Oct 07, 2025 Planning Commission

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GOOD EVENING. IT IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 7TH, 2025 AT 630. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? PAIGE LAUB HERE. MR. INGLE IS EXCUSED FOR THE EVENING. MATTHEW FISHER HERE. MICHAEL NICKERSON HERE. MISS VARGAS IS EXCUSED FOR THE EVENING. CHAD WOLLOWITZ HERE. ROB. STILL HERE? ALL RIGHT.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ASIDE FROM FROM THAT CHANGE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THANK YOU. NEXT WILL

[SWEARING OF CITIZENS & APPLICANTS]

[1. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1123.29 Open Space Regulations.]

SO THE FIRST TWO ITEMS HERE THAT ARE ON OLD BUSINESS WERE ITEMS THAT WERE TABLED FROM THE SEPTEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE LOOKED INTO. WE'LL HAVE SOME UPDATES ON THESE. SO UPDATED LANGUAGE.

THERE'LL BE IN BLUE ON THESE SLIDES. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE 1123 .29 GENERALLY APPLICABLE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR OPEN SPACE RETENTION AND DETENTION BASINS. WE HAD MET COUNCIL WORK SESSION LAST YEAR. PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ZONING. WORKING GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS ITEM AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. IT WAS TABLED. THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE SLOPE OF THE RETENTION PONDS. SO WE DID SOME DIGGING INTO THAT, WORKED WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THIS SECTION. WE'RE REMOVING DETENTION PONDS FROM THE CALCULATIONS. WE'RE ALLOWING RETENTION PONDS WITH ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND THEN RETENTION DETENTION BASIN AND MAN MADE POND DESIGN STANDARDS ARE BEING ADDED TO THE SECTION. THE PROPOSED CODE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OPEN SPACE DESIGNATED FOR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES, AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD LANGUAGE OF INCLUDING RECREATIONAL PONDS. THIS IS THE SAME AS LAST MONTH'S. FOR THE PROPOSED CODE, WE ARE REMOVING DETENTION AREAS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. RETENTION AREAS MAY BE CALCULATED AS OPEN SPACE, BUT SHALL NOT ACCOUNT FOR MORE THAN 30% OF THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE. IF ALL OF THE FOLLOWING ARE PROVIDED AROUND OR IN THE BASIN, SO THEY MUST PROVIDE A WALKING PATH. SEATING AREAS, WILDLIFE HABITAT, FOUNTAINS AND ENHANCED LANDSCAPE AREAS. 5% GREATER THAN WHAT IS THE STANDARD IN THIS SECTION. AND THEN WE ARE REMOVING THIS LANGUAGE FROM COMMERCIAL, SO WE ARE NOT COUNTING RETENTION OR DETENTION AREAS AS ANY PART OF OPEN SPACE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS. FROM LAST MEETING THE CHANGE THAT WE MADE, WE ADDED NUMBER ONE PER THE DIVISION OF ENGINEERING, STORMWATER DRAINAGE MANUAL BASINS OR PONDS SHALL HAVE SIDE SLOPES APPROVED BY THE DIVISION OF ENGINEERING. ALL THE OTHER ITEMS WERE THE SAME FROM LAST MONTH. AND THEN THIS IS SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE MANUAL. SO

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ONE MORE. WHO DICTATES WILDLIFE HABITAT AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I THINK THEY PROBABLY LET ME TURN MY MIC ON HERE. I THINK THEY'D PROBABLY HAVE TO SHOW US WHAT WILDLIFE WOULD BE WITHIN THAT AREA. IF THERE'S BIRDS. FISH. COULD IT BE AS SIMPLE AS, LIKE BUTTERFLY GRASS, YOU KNOW, OR FOR POLLINATION OR WHATNOT? POLLINATOR HABITAT OF SOME SORT. IT MIGHT NOT BE BAD FOR US. YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THIS IN TONIGHT, COME BACK AND MAYBE ADD A DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR ON THE REVIEW SIDE OF THINGS IS EVERYTHING ELSE IS EASILY DEFINED. WALKING, EATING FOUNTAINS, WILDLIFE HABITAT IS NOT EASY. YEAH. PAST PROJECTS I'VE DONE WORK FOR DNR. THEY THERE'S LIKE SPECIFIC PLANTINGS THAT GIVE OFF BERRIES OR FOR CERTAIN WILDLIFE. SO I THINK IT PROBABLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT VEGETATION GOES IN. OTHER THAN THAT LET'S APPROVE IT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH. APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS CITIZEN COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU.

SECOND SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE, MR. FISHER. YES, MISS LAUB? YES. MR. YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES.

[2. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Sections 1107.18 and Section 1107.19 - Reserved changing to Flood Areas and Flood Areas changing to Residential Architecture in SRD, VRD, HMD, UT, USF.]

FOR GARAGES. WE ARE UPDATING IT SO WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THIS ONE IN ARED FOR GARAGES, JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THEIR LOTS AND, AND SOME OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE LOTS FOR ARED IT'S KIND OF MORE AG FOCUSED. SO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND SR VRD, HMD, UDT AND USF. SO THIS WOULD BE SUBSECTION A. SO WE'RE ADDING THAT TO THAT.

THE PURPOSE STAYS THE SAME AS IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER, AS THERE ARE NO COMMENTS ON THAT SECTION FOR GARAGE LOCATION. THE THE DISCUSSION LAST MONTH WAS THAT GARAGE SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF TWO FEET BEHIND THE FRONT EDGE OF THE PORCH, AND THE PORCH CAN PROJECT OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE OR BE EVEN WITH FLUSH OF THE HOUSE. AND THEN IF NO PORCH EXISTS, THE GARAGE SHALL NOT BE THE MOST FORWARD PART OF THE HOUSE, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE EITHER FLUSH WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE OR BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE FACADE. THERE'S SOME IMAGES THAT WE'VE UPDATED TO SHOW WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AND THEN WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED. CAN WE STOP HERE FOR A SECOND? DIDN'T WE DISCUSS THAT THE PORCH HAD TO BE HAVE A ROOF ON IT TO LIKE FOR THE FIRST IMAGE BY THE GREEN CHECK MARK? DOES THAT PORCH HAVE A ROOF? YES OR NO? IF IT HAS A PORCH, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET OUR DEFINITION. THE DEFINITION, THE STANDARDS

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BUT NOT ENCLOSED. SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO SAY THAT IN THIS THE PORCH ROOF. NO, NO NO. THE LOCATION OF WHERE THAT PORCH IS DEFINED ELSEWHERE IN THE PORCH IS DEFINED BY HAVING A ROOF.

OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. WE DID DO THE WE DID THAT THE WHOLE DISCUSSION IN SEPTEMBER. YEAH, YEAH. GOOD. YEAH. AND THEN FOR GARAGE LOCATION FOR B FACILITY GARAGES WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE.

THE GARAGE STRUCTURE SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF TWO FEET BEHIND THE FRONT EDGE OF THE PORCH. THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA IS THE SAME LANGUAGE AS A. BUT IN OUR STAFF REPORT WE DID NOT HAVE THIS INCLUDED. BUT WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING STUFF TODAY, WE THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD THIS. SO IF WE PASS THIS, THIS MIGHT BE A CONDITION TO ADD THIS LANGUAGE IN BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. ABOUT IF NO PORCH EXISTS, THAT IT CAN'T BE IN FRONT OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO SIMILAR TO THE FRONT LOADING GARAGES. AND THEN THE GARAGE BAY QUANTITY. THIS IS THE SAME AS SEPTEMBER. EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH IT, NO MORE THAN THREE BAYS, SO NO CHANGES WERE MADE TO THIS SECTION OF IT. GARAGE DOOR DESIGN. WE KIND OF WE WE DECIDED WITH THE DISCUSSION FROM SEPTEMBER'S MEETING TO JUST HAVE FRONT LOADED LOAD AND REAR LOADED ALL THE SAME THAT THE GARAGE DOOR SHALL HAVE AT LEAST TWO DESIGN FEATURES.

SOMETHING'S APPROVED BY THE BOARD OR COMMISSION, AND THE DESIGN FEATURES ARE AS FOLLOWS.

THE RAISED PANELING OR ARCHITECTURAL RELIEF FEATURE. PERMANENT HARDWARE PAINT COLOR OTHER THAN WHITE. ONE OR MORE PANEL ROWS OF WINDOWS OF DESIRED VERTICAL WINDOWS DESIGNS. OTHER SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS THAT THE BOARD DETERMINES OR THE COMMISSION. AND THAT IS IT. WHY DO WE LAND ON TWO DESIGN FEATURES, NOT THREE? THERE WAS A DISCUSSION. THERE WAS DISCUSSION WITH LIKE THE RAISED PANELING DOOR. THAT WAS ONE THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD FOR FRONT LOADING GARAGES AND SIDE LOADED HAD TO HAVE A RAISED PANEL DOOR. BUT THEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT THERE'S SOME NICE ARCHITECTURAL WOOD DOORS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY PANELED OR RAISED, BUT THEY LOOK RAISED, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY RAISED.

AND AND SO IT WAS KIND OF HOW HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THAT INSTEAD OF REQUIRING ALL OF THEM TO BE RAISED? BECAUSE MY ARGUMENT WAS GOING TO BE EVERY METAL, ALMOST EVERY METAL GARAGE DOOR HAS RAISED PANELS NOW. BUT THAT IS A GOOD POINT. WOOD. SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE DISCUSSION IN SEPTEMBER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? BACK TO THE LOCATIONS. I THINK WE DISCUSSED IT BRIEFLY, BUT IN HOMES THAT HAVE THAT KIND OF COURTYARD TURNAROUND TYPE DRIVEWAY AND HAVING THE GARAGES COME OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT DISCUSSION. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE CATEGORIZED UNDER THE SIDE LOADED FROM WHAT THE RESEARCH WE HAD BEEN DOING. I THINK THAT FALLS UNDER A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GARAGE, LIKE A CARRIAGE COURT. I THINK THAT WAS CATEGORIZED. SO I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO EVALUATE THAT SEPARATELY. DO WE JUST WANT TO PUT IN A TEXT THAT SAYS EXCLUDING THAT TYPE OF AND THEN JUST KIND OF LEAVE IT UP TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IF YOU IF YOU MEET THAT TYPE OF DRIVEWAY. SO CARRIAGE COURT HAS THE FRONT DOOR FACING THE STREET AND A GARAGE TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK WE SAID RIGHT. GARAGE. BUT IT'S IN THE HOUSE. RIGHT.

BUT ALSO ATTACHED. ALSO ATTACHED. YES. YEAH. CATHERINE HAS A GOOD POINT THAT MAYBE WE WOULD JUST REVIEW THAT UNDER THE ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE AS DETERMINED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. SO IF WE FELT LIKE THE CARRIAGE COURT WAS, WE COULD CONSIDER THAT A SIDE LOAD.

BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN TYPICAL CYCLES GARAGE. MAYBE THAT'S WHERE. THE TERM AND LESS. ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE AS DETERMINED. BUT IS THERE GOING TO BE WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO DO A. EXAMPLE IN A CARRIAGE COURT AS AN EXAMPLE IN THE TEXT? SEE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D CONSIDER THE COURT. THERE'S NO LIKE. RIGHT. WELL, IT'S THE WAY THE YOU'RE PULLING IN KIND OF A TURNAROUND IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE THERE. I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY LOOKS

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WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT TO MODIFY IT UNTIL AFTER IT GETS THROUGH COUNCIL. CORRECT? YEAH.

SO WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH. YEAH. I MEAN NOT THAT WE'RE IN A HURRY, BUT YEAH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR TYPE GARAGE BUT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD CITIZEN COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. AND I ONLY NEED ONE MOTION. SO ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. FISHER. YES, MISS LAUB? YES. MR. YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES.

MR. WOLLOWITZ. YES. ALL RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. THAT MOVES US TO NEW BUSINESS. FIRST ITEM OF NEW

[1. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1105.09 - Residential Subdivision Lot Variability.]

YES. DO A VOTE AS WE GO. YEP. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU JEFF. YEAH GREAT. IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AGAIN. MY NAME IS JEFF GREEN. I'M A PRINCIPAL WITH CLARION ASSOCIATES. I'VE GOT A SLIDE THAT EXPLAINS WHO WE ARE. BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS NOW. AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE WERE COUNTING, AND I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A TOTAL OF 23 TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THIS WORKING GROUP PROCESS, AND THAT'S A LOT. AND SO WE WERE REALLY BROUGHT ON

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OUR ROLE REALLY WAS TO TO LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP, WHAT ISSUE THEY WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH CHANGES TO THE CODE. WE DID SOME RESEARCH. WE BUILT ON SOME OF THE WORK THAT CITY STAFF HAD DONE, AND WE PRESENTED RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE WORKING GROUP FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO TRY TO ADD TO THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. I WILL SAY THAT AS A MEMBER OF THE MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP CAN ATTEST, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY RAISED THAT WERE NOT THAT ARE NOT ADDRESSED IN THESE AMENDMENTS. THEY JUST REQUIRED A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT, A LITTLE MORE CONSIDERATION BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT WE DO HAVE 11 AMENDMENTS HERE TO GO THROUGH. CLARION. WE ARE A MID-SIZED PLANNING CONSULTING FIRM. WE HAVE TWO OFFICES IN CHAPEL HILL, NORTH CAROLINA AND DENVER. WE ALSO HAVE AFFILIATE OFFICES, ONE OF THEM IN OHIO. WE HAVE REALLY TWO MAIN PRACTICE AREAS. ABOUT HALF OF OUR PRACTICE IS WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES ON UPDATES TO COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, AND THE OTHER HALF IS WORKING ON PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. AND A LOT OF THAT IS WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES ON COMPREHENSIVE UPDATES TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS MAP HERE. THE BLUE ONES ARE SORT OF THE ZONING PROJECTS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON. SO YOU CAN SEE WE'VE WORKED ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE'VE HAD PROJECTS IN OHIO ACTUALLY JUST YESTERDAY I THINK TODAY'S TUESDAY, RIGHT.

SO YESTERDAY WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING FOR A ZONING EVALUATION PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN. SO A LOT OF OHIO WORK THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING RIGHT NOW AND A LOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IS WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES ON HOW TO TAKE THEIR IDEAS, TAKE THEIR VISIONS TO ADDRESS THE DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE HAVING, AND TO MAKE REVISIONS TO THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE TO BEST ADDRESS THOSE. AND SO THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE. WE'VE BEEN AROUND 33 YEARS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH COMMUNITIES AND HAD MORE THAN 250 ADOPTED DEVELOPMENT CODES, HALLMARKS OF OUR CODES. AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE THIS HERE IS THAT WE TRY TO BE AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE. IT'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH AN EXISTING CODE. SO WE WE TRY TO FIT INTO YOUR CURRENT STRUCTURE. BUT OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THE REVISIONS AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE, AS PRECISE, SO THAT THEY'RE EASY FOR STAFF TO ADMINISTER. THEY'RE EASY FOR YOU AND FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE OTHER REVIEW BOARDS TO EVALUATE. AND THEY'RE EASY FOR LANDOWNERS WHO ARE COMING TO DO PROJECTS IN THE CITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO GET APPROVAL. SO AGAIN, THERE ARE AND THEY'RE NUMBER THREE THROUGH 13. THERE ARE 11 DIFFERENT ITEMS. FIVE OF THEM ARE RESIDENTIAL, FIVE OF THEM ARE COMMERCIAL. AND THEN THERE'S A SIXTH, THAT ONE AT THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE, TOPSOIL THAT IS SORT OF A COMBINATION OF BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, APPLIES TO ALL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO NOTE.

FIRST, BECAUSE OF THE ORGANIZATION OF YOUR CODE, EACH MANY OF THESE AMENDMENTS HAVE LOTS OF SMALL CHANGES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CODE. THAT'S JUST WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS LEGAL EFFECT. SECONDLY, THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE MAKE CHANGES THAT TO THE SAME SECTION FOR DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS. SO YOU'LL SEE SORT OF THE SAME LANGUAGE, THE SAME CHANGES. WE'VE TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT IT OUT SO THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT IS NOT ACTUALLY PART OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. WHAT'S PART OF ONE OF THE OTHER PROPOSALS. BUT IF ANY OF IT'S CONFUSING, FEEL FREE TO ASK. HAPPY TO CLEAR THAT UP FOR YOU.

SO WE'LL START WITH NUMBER THREE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION LOT VARIABILITY. SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP DURING THE MEETING WAS THAT AND PART OF THIS WAS ADDRESSED IN THAT IN THOSE GARAGE STANDARDS THAT YOU ALL JUST TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. THERE'S A LOT OF MONOTONY. YOU HAVE HOUSES WITH GARAGES NEXT TO THEM ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN EVERY BLOCK, AND THERE WAS A DESIRE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE VARIABILITY IN HOW THE SUBDIVISIONS ARE LAID OUT, HOW THE INDIVIDUAL HOUSING SITES ARE LAID OUT. SO ONE OF THE WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS WAS THIS NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION LOT VARIABILITY STANDARD. THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO SORT OF LARGER RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS AND ONLY NEW

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ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR. THANK YOU. MATT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MISS. YES. MR. YES. MR. NICKERSON? YES. MR. WOLOWITZ. YES. MR. FISHER. YES. ALL RIGHT.

[2. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1107.14 - Lots Section 1121.07 - SRD, Section 1121.20 - VRD, Section 1121.12 - HMD, Section 1121.20 - USF and Section 1121.21 UT.]

AGAIN WE HAD THIS WAS THIS CAME OUT OF A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE REQUIREMENTS THAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF LOTS IN A NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION BE REAR LOADING. WE HAD A LOT OF SORT OF BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS. WHAT WE SETTLED ON WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT ANY LOT THAT IS 60FT IN WIDTH OR LESS IS REQUIRED TO BE REAR LOADING, AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S A THAT CAN CAUSE ISSUES, IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING LOT IN AN AREA, AN EXISTING LOT THAT IS LESS THAN 60FT IN WIDTH IN AN AREA THAT IT'S NOT PRACTICAL TO LOAD IT IN THE REAR. IN THAT CASE, THAT LANDOWNER COULD APPLY FOR A

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BUT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE WE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AT THE WORKING GROUP AS WELL. LESS THAN 60FT IN WIDTH. IT NEEDS TO BE RELOADED. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO THE CODE IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THIS. SO THERE IS A CHANGE IN SECTION 11 07. 14, THE LOT SECTION. WE UPDATED ONE OF THE SECTIONS THAT HAD BEEN REPEALED TO REQUIRE THAT A LOT SHALL ONLY HAVE VEHICULAR ACCESS THROUGH A REAR YARD THAT IS ABUTTING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE VEHICULAR INFRASTRUCTURE, IF REQUIRED FOR THE BUILDING TYPOLOGY PER CHAPTER 1121. SO NOW WHEN YOU GO TO CHAPTER 1121 AND LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

TYPOLOGIES FOR SRT, VRD, USF AND UT, WE'VE UPDATED THAT TYPOLOGY TABLE TO ADD A NEW STANDARD FOR ACCESS LOCATION, WHICH STATES THAT ACCESS IS VIA THE REAR YARD. IF THE LOT WIDTH IS 60FT OR LESS. NOW THIS ALSO APPLIES IN HMD. ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH DOING THAT IS THAT HMD DOES NOT HAVE ITS OWN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED BUILDING TYPOLOGY. INSTEAD, IT REFERENCES THE VRD SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED BUILDING TYPOLOGY. BUT WE'RE NOT APPLYING THAT STANDARD TO VRD. SO WHAT WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND DONE IS ESSENTIALLY COPIED THAT VRD SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED TYPOLOGY. SO THE SAME STANDARDS THAT APPLY TODAY IN HMD FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED WOULD CONTINUE TO APPLY UNDER THESE REGULATIONS, EXCEPT WE ARE ADDING THAT ACCESS LOCATION STANDARD REQUIRING ACCESS VIA THE REAR YARD FOR LOT 60FT OR LESS IN WIDTH. YEAH, 60FT OR LESS. OR IS IT LESS THAN 60FT? 60FT OR LESS? OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE DECIDED ON. WE DECIDED TO. DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THAT SAID. YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THAT THE TEXT IS 60FT OR LESS. I MEAN, IT'S I DON'T REALLY CARE. I JUST WANT TO BE CONSISTENT. YEAH. SO LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES I MENTIONED THAT RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE LINE. THAT'S ANOTHER AMENDMENT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT IN ONE OF THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. SO WOULD WE CONSIDER A FIVE UNIT CONDO FIVE LOTS OR ONE LOT FOR REAR LOADING. THESE STANDARDS APPLY TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS. SO OUR DETACHED DWELLINGS. YEAH. COPY. THAT MAKES SENSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I BELIEVE I MEAN THERE'S LOTS OF BENEFITS TO THIS. I MEAN IN MY MIND IT'S IT'S AVOIDING THE LITTLE BIT OF SIDEWALK DRIVEWAY, A LITTLE BIT OF SIDEWALK DRIVEWAY. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NARROW LOTS, JUST MOVE THE CAR TO THE BACK TO HELP WITH WALKABILITY AND, YOU KNOW, AVOID INTERACTIONS WITH VEHICLES. YEAH. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SUSAN. COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION. THANK YOU. PAGE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. YES. MR. NICKERSON YES. MR. WOLLOWITZ. YES. MR. FISHER YES, MISS. YES.

[3. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1107.19 - Residential Architecture in SRD, VRD, HMD, UT, USF - Landscaping, Section 1125.04 - Landscape Plan Requirements, Section 1125.06(b) - Foundation Planting, Section 1125.06(c) - Landscaped Area and Tree Planting and Section 1125.08 - Installation and Maintenance.]

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IT'S THAT NEW SECTION OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT HAS THE GARAGE STANDARDS THAT YOU LOOKED AT. SO THERE ARE TWO MAIN SECTIONS OF THIS. SO THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR FOUNDATION PLANTING. SO THERE NEED TO BE SHRUBS OR OTHER PLANT MATERIALS PLACED ALONG THE FOUNDATIONS OF NEWLY CONSTRUCTED SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, BOTH ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE AND THEN FOR TEN FEET ALONG ANY OTHER FOUNDATION EXTENDING FROM THAT CORNER. SO ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU'RE THINKING OF A HOUSE THAT'S FRONTING ONTO A STREET, THERE NEEDS TO BE FOUNDATION PLANTING ALONG THE FRONT AND THEN EXTENDING TEN FEET BACK.

THE OTHER REQUIREMENT IS FOR PLANTING OF TREES. SO THAT'S SUBSECTION TWO THERE. SO THE TREES NEED TO BE AT LEAST TWO INCHES IN CALIPER AT INSTALLATION AND PLANTED ON EACH LOT. SO THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ONE TREE FOR LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN 60FT IN WIDTH. IF THE LOT IS BETWEEN 60 AND 100FT IN WIDTH, THEN THERE NEED TO BE TWO TREES PLANTED.

AND IF THE LOT IS GREATER THAN 100FT IN WIDTH, THEN THERE NEED TO BE THREE TREES PLANTED. AND THAT APPLIES IN THOSE DISTRICTS THAT YOU SEE UP TOP THERE, INCLUDING ARD, WHICH WAS PART OF THAT AMENDMENT THAT YOU DISCUSSED EARLIER THIS EVENING. SO IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THAT, WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE GENERAL LANDSCAPING PLAN REQUIREMENTS TO REFLECT THIS NEW SECTION. 11 07. 19 WITH THE FOUNDATION AND THE TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS. WE'VE ADDED LANGUAGE ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT FOR A TYPICAL FOUNDATION PLANTING PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. AND AGAIN, IT'S A TYPICAL FOUNDATION PLAN.

THE INTENTION IS NOT THAT THE PRELIMINARY PLAN INCLUDE DETAILED FOUNDATION PLANTING PLANS FOR EACH HOME, BECAUSE AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAN STAGE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, HOME PLANS FOR MOST OF THE LOTS. 1125 .06 WE'VE UPDATED THE GENERAL FOUNDATION PLANTING STANDARDS TO MAKE IT CROSS REFERENCE TO THESE REQUIREMENTS. AND SEE, WE'VE ADDED A CROSS REFERENCE TO THE TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. I MENTIONED EARLIER HOW THE REQUIREMENT FOR FOUNDATION PLANTING IS REQUIRED TO BE MAINTAINED UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS TURNED OVER TO THE EVENTUAL RESIDENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT SUBSECTION A1 B IN SECTION 1120 508 IS ADDRESSING. SO IT STATES THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY

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[4. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1107.19 - Residential Architecture in SRD, VRD, HMD, UT, USF - Building Architecture, Facades, Section 1121.07 - SRD, Section 1121.20 - VRD, Section 1121.12 - HMD, Section 1121.20 - USF and Section 1121.21 UT and Appendix - Glossary of Terms]

SECTION 1121.20 VRD. SECTION 1121.12 HMD. SECTION 1121.20 USF AND SECTION ONE, ONE TWO, 1.21 UBT AND APPENDIX. GLOSSARY OF TERMS. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS ITEM NUMBER SIX. SO AGAIN THIS IS OF A PIECE WITH THE OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AROUND FOUNDATION PLANTING AND LANDSCAPING. AGAIN TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS EXPRESSED BY THE WORKING GROUP IS THAT THERE WILL OFTEN BE NEW HOMES BUILT. THEY MAY HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL DISTINCTION OR FEATURES ALONG THE FRONT FACING THE STREET, BUT ALONG THE OTHER SIDES AS WELL AS THE REAR. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WINDOWS. IT'S A IT'S A, IN MANY CASES, JUST A PLAIN BLANK WALL. AND SO THE GOAL OF THESE STANDARDS IS TO REQUIRE SOME LEVEL OF ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS ON EACH OF THE FRONTAGES OF THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, GENERALLY FOR YOU CAN IMAGINE THERE ARE CASES WHERE THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN FOUR, BUT GENERALLY EACH OF THE FOUR FRONTAGES. SO WE'LL GET INTO THE THE STANDARDS HERE. SOME OF THESE ARE DRAWN FROM WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. DUBLIN HAS ANOTHER STANDARD. I JUST DO WANT TO STATE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IT REALLY PUTS A LOT MORE ON STAFF BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO REVIEW, YOU KNOW, EACH SINGLE FAMILY PLAN AS IT COMES IN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THESE STANDARDS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SORT OF CAPACITY IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THESE IN A TIMELY FASHION. SO WITH THAT, WHAT IN TERMS ARE FOR. SO BACK TO 1107 19. WE'RE UP TO SUBSECTION D.

THIS ESTABLISHES IN THESE DISTRICTS THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING ON THE LOT. SO A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING IS REQUIRED TO HAVE THREE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON THE FACADE THAT IS FACING THE FRONT YARD, TWO ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON A FACADE FACING A SIDE YARD, AND AT LEAST ONE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON ALL OTHER FACADES. NOW, GENERALLY THAT'S THE REAR FACADE, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IN CASE IT WASN'T A RECTANGULAR HOUSE THAT WE HAD THAT COVERED. SO AGAIN, YOU NEED TO TO INCLUDE ALL OF THESE BEFORE ZONING PERMITS GOING TO BE ISSUED SO THAT YOU CAN BEGIN CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME. SO SUBSECTION A LISTS THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT CAN BE USED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. SO YOU CAN SEE THE LIST HERE A DOOR AT LEAST 28FT■!S IN AREA A WINDOW T LEAST SIX SQUARE FEET IN AREA.

THERE'S SOME STANDARDS IN THERE ABOUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WINDOWS. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE TWO WINDOWS, COUNT AS TWO DISTINCT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, AND IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT A WINDOW ON A FACADE THAT'S VISIBLE FROM A STREET NEEDS TO INCLUDE A DECORATIVE WINDOW.

TREATMENT. DECORATIVE SHUTTERS ON THE MAJORITY OF WINDOWS ON A FACADE CAN COUNT AS AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. A CHIMNEY, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FUNCTIONAL. MASONRY USED ON 20% OF A SINGLE FACADE, A GABLE VENT, A DORMER, CORBELS, A DECK, BALCONY, PORTICO, OR PORCH.

ALTHOUGH. YOU KNOW, IF IT DOESN'T WRAP AROUND THEN IT ONLY COUNTS ON ONE FACADE. A

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DO YOU WANT YOUR DEFINITION. WE WE WE I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT. YEAH, THERE IS THOSE DEFINITIONS THAT WERE PREPARED. SO THEN WE WANT TO HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON YOU OR THESE ARE CLEAR OKAY. JUST AMENDMENTS TO THESE DEFINITIONS OR QUESTIONS ON THEM. SO FOR YEAH. SO YOU WANT ME TO UNPLUG. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. STAY PLUGGED IN. WE CAN JUST SWITCH THE SCREEN HERE TO THE TO THE DESK HERE. SO ON BALCONY. AND THIS SOME OF THESE IS BECAUSE THESE WORDS ARE USED ELSEWHERE IN OUR ZONING CODE. SO FOR LIKE 1133 TEN FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WE HAVE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. WE HAVE CHIMNEY AND AND SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES LISTED. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE DEFINITIONS DON'T JUST APPLY TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. BUT WE'LL APPLY FOR OTHERS. SO FOR BALCONY JUST AT THE WORD IT SAYS THE UPPER FLOOR OF A BUILDING, WE THOUGHT CHANGING THE WORD THE FOR AN UPPER FLOOR IN CASE WE HAVE A THREE STORY OR FOUR STORY BUILDING. SO THAT WAS ONE FOR THE CHIMNEY. THE WORD FACADE. I THINK OUR INTENTION WAS THAT THE CHIMNEY WOULD GO VERTICAL. I KNOW THERE'S SOME THAT LIKE WOOD BURNING STOVES OR SOME OTHER ONES THAT COME OUT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT THAT WE WOULD WANT AS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE WE'D RATHER HAVE. A CHIMNEY COMING OUT. BUT WE ALSO HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON SOME EXTERIOR CHIMNEYS THAT YOU SEE THE WHOLE BRICK ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. SO THAT IS ON THAT PROJECTING

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YES, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO DOES THAT CARRY OFF SMOKE BECAUSE THERE AREN'T THOSE SMOKELESS. NO. SO I MEAN, BUT MOST CHIMNEYS DON'T HONESTLY. YEAH. WELL YEAH. SO WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS JUST THE, THE INSERT BUMP OUT WITH THE. AND USUALLY THOUGH THAT WOULD BE MAYBE THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE HOUSE. SO MAYBE THERE'S ALSO A DESCRIPTION IN THIS DEFINITION THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL. THE CHIMNEY NEEDS FLUSHED OUT A LITTLE MORE IN TURN. CAN WE ADD SOMETHING AT THE BOTTOM AFTER ALL THESE DEFINITIONS AND SAY SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY I MEAN DESIGN, DESIGN REVIEW OR WHATEVER, WHOEVER'S REVIEWING THE APPLICATION. SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T GET PAST US. SO IT'S A IT'S PROPOSED TO BE A STAFF DETERMINATION OKAY. AND THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN COME BACK TO. RIGHT OKAY. SO I MEAN SO THEN WE WOULD JUST ADD I MEAN THAT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE MORE WORK. BUT SO I DON'T KNOW IF. YEAH, I MEAN FROM A FROM A STAFF REVIEW PERSPECTIVE, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THESE THINGS FLUSHED OUT TOO, SO THAT WE KNOW MOVING FORWARD THAT WE WANT CERTAIN THINGS EXCLUDED.

OR IF IT IS A CHIMNEY, MAYBE THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A MATERIAL CHANGE TO DEFINE THAT CHIMNEY. WHY DON'T YOU DEFINE IF IT'S A SMOKELESS TRUE CHIMNEY EXTENDS BEYOND THE ROOF LINE? YEAH. SO IF YOU COULD WORK IT IN SOMEHOW WHERE IT EXTENDS BEYOND. THE ROOF LINE.

YEAH. OKAY. ARE WE ALSO DOING THAT? DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT A MATERIAL? I DO SEE SOME CHIMNEYS THAT ARE SITED ALL THE WAY UP AND YEAH I'VE SEEN THOSE. NO. YEAH. THOSE AREN'T ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S ALSO WELL SOMETIMES FLUSH SOMETIMES ISN'T. YEAH. GET ON CHIMNEYS OKAY. SO FOR THE CORBEL BECAUSE IT MENTIONED STONE WOOD OR METAL I KNOW IN DRB WE'VE DISCUSSED FIBERGLASS. SO MY CONCERN IS IF WE LIST THE MATERIALS THEN THAT LIMITS LIKE THE FIBERGLASS OR DIFFERENT OPTIONS. IF THERE'S NEW, ARE THERE ANY MATERIALS YOU WOULDN'T WANT PIPE ON. WELL THEN WHY DON'T WE SAY TO EXCLUDE. YEAH, THAT WAS A CHAD. WELL, THEY'RE WILLING TO GO WITH CAST STONE. AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING PIPE AS AN OPTION. AS AN OPTION? RIGHT. I THINK WE DO NEED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE PIPE. BOMB MATERIAL. FIBERGLASS MATERIAL. IF WE'RE DOING IT. SO THIS WOULD BE THE. THIS WOULD BE ON SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. YEAH. NOT IF WE'RE PUTTING THIS ON THE APPENDIX. IT GOES FOREVER. IT'S A GLOSSARY. NOT IF WE PUT IT. IT SHOULD HAVE THE TITLE THAT IT'S REFERENCING THIS SECTION. BUT ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO BE TAKING SOME OF THESE DEFINITIONS FOR ALL THE OTHER ITEMS. I MEAN WE COULD YEAH, I MEAN IT'S PROBABLY USED IN OTHER THAT IT'S USED IN THE UPTOWN THAT THERE'S, THERE'S CORBELS WITHIN THE UPTOWN. SO THOSE ARE ELEMENTS WE'VE SEEN ON APPLICATIONS. THERE IS A PLACE FOR FIVE SINGLE CORBELS. WELL I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ARE WE OKAY TO REMOVE THOSE MATERIALS, BUT ARE THERE MATERIALS THAT WE WANT TO EXCLUDE. NOT. YEAH. NO BECAUSE IT'S OUR DISCRETION ANYWAY. YEAH I WOULD, I WOULD JUST OPEN

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OH, YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER. THIS WOULD GO IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE DECK. YOU'RE GOING TO REAR. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A BACK PORCH, PATIO, A PATIO. WELL, A BACK DECK. YES, A BACK PORCH. SURE. ARE YOU THINKING LIKE SOME SORT OF LIKE OVERHEAD? MORE OF AN OPEN AIR? YEAH. STRUCTURE OR ANOTHER. SOMETHING I PUT ON. I PUT A ROOF ON. OKAY.

YEAH. SO UNCOVERED. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE. I'M HAVING A PROBLEM. MEANING? ARE YOU TALKING. IF THEY HAD A DECORATIVE TRELLIS ON A DECK THAT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY A SOLID, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF PROVIDE SHADE OR SOMETHING. I THINK WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT.

I THINK THAT WOULD. YEAH. YEAH. MIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER YOUR DECK OR BACK PORCH? IT WOULD BE DECK BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ARGUING. I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT BEING AS UNCOVERED. NO, I DO NOT. OH, OKAY, I DO NOT. ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE GOOD. BECAUSE IF IT DID HAVE A ROOF, A PERMANENT ROOF, I WOULD. IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.

BACK PORCH. RIGHT. OR MORE SO ENCLOSED PROBABLY. YEAH, MAYBE. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH IT. SO JUST CHANGE IT TO FIRST FLOOR MOTION TO APPROVE. WAS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WHILE WE HAVE THE GROUND LEVEL STRUCTURE. THERE. YEAH. BECAUSE PORTABLE. YEAH YEAH YEAH. BUT MOST OF THE TIME YEAH I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE MY GROUND LEVEL IS A WALKOUT BASEMENT. WHAT ABOUT GROUND LEVEL AND FIRST FLOOR. WOULD YOU DO BOTH. YEAH YOU COULD, BUT WOULDN'T THAT BE A DECK A STRUCTURAL PLATFORM THAT IS COVERED WHEN IT WAS REMOVED? SURE. ISN'T THAT ISN'T A SECOND PORCH ABOUT ME. YES. YES. YEAH. SUNNY SKIES. LAST SOCCER GAME TONIGHT. YEAH. HE'S TIRED OF THIS CRAP. OKAY, SO WE'RE REMOVING GROUND LEVEL FROM PORCH PORTICO, AND WE'RE JUST USING STRUCTURAL PLATFORM, RIGHT? ARE YOU OR WE? BUT YOU ADDED GROUND LEVEL FIRST FLOOR. WE COULD DO FIRST FLOOR AND THEN WE'LL JUST CLASSIFY THE SECOND FLOOR. THE BALCONY. SURE. OKAY. THAT PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY IF IT IS A, YOU KNOW, A SPLIT FOUR YOU CAN SAY IT'S A JUST DEPENDING WHERE IT IS BASED ON THE SLOPE OF THE LAND. OKAY.

AND THEN ON THE PORTICOS, THE RED ONE IS KIND OF REWORDING OF THE OTHER DEFINITION. WE WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING THE PORTICOS, THERE'S SOME THAT ARE SHOWING THAT THEY'RE KIND OF ON A PATIO, NOT NECESSARILY ON A PORCH. SO I KNOW THAT LANGUAGE SAYS THE GROUND LEVEL PORCH. SO I WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT MORE OPEN TO TO NOT JUST BEING ON A PORCH. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. IT LOOKS GOOD, JEFF. OKAY, THAT TAKES US THROUGH YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN WATER AND THEN WATER

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[5. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1107.19 - Residential Architecture in SRD, VRD, HMD, UT, USF - Building Architecture, Roof Pitch, Section 1121.07 - SRD, Section 1121.09 ARD, Section 1121.12 - HMD, Section 1121.20 - USF and Section 1121.21 UT.]

SO AGAIN, THAT THAT ROOF PITCH STANDARD, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MEAT OF IT, THE MEAT OF THE CHANGE. YEAH. I MEAN DURING DISCUSSION WE, WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN A VARIETY OF ROOF PITCHES. WE JUST FIGURED IT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY HARD TO ENFORCE. YOU KNOW, JUST CAUSE LOGISTICAL ISSUES. SO WE FIGURED THE VERY LEAST WE WANTED TO HAVE SET UP A MINIMUM.

SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO. OKAY. SUSAN. COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. CATHY YOUNG 425 WEST EIGHTH. SO LIKE THE ADU THAT I DID, I BELIEVE THAT WAS A 412 BECAUSE I HAD TO MATCH THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE AND I COULDN'T GO HIGHER. SO I THINK THIS WOULD CAUSE ME TO GO TO BCA, WOULD IT NOT? NOT FOR AN ADU. THIS THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING. SO NOT ADU. SO IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OF 20 HOUSES OR MORE. SO SO I COME BACK TO THIS IS A THIS IS OH I THOUGHT ALL THIS WAS FOR YOU WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS, AS A SEPARATE CATEGORY, I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IS A SINGLE. YEAH. BUT IT HAS SEPARATE DESIGN FOR THAT. SO. SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER. THAT WAS THE 20 ACRE QUESTION. THERE'S NOT THE

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THAT WAS SOMETHING. SO YEAH. ON HIS FIRST SLIDE HERE WITH THE SUMMARIES, IF IT'S ADDRESSING A 20 ACRE OR LARGER 20 UNITS OR MORE ACRES. YEAH. OKAY. 20 ACRES OR MORE THAT THAT HAS BEEN OUTLINED, WHICH WOULD BE LET'S SEE HERE, THE RESIDENTIAL LOT VARIABILITY. WHICH IS THE SIDE OR REAR LOADING 20%. I THINK THAT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IT. YEAH. OKAY. WE THOUGHT OF DOING THAT FOR THE ROOF PITCH. BUT AGAIN THAT SINCE WE HAVE JUST A MINIMUM OKAY. SO ALSO. BACK TO KATHY'S QUESTION ON THE USE. IT SAYS THAT THERE WAS A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT IN THERE THAT. THE USAGE OF THE PROPOSED ADU SHOULD BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE. SO I THINK IF IT'S A 412 PITCH ON THE EXISTING HOUSE, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD CALL FOR THAT. YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE? I DO WANT TO ADD THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WAS INCLUDED IN THE INITIAL STAFF REPORT. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE DISTRICTS THAT THIS WOULD GET REVIEWED IN, AS WELL AS THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT WE JUST PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED. OR IS THE BOARD COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? OKAY. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. SURE. MOTION FROM MR. FISHER TO ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. WOLLOWITZ. YES. MR. FISHER? YES. MISS LOBB. YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES. ALL

[6. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1109.12 - Reserved - Topsoil.]

IT'D BE HARD FOR THEM TO PLANT ANY SORT OF VEGETATION ON THEIR OWN. SO WE'VE PROPOSED THESE NEW REQUIREMENTS AROUND TOPSOIL. AND I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA, IT'S BEEN AMENDED A BIT. THIS WAS A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AS WELL AS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO SORT OF TO TO MAKE THEM AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE. THESE ARE THESE ARE NOT THE TYPE OF STANDARDS THAT ARE OFTEN INCLUDED IN DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THEY ARE IN SOME IN SOME CASES, BUT TYPICALLY THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE MORE ENGINEERING STANDARDS. SO I THINK ONE OF THE CHANGE THAT'S BEEN MADE THAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE REVISED TEXT, IT TO SORT OF STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE DETAIL TO ESTABLISH THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE REGULATIONS, BUT THEN PROVIDE STAFF WITH THE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS AND IDENTIFY SORT OF THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR IMPLEMENTING THESE STANDARDS. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU THE LANGUAGE THAT'S ON THE SLIDE RIGHT NOW IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PART OF YOUR PACKET. AND THEN THIS LANGUAGE HERE IS THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR YOUR APPROVAL. SO TOPSOIL SHALL BE INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING. PRIOR TO PLACING ANY TOPSOIL, ALL FOREIGN MATERIAL AND ANY ROCKS ONE INCH OR LARGER IN ANY DIMENSION SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE AREA.

TOPSOIL SHALL BE PLACED IN LOOSE LIFTS THAT CONSTRUCT A FOUR INCH COMPACTED DEPTH.

FURNISHED TOPSOIL SHALL BE FREE OF GRASS, GRASS, BRUSH, AND ROOTS. AFTER TOPSOIL IS PLACED, THE AREA SHALL BE FINISHED IN A MANNER SUCH THAT INSTALLING SOD, SEED OR OTHER LANDSCAPING MATERIAL DOES NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SOIL PREPARATION. OKAY, CAN I ADD SOMETHING OR ASK TO ADD? I KNOW IT'S JUST ABOUT TOPSOIL, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FINISH OF THINGS, MAKING SURE LIKE IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF LIKE SLOPE OF DRAINAGE? THE REASON

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YEAH. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE HOUSES, SMALLER LOTS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TOGETHER. THAT SLOPE GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEN YOU GET THOSE ISSUES WITH THAT WATER. IF IT'S OKAY, WE CAN I THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH ENGINEERING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE COULD DO RELATED TO THAT, MAYBE ADDING IT TO OUR SUBDIVISION CODE OR INSPECTION CODE MAYBE, OR SOMETHING. WELL, I KNOW THAT ENGINEER. LIKE IF YOU I KNOW JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT ENGINEERING DOES COME OUT. THEY CLOSE OUT LOTS INDIVIDUALLY AND THEY GO OUT AND LOOK, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT. IT AT LEAST GETS ONE LAST LOOK AT LIKE EYES ON THE PROPERTY. BUT IF YOU'RE BUT IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, FROM A, YOU KNOW, WET SEASON WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, DRY SUMMER AND YOU DON'T SEE WHERE THE WATER IS, HOW WE HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HOMEOWNER SEEING SEEING WITHOUT.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE TOPSOIL SECTION. SUSAN. COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. MOTION.

MOTION. THANK YOU. CHAD. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. FISHER. YES, MISS LOBB. YES. MR. NICKERSON?

[7. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1123.07 - Trash Enclosures, Section 1133.09(c) Trash Enclosures, Section 1133.10(c) Trash Enclosures, Section 1133.11(e) Trash Enclosures.]

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DO WE HAVE SOMETHING. IS THERE IN THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE DOORS BEING OF SIMILAR TYPE TO, I GUESS THE. YEAH. I MEAN THEY AREN'T ALWAYS ANYWAYS. OKAY. YEAH I MEAN EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH CLOSURES ARE REVIEWED BY DRB SO OKAY SO AND SOMETIMES IF YOU HAVE A TRASH ENCLOSURE RIGHT. LIKE A WOOD OR MAYBE A LITTLE MORE. OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GOING WITH LIKE A I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S A TRASH ENCLOSURE AND IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TRASH. I KNOW IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THE PRETTIEST THING, BUT IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GOING WITH A COMMUNITY FEEL IN A CERTAIN TYPE OF AREA, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THAT TO, YOU KNOW, BE SIMILAR IN TYPE. SO THE ONE THING THAT WE DO ASK IS THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE OKAY OF THAT SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. SO IF THEY HAVE A BRICK BUILDING WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO HAVE A SURROUND OKAY. THEY CAN DO AVOID OR METAL OR OR OR WHATEVER WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. OKAY. YEAH I'M GOOD. OH IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CROSSED ON FIVE THOUGH. THE BUILDING MATERIAL USED FOR CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDING MATERIALS USED FOR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING NUMBER THREE.

SO NUMBER THREE. OKAY, COOL. JUST TRYING TO COMBINE. WE HAD DIFFERENT SECTIONS OKAY. YEAH.

CLEAN IT UP AND YEAH IT MAKES SENSE OKAY I BELIEVE NO CITIZEN COMMENTS. RIGHT. OKAY. MOTION

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[8. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1125.06 - Minimum Landscape Standards, Section 1125.06(b) - Foundation Planting Standards, Section 1125.06(d) - Landscape Requirements for Vehicular Use Areas.]

YOU KNOW THE FOUNDATION PLANTING THAT'S REQUIRED CURRENTLY REQUIRED AROUND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH SPACE IN THESE LANDSCAPE BEDS THAT WERE PROVIDING THE FOUNDATION LANDSCAPING TO BE VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LANDSCAPING TO THRIVE OVER TIME. THE SECOND MAIN PART WAS TO ADDRESS SCREENING OF PARKING LOTS. AND SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO ENHANCE THE CURRENT STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS MORE EFFECTIVE SCREENING AROUND THESE VEHICULAR USE AREAS. FINALLY, THERE WAS JUST DISCUSSION ABOUT. YOU KNOW, DEMONSTRATING THAT PROPER TYPE OF MULCH IS USED. SO ONE OF THE CHANGES, AGAIN, IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THE SITE PLAN NEEDS TO SHOW THE TYPE OF MULCH THAT WILL BE USED ON THE SITE. GETTING INTO SOME OF THE MORE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. SO AGAIN, 1125 .06 WE'VE MADE AN UPDATE THERE. YOU CAN SEE TO THE FOUNDATION PLANTING STANDARDS.

SO WE'VE STATED THAT THE FOUNDATION PLANTING NEEDS TO BE IN BEDS WITH TOPSOIL AT LEAST FIVE FEET IN WIDTH. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE FEET OF TOPSOIL IN THESE BEDS. YOU KNOW, THERE CAN BE BRICK OR ROCKS OR WHATEVER AROUND IT, BUT THE TOPSOIL NEEDS TO BE FIVE FEET IN WIDTH. WE'VE ALSO MADE CLEAR THAT THERE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN WHERE THESE LANDSCAPE BEDS ARE PLACED. THERE'S A MINIMUM 40% FOUNDATION PLANTING REQUIREMENT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES, IF THERE'S A DESIRE FOR OUTDOOR DINING OR OTHER ACTIVITIES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING, THERE MAY BE A DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, PUSH SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING OUT FURTHER TOWARDS THE VEHICULAR USE AREA OR TO THE STREET. SO THIS PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE EXPLICIT FLEXIBILITY FOR DEVELOPERS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE SORTS OF CHANGES IN THEIR DEVELOPMENTS. THE OTHER CHANGE, SECTION D1B THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'VE MADE A FEW CHANGES TO THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. SO FIRST THERE NEED TO BE NEED TO USE EVERGREEN PLANTINGS AS SCREENING MATERIAL. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THIS YEAR ROUND SCREENING SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE LESS EFFECTIVE SCREENING DURING THE WINTER MONTHS.

THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PLANTINGS BE TWO FEET IN HEIGHT AT INSTALLATION, AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A GOAL THAT THEY THE PLANTINGS BE AT LEAST THREE FEET IN HEIGHT. WE'VE ADDED THE AT INSTALLATION SIZE REQUIREMENT AND THEN THE THREE FEET IN HEIGHT AT THE END OF TWO YEARS TO INCREASE THE CHANCES THAT THE VEHICULAR AREA LANDSCAPING ACTUALLY WILL GROW TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS. FINALLY, WE'VE UPPED THE REQUIRED SCREENING FROM 80% OPACITY TO 100%. SO AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO BE FULLY SCREENED. AND WE ADDED A CLARIFICATION THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE PLANTINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED HERE NEED TO BE MEASURED FROM THE FINISHED GRADE OF THE PROPERTY. SO AGAIN, LOTS OF LITTLE, LOTS OF LITTLE CHANGES HERE. WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT. SO AGAIN THESE APPLY SCREENING ALONG THE PUBLIC STREET. WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REQUIRING SCREENING ALL AROUND PARKING LOTS. BUT THERE WAS WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHERE MAYBE YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO PROVIDE BETTER CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES AND NOT SCREEN THEM AS MUCH. SO THIS IS A CURRENT STANDARD THAT APPLIES ALONG STREETS. AND THIS THESE REVISIONS ALSO APPLY ALONG STREETS. QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. I HAVE I HAVE AN ITEM, MAYBE JUST AS AS JEFF WAS EXPLAINING THAT HEIGHT OF PLANTINGS REQUIRED IN THIS PARAGRAPH SHALL BE MEASURED FROM FINISHED GRADE. MAYBE WE COULD ADD FINISH GRADE OF PLANT BED SO THAT THEY KNOW WE'RE NOT MEASURING FROM THE LAWN OR SOMETHING. THE PARKING

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RIGHT. IT SHOULD BE ABOVE. IT SHOULD BE. YEAH. SPECIFY THAT ANYWHERE. YEAH. THAT THAT WE WOULD REVIEW I MEAN THEY WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THERE WOULD BE A CURB TYPICALLY. IF NOT IF THERE'S NOT A CURB THEN YEAH THAT PLANT BED WOULD BE IN LINE WITH, WITH THE PARKING LOT. BUT I THINK WE CAN STILL CLARIFY THAT WE MEASURE THAT SHRUB FROM THE HEIGHT OF THE MULCH BED OR THE OR THE PARKING LOT TO THE PARKING LOT. YEAH, I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO DO IT. WE WOULD GET A TALLER SHRUB IF WE MEASURE FROM THE MULCH GRADE. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE IF YOU'RE DOING A CONSTRUCTION DETAIL, YOU'RE GOING TO DRAW THAT OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO MEASURE THAT FROM FROM THE ELEVATION OF THE MULCH. SO WOULD IT BE UP TO DRB THEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOCATION OF THAT LANDSCAPE BED WOULD IN FACT BLOCK ANY HEADLIGHTS FROM THOSE PARKING LOTS? YEAH, WE REVIEW THAT DURING A DRB APPLICATION. MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE PLANTINGS ARE IN THERE AND THAT VEHICULAR USE SCREENING IS THERE. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YEAH, I THINK GOING FROM THE BED HEIGHT, NOT HEIGHT WOULD MAKE SENSE. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION WITH THAT CHANGE IN THE TEXT MOTION.

THANK YOU MISS LOBB. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MISS LOBB. YES, MR. NICKERSON, I'M SORRY. YEAH. YES.

MR. WOLLOWITZ. YES, MR. FISHER? YES. ALL RIGHT. THANKS TO ITEM NINE, A NEW BUSINESS TO YOUR

[9. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1133.10(a)(3) - Architectural and Design Features.]

SO THE REVISION AGAIN IS IN SECTION 1130 3.10. WE MADE A SMALL CLARIFICATION. THERE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSION IN THE TEXT ABOUT MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS VERSUS SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS.

SO WE'VE CLEANED THAT UP. BUT WE'VE THE KEY CHANGE IS THAT 3.1 DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM, MULTI ENTRANCE MULTI-TENANT ENTRANCE FEATURES. BUILDINGS SERVING MORE THAN ONE TENANT ARE RECOMMENDED TO DELINEATE INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCES WITH AWNINGS, COLUMNS, CANOPIES OR PORTICOS, ARCHES OR SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. THESE ELEMENTS SHALL NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN FEATURES REQUIRED IN SECTION 1130 3.10 A THREE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT ABOVE YOU. SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A YOU KNOW, THE THE DRB HAS, YOU KNOW, A GOOD DEAL OF AUTHORITY IN REVIEWING PROJECTS TO ENSURE THE ARCHITECTURAL MERIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO REALLY CLARIFY THAT THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE DRB SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS THEY OKAY, QUER COMMENTS ON THIS. I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. WELL, I WAS GOING TO ASK IF HE HAD ANY COMMENTS BECAUSE AND CITIZEN

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YES, MISS LAUB. YES. RIGHT. WHICH IS A LITTLE OFF TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER TEN

[10. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1133.10(a)(5)(a) - Materials and Section 1133.10(a)(6) - Glass.]

YEAH. OH IT DOES. WE'RE MISSING HALF THE PEOPLE. IS THAT TRUE? VERY SHORT. THERE YOU GO. YEAH.

OKAY. SO AGAIN, SOME SOME MODEST CHANGES HERE. THIS REALLY IS A CLARIFICATION OF THE CURRENT CODE. SO LIKE MANY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS MARYSVILLE HAS TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME TYPES OF BUILDINGS. SO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, THE PURPOSE GENERALLY OF THESE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS IS TO IMPROVE SORT OF THE THE THE VISIBILITY INTO THE BUILDING AND IMPROVE VISIBILITY FROM THE BUILDING TO THE OUTSIDE. THAT HELPS IMPROVE SAFETY, THAT HELPS IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE PUBLIC REALM. AND LIKE MANY CODES, THERE'S A PROHIBITION ON USING SPANDREL GLASS. SO GLASS THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENT TO MEET THIS TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT. THE WAY THE REGULATIONS WERE WRITTEN APPEARED TO PROHIBIT IT ALTOGETHER. AND THAT'S A LITTLE LESS COMMON. MOST CODES WILL ALLOW IT AS SOME SORT OF AN EXIT MATERIAL AS, AGAIN, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT BEING USED TO MEET THESE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND MADE THESE CHANGES TO SECTION 1130 3.10 TO MAKE CLEAR THAT SPANDREL GLASS IS NOT A PERMITTED PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIAL, AND IT'S NOT PERMITTED TO MEET THAT 40% TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT, BUT YOU CAN USE IT IN OTHER INSTANCES. SO AGAIN, VERY MODEST CHANGE TO THE CURRENT CODE. HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PRIDE IN THIS ONE. THIS IS THE ONE I ASKED FOR JUST BECAUSE DRB WE ALWAYS GO THROUGH THIS.

YEAH LIKE PEOPLE ASK WHY CAN'T WE USE IT? I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, MOTION TO APPROVE. AND YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SOMETIMES SEE IT AS BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN FLOORS AS A AS AN ACCENT MATERIAL. YEAH, YEAH. SIR. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE CITY? I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE.

OKAY. CITIZEN COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS LAUB. ROLL CALL PLEASE. I'M GOING TO PAY ATTENTION. I'M SORRY. WE DO HAVE ONE THING THAT OUR LAW DIRECTOR WANTED US TO. SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY HAD, UNDER LETTER B, PERMITTED SECONDARY BUILDING MATERIALS SHALL BE DETERMINED BY DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. WE'D LIKE TO SAY DETERMINED AND APPROVED BY DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. SO WE ACTUALLY WILL KEEP DETERMINED AND WE WILL HAVE APPROVED IN THERE AS WELL. DETERMINED AND APPROVED. DOES THAT CHANGE THE MEANING? I THINK IT'S OKAY IN HIS EYES. YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGE WITH THE CHANGE OF THANK YOU APPROVED AND ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. NICKERSON. YES, MR. WOLLOWITZ. YES, MR. FISHER. YES, YES. OKAY. LAST ITEM ON NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT TO HEAR ZONING

[11. To hear a Zoning Code Amendment to Part Eleven – Zoning Code, Section 1133.10(d) - Parking Lot Design.]

SO THIS IS AGENDA ITEM 11 ATTACHMENT LUCKY 13. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING.

AND WE WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. IN THE END YOU KNOW HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS PRIMARILY OLDER DEVELOPMENTS THAT PROVIDE MUCH TOO MUCH PARKING. AND THERE WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE EASIER FOR DEVELOPMENTS TO PRODUCE LESS PARKING. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT ONE THING THAT WE DID IDENTIFY WAS THE CURRENT CODE HAS A SORT OF SOFT CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF PARKING YOU CAN PROVIDE ON THE SITE, SO THERE'S A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S REQUIRED, AND YOU CAN PROVIDE UP TO 25% MORE SORT OF BY. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU GO ABOVE 25%, YOU'RE

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MISS LUND, ROLL CALL PLEASE. WHO MOTIONED MISS LOBB. THANK YOU, MR. WOLLOWITZ. YES, MR. FISHER? YES, MISS LAW? YES. MR. NIXON? YES. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ALL THOSE THROUGH NEW BUSINESS. WE NOW ARE AT DISCUSSION ITEMS. YOU CAN SIT DOWN IF YOU LIKE, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SLIDES. NO, NO, I IF YOU ALL HAD ANYTHING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE AGENDA ITEMS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR THIS EVENING I THINK SO WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GOING THROUGH ALL THIS. I KNOW IT'S A LOT AND WE WILL. CITY COUNCIL. WE ANTICIPATE THE SECOND MEETING. SO THE 2027 IS WHERE THERE'LL BE THE FIRST READING PHASE. IT'S KIND OF NICE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA. SO THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD

[COMMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS]

SO. WELL, YOU STILL HAVE TWO MORE MONTHS, SO. RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, SO I'M, I MIGHT BE I'M MY PLAN WAS I, I'M TRAVELING FOR WORK FOR IN NOVEMBER. BUT IF WE'RE STILL IN A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN I WILL BE HERE. SO. WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT I WILL BE HERE IN DECEMBER. OKAY. SO YEAH, WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. AND IT WAS GOOD GETTING TO KNOW YOU.

YEAH. I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, EARLY VOTING IS NOW OPEN. SO DON'T FORGET TO GO VOTE. THANK YOU JEFF. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SO DO WE HAVE A MO

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.