THIS PLAN.

CERTAINLY THERE'S THERE'S DEFINITELY A NUMBER OF COMMENTS THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED. I'VE MADE SOME PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT DENSITY. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S CONTINUING HERE, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE SEEING DEFINITELY SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. I ALSO WANT TO THANK STAFF.

HAD SOME COMMUNICATIONS WITH STAFF OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. THEY PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I THINK THAT'S BEEN VALUABLE. I'LL ACTUALLY FOCUS BASICALLY ALL MY COMMENTS ON THE ENTRANCE OFF OF WEAVER RIDGE.

TWO THINGS HERE. TRAFFIC STUDY WAS ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL PIECES OF INFORMATION PROVIDED.

I WILL NOTE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST TIME, DOES NOT SAY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY TRIGGERS ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SURROUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT DOES OUTLINE THAT EAST FIFTH AND CHESTNUT IS ALREADY ACTUALLY WARRANTS A TRAFFIC LIGHT.

SO I WILL NOTE THIS DOES EXASPERATE SOME EXISTING TRAFFIC ISSUES.

I THINK THAT'S A GROWTH ISSUE ACROSS MARYSVILLE.

BUT YOU KNOW, AS AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF MINUTIA IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THAT THERE IS SOMETHING ALREADY WARRANTED THIS, AND IT REALLY EXPANDS UPON THAT. I THINK, MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS WITH THE SIGHTLINE STUDY WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BASICALLY TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THAT ENTRANCE.

TWO THINGS THAT I NOTED THERE. YOU KNOW, THIS STUDY PROVIDED DOESN'T SEEM TO CONSIDER THE 55 MILE PER HOUR APPROACH FROM THE SOUTH.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS OBVIOUSLY RIGHT ON THE COUNTY CITY LINE.

SO WEAVER RIDGE, AS IT APPROACHES FROM THE SOUTH ACTUALLY IS 55 MILES AN HOUR.

SO THE SPEEDS APPROACHING ARE MORE THAN THE DESIGN SPEED CONSIDERED IN THAT STUDY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER AS MOST PEOPLE DRIVE ALONG THERE, I THINK SECONDLY THE THE STUDY ACTUALLY SHOWS A SITE DISTANCE FOR THE NEW ENTRANCE OF 431FT. SO IF YOU LOOK, IT'S KIND OF JUST OFF THIS, THIS PAGE, BUT IS CURVED AS YOU COME AROUND FROM THE NORTH.

THERE'S REALLY, REALLY DENSE WOODS, KIND OF RIGHT, RIGHT UP TO THE ROADWAY THERE.

PRETTY BLIND CURVE. SO IT'S PRETTY LIMITED. SIGHT LINE.

I DID A LITTLE READING THERE. THAT 431FT IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN THE MINIMUM ODOT AND AASHTO STANDARD FOR A 45 MILE PER HOUR ROADWAY.

SO THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO KIND OF COMPLY WITH THE GUIDANCE THERE.

YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS, I THINK ANY OF US THAT DRIVE THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW, THEY RECOGNIZE THIS IS A FAST BLIND CURVE. IT'S ALSO SOME GREAT, YOU KNOW, DEER THROWN IN EVERY NOW AND THEN.

IT'S JUST NOT A GREAT LOCATION FOR IT. SO I THINK BASED ON THE SIGHT LINE STUDY, THIS ISN'T REALLY A GOOD LOCATION FOR THE ENTRANCE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK PERHAPS COULD DO A LITTLE SIGHT LINE STUDY LOOKING AT THE KIND OF WHERE THE PARK IS MAYBE MIRRORING SOME OF THIS.

CERTAINLY WHERE IT'S A LOT STRAIGHTER. A LOT YOU KNOW, KIND OF EASY SIGHT LINES THERE, BUT DEFINITELY SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THAT PARTICULAR ENTRANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHELLE MADDEN. I LIVE ON 739 LORENZO.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS THAT PACKING NEARLY 300 HOMES INTO THE SPACE.

SPACE ON A MUCH SMALLER LOTS THAN WE'VE ORIGINALLY.

DANA POINT CONFLICTS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THERE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR PREFERENCES FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE VALUE PERSONAL SPACE, PRIVATE YARDS, AND LOW DENSITY, ALONG WITH HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT FITS THE CHARACTER OF OUR CITY.

MARYSVILLE ALREADY MAINTAINS OVER 300 ACRES OF PARKS AND MILES OF TRAILS.

PEOPLE AREN'T ASKING FOR MORE POCKET PARKS OR BENCHES.

THEY WANT USABLE BACKYARDS WHERE THEIR KIDS CAN SAFELY PLAY.

THIS PROPOSAL CLAIMS TO BE COMPARABLE TO WEAVER RIDGE AND DANA POINT, BUT THE LOT SIZES AND LAYOUTS SAY OTHERWISE.

IF IT WAS TRULY COMPARABLE, THE LOTS WOULD REFLECT THE SAME SCALE, AND INSTEAD IT FEELS AS IF THE DEVELOPER IS USING THE POD ZONING PROCESS TO BYPASS NORMAL STANDARDS AND SQUEEZE IN MORE HOMES FOR GREATER PROFIT.

MEANWHILE, WEAVER RIDGE HOMEOWNERS ARE ALSO STILL DEALING WITH ISSUES. WE'VE REPORTED DRAINAGE ISSUES, FLOODING ISSUES, ADDING MORE DENSITY WITHOUT ADDRESSING ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT'S CONCERNING THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO GET WORSE. I CAN TELL YOU WITH THE RAIN WE HAD, IT WAS A POOL BEHIND MY HOUSE.

NOT GREAT AND I'M SURE PEOPLE MOVING THERE WILL NOT WANT THAT.

GROWTH IS INEVITABLE, BUT IT SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE AND ALIGNED WITH OUR COMMUNITY VALUES AND HIGH DENSITY PROJECT PUTS DEVELOPER DEVELOPER PROFITS OVER QUANTITY, QUALITY OF LIFE FOR MARYSVILLE FAMILIES AND WE DESERVE BETTER.

WE MOVED HERE FOR A REASON. FOR ME, MOVING HERE FELT LIKE A BLESSING.

IT GAVE ME A PLACE TO BUILD MY FAMILY SOMEWHERE SAFE, OPEN AND FREE FROM OVERCROWDING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A PURPOSE IN DONATING THE LAND, BUT IT CAN'T COME AT THE EXPENSE OF WHAT SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE MOVED HERE FOR.

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YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THE PERSON WHO DONATED THE LAND THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO RAISE THEIR FAMILY IN A ROOM TO BREATHE, WITH SPACE TO PLAY, AND THE PEACE THAT COMES WITH LIVING IN WIDE OPEN SPACES.

DON'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ALSO CAME HERE TO DO THE SAME THING.

I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A CRAMPED NEIGHBORHOOD WITH HUNDREDS OF HOMES, WITH TRAILS THAT JUST GO TO NEIGHBORHOODS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HEY, JEFF, CAN YOU MOVE THAT? LIKE THE BOTTOM CORNER SCOOTED. THAT WAY YOU WON'T SEE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

YEAH. WHERE? THE EXTENDER. CATHY YOUNG, 425 WEST EIGHTH.

I THINK THIS IS SHORT SIGHTED TO PUT THAT EXTENDER THERE.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO DOWN TO THE NEXT STREET BECAUSE LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY.

WHETHER HE WANTS TO SELL HIS LAND NOW OR GIVE IT AWAY AFTER HE PASSES AWAY, THAT IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO END UP ON 736 RIGHT HERE.

736 SEE THE DISTANCE? IT'S NOT THAT FAR. SO I REALLY THINK THAT IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DODGE THROUGH SOMEBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET OVER TO 736, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE CHANCES OF HITTING KIDS AND STUFF.

INSTEAD OF MAKING THIS LIKE A PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. OTHERS WISHING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. SEEING ANY PRESENTER COME BACK UP AND WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE'VE SEEN. MY NAME IS BILL WESTBROOK ON THE PARTNERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

I WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR. THE SITE SIGHT DISTANCE WAS DONE BY LICENSED SURVEYORS WITH MUCH PRACTICE, AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE BY VERY COMPETENT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.

IN BOTH CASES, THE CITY ENGINEER HAS APPROVED THEM BOTH.

THERE'S PLENTY OF SIGHT DISTANCE TO DO IT SAFELY.

WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW.

IT EITHER MEETS THE STANDARD OR IT DOESN'T. IT DOES MEET THE STANDARD.

SO WE'VE LITERALLY BEEN WORKING ON THIS GENERAL PLAN FOR THE ENTRANCEWAY ON THE NORTH PROPERTY FOR OVER EIGHT MONTHS. SO IT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFICULT THING FOR US TO MAKE A CHANGE OF THAT SIGNIFICANCE AT THIS LATE DATE.

SO I WANTED TO FILL THAT IN ON YOU. OKAY. SO THE THE COMMENT ABOUT IT WAS ASSESSED AT 45MPH, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY 55. DO YOU KNOW BY CHANCE I DRIVE THAT EVERY DAY? TWICE A DAY AT LEAST. TRYING TO THINK WHERE IT CHANGES.

OR YOU. WELL, I'M SURE IT PROBABLY CHANGES AFTER IT GETS OUT OF THE CITY.

AND. YEAH, IT'S AT THE CITY LINE. YEAH, THE THE THE NORTH PORTION IS IN THE CITY ALONG THAT STREET.

THE SOUTH IS IN THE TOWNSHIP. OKAY. SO, SO THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN IS EITHER I FORGET IT'S ON ONE END OF THAT PROPERTY THAT'S ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WEAVER ROAD. SO. SO IT'S RIGHT THERE, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD THING IF IT IS THAT CLOSE TO LOOK AT THE STUDY AT 55MPH.

BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE IF IT'S A FEW FEET INTO 45.

YEAH. YEAH. PEOPLE SHOULD. WELL, I GUESS SO WE HAD OBVIOUSLY THE CITY GAVE US THE PARAMETERS.

THE CITY ENGINEER GAVE US THE PARAMETERS TO STUDY THAT THE PROFESSIONAL SURVEYOR AND PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS STUDIED IT ACCORDING TO THE CITY ENGINEER'S PARAMETERS.

RETURNED THAT STUDY BACK TO THE CITY. THE CITY HAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED IT. AND THEY THEY AGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDY.

YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY ENGINEER WANTS TO DIRECT US TO, I GUESS, LOOK AT THAT DIFFERENTLY.

WE CAN, BUT AT THIS POINT, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, ACCORDING TO THE CITY ENGINEER, OUR SITE DISTANCE IS SAFE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.

SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE THERE. OKAY.

ON THE DENSITY ISSUE YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE AT TWO AND A HALF UNITS AN ACRE.

IT'S 250 HOMES. IT'S NOT 300. WE HAVE WE'RE IN THE AREA OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR THE

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PSD DEVELOPMENT. THE PSD DEVELOPMENT RECOMMENDS A DENSITY OF 3 TO 6 UNITS AN ACRE, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE AT TWO AND WE'RE A LITTLE LESS THAN TWO AND A HALF, SO WE'RE LESS DENSE THAN WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD SUGGEST SHOULD GO HERE. I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WHEN COMPARING THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME LOTS IN THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE LARGER.

THERE ARE ALSO SOME LOTS IN THAT ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE THE SAME SIZE.

WHAT'S MISSING IN THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IS KIND OF THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK THAT WE HAVE.

SO FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IS VERY COMPATIBLE IN TERMS OF DENSITY IN TERMS OF PRODUCT, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT UP AGAINST THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

SO FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S VERY, VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, THE TWO COMMUNITIES.

SO I JUST WANTED TO END WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE.

AND LET ME TOUCH ON STORM ISSUES WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME JUST TO ADDRESS AND YES. YEAH, A STORM CERTAINLY. SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO AS WE GO THROUGH THE FINAL ENGINEERING STAGES, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER. ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS JURISDICTION TO COME UP WITH A MASTER STORMWATER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM SO THAT WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS THAT ANY STORMWATER THAT'S GENERATED BY OUR SITE, OR ANY STORMWATER THAT'S COMING FROM OFF SITE ONTO OUR SITE, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT WE HAVE TO CATCH IT, AND WE HAVE TO DIVERT IT INTO STORMWATER PONDS.

WE HAVE TO SLOW THE RELEASE OF IT. AND SO WE HAVE TO DO THAT FOR TWO REASONS.

NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO FILTER OUT ANY SEDIMENT ANY OILS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO SLOW IT DOWN TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS OF FLOODING.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE FLOODING ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY NOW ANYTHING ESPECIALLY ALONG THE BORDERLINE, ALL OF THOSE LOTS ARE GOING TO HAVE A STORM SEWER SYSTEM IN THE BACKYARDS.

SO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW PONDING AT THE PROPERTY LINES THAT SITUATION IS GOING TO BE FIXED.

THAT STORM SEWER SYSTEM IS GOING TO PICK UP ANY OF THAT PONDING.

IT'S GOING TO BE DIVERTED OVER TO THE STORMWATER PONDS, WHICH ARE GOING TO BE CONNECTED, AND THEN EVENTUALLY OUTLET IT TO THE STREAM TO THE SOUTH.

WE HAVE AN EASEMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND WE'LL THAT'S WHERE THAT OUTLET IS GOING TO GO.

IS THAT HELPFUL? YES. YEAH. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IT'S BROUGHT UP THE CONNECTOR LOCATION.

I'LL JUST SAY IF YOU HAD MOVED IT TO THE SOUTH, I'D BE VERY MUCH AGAINST IT BECAUSE YOU WOULD CREATE A STRAIGHT LINE.

I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE TO MAKE TURNS SO THAT IT'S NOT A FAST, YOU KNOW, JUMP OVER TO 736 PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY WAS DEVELOPED WITH A DIFFERENT PURPOSE IN MIND. THIS IS GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE LOTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, LOTS OF DRIVEWAYS.

IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FEEL THAN PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY.

AND SO THAT WAS OUR GOAL AS WELL, IS TO AVOID A STRAIGHT CUT THROUGH THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO ALLOW THE CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO ALLOW POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE FOLKS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT TO GET TO 736.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS CREATE AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE COMING UP 36 TO DRIVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT JUST TO GET TO WEAVER FOLKS THAT DON'T LIVE THERE.

SO THAT'S THAT WAS OUR THINKING AS WELL. OKAY.

AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THAT LOCATION AT OUR LAST MEETING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT I MISSED THAT JUST DOING QUICK MATH.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE 45 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGN IS APPROXIMATELY 200, 230FT AWAY FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

SO ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I AM, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO.

IT'S BETWEEN THESE TWO DRIVEWAYS, WHICH IS RIGHT.

LOOK HERE. THAT'S WHERE I GOT IT. AND THE ENTRANCE IS IN THE CENTER OF THE FIELD.

OKAY. OKAY. THEY MEASURED. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COME UP DURING DISCUSSIONS? ANYTHING ELSE? NO. OKAY.

SO, BECAUSE THIS IS A PUD, I HAVE TO READ THIS TEXT.

CORRECT. I BELIEVE WE DO. ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT'S THIS? YES. YEAH, EXACTLY. I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SO TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, A YES VOTE FOR THIS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION CONFIRMS THE APPLICATION

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MEETS ALL OF THE STANDARDS AS OUTLINED IN SECTION 1135 17.

CRITERIA FOR RECOMMENDATIONS BY PLANNING COMMISSION.

IF VOTING NO, PLEASE STATE WHICH SUBSECTION? ONE THROUGH SEVEN OF SECTION 1130 5.17 ARE NOT BEING MET.

WITH THAT SAID COULD I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU, MISS ROBERTSON, A SECOND.

YES. THANK YOU, MR. STOYAN. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. STILIAN? YES. MR. NIXON? YES. MR. WOLOWITZ.

YES. MR. FISHER YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM FOR ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE FIRST NEW BUSINESS ITEM IS TO HEAR A APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION FOR TWO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES LOCATED

[1. To hear an application for a Conditional Use application for two Single-Family Detached homes located at 502 E 9th Street]

AT 502 EAST NINTH STREET. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT.

OH, YES. I'M SORRY. WE GOT THE TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING, SO APOLOGIZE.

YEP.

JESUS. IN THE HALLWAY. SORRY.

NO PROBLEM. YOU WEREN'T WATCHING ON THE LIVE FEED? WE WERE, BUT IT'S A DELAY. OH, IT'S LIKE A 1520 SECOND DELAY.

WE VOTED YES. WE SAW. ALL RIGHT. WITH OUR MEMBERS BACK YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

ALL RIGHT. MICHAEL GARRITY. 297 WEST NEW ENGLAND AVENUE.

WORTHINGTON CONSTRUCTION MANAGER FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF DELAWARE AND UNION COUNTIES.

WE'RE APPLYING TO BE PERMITTED TO DO ONE OF THE LISTED CONDITIONAL USES ON THIS PROPERTY FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND IF WE'RE APPROVED, THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH THE ZONING TO DIVIDE THE LOT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TWO AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR HOMEOWNERS. AND THEN WORK WITH ENGINEERING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ACCESS.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IS IT? NOW, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PLOT? HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE SPLITTING THE LOT? ARE YOU GOING VERTICALLY OR HORIZONTALLY? ONE ON 1 OR 1 ON NINTH OR WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? YEAH. NO. VERTICALLY. AND THEN THE AND I DON'T HAVE THE DIMENSIONS, BUT I, I KNOW IT WORKS.

AND THEN IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CORNER LOT WOULD BE REAR LOAD ACCESS ON WALNUT IT AND THE OTHER HOUSE WOULD BE FRONT LOADING BASED ON THE TREES. I WAS JUST OUT THERE TODAY. THAT WOULD PROBABLY WORK. WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY VERTICALLY. SO YOU MEAN BOTH HOUSES WOULD BE FACING EAST NINTH? YES. OKAY. YEAH. WITH ONE WITH ONE REAR. THIS WAY, ONE DRIVEWAY THAT WAY.

OKAY. WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING. SO BASED ON WE TALKED TO ZACH AND JEFF AND ASHLEY BRIEFLY BEFORE APPLYING THEM A LITTLE. LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE ONE'S GONNA HAVE A DRIVEWAY. IT'S GOING TO SET IT BACK A LITTLE FARTHER THAN THE OTHER, MOST LIKELY. AND THE TREES ON THAT CORNER, IF I CAN KEEP SOME OF THOSE IN THE FRONT, THAT WOULD BE NICE AS WELL.

I GUESS ONE QUESTION WE HAD, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, AND THERE IS ON THE OTHER WOOD.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE REQUESTED TO ADD A SIDEWALK JUST ON OUR LOTS, THE SIDEWALK? THE ASSUMPTION IS WE WOULD WANT A SIDEWALK, RIGHT? ANYTIME WE AND THERE'S A SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

THAT RIGHT? YES. JUST FOR OUR ANTICIPATION. SURE.

YEAH. SO? SO WITH THE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO OFFSET SOME OF THE COST.

OH. ALL RIGHT. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WITH THE PATH GOING INTO THE PARK AND YEAH, I MEAN, IF WE COULD CONNECT THAT IN SOME WAY.

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SURE. WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAVORABLE WITH THE.

SORRY. THIS IS ME ASKING STAFF, WOULD THE SIDEWALK BE REQUIRED ON BOTH NINTH AND WALNUT OR JUST NINTH? MOST LIKELY ON BOTH. ON BOTH. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

CLARIFY THAT. I JUST I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

I WALKED DOWN WALNUT WOULD BE THE ONLY SIDEWALK.

YEAH. SORRY. COBBLESTONE, WHATEVER. WHATEVER WE'RE ASKED TO DO.

RIGHT. JUST A POINT. I WAS TALKING TO STEVE FORMER COLLEAGUE OF YOURS, AND HE NOW WORKS IN DELAWARE. SPEAKS VERY HIGHLY OF YOU.

OH, THANKS. YES. IS THAT ALL THAT WAS YOUR COMMENT? YES, THAT WAS MY COMMENT. THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T GET ME OUT OF ANY SIDEWALKS.

NO IT DOESN'T. IT'S A REALLY HARD DECISION. NO, I GET IT, I GET IT.

THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK? YOU MAY NOT WANT TO SIT DOWN YET, BECAUSE ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK.

SEEING NONE, CATHY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE? MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU, MISS LOVE, A SECOND, SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. FISHER. CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. STILLMAN? YES, MR. NICKERSON? YES, MISS. BERGUS? YES, MR. WOLOWITZ. YES, MR. FISHER? YES. MISS LAUB.

YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AWESOME. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. LOOK FORWARD TO IT. OKAY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION TO PERMIT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES LOCATED ALONG MILFORD AVENUE WITH PARCEL ID NUMBER

[3. To hear an application for a Conditional Use application to permit Single-Family Attached homes located along Milford Avenue with Parcel ID number of 2900191250020.]

OF 2900191250020. IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE WISHING ABLE TO PRESENT? CAN I ASK THE COMMISSION A QUESTION? CAN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM? I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUMP THAT IN FRONT OF US.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IT'S THEIR 30TH ANNIVERSARY.

OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS, GUYS. WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? YOU ALL JUST SAT THROUGH? YES. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THE LAST ITEM OF THE AGENDA UP? YES. MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. BECAUSE IT'S MY ANNIVERSARY TO.

32. OKAY, SO WE ARE MOVING UP. MUCH APPRECIATED.

TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION FOR A RELIGIOUS PLACE OF WORSHIP LOCATED AT 111 AND 151 MAURY DRIVE AND PARCEL 2900021574000. IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? BOB BAILEY WITH CIVIL SOLUTIONS 7450 INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY, UNIT B.

WE THANK YOU FOR MOVING US UP IN THE AGENDA. THAT WAS COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED.

SORRY WE DIDN'T MOVE YOU FURTHER EARLIER. I GUESS REALLY? QUITE ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE JUST APPLYING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE THE BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON ONE ONE ONE MAURY DRIVE IS ACTUALLY BEING LEASED TO HEAD START AND HAS BEEN SINCE THE BUILDING OPENED.

THEY HAVE BEEN THERE AND OUR INTENTION IS TO CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH THEM AND CONTINUE LEASING THAT BUILDING TO THEM.

AND AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THEN WE ARE LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY ADD ON AND ADD A SECOND BUILDING CONNECTED BY A CONNECTOR TOWARD THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING TO ACT AS A WORSHIP SPACE FOR THE BELOVED UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.

CURRENTLY, WE'RE WORSHIPING IN THE YMCA AND ARE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY GET OUR OWN SPACE AND OFFICE SPACE THAT WHERE WE CAN HAVE MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS WITHOUT HAVING TO JUGGLE WITH THE Y'S SCHEDULE AND BE ABLE TO FUNCTION MORE NORMALLY LIKE A CHURCH. OKAY. SO WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US IS THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, OF COURSE.

ANY FUTURE CHANGES WILL MAY COME IN FRONT OF US OR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.

ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONAL USE. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO QUESTIONS. OPEN UP CITIZEN COMMENTS.

ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THIS MAY HAVE BEEN THE QUICKEST ONE, PERHAPS. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE?

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MOTION TO APPROVE, SIR? MR. JULIAN. SECOND. SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. FISHER? YES, MISS. LAUB. YES, MR. STILLMAN. YES, MR. NICKERSON? YES, MISS. VARGAS? YES. MR. WOLOWITZ.

YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. HAPPY ANNIVERSARY.

ANNIVERSARY. THANK YOU. ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR EVENING.

HOW LITTLE IT IS. OKAY, SO WE HAVE REALLY JUMBLED UP OUR AGENDA. SO I BELIEVE WHAT IS NEXT IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION TO PERMIT A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES LOCATED ALONG MILFORD AVENUE WITH PARCEL ID NUMBER OF 2900191250020.

IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE WISHING TO PRESENT? AND SO FOR THOSE I MEAN, THE BOARDS SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THE AGENDA AND ANYONE THAT'S HERE YOU ARE ALSO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS A DENSITY BONUS, BUT WE ARE TWO SEPARATE VOTES. SO LET'S I MEAN, YOU MAY TALK ABOUT BOTH, BUT LET'S FOCUS ON THE CONDITIONAL USE, I GUESS. YES, EXACTLY. CHRIS. TWINKLE, TWINKLE PARTNERS, 19 541 DELAWARE COUNTY LINE ROAD, MARYSVILLE. SO, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY BRING UP THE EXACT SAME THING.

SO I'LL KEEP THIS ONE SHORT SINCE IT'S JUST A USE FOR US TO GO FROM.

AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THIS IS PSD, SO AS PSD WE HAVE TO COME THROUGH FOR A CONDITIONAL USE TO PUT A SINGLE.

WE'RE DOING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOME. SO THESE ARE ALL DUPLEXES.

IN BRIEF THEY'RE TWO STORY DUPLEXES ON ON HERE FOR IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT I'LL GET INTO MORE OF THE DETAILS AS WE GO TO THE AS WE GO TO THE DENSITY BONUS.

SO OBVIOUSLY MAIN ROAD COMING OFF OF COMING OFF OF MILFORD AVENUE TO OUR NORTH IS ALREADY DUPLEXES, TO OUR EAST IS ALREADY DUPLEXES, TO OUR WEST IS THE STATE PENITENTIARY.

AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS THE AES SUBSTATION THAT YOU SEE STICKING OUT THERE AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD THERE.

SO WE FEEL FOR THE USE OBVIOUSLY IT'S EVERYTHING HERE.

SO PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING NORTH OF NORTH OF US.

HERE IS ALL YOU KNOW. MULTI-TENANT OR MULTI-USE OR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES.

SO I THINK IT FITS IN REALLY GREAT FOR THE FOR THE AREA.

AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THE ONE OF THE LAST FEW BIG PIECES HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, LEFT HERE.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S A BIG PIECE.

IT'S ONLY FIVE ACRES, SO IT'S NOT REALLY THAT BIG OF A PIECE.

SO WE'RE JUST THE CLIENTS HAVE JUST SEEN IT AND THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO WITH IT.

SO COME WITH US AND SAY, HEY, IT SEEMS TO FIT WITH THE WITH THE AREA THERE IN ORDER TO FOR THE USE.

SO. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THE CONDITIONAL USE? I WOULD AGREE YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY CHARRED HOME.

I GUESS YOU CONSIDER THE PENITENTIARY SHARED HOME ALSO.

YEAH. THERE YOU GO. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. YES. OKAY.

SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE. ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. I DIDN'T SWEAR IN. OKAY, WELL, I COULD IN RIGHT NOW? YES. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU DECLARE THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH, UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION.

SAY I WILL. I DO. I GOT A QUESTION. IF YOU GO TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.

NAME AND ADDRESS. NAME. ADDRESS. AND THEN HAVE.

I'M JOHN BLAND. I'VE DEVELOPED EVERYTHING. BEEN WORKING PARTNER WITH THE CITY FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, TRYING TO CREATE A FAIRLY LOW DENSITY. I MEAN, THE 70 ACRES THAT SURROUNDS THIS PROPERTY.

I THINK WE WERE ABLE, THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, ABOUT 3.2 UNITS PER ACRE OVER THE WHOLE 70 ACRES, ALL RANCH STYLE, ALL SENIOR. A LOT OF GREEN SPACE.

EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY HAD ENVISIONED. WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT.

I LOOK AT THIS COMING IN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, BUTTING INTO WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO.

AND I CAN'T SHAKE MY HEAD. I READ THE CITY'S COMMENTS.

I AGREE WITH HIM 100%. AS FAR AS THE STAFF, THIS THIS IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS, ACTUALLY, BUT IT DOES NOT GO WITH WHAT I'VE SPENT AND THE CITY HAD ENVISIONED FOR THIS AREA.

NOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE CLIENTELE. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT TO BE GOING FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN BECAUSE THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO GO. THEY'RE TWO STORIES. I MEAN, I, I CATER TO THESE PEOPLE.

THEY DON'T WANT STAIRS. THE 55 OR OLDER. SO HE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING FOR YOUNGER.

I SEE SEVEN FOOT OFFSETS PROPERTY LINES OVER EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.

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I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SCREEN THAT WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE 20FT OFF A PROPERTY LINE.

I SEE ALL THE STORM WATER BEING DUMPED ON ME.

YES. SO THERE ARE TWO AGENDA ITEMS. ONE IS CONDITIONAL USE.

THE CONDITIONAL USE IS TO ALLOW DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE DENSITY, WELL, I DON'T, BECAUSE I THINK I SAID ENOUGH THAT YOU'LL REMEMBER EVEN WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT.

I KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE TWO SEPARATE. SO I KNOW WHETHER OUR FEELINGS ON THE DENSITY OF IT WE'LL ADDRESS HERE IN A MINUTE.

YEAH. WE ARE TRYING TO STICK TO THE CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH I THINK YOU PROBABLY AGREE.

THAT AREA IS PROBABLY PRETTY GOOD FOR IT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE WORLD WITH SOMEBODY COMING IN DEVELOPMENT, AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S AROUND IT. SURE, SURE.

I MEAN, THAT'S MY BUSINESS. SO I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? IF NOT.

AGAIN, WE WILL TALK ABOUT DENSITY HERE IN A MINUTE.

BUT YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONAL USE GOES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT SAID, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE. COMMISSIONER MR. ALL ITS SECOND.

THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MISS BERGUS? YES. MR. WOLOWITZ? YES, MR. FISHER. YES, MISS.

LAUB. YES, MR. STILLER? YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES.

ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR A DENSITY BONUS APPLICATION TO PERMIT AN INCREASE IN THE PERMITTED DENSITY PER ACRE FOR SINGLE

[4. To hear an application for a Density Bonus application to permit an increase in the permitted density per acre for Single-Family Attached homes located along Milford Avenue with Parcel ID number of 2900191250020]

FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES LOCATED ALONG MILFORD AVENUE WITH PARCEL ID NUMBER 2900191250020.

IF YOU COULD I MEAN, YOU DON'T NEED TO SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN, BUT PRESENT ON.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. CHRIS. WINKLE WINKLE PARTNERS, 19 541.

DELAWARE COUNTY LINE ROAD, MARYSVILLE. COOL. I PRINTED OUT COPIES FOR THAT.

SURE DID. ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE. NOW WE'RE TALKING TO SITE PLAN AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE AGAIN SRD. SO SRD HAS CODE REQUIREMENTS OF FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THE DENSITY BONUS THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO WITH THE TWO LEVELS.

SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR AND ASKING FOR A DENSITY BONUS OF WE WERE AT SEVEN AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE IS WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON.

WE KEPT CONSISTENT. I MEAN, WE STARTED OUR PROJECT WITH WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY COMING IN, THINKING THAT WE COULD DO EVEN MORE.

WE'RE THINKING OF TOWNHOMES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED WITH, WITH OUR FIRST CONCEPT PLAN WITH STAFF AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, AND HAD A MEETING WITH THEM AND WE REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY AS JOHN SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR THAT AREA, YOU KNOW? OF COURSE. YEAH. YOU CAN GET THE DENSITY AND GET MORE UP AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE, BUT IT'S NOT THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT AREA.

IT IS YOU KNOW, AS JOHN HAS DEVELOPED, IT IS DUPLEXES, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, YOU KNOW, INTO THE MIRANDA, THE MIRANDA, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT AS THE MIRANDA, WHICH IS NEXT RIGHT AFTER JOHN'S.

SO ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT WE CAME UP WITH HERE IS THAT WE WENT WITH THE TWO STORY.

WE STUCK WITH THE DUPLEXES. THESE ARE 2000 SQUARE FOOT UNITS BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR.

SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN NORMAL. SO I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU GO AND TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION TO THE MIRANDA HOMES OVER THERE, I BET YOU THERE'S VERY FEW OF THOSE OVER THERE THAT ARE ACTUALLY 2000FT² PER UNIT, YOU KNOW, NOT FOR THE BUILDING PER UNIT. SO WE WENT WITH A LITTLE UPGRADE INTO THE UNITS AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE TO MAKE THEM OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT MORE MARKETABLE, BUT MAKING THEM A LITTLE LARGER TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW FOR MORE, ALLOW FOR BIGGER FAMILIES.

YOU KNOW ONE UNIT THAT WE ENDED UP LOOKING AT, I MEAN, WE ALMOST HAD FIVE BEDROOMS IN IT, SO WE HAD LOOKED AT. BUT THESE HAVE THREE BEDROOMS IN THEM, TWO STORY UNITS, TWO CAR GARAGES.

I SEE THE PLANE YOU HAVE UP HERE IS WHAT WE'VE UPGRADED AND LISTED IN HERE THAT TO GIVE FOR THE DENSITY UNIT.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OUR, OUR CREDITS THAT WE END UP HAVING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED FOR THE FRONT.

SO I TRIED TO BE, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT THEM THERE SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN SEE THE UPGRADES THAT WE DID AND THE POINTS THAT WE GET IN ORDER TO GET THE THE EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOW THAT, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT AT THAT SITE PLAN WISE.

WE ALSO MADE INTO THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE SITE PLAN IS OUR OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE.

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IT'S 10% REQUIREMENT FOR SRT. WE'RE AT. SORRY.

REMEMBER THAT NUMBER RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD? OH, THERE IT IS. SO WE'RE AT 20.7, SO WE AUTOMATICALLY ARE DOUBLING THE, THE OPEN AREA BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IS THE THERE IT IS. SO WHAT I DID ON THIS PLAN IS I HIGHLIGHTED ALL THE OPEN AREA, ALL THE, ALL THE AREA THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT.

BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU LEVELS BECAUSE WE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS SEE ME ENOUGH HERE AND WORKING WITH STAFF AND EVERYTHING. I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT DEDICATED, OPEN AREAS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPEN SPACE AREA THAT WE HAVE THERE, NOT INCLUDING THE POND, WE'RE AT 12.5%. SO WE'VE ALREADY EXCEEDED JUST DEDICATED AREAS WITH THE GREEN AREAS OR OPEN SPOTS FOR IF WE WANTED TO HAVE KIDS TO PLAY THERE, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO GO PLAY CATCH OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.

WE GAVE THOSE AREAS THERE. THE POND IS ROUGHLY WHAT IT IS SIZE ICE THERE.

YOU KNOW, I'LL ADDRESS JOHN'S CONCERN BASED ON THE ENGINEERING PLANS THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR HIS.

IT'S ALREADY THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THE RELEASE OF OUR PROPERTY THERE.

THE STORM SEWER THAT THEY DESIGNED IN THE BACK WAS INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATIONS FOR HIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT IS THERE AND PLANNED FOR. AND THAT IS THE LOW SPOT AND NATURAL WAY THAT IT WILL GO ANYWAY.

SO THAT HAD TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO, TO ACCOMMODATE US.

SO THE SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE DID A T INTERSECTION.

ONE IS TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN SO THEY CAN'T FLY THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE.

BUT WE GAVE BUFFER AREAS. YOU'LL SEE THE YELLOW BUFFER AREAS THAT KIND OF KEPT SEPARATE.

YOU KNOW WE'RE PUTTING A THREE WE'RE PUTTING A MOUND THERE WITH LANDSCAPING.

LANDSCAPING PLAN I GAVE YOU IN YOUR SET SO THAT WE COULD SCREEN ONE OF THE REASONS WE THINK THAT THIS WORKS IN THERE IN THE TWO STORY COMPLEXES, AS I SAID EARLIER IN THERE. WHAT DO YOU GET TO SEE WHEN YOU'RE DONE? WHEN YOU COME DOWN MILFORD, THE BIG UGLY SUBSTATION THAT THEY KEEP ADDING ON TO.

TWO. SO AT LEAST OURS, YOU KNOW, COME IN HERE AND WITH JOHN'S RANCH IS THERE, AND THEN YOU COME BACK WITH OUR TWO STORIES ON THERE THAT'LL HELP SCREEN.

AND WE THINK THAT'LL MAKE IT A NICE LOOK THAT COMES IN DOWN.

THEN YOU HAVE VEGETATION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SUBSTATION.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING NORTH, YOU WON'T SEE THAT SUBSTATION. SO, YES, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS WILL END UP LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT ABOVE.

BUT WHEN THEY END UP GETTING THE TREES ON TOP OF THE MOUND AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE TO LOOK ABOVE, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO SEE THE TOP OF IT, ABOVE IT, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT ASPECT THERE.

WE'RE SHOWING IT WITH, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE DRIVES, EVERYBODY GETS A DRIVEWAY, EVERYBODY GETS PARKING SPOT.

WE HAVE ONE OF OUR UNITS ARE WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT STYLE OF UNITS.

SO WE WANTED TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU.

SO WE HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE UNIT. AND WE ALSO HAVE A ONE CAR GARAGE UNIT IN THERE.

THEY BOTH STILL EVEN KNOW THAT IT'S GOT THE SMALLER ONLY ONE CAR GARAGE.

IT STILL COMES UP WITH JUST ABOUT THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT'S ONLY TEN OR SO SHORT OF THAT.

WE ALSO HAVE AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO DRB.

OUR PLANS ARE COLORS ARE TO SWAP COLORS OUT IN THEIR FUTURE SO THAT THEY SEPARATE EACH OTHER.

SO, YOU KNOW, IN OUR DESIGN, WE WERE COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE WERE DOING.

WE KEPT THE BIGGER UNITS ON THE OUTSIDE. AND THEN THE THE SINGLE CARS WERE JUST SPACED IN BETWEEN TO GIVE US A PATTERN OR GIVE US, YOU KNOW, BREAK UP. SO YOU WEREN'T LOOKING AT JUST A STRAIGHT ROW OF THE EXACT SAME BUILDING GOING THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH.

OTHER THAN THAT FOR OUR DENSITY. SO WE'VE UPDATED THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

LIKE I SAID, WE'VE UPDATED EVERYTHING. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THE THE S SHAPE IN THERE.

I KNOW YOU GUYS LIKE THE BIOSWALE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND INSTEAD OF A BIG OLD POND. SO WE'VE GOT THAT DESIGNED IN THERE WITH SOME LANDSCAPING IN THERE FOR A ROCK RIVER, A RIVER, ROCK CHANNEL IN THERE. THAT'LL END UP DOING IT IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT.

SO IT LOOKS BETTER, BOTH FROM THE HOUSES AND ANY OTHER WAY YOU GET TO SEE IT FROM WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE DEDICATING THE TEN FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY AND THE 20 FOOT EASEMENT.

SO WE'RE LOSING ALL THAT AREA UP FRONT THAT, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING AND EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WANT AS WE GO THROUGH THERE.

LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE CAN WE TALK ABOUT? PRETTY MUCH IT.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PATIOS ON THE BACK, SO WE'VE ADDED COVERED PATIOS ON THE BACK OF THE OF THE UNIT.

SO THEY HAVE PATIOS BACK THERE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE BREAKUP IN THE BACK.

WE'RE JUST OVER 50FT, SO THAT JUST PUTS US PAST THAT NEEDING THAT STUFF.

SO TO TRY TO BREAK IT UP AND THE ELEVATIONS ALL DICTATE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE 20 FOOT SEPARATION THAT IS REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, THAT IS REQUIRED BY CODE. YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME POINT CONVERSATIONS ARE ON THESE, WHETHER THEY'LL END UP BEING CONDO UNITS OR FEE SIMPLE UNITS, KIND OF LIKE OVER AT WHAT WAS THAT, TIMBER CREEK OR TIMBER? WHATEVER. ONE OF THE ONES THAT BACKS UP TO THE GOLF COURSE.

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I'M LOOKING AT IT ONLINE WHILE WE'RE THERE, SO DOING SOMETHING OF THE SIMILAR JUST DEPENDS ON WHO OUR OUR CLIENTS ARE FOR THAT ONE.

SO PRETTY MUCH IT THAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS THE AVAILABLE SPACE AND YEAH, JUST THE OPEN SPACES, NOT USING ANY OR NOT USING ANY OF THE SETBACKS OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE.

SO WE THINK THAT WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF, YES, OUR DENSITY IS HIGHER, BUT WE'RE STILL BEATING, MEETING AND IMPROVING UPON THE BUILDINGS, THE OPEN SPACE AND EVERYTHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'RE JUST NOT COMING IN HERE AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE MAXING THIS OUT AT EIGHT UNITS PER SQUARE FEET AND NOT GIVING ANYTHING IN RETURN, YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL START WITH THE GOOD.

I SAID, I'LL START WITH THE GOOD. I LIKE THE ARCHITECTURE.

I DON'T RUN INTO ISSUES WITH IT BEING TWO STORIES NEXT TO ONE STORIES.

BUT MAN, THAT LAYOUT IS IS AWFUL THAT YOUR OPEN SPACES ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE.

I MEAN, THOSE PATIOS ARE TEN FOOT BY TEN FOOT AND THE OPEN SPACE IS STARTS AN INCH OFF OF IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT KIDS ARE GOING TO GO INTO THOSE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS TO PLAY FOOTBALL OR, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO YOU'RE CREATING FOUR DEAD END STREETS.

AND DO YOU HAVE SIDEWALKS OR IS IT JUST STRIPING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD? STRIPING IS HOW WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IN TOWN, WHERE IT'S A 26 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY WITH AN ALLEY WITH A STRIPED OFF AREA FOR ACCESSIBLE ON THE WAY OUT. I THINK ALL THE ISSUES I'M HAVING IS BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY.

I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE FIXED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DENSITY.

THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE BOARD.

I THINK THAT WAS A VERY ELOQUENT WAY OF STATING THAT I'VE NEVER SPOKEN ELOQUENT.

DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF THIS. YEAH. NO, I COULD SEE WHERE YOU HAVE RESIDENTS WHO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE BACK ON THIS GREEN SPACE BACK HERE WHERE RESIDENTS COMPLAIN OR THERE'S NOT EVEN A PATHWAY.

YEAH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE. RIGHT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO CUT THROUGH THE YARD TO.

THERE'S NO ACCESS. THERE'S NO ACCESS TO IT AT ALL.

RIGHT. AND ARE YOU THE TAN, CHRIS? ARE THE TAN.

IS THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR. IT IS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TAN ON MILFORD AVENUE.

THAT IS NOT A USABLE OPEN SPACE. IT'S NOT A USABLE OPEN SPACE.

BUT YOUR CODE IS OPEN SPACE. SURE. SO THAT'S WHY.

THAT'S WHY COLOR CODED IT FOR YOU. I UNDERSTAND.

SO THAT'S WHY I DID THAT. BECAUSE TECHNICALLY, THAT'S OPEN SPACE. PER YOUR CODE, IT'S ALLOWED TO BE CALLED THAT. SO I DID THAT, LET'S SAY. BUT THE GREEN AREA IS STILL IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WANTED I KNEW THIS WAS YOUR GUYS CONCERN SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT.

AND THAT'S WHY COLOR CODED IT THAT WAY SO YOU GUYS COULD SEE THAT.

SO I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. FOR STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH.

YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING? NO, I WRITE OUT IT'S STILL WHAT IF THAT OPEN AREA BECAUSE THIS IS SOME OF THE THINGS BECAUSE WE KNEW THIS WAS PART OF OUR THING.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IF WE PUT INSTEAD OF THAT POND BEING COMPLETELY OPEN TO THE GROUND, WE DO PART OF IT IN UNDERGROUND STORAGE TO CREATE A BIGGER AREA BACK THERE.

BUT THAT DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE FOUR DEAD ENDS THAT WE HAVE.

IT DOES NOT, AND IT DOESN'T ADD SIDEWALKS. I UNDERSTAND.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION, CHRIS? COULD YOU COULD YOU POSSIBLY PULL THE TWO LINEAR BARS APART AND CREATE A LIKE A BOULEVARD SITUATION BETWEEN THE TWO WHERE THE KIDS CAN PLAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAY IN THE MIDDLE? YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE HAVE A SMALL DETENTION POND THERE AND THEN HAVE SOME UNDERGROUND DETENTION WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A FOOTBALL GAME. YES. WHY, YES WE CAN.

WHAT WITH, WERE YOU THINKING, CHAD? 30FT. 40FT? BECAUSE THAT POND LOOKS LIKE IT'S WHAT WE HAVE A PLAN THAT WE STARTED OFF WITH.

WITH STAFF THAT ACTUALLY HAD A BOULEVARD ENTRANCE WITH THE POND IN THE MIDDLE.

SOUNDS ABOUT 60FT GOING AROUND. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE CREATED MORE OF THAT RESPECT THERE.

ANY. ONE SECOND. I BROUGHT A COPY FOR YOU TO DISCUSS.

PERFECT. ONE OF THE STRUGGLES WITH THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH ANY OF THESE ONES HERE, AS YOU KNOW, ON OUR END, THE STRUGGLE WITH IT IS, IS THAT THE UTILITIES GET EXTREMELY COSTLY BECAUSE I CAN NO LONGER TIE ONE.

I CAN NO LONGER TIE ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSES ON ONE SIDE RIGHT TO THE UTILITIES ON THE OTHER.

SO I'M ESSENTIALLY PUTTING DOUBLE WATER MAINS IN, DOUBLE SANITARY MAINS IN AND EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO DO IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE THAT CONNECTION. AND THAT IS PROBABLY BASED ON WHAT WE ENDED UP FIGURING OUT.

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I THINK THAT IS BASICALLY HALF $1 MILLION ADD TO THE PROJECT IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO RIGHT NOW YOUR SEWER IS JUST GOING ALONG MILFORD AVENUE.

THERE'S NOT A CONNECTOR ON HIS PROPERTY. NO, THEY'RE ALL BE ON MILFORD AVENUE.

WE'LL TIE IN TO THE LET ME GET YOU. GET THEM ALL TOGETHER.

ARE THESE GOING TO BE ELECTRIC OR GAS HOUSES? WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR YET, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE GAS.

YEAH. AND WHERE IS THE CLOSEST TRANSFORMER? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO RUN TWO ELECTRIC BACKBONES OR JUST YOU'RE JUST GOING TO LOOP IT.

PHASE THREE. WE'RE JUST GOING TO THROW A HOOK UP ON THE SUBSTATION.

SURE. WE'LL BE GOOD TO GO. WELL, IF YOU DON'T PHASE THREE, IT'LL BE A CIRCLE ANYWAY.

SO I MEAN, NO MATTER WHERE THE HOUSES ARE, I DON'T CARE.

GREEN SPACE BOULEVARD, BUT THE POND IS FROM HERE TO HERE.

THAT'S ALL THE GREEN SPACE WAS. I THINK THIS NEEDS TO GO IN RIGHT HERE.

22 MOVED OVER ONE WAY. YEAH.

AND OF COURSE, WITH THE THE POND SIZE AND EVERYTHING ON THAT VERSION THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THERE, WE WOULD END UP PROBABLY DOING THE SAME THING EITHER PUT ONE, TAKE THE TWO GREEN SPOTS, JUST TRANSFER THEM RIGHT OVER THERE SO YOU'D HAVE AT LEAST TWO AREAS OVER THERE. YOU KNOW, WE DEBATED ON YOU KNOW, WE DEBATED ON AMENITIES OR HADN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE, YOU KNOW, NEED A PLAYGROUND OUT THERE OR NOT.

YOU KNOW, IT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOING AROUND HIM TO PUT PLAYGROUND OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THAT WE STARTED WITH THAT ONE.

AND THE REASON I WENT WITH THIS ONE IS BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE TAKING THE HOUSES AND YOU'RE PUTTING THEM UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE IN ORDER TO GET THAT.

AND I JUST SO THIS GAVE ME US MORE AREA. LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

SO THIS THE ONE THAT YOU HANDED OUT WITH THE BULLET, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LOOP GOING AROUND IN A CIRCLE, THAT'S A TWO WAY TRAFFIC. AND I'M ENVISIONING I DEBATED ON IT.

OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, FROM WHERE I'M FROM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY FROM THAT ARE JUST A SINGLE YOU'D HAVE TO THEIR ONE WAY TRAFFIC.

YOU'D HAVE TO GO AROUND. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE FAMILY? DEBATED THAT QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW, AND WAS HALF AND HALF.

SO BETWEEN ME AND THE CLIENT AND WE BOTH WE BOTH WENT THROUGH IT HALF AND HALF INTO I ORIGINALLY WHEN I PROPOSED THE TOMB THOUGHT OF ONE WAY, BUT THEN NOW I'VE SENT ALL THE TRAFFIC. IF IT GOES ONE WAY, IT SENDS ALL THE TRAFFIC THE WHOLE WAY AROUND.

SO NOW I DUPLICATED THE TRAFFIC ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT REALISTICALLY, IF WE MADE IT TWO WAY, THEN YOU REALLY WOULDN'T. AND THEN AT THE SAME POINT, IF WE END UP GOING WITH WE NEED A 20 FOOT, WE NEED A 20 FOOT WIDE FIRE LANE. SO WE'RE REALLY BUILDING A 24 FOOT DRIVEWAY.

ARE WE REALLY SAVING? WE'RE SAVING. YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO CUT THAT OUT.

SO IT'S AN OPTION. I KIND OF LIKE IT. BUT THAT WAS JUST ONE OF OUR CONCEPTS.

AND WHEN WE THOUGHT IN THAT FEAR IS JUST NOW WE'RE MAKING EVERYBODY CIRCULATE ON THERE.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE I DON'T THINK WE'D BE 100% OPPOSED TO ONE WAY TRAFFIC THERE.

IF YOU GUYS THOUGHT THAT WAS IT, BECAUSE ALL THAT'S GOING TO DO IS ADD THAT 4FT OR 8FT TO THE LANDSCAPING INTO THE INSIDE? I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD AGREE WITH THE BOARD. I DON'T LIKE THE PROPOSAL AS IS.

I THINK THERE NEEDS IT NEEDS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT, REFINEMENT TO INTRODUCE SOME TYPE OF GREEN SPACE.

USABLE GREEN SPACE. USABLE GREEN SPACE. CORRECT.

WITHOUT THE DENSITY BONUS. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE 22 DUPLEXES WITHOUT THE DENSITY BONUS, HOW MANY WOULD YOU HAVE? DID YOU DO THAT? 20. THAT WOULD BE 18, 21, 18.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ONE OFF TO GAIN TO GET IT WITHOUT A DENSITY BONUS.

I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE 3 OR FOR. THERE WE GO.

22. YOU HAVE 22. NO, 22 UNITS. OH, SO HALF 11.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. SO 11 BUILDINGS? YES. 11 BUILDINGS.

BIG DIFFERENCE, BIG DIFFERENCE. YEAH. SO THERE'S 44 UNITS ON THIS.

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YEAH, THERE'S 22 BUILDINGS, 44 UNITS RIGHT ON THIS.

SO YEAH, WE'D BE DOWN TO 11 BUILDINGS. OH, IT'S 11 BUILDINGS.

THE SKY'S THE LIMIT WITH THE GREEN SPACE. BUT IT ALSO MAKES IT A HARD DEVELOP PIECE, I UNDERSTAND.

AND 300FT WIDE, YOU KNOW AND 800FT LONG. SO EVEN IF IT'S DAYS SDE AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A MAX OF THREE BOWLING ALLEY HOUSES THERE.

IS THERE A DENSITY THRESHOLD THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY YOU TAKE OFF FOUR UNITS.

RIGHT. GET YOU DOWN TO 1836. I GET FOUR BUILDINGS EACH.

DOWN 36. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SPACE YOU COULD WE HAVE? I GUESS I'M GOING TO SAY IT TO GIVE ME ONE SECOND ON THAT ONE.

SURE. I'M JUST GIVING YOU IDEAS. WE'VE GOT ALL NIGHT.

WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS NOT ROUGHLY.

MY BRAIN IS DONE FOR THE NIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE JUST LOVING IT.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE NOT HAVE TO WORK ON THURSDAY.

NEITHER ARE YOU. NICE. ICE. TELLING YOU, MAN, WE GOTTA GET ONE OF THEM.

CITY OR COUNTY JOBS. BEST $50 I'VE EVER EARNED.

WELL, THE TAX OUT OF IT. NO, IT'S 49 AFTER TAXES, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORLD YOU LIVE IN. WE HAD A MEETING OVER FOUR HOURS.

LIKE WE NEED A PIZZA. COFFEY. TECHNICALLY, WE HAVEN'T HAD FOUR HOURS YET.

NO, NO. JUST US. I HEARD THE PAPA JOHN'S ONES COME ON FOR A PIZZA PARTY.

DON'T WORRY. IF IT WAS PAPA JOHN'S AND IT WAS LIKE TEN YEARS AGO AND THERE WAS STILL A PAPA. NO, NO, IT WAS PAPA JOHN'S CAME TO DRBA. THEY BROUGHT THEIR SMORGASBORD WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. MY QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS, AND THIS GOES FROM NOT ONLY THIS PROJECT, BUT OTHER PROJECTS AND TALKING WITH STAFF AND KNOWING WHERE YOU GUYS ARE COMING FROM? YEAH. DEFINE OPEN SPACE. DEFINE USABLE OPEN SPACE.

TEN ACRES. 100 ACRES. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT PARAMETER THAT IN YOUR GUYS'S MIND.

SO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADING, YOU KNOW. AND SO THAT PARAMETER IN YOUR MIND THAT, HEY, THAT'S NOT USABLE.

BUT THEN I GAVE YOU THIS ONE HERE WITH THAT IN THE MIDDLE, IF I MADE THAT ALL GREEN SPACE, DOES THAT MAKE IT USABLE OR IS IT HALF OF IT THAT'S USABLE SO THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING HERE? OR IS IT HEY, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, CAN WE GO? BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF US ARE. SO WE GET RID OF BUILDING 16 AND FIVE BECAUSE NOW WE GOT GREEN SPACE HERE AND HERE.

IS THAT WHAT'S USABLE? WHAT IS DEFINING OF USABLE AS BEING SURE I GOT I GUESS I GOT TO GET MY HEAD AROUND IT.

IT'S GOT TO BE AN AREA. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M ALREADY GIVING YOU ALL THE AREA.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT'S THAT DEFINITION? I WOULD SAY EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW WITHOUT INFRINGING THE LARGEST PART IS THERE'S NOT A PATH TO IT, AND I DON'T EVEN THINK A PATH CORRECTS IT BECAUSE THE UNITS ONE, 22, 21 AND 20, THEY HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO ACCESS IT.

ACCESS IT? SORRY I SAID THAT WRONG. THAT'S MY FEELING.

OTHER THOUGHTS? YES, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ACREAGE WE'RE LOOKING FOR, IT'S THE THE USABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY. ACTUALLY, THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE A QUESTION TOO, ABOUT THE REAR OF THE SITE. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE EXISTING VEGETATION BACK THERE WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING THE OPEN SPACE.

WHAT'S ARE YOU PLANNING TO KEEP THAT WITH? THE IT SHOULD ALL END UP BEING STAYING THERE.

OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S LIKE INTO THE BUILDINGS ON THIS.

YOU HAVE BUILDINGS SO THROUGH. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S SO HOPEFULLY SOME TREES THAT WE CAN LEAVE BACK THERE.

SO I MEAN, IN PREPARING FOR THIS MEETING, I WAS GOING THROUGH OUR CODE AND LOOKING TO SEE IF WE DID HAVE A DEFINITION.

AND I DON'T THINK WE DO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SO I UNDERSTAND IF IT'S A FRUSTRATION.

AND THAT'S NOT DEFINED. BUT YEAH, TO ME IT'S NOT A FRUSTRATION.

IT'S JUST A GUIDANCE. IT'S JUST A GUIDANCE SO THAT WE CAN I DON'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE ENOUGH WITH YOU GUYS AND EVERYTHING.

I DON'T LIKE TO COME IN HERE WITHOUT HAVING A BACKUP PLAN OR HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK ON TOGETHER TO GET WHAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. YES. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY WHETHER IT IS ONE LARGE AREA THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OR SOME SMALLER AREAS, AND I DON'T MEAN SOME LIKE WHETHER IT QUALIFIES OR NOT,

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THOSE STRIPS OF LAND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, YOU KNOW.

YEAH, BUT, BUT, BUT THAT IS EASILY WALKABLE AND DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH SOMEONE'S YARD OR YOU'RE IN THEIR BACKYARD RIGHT OFF THEIR PATIO. SO, SO SOME BUFFER AND ACCESSIBILITY WOULD BE, I THINK.

SURE. I'LL ADD ONE MORE THING. YES, PLEASE. SO THE THE VERSION YOU GAVE US WITH THE, WITH THE BOULEVARD, EVEN IF YOU CENTERED THAT POND SO THAT THERE WAS GREEN SPACE ON BOTH SIDES, NOW BOTH SIDES OF THE COMMUNITY CAN GET IT WITHOUT HAVING TO WALK TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY. WELL, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS I ALREADY OFFERED AND DOING THAT.

SO IF WE GET TO THE SIZING OF THE POND AND WELL AND END UP PUTTING AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS PUT UNDERGROUND IN A PORTION OF THAT TO CREATE A BIGGER AREA. SO KIND OF WHERE I'M HEADED WITH IT AT THE SAME POINT IS THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF ASKING AREA, IS IT THAT BOULEVARD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE MORE WE GO UNDERGROUND, THE EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE IT GOES, YOU KNOW. SO WHAT IS THAT NUMBER OR HOW MUCH IS IT TO SAY, HEY, I'LL GIVE YOU I'LL GIVE YOU OPEN AREA ON BOTH ENDS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EVEN IN THAT PLAN, I DID GIVE YOU OPEN AREA AT THE END OF ONE OF IT, YOU KNOW.

SO IF I JUST HAVE TO GO AND DO UNDERGROUND STORAGE ON THE OTHER HALF, YOU KNOW, THEN MAYBE THAT HELPS.

YOU KNOW, THEN THAT GIVES YOU ON BOTH ENDS OF IT.

AND I JUST SAY, OKAY, I CAN FIT THE POND. I CAN GET TO THE OPEN AREA AT THE ON THE WHAT WOULD END UP BEING THE EAST END ON THAT DRAWING? AND THEN I CAN GIVE YOU SOME ON THE WEST END.

BUT HOW MUCH IS THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. AM I STILL MEETING MY SAME AREA I HAVE TODAY AND JUST TRANSFERRING THOSE TWO OVER THERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK HERE OR, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GUYS SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT END UP LOOK LIKE SO THAT WE CAN END UP SAYING, HEY, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE AGREE TO.

AND AS LONG AS WE SAY, HEY, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY 1000FT² JUST AS A NUMBER AND JUST SAY, HEY, IF YOU CAN GET 1000FT² OF DEDICATED AREA OR 100 BY 100 OR WHATEVER THAT IS, SO THAT WE HAVE THAT DEFINITION, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT IN CODE, SO THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO GO BY.

SO THERE'S NOTHING FOR YOU GUYS TO GO BY. SO WE'RE WE'RE HERE JUST TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IS REALLY BECAUSE, WELL, WE CAN GO ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND OF WHAT THAT ACTUAL NUMBER ENDS UP BEING OR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO MY THOUGHTS, CHRIS. OKAY. YOU, YOU KNOW THAT WE WANT ACCESSIBILITY FIND AND OPEN AREAS. FIND IT FOR US. I CAN'T WE CAN'T DESIGN IT FOR YOU.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN IT FOR YOU, WE WOULD TAKE OFF 11 BUILDINGS, RIGHT? AND THEN DESIGN IT FOR YOU. SO DO WHAT YOU CAN WITH YOUR LIMITATIONS.

GIVE US SOME ACCESSIBLE OPEN AREA. WE ARE VERY REASONABLE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, HELL, YOU AND I WENT BACK AND FORTH MULTIPLE TIMES.

IF YOU GIVE US SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE, IT MAKES SENSE, AND IT'S EASY, RIGHT? THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO US. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT, BECAUSE THE OPEN SPACE IS TUCKED BEHIND HOUSES.

SO ESPECIALLY WITH THE MARKET OF. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING FOR A COMMUNITY THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE USING THIS OPEN SPACE.

YOU WANT A COMMUNITY THAT IS OUT AND ABOUT. AND MY GUESS IS THAT'S YOUR TARGET.

AND SO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT. ARE YOU ABLE TO IF YOU WENT WITH UNDERGROUND STORAGE. AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S A LAST RESORT JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST.

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO BUILD SOMETHING ON TOP OF IT, SAY A BASKETBALL COURT? OH, YEAH. YOU'D BE ABLE TO. OH, YEAH. YOU CAN PUT ANYTHING ON TOP OF IT. I MEAN, WE PUT ROADS ON TOP OF. WE PUT ROADS, WE PUT DRIVEWAYS ON TOP OF THEM. SO YEAH, WE CAN'T.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, AND DO IT THAT WAY.

SO DO YOU HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER INVOLVED ALREADY? YOU GOT A SITE WORK GUY INVOLVED TOO? WE HAVE BEEN CHECKING WITH SOME ON ON THAT KIND OF STUFF, SO. YEAH, YEAH. UNDERGROUND IS EXPENSIVE. IT IS.

IT'S EXPENSIVE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WITH THE CLIENT AND YOU KNOW, AND I HOPEFULLY WON'T SPEAK OUT OF TURN IS, IS THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND AT THE SAME POINT OF PROVIDING AMENITY AND PROVIDING STUFF ALSO INCREASES THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, VIABILITY AND EVERYTHING. AND, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT IS TO OBVIOUSLY IS LIKE I SAID, FEE SIMPLE SIGN SELL THESE. SOME OF THE BUILDERS AND STUFF ARE LOOKING AT FEE SIMPLE SELL THESE OR CONDO SELL THESE.

SO OBVIOUSLY THAT PLAYS INTO THAT FACTOR AT THE SAME POINT.

AND REALISTICALLY AND AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WE STARTED WITH THE ONE I HANDED OUT TO YOU GUYS AND THEN RAN THE NUMBERS ON IT.

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AND SO IT IS THAT PART OF IT. YOU START HAVE YOU AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REALITY CHECK OF, HEY, THIS IS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET A RETURN ON INVESTMENT? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE, AS YOU'VE SEEN, THE ELEVATIONS AND EVERYTHING LOW END HOUSES INTO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST NOT TRYING TO THROW UP SMALL MULTI-TENANT HOUSES OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE? CAN I JUST GUESS REAL QUICK? SURE. ELEVATION.

BE. COULD YOU GO TO ELEVATION B? WHAT MADE YOU PUT THE HIPS ON THAT ROOF? THE ARCHITECT. YOU DON'T LIKE HIM? I. I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE HIM.

I DON'T LIKE. I WAS GOING TO WAIT FOR DRB, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE THERE.

WHY DO YOU THINK I SAID CHAD? THEY ARE. THEY ARE OUT OF STYLE.

15 YEARS. OKAY. YEAH. IT DOESN'T. IT'S NOT A CLEAN LOOK.

YEAH. THAT WAS ONE OF MY COMMENTS TO STAFF B.

REDO THAT ROOF LINE OR HAVE YOUR ARCHITECT REDO THAT.

THAT'S AN EASY ONE TO FIX, RIGHT? I DON'T MIND.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ELEVATION. I KNOW, I KNOW, YOU DON'T.

I HAD TO GET THAT OFF MY BRAIN. SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE CLIENTS ARE HERE FROM NEW YORK, SO, YOU KNOW I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS IS IS THERE A CHANCE FOR A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL IF I GO WITH THE PLAN I SENT YOU GUYS ON YOUR DESKTOP THERE WHERE WE DO THAT AND CREATE AN OPEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, STICKING WITH THE UNIT COUNT WE GOT, THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG ASK, CHRIS.

I KNOW IT IS. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, BUT I DON'T. THIS SHEET THAT YOU GAVE US.

YEAH. THE BOULEVARD SHEET. THE BOULEVARD SHEET.

YEAH, I, I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH IT, BUT THIS WASN'T WHAT WAS PRESENTED.

WELL, KNOWING THAT WE STILL REMEMBER YOU'RE DOING DENSITY AND WE STILL GOT TO GO THROUGH DRB IN ORDER TO GET FINE TUNED INTO THAT OPEN AREA.

AND YOU HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE TO REPRESENT YOU THERE.

AT THE SAME TIME. BUT OR IS IT I DON'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME AGAIN EITHER.

AND I DON'T WANT TO COME IN HERE. I DON'T WANT TO COME IN HERE AND PRESENT THAT, PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE AND SAY, HEY GUYS, I DON'T CARE. I MAKE THE WHOLE BOULEVARD A LAND THING, AND YOU GUYS SAY, I'M STILL NOT APPROVING YOUR UNIT COUNT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEN WE WASTED OUR TIME AGAIN.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADED WITH IT. IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS, CAN WE STILL GET OUR UNIT COUNT, OR IS IT. HEY. THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE EVER GOING TO APPROVE IT AND GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US IS THE DENSITY BONUS, RIGHT? NOT THE LAYOUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THOUGH. THAT WAS A FOCUS OF MY OWN, ADMITTEDLY, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S DRIVEN BY DENSITY.

BONUS. IT IS. I MEAN, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE ADDED FEATURES AND APPROVE THIS, I THINK WE CAN'T I MEAN, BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE LAYOUT.

RIGHT. OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST BECAUSE WE ARE, IF WE APPROVE A DENSITY BONUS, DOES NOT MEAN YOU NEED TO FOR SURE INCLUDE 22 BUILDINGS. IF THE SOLUTION IS 21 BUILDINGS, 18 BUILDINGS TO MAKE THE SITE WORK.

THAT'S A FUTURE SUBMISSION. I WOULD ALSO GO SO FAR AS TO SAY, IF YOU CAME BACK TO US WITH A DIFFERENT DENSITY BONUS, WE'D BE MORE APT TO APPROVE ANY OF THE DESIGNS THAT FIT THAT DENSITY BONUS.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND A DESIGN WE'RE GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH WITH THIS HIGH DENSITY.

BUT WE COULD. YEAH. YEAH. I WAS WONDERING IF THE THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS YOU'RE GOING TO GO WITH, OR IS THERE FLEXIBILITY IN THE DESIGN TO ACCOMMODATE THE DENSITY BONUS.

LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. BUT ARE YOU GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURES TO MANIPULATE THEM TO GET TO THE DENSITY BONUS THAT'S REQUIRED. OR ARE YOU GOING TO STICK WITH JUST THIS SIZE, THIS BLOCK? WE'RE PROBABLY. THAT'S WHY I'M HESITANT. I WOULD RATHER THAT'S WHY I WOULD.

EVERYONE KEEPS TURNING TO ME. CAN YOU JUST REITERATE? I DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND. SO HE WANTS TO KNOW HOW MUCH FLEXIBILITY IS IN THE ARCHITECTURE INTO THE FOOTPRINT.

LET'S GO WITH THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. WITH THE IT SHRINKING IT.

ENLARGING IT, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. WELL, BUT TO TO WORK TO ACCOMMODATE A NEW LAYOUT, I THINK YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES TO, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT COME UP WITH A THIRD UNIT OPTION,

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FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WORKS BETTER, THAT IT ACHIEVES ALL, MEETS ALL YOUR REQUIREMENTS, BUT OPENS THE SPACE UP.

I'M JUST MAKING A SUGGESTION. THAT'S WHY I'M LEANING AGAINST DOING A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS FEEL. AND THERE ARE TWO LEVELS OF THE DENSITY BONUS.

SO IT IS LEVEL ONE THAT WOULD ALLOW TWO ADDITIONAL UNITS PER ACRE INSTEAD OF THE FOUR ADDITIONAL UNITS PER ACRE.

SO THAT WOULD ALLOW SIX UNITS PER ACRE INSTEAD OF THE STANDARD FOUR, WHICH WOULD BE 16.9 BUILDINGS FOR THIS SITE. SO THAT WOULD REDUCE IT FROM 22 DOWN TO 16 BUILDINGS THAT THE MATH DOESN'T MATH FOR, FOR THE PROPERTY, DOING TWO EXTRA HOUSES DOESN'T US APPROVING IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO THEM.

I THINK YOU NEED TO START WITH A I THINK YOU NEED TO START WITH THE SITE.

RIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS HERE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I CAN STAY UP HERE, BUT YOU GOTTA COME UP FRONT.

AND BY CHANCE, JUST FOR YOU. YEAH. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

ALL RIGHT. HI, GUYS. I'M LEAH. GOOD TO MEET YOU.

CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS, TOO? NEW YORK. IT'S 908 HEWLETT DRIVE, VALLEY STREAM, NEW YORK.

SO I JUST CHAT. IN REGARDS TO YOUR POINT, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE DID PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE PRODUCT TYPE, AND WE WE KNOW MARYSVILLE IS A GROWING AREA. IT'S NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, WE RESPECT YOUR WORK A TON.

I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. AND WE SPECIFICALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT'S COMPETING WITH YOUR PRODUCT.

INSTEAD, IT COMPLEMENTS THE FACT THAT IT IS A GROWING AREA WITH MORE FAMILIES MOVING IN.

SO WE DID PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE PRODUCT TYPE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT STAYS COMPETITIVE AND ATTRACTIVE.

YOU KNOW, FISHER HOMES IS FIVE MINUTES DOWN FROM US, SKY BROOK.

THEY'RE BUILDING DUPLEX PATIOS, BUT THEY'RE REALLY SMALL, RIGHT? THEY'RE STARTING AT 315 A PIECE, AND THEN BY THE TIME YOU'RE AT CLOSING, YOU'RE PAYING 350 TO 370 WITH ALL THE OPTIONS.

WE'RE AT A PRODUCT THAT STAYS REALLY COMPETITIVE WITH THE MARKET.

IT'S MUCH LARGER. IT SUPPORTS GROWING FAMILIES AND WOULD PROBABLY SELL SLIGHTLY ABOVE THAT PRODUCT AT 3.70 APIECE.

SO WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY ATTRACTIVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR ALL THOSE NUMBERS.

I JUST GOT INTO IT. BUT I JUST TO CHAD'S POINT, LIKE WE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE PRODUCT TYPE.

AND, YOU KNOW, TO PAGE TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AND TO WHAT ALL OF YOU ARE SAYING.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, YEAH, I DO THINK US ADDING MORE CLEAR, OPEN SPACES WOULD BE INCREDIBLE BECAUSE IT JUST SUPPORTS THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THESIS AROUND THIS PRODUCT. SO WE'RE WE'RE ALL FOR THAT.

AND IT WOULD BE AMAZING IF WE COULD TRY TO GET SOME TYPE OF CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.

SO JUST COMING BACK NEXT MONTH AND TAKING IT TO CRB, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ALL BOATS ON DECK, LIKE WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE SUPPORTED IN THOSE EFFORTS. IT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL. OKAY.

YEAH. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION BECAUSE ACTUALLY, JEFF, YOU TRIGGERED IT FOR ME AND ASKED, SO ARE YOU APPROVING US FOR A LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO UPGRADE? SO IT GIVES US UP TO EIGHT. AND WHETHER WE END UP AT SIX OR WHETHER WE END UP AT SEVEN OR ARE WE GETTING IT FOR WHAT NUMBER WE ACTUALLY HAVE ON THERE, I GUESS I GUESS IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE FOR THE LEVELS.

RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. JEFF HAD THROWN OUT THAT WE COULD APPROVE YOU FOR LEVEL ONE, BUT IF LEVEL ONE DOESN'T DO WHAT YOU NEED IT TO DO ECONOMICALLY FOR YOUR SPACE. THEN WHAT'S I MEAN, RIGHT? DOESN'T WORK. YEAH, BUT IT COULD BE LEVEL TWO AND BE AT 6.1.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? CORRECT. YOU KNOW. I MEAN, I APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO MOVE ALONG, BUT I MEAN, LIKE, IF WE VOTE FOR IT AND ECONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THEM STILL.

RIGHT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GO FROM THE 22 UNITS TO THE 11 UNITS.

BUT THERE IS A THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND TOO. IF, IF, IF THAT WOULD HAVE WORKED FOR HIM AND PROVIDED MORE OPEN SPACE.

YOU GUYS ARE REQUESTING. I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ECONOMICALLY IT WORKS AT SIX UNITS PER ACRE. WE I THINK I'M I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.

RIGHT. I KNOW MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE I'M MORE CONFIDENT THAT THE SITE WOULD WORK OUT BETTER.

NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYONE ELSE. BUT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE CUTTING OFF 11 MORE BUILDINGS,

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SO WE'RE CUTTING OFF 11 MORE UNITS. IS WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEVEL ONE AND LEVEL TWO, BECAUSE IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT 11 UNITS. OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE IF WE'RE AT 422, IT'S 11 BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. SIX UNITS PER ACRE. BUT THEN THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO COME BACK AND SHOW AN IMPROVED SPACE AND TRY TO GET THE EIGHT THAT WE ORIGINALLY CAME IN FOR. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? NO. WHAT? GO AHEAD. OR IF WE APPROVE THEM FOR ONE DENSITY BONUS AND THEY COME BACK FOR ANOTHER.

IT WOULD BE ODD, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY. LIKE FOR THE LEVEL ONE.

AND THEN THEY CAME BACK. THEY MAKE THE REVISIONS AND SHOW US THAT THEY CAN MAKE TWO WORK.

IT'S A I JUST WOULD WAIT THEN I WOULDN'T SUBMIT TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS FOR THAT.

CAN WE HAVE TWO MINUTES? BECAUSE IT'S EVERYBODY THESE THINGS? SURE. I MEAN, YEAH. TIME'S TICKING THOUGH. YEAH, YEAH.

COMING UP ON FOUR HOURS FOR A MEETING. SORRY, BUT.

YOU'RE. PRETTY CLOSE. YEAH. I'M DONE. SO, MR. BLAND, YOU'RE SAYING. YOU KNOW. I KNOW YOU DO.

I JUST WISH YOU WOULDN'T HAVE PUSHED IT TO THE END. ME NEITHER.

BOB. YEAH. IT'S LIKE, DO WE DO THE QUICK ONES FIRST OR.

YEAH. IT'S NOT AS YOUNG AS I USED TO BE. IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME.

IT'S CLOSED. YOU SEE, IT'S YOUR ANNIVERSARY ALSO.

YEAH, IT IS MINE TODAY. NINE YEARS. NINE YEARS.

IT'S OKAY. AT LEAST IT'S NOT NEXT YEAR. I'M TRYING.

I'M ACTIVELY TRYING.

NO. MEDIA.

OKAY, BRING IT UP, CHRIS. LET'S SEE WHAT YOU GOT.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT. WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS IT, OR IF NOT, WE'LL.

WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT HERE. SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND IN THAT TO TO STILL HIT THE LEVEL TWO IS THAT WE TAKE THIS UNIT OUT AND GIVES US THIS OPEN SPACE HERE. TAKES CARE OF THE T INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW WE'LL STILL HAVE WE'LL STILL HAVE OUR ACCESS THERE. GIVE THIS ONE UP AND THEN GIVE THIS ONE UP FOR OPEN SPACE TO GIVE YOU OPEN SPACE THAT'S OUT USABLE FOR EVERYBODY. AN AMENITY IN THE OPEN SPACE, A PLAYGROUND OR PICKLEBALL COURT OR ANYTHING.

I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PLAYGROUND. I DON'T THINK I WOULD GO WITH PICKLEBALL COURT OR ANYTHING. I DON'T LIKE DOING THOSE ONES. I DON'T LIKE DOING DOG PARKS

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JUST BASED ON MY APARTMENT EXPERIENCE. THEY SAY, YEAH, IT'S GREAT TO GET THEM IN, BUT YOU PUT THEM IN. NOBODY ELSE DOES. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY END UP WALKING IN, GOING ON EVERYBODY'S YARD ANYWAYS.

SO IT'S NOT WORTH, IT'S NOT WORTH THE AND THAT THAT PART OF IT.

OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK IF ONE IS REMOVED THEN THAT WHOLE AREA FROM THE CURRENT GREEN BOX TO THE RIGHT BECOMES OPEN.

CORRECT. THAT, THAT THAT DEAD END GOES AWAY. YEAH.

AND WE CAN EVEN DO, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THAT ONE AND SAY, LET'S CALL IT A PLAYGROUND, WE'LL EVEN THROW PARKING SPACES UP THERE. AND THEN THAT WAY THERE'S SOMEWHERE, IF THEY NEED TO COME UP AND HAVE A PARKING SPOT IN ORDER TO COME UP AND STOP OR WHATEVER, WHERE IS YOUR MAILBOX IS GOING TO GO? WELL, WE END UP BECAUSE OF THIS IS THE DUPLEX ISN'T THE SAME.

AND JUST LIKE JOHN SAYS, EVERYBODY GETS A MAILBOX. SO.

WE'RE NOT PUTTING A MAIL KIOSK IN LIKE THAT, SINCE THAT'S WHAT IT'S DONE FOR ALL THE OTHER DUPLEXES IN THE AREA.

THEY ALL HAVE. AND THE POST OFFICE AGREED TO THAT.

YEAH, THAT WAS THE THEY AGREED TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW, NOT PHYSICALLY ASKING FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE EVERYWHERE ELSE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD DENY THAT FOR US. THEY'VE BEEN PUSHING THE.

YEAH. BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY. YEAH.

YOU'LL BE PUTTING ONE AT BESIDE BUILDING TWO.

OKAY. YEAH. WE CAN ADD THAT. YEAH. THAT EVEN MAKES EVEN MORE SENSE.

WE'LL GET RID OF BUILDING NUMBER ONE. AND WE CAN HAVE THE MAIL KIOSK THERE AND PARKING AND A PLAYGROUND. YEAH.

OKAY. AND THAT WOULD TAKE US TO. THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY.

SO THAT WOULD BE. THAT PUTS US HALF A UNIT OVER THE SIX. AND WE CAN PLAY WITH THOSE SPACES AROUND A LITTLE BIT, TOO, IF THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY. I MEAN, THAT WAS JUST AN EASY ONE HERE TO SAY, HEY, WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT, GET RID OF THE THE ROAD AT THE SAME POINT, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S NO REASON THAT THAT CAN'T BE THAT BUILDING THAT ONE STAYS AND CAN'T BE THAT ONE OR THAT ONE TO PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE IF WE WANT EITHER.

I WAS SAYING OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT APPROVING THAT ASPECT OF IT, BUT I WOULD MAYBE SUGGEST THAT SINCE YOU'RE TAKING OUT ONE OF THE UNITS THAT IS TWO CAR GARAGES THAT YOU CONSIDER MAKING ONE OR THE OTHER ONE CARS, A TWO CAR.

OKAY, MAYBE LIKE 20, 20, 21, 22, ONE OF THOSE REALLY SHOULD BEGIN TO FOCUS ON THE ITEMS WHICH ARE QUALIFYING FOR THE DENSITY BONUS. ARE WE OKAY TO AT LEAST MOVE ON TO THAT DISCUSSION.

OKAY. LET'S GO THROUGH THE ITEMS. SO SO YOU NEED.

ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT THEY'RE CALLED. CORRECT.

OKAY. SO SO WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING TO HAVE? WE NEED TO HAVE SIX FEATURES AND THEY GO BY.

WHEN YOU END UP DOING THESE, YOU HAVE TO DO BY CONSENSUS TWO STORY.

YOU GOT TO DO IT BY FLOOR ALSO. SO IT IS WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO PER FLOOR IS WHAT ENDS UP DOING.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATOR I'M JUST GONNA PICK THE FRONT ELEVATION TO START WITH. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO HAVE TWO FEATURES ON THE BOTTOM.

SO WE'VE GOT THE COVERED PORCH AND WE'VE GOT THE DOORWAYS FOR THE 28FT².

THEN FOR THE SECOND FLOOR, WE'VE GOT THE WINDOWS THAT END UP COVERING US WITH THREE WINDOWS THAT ARE TEN FEET APART.

OBVIOUSLY THE ONES IN THE CENTER ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE BECAUSE THAT'S CONSIDERED ONE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TEN FEET APART.

SO THEY ONLY QUALIFY AS ONE. AND THEN A ROOF VENT IS ALSO LISTED AS WE ADDED THE ROOF VENT TO THE TOP, WHICH ALSO CONSISTS OF A UNIT. SO BY THE COUNT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SIX.

AND WE HAVE EIGHT ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. ON THE SIDES WHICH ARE THE EXACT SAME.

AND CODE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE CODE OF THAT TWO AND IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR, BUT TECHNICALLY WE GOT COVERED PORCHES ON BOTH SIDES.

SO IT KIND OF COVERS IT BUT DOESN'T. BUT ON THE SIDES WE HAVE THE SAME THING WE HAVE.

FOR THE FIRST FLOOR WE HAVE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE TEN FEET APART.

SO THOSE QUALIFY. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO WINDOWS UP TOP.

AND THE ROOF. DOES THAT REQUIRED TO HAVE FOUR ON THAT SIDE WHICH IN TURNS WE HAVE FIVE FRONT.

BOTH SIDES ARE THE EXACT SAME. AND THEN THE REAR ELEVATIONS AGAIN WE HAVE THE THE SAME THING WHERE WE HAVE THE BACK DOORS, WHICH ARE THE LARGE DOORS. WE HAVE OVERHANGS ON THEM.

FOR THE PORCH WE HAVE THE WINDOWS FOR THE SECOND STORY.

SO THAT GIVES US ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR ON THAT ONE.

I THINK IT IS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE WINDOWS UP TOP THAT QUALIFIED HIGHLIGHTED AT THE SAME POINT.

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BUILDING B YOU KNOW, IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT ONE IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT ONE.

OKAY. SO THOSE WERE THE UPGRADES. OBVIOUSLY WE DID THE YOU KNOW THE BAT AND BOARD AND BATTEN TO BREAK IT UP AND DIMENSIONAL SHINGLES.

AND WE CAN TAKE THE HIT PART OUT OF THE ROOF THERE AND MAKE THAT FOR DRB CHANGES.

SO THIS ONE IS PRETTY MUCH THE EXACT SAME. IT JUST ENDS UP BEING, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER VERSION IS REALLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE END UP LOSING THE THE LARGE, THE TWO CAR GARAGE. SO WE STILL HAVE THE DOORS, WE STILL HAVE THE OVERHANGS.

WE GOT THE WINDOWS IN THE ROOF FENCE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, FOUR.

AND THEN WE HAVE SEVEN AND REQUIRED TO HAVE SIX FOR THE FRONT ELEVATION.

SIDE ELEVATION. SAME THING. WE GOT THE WINDOWS ON THE BOTTOM. THEN WE HAVE THE ACTUAL HAVE MORE SEPARATION ON THE WINDOWS AT THE TOP.

SO WE ACTUALLY PICK UP AN EXTRA POINT ON THAT SIDE ELEVATION IN ORDER TO GIVE US OUR OUR FOUR END UP GIVING US OUR SIX NUMBER THERE.

AND ON THE BOTTOM WE END UP HAVING THE WINDOWS THAT ARE TEN FEET, THE DOORS AND THE ONES IN THE TOP IN ORDER TO GET US OUR SAME NUMBER THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FOR THAT. SO I HOPE THAT WAS EASY AND CLARIFIES IT.

SO DID IT WAS MY INTENT. SURE. AND JEFF, JUST WANT TO VERIFY BECAUSE I HAD QUITE A FEW COMMENTS ON THE ORIGINAL.

THEN THE RESPONSE LETTER SEEMED LIKE YOU AGREED WITH HOW THEY WERE ACHIEVING, SO THEY ADJUSTED LIKE THE DOOR SIZE AND SOME OF THE WINDOW SIZE TO TO MEET THE CODE. STIPULATIONS, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY, LIKE THE DOORS WERE WHEN WE SCALED THEM, THEY WERE LIKE 20FT², NOT 28FT². SO LIKE THEY DIDN'T COUNT.

BUT NOW THAT THEY'RE AT THE 28FT², THEY WOULD COUNT.

SO THEY DID ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS. OKAY. DOES THE COVERED ENTRY AS SHOWN REALLY MEET OUR STANDARD AS A DESIGN FEATURE? WITH THE PORT, THE PORCH? I MEAN, WHEN I THINK OF A PORCH, I THINK OF A PORCH FOR A SITTING PORCH, NOT A STOOP OR A FRONT ENTRY, BECAUSE EVERY HOUSE IS GOING TO HAVE A COVERED FRONT ENTRY.

WHAT INTEREST OF FAIRNESS THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TEN BY AT LEAST TEN FEET.

LOOK AT THE OTHER ONE. THE TWO CAR GARAGE ONE.

THAT'S FIVE FEET JUST OVER THE DOOR. YEAH. THAT DOOR IS 36IN.

AND. YEAH, THAT'S FIVE FOOT.

THAT DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT.

ANYONE. SORRY. I JUST HAD IT, AND I LOST IT.

REQUIRED TO HAVE 16 FEATURES BY CODE, PLUS TWO MORE FOR THE DENSITY BONUS ALLOWANCE FOR EACH BUILDING.

[6. To hear an application for a Conditional Use application for a Religious Place of Worship located at 111, 151 Morey Drive and Parcel 2900021574000.]

WE PROVIDE 27 FEATURES FOR BUILDING A AND 26 FOR BUILDING B, SO IF WE DON'T COUNT THAT PORCH, YOU STILL HAVE IT. YOU'D STILL NEED IT SO IT DOESN'T QUALIFY.

IT CHECKS THE BOX FOR THAT. YEAH. I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH.

YEAH. OKAY. SO IF WE DON'T COUNT IT BECAUSE OF IT'S A STOOP, NOT A PORCH.

THERE ARE ENOUGH OTHER FEATURES, BY DEFINITION, WOULD QUALIFY.

YEAH. SO FOR WITHIN THE CODE, WITHIN THE CODE SECTION, IT STATES THAT A DOOR WITH AN AWNING WINDOW, FAUX WINDOW. SO I THINK YOUR DOOR WITH THAT SMALL COVERED STOOP THAT WOULD COUNT AS, THAT COULD COUNT AS ONE ITEM JUST AS REFERENCE. AND THAT WOULD NOT BE SEPARATE.

I WOULD AGREE WITH I MEAN, JUST ABOUT ANY DOORWAY WOULD HAVE THAT.

SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A ADDED FEATURE, BUT.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. YEAH, NO I AGREE. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES? I CAN MAKE A COMMENT. SURE. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD.

THE LARGE GABLE. TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE ATTRACTIVE IF IT WAS BROKEN UP.

AND MAYBE YOU HAD A DOUBLE GABLE. AND THEN WHEN YOU ADJUSTED THE ARCHITECTURE ACCORDINGLY, THAT WOULD HELP THAT THAT ELEVATION. MAYBE THE SMALLER OF THE TWO GABLES BECOMES, YOU KNOW,

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