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          THE NOVEMBER 10TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WE'RE STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND STAY STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION. THE INVOCATION WILL JUST TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR VETERANS DAY. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. JUST LIKE MANY OF YOU, WE ALL HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY SERVING. SO LET'S TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND GIVE THANKS FOR THEIR SERVICE AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE ALL HERE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL ZACH BODNER HERE, STEVEN WOLF HERE. HANK BURBY. DONNA BERGER, SCOTT HUNTER HERE. MARK REAMS, JULIE KRAMER HERE. IS 
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THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE 2026 BUDGET? PUBLIC HEARING MEETING MINUTES. MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          IS THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE OCTOBER 27TH, 2025 SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE OCTOBER 27TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE OCTOBER 27TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. 
          [ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT]
ADMINISTRATION REPORT. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, SEVERAL ITEMS TONIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW WE'RE ENTERING INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON, SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ACTIVITIES COMING UP. THE FIRST I'LL MENTION IS THE CHRISTMAS WALK IN TREE LIGHTING, MAIN STREET, MARYSVILLE, ALONG WITH THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, WILL BE PRESENTING THE 2025 CHRISTMAS WALK AND TREE LIGHTING ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 22ND FROM 4 TO 8 P.M. YOU CAN EXPERIENCE MUSICAL PERFORMANCES, DANCE COSTUME CHARACTERS, HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE RIDES, A SCAVENGER HUNT, ORNAMENT MAKING, AND EVEN SANTA HIMSELF IN AT SANTA'S VILLAGE. OF COURSE, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, SO THAT THAT IT'S NO LONGER ON THE MONDAY. IT'S ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 22ND FROM 4 TO 8 P.M. SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT IN LINE SOON THEREAFTER IS OUR 15TH ANNUAL HONDA FEDERAL CREDIT UNION PUMPKIN DASH FIVE K, WHICH TAKES PLACE ON THANKSGIVING DAY MORNING, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 27TH AT 905. 
          THIS FIVE K WALK IS OPEN TO ALL RUNNERS AND WALKERS OF ALL SKILL LEVELS, AND THE REGISTRATION DEADLINE IS NOVEMBER 24TH. AND I ANTICIPATE MAYBE MARK BEING IN THAT THIS YEAR, MAYBE EVEN SCOTT HUNTER I'M NOT SURE. BUT WE'LL WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE. SOMETHING ELSE. 
          SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY IS COMING UP. JOIN US ON NOVEMBER 29TH FOR A PASSPORT EVENT TO SHOP, STAMP AND SUPPORT YOUR FAVORITE LOCAL SPOTS FOR A CHANCE TO WIN FUN PRIZES AND RAFFLE BASKETS. EVERY PURCHASE MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY IS ALL ABOUT VISITING OUR BUSINESSES IN AND AROUND OUR COMMUNITY, SO USE THAT DAY, NOVEMBER 29TH TO SEE EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO OFFER, NOT ONLY IN OUR UPTOWN, BUT THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEN ANOTHER THE ANNUAL MARYSVILLE ELKS CHRISTMAS PARADE IS SUNDAY, DECEMBER 7TH AT 2 P.M. IN UPTOWN MARYSVILLE. SO WE'LL BE GIVING MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AS IT GETS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. BUT MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR SUNDAY, DECEMBER 7TH AT 2 P.M. 
          AND THEN LAST, JUST A REMINDER, CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED ON THURSDAY, THANKSGIVING DAY, AND FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH IN OBSERVANCE OF THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY. SO I WANTED TO GIVE THAT HERE TOMORROW. OH YES. AND TOMORROW, THANK YOU. TOMORROW, MAYBE IN VETERAN'S DAY. WE WILL 
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BE CLOSED TOMORROW AS WELL. OKAY. I'LL SHIFT DOWN TO JEREMY FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS ACTIVITIES. YEAH. THANKS, TERRY. CITY STREET CREWS CONTINUE TO SCREEN STONE AT OUR MOSQUE FACILITY. THEY ARE ALSO ASSISTING WITH SOME EARTHWORK ACTIVITIES AT THE FORMER WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND HELPING WITH CITYWIDE LEAF PICKUP PARKS. CREWS ARE ADDRESSING LEAVES WITHIN THE PARKS AND ALONG THE TRAIL SYSTEM, PREPARING FOR THE CHRISTMAS WALK THAT YOU ALLUDED TO EARLIER, TERRY, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF THE DECORATIONS WITHIN THE UPTOWN AND ALSO PLANNING FOR THE UPCOMING AMERICA 250 EVENT. WATER CREWS CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE NORTHERN PART OF CONNOLLY STREET, JUST NORTH OF LYDIA DRIVE. WATER PRODUCTION HAS NORMALIZED. FINALLY, THE AVERAGE DEMAND IS 3.4 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, DOWN FROM A PEAK OF 6.0 THIS SUMMER, AND THE PEAK OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER. 
          SO WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THE WORST IS BEHIND US, AT LEAST UNTIL NEXT SUMMER. CITY WASTEWATER CREWS CONTINUE TO WORK ON MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES AT ALL OF OUR AT ALL OF OUR FACILITIES. AND THEN ONE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO MENTION. OUR WATER CREWS RECEIVED A WRITTEN COMPLIMENT FROM A RESIDENT REGARDING THEIR OUTSTANDING COMMUNICATION AND PROFESSIONAL PROFESSIONALISM. IN THIS RESIDENT WAS ALONG MILFORD AVENUE. SO THANKS TO BOB SCOTT, THE REST OF THE GUYS FOR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUT GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KYLE FOR SOME CONSTRUCTION UPDATES REGARDING OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. THANKS, JEREMY. WE HAVE A COUPLE PROJECTS WRAPPING UP IN THE COMING WEEKS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE 2025 PAVING PROGRAM, SO ALL THE PAVEMENT WORK IS COMPLETE. OUR CONTRACTOR WILL BE BACK IN LATER THIS WEEK TO START STRIPING WORK FOR THE PAVING PROGRAM. THE SECOND PROJECT NEARING COMPLETE IS THE WEST FIFTH STREET IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. SIMILAR TO THE PAVING PROGRAM, ALL THE ASPHALT IS DOWN FOR THAT PROJECT. THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ITEMS ARE THE STRIPING, SO THE CONTRACTOR THEY'LL BE IN LATER THIS WEEK TO STRIPE WEST FIFTH STREET AS WELL. AND THAT WILL HELP KIND OF CLARIFY KIND OF WHERE WHERE VEHICLES SHOULD BE TRAVELING ON WEST FIFTH STREET, THE CHERRY STREET AND CARRIAGE ACRES SANITARY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. SO THAT PROJECT WAS DIVIDED OUT INTO THREE PHASES. THE FIRST PHASE IS WRAPPING UP THIS WEEK, AND THAT IS JUST NORTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, ALL THE WAY UP TO LAKEVIEW DRIVE. SO THE CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO WRAP THAT UP THIS WEEK. THAT WILL BE PAVED IN CHERRY STREET, WILL OPEN BACK UP. THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO START PHASE TWO, WHICH IS NORTH OF LAKEVIEW DRIVE ON CHERRY STREET, ALL THE WAY UP TO CITY LANE. WE ARE GOING TO HOLD OUR CONTRACTOR OFF UNTIL AFTER THE HOLIDAYS FOR THAT AT THE EARLIEST, SO PHASE TWO WILL NOT START UNTIL JANUARY OF 2026 AT THE EARLIEST. PHASE THREE IS A SMALL PORTION ALONG LAKEVIEW DRIVE. OUR CONTRACTOR WANTED TO START THAT NEXT WEEK, BUT WITH THANKSGIVING COMING UP, WE ASKED THEM TO HOLD OFF UNTIL DECEMBER 1ST TO START THAT SO THAT SMALL SECTION SHOULD BE WRAPPED UP BEFORE BEFORE THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS. THE LAST PROJECT IS NOT A PROJECT, BUT IT MIGHT BE OF INFORMATION FOR FOR EVERYONE HERE. COLUMBIA GAS CAME IN EARLIER THIS YEAR TO UPGRADE THEIR FACILITIES ON NORTH MAIN STREET. THEY WILL BE COMING BACK LATER THIS WEEK TO MILL NORTH MAIN STREET AND THEN REPAVE WHERE THEIR PROJECT WAS. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING TO MILL AND REPAVE NORTH MAIN STREET LATER THIS WEEK. THOSE ARE ALL ALL OF OUR UPDATES. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND MR. PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION WE MENTIONED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, MYSELF AND BRAD LUTZ AND JEREMY HOYT WERE RECENTLY ABLE TO ATTEND THE THE ICMA CONFERENCE THAT HAS. I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN OVERVIEW, A LITTLE BIT OF IT TONIGHT, JEREMY AND BRAD WILL ADD SOME COMMENTS AS WELL, BUT REAL QUICK, IF WE COULD STEP THROUGH IT HERE. JUST TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF THE WHAT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ICMA CONFERENCE. FIRST OF ALL, ICMA STANDS FOR INTERNATIONAL CITY AND COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. SO THERE'S CITY MANAGERS AND COUNTY MANAGERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND OTHER COUNTRIES WERE REPRESENTED AS WELL. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, THIS WAS A RECORD ATTENDANCE THIS YEAR. OVER 5000 ATTENDEES COUNTRIES REPRESENTED. THERE WERE 24 COUNTRIES. JAPAN HAD A LARGE CONTINGENT AS AS AS THEY ALWAYS DO. IT GIVES YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW. I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THESE, BUT THE NUMBER OF CITIES AND THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. SO REALLY EXCEPTIONAL EVENT, THE THREE OF US. THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO DOUBLE UP AND SOMETIMES TRIPLE 
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UP ON, ON AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS IS ALL THE EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE DURING THE DURING THE CONFERENCE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE THINGS, PRETTY MUCH PROBABLY 80% OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE AND ATTEND. AND IT'S JUST AS YOU LOOK DOWN THROUGH HERE, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT TOUCH ON MANY OF THE THINGS THAT NOT ONLY OUR COMMUNITY IS DEALING WITH, BUT WHAT WE WILL BE DEALING WITH, OBVIOUSLY, INTO THE FUTURE A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. THE ONE INTERESTING THING, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE ICMA CONFERENCE IS IT'S IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO SEE THAT EVERYBODY'S DEALING WITH MANY OF THE SAME THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND SO IT'S REALLY IT'S REALLY NO DIFFERENT. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. AND YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND PULL THIS UP. THIS WAS ONE OF THE SESSIONS I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THAT REALLY BROUGHT TO LIGHT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THAT ARE HAPPENING IN AND AROUND NOT ONLY MARYSVILLE, BUT IN, IN AND AROUND THE COLUMBUS REGION. BUT WHAT WAS INTERESTING ON THIS PARTICULAR SESSION, NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY COMMUNITIES OUT THERE THAT AREN'T AS FORTUNATE AT US AS US AND, AND DON'T HAVE GOOD QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF WATER SYSTEM. AND MANY HAVE CONTAMINATION ISSUES AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. AND SO FOR THOSE AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE MORE YOU CAN HAVE. 
          INFRASTRUCTURE, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA OF WATER AND WASTEWATER WAS MENTIONED, IS A HUGE, HUGE ADVANTAGE. AND SO THIS WAS JUST A VERY INTERESTING SESSION. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK UP SOME OF THESE ITEMS AND CHECK THEM OUT, THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTING. JEREMY, I THINK I'LL SHIFT THIS DOWN TO YOU. 
          YEAH, I'LL GO THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF CLASSES I ATTENDED THAT I THOUGHT WERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, I GUESS, BORROW OR STEAL FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO THIS ONE IS BUILDING TRUST AND ENHANCING CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT IN SMALLER COMMUNITIES WITH CITIZEN ACADEMIES. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE THE FOLKS THAT WERE PRESENTING WERE CITIES THAT WERE RIGHT AROUND 10,000 PEOPLE, BUT THEY FOUND THIS PROGRAM IS A GOOD WAY TO EDUCATE AND INFORM CITIZENS. AND FOR THE MOST PART, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH IS DISPELLING MISINFORMATION THAT GETS OUT THERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR WHEREVER IT GOES. SO THIS WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO TO INFORM THE CITIZENS ON, YOU KNOW, WHY SOME DECISIONS ARE MADE AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S WITHIN THE CITY'S CONTROL AND WHAT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY'S CONTROL. 
          AND FOR THE MOST PART, WHAT WHAT THESE COMMUNITIES SAID WAS RESIDENTS OBVIOUSLY REALLY APPRECIATE IT. BUT AS FOLKS GRADUATE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH GRADUATE FROM THE CITIZEN ACADEMIES, THEY NOW WE NOW HAVE A BIGGER LIST FOR TARA AND MCKENZIE AND COUNCIL TO CHOOSE FROM FOR COMMITTEES. AND THEY'VE EVEN GOTTEN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OUT OF IT. SO IT'S A GOOD, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM FARM SYSTEM TO TO GET SOME RESIDENTS THAT ARE EDUCATED WITH, YOU KNOW, AND AT LEAST KNOW ENOUGH TO BE DEADLY ABOUT THE CITY PROCESS. THE NEXT ONE, I WENT TO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW WITH TWO NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WILL BE ON BOARD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. BUT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ONBOARDING PROCESS. AND LUCKILY, TERRY SET IT UP VERY NICE WITH MCKENZIE'S HELP. 
          BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE FOLLOW EXACTLY WHAT WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED. THIS WAS A LARGER CITY THAT PROPOSED THIS, BUT THE BIG THINGS THEY SAID WAS, YOU KNOW, MAKE CONTACT ASAP WITH WITH THE NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, AND THE KEY POINT OF ALL OF THIS WAS THAT EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD MAKES THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE THEY'RE THE THE EXPERTS IN IT. 
          AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THE NEW NEWLY ELECTED OFFICIAL JUST MUST, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING WE HAVE TO GET ACROSS TO THEM IS UNDERSTANDING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND WHAT WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO AND WHAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO. AND THEN THE LAST ONE I HAVE NOT RUN THIS BY DEANNA. BUT WHAT WENT ON AND WENT TO ESSENTIALLY A SOCIAL MEDIA CLASS AS IT RELATES TO CITY GOVERNMENT. SO THEY THEY WENT INTO A LOT OF DETAIL THERE, CREATING AI VIDEOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE STRETCH FOR US RIGHT NOW. I THINK THE ONE CITY MANAGER, I'M NOT SURE HOW HE FEELS ABOUT THIS, BUT 
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HAS THEIR OWN TIKTOK PAGE AND THEY CREATE, YOU KNOW, 1 TO 3 MINUTE VIDEOS EVERY TWO WEEKS. 
          AND AND AGAIN, A LOT OF IT IS TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE TO THE CITIZENS AND DISPEL MISINFORMATION. THE ONE THING THEY FOUND IS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I'VE BEEN SUBJECT TO THIS AT TIMES, BUT SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS ARE NOT THE TRUE INDICATOR OF A COMMUNITY'S OPINION. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. SO A LOT OF THAT WAS GETTING THE EDUCATION OUT IN REGARDS TO THAT. AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT PRESENTED, HE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LOWER RIGHT OR LOWER LEFT SLIDE VIDEO IS KING. SO IF YOU CAN IF YOU HAVE TO READ, IT SEEMS LIKE TODAY'S GENERATION DOESN'T WANT TO READ. THEY WANT TO JUST SCROLL THROUGH VIDEOS. SO THE MORE YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES CAN GET OUT THERE ON VIDEO, WHETHER IT IS TIKTOK OR INSTAGRAM REELS OR, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER THAT WORKS, THE KEY THING FOR US IS, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES IS TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BRAD FOR AI, WHICH WAS ANOTHER HOT TOPIC, OBVIOUSLY, AS IT RELATES TO THE. 
          ICMA. YEAH. SO AI IS ACTUALLY BEEN A MAJOR FOCUS OF THE ICMA CONFERENCE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AI EVOLVES, THE CONFERENCE EVOLVES WITH IT AND DOES A BETTER JOB TELLING US HOW BETTER TO INTEGRATE IT INTO OUR WORK SYSTEMS. I THINK LAST YEAR FOCUSED ON AI FROM A MAYBE ENHANCING YOUR WORK THAT YOU PRESENT, OR HELPING YOU MINIMIZE THE WORK THAT YOU DO IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THE ABILITY TO ASK IT TO CREATE CHARTS AND VARIOUS THINGS ALONG THAT. BUT NOW WE'RE STARTING TO SEE VERY INTERESTING THINGS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BUDGET AREA. SO THIS EVEN THOUGH THIS TITLE SAYS NAVIGATING AI AND IMPACT ON PUBLIC SECTOR WORKFORCE, IT REALLY DEALT A LOT WITH PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING AND PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP WITH THAT. AND THE PERSON WHO DID THIS PRESENTATION WAS WITH THE COMPANY THAT WE UTILIZE FOR OUR BUDGETING SOFTWARE. SO WELL, WE I'VE ALREADY MADE CONTACT WITH THIS PERSON, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING IN EARLY DECEMBER AND DISCUSS HOW THIS PROGRAM MAY HELP US, BECAUSE WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD ACTUALLY INTERNALIZE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, OUR STREET CANOPY PLAN, WATER MASTER PLAN, SEWER MASTER PLAN. 
          ANY PLAN YOU WANT TO PUT IN IT, IT'LL INTERNALIZE IT. IT'LL LOOK AT OUR EXPENDITURES AND IT CAN TELL US AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE SURE ALL THE DATA IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, BUT IT WILL TELL US HOW WELL OUR SPENDING ALIGNS WITH OUR PRIORITIES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO IN OUR OFFICE? YEAH, BUT IT WOULD INVOLVE REVIEWING EVERY SINGLE INVOICE AND TRYING TO EVALUATE DOES THIS ALIGN WITH A PARTICULAR ITEM OR NOT? I MEAN, IT'S EASY WITH POLICE AND FIRE. OTHER THINGS GET A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. SO I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I'VE STRUGGLED TO FIND, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD USE FOR AI IN OUR IN OUR SYSTEMS. THIS MAY BE A GREAT WAY TO INTEGRATE IT INTO SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAVE. SO IF ALL I WALK AWAY FROM THE PRESENTATION OR ICMA CONFERENCE WAS THIS I. HONESTLY, I'M PRETTY EXCITED. THE LAST SLIDE REALLY WAS A HUGE FOCUS THROUGHOUT THE CONFERENCE ON WORKFORCE EMPLOYEE RETENTION, AND THERE'S NO GREATER RESOURCE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY THAN YOUR EMPLOYEES. AND SO THIS WAS STRESSED MULTIPLE IN MULTIPLE SESSIONS IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT, KEEPING YOUR WORKFORCE IS IS NOT EASY. AND WE'VE EVEN NOTICED THAT A LITTLE BIT IN SOME OF OUR AREAS SOMEWHAT RECENTLY. BUT BUT EMPLOYEE RETENTION AND DOING LITTLE THINGS TO TO MAKE THE EMPLOYEES FEEL VALUED IS IS A HUGE AREA. THE OTHER. AND THEN LASTLY, AND I DIDN'T SAY IT EARLIER ON, THERE WAS A HUGE OHIO CONTINGENT AT THE CONFERENCE, PROBABLY AT OUR WE HAD A SOCIAL EVENT WITH WITH ALL THE OHIO DELEGATES, AND THERE WAS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 125 OHIO DELEGATES REPRESENTING MANY OF THE CITIES THAT HAVE CITY MANAGERS HERE, AND NOT ONLY THE CENTRAL OHIO AREA, BUT BUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE. SO VERY REWARDING. CONFERENCE SOMETHING. FEEL FREE. IF YOU GO ONLINE, YOU CAN LOOK UP SOME THINGS YOURSELF. IT'S IT'S JUST EXTREMELY VALUABLE. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO ATTEND. AND THAT WOULD COMPLETE OUR ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. DO DOES COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR ADMINISTRATION AT THIS TIME? 
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YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST REALLY HAVE ONE COMMENT. I WANT TO THANK KYLE, YOU AND YOUR TEAM. I WAS DRIVING UP CHESTNUT THE OTHER DAY, AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN UP HERE LIKE A BROKEN RECORD FOR WHAT SEEMS TO BE DECADES. BUT WE FINALLY GOT THE STREET CROSSING LIGHT AT PROFESSIONAL AND WEAVER, SO THAT KIND OF MADE MY DAY. I WAS ACTUALLY TOUTING IT TO MY WIFE AND KIDS THE OTHER DAY LIKE, HEY, IT'S GOING TO BE SO MUCH SAFER TO TO CROSS HERE. SO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR FOR THE SUPPORT. I KNOW IT WAS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT PAINFUL, BUT APPRECIATE YOU COMING THROUGH ON THAT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OH GO AHEAD YES I DO. 
          THE OF COURSE LAST WEEK WE HAD THE RIBBON CUTTING OVER AT THE RESERVOIR. AND I CONTINUE TO IMPRESS ON PEOPLE THAT BEFORE YOU CROSS OVER RAYMOND, MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC IS STOPPED. 
          YES. YEAH. AND THEN AND REALLY THIS THIS IS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING. BUT EVEN WHEN WE WERE THERE, YEAH, WE SAW PEOPLE COMING WITH 50 MILES AN HOUR. 
          YEAH. AND WE HAD PEOPLE STANDING. THEY WERE HESITANT TO CROSS THE ROAD. AND IT WASN'T UNTIL TRAFFIC STOPPED BEFORE THEY CROSSED THE ROAD. YEAH. SO AGAIN YEAH, THIS THIS IS ONE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ALL TAKE VERY SERIOUS. YEAH. THAT HAVING A FLASHING LIGHT IS, IS A CAUTIONARY LIGHT. YEAH. AND IT DOES NOT MAKE EVERYBODY STOP. SO PLEASE IF YOU DO USE IT TAKE YOUR TIME. YEAH. WAIT UNTIL THE TRAFFIC STANDSTILL AND THEN CROSS THE ROAD. I WOULD ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE ON ANY CROSSWALK IS TO ENSURE THAT YOU MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH THE VEHICLES APPROACHING THAT CROSSWALK, MAKE EYE CONTACT, MAKE SURE THEY'VE STOPPED JUST LIKE YOU SAY, HANK. AND THEN. THEN PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY STILL. BUT YEAH, THAT IS AN AREA THAT PEOPLE VEHICLES ARE MOVING PRETTY QUICK. BUT I THINK IF IF YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, WAIT UNTIL THEY STOP, MAKE EYE CONTACT AND THEN PROCEED. YEAH. AND AGAIN, THANKS TO REPRESENTATIVE RICHARDSON AND OUR STAFF TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE IT IS JUST A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE RECREATION TO THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. SO THANK YOU. 
          THANKS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND TO HANK'S POINT ABOUT THE CROSSING OUT THERE, KYLE, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETIMES IF THERE'S CHANGES IN TRAFFIC PATTERNS. I THINK YOU PUT TEMPORARY SIGNAGE OUT SINCE THAT'S A NEW AREA AT PRETTY HIGH SPEED. IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO JUST TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION? HEY, SOMETHING IS NEW HERE BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE GET FOCUSED. AND IT IS, I THINK, A REALLY VALID POINT, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT AREA. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I KNOW FOR LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNALS YOU PUT LIKE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL AHEAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE CAN LOOK INTO THE OHIO MANUAL FOR UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES TO SEE IF PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS APPLY TO THE SAME KIND OF THEORY. OKAY. YEAH, THANKS. JUST A PRECAUTION. WE DO HAVE SIGNS OUT THERE THAT SAYS PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AHEAD, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT FLASHES OR ANYTHING FOR YOU. OKAY. JUST SOMETHING KIND OF OBVIOUS AND OUT OF THE ORDINARY AND MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE CLUNKY JUST TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION THAT SOMETHING'S DIFFERENT. THANKS. ANYBODY ELSE? I WOULD JUST SAY ON FOR COUNCILMAN KRAMER'S COUNCILWOMAN KRAMER'S STATEMENT, MAYBE IF STRIPING YOU KNOW, THE STREET IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE YOU PUT YOU KNOW HOW YOU SEE SOMETIMES THE INTERSECTION LIKE THERE'S TONS OF WHITE BARS AND IT KIND OF LIKE, LEADS UP TO SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD WORK INSTEAD OF SIGNAGE, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY ENGINEER'S OFFICE. BUT NEXT TIME WE TALK TO HIM, I'D BE HAPPY TO KIND OF BRING 
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IT UP TO HIM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. REPORT OF CLERK OF COUNCIL. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE ITEM. COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED A LIQUOR PERMIT REQUEST FOR GIOVANNI'S, AND IT IS A D1 REQUEST, WHICH IS FOR BEER SALES ONLY. CHIEF BROOKS DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS. 
          THIS COUNCIL. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THIS IS HEARING OF CITIZENS. ANY 
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CITIZEN HAS UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RELATED TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU. MISS, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT I HAVE HEARING OF CITIZENS AND THEN I THEN I HAVE 
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ECONOMIC. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. WELL HEARING NONE WERE MOVED ON TO THE REPORT OF ECONOMIC 
          [REPORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ]
DEVELOPMENT. MISTER PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, JUST ONE ITEM. WE DO HAVE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY WE'RE WORKING ON, AND A NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE THERE ON THURSDAY. LET'S CROSS OUR FINGERS THAT THEY CAN GET ON THEIR FLIGHT AND COME HERE. BUT IF THERE'S ANY UPDATES, YOU WILL KNOW IF THERE'S ANY UPDATES RELATED TO THAT. BUT WE ARE BEGINNING THAT PROCESS AND WE'LL BE DOING A RESIDENT SURVEY COMING UP, TRYING TO GET INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS ON HOW WE WANT TO GROW AND HOW WE WANT TO DEVELOP. SO MORE TO COME ON THAT. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR A NUMBER OF YOU SIGNING UP. AND IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO COME, THEY'RE WELCOME TO FROM A CITY COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE. SO AGAIN ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC STRATEGY JUST LET ME KNOW. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER PHILLIPS. 
          YES. WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, I'D LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PLAN THAT COUNCIL FIRST HEARD IN MARCH. AND WE HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS AT THAT TIME AND JUST WONDERED IF YOU COULD CLARIFY, SINCE THAT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL, WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THAT SCORING SPECIFICALLY TO THE SCORING MATRIX AND WHAT ENTITIES WERE CONSULTED TO COME UP WITH THAT OUTCOME? ABSOLUTELY. I DO NOT HAVE THE YOU HAVE THE CHEAT SHEET IN FRONT OF YOU. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. BUT BASICALLY WE DID TAKE I THINK MACKENZIE CAN PROBABLY PUT THAT UP. YEAH, OKAY. BUT AFTER WE MET WITH COUNCIL, WE DID MEET WITH A NUMBER OF OUR PARTNERS AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE COUNTY, WHICH IN SOME CASES WE REQUIRE THEIR APPROVAL THROUGH THE THE INCENTIVE PROCESS. WE ALSO MET WITH SCHOOLS. WE'VE MET WITH TOWNSHIPS AS WELL. SO THERE WAS A TON OF INPUT THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS. AND IT'S BEEN ON HOLD BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW FACTORS COMING INTO PLAY HERE. WE HAVE TO BRING BUILD CONSENSUS. SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE HAVE UPDATED A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THE INCENTIVE POLICY. AND I GUESS TO POINT OUT A FEW ITEMS, ONE OVER HERE TO THE POINTS, I THINK MR. BORDNER HAD A SUGGESTION. LET'S CREATE A NEW LEVEL. SO INSTEAD OF FOUR LEVELS, WE WENT TO FIVE LEVELS. WE HAVE A 35. FIVE IS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE ACTUALLY MADE. WE ALSO HAVE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE REGARDING BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT FOR TWO POINTS. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER CHANGE BASED ON MRS. KRAMER'S COMMENT. NOW WE'RE THIS ONE. IS THE OLD ONE FROM YOUR ORIGINAL PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, I LIKE CLARIFICATION OR HAVE EVERYBODY INFORMED WHAT'S CHANGED SINCE THE ORIGINAL ONE. YES. SO I'M TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO WORK ON HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THOSE CHANGES. I CAN GO DOWN FROM EACH ONE AGAIN. I CAN ALSO GIVE YOU ANOTHER REPORT THE NEXT MEETING. BE PREPARED FOR THIS AS WELL. MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT'S HAPPENED. SO THE LEVELS HAVE BEEN INCREASED. THE BROWNFIELD WAS ADDED BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION. I HAVE GONE TO MORE FOR BETTER DEFINITION OF WHAT A BROWNFIELD IS AS WELL TO ADD, YOU KNOW, CHARACTER ADD DEFINITION TO THAT AS WELL. BUT THERE'S BEEN THOSE ARE SOME OF THE HIGH HIGHLIGHT CHANGES. AND THEN WE MADE UP SOME CLEANUP ITEMS TOO, AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. OKAY. AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET SOME INFORMATION ON THIS FOR SOME TIME. AND SO THE BROWNFIELD DEVELOPMENT WAS ALREADY IN THE ORIGINAL ONE. BUT I KNOW VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL HAD SUGGESTIONS RELATED TO SUSTAINABILITY, RELATED TO BUILDING EFFICIENCY. SHOULD WATER BE INCLUDED IN THIS SCORING? SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE DONATION. AND YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE SKEWING THIS BY THE POINT SYSTEM. SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE SEEN OF THE DRAFT REVISIONS, I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL IN MARCH. AND IN FACT, THEY'VE ACTUALLY GONE THE OTHER DIRECTION THAN WHAT COUNCIL HAD INTENDED. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH CONSIDERABLE EMPHASIS ON SUSTAINABILITY, THE NEW VERSION HAS ADDED SOME WORDING OR SUSTAINABLE PROJECT TO THE BROWNFIELD DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT ANY INCREASE IN POINTS. SO BASICALLY WE ARE HAVING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SEEING A BENEFIT. YOU COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF SUSTAINABLE PROJECT AND A BROWNFIELD DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE SEE NO INCREASE IN POINTS AS A RESULT OF THAT CHANGE. WE 
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HAVE ALSO SEEN, F EXAMPLE, THE POINTS WERE INCREASED FOR THE DONATION, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DONATION. AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, A SCHOOL DISTRICT DONATION IS A VERY GOOD THING. 
          BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN THAT THE MAXIMUM FOR THAT WAS THREE POINTS AND NOW IT'S FOUR POINTS. 
          SO BASICALLY JUST JUST A SIMPLE SUMMARY OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A $10,000 DONATION TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND GET TWICE AS MANY POINTS AS IF THEY WERE DEVELOPING ON A BROWNFIELD. 
          AND ANY KIND OF SUSTAINABLE ASPECT, WHICH COULD BE A CONSIDERABLE INVESTMENT FROM A COMPANY AND A VERY POSITIVE THING FOR THIS COMMUNITY. SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN GIVE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES HERE, BUT I FEEL LIKE FROM MARCH TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, KNOWING THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME VERY IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PLANS COMING FORWARD, THAT THIS IS A FOUNDATION OF HOW WE MAKE DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD. SO, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND THAT WE HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, TO COME FROM A PLACE I BELIEVE ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED TO US, THIS WAS GOING TO BE FINALIZED IN JULY. 
          THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD TIMING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE COMING THROUGH. I THINK AS A COMMUNITY, WE HAVE BEEN PLACING A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON GOOD PLANNING PARKS, URBAN FORESTRY, WATER MASTER DEVELOPMENT, WATER MASTER PLAN. AND NOW WE'RE WE'RE GETTING INTO THE EDITORS. WHEN WE HAVE HAD THIS ON HOLD, I WAS OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE AS FAR AS THE COST OF SERVICES WOULD FEED INTO THIS FOR BETTER DECISION MAKING. BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN EXTRA ELEMENT AND IT DOES NOT FEED INTO THIS SCORING SYSTEM. SO I REALLY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT WHERE WE ARE NOW AND WHY THERE HASN'T BEEN MORE SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, CHANGES AND STRATEGIC THINKING ABOUT HOW THIS FITS INTO HOW WE PROVIDE INCENTIVES MOVING FORWARD. YEAH, I MEAN, IN ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WENT BACK AND WENT TO AGAIN, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE A PARTNER IN DOING INCENTIVES WHEN YOU DO AN ENTERPRISE ZONE AND OTHER THINGS. SO THEIR INPUT IS VALUABLE. SOME OF OUR PARTNERS AND WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO A NUMBER, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, WE HAVE NOT BROUGHT THIS BACK TO YOU BECAUSE WE'RE IT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER, AND WE'RE TRYING TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE TO MAKE IT BETTER BEFORE WE WOULD BRING IT BACK. SO ANY COMMENTS WE RECEIVE, WE WANT TO HEAR THEM SO WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE COMMENTS. AND WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          WE ARE TESTING WE'RE USING THE EXISTING INCENTIVE POLICY. RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE AN EXISTING THAT ONLY LOOKS AT JOBS, PAYROLL AND INVESTMENTS. SO WE'RE STILL USING THAT AS THE EXISTING INCENTIVE POLICY. WE'RE ALSO TESTING ALL PROJECTS THAT COME FORWARD WITH THE NEW INCENTIVE POLICY BASED UPON. I THINK IT'S UP TO 32 POINTS NOW. I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN EXTENDED. 
          AND SORRY I DID NOT NOTICE THIS WAS THE OLDER OR THE PREVIOUS ONE, OR THE OR THE OLD ONE OR THE NEW ONE, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INPUT AS POSSIBLE BEFORE WE GET BACK TO MAKE IT A BETTER DOCUMENT. SO I HAVE PUT A REQUEST OUT TO MORE TO BETTER DEFINE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING EFFICIENCY, LEAD REDEVELOPMENT, HOW WE COULD DEFINE THAT BETTER. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM ACTUALLY TRADING EMAILS WITH THEM. AND THE COST OF SERVICES WAS A REQUEST OF SOME A COUPLE LEADERS THAT CAME AND SAID, LOOK, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AN ROI. SO IF X INCENTIVE EQUALS THIS, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE NOT GETTING IN TAXES, WHAT IS THE COST OF SERVICES AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT OUR SERVICES. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THAT TOGETHER, WHICH IS REQUIRED US TO GO TO POLICE, FIRE, SHERIFF SCHOOLS AND ALSO INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THERE'S FIVE FACTORS WE'RE LOOKING AT TO BASICALLY SAY THIS IS THE USE. THIS IS THE INTENDED COST OF THE SERVICE TO TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THAT USE. AND THEN HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH THE INCENTIVE POLICY. SO WE'RE LOOKING IN THAT. SO THERE IS A LOT OF WORK BEEN GOING ON. AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FINALIZE THE COST OF SERVICES IS THE LAST THING. OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S VALUABLE INFORMATION BECAUSE THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN HAVE ABOUT THAT THE BETTER. 
          BUT THAT IS ACCOMPANYING OR A SIDE PART OF THIS THAT DOESN'T FEED INTO THIS DOCUMENT. SO FOR US TO WAIT EIGHT MONTHS AND SEE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THERE OR MOVING AN OPPOSITE DIRECTION 
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THAN WHAT WE HAD REQUESTED AS A COUNCIL EIGHT MONTHS AGO, OR AT LEAST TO LOOK INTO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE? I MEAN, IF WE'RE BEING HELD UP BY ANOTHER PROCESS, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT TIME THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING TO REFINE THIS PART OF IT. SO WE'RE IN A PLACE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE CAN PUT BOTH OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. I MEAN, IF IT'S A DESIRE OF COUNCIL TO APPROVE AS IS, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ANOTHER PARTNER SIGN ON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD. IF YOU WANT TO SIGN IT NOW AND MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN DO THAT FROM A CITY COUNCIL. BUT YOU HAVE PARTNERS, SCHOOLS AND COUNTY THAT YOU WANT TO ALSO BRING ALONG THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT WE COULD NOT GET THAT CONSENSUS AND YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT IF YOU'D LIKE. THAT'S I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT TO APPROVE IT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT IN A PLACE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE TO BE APPROVED. MY POINT IS THE OPPOSITE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH IT. WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD BY SAYING MOVE AHEAD. I MEAN MOVE AHEAD WITH A SOPHISTICATED ANALYSIS, GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE INVOLVED WHO CAN HELP US BALANCE THOSE WITH THE SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD. AND I THINK THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC REASON WHY WE BROUGHT THOSE ISSUES FORWARD. WE HAVE MADE, I THINK, SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE THE UTILITY WORKING GROUP TEAM PRESENTED NEW RATES. THEY WERE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW THEY SET UP THE TIERS AND INTEGRATING THAT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THOSE CHARGES, BUT ALSO HOW WE INCENTIVIZE BUSINESSES THAT COME IN. JEREMY HAS DONE FABULOUS WORK GOING INTO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT OUR WATER SYSTEM CAN HANDLE, BUT IT'S MORE THAN JUST ABOUT SAYING YES OR NO. WE HAVE THIS AMOUNT AND WE CAN DEAL WITH IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S ABOUT PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING NOT PROJECT BY PROJECT. AND I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT IN MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE CITY, NOT PROJECT BY PROJECT, BUT LOOKING AT A MORE INTEGRATED APPROACH TO, TO PLANNING. AND THEN I DID NOTICE AN ADDITIONAL BIT THAT WAS ADDED SINCE WE SAW THIS, WHICH IS A SYSTEM CAPACITY FEE INCENTIVE POLICY. 
          SO WE HAVE JUST WORKED TO CREATE A FEE STRUCTURE VERY INTENTIONALLY, BUT THEN WE'RE ADDING A NEW PIECE IN HERE THAT AGAIN OFFERS INCENTIVES TO TO PAY LESS, TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT TIER, WHICH IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AT MONDAY'S MEETING. SO AGAIN, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING AN INTEGRATED APPROACH AS WE MOVE FORWARD. YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE EXISTING INCENTIVE POLICY THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP FORWARD IN THIS DOCUMENT. SO WAS ADDED BECAUSE IT'S IN THE EXISTING. SO IF COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT THAT IN WE CAN REMOVE THAT AS WELL. BUT WE PROBABLY WANT INPUT FROM JEREMY ON HOW TO IMPROVE IT OR TO SATISFY YOU WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN IT. SO WE COULD REMOVE IT. WE CAN CHANGE IT. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. ABSOLUTELY. SO ULTIMATELY, I THINK IT IS SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE, VERY HIGH PRIORITY TO BASICALLY AT YOUR NEXT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UPDATE TO COUNCIL, INCLUDE A PLAN ON HOW OUR COUNCIL CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN A MEANINGFUL WAY IN THE SCORING MATRIX AND THE TIER LEVELS, AND THAT WE GET THE NECESSARY ASSISTANCE THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS IN A MEANINGFUL MANNER, AND EVEN FROM SOME INPUT FROM PRIVATE INDUSTRY, BECAUSE WE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. I AM NOT DENYING THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD PLAN A WORK SESSION OR SOME KIND OF WORKSHOP AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION WITH NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AFTER THEY COME ON BOARD AND GET ORIENTED, INVITE SOME EXPERTS IN SUSTAINABLE PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO HELP US COME UP WITH STRATEGIES THAT MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE AND ARE SUSTAINABLE. WE ENGAGING STAKEHOLDERS. AS YOU MENTIONED, THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AND YOU KNOW THIS. WE ARE A KEY STAKEHOLDER HERE, AND THIS HAS BEEN PRETTY SILENT IN THE EIGHT MONTHS. THIS I THINK WAS MY THIRD COUNCIL MEETING. AND I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT WE COULD HAVE A REALLY GOOD OUTCOME WHILE I AM STILL ON COUNCIL. WE ENGAGE KEY STAKEHOLDERS BECAUSE THIS AGREEMENT IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT BUY INTO IT. AND I DO FEEL THAT NEGOTIATIONS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS SHOULD BE SUSPENDED UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO GET THIS REVISED. DID YOU GET ALL THAT 
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FOR THE MINUTES? SO WE KNOW OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. DO COMMENTS HAVE TO COME THURSDAY DURING THE MEETING OR TONIGHT'S WILL BE REFLECTED IN THURSDAY'S DISCUSSIONS AS WELL OR CONSIDERED THURSDAY. I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE COUNCILWOMAN KRAMER SAID A LOT THIS EVENING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INCORPORATED IN THE NOTES OR THE CONTEXT OF THURSDAY'S DISCUSSION. YES. IF NOT, I CAN MAKE A PRIORITY TO ATTEND THAT MEETING. SO THE EDITORS DISCUSSION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. IN A SENSE, THE EDITORS IS MORE OF, YOU KNOW, OVERARCHING GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF WHAT USAGE YOU WANT TO ATTRACT, HOW YOU WANT TO GROW AS A COMMUNITY. THE INCENTIVE POLICY IS PART OF THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. SO IT'S PART A COMPONENT OF THAT. SO THESE ARE MORE GENERAL COMMENTS ON THURSDAY. SO WE HAVE MISS KRAMER'S COMMENTS. AND AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK FOR A WORK SESSION. WHATEVER COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO, WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ISSUE. AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE DO BRING IT BACK, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE. I'M BIG ON SIDE BY SIDE. YOU HEAR IT ALL, ALL THE TIME OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT FORWARD AND WHAT IS NOW BEING OR BROUGHT FORWARD. SO IT'S CLEAR NOT ONLY FOR THE SEVEN MEMBERS THAT SIT UP HERE, BUT FOR THE BROADER COMMUNITY WHO'S WATCHING OR ENGAGED WITHIN WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE FOR. YES, WE HAVE A STRIKETHROUGH VERSION. IT SHOWS ALL THE CHANGES AND UPDATES WE'VE MADE. OKAY, COOL. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY TIME THERE'S A LIVELY DEBATE, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU WANT TO GIVE GRATITUDE TO THE ONES WHO READ AND TAKE THE TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO UNDERSTAND AND BRING CHANGE. AND WE ALL THANK YOU. AND TO LEADERSHIP, ANYTIME YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS, IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO LISTEN TO SEVEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND WE THANK YOU AS WELL. SO BUT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU KNOW, MCKINSEY HAVE WRITTEN DOWN THOSE TOPICS AND WE'LL BE DIVING INTO THOSE. AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE I ALWAYS SAID, I WAS PROUD TO APPOINT YOU AND THANK GOD YOU HAVE BEEN HERE TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE. PARKS AND 
          [PARKS AND RECREATION REPORT:]
RECREATION REPORT. YEAH, THIS WILL BE A SHORT ONE. SO WE DID NOT HAVE A PARKS AND REC COMMISSION MEETING LAST MONTH. OUR NEXT ONE WILL BE ON TUESDAY THE 18TH AT 6 P.M. HERE IN CITY HALL. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. RESOLUTION A ONE READING ONLY 
          [Res. A]
TO ADOPT AN INFORMATION SECURITY POLICY FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, OHIO ADMINISTRATION. 
          YEAH. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TREVOR WOLFF WHO'S HERE, OUR IT DIRECTOR, WHO WILL GIVE YOU JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING. AND, OF COURSE, YOU HEARD FROM TREVOR AT THE WORK SESSION LAST WEEK, BUT HE'LL REITERATE A LITTLE BIT AGAIN FOR THE AUDIENCE. SO THIS IS EXCUSE ME, THIS IS THE LEGISLATIVE PIECE TO MEET THE STATE'S HOUSE BILL 96 CYBERSECURITY REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS. AND IF ANYBODY IN COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CITY'S CYBERSECURITY PROGRAM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I'M HAPPY TO TO TELL THEM. BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE LEGISLATIVE PIECE TO TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE STATE COUNCIL. CITIZENS. ZERO MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. REAMES. YES, MISS CRAMER. YES. 
          MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURBY YES. MR. BURGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. SEVEN. YES. 
          LEGISLATION PASSES BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA. I WAS TOLD THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE VIDEO BEING SHOWN TONIGHT DURING THE MEETING. DO YOU KNOW. YEAH, I, I SAW THAT FEEDBACK AS WELL. BUT I'VE GOT IT PULLED UP ON MY COMPUTER AND THE VIDEO LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING WELL. 
          OKAY. SO IT MIGHT JUST BE UNIQUE TO THAT PERSON OKAY. THANK YOU. ORDINANCE A. THIRD 
          [Ord. A]
READING VOTE TO APPROVE CITY COUNCILS AMENDMENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION THAT NO MODIFICATION BE MADE TO SECTION 1141.27 ACTION BY PLANNING COMMISSION. 
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ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. HEAR A MOTION TO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION AS AMENDED. OKAY. ROLL CALL, MISS CRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. 
          MR. YES. MR. BURGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES. YES. SEVEN. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES. 
          [Ord. B]
ORDINANCE BE THIRD READING VOTE TO AMEND CHAPTER 1320 VACANT BUILDING REGISTRATION OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. CODIFIED ORDINANCES. ADMINISTRATION. YEAH, I THINK ZACH'S GOING TO HAVE POTENTIALLY AN AMENDMENT. ZACH. DO WE. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. SO THE AMENDMENT WE HAVE DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED TEXT, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON ONE PROVISION RELATING TO TRANSFER OF PROPERTY WHEN A BUILDING IS REGISTERED AS A VACANT BUILDING. I THINK IT WAS POINTED OUT BY MISS KRAMER, THE ONE OF THE PROVISIONS. IT WASN'T VERY CLEAR. WHAT THE TRANSITION OF A PROPERTY THAT'S REGISTERED BY PROPERTY OWNER A TO B, WHERE THEY PICK UP ON THE ON THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE VACANT BUILDING. SO WE PROPOSED JUST ADDING A SENTENCE THAT KIND OF CLEARS THAT UP. SO IF I BUY A PROPERTY AND IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR TWO YEARS AT THE END OF THAT SECOND YEAR, I WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE THIRD YEAR OF REGISTRATION AND PAYING THAT FEE. SO JUST KIND OF CLEARS UP THAT AMBIGUITY IN THE PROPOSED TEXT. SO NOTHING TOO SUBSTANTIAL, JUST THAT ONE MINOR TWEAK. SO THANK YOU. COUNCIL. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THIS EMOTION. AMEND THIS TONIGHT THEN. AND IS THERE A MOTION LANGUAGE. OH YEAH. YEAH. DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO. READ THE AMENDMENT. YEAH. READ READ. YEAH. WHEN WHEN YOU CREATED A. YEAH. WE HAVE TO AMEND IT TO THREE YEARS BASED ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY SAID. NO IT'S IT'S JUST AMENDING ONE TEXT. IT'S ADDING A SENTENCE TO THE EXISTING TEXT UNDER SUBSECTION F, UNDER THE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS. IT'S JUST CLARIFYING THAT PROVISION THAT ANYBODY WHO PURCHASES A PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY REGISTERED IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTINUING THAT REGISTRATION SCHEDULE, OR A FEE SCHEDULE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CONSECUTIVE YEARS THAT THE BUILDING HAS BEEN VACANT. OKAY. 
          INSTEAD OF RESETTING IT TO ZERO AND THE NEW NEW OWNER PAYING THE ONE YEAR FEE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING WHATEVER YEAR, HOWEVER MANY YEARS OF VACANCY THAT THAT BUILDING HAS EXPERIENCED, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PICKING UP THAT REGISTRATION. OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH. SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF YOU OWN A BUILDING AND IT'S BEEN VACANT AND YOU'VE BEEN PAYING TWO OF TWO YEARS OF VACANCY, AND THEN I SAY, HEY, ZACH, I WANT TO BUY THAT BUILDING, I WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD ALLUDE TO MY WANTING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT BUILDING. 
          SO I GUESS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE NEW OWNER PAY THAT THIRD YEAR IF THEY ARE INVESTING IN THAT PROPERTY AND TRYING TO LIKE, IS THERE SOME GRACE PERIOD WHERE WE SHOULD THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER? YEAH, I GUESS IF IF YOU BOUGHT IT TWO WEEKS AFTER THE IT WAS REGISTERED FOR THE SECOND YEAR, SO YOU STILL HAVE A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR BEFORE YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY THAT THIRD YEAR REGISTRATION FEE. SO THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU TIME TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THE BUILDING TO GET IT OCCUPIED. ALTERNATIVELY, IF THERE HASN'T BEEN A REQUEST FOR AN EXEMPTION FOR THAT SPECIFIC BUILDING BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THEN THE NEW OWNER CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST AS WELL TO BE EXEMPT FOR. SO IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC, HEY, YOU JUST BOUGHT A BUILDING AND YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT FEE. DAY ONE. IT'S WHENEVER THE THAT YEAR EXPIRES FOR THAT YEAR OF REGISTRATION, THERE'S SOME GRACE PERIOD. YEAH. IS THERE AN EXCEPTION TO EXTEND THAT GRACE PERIOD IN THE EVENT THAT, LET'S SAY THE BUILDING'S REMODELING, IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME 18 MONTHS TO TO REMODEL THIS. 
          I'M INVESTING IN THIS BUILDING TO RECOVER IT, TO MAKE, LIKE, USE OUT OF OUT OF IT. YEAH. IF YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE EXEMPTION PROVISION OF THE OF THE CHAPTER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW WEEKS AGO, YOU COULD DO THAT. ALTERNATIVELY, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO GO A 
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DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WE HAVE ANOTHER OPTION WHERE IT WOULD RESET THAT CLOCK AT ZERO. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD PREFER, THAT IF A NEW OWNER BUYS IT AND IT RESETS THE REGISTRATION FEE BACK TO YEAR ONE, WE COULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. I JUST I'M STRUGGLING. LOGICALLY WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND THIS AMENDMENT. IF IF I BUY A BUILDING THAT WAS VACANT AND I'M INVESTING IN IT, WHY WOULDN'T TELL ME WHY MY CLOCK WOULDN'T RESET? WELL, WHAT'S THE LOGIC THAT IT WOULDN'T RESET? YEAH. AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR. THIS DOESN'T THIS AMENDMENT IS NOT CHANGING THE REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS ALREADY THE REQUIREMENT. THIS AMENDMENT IS JUST CLARIFYING WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT IS. SO IF YOU'D RATHER HAVE IT RESET TO ZERO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT OR WE CAN WE CAN PROPOSE THAT AMENDMENT AS WELL. WE HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT INSTEAD OF PICKING UP YEAR THREE, YOU'RE PICKING UP AT YEAR ZERO. WHEN YOU PURCHASE A PROPERTY. SO DOES EVERYBODY FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING OR AM I CRAZY. YEAH. NO, I FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WHEN THIS CAME THROUGH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO INHIBIT PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN A PROPERTY THAT IT WILL, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WILL NO LONGER BE VACANT. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HURDLES FOR THEM NOT TO DO THAT. SO AND SO CAN YOU CLARIFY, ZACH? BASICALLY, WE REGARDLESS WE NEED SOME KIND OF CLARIFICATION WHETHER IT WILL START FROM ZERO OR NOT, BECAUSE THERE'S AMBIGUITY IN IT, EITHER THIS SLIDE OR. THIS SLIDE. SO I, I, I FEEL LIKE IF SOMEBODY PURCHASES A VACANT PROPERTY AND IS WILLING TO PUT THE MONEY TO IT, INTO IT AND, AND FIX IT UP, THAT IT IS NO LONGER A VACANT BUILDING, THAT THIS SLIDE WOULD BE. YEAH, I WOULDN'T WANT TO PENALIZE SOMEBODY. RIGHT. MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY ALREADY POTENTIALLY ARE BEING RIGHT WITH THE INITIAL INVESTMENT THAT RIGHT. AND THERE IS ONE ONE SCENARIO WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD BE LIKELY. 
          BUT IF I OWN A PROPERTY UNDER AN LLC AND I DON'T WANT TO PAY THE SECOND LIKE THE NEXT YEAR REGISTRATION FEE, I MAKE A NEW LLC AND I JUST TRANSFER THAT PROPERTY TO THE NEW ONE. THAT'S A TRANSFER OF PROPERTY. NOW IT RESETS BACK TO ZERO. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A LIKELY SCENARIO, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN. AND WITH SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS OR SOME OF THE BUILDINGS WE'VE HAD REGISTERED THIS YEAR WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING TAX FOR, YOU KNOW, WE MADE THE AMENDMENTS. THERE ARE SOME LOOPHOLES, SO TO SPEAK. SO JUST ONE OTHER THING FOR CONSIDERATION. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S LIKELY. BUT IT IS POSSIBLE I GUESS. MR. HASLEMERE, IF IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY GUARDRAILS WE COULD PUT IN SOME AMENDMENT THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT TYPE OF TRANSFER OF PROPERTY? IN YOUR LEGAL OPINION? YEAH. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A REAL QUESTION. IT'S A POLICY QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO HANDLE IT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I GUESS THE ANSWER IS YES. WE COULD PUT IN HOW WE WANT TO WHERE I GUESS MY MY OPINION WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY'S IN GOOD FAITH IS INVESTING IN OUR, IN A VACANT BUILDING UPTOWN THAT'S TRYING TO. CREATE ECONOMIC. VITALITY. VITALITY. THANK YOU. WHY WHY WOULD WE WHY WOULD WE NOT? WHY WOULD WE NOT GO WITH THE LATTER, I GUESS? PRESIDENT. YES, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. AND MAYBE WE ASK THE COMMITTEE TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THIS. COULD WE COULD WE TABLE IT? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT. PUBLISHERS. YES. WHAT ABOUT. 
          YEAH. JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THAT PROCESS. SO THIS HAS GONE THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION. AM I CORRECT ON THAT. THIS DOES NOT GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT UNDER THE ZONING CODE. SO IF WE TOOK IT BACK TO COMMITTEE IT WOULD BE DECEMBER TIMING WHEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT AND THEN IT WOULDN'T MAKE ITS WAY BACK UNTIL LIKE NEXT YEAR. TIMING. IS THAT RIGHT? WHAT'S THE NEXT DECEMBER 1ST? YES. YES. OKAY. 
          SO IT COULD COME BACK. AND OF COURSE, THAT'S RIGHT BEFORE THE 1ST OF DECEMBER. SO YOU COULD 
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TABLE IT TO THIRD READING DATE CERTAIN FOR THE 15TH OF DECEMBER. OKAY. SO JUST TO JUST TO CLARIFY JUST A LITTLE BIT, IF THEY IF THEY ARE DOING WORK ON THAT BUILDING, THEY CAN REQUEST THAT EXEMPTION. SO THAT IS AN OPTION. BUT I THINK FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HOW THAT TEXT READS IN, IN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RESTORATION, WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHETHER IT CONTINUES FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR IF IT RESETS BACK TO ZERO. AND SO WE'RE OKAY EITHER WAY. BUT IF IT IF IT CONTINUES, THEY CAN ASK FOR THAT EXEMPTION AND SHOW THAT THEY ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON THE BUILDING. AND WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I GUESS MY MY THOUGHT IS IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE INVESTING, START OVER. IF YOU'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS, I WOULD BE ASKING FOR FOR AN EXEMPTION. AND WE WANT TO SEE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE UPTOWN AND IN THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE VACANT AS WELL WITH WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, JUST TO ENCOURAGE THAT ECONOMIC GROWTH. NUMBER TWO SAYS, RIGHT, MR. ANDREWS, TO START IT BACK AT ZERO. YES, SIR. YES. AND WE DO HAVE THE TEXT ON THE NEXT SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHAT THAT WOULD BE. SO WE WOULD JUST ADD THAT SENTENCE IN GREEN AT THE BOTTOM. SO IF I JUST MAY MR. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT GUARDRAILS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          PUBLIC SERVICE FEES AND STUFF. AND IT JUST DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WHAT MAYBE THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT OR SOME SOME THERE'S SOME PARAMETERS THAT ARE IN PLACE IN ORDER TO RESET THE CLOCK AT ZERO. COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN BOARD TO I JUST WANT I THINK THE THE KIND OF THE GAME OF SWITCHING IT BACK BETWEEN LLCS WAS I THINK THE QUESTION WAS HOW CAN WE POTENTIALLY ADD GUARDRAILS TO AVOID PEOPLE KIND OF PLAYING INTO A LOOPHOLE OR PLAYING THE LOOPHOLE IN THEIR FAVOR TO, TO, YOU KNOW, AVOID PAYING FEES, BUT KIND OF LIVE WITH THE THE VACANCY CONTINUOUS LEFT POCKET, SAME GENES. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. I DO YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS IS AND MAYBE, MAYBE WE ALREADY HANDLE THIS, BUT PEOPLE WHO DO WORK ON IT FOR LIKE 6 OR 7 MONTHS, AND THEN THEY STOP DOING WORK ON IT, LIKE HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT TYPE OF SITUATION? THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT ON OUR END BECAUSE ONCE THEY START THAT WORK, IF IT'S SUBJECT TO THE PLAN, APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON THAT PERMIT AS LONG AS THEY'RE DOING WORK, HAVING IT INSPECTED, YOU KNOW, THERE CAN BE A ONE MONTH PERIOD BETWEEN INSPECTIONS, OR THERE COULD BE A SIX MONTH. YEAH, BUT AS LONG AS THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD, THAT DOESN'T EXPIRE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH POLICY WISE WITH, WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS WELL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF I KIND OF SEE HOW SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY DO THAT AS WELL, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO OWN A LOT OF RENTAL PROPERTIES. THEY JUMP FROM ONE TO THE OTHER TO THE OTHER, AND THAT'S HOW THEY KEEP THEM FROM PAYING INTO IT AS WELL. I MEAN, IT'S A GAME THAT GETS PLAYED A LOT, SO THAT NEEDS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION IS TO NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO SIT ON VACANT, VACANT STRUCTURES ANYMORE AND LET THEM FALL DOWN. AND THEN WE AS A TAXPAYER HAVE TO CLEAN THEM UP AND GET RID OF THEM. AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN VACANT SINCE I'VE BEEN A KID THAT PEOPLE USE AS STORAGE, AND THERE'S NO ONE LIVING IN THEM, AND THEY BECOME A NUISANCE TO THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORS. SO WE ARE TRYING TO CLEAN UP THIS CODE, WHICH THESE ALL OF THESE POINTS ARE VALID. SO IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO BRING THEM BACK TO, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE THAT HAPPEN. YEAH. UNLESS WE CAN ADDRESS THE CONCERNS TONIGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IF WE ADDED AN IF CLAUSE. SO YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS SENTENCE, IF THE PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN TRANSFERRED WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. SO IF IT'S LIKE YOU WOULDN'T IF IT'S SELLING EVERY EVERY YEAR, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE SUBJECT LIKE YOU WOULD. THIS WOULDN'T APPLY IF THAT MAKES SENSE. LIKE. SO THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO. YOU HAVE TO IF YOU BOUGHT IT, YOU'D HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT FOR FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU MAKE A NEW LLC AND TRANSFER IT. THAT MAKES SENSE. IT COULD BE ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS, WHATEVER THAT CASE MAY BE. OTHER THOUGHTS, THAT IS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SECURITY. THE FIRST YEAR WE WILL JUST PICK UP WHATEVER YEAR IT'S BEEN VACANT. BUT MAYBE JUST ADD ADD JUST AN AUTOMATIC, JUST A SIX MONTH GRACE PERIOD. AFTER THE TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY IN THE STATE. SO IF 
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THE YEAR ANNIVERSARY COMES UP AND 90 DAYS, IT WOULD BE SIX MONTHS PLUS 90 DAYS. THAT GIVES US SOME TIME. YEAH, I THINK THAT I JUST WANT TO AS I LOOK AT THE THE FEES. RIGHT. YEAR ONE IS X AND YEAR THREE FOUR IS Y. AND EVERY AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YEARS IN BETWEEN. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN GOOD FAITH I'D LIKE TO OPERATE IN GOOD FAITH, THINKING THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING INVESTMENTS IN WHETHER IT'S A, YOU KNOW, HOME OR A COMMERCIAL FACILITY, I THINK THEY'RE MAKING THOSE INVESTMENTS IN GOOD FAITH. LIKE, I DON'T LIKE JUST THROWING MONEY AWAY. AND I LIKE TO THINK THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE JUST THROWING MONEY AWAY. SO IF I'M GOING TO INVEST, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT UPFRONT. AND I, I LIKE PERSONALLY THIS LANGUAGE. 
          BECAUSE IT GIVES THAT NEW OWNER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. I'M NOT SAYING WHETHER WHETHER WHETHER YOU KNOW HIS I MEAN, YOUR STATEMENT SEEMS FAIR. WE ALSO HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE THE MAJORITY OF SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS BEING BOUGHT UP AND BEING BOUGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IS BLACKWATER AND LLCS, AND WHICH IS WHAT'S CAUSING PEOPLE TO THE INFLUX AND PROPERTY PROPERTY VALUES. IT'S A LARGER TOPIC THAN WHAT THIS COUNCIL CAN SOLVE. IT'S A FEDERAL FEDERAL TOPIC. BUT YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE TOO. SO YES, I AGREE WITH YOU IN GOOD FAITH. IF SOME PERSON HAS THE MONEY TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, DOING IT. BUT RIGHT NOW LLCS ARE BUYING UP THE MAJORITY OF SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS IN AMERICA. SO THAT'S ANOTHER JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO BE THINKING ABOUT. WE'RE LOSING HOMEOWNERSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY AND ITS PRESIDENT. YEAH. JUST IN THE ISSUE OF TIME, I THINK THERE'S STILL A COUPLE COMPETING IDEAS AND AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE STILL WORKED OUT. I'M GOING TO ASK THE COMMITTEE TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS. AND I MOVED TO TABLE THIS TO DECEMBER 15TH. OKAY. 20 A SECOND FOR THAT. DO WE NEED A SECOND FOR THAT? YEAH. NO. YEAH. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, HAVING WORKED THROUGH THIS, I THINK A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THESE FEES. AND PART OF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF IS INCURRING TIME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OUR FEES ARE NOT APPROPRIATELY STRUCTURED. AND SO I THINK REALLY IT'S A PROBABLY SOME MINOR WORDING THAT OUR LARGE LAW DIRECTOR COULD HELP US WITH. TO I THINK THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE FIRST REGARDING WHETHER YOU WANT TO START THE CLOCK OVER OR THE NEW ONE PICKS UP THE WORK WITH YOU EVERY YEAR HE GETS THE PROPERTY. I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. THEN AFTER THAT WE CAN WORK ON THE WORDING. WE'RE PRETTY MUCH DONE. IT'S MORE OF A POLICY QUESTION. AND I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, AND I KNOW THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO IT THIS WAY, WHERE IT REVERTS BACK TO YEAR ONE AND IT CAN ALWAYS BE AMENDED, I MEAN, DO IT FOR A YEAR, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITTEE AGENDA IN A YEAR TO SEE IF IT'S BEING ABUSED. IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING ABUSED, THEN THEN WE CAN FIX IT. BUT IF YOU IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET THINGS WRAPPED UP TONIGHT, MAYBE THAT'S A SOLUTION. MR. ANDREW. YES. I JUST THINK THERE'S LIKE I'M HEARING TWO COMPETING THINGS, LIKE ONE IS THE IDEA OF THE TRANSFER. HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? HOW DO WE PREVENT SOMEBODY JUST FLIPPING IT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN TWO LLCS? AND THEN THE OTHER IDEA, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT ALWAYS BE RELATED TO A NEW OWNER, MIGHT BE THAT PERSON UPTOWN WHO IS WANTING TO RENOVATE THEIR BUILDING. AND WE'VE GOT THESE FEES THAT, I MEAN, THE PROJECT MIGHT TAKE THEM TWO YEARS AND OR THREE YEARS, AND THEY RUN INTO A DELAY AND AND IT JUST KEEPS ADDING UP. SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED THAT SOMETIMES CAN BE RELATED BUT AREN'T NECESSARILY. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE 
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COMMITTEE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. MR. ANDREWS, COULD YOU FLIP BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE LIKE THE FIRST? YEAH. THE ORIGINAL. BASED ON. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE VERSUS WHAT COUNCILMAN BORDNER HAD SUGGESTED HE LIKES IS THE ONE IS THAT THIS PICKS IT UP AT THE TIME, HOWEVER LONG IT'S BEEN VACANT, THE OTHER ONE KIND OF RESETS IT BACK TO A YEAR. I CAN STILL SEE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE SHIFTING OF THE PROPERTY BACK AND FORTH TO STILL BE THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESOLVE THAT. YEAH, AND JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, IT'S DOUBLE. IT'S GOING TO COST THE PERSON. OH YEAH I MEAN DOUBLE. AND WE I'M TRYING TO LIKE WE, WE WANT PEOPLE TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY. YET WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THEIR MONEY TO BENEFITING OUR COMMUNITY. IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM DO I DISAGREE WITH THAT. WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE A WILLINGNESS TO INVEST IN WHATEVER IT MAY BE AND IMPROVE IT. I'M TRYING TO BALANCE THAT WITH CONSIDERATION OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD ABUSE A LOOPHOLE. THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT THAT I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH. THEN. THEN I WOULD GENERALLY CONCUR WITH MR. REAMS THAT WE NEED TO WORK OUT THE FINER DETAILS BEFORE WE CONSIDER THE PATH FORWARD. I JUST CLARIFY, MR. ANDREWS. SO MARK HAD MENTIONED LIKE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE IS THE RESET AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE STOP START. CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY? BECAUSE I THINK FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU, THE STOP START, IF THEY'RE UNDER AN ACTIVE PERMIT, THEY THERE WILL THERE CAN BE SOME STOP START THAT WE CANNOT ADDRESS IN THIS LEGISLATION. IS THAT CORRECT. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE HAVE TWO THINGS. YEAH. THAT'S KIND OF SEPARATE. I THINK THAT WAS MORE TO PRESIDENT BERGER'S QUESTIONS ABOUT IF THEY GET PERMITS, AND THEN THEY CAN JUST DO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK AT A TIME THAT'S THAT'S ADMINISTERED THROUGH THE COUNTY. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING LIKE POLICY WISE, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IF, YES, THEY HAVE ACTIVE PERMITS. 
          YES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON IT. THEY DON'T HAVE LONG DELAYS. THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD WORK WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER. BUT IF THEY'RE WAITING EIGHT MONTHS THEY PUT A NEW WINDOW IN. 
          THEY WAIT 810 MONTHS. THEY PUT ANOTHER WINDOW IN. THEY'RE NOT REALLY DOING SUBSTANTIAL WORK. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE THAT CALL. AND COULD WE DO SOMETHING? I MEAN, I, I THINK THERE SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE WE WANT TO HAVE INCENTIVES FOR PEOPLE TO INVEST, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOOPHOLES. I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE HERE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND SO COULD WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE IF IT'S PURCHASED, IT STARTS BACK TO, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS BACK TO THE BEGINNING. BUT IF THAT NEW OWNER DOESN'T MAKE PROGRESS, THEN IT REVERTS BACK TO WHAT IT NORMALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN. IF YOU SEE ABUSE, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A SIMPLE WAY TO FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I DON'T KNOW, TIM. YEAH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. GIVE HIM A PERIOD OF TIME. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE I MEAN, THERE'S LET'S BE HONEST, THERE'S A FEW BUILDINGS UPTOWN THAT ARE COMPLETELY VACANT THAT THIS IS THIS IS THE ABUSE THAT'S THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. AND THE WHOLE DIFFICULT ADMINISTRATIVELY, THOUGH, IT'S A LITTLE CUMBERSOME. YEAH. WE THINK THE MOTION IS APPROPRIATE TO TABLE. 
          OKAY. THOSE ARE SO HE HAS A MOTION TO TABLE TO TABLE TO DATE CERTAIN. SO THERE'S A MOTION SO EMOTION. THIS HAS BEEN TABLED UNTIL DATE CERTAIN OF DECEMBER 15TH A MOTION MOTION. YEAH I KNOW. SO AFTER ROLL CALL. I WAS JUST STATING THE MOTION OKAY. ROLL CALL MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURBY. YES. MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. 
          MISS KRAMER. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS TABLED UNTIL DECEMBER 15TH, AND THIS WILL BE ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE COMMITTEE AGENDA ON DECEMBER 1ST. THANK YOU. ORDINANCE C, SECOND 
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READING, PUBLIC HEARING AND VOTE TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT TO CREATE THE MARYSVILLE JEROME TOWNSHIP JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AUTHORIZING THE INCLUSION OF CERTAIN ADDITIONAL PROPERTY WITHIN SAID DISTRICT, KNOWN AS THE EXPANSION AMENDMENT, AND TO REPEAL ORDINANCE 20 2025. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. 
          CITIZENS. COUNCIL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. 
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YES. MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS. KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. 
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YES. SEVEN. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE D. SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1123.29 OPEN SPACE REGULATIONS ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS. COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE 
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ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. ORDINANCE E SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1107 .18 AND SECTION 1107 .19 RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE AND. SR. BIRD R, D, HMD, UT, USF ADMINISTRATION. YES, I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT FOR THIS. YEAH, JUST ONE QUICK ITEM ON THIS ONE. IN THE LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE POTENTIAL LIMITATION OF THE THREE BAY GARAGES COULD BE PROHIBITIVE FOR THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT JUST TO REMOVE THAT DISTRICT FROM THAT LIST SO WE COULD MAINTAIN SR, VR, HMD, UT, AND USF. JUST SINCE THOSE ARE ONE ACRE LOTS, A LOT LARGER. OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT FROM THAT DISTRICT. BECAUSE ARE YOU THINKING FOR LIKE LARGER FARM EQUIPMENT OR FARM EQUIPMENT? IT COULD BE SOMEONE WHO HAS ADDITIONAL CARS. IT COULD BE SOMEONE WITH A LARGER POOL BARN TYPE OF STRUCTURE ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT HAS MORE THAN THREE BAYS. SO I THINK YOU COULD GET A VARIETY OF OF SITUATIONS ON THOSE LARGER PARCELS. OKAY. I HAVE QUESTIONS. MISS. THE YOU SAID ONE ACRE LOTS. THAT'S THE MINIMUM FOR ARD. IS THAT RIGHT? WHAT'S THE MAX ISH? DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE TEND TO SEE THE RANGE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAX WOULD BE, BUT THAT MINIMUM IS A ONE ACRE MORE THAN ONE ACRE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY. ANYBODY WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT? I WILL SAY THAT IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION, THAT WAS THE ONE DISTRICT THAT I HAD QUESTIONED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS APPROPRIATE AND I HAD I THINK I'D ASKED I DON'T KNOW IF PLANNING COMMISSION HAD DISCUSSED THAT POINT. IT MAY. THERE WAS A LOT ON THAT AGENDA THAT NIGHT. SO IT'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT THEY COULD HAVE OVERLOOKED THAT. BUT ARD IS A UNIQUE DISTRICT, AND I THINK THAT WHENEVER YOU BLANKET APPLY CERTAIN TYPES OF ZONING, YOU NEED TO FOR FOR RESIDENTIAL SPECIFICALLY, YOU NEED TO GIVE THAT UNIQUE CONSIDERATION. OKAY. 
          JUST JUST REMIND ME. I'M SORRY. THIS IS THIS CHANGE PROHIBITS THE THE THIRD BAY ON OR IS IT THE. THIRD BAY THAT FACES THE THE THIRD BAY THAT FACES THE ROAD? SO IF IT IS A BAY. THAT'S SIDE LOADED, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ONE THAT FACES THE ROAD THAT'S PERMITTED. OKAY. YEAH. 
          IT SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN THREE BAYS SHALL BE PERMITTED TO FACE ANY STREET. OKAY. UNLESS IT'S A REAR LOADED PRODUCT. SO IF IT'S AN ALLEY LOADED PRODUCT. BUT AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IT'S, IT'S LIKELY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A HOME WITH A FOUR CAR ATTACHED GARAGE FACING A STREET IN ARD. IT'S LIKELY TO BE JUST WHAT YOU HAD DESCRIBED, WHICH IS A BARN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LIMITING THE ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR HAVING FOUR DOORS ON THERE IF TO FACE THE SAME DIRECTION ON THAT BARN. I COULD SEE IT CAUSING MAYBE HARDSHIP FOR THE ARD SOMEONE TO MAP OUT THEIR LOT. BUT I THINK FOR EVERY OTHER RESIDENTIAL TYPE DISTRICT, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S MY OPINION. ANYBODY ELSE? SO THEN IS THERE? SO DO YOU WANT TO DO A MOTION? MOTION NOW AND CHANGE? CHANGE IT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND TO EXCLUDE ARD AS PART OF THE DISTRICT TO WHICH THIS WOULD APPLY. OKAY. AND ROLL CALL MR. 
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BURBY. YES, MR. BURGER? YES. MR. HUNTER? YES. MR. REAMES. YES. MISS CRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. SEVEN. YES. LEGISLATION IS AMENDED. OKAY. SO NOW IT'S IN SECOND. SO RIGHT. IS THERE ANY LEGISLATION AS AMENDED? YEAH IT IS. ANY RESIDENTS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS TOPIC. WHICH ONE OF THESE IS BESIDE THE GARAGE. WHICH ONE OF THESE IS THE GARAGE ORDINANCE E. E OKAY. SO IT'S TOO BAD YOU DON'T HAVE THE LITTLE THING UP THERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WE'RE DEALING WITH. OH, THE LITTLE DRAWINGS. KATHY YOUNG, 425 WEST EIGHTH. SO THE SIDE LOAD GARAGES, YOU'RE SAYING 20% HAS TO BE SIDE OR REAR GARAGES. 
          CORRECT. WHAT LOT SIZE IS THAT AGAIN? THAT IS ACTUALLY THE NEXT AMENDMENT. SO THAT WOULD BE LET ME SEE HERE. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOU THE CORRECT AMENDMENT. SO THIS IS THE QUANTITY THE QUANTITY OF GARAGE BAYS REAR LOADING LOT REQUIREMENTS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN OKAY. SO THAT'LL BE G LETTER G. YES. ALL RIGHT IT'S OKAY. OKAY. SO F AS WELL KATHY IF YOU WANT F AS WELL OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE. THIS WOULD BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH 2025. ORDINANCE F SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A 
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ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE 1105 .09 RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION LOT VARIABILITY. ADMINISTRATION. CITIZENS. SO THAT LOT SIZE THERE IS NO. THESE WOULD BE FOR PARCELS OF 20 ACRES OR GREATER. SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO REAR SIDE LOADED FOR AT LEAST 20% OF THE GARAGES ON SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. OKAY, SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 50 FOOT LOT OR A 60 FOOT LOT, THOSE WOULD THEN BE REAR LOADED REQUIRED. OKAY. SO THEN WE'RE TALKING ALLEYS, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO MY POINT IS IF WE'RE DOING LIKE A 50 OR A 60, BY THE WAY KATHY YOUNG FOR 25 WEST EIGHTH. IF WE'RE DOING REAR LOAD, IT'S GOING TO ADD 25% TO THE BUILDING COST TO DO AN ALLEYWAY IN THE BACK. NOW DONALD, YOU JUST SAID, LET ME QUOTE YOU, WE ARE LOSING HOME OWNERSHIP. THE MEDIAN HOUSE PRICE IS OVER $450,000 IN UNION COUNTY RIGHT NOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS REAR LOAD IS GOING TO DO TO THE HOUSING PRICES? SO JUST THINK OF THAT FOR A MINUTE BEFORE YOU GUYS DECIDE THAT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. NOW, I DON'T MIND MY REAR ALLEY OVER ON WEST EIGHTH. I LIKE IT, BUT IF WE'RE ADDING 25% TO THE COST OF A HOUSE, PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY HOUSES HERE. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN TO BUY THEM UP FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES. $450,000. THAT'S CRAZY. I WOULD NEVER EVEN CONSIDER PAYING $450,000 FOR A HOUSE. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE VOTING ON THIS. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. ON THE 25%, IS THAT 25% TO THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GOES INTO THE LOT, OR OF THE TOTAL PRICE OF THE HOUSE? MARK? I TRY NOT TO BUILD HOUSES FROM THE GROUND UP. I JUST GOT THIS FROM A BUILDER. OKAY, OKAY. SO YEAH, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ON THAT. I KNOW IT'S A LOT EITHER WAY, BUT. AND HE'S OTHER CITIZENS. ORDINANCE G. I'M SORRY THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD. WELL DOES ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAVE HAVE ANY COMMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC HEARING NONE. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON 
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NOVEMBER 24TH 2025. ORDINANCE G SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE 
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AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 11 07.1 FOR LOTS. SECTION 1121 .07 THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .10 VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .12 HOSPITAL. MIXED USE DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .20 UPTOWN. SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND SECTION 1121 .21 UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS. 
          COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. ORDINANCE 
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H SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1107 .19 RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE AND PSD VRD, ARD, HMD, UT, USF SECTION 1125 .04 LANDSCAPE PLAN REQUIREMENTS. SECTION 1125 .06 MINIMUM LANDSCAPE STANDARDS AND SECTION 1125 .08 INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE ADMINISTRATION. I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO TALK ABOUT HERE AS WELL, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, WE DO ON THIS ONE. SO AFTER OUR LAST DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CONCERN ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF TREES PER PARCEL ON NEW DEVELOPMENTS, WE WENT BACK, DID A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH. WE TALKED TO CLARION AND EVALUATED KIND OF THE TREE TREE CANOPY REQUIREMENT AND DIFFERENT LOT SIZES. SO JEFF WITH CLARION IS GOING TO PRESENT WHAT OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT. 
          THANK YOU JEFF GREEN FROM CLARION ASSOCIATES. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK. LET'S SEE. 
          TRY UNPLUGGING AND PLUGGING BACK IN. AGAIN. THIS. IT WORKED BRIEFLY. 
          SHOWING THERE BUT NOT UP HERE. NO. OH. WE CAN TRY MINE AND SEE IF THAT WORKS AT ALL. OKAY. 
          LET'S SEE HERE. THERE WE GO. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO WHEN WE PRESENTED AT FIRST READING, THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION HAD TWO PROVISIONS. FIRST HAD TO DO WITH SOME FOUNDATION LANDSCAPING. THAT IS UNCHANGED. IT STILL REQUIRES FOUNDATION LANDSCAPING ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE AND THEN EXTENDING ALONG THE SIDES BACK TEN FEET. 
          BUT THERE WAS ALSO A REQUIREMENT FOR TREE PLANTING. AND BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, WE'VE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT REVISIONS TO THAT PROVISION. SO LET ME QUICKLY SHOW YOU. SO THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT FIRST READING. SO IN ADDITION TO STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS THE REQUIREMENT FOR PLANTING OF NEW TREES. SO THE TREES NEEDED TO BE AT LEAST TWO INCHES IN CALIPER INSTALLATION ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND YOU NEEDED TO PLANT BETWEEN 1 AND 3 TREES BASED ON THE WIDTH OF THE LOT. ONE TREE IF IT'S LESS THAN 60FT IN WIDTH, TWO TREES BETWEEN 60 AND 103 TREES FOR LOTS WIDER THAN 100FT. SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD FOR COUNCIL WAS THE DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY, YOU KNOW, MODESTLY INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TREE PLANTING THAT'S REQUIRED. THE CITY HAS SOME AMBITIOUS GOALS FOR ITS TREE CANOPY IN THE FUTURE, AND WANTED TO USE THIS AS ANOTHER MEANS TO TO REACH THOSE GOALS. THE SECOND WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT AS TREES WERE PLANTED, THAT THESE TREES WERE OF AN APPROPRIATE SPECIES AND AN APPROPRIATE SIZE TO PROVIDE THE CANOPY THAT THE CITY WANTS. SO THIS IS NOT ONLY 
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THE THE SIZE OF THE TREE CANOPY, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THE SPECIES IS CORRECT. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF CANOPY. AND FINALLY, SOME OF THESE LOTS MAY VERY WELL HAVE EXISTING TREES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS WHO DO HAVE THOSE TREES HAVE A REASON TO MAINTAIN THOSE EXISTING TREES. WE WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF THE CITY'S TREE CANOPY. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO TEAR DOWN TREES FOR THE JUST SO THEY CAN SAY THEY HAVE PLANTED NEW TREES. SO WE'VE MADE A FEW ADDITIONAL A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS. WE'VE MODIFIED THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT NEED TO BE PLANTED BASED ON THE WIDTH OF THE TREE. SO WE'LL GET INTO DETAIL IN THAT IN A SECOND. BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU NEED TO PLANT THREE TREES. IF YOU HAVE A A LOT 80FT IN WIDTH OR GREATER. THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE SPECIES, THE TYPE OF TREE. BUT THERE ARE ALSO REQUIREMENTS THAT GET TO THE SIZE OF THE TREE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE URBAN FORESTER TO DEVELOP. FINALLY, WE HAVE UPDATED THE PROVISIONS TO ALLOW THE RETENTION OF EXISTING TREES TO OFFSET THAT REQUIRED PLANTING. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT MORE PROVISIONS HERE. SO WE'VE SORT OF REORGANIZED THE ENTIRE PROVISION. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LENGTHIER, BUT WE THINK A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. SO AGAIN SAME REQUIREMENT IN ADDITION TO THE STREET TREES REQUIRED IN CHAPTER 1125, TREE SHALL BE PLANTED ON EACH LOT WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING. 
          SO A ESTABLISHES THE BASIC REQUIREMENT FOR THESE TREES. SO AS BEFORE TWO INCHES CALIPER AND INSTALLATION PLANTED ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. NUMBER THREE IS NEW. THE BOLD FACED AND GREEN OF AN APPROPRIATE SIZE AND SPECIES INCLUDED ON THE CITY'S APPROVED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TREE LIST, WHICH THE CITY WILL BE DEVELOPING, OR AS APPROVED BY THE CITY'S URBAN FORESTER. AND THAT JUST PROVIDES A LITTLE ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY FOR LANDOWNERS. AND FINALLY, NUMBER FOUR, JUST TO MAKE CLEAR, IT NEEDS TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TREES ON THE LOT, THAT THEY'RE NOT TO BE PLANTED ON A TREE LINE. SECTION B ESTABLISHES THE NUMBER OF TREES REQUIRED TO BE PLANTED. SO AGAIN, IF IT'S LESS THAN 60FT, YOU'RE STILL ONLY REQUIRED TO PLANT ONE TREE, BUT IT'S REQUIRED TO BE A LARGE OR MEDIUM TREE. BASED ON THAT TREE LIST THAT THE URBAN FORESTER WILL BE ESTABLISHING BETWEEN 60 AND 80FT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ONE LARGE TREE AND THEN A SECOND TREE OF ANY SIZE. 
          FINALLY 80FT OR GREATER. SO THAT'S DOWN FROM 100. YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THREE TREES. 
          ONE IS REQUIRED TO BE A LARGE TREE, AND TWO CAN BE TREES OF ANY SIZE. LETTER C. SO AGAIN, TO ALLOW LANDOWNERS TO USE EXISTING TREES TO OFFSET THE REQUIREMENTS, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO SO. IF THE DIVISION OF ENGINEERING. APPROVES IT, EACH EXISTING TREE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST FOUR INCHES DIAMETER AT BREAST HEIGHT, THE CONDITION OF EACH TREE NEEDS TO BE FAIR OR BETTER, AS DETERMINED BY THE URBAN FORESTER, AND THERE ARE EXISTING REGULATIONS IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THE PROTECTION OF TREES DURING CONSTRUCTION, SO THOSE REGULATIONS WILL APPLY TO THE PROTECTION OF TREES ON LOTS WHERE THE EXISTING TREES ARE BEING USED TO MEET THE STANDARD. 
          AND FINALLY, IN SUBSECTION D, THERE'S A AMENDMENT TO REQUIRE THERE TO BE A SITE TREE PLANTING PLAN. AND THIS SUBSECTION D REQUIRES THAT THAT SITE TREE PLAN SHOW THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVED, THAT ARE GOING TO BE USED TO OFFSET THE TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENT. SO THOSE ARE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. MR. PRESIDENT, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THE ONE STATEMENT REGARDING UP TO THE CITY'S URBAN FORESTER, THERE'S SOME DISCRETION IN THE TEXT ON BULLET POINT NUMBER OR IT'S A THREE. SO THE ONE CONCERN AND I INVITE COMMENTS BY OUR CITY STAFF ON THIS. BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE GIVING DISCRETION. AND I WOULD JUST KIND OF WONDER IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT DISCRETION TO BE APPLIED DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON A PERSON, DEPENDING ON THEIR MOOD THAT DAY. HOW COULD THAT BE CONSISTENTLY APPLIED AND ENSURED? I LIKE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HIGHLIGHTED IT ADDS FLEXIBILITY, BUT HOW DO YOU KIND OF I MEAN, DO WE HAVE SOME DO WE HAVE OTHER TEXT THAT SAYS OR APPROVED BY THIS PERSON? YEAH, WE DO HAVE THAT IN THE ZONING CODE. BUT OUR THOUGHT WAS WE WILL WE WILL HAVE A TREE LIST THAT SOMEONE CAN SELECT FROM. BUT IF THERE'S A CERTAIN VARIETY ON THAT TREE LIST THAT THIS PERSON WANTS ON THEIR 
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PARCEL, AS LONG AS THEY SHARE IT WITH US, WE'LL PASS IT ON TO ANDY TO REVIEW THAT. AND IF HE DETERMINES THAT THAT IS A NONINVASIVE TREE AND IT FITS WITHIN THE SIZE OF A MEDIUM TREE OR A LARGE TREE, WE COULD APPROVE THAT IF IT'S NOT ON THAT LIST. SO JUST ALLOWING A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER. YEAH, I JUST I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS UNIQUE, IF IT WOULD BE THE FIRST EVER WHERE WE SAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH NO, WE DO THAT FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS, WHETHER IT'S THE URBAN FORESTER OR IT'S THE DIVISION OF ENGINEERING OR PLANNING AND ZONING. SO OKAY, AND THEN JUST A SECOND COMMENT. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE A DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, PLANT ALL THESE TREES. AND I THINK MY TAKEAWAY FROM A WORK SESSION MEETING WE HAD A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO. AND THEN FINALLY WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO US FROM OUR CITY'S URBAN FOREST, FIRST FORESTER WAS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPARABLES, WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER. WE'RE WAY BEHIND. SO IT'S IT'S NOT JUST WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE OUR CITY GREEN AS GREEN AS CAN BE. IT'S LIKE WE'RE SO FAR BEHIND COMPARED TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES. IT'S LIKE WE BUILT A BUNCH OF HOMES ON CORNFIELDS, WHICH KIND OF WE DID, YOU KNOW? SO WE'RE JUST IN A DIFFERENT PLACE THAN A LOT OF CITIES ARE. 
          SO JUST WANT TO ADD SOME CLARIFICATION TO THAT. NO, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I MEAN, RESIDENTS HAVE ALWAYS HAS ALWAYS STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, TREES ARE BEING CUT DOWN AND WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. AND THE ONLY WAY YOU PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF YOUR COMMUNITY IS YOU PUT IT IN LEGISLATION AND YOU PUT IT IN ZONING. AND BUT THE REALITY IS, EVERY TIME YOU PUT SOMETHING IN ZONING, PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BE LIKE SO AND SO COMMUNITY. BUT WHEN YOU PASS AN URBAN CANOPY STUDY THAT PROVES STATISTICALLY THAT THIS COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TREES, THEN YOU HAVE TEETH TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO START DOING MORE THAN WHAT YOU'VE CURRENTLY DONE. NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S PAINSTAKINGLY SLOW, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS STARTED BEFORE COVID, BUT WE FINALLY GOT IT PASSED. AND THIS IS ONE INITIATIVE TO GETTING SOMETHING IN PLACE TO SAY THAT WE UNDERSTAND WE NEED MORE TREES, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO HELP US GET MORE TREES PLANTED. THE THE ONE, THE ONE THING I, THE ONE THING I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, SAY ABOUT LOTS THAT HAVE EXISTING TREES ON THEM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT. AND I UNDERSTAND THE POINT. BUT WHEN YOU BUILD A HOME AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE CITY FORESTER, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, AND BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE, THERE'S STEPS THAT MIGHT BE SKIPPED JUST BECAUSE OF THE WORKLOAD OF ONE EMPLOYEE DOING EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S DEVELOPMENT GOING ON. 
          SO MY FEAR WOULD BE IF WE ARE SAYING TO A DEVELOPER, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLANT THIS MANY TREES BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS WOODED LOT AND THEN THEY'RE BUILDING HOUSES. AND THEN OVER A FIVE YEAR PLAN, FIVE YEAR SPAN AFTER THE HOMES ARE BUILT, BECAUSE WE SEE IT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME, WHERE THE OLDER TREES START DYING AROUND THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE SOIL HAS BEEN MOVED AND THE ROOTS HAVE BEEN CUT. SO IF THE CITY STAFF WILL SAY, WELL, YEAH, YOU HAVE YOU, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE 100 TREES ON YOUR LOT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLANT ANY TREES. 
          BUT THEN AFTER, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AND YOU SEE THIS IN GREEN PASTURES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU SEE IT IN LEGION PARK. WHEN THE CITY REDID ALL LEGION PARK, THE CANOPY OF LEGION PARK ON THE ONE SIDE, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION WAS DONE. THE CANOPY IS SADLY DYING NOW BECAUSE THEY DISTURBED ALL THOSE 400 YEAR OLD OAK TREES. SO YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THAT, THEN. SO IT'S EASY FOR A DEVELOPER TO SAY, WELL, I'M SAVING THESE TREES. BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS IN FIVE YEARS WHEN THERE'S LESS OF THOSE AMOUNT OF TREES THAN THERE ARE? SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS IF YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THOSE TREES ON THOSE LOTS, PLANT THEM IN COMMON AREAS, DON'T JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T JUST SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT MONEY IN THIS SECTION. JUST PLANT THOSE TREES IN OTHER AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE NECESSARILY NEEDED FOR FUTURE CANOPY TO MAKE UP FOR THE ONES THAT MIGHT BE DYING AFTER A HOME IS BUILT OR, OR ANYTHING COULD BE BUILT. SO AND IT ALSO SAVES TAXPAYER MONEY ENSURING THAT, YOU KNOW, NEW DEVELOPMENT IS PAYING FOR ITSELF. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS? I HAD A QUESTION LAST WEEK. I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF OF MAINTAINING THIS. ONCE A A PROPERTY IS BUILT. AND I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT IS COULD WE REQUIRE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THE HOA ADOPT LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NO LESS STRINGENT THAN THIS? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT GIVES US ANOTHER TOOL FOR MANAGING IT. I MEAN, WE COULD, I GUESS IF IT'S A PUD, WE PROBABLY CAN NEGOTIATE THAT INTO THE TERMS OF THE 
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DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SO EASY TO DO WITH STRAIGHT ZONING. WE'D HAVE TO MAKE A LOT OF AMENDMENTS. I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF ENFORCING THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE REGULATIONS THAT ARE PLACED IN THE HOA GUIDELINES, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IN THE HOA COULD. YES, THE HOA COULD, BUT WE WOULD HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHETHER THE HOA ENFORCED IT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER TOOL THAT COULD HELP IN SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO. I MEAN, WE COULD HERE. WE CAN STILL DO THAT. 
          ASIDE FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN THESE AMENDMENTS. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, WE COULD COULD WE BRING THAT UP AT THE NEXT PUBLIC SERVICE AND SAFETY MEETING? YEAH. TO ADOPT THESE AS MINIMUM. SO I'M SORRY. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE ARE YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT IN ADDITION TO THESE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU, YOU WOULD WANT TO YOU WOULD WANT TO. ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT THE HOA HAS TO MEET THAT THERE HAS THAT, THAT THE HOA OF ANY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT HAS TO TREE PLANTING GUIDELINES. RIGHT. 
          WELL, NO, I'M ASKING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE INTO OUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY ADOPT THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, NOT JUST THE TREES, BUT THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS INTO THEIR INTO THEIR HOA LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. WE PROBABLY COULD I NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. WE PROBABLY COULD. IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO DO WITH A PUD, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND OUR OUR REGULATIONS IN EACH ZONING DISTRICT TO ADDRESS THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THIS? I THINK. SO, YES. AND I THINK YOU ALWAYS YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE ONCE WE CAN IF AN H. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK I THINK WE CAN BRING THAT UP AT THE NEXT OR MAYBE AT A PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING AND TALK ABOUT THAT OR PLANNING, OR WE CAN HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSS DISCUSS IT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN, BECAUSE I KNOW NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY PROVIDE THE HOA RULES TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON A REGULAR ZONING REQUEST. RIGHT. 
          YES. THEY PROVIDE WHOSE THEY. WELL, NOT ALWAYS I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS HERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF A LOT OF TIMES THEIR ANSWER IS TO BE DETERMINED, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY THEY KNOW WHAT COUNCIL WANTS THEM TO DO. AND BUT YOU'RE NOT YOU DON'T HAVE THE HOA RULES AND REGULATIONS IN FRONT OF YOU TO REVIEW. THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED. RIGHT. YEAH. PLANNING COMMISSION I KNOW IT'S A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN INTO, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING SPECIFIC RULES AND REGULATIONS. INDEED. I MEAN, THERE ARE DEED RESTRICTIONS BASICALLY. THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. THEY'RE COVENANTS AND DEED RESTRICTIONS. AND WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY OR ABILITY TO FORCE THOSE THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRIVATE AGREEMENT. SO THAT'S WHY. YEAH, I THINK PARTICULARLY WITH PUDS, WE GET INTO A DISCUSSION WHERE WE WANT CERTAIN THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE WIDTH OF THE OF THE OF THE MULTI-USE TRAIL WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK, I MEAN, THINGS LIKE THAT CAN BE CONTAINED AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, AND. I MEAN, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS CAN BE DISCUSSED IN A RELATIONSHIP. BUT, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE IT IN STRAIGHT ZONING. I DON'T KNOW, ASHLEY, HELP ME OUT HERE. DO WE EVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN ZONING? WE HAVEN'T. YEAH, OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. HEARING NONE. WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MAKE MAKE THAT A MOTION OF WHAT? WE JUST. SAID? QUESTION. NO. THIS ONE OR ANYBODY FOR THIS AMENDMENT. I MOVE TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED. OKAY. ROLL CALL, MR. BURGER. YES, MR. HUNTER? YES. 
          MR. REAMES. YES, MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFF YES. MR. BURBY SEVEN. YES. 
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LEGISLATION AMENDED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OR ORDINANCE I. SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING 
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TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1107 .19 RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE AND PSD VRD ARD, HMD, UT, USF SECTION 1121 .07 THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .10 VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .09 THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .12 HOSPITAL. MIXED USE DISTRICT. 
          SECTION 1121 .20 UPTOWN. SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .21 UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT AND THE APPENDIX. GLOSSARY OF TERMS. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. 
          CITIZENS. COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. 
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ORDINANCE J SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1107 .19 RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE AND PSD VRD, ARD, HMD, UT, USF SECTION 1121 .07 THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .12 VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .09 THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .12 HOSPITAL. MIXED USE DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .20 UPTOWN SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND SECTION 1121 .21 UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS. 
          COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. ORDINANCE 
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K SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1109 .12 RESERVED. CITIZENS. SORRY, ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING. CITIZENS. COUNCIL. YES, MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SINCE THIS ONE RELATES TO THE TOPIC OF TOPSOIL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPENDIX, A TOPSOIL. THERE IS NOT FULL CLARITY AS TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THAT. SO LET ME READ TO YOU WHAT APPENDIX A SAYS TOPSOIL CELL. 
          COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS. TOPSOIL SHALL BE INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING. PRIOR TO PLACING TOPSOIL, ALL FOREIGN MATERIAL AND ANY ROCK ONE INCH OR LARGER IN ANY DIMENSION SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE AREA. I THINK THAT'S A EXCELLENT POINT, AND I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN THERE. OKAY, THE THE NEXT ONE IS TOPSOIL SHALL BE PLACED IN LOOSE FITS. THAT CONSTRUCT A FOUR INCH COMPACTED DEATH DEPTH. OKAY. CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT A LOOSE LIFT IS AND THE CONSTRUCTED FOUR INCH COMPACTED DEPTH? ANYBODY IS ABLE TO. YEAH I CAN TAKE THAT. I CAN TAKE THIS ONE. SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST PLACING THE TOPSOIL DOWN AND THEN COMPACTING IT IN LAYERS TO ACHIEVE YOUR FOUR INCHES OF DEPTH. OKAY. SO THIS WOULD BE SO BASICALLY AFTER THE WHICH MOSTLY IS IN UNION COUNTY. CLAY. 
          YEAH. YOU WOULD LIKE FOUR INCHES OF TOPSOIL. AND THEN AFTER YOU COMPACTED IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR INCHES OR BEFORE YOUR COMPACTED AFTER YOU COMPACTED IS FOUR INCHES OKAY. 
          AND WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF FOUR INCHES? WE REACHED OUT TO OUR PREVIOUS PARKS AND REC SUPERINTENDENT AND ASKED HIM HIS RECOMMENDATION ON HOW THE ADAPTIVE TOPSOIL FOR SEED, AND HE HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FOUR INCHES. OKAY, SO WHEN I CHECKED WITH THE FOLKS OVER IN JEROME, THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR RULES THAT YOU COULD USE SOD ONLY AND FOUR INCHES OF SOIL IS ACTUALLY A DETRIMENT TO SOD. YEAH, BECAUSE BASICALLY SOD WOULD LIKE WOULD WOULD NEED MORE SUBSTANCE AS IT GOES DEEPER. YEAH. SO FOR SEED, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT FOUR INCHES WOULD BE 
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APPROPRIATE. BUT IF AND WHEN WE VOTED THE SITE AND THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE FOR BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE BETWEEN NOW AND TEN YEARS FROM NOW ARE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN 1000 DWELLINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT NEED SOME KIND OF GREENERY AROUND IT. 
          IS THERE A TIME NOW TO STEP FORWARD AND SAY WE BECAUSE THE FOUR INCHES IS NOT FAVORABLE FOR SOD? OKAY, IF WE WANT TO DO SEED, BUT IF NOBODY DOES SEED ANYMORE. YEAH. WHY DO WE REQUIRE FOUR INCHES. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A DETRIMENT TO PLACING SOD. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AND THAT DEVELOPERS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND ASKED TO ADDRESS THAT SITUATION. YEAH, THOSE ARE GREAT POINTS. I THINK WE CAN LOOK INTO HAVING SEPARATE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SEED AND SOD. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO PUT SEED DOWN, WE CAN REQUIRE FOUR INCHES OF TOPSOIL IF THEY WOULD PREFER TO TO PUT SOD DOWN, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT IS. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. 
          AND I WOULD DEFINITELY LOVE TO BE PART OF THAT IF I COULD. SO IN HERE WE DID MAKE THE NOTE TO POTENTIALLY WHILE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT TO MAYBE TABLE THIS. THIS BECAUSE THE NEXT MONTH WE HAVE TO MAKE A VOTE ON IT. AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT UNDUE PRESSURE ON TRYING TO GET A NUMBER OF EXPERTS TOGETHER. AND THEN WE HAVE TO REWRITE THE CODE. SO WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF WE TABLE THIS TO THE TABLE? THE THIRD READING TO DECEMBER THE 15TH? YEAH. I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. OKAY. AND IN THE MEANTIME, I SUSPECT THAT IF WE PICK THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT DO, MEETINGS SHOULD BE ADEQUATE AND THEN ENOUGH TIME TO AGAIN GET GIVE CLARITY TO THIS. YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S WRONG. IT'S JUST THAT I THINK WE NEED TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT. YEAH. I DON'T SEE ANY CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS GOOD WITH THAT APPROACH. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. OKAY. SO. AND I HAD A QUESTION AS FAR AS LIKE THE LANDSCAPE NO VOTE ON THE TABLE. THE LANDSCAPE AREAS. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE AREA THAT IT WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE TOPSOIL. SO MAYBE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL AS AS THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. YOU'RE SAYING WITHIN LIKE THE LANDSCAPE BEDS. YEAH. IF COUNCIL PREFERS TO STAY ON TRACK WITH THE KIND OF EXISTING SCHEDULE, WE CAN ALSO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT MEETING PRIOR TO THE THE THIRD READING AND PRESENT THAT AMENDMENT AT THIRD READING, IF YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S IF THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE. SO WE'RE GOOD EITHER WAY. IF WE CAN MAKE MAKE THAT ALL WORK AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. THEN LIKE I SAID IT IT ISSUES THAT THAT ARE GOING TO I THINK NEED SOME CLARIFICATION. AND ALSO SENDING US IN A DIRECTION IF IN THE FUTURE THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, LIKE OTHER CITIES, ARE GOING TO THE POINT OF SAYING THAT NO, WE REALLY NEED TO WORK WITH SOD, THEN OUR SOIL BASE NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF. OF SEED. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPE, YEAH. WHENEVER WE PLANT SOMETHING, IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL TOPSOIL. ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL EXTEND THE THE LIFE OF THE PLANTS THAT WE ARE PUTTING OUT THERE. OKAY. SO MY MY MOTION IS TO TABLE THIS UNTIL DECEMBER THE 15TH, DO YOU THINK WHAT SO WHAT CITY WHAT CITY STAFF ASKED WAS WE KEEP IT GOING AND WE MEET BEFORE THE NOVEMBER 24TH. WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. OKAY. YEAH. SO SO IT'S SO IS IT OKAY THEN IF WE DON'T TABLE IT UNTIL DECEMBER 15TH OKAY. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU IF YOU CAN PIGGYBACK AND WE CAN GET THIS TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE SAME TIME OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. SO CAN I MAKE A COMMENT FIRST I JUST WANT TO PREFACE I WON'T ARGUE WITH COUNCILMAN BURBY ON MATTERS OF 
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I THINK THIS FALLS UNDER HORTICULTURE. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND ACT LIKE I KNOW MORE THAN YOU DO HERE. I WOULD IF WE BRING THIS TO THIRD READING AND WE DON'T TABLE IT, WE COULD STILL TABLE IT AT THIRD READING IF WE'RE NOT READY. RIGHT. SO WE WE STILL HAVE THAT OPTION. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'M ONLY GUESSING THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT FOUR INCHES OF TOPSOIL DOWN, YOU'RE PROBABLY DEVELOPERS WILL PROBABLY START DOING SOD. SO IN MY OPINION I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD DO. SO I DON'T KNOW START IT LIKE MAYBE ASHLEY JUST FOR STARTER CONVERSATIONS. TWO INCHES OF TOPSOIL FOR SOD AND START THERE AND THEN WORK AND THEN WORK WITH THE WORK WITH THE TEAM TO SEE WHAT'S BEST FIT. YEAH. FROM WHAT OTHER DEVELOPED. YEAH. FROM WHAT OTHER DEVELOPED OTHER CITIES ENACT FOR FROM FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. DO WE HANDLE THE MOTION THOUGH. SO JUST MAKING THE RECORD CLEAR. THE MOTION TO TABLE AND WITHDRAW. YEAH. CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. AS LONG AS WE CAN MEET TO ANSWER THE CONCERNS, WE'RE JUST YES FOR RIGHT NOW. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. 
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ORDINANCE L SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE. SECTION 1123 .07 REQUIRED TRASH AREAS. SECTION 1133 .09 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED BUILDING TYPOLOGIES. SECTION 1133 .10 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES AND SECTION 1133 .11 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR MANUFACTURING AND OFFICE WAREHOUSING. BUILDING TYPOLOGIES. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS. 
          COUNCIL WAIT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO, WE WERE JUST ON. SO HEARING NOTHING FROM COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. ORDINANCE M SECOND READING 
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PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1125 .04 LANDSCAPE PLAN REQUIREMENTS AND SECTION 1125 .06 MINIMUM LANDSCAPE STANDARDS ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE 
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ON NOVEMBER 24TH. ORDINANCE IN SECOND READING. PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1133 .10 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR OFFICE, INSTITUTIONAL, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES REGARDING MULTI-TENANT ENTRANCE FEATURES. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH. THESE MEETINGS, THESE MEETINGS ARE PIVOTING. 
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ORDINANCE OH SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1133 .10 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES REGARDING GLASS ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. 
          CITIZENS COUNCIL. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH. ORDINANCE 
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SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1133 .10 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR OFFICE, INSTITUTIONAL, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES REGARDING PARKING SPACES. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. 
          CITIZENS COUNCIL. THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST ONES. I MEAN, I THINK THIS WOULD BE BACK FOR 
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THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH. ORDINANCE Q SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT A CAPITAL BUDGET FOR 2026. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS COUNCIL. THIS BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. ORDINANCE ARE SECOND READING 
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PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT AN ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR 2026 ADMINISTRATION NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS. COUNCIL. THIS WOULD BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 
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24TH. ORDINANCE S SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2026 ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. CITIZENS. COUNCIL THIS THIS IS ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO. TAKE. 
          TAKE BEFORE COUNCIL. OKAY. HOW TO. THAT'S WHY WE'RE ON THIS ONE. OH I'M SORRY. MY MY MY MY MY DEALS WITH THE ORDINANCE T YOU ARE CORRECT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY STATEMENTS QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? HEARING NONE. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. 
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ORDINANCE T SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND ORDINANCE ZERO 12 2025. ANNUAL COMPENSATION FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES 2026 ADMINISTRATION. YEAH. MR. PRESIDENT, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A PRESENTATION THIS EVENING ON TWO ITEMS. TWO AREAS WE'D LIKE TO DO A PRESENTATION ON HOW WE LANDED ON, PAY FOR THE NUMBER OF PAY PERIODS FOR 2026, AND ALSO HOW WE DECIDED UPON THE 4% COST OF LIVING INCREASE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES FOR 2026 AS WELL. I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. THAT CAN KIND OF STEP EVERYBODY THROUGH WHAT THE JUSTIFICATION WAS BEHIND THE 4% COLA. AND THEN THE 27TH PAY, WHY IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2026 BUDGET. 
          ALL. THESE NUMBERS CAME UP HERE. LET'S SEE IF THIS WORKS. LOOK AT THAT. ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST GOING TO PUT THIS HERE. HOPEFULLY THAT'LL WORK AS WELL. SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THE COLA AND A BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT IT AND ITS CALCULATION. AND I DO WANT TO START OFF ALSO BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS PRESENTATION MAY GO OVER A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT IS REDUNDANT FOR SOME OF YOU, MAYBE NEW, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS UP TO THIS POINT, WHILE WE KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS IN THESE AREAS, A LOT OF THOSE SPECIFIC CONCERNS HAVE NOT BEEN COMMUNICATED TO US. SO WHAT I'VE DONE HERE IS TRIED TO CREATE A PRESENTATION WHERE I GO THROUGH AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY CAN TO ANTICIPATE WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS MAY HAVE BEEN. AND IT STARTS HERE, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE HISTORY AND THE CALCULATION. BUT ALSO, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK ALL THE STAFF THAT I SEE HERE. THE HALLWAY IS FULL, THE CONFERENCE ROOM IS FULL. I SAW THE COAL FROM MY OFFICE SITTING ON THE FLOOR. I HOPE THAT SHE FOUND A SEAT. 
          THERE'S ONE NEXT TO KATHY YOUNG RIGHT HERE. THEN JUST COME IN RIGHT THERE. BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU BEING HERE. TRADITIONALLY, CITY OF MARYSVILLE HAS INCREASED WAGES YEAR TO YEAR USING A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT OR COLA. THESE INCREASES ARE EITHER NEGOTIATED IN THE UNION CONTRACTS OR, YOU KNOW, ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY, BUT AT LEAST EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THEY'VE BEEN THREE YEAR CONTRACTS OR CALCULATED ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS FOR NONUNION DEPARTMENTS. WHILE THE UNION'S COLA IS OFTEN SEEN AS A REFERENCE, THE ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT SET THE COLA FIRST FOR NONUNION EMPLOYEES AND THEN BUILD THE BUDGET AROUND IT. WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS WE CONSIDER MULTIPLE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET BEFORE WE SAY TO OURSELVES, YES, THIS IS THE COLA WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, AND THIS IS THE COLA WE CAN DO. SO THOSE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER RIGHT OFF THE TOP CAPITAL PROJECTS, MAKING SURE WE MAINTAIN OUR SERVICE LEVELS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, STAFFING LEVELS OF COURSE, AND OPERATIONAL COST INCREASES, MUCH LIKE WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS BUDGET, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, SECURITY OF OUR NETWORKS AND SO FORTH, THOSE ARE OUR PRIORITY CONSIDERATIONS. BUT AFTER THOSE AMOUNTS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BY STAFF, AND WE AS AN ADMINISTRATION HAVE A HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE MAJOR COSTS ARE GOING TO BE, WE CAN COME BACK TO THE COLA AND THE THINGS THAT WE USE HERE ARE, OF COURSE, THE INFLATION RATE, WHICH IS THE CHANGES IN CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. WAGE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE REGION, INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US BY OUR COMPARABLE CITIES OR DATA 
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REPOSITORIES LIKE MAUZY. AND FINALLY, OF COURSE, THE COLA NEGOTIATED IN THE UNION CONTRACTS. THESE FACTORS AND THEIR SPECIFIC IMPACTS WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW, THESE ARE THE FACTORS THAT GO INTO IT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE 27TH PAY. AND I WILL ADMIT IT'S TAKEN ME A WHILE. AND BY A WHILE I MEAN MULTIPLE YEARS TO COME UP WITH A PRESENTATION I BELIEVE REFINES SPECIFICALLY HOW THE 27TH PAY OCCURS AND HOW IT PLAYS A ROLE IN WHAT WE DO HERE AT THE CITY. AND I DO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PARTICULARLY THANK TIM FOR HIS HELP IN HELPING ME CRAFT THIS PRESENTATION. VERY HELPFUL. SO EVERY 10 TO 11 YEARS, A BIWEEKLY PAY SCHEDULE WILL RESULT IN A FISCAL YEAR. THERE ARE 27 PAY DAYS AS OPPOSED TO NORMAL 26 BIWEEKLY PAY DATES. 
          AND THEY'RE SHIFTING OVER THE YEARS IS BECAUSE 26 PAY DATES TIMES 14 DAYS EQUALS 364. THAT LEAVES ONE DAY, TWO IN LEAP YEARS, THAT MOVE PAYDAYS UP. SO IN OTHER WORDS, AND YOU'LL SEE IT HERE, HAVE A PAY DAY ON JANUARY 15TH IN ONE YEAR. THE NEXT YEAR WILL BE JANUARY 14TH. 
          UNLESS IT'S A LEAP YEAR, THEN IT WOULD GO DOWN TWO. THIS SHIFT CONTINUES UNTIL SUCH A TIME THAT WHAT HAD BEEN THE FIRST PAY IN JANUARY FOR ALL THOSE PREVIOUS YEARS MOVES INTO DECEMBER, CREATING A THREE PAY DAY MONTH IN DECEMBER. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ON BIWEEKLY SCHEDULES, WE ALWAYS HAVE TWO MONTHS THAT ARE THREE PAY DAY MONTHS, BUT IN A 27TH YEAR WE HAVE THREE OF THOSE MONTHS AND THAT THIRD MONTH IS ALWAYS DECEMBER. SO HERE I'M TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE IT, AND I TOOK A WIDE VIEW OF IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE HOW THE X'S MOVE. THESE ARE THE PAY DATES FROM JANUARY AND 2024, 2025 AND 2026. 2024 WAS A LEAP YEAR, SO THE PAY DAY MOVED UP FROM THE 19TH TO THE 17TH AGAIN BECAUSE THERE WERE 366 DAYS IN THAT YEAR, AND A TWO BIWEEKLY PAY SCHEDULE COVERS 364 OF THEM. SO THE DAYS MOVE UP. NOW, I WANT TO STOP HERE. JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT NO ONE GETS PAID FOR THAT DAY. OF COURSE THEY GET PAID FOR THE DAY. BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT A BIWEEKLY PAY SCHEDULE RESULTS IN A SHIFTING OF DAYS, AND FRANKLY, NOT REALLY ALL THAT DIFFERENT THAN HOLIDAYS LIKE TOMORROW, VETERAN'S DAY, WHERE IT MOVES WITH THE CALENDAR BECAUSE THE DAYS MOVE. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS IN JANUARY OF 2020, LET'S SEE HERE IT'S FIVE AND THEN SIX. 
          YEAH. SO FRIDAY JANUARY 2ND YOU CAN SEE HOW THOSE ALL MOVE UP. NOW LET'S GO TO THE BOTTOM. 
          WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS DECEMBER OF THOSE SAME YEARS. AND WHAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED HERE ARE THE DAYS THAT ARE SHIFTING. SO AGAIN EACH YEAR THE PAY DAYS SHIFT DOWN. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW I'VE CAPTURED THAT SECOND PAY IN DECEMBER OR LAST PAY RATHER, AND HOW IT MOVES DOWN UNTIL FINALLY SUCH TIME THAT ON FRIDAY JANUARY 1ST, WHICH OF COURSE IS A BANK HOLIDAY, THE PAY MOVES TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2026, MEANING AGAIN THREE PAY DAYS, THE FOURTH, THE 18TH AND 31ST ARE ALL IN DECEMBER. SO AS I SAID, IT SHIFTS UNTIL THE FIRST PAY OF THE YEAR OF THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO BECOMES THE LAST PAY OF THE CURRENT YEAR. 27 PAY DAY YEARS ARE SIMPLY A CORRECTION NECESSARY FOR BECAUSE THE CALENDAR IS NOT EASILY DIVISIBLE BY SEVEN. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'D LIKE TO SAY THERE ARE 52 WEEKS IN A YEAR, BUT IN REALITY IT'S MORE LIKE A NUMBER MORE AKIN TO PI. IT JUST KEEPS GOING OUT THERE. AND THAT .1429 APPROXIMATELY IS WHAT CAUSES THE SHIFT AND AGAIN, CAUSES BIWEEKLY, PAYS TO HAVE A 27TH PAY EVERY OTHER EVERY TEN YEARS OR SO. SO THIS BEGS THE QUESTION, WHY NOT PAY EMPLOYEES BIMONTHLY, CHANGING TO A BIMONTHLY PAY, PRESUMABLY JUST IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID A 27 PAY EVERY 10 TO 11 YEARS, WOULD MEAN THAT WE STILL HAVE TO PAY SOME EMPLOYEES BI WEEKLY, PARTICULARLY OUR FIRE AND POLICE UNIONS. HOW THEY ARE PAID, HOW THEY ACCRUE OVERTIME, HOW THEIR SCHEDULE IS SET. 
          AGAIN, PARTICULARLY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THERE ARE 24 HOUR SCHEDULES, IS BASED ON A 
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BI WEEKLY PAY AGAIN NEGOTIATED INTO THE CONTRACT. IN ADDITION, IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LABOR STANDARDS, WE WOULD MOST LIKELY LEAVE ALL HOURLY EMPLOYEES ON A BI WEEKLY PAY, BECAUSE WHILE THEIR SCHEDULES MAY NOT BE AS COMPLICATED, THE REALITY IS, THOUGH, WHEN YOU'RE CALCULATING OVERTIME AND MINIMUM PAY PER WEEK AND THESE VARIOUS THINGS THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE ANSWERS IN THOSE AREAS, I WOULD REFER YOU TO TARA QUITE HAPPILY. THAT IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO KEEP THEM ON A BI WEEKLY PAY, SO WE WOULD BE JUST SWITCHING A FEW OF OUR EMPLOYEES OVER. IF WE WERE TO TRY TO DO A BI MONTHLY. BUT EVEN IF WE DID THAT, AND I SAY HERE OBVIOUSLY IN THE LAST LINE THAT IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY COMPLICATE OVERTIME AND COMP TIME CALCULATIONS IF WE WERE TO TRY TO PAY EVERYBODY BI MONTHLY. 
          BUT AS I SAID, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT 50 EMPLOYEES, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY DECREASE THE COMPLICATION OF DOING A PAYROLL. SO THE ONLY WAY I WOULD BE ABLE TO PROCESS IN MY OFFICE TWO SEPARATE PAYROLLS HAPPENING IN A MONTH, IN EFFECT, DEPENDING ON THE MONTH 4 TO 5 PAYDAYS, WOULD BE TO HIRE A NEW PAYROLL CLERK. ALSO, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CITIES WERE CONTACTED AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION. YOU'LL SEE SOME ANSWERS TO THEM LATER, ABOUT 27TH PAY AND SO FORTH. BUT ONE THING IS, WE NOTED ALL OF THEM PAY BIWEEKLY. ALSO, IN ADDITION TO IN MY TIME AS A STATE AUDITOR, I NEVER AUDITED A LOCAL GOVERNMENT OUTSIDE OF A SCHOOL WHICH HAVE A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT WAYS THEY PAY THEIR STAFF THAT DID NOT PAY BIWEEKLY. AND THIS SIMPLY IS BECAUSE A BI WEEKLY PAY IS THE MOST EFFICIENT METHOD TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL LAW, AND IT MAKES CALCULATIONS SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER FOR OUR PAYROLL STAFF. SO LESS POTENTIAL ERRORS. ANOTHER QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED IN RELATION TO THE 27TH PAY AND MOST ENTHUSIASTICALLY BY OUR LAW DIRECTOR, WAS WHAT DAYS WE PAY AN EMPLOYEE FOR WHETHER IT'S THE 27TH PAY OR OTHERWISE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THAT PAY THAT CROSSES A YEAR, WHAT DAYS ARE PEOPLE BEING PAID FOR, WHAT TIME ARE THEY BEING PAID FOR, AND SO FORTH. EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ELECTED OFFICIALS LIKE YOURSELVES, IS PAID FOR WORK THAT THEY DID PREVIOUSLY. AND THIS IS WHY WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE EMPLOYMENT HERE AT THE CITY, THEY RECEIVE A PAYCHECK 1 TO 2 WEEKS AFTER, DEPENDING ON WHEN THEIR TERMINATION DATE WAS AND RELATIVE TO THE PAY DATE. AS A RESULT, THE FIRST PAY DAYS OF THE YEAR ALWAYS HAVE TIME WORKED IN THE PRIOR YEAR. SO USING THAT SAME CHART I HAD BEFORE FOR THE FIRST PAY IN 2016. AND I USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE THIS WAS THE LAST 25 OR 27 PAY YEAR. YOU CAN SEE IT FOR WHAT WE ARE PAID ON JANUARY 1ST, 2016. THAT WAS FOR THOSE ON MY COMPUTER. IT'S PEACH, BUT I RESPECTED THE FACT IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT COLOR. 
          SO I SAID YELLOW DAYS ON THE SPREADSHEET. SO ALL OF THE DAYS THAT YOU'RE PAID ON JANUARY 1ST COME OUT OF DECEMBER'S PAY SCHEDULE OR WORK SCHEDULE, AND THEN IT TAKES A WEEK TO PROCESS THE PAY. THEREFORE THE PAY DATE ON JANUARY 1ST ALSO, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT PAY DATE IS SO EARLY IN JANUARY, THE BLUE PAY DATES OR THE BLUE DATES WORK RATHER ARE PAID ON JANUARY 15TH. 
          AND THIS HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE YEAR. SOMETIMES THE FIRST PAY DAY. BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENS THAT PAY DAY SHIFTED INTO 2015. SO NEXT YEAR, 2017, THIS PAY DATE WOULD BE THE 14TH, WHICH WOULD BE A FRIDAY. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE LESS DAYS GOING FORWARD. BUT AGAIN, AS THAT PAY DATE SHIFTS, MORE AND MORE DAYS OF 2015, IN THIS CASE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT YEAR. THIS IS STANDARD AND BIWEEKLY PAYS, AND FRANKLY, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WOULD PAY, BI MONTHLY PAYS COULD BE STANDARD THERE AS WELL. AND THIS JUST REQUIRES A URINE MODIFICATION TO OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. IT'S CALLED AN ACCRUED WAGES ADJUSTMENT. AND THIS IS REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CASH AND ACCRUAL REPORTING THAT YOU APPROPRIATE IS FOR CASH. SO WHEN YOU APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR JANUARY 1ST THOSE ARE THE MONIES THAT I NEED TO PAY EVERYTHING FROM 
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JANUARY 1ST TO DECEMBER 31ST, REGARDLESS OF WHEN THE WORK WAS DONE. THE MONEYS RECEIVED APPLIES COULD APPLY TO EITHER FISCAL YEAR. AND OF COURSE, EXPENSES COULD HAVE BEEN ACCRUED IN THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR, BUT WE PAY THEM IN THE CURRENT. ALL OF THOSE THINGS I JUST TALKED ABOUT ARE WHAT ARE ADJUSTED FOR OUR ACCRUAL STATEMENTS. THOSE ARE THE STATEMENTS THAT ARE IN OUR AUDIT. SO EXAMPLES OF THOSE THINGS I JUST TALKED ABOUT INCLUDE ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE, ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, PREPAID EXPENSES, COMPENSATED ABSENCES, AND OF COURSE ACCRUED WAGES. THESE ARE THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING LINES UP. BECAUSE IDEALLY, WHETHER IT'S FROM A PRIVATE SECTOR, PUBLIC SECTOR, YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WERE THE ACTUAL REVENUES AND EXPENSES APPLICABLE TO THE FISCAL YEAR. BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING WE DO BELOW THAT IS CASH. WE DO NOT MAKE ACCRUAL ADJUSTMENTS IN OUR STATEMENTS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DO WITH OUR GAAP CONVERTER THROUGH THE AUDIT PROCESS. SO NOW WE GET INTO THE QUESTION WHAT WOULD BE THE RATIONALE FOR COUNCIL TO AMEND THE BUDGET TO EITHER REDUCE THE COLA OR ELIMINATE THE 27TH PAY FOR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES? IS IT BECAUSE THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THE 2026 BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS? SO HERE I HAVE A SIMPLE CHART SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A THREE AND 4%. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE COLA. FIRST WE'LL GET TO 27 PAY A LITTLE BIT. AND I'VE BROKEN THIS DOWN. BETWEEN BUSINESS TYPE ACTIVITIES OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS WATER SEWER SANITATION STORMWATER AND GENERAL GOVERNMENT OR KNOWN AS GENERAL FUND ACTIVITIES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS AS WELL, BECAUSE WE FUND MOST OF OUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS WITH REVENUE FROM THE GENERAL FUND. AND THE TOTAL DIFFERENCE IS $106,240. BUT KEEP IN MIND, THIS ISN'T THE ACTUAL FULL AMOUNT. I'M TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS THE CHANGE THAT COULD BE IMPACTED BY ANY OF YOU REDUCING THE COLA FROM 4 TO 3%, BECAUSE THE 143 SECURITY AND PERSONS AND PERSONS AND PROPERTY EMPLOYEES, AND THAT INCLUDES THE COURT CANNOT BE LOWERED. THEIR CONTRACT SAYS WHAT THEIR COLA IS GOING TO BE. AND ALSO THE JUDGE HAS INDICATED TO US, THE ADMINISTRATION, I BELIEVE, TO SOME OF YOU AS WELL, THAT HE INTENDS, IF THAT THE BUDGET WERE CHANGED, THAT HE WOULD ISSUE A JUDICIAL ORDER SETTING HIS BUDGET TO PAY THE 4% IN 27 PAY, AS IN THE BUDGET, WHICH IS HIS RIGHT. THAT IS A RIGHT OF EVERY SINGLE JUDGE, WHETHER IT'S COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY. SO THE OVERALL IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND OF THAT $60,000 A YEAR. AND AGAIN, SO SORRY, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL TYPES OF ACCOUNT, 46,000 FOR BUSINESS TYPE ACTIVITIES AND 60,000 FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT. THAT'S 60 K ONLY REPRESENTS 0.16 OF THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH MEANS I HAVE TAKEN OUT DEBT SERVICE TRANSFERS AND CAPITAL SPENDING. THIS IS THIS IS THE OPERATING EXPENDITURES, 0.16%. AND THE IMPACT IS EVEN LESS TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS OF 46,000, REPRESENTING 0.016% OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND BUDGET. AND AGAIN, THOSE NUMBERS, OF COURSE, ARE IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW. SO AGAIN, THIS PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET IS REPRESENTED BY EITHER A, THE COLA BEING FROM 3 TO 4% OR AND THE 27TH BEING IN THERE AS WELL. ZACH, YOU HAVE MENTIONED A NUMBER OF TIMES ABOUT COMPOUNDING. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I NEVER DID THE MATH. I WAS LIKE, I REALLY WANT TO DO THIS EXERCISE. SO WHAT I DID HERE IS PUT TOGETHER A SPREADSHEET WHERE I TOOK THE $106,240. FOR THE SAKE OF SIMPLICITY, I'M NOT GOING TO BREAK THIS DOWN BETWEEN GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND ENTERPRISE. AND I SAID, OKAY, OF THAT 106,000, IF WE DID A 2% COLA FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, WHAT WOULD THE TOTAL COST TO BE TO ALL FUNDS? IF WE DID A 3% CALL FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS AND WE DID A 4% CALL. SO EVEN IF WE DID A 4% COLA FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THAT 1% TODAY WOULD COST IN TOTAL $64,000. AND THAT'S IN TOTAL. THAT'S SPREAD OUT OVER TEN YEARS. AGAIN, BETWEEN GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS AND ENTERPRISE OPERATIONS. SO EVEN IF IN 2026, YOU GUYS DECIDED, YOU GUYS DECIDED, HEY, WE WANT TO SET ASIDE THAT MONEY. WE 
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WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE. SO WE'RE GOING TO SET ASIDE THAT MONEY TODAY. IT WOULD ONLY INCREASE THE BUDGET BY ANOTHER 0.07%. AGAIN, THAT'S TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET. SO NOW WE'RE TO THE 27TH PAY. AND HOW THIS IMPACTS EXEMPT EMPLOYEES. ALL FULL TIME NONEXEMPT EMPLOYEES HOURLY WILL RECEIVE THE 27 PAY, ALONG WITH ANY OVERTIME OR COMP TIME EARNED IN THAT PAY PERIOD. 
          AND THAT WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET THAN ANYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HERE, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT PERS, MEDICARE WORKER'S COMPENSATION AND CHARGEBACKS TO THE GENERAL FUND FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH ARE DONE FOUR TIMES A YEAR AND ARE ALWAYS BASED ON THE PAYROLL AMOUNT PAID. THE TOTAL COST TO THE GENERAL FUND WOULD BE 124,000. OR AGAIN, AS IT IS IN THE BUDGET TODAY, 0.271% OF THE TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET. AND AGAIN, I TELL YOU, THE OPERATING BUDGET IS 40 45.7 MILLION. AND THAT INCLUDES GENERAL AND SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS. SO 102 HUNDRED LESS CAPITAL DEBT SERVICE AND TRANSFERS. AND BY THE WAY, JUST REAL QUICK, THE REASON I EXCLUDE TRANSFERS IS BECAUSE IN YOUR BUDGET, YOU'LL NOTICE WE HAVE TRANSFERS GOING OUT OF FUNDS AND THEN INTO OTHER FUNDS. 
          SO THEY DON'T EXCLUDE ONE HALF OF THOSE. AND WHAT I DO IS I EXCLUDE THE REVENUE BECAUSE THE REVENUE IS BEING MOVED INTO THOSE FUNDS TO MAKE THE EXPENSES. SO I REMOVE THE REVENUE FROM THOSE NUMBERS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH TRANSFERS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO A NUMBER OF FUNDS, THAT TRANSFER EXPENSE IS INCLUDED IN THE 45.7 MILLION. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT COUNTING THE REVENUE INTO THE FUND. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT MAKES EVERYTHING, EVEN BETWEEN ALL THE FUNDS, APPLYING THAT SAME METHODOLOGY TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AN APPROPRIATION OF 109,000, WHICH AGAIN INCLUDES PERS, MEDICARE EVERYTHING, PLUS THE CHARGEBACK THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS IS 0.251% OF THE 43.3 MILLION OPERATING BUDGETS FOR THOSE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. NOW, IT IS FAIR TO NOTE THAT OBVIOUSLY, A MAJORITY OF THAT WOULD BE TO WATER AND SEWER, AS THEY ARE BY FAR OUR BIGGEST WATER, OUR BIGGEST ENTERPRISE FUNDS. AND AGAIN, I NOTE THAT THESE CALCULATIONS DO NOT INCLUDE THE 27TH PAY RELATED TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT FOR REASONS I STATED EARLIER. SO THAT NUMBER FOR THE GENERAL FUND, THE 124 IS LITERALLY FOR THE EXEMPT STAFF, EXCLUDING THE JUDGES STAFF. AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, THE JUDGES STAFF IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT WHEN IT COMES TO EXEMPT EMPLOYEES BECAUSE HIS TOTAL BY ITSELF OF THE 27 PAY IS OVER $30,000. JUST OVER $30,000. SO COMPARE THAT TO THE 124, AND IT TELLS YOU THE JUDGE HAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF EXEMPT STAFF COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENTS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO TALK A TINY BIT ABOUT EXEMPT AND WHY IT EXISTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO IF THAT TERM IS UNFAMILIAR TO YOU, WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION FOR THAT LATER. SO IN SUMMARY, FOR BOTH THE 4% COLE AND THE 27TH PAY, AGAIN USING A32 4% EMPHASIS ON THAT, THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE $184,110 OF 0.4% OF THE PROPOSED GENERAL AND SPECIAL REVENUE OPERATING APPROPRIATIONS, AND 154 $910 0.36 IN THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. THAT'S THE TOTAL, AGAIN, OF A 1% DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. SO BETWEEN A THREE AND A FOUR AND A COLA, AND THE 27TH PAY FOR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES. THESE AMOUNTS ARE ALMOST DE MINIMIS TO THE OPERATING BUDGETS AS DEFINED BY THE STATE AUDITORS. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, REMEMBER WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT ACCRUED WAGES, ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE AND SO FORTH? OUR BUDGET IS SO LARGE THAT IF THE AUDITORS FOUND AN ERROR WHERE I SHOULD HAVE MOVED $184,000 IN RECEIVABLES TO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PRIOR YEAR TO THE CURRENT YEAR, THEY WOULD JUST SAY, HEY, WE NOTED THIS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. JUST FYI, NEXT YEAR. CLEAN IT UP. SO EACH YEAR ALSO, I SHOULD SAY EACH YEAR THE CITY ROUTINELY ENCOUNTERS A FEW UNANTICIPATED EXPENDITURES EQUAL TO OR GREATER TO THESE AMOUNTS, WHICH ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE REGULAR BUDGET. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT THIS YEAR RELATED TO ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE, BUT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS WERE NOT IN THE 2025 BUDGET, 
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BUT WE HAD NO PROBLEM FINDING THE FUNDING, NO PROBLEM AT ALL FINDING THE FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, AND SOMETIMES NOT NECESSARILY MAYBE IN THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF LARGE. SO THEY'LL BE PART OF MY SUPPLEMENTALS COMING UP HERE IN A WEEK OR TWO. BUT IN MOST CASES, WE COULD COVER AMOUNTS WITHOUT A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION. THAT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SPENDING TRENDS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO REALLY, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THESE AMOUNTS, WELL, MEANINGFUL IN TERMS OF THEIR NUMBER. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S HERE'S 100,000 180,000 150,000, COMPARED TO THE $48 MILLION GENERAL FUND BUDGET, OR THE $43 MILLION OPERATING FUNDS. AGAIN, FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THESE AMOUNTS ARE DE MINIMIS. SO GIVEN THAT THE COST DOES NOT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE 2026 BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS AGAIN, WHY WOULD COUNCIL MAKE A CHANGE? IS IT BECAUSE THE AMOUNT REPRESENTS AN INCREASE THAT IS UNWARRANTED? AGAIN, WITH THE 4%? COLE, FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THE CPI. THIS ON THE LEFT IS THE CPI FOR EVERY YEAR. OR I SHOULD SAY IT'S THE CHANGE IN CPI YEAR TO YEAR BASIS, WHICH IS ALSO CALLED THE INFLATION RATE AND WHAT IT WAS BETWEEN 2019. AND WHAT IS IT IS EXPECTED TO BE IN 2025. THAT NUMBER COULD BE BETWEEN TWO, TWO, SEVEN, FIVE AND THREE. WE'LL SEE WHERE IT ENDS UP. IN THEORY, OUR COLAS ARE A MIRROR TO THOSE CHANGES, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER FACTORS THAT WE'LL DISCUSS. SO IF YOU ADD EVERYTHING FROM 2019 TO 2025, THAT'S 26.5% OF INCREASED COST TO THE CONSUMERS BASED ON THE CPI OVER THOSE YEARS. AND OUR COLAS HAVE RESPONDED WITH A 24% INCREASE. AND THAT IS ALSO INCLUDING THE 4% FOR NEXT YEAR. SO WE'RE 2.5% BEHIND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND I KNOW THAT THOSE INFLATION NUMBERS AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT 100%, THOSE INFLATION NUMBERS 21 AND 22 ARE, IF I MAY SAY SO, WHACK. I MEAN, THAT'S THOSE ARE WEIRD NUMBERS. 
          BUT AND PEOPLE TELL ME IN ECONOMICS THAT DEFLATION IS BAD. I'VE NEVER QUITE WRAPPED MY HEAD AROUND THAT. I'M AN ACCOUNTANT, NOT AN ECONOMIST. BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR STILL WE ARE SEEING INCREASES LIKE WE DID HAVE A NICE 2.9 AND 2024, LIKE I SAID, MAY EVEN BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN 25. BUT PRICE IS STILL INCREASE EVERY YEAR. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          THOSE THOSE YEARS WERE WAY OUT OF WHACK. SO THAT'S THE CPI WHICH AGAIN IS NATIONAL. SO NOW WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SOME REGIONAL IMPACTS TO THE EXPENSES THAT OUR EMPLOYEES FACE EVERY DAY. AND WHILE THE GROWTH IN THE COLUMBUS METRO REGION MAY NOT BE WHAT IT WAS, SAY, IN 2022 OR 2023, IT'S STILL VERY GOOD COMPARED TO NATIONAL AVERAGE. SO THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY, ALTHOUGH THEY'LL PROBABLY GET CAUGHT UP HERE SOON IF THE GOVERNMENT REOPENS, IS A LITTLE BEHIND AND UPDATING THEIR NUMBERS. BUT IN MAY, THEY RELEASED NUMBERS THAT SHOWED COLUMBUS RANKED FOURTH IN YEAR TO YEAR PERCENTAGE GROWTH IN METROPOLITAN AREAS. MSAS. I THINK THAT'S METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREAS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. SO WE WERE JUST ABOVE AUSTIN, WHICH IF YOU GUYS ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN AUSTIN, THAT'S AMAZING. AND JUST BELOW ORLANDO-KISSIMMEE-SANFORD RIGHT THERE AT 4TH MAY TO MAY. COLUMBUS WAS NAMED THE NUMBER ONE US REGION FOR GROWTH AND INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THIS INDEX COMBINES PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT, JOB CREATION DATA WITH FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING TO SHOW WHICH REGIONS ARE BEST POSITIONED FOR LONG TERM ECONOMIC SUCCESS. COLLECTING AND ANALYZING DATA FROM 2020 1ST JULY TO JULY 1ST, 2025. SO AGAIN, THAT IS MORE OF A FUTURE OUTLOOK, BUT IT'S ALSO IN RESPONSE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND FUNDING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT JOB GROWTH. IT SAYS HERE, SINCE 2021, 195 COMPANIES HAVE LOCATED OR EXPANDED IN THE REGION. THESE PROJECTS HAVE GENERATED OVER 38 BILLION IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT, AND LED TO THE CREATION OF NEARLY 28,000 NEW JOBS ACROSS THE REGION. 
          THIS WAS PUBLISHED NINE TWO OF 25 ONE. COLUMBUS RELEASED INFORMATION BASED ON THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS DATA ON 923 OF 25. SO JUST OVER A MONTH AGO SAYING THE COLUMBUS AREA IS NUMBER TWO IN EMPLOYMENT GROWTH, NUMBER FOUR IN WAGE GROWTH, 1 MILLION TOTAL NEW EMPLOYEES 805 EIGHT 18,570 JOBS YEAR OVER YEAR AND 20.6 BILLION IN WAGES, UP 6.9% YEAR OVER YEAR. NOW, 
          [02:25:06]
ADMITTEDLY, THOSE YEAR OVER YEARS ARE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE STATISTICS COLLECTED BY THE BLS AREN'T ALWAYS IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER, BUT IT STILL TELLS YOU THIS HAS BEEN AN AMAZING YEAR. STILL IN THE COLUMBUS REGION. AND I DO WRITE DOWN HERE, THE REASON I TELL YOU ABOUT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE MORE COMPANIES IN THE REGION, EVEN WITH PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE REGION, THAT CREATES JOB COMPETITION FOR OUR TALENT. ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FACTORS TO CONSIDER WHEN SETTING THE COLA, OR WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THE REGION ARE PAYING. NOW, WE GENERALLY GET THIS DATA FROM MAUZY, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES OR OR OTHER SOURCES, ADMITTEDLY, BUT USUALLY THAT DATA IS A LITTLE BIT BEHIND. BUT AGAIN, SO IS THE COLA. IT'S RESPONDING TO A YEAR BEHIND. BUT SO WHAT I DID IS MY STAFF CONTACTED ALL OF THE CITIES LISTED THERE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THEIR COLA INCREASES, AND WE ALSO DISCUSSED THEIR 27 PAY, WHICH AGAIN WILL COME LATER. THE CITIES OF BELLEFONTAINE, NEWARK AND POWELL PRESENTED COAL AS A 5% GREATER, 5% OR GREATER IN THEIR 2026 BUDGETS. 
          AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT'S A WIDE RANGE OF CITIES RIGHT THERE IN TERMS OF THE FLUENCY, POPULATION, HISTORY OF GROWTH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. ALL OTHER CITIES WERE BETWEEN 3 AND 4%, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LANCASTER, AT 2.5%. AND ACTUALLY, ONE OF MY STAFF GOT AHOLD OF CIRCLEVILLE BECAUSE THEY HADN'T CALLED US BACK. NOW CIRCLEVILLE IS AT ZERO, BUT DRIVE DOWN THE CIRCLEVILLE. YOU'LL SEE WHY IT'S THEY AREN'T. THEY HAVE A BOTTLENECK OF GROWTH THAT HAPPENS IN SOUTH BLOOMFIELD AND ASHEVILLE, AND IT JUST DOESN'T QUITE GET TO CIRCLEVILLE. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THEY ARE VERY MUCH IN A STRUGGLING POSITION WITH THEIR FINANCES. BUT THEREFORE ALMOST ALL OF THESE WERE WITHIN 1% OF OUR 4%. SO NOW WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REGIONAL HOUSEHOLD EXPENDITURES. ONE OF THE BIGGEST ELECTRICITY MULTIPLE SOURCES OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASE IN ELECTRICITY, SOME COMING FROM AEP THEMSELVES. THE AVERAGE ELECTRICITY ELECTRICITY BILL IN COLUMBUS, OHIO IS ONE 3950 PER MONTH. THAT'S AN UPDATED NUMBER FROM ELECTRICITY PLANS.COM. SO THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT NUMBER. OHIO AS A STATE HAS SEEN AVERAGE ELECTRICITY ELECTRICITY RATES INCREASE 15% BETWEEN AUGUST OF 24 AND AUGUST OF 25. 
          SO AGAIN A VERY RECENT NUMBER. SO IF WE ASSUME EVERYBODY IN HERE IS PAYING ON AVERAGE ONE 3950, THAT'S AN EXTRA 2060 A MONTH. THESE NUMBERS ARE RELEVANT LATER ON. COLUMBIA GAS HAS SAID THAT THEY'RE AND THIS IS FROM THEIR STANDARD CHOICE OFFER PLAN. SO AGAIN THIS IS FROM COLUMBIA GAS. THE RATES HAVE CLIMBED NEARLY 26% OVER THE PAST SEVEN MONTHS. AND THIS PARTICULAR WEBSITE STATES THAT RESIDENTIAL ELECTRICITY COMPANIES ARE SEEING THEIR MONTHLY BILLS RISE BY UP TO 44% BASED ON THEIR SPECIFIC UTILITY USAGE LEVELS. COMPARING SPRING RATES TO JULY OF 2025. AGAIN, RECENT DATA. AND ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST IN A MEETING TODAY AT 2:00 WITH A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CFS. IT'S A EMPLOYMENT SERVICE THAT WE UTILIZE FROM TIME TO TIME. AND I WAS TALKING TO HER ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SHE GAVE US A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWED WAGES IN THE REGION AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, AND I TOLD HER I WAS WORKING ON THIS, AND I SAID ELECTRICITY WAS GOING UP BY 15%. SHE'S LIKE, THAT'S NOT MY BILL. 
          MY BILLS ALMOST DOUBLED. I WAS LIKE, WELL, I DID HAVE A SOURCE THAT SAID 44% AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT LENDS INTO THE FACT IT REALLY DEPENDS WHAT ELECTRICITY YOU'RE ON, COOPERATIVE, FOR PROFIT, SO ON AND SO FORTH. GENERALLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT COST FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL FAMILY. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE. I KNOW CATHY CAN IS HOUSEHOLD COSTS, AND I FOUND THIS FASCINATING BECAUSE I DID NOT EXPECT THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. ONE AND TWO BEDROOM PRICES ARE DOWN 1.5 AND ONE TWO, 1.2%, RESPECTIVELY. NATIONALLY. I WAS SURPRISED. I WAS LIKE, WOW, OKAY, NATIONALLY THEY'RE COMING DOWN. BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE COLUMBUS LISTED IN THEIR DATA SHOWING THAT OUR ONE BEDROOM RENT IS UP 0.8%. NOT THAT MUCH, BUT THE TWO BEDROOM IS 2.1%. SO WHILE THE NATIONAL RATES ARE DECREASING, COLUMBUS IS STILL INCREASING YEAR OVER YEAR. AND THAT WAS COMPARING OCTOBER OF 24 TO OCTOBER OF 25. SO BETWEEN THE NEGATIVE AND THE POSITIVE THAT'S A 3.3% DELTA. THIS MEANS AN INCREASE OF $46.20 A MONTH ON A $1,400 A MONTH RENT. AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, WHILE I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE RENT 
          [02:30:02]
NUMBERS, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH, THE NEW ONES ACROSS FROM HOME DEPOT, WOODSIDE. I EVEN LOOKED AT THE ONES THAT ARE OFF PROGRESS PARKWAY THAT ARE INTERIOR ENTRY APARTMENTS. ALL OF THEM ARE 1500 AND ABOVE. 
          SO I WOULD ARGUE 1400 MIGHT ACTUALLY BE MID-RANGE APARTMENT. CAN'T SPEAK FOR HOUSES, BUT TRYING TO BUY A NEW HOME. I THINK MOST OF US WOULD AGREE AS WELL IS NOT GETTING ANY EASIER. 
          AND WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THIS MEETING ABOUT HOW IT'S BECOMING MORE DIFFICULT. SO ACCORDING TO THIS, DON'T WORRY, WE'RE GOING TO DO 50 YEAR MORTGAGES. IT'S GOING TO HELP. I ALREADY SIGNED UP FOR ONE. I'M PLANNING ON MOVING HERE. IS THAT WHY YOU'RE DOING ALL THIS? OH, YEAH. EXACTLY. YEAH. YEAH. NO, I, I WILL ADMIT I DO LIKE MY TEN ACRES OF LAND. IT IS FINE. I JUST BOUGHT A POSTHOLE DIGGER. IT'S VERY EXCITING. I'M JUST GOING TO PUT FENCES IN EVERYWHERE. SO ANYWAY, THE PRICING HISTORY SHOWS A STEADY INCREASE IN MEDIAN PRICE, WHICH REACHED $298,000, UP 2.7% FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AGAIN PUBLISHED ON 1107 OF 25. I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE INTEREST RATES ARE. I JUST DID A QUICK INTERNET SEARCH. IT SEEMED TO HOVER AROUND 5.6. I SAW SIXES AND SO FORTH, BUT I WENT AHEAD AND SAID, IF THE NUMBERS ARE THE SAME AND YOU ARE BUYING A HOUSE TODAY COMPARED TO 2024, YOU WOULD HAVE AN INCREASE JUST IN YOUR PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS. SO OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANY CHANGES THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN YOUR PROPERTY TAXES OR INSURANCE COSTS AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS. THE INCREASE IN PAY IS 3720 A MONTH. THIS IS WHERE THAT FACTOR THAT INTEREST RATES CAME DOWN. FIVE, SIX, FIVE, SIX. WHY IS 2020? WELL, I JUST WANTED TO KEEP THEM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YEAH I INTEREST RATES WERE HIGHER THAN 2025. YEAH. NO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT'S APPLES TO APPLES. YEAH I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW IF YOU WERE TO BUY THE SAME HOME AT THE SAME RATE. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, INTEREST RATES HAVE COME DOWN. SO MAYBE THE LET MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS. BUT AGAIN IT DEPENDS A LOT ON YOUR MARKET TOO. LIKE WHAT THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE IS. 
          YEAH. NO I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. MAYBE THIS NUMBER ISN'T. IT'S IT IS 100% ACCURATE I APPRECIATE THAT. NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT HERE IS SO INCREASING THE COLA BY 1%. IT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE CHART YOU FIRST SAW. BUT I DON'T EXPECT YOU ALL TO REMEMBER IT. I WON'T BORE YOU BY GOING ALL THE WAY BACK. 1% INCREASE IN COLA. THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE WOULD EARN $58 A MONTH. AND I THINK JUST IN THOSE EXPENSES THAT I'VE SHOWN, YOU WOULD EASILY EAT UP A $58 A MONTH INCREASE. AND KEEP IN MIND, TOO, THAT $58 PRETAX. AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU SAY TAXES TAKE AWAY ABOUT A THIRD ON AVERAGE. SO WE'RE $58. ISN'T EVEN THE TAKE HOME A 4% COLA THOUGH I DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, NOT SHOW THE TOTAL COST ON AVERAGE WOULD BE $232 A MONTH. SO 58 TIMES FOUR OTHER COSTS FOR EMPLOYEES LIVING IN CENTRAL OHIO HAVE INCREASED AS WELL. I THINK, AGAIN, YOU COULD ALL AGREE OTHER UTILITY BILLS, INSURANCE, FOOD DEPENDING ON IF YOU LIKE BEEF COMPARED TO OTHERS. PROPERTY TAXES, OF COURSE, A BIG ITEM HERE IN OUR COUNTY AND OTHERS AROUND CENTRAL OHIO. SO IT'S REASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT $232 IN PRETAX EARNINGS CAN BE EASILY USED UP BY ALL THE INDIVIDUAL COST INCREASES ARE. EMPLOYERS CURRENTLY PAY, AND QUITE FRANKLY, PROBABLY DON'T COVER IT ALL BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ACTUALLY HOW MUCH THOSE WILL INCREASE IN 2026. AGAIN, OUR COLA IS BASED ON HISTORY AND WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY. SO WE'RE NOT EVEN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'LL TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT WITH THE NEXT COLA. SO GIVEN THAT THE COST HAS A MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE BUDGET AND IS SUPPORTED BY THE MARKET DATA, AGAIN, WHAT IS THE NEXT QUESTION THAT WOULD BE ASKED? IS IT BECAUSE THE EXEMPT STAFF DIDN'T EARN THE ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE 27 PAY? SO A COMMON ARGUMENT AGAINST FULLY FUNDING THE 27 PAY CENTERS ON THE CONCEPT OF SALARY AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE HOURS WORKED BY EXEMPT EMPLOYEES. SO THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THESE DEFINITIONS A LITTLE BIT. EXEMPT EMPLOYEES ARE EXEMPT FROM EARNING OVERTIME AND ACCRUING COMPENSATORY TIME, AND THEREFORE CONSIDERED SALARY. 
          AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC LAWS THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED IN ORDER TO CLASSIFY EMPLOYEE AS EXEMPT. 
          I WROTE AS NONEXEMPT, BUT YOU COULD ARGUE IT ACTUALLY GOES BOTH WAYS, WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS, EXEMPT EMPLOYEES ARE ALSO CONSIDERED UNCLASSIFIED. THIS MEANS THEY COULD BE FIRED AT WILL, IN ADDITION TO NOT EARNING OVERTIME OR COMP TIME FOR ANY HOURS WORKED OVER 40 
          [02:35:05]
HOURS A WEEK IS GENERALLY. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY. I SAID. GENERALLY, IT IS MOST ADVANTAGEOUS FOR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO ASSIGN AN EXEMPT STATUS TO EVERY EMPLOYEE WE CAN. 
          AND AGAIN, THERE ARE THERE ARE. LIMITS THAT MUST BE REACHED IN TERMS OF WEEKLY PAY, VARIOUS OTHER THINGS. AGAIN, TARA CAN GO THROUGH ALL THOSE DETAILS IF NEEDED, BUT IN THE END, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR US TO MAKE AS MANY PEOPLE EXEMPT AS POSSIBLE. WHILE NOT 100% TRUE, A LOT OF EXEMPT EMPLOYEES ARE MANAGERS, SO I THINK I WOULD ARGUE I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO GET RID OF A BAD MANAGER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WHEREAS WITH A LINE EMPLOYEE OR AN HOURLY EMPLOYEE, AS A MANAGER, I WANT TO WORK WITH THEM, SEE IF WE CAN FIND A WAY ON A BAD MANAGER. 
          TERRY'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, GET HIM OUT OF HERE. I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SAID TO ME, GET OUT OF HERE. I JUST KEEP COMING BACK. I'M LIKE, GEORGE AND SEINFELD. I JUST COME BACK AND PRETEND LIKE I DIDN'T GET FIRED. NOT PAYING OVERTIME OR COMP TIME. AND BEING ABLE TO TERMINATE AT WILL, LIKE I SAID, IS TO THE COMPLETE ADVANTAGE OF THE GOVERNMENT, NOT THE EMPLOYEE. IN MARYSVILLE AND IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, AN EXEMPT EMPLOYEE DOES NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM TO SET THEIR HOURS AND OTHERWISE COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE. THE EXAMPLE I'VE BEEN USING CONSTANTLY IS I CANNOT SET MY HOURS TO BE 12 TO 9. I THINK TERRY WOULD HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH ME NOT BEING AVAILABLE BETWEEN EIGHT AND NOON EVERY SINGLE DAY, NOT JUST FOR MEETINGS, BUT FOR INTERACTIONS WITH THE PUBLIC, INTERACTIONS WITH YOU, INTERACTIONS WITH ALL THE STAFF HERE, WHATEVER IT IS, THE CITY IS OPEN 8 TO 5 EVERY WEEKDAY AND AND REGARDLESS OF BEING HOURLY OR SALARY, ONE IS EXPECTED TO BE THERE DURING THOSE HOURS. AND BOTH SALARY AND HOURLY EMPLOYEES EARN LEAVE ON THEIR HOURS WORKED. AND THE EXPECTATION FOR ALL OF THEM IS THAT IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO BE IN THE OFFICE BETWEEN 8 AND 5, WE WILL TAKE LEAVE. HOURLY. LEAVE. THIS METHOD OF PAYING SALARY, EMPLOYEES OR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES HAS LED TO A NUMBER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PAYING EXEMPT EMPLOYEES BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEIR RATE IS SET BY A YEAR AMOUNT VERSUS AN HOURLY AMOUNT, THAT THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IN HOW THEY'RE PAID. A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS WAS ACTUALLY LANCASTER. SO I CALLED HIM. I DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY THERE, BUT IT'S MY HOME I LIKE TO CALL. SO I CALLED HIM DOWN THERE AND I EXPLAINED WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, AND THEY WERE LEGITIMATELY CONFUSED. THIS IS NOT AN EXAGGERATION, LEGITIMATELY CONFUSED BY THE QUESTION, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE ONLY PEOPLE THEY CONSIDER SALARY BY THE STRICTEST DEFINITION ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHICH MAKES SENSE. YOU GUYS DO NOT EARN YOUR TIME BASED ON HOURS OR DAYS. IT'S SET BY HOURS AND YOU EARN IT BASED ON, FRANKLY, JUST BEING HERE. UNLESS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DON'T COME ALL THE TIME AND COUNCIL CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, BUT IN REALITY, THAT'S THE CASE HERE IN MARYSVILLE. THE EXEMPT SALARY STAFF IS PAID NO DIFFERENTLY THAN THOSE CITIES WHO SAID THOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT PAY THEIR PEOPLE THE SAME WAY HOW THEY VIEW IT. LANCASTER, BELLEFONTAINE AND DELAWARE COUNTY ARE THREE EXAMPLES BECAUSE LANCASTER, BELLEFONTAINE TOLD US, DELAWARE, I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS THERE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION ON THE 27TH PAY, BECAUSE THEY WERE ON THE OPPOSITE FRIDAYS. 
          ULTIMATELY, THE COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO DENY PAYMENT OF THE 27TH PAY. BUT WHEN WE EXPLAINED TO THEM HOW THEIR PAY, HOW WE PAY OUR SALARY VERSUS HOURLY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, THEY AGREED TO PAY THE 27TH PAY HERE IN MARYSVILLE. AS I SAID, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. SO REGARDLESS OF OUR SALARY IS LISTED, AN ORDINANCE OR AN HOURLY RATE, THE SALARY AMOUNT IS CONVERTED TO HOURLY, AGAIN FOR THE BENEFIT OF MOST YEARS, AND MOST YEARS. IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY EQUAL THE 26 PAY DATES. BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE HOURLY RATE. WHEN WE MOVE TO A 27 PAY, BECAUSE IF WE WENT BACK TO THAT SPREADSHEET, WHICH I'M NOT, BUT THE ONE THAT SHOWED THE 27TH PAY, AGAIN, WE'RE PAID WHETHER WE'RE SALARY OR NOT, FOR THE DAYS THAT WE WORKED ROUGHLY TWO AND A HALF WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS PRIOR. IT ALSO SHOULD BE NOTED THAT NOT ALL OUR SALARY EXEMPT EMPLOYEES ARE MANAGERS, OR AMONG THE HIGHEST PAID IN THE CITY. WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HOURLY EMPLOYEES THAT EARN MORE THAN EXEMPT STAFF. THEY JUST DON'T QUALIFY TO BE EXEMPT. OR AGAIN, WE WOULD MAKE THEM EXEMPT. THERE ARE A NUMBER. 
          [02:40:05]
LIKE I SAID, THEY DON'T HAVE MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE AND THAT OUTSIDE. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE THE EXECUTIVES WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, I CAN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GET INTO SEMANTICS, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT THE LOWER EXEMPT EMPLOYEES, COMPARE THOSE TO THE HIGHEST HOURLY RATES AND WHAT THEY CAN EARN IN OVERTIME, AND SAY THAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO BE PAID, NOT PAID FOR THE TIME THEY WORKED. SO AGAIN, COST IS A SIGNIFICANT MARKET. 
          RESEARCH SUPPORTS THE INCREASE, EXEMPT TIME, DO, EARN AND WORK FOR THE COMPENSATION THAT WOULD BE PAID BY THE 27TH PAY. IS IT BECAUSE CITIES ARE ALSO NOT PAYING THE 27TH PAY? WELL, I DIDN'T EXACTLY BURY THE LEAD THERE. SO AGAIN, WE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF CITIES. TERRY, JEREMY AND I FOUND OUT THAT THIS WAS A CONCERN FOR SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHILE WE WERE AT ICMA, TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO A NUMBER OF CITIES THERE, TALKED TO ROUGHLY 20 CITIES, ALL PAY BI WEEKLY, PAY ALL PAY, THE 27TH PAY. AND TERRY SPECIFICALLY GOT A COUPLE THAT WERE AGAIN CONFUSED, LIKE WITH MY CALL TO LANCASTER LOCAL CITIES PAYING IT THAT WE CONFIRMED BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CALLED ME BACK. LANCASTER, PICKERINGTON, DELAWARE. DUBLIN. 
          GAHANNA. WORTHINGTON. NEWARK. WESTERVILLE, DELAWARE. CIRCLEVILLE DID CONFIRM THAT THEY DO BECAUSE THEY PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES. AGAIN, LIKE LANCASTER DOES AND LIKE BELLEFONTAINE DOES. HEATH, GROVE CITY, PATASKALA POWELL, MARION AND BELLEFONTAINE. 
          BELLEFONTAINE. SORRY, MARION WAS ACTUALLY GIVEN TO US BY THE JUDGE. JUDGE CONTACTED THEM AND GOT US THAT INFORMATION. SO HE'S NOT HERE. I THANK JUDGE PARROTT FOR ALL HIS HELP IN THIS AREA. SO FEW OF THESE. AGAIN, FEW OF THESE CITIES PAID THE 27TH PAY, NOT BECAUSE THEY FELT OBLIGATED TO DO IT. THEY DID IT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY PAY THEIR SALARY EMPLOYEES, WHICH AGAIN, IS THE SAME AS MARYSVILLE. SO IS IT BECAUSE THERE ARE HIGHER PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT FUNDS SHOULD BE USED FOR? THEN? ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED SO FAR, THE PROPOSED 2026 BUDGET WAS ONE OF THE BEST PRESENTED TO US SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK STAFF SCARED OF ME, I LEGITIMATELY DON'T I BUT WHAT I THINK I'VE PROVEN TO THEM IS THAT WE ARE A VERY REASONABLE BUNCH WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FUND ALL THE SERVICES THAT THIS CITY PROVIDES TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL POSSIBLE. SO THERE WERE VERY FEW AREAS WHERE I HAD TO REDUCE THE OPERATING BUDGET. I CAN HONESTLY ONLY THINK OF ONE LINE IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUDGET THAT WASN'T PAYROLL, THAT I LOWERED. 
          THE STAFF FELT CONFIDENT THAT THE AMOUNTS REQUESTED WOULD SUPPORT OUR HIGH QUALITY SERVICES, EVEN WHEN THEY DID REDUCE SOME OF THEIR LINE ITEMS. NOW, SOMETIMES THAT WAS MAYBE DONE TO SUPPORT AN INCREASE IN ANOTHER LINE ITEM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT IS NOT ALWAYS SEEN IN GOVERNMENT SPENDING. AND ALSO THANKS TO THE STAFF'S COMPLETION OF A PRIORITIZED CAPITAL LIST, WE WERE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT EVERY CAPITAL PROJECT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO EITHER ENHANCE OR ADD TO OUR CURRENT CITY SERVICES WAS FUNDED. NOW, ARE THERE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WERE MOVED TO 2027, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR BOOKS THAT WERE LESS OR THAT COULD BE FUNDED? IF WE MOVE THAT MONEY FROM, SAY, A COLA TO 27 PAY. BUT AGAIN, THESE WEREN'T THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON. THERE ARE THINGS LIKE MAYBE BUYING A VEHICLE THAT, AGAIN, WE CAN GET ANOTHER YEAR OUT OF THE VEHICLE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THOSE ARE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU REMEMBER, FROM EARLIER. SO THERE AREN'T MANY CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT COULD BE COVERED BY THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY OR EVEN ENHANCED BY THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. ADMINISTRATION BELIEVES THERE WAS NO HIGHER PRIORITY THAN PAYING OUR EMPLOYEES A MARKET SUPPORTED COLA FOR THEIR HOURS, THAT THEY WILL WORK, INCLUDING THE 27 PAY. SO FINALLY, WHERE ARE WE AT? WHAT IS THE REASON THAT WE WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH A 4% COLA OR A 27 PAY? IN CONCLUSION? I MEAN, THIS THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE I KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO BE HERE. IS NOT AN EXAGGERATION OR HYPERBOLE TO SAY THAT THE STAFF WORKING FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE REPRESENT THE BEST LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO OFFER. TURNOVER IS LOW IN MY DEPARTMENT IN PARTICULAR, I'VE HAD NO ONE LEAVE EXCEPT FOR RETIREMENTS. TURNOVER IS LOW, STAFF ENGAGEMENT IS HIGH. AGAIN, GO BACK TO THAT 2026 BUDGET. THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING TELLS ME THAT 
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EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM TALKED TO THEIR MANAGERS AND MADE A BUDGET THAT WAS BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY, NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY BUT FOR THE SERVICES. AND WE HAVE EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION SURVEY RESULTS THAT ARE ENVY OF OUR NEIGHBORS, THOSE AREAS THAT WE GENERALLY NEED TO WORK ON, THAT'S INDICATING THOSE SURVEYS AREN'T WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE BIG ITEMS. ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING WHILE THE WORKLOAD INCREASES ACROSS THE CITY. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY RESPONSIBLE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. INCREASING STAFF. WE DO NOT TAKE INCREASING STAFF LIGHTLY. OUR STAFF STAY HERE, MAYBE MAKING A LITTLE LESS MONEY THAN THEY COULD GO SOMEPLACE ELSE. NAMELY A PLACE JUST RIGHT DOWN 33 A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE FELT VALUED BY BOTH THE ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL, NOT ONLY IN HOW MUCH THEY ARE PAID, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE LISTENED TO THEIR CONCERNS AND RESPOND TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. WE'VE SEEN EMPLOYEES CHOOSE TO STAY WITH MARYSVILLE, EVEN WHILE EARNING SIGNIFICANTLY LESS FOR VERY SPECIFIC JOBS THAT YOU WOULD THINK, MAN, IF I CAN GO THERE AND DO THE SAME WORK AND MAKE MORE MONEY, THAT WOULD SEEM LIKE A GREAT DECISION. BUT THEY STILL STAY HERE AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE PROVEN OURSELVES TO FAIRLY COMPENSATE THEM WITHIN OUR FINANCIAL MEANS. 
          HOWEVER, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT IS EVIDENT TODAY ANY REDUCTION FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE INFORMATION I PRESENTED, COULD ERODE THAT TRUST AND MAY LEAD TO EMPLOYEES TO QUESTION WHETHER THEIR WAGES WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP PACE WITH THE RISING COSTS, NOT JUST IN 2026, BUT YEARS BEYOND. THE PROPOSED 2027 PAY, ARE BOTH WELL WITHIN THE CITY'S FINANCIAL CAPACITY. AGAIN, THAT IS PROVEN WITH THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED BY ADMINISTRATION AND CAN BE PROVIDED WITHOUT COMPROMISING SERVICE LEVELS AND REFLECT A COMMITMENT TO VALUING THE EMPLOYEES WHO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY EVERY DAY. GREAT SERVICE COMES FROM A GREAT STAFF, AND I EVEN ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. IT COMES FROM AN EXPERIENCED STAFF. IT COMES FROM A STAFF WITHOUT TURNOVER BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE GROW AND MATURE, MOVE UP THROUGH OUR RANKS AND BECOME EXTREMELY VALUABLE COGS IN THIS MACHINE. 
          SO IF WE WANT TO RETAIN AND GROW THIS EXCELLENT GROUP OF EMPLOYEES, WE MUST INVEST IN THEM AS MUCH AS WE WOULD IN ROADS, BUILDINGS OR EQUIPMENT. THIS IS A SMALL INVESTMENT. NO MATTER WHAT YOU COMPARE IT TO. AND IF YOU'RE AS PROUD OF THESE EMPLOYEES AS WE ARE AND THANKFUL TO BE A PART OF MARYSVILLE SUCCESS, THAN INVEST IN THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE IT POSSIBLE, SUPPORT THEIR GROWTH, AND LET THEIR EXCELLENCE SHOW THE WORLD THAT MARYSVILLE IS WHERE THE GRASS IS GREENER, AND WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO WORK. AS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL WORKS EVERY DAY AS HARD AS WE CAN TO GIVE OUR CITY STAFF THE BEST ABILITY TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AS THEY CAN. NOW. FOR 20 YEARS, THIS TOWN HAS GROWN THROUGH RAPID GROWTH, UNSUSTAINABLE HOUSES THAT IS NOT PAYING THE CITY'S INCOME. YOU ONLY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN YOUR BUDGETS TO KEEP YOUR DEPARTMENT GOING, NOT TO HIRE MORE AND NOT TO HAVE BETTER EQUIPMENT, NOT TO DO BETTER, TO HAVE THE SAME PACE. THIS COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THE NEEDS AND WANTS OF ALL OF YOU. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO BE RUDE OR HATEFUL, IS THAT WHEN WE ARE UP HERE WANTING NEW ALBANY COMPANY TO DEVELOP, BUILDING BETTER HOUSING STOCK, BETTER SCHOOLS, BETTER ROADS, BETTER PARKS, WHICH WILL OVER OVERALL PROVIDE MORE INCOME AND REVENUE TO THIS CITY, WHICH WILL GIVE YOU ALL MORE MONEY, MORE VEHICLES, MORE TECHNOLOGY, MORE WHATEVER YOU WANT. I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS YOU SEE ON FACEBOOK, YOU HAVE THE SAME REGARD AND SUPPORTING US AS YOU DO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. AND THAT IS NOT ME BEING RUDE OR NASTY OR ANYTHING, BECAUSE THE THE GRIEF THAT WE GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA FROM THE COMMUNITY, NO ONE'S GOING TO WANT TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL AND BE GOOD LEADERS. NOW, YOU 
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ARE ALL CORRECT. WE'VE HAD GREAT WORKING STAFF, WE'VE HAD A GREAT COMMUNITY, AND IT'S EASY TO WORK HERE BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS EACH OTHER. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OVERHEAD, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH. BUT OVER TIME, THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE PEOPLE, MORE STAFF, MORE EVERYTHING. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS EASY TO WORK IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AS IT USED TO BE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE DEPARTMENTS, YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE. YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO TO GET SOMETHING DONE. WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF THAT, AND I THINK YOU ARE TOO. SO ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS WE DO RESPECT ALL OF YOU AND THE WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS PLACE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BUILT A CITY IN CONJUNCTION WITH US AND OUR RESIDENTS THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO LIVE HERE. BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY. SO THAT'S ALL THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY BEFORE HANK MAKES HIS COMMENTS. BUT I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW WE DO RESPECT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, AND I'M SORRY. SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE IT DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY. BUT WE DO, BECAUSE SOMETIMES ON THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE, WE FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT RESPECTED EITHER. 
          SO THANK YOU. I HAVE TO SAY, WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. YEAH. AND FRANKLY, OF COURSE I WISH I HAD THE SAME TALENT AND THE RESOURCES THAT YOU DID TO PUT ALL OF THIS TOGETHER, HOWEVER, YOU COULD TELL THE SAME STORY TO THE TAXPAYERS WHO ARE PAYING THE BILLS. IT'S THE TAXPAYERS. 
          YOU WERE LOOKING AT EMPLOYEES. WE REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF MARYSVILLE THAT CONSTANTLY, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH SCHOOL LEVIES, WHATEVER IT IS. YEAH, THEY THEY SEE AND THEY HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. YEAH. AND BELIEVE ME, I, I HAVE BEEN FOR 11 YEARS SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD THE 27 PAY PERIOD, YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. AND IT WAS JUST KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. AND NOW WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF THE ROAD. YEAH. WHAT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU FULLY ON THE 4% COLA. OKAY, NO PROBLEM THERE. EXCEPT THAT. THURSDAY. SORRY. FRIDAY I RECEIVED MY SOCIAL SECURITY AND MY SOCIAL SECURITY COLA IS 2.7% AND 2.7 FOR ANYBODY ELSE. YEAH, THAT THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NATIONAL. SO WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE ARE HIGHER. WE BEGINNING TO AVERAGE OUT. AND NOW WE ONLY HAVE 1% DIFFERENCE. YEAH. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES YEAH THAT WE ONLY INCREASED WAGES BY 4%. AND THE INFLATION WAS SEVEN. AND SUBSEQUENTLY WE HAVE MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT. SO WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND WHAT WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT IS THE FACT THAT THE 4% AND I ON THE OTHER HAND, WE MIX THE HOURLY EMPLOYEES WITH THE UNCLASSIFIED. YEAH. BECAUSE THE HOURLY. YEAH, THAT IS WHAT DRIVES THIS. YEAH. 
          IT'S THE FIRE CONTRACTS. IT'S THE POLICE CONTRACTS. IT'S WHAT WE DO FOR THE STREET DEPARTMENT. 
          YEAH, WE FOLLOW THOSE RULES. THE FIRE SAID A 4%. SO NOW WE HAVE A 4% INCREASE FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE FOR ALL OF ITS STAFF. WE'RE NOT DONE YET WITH THE POLICE, BUT I HOPE THAT THEY CAN STAY WITH THAT AS WELL. OKAY. SO IF WE TAKE THE 4% AND WE PUT THAT ON THE. AND WE PUT THAT ON THE UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS, YEAH. THE TOTAL OKAY. SO WE INCREASE THAT BY 4%. THEN WE GO WITH A 27TH PAY PERIOD OKAY. AND TARA WAS ABLE TO GIVE ME THE EXACT NUMBERS. YEAH. AND THEY CAME OUT. THE TOTAL COST FOR THE GENERAL FUND WAS 198,000. NOW THAT'S NOT MY PAPER, BUT THAT'S WHAT HR IS REFERRING TO. WE DEDUCT THE THE CHARGEBACKS. BUT FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS WE STILL LOOKING AT 34,000 ON TOP OF THAT. AND INDEED THE JUDGE HAS 
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ASKED ME WHAT IS YOUR OPINION. AND HE SAID HE WOULD DO WHAT WE WOULD DO FOR THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY. HE WOULD MIRROR THAT SAME. SO WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, YEAH, HE, HE, HE WOULD, HE WOULD WHATEVER WE DO FOR THE CITY, HE WOULD DO FOR HIS EMPLOYEES BECAUSE HE FEELS THAT THEY WORKING IN THE SAME BUILDING. AND HE WOULD BE GOING WITH THAT SAME. BUT NEITHER HERE THEY. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. YEAH. ESPECIALLY WITH THE UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS. 
          YEAH. THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL INCREASE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOTAL BETWEEN THE 198 TO 34 AND THE 30. YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 250,000. YEAH. AND THIS WILL GIVE THE EMPLOYEES FOR THE CITY A 4% COLA AND A 4.25% FOR THE 27TH PAY PERIOD. SO JUST JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE ARE WE ARE YOU COMBINING THE COLA AND THE 27TH PAY AND THE 250,000? NO, THE COLA IS SEPARATE. THE AMOUNT THAT I WAS GIVEN FOR THE 27TH PAY PERIOD. YEAH, WHICH IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 4%. AND THAT IS 250,000. BUT YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE TAKING THE CHARGEBACK OUT OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND, ADDING IT TO AN EXPENSE, BUT NOT LOWERING THE EXPENSE TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO YOU'RE ADDING THAT YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT ONE TOTAL. YEAH. FOR ALL THE THREE ENTERPRISE, FOR ALL THE THREE, I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST POINTING OUT, SURE, I FOLLOWED YOU AND YOU'RE ADDING UP ALL THE EXPENSES, WHICH I ASSUME YOUR MATH IS CORRECT. I DON'T DISAGREE. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE ADDING AN EXPENSE IN THERE TWICE. WE WE ADDING EXPENSES BECAUSE THEY DO OCCUR. YEAH. AFTER THE AFTER THE 4%. BUT THE EXPENSES GO BACK TO A FUND JUST LIKE CHARGEBACKS DO. SO THE EXPENSES ARE LOWERED IN ONE AREA BECAUSE EXPENSES ARE INCREASED IN ANOTHER. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YEAH, THE WORD WILL BE THAT THE EMPLOYEES OF THE UNCLASSIFIED ARE GETTING AN 8% PAY RAISE. THAT IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO AMOUNT TO. AND HOW DO YOU WANT US AS A COUNCIL? YEAH. TO TALK TO. HOW DO YOU WANT US AS A COUNCIL TO TALK TO THE TAXPAYERS AND SAY, WELL, WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A HALF PERCENT. YEAH. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE TOTAL IS, YEAH. FOR THE TAXPAYERS, IT'S A BIG AMOUNT. AND THAT'S THE ONES THAT WE ARE REPRESENTING. I WILL SAY THIS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I JUST GAVE THAT PRESENTATION AND OPEN SESSION. SO OBVIOUSLY I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT PRESENTATION BEING PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN. I MEAN, I EMPHASIZED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THROUGH THE BUDGETARY PROCESS, NOT ONLY ARE WE INVESTING IN STAFF, BUT WE'RE INVESTING IN ENHANCEMENTS TO SERVICE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM EXPLAINING TO A TAXPAYER THAT THESE ARE THE TWO AVENUES THAT WE SPENT MONEY ON. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE SPEND MONEY ON NON-PAYROLL. WE SPEND MONEY ON PAYROLL. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE BALANCE THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED NOT ONLY IS SUSTAINABLE, IT'S THE BEST FOR BOTH SIDES OF THOSE EXPENSES. AGAIN, THE NON PAYROLL AND PAYROLL AND CAPITAL. YEAH. BUT THEN IF WE AND I AGAIN I'VE BEEN EXTREMELY IMPRESSED. AND YEAH WE HAD A TWO HOUR MEETING ON FRIDAY TO GO OVER ALL THE DIFFERENT ONES. SO THERE IS NO THERE. THERE IS, THERE IS, THERE'S NOTHING BAD ABOUT THAT. IT IS JUST THAT EVERY 11 YEARS WE COME UP WITH THAT. AND THE OTHER THING THAT EMPLOYEES NEED TO AND I KNOW YOU ALLUDED TO IT AND SAID NOT CLASSIFIED BENEFITS THE CITY, BUT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU'RE EXEMPT OR CLASSIFIED, YOUR PAY STARTS JANUARY 1ST AND ENDS THE 31ST OF DECEMBER. THAT'S YOUR YEAR OF WORK. YEAH. IT'S NOT COUNCIL THAT WANTS TO PAY THE 27 PAY PERIODS. WE WANT TO HAVE THE EMPLOYEES HAVE THE 4% COLA WE WANT. WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT. YEAH, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU, ADMINISTRATION TO DECIDE HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WE DON'T HAVE A SAY OVER THAT. THAT IS NOT IN OUR LANE. YEAH. YOU YOU COME YOU COME WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO US AND SAY IT IS BEST TO DO A BIWEEKLY PAYMENT. YEAH. AND WE AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH, BUT IT'S YOUR REQUEST. BECAUSE IF YOU WOULD FIND A WAY TO GO TO BIWEEKLY FOR THE SALARY AND YOU GO, SORRY, YOU GO BI MONTHLY TO THE 
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SALARY. AND, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS WELL. YEAH. AND IT WAS NEVER SERIOUSLY TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE HAD NEVER LOOKED INTO IT AND GOT A PRICE QUOTE FROM A COMPANY THAT CAN DO THAT. WELL, WE WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DID ADDRESS IT. I MEAN, I THINK I ADDRESSED IT VERY WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT IT. YES. AND AGAIN YOU SAY A COMPANY. SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD OUTSOURCE PART OF OUR PAYROLL AND NOT THE OTHER PART? I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THERE IS NOTHING SIMPLER. YEAH. TO GO TO A A IF YOU WANT TO STAY LOCAL RICHWOOD BANK, THEY, THEY HAVE IT AND SAY HEY IT IS ALL SALARY. IT'S THE SAME EVERY MONTH AFTER MONTH. IT'S A MINIMAL EXPENSE. I, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU SIMPLY BECAUSE, AGAIN, AS I SAID, NOT ONLY ARE ALL THE CITIES THAT WE CONTACTED, WHICH ONCE AGAIN REPRESENT A BREADTH OF CITIES THAT INVOLVE LOWER INCOME, UPPER INCOME, CITIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING, CITIES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY STRUGGLING, AND THEY ALL MAINTAIN THEIR OWN PAYROLL. AND AGAIN, THEY OBVIOUSLY ALL PAY BIWEEKLY NOW. I MEAN, YES, I COULD CERTAINLY DO THE RESEARCH AND DETERMINE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PAY A PAYROLL COMPANY TO DO THE WORK THAT WE DO INTERNALLY. BUT I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN SAYING NOTHING ELSE BASED ON THE DATA AROUND US, THAT WE ARE DOING A BETTER JOB AND DOING IT MORE EFFICIENTLY AND COST EFFECTIVE DOING IT INTERNALLY. I MEAN, I HAVE ONE PERSON THAT DOES PAYROLL AND AGAIN, THEY'RE I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT STAFF. THEY'RE HOURLY. I MEAN, THEY AREN'T AMONG THE HIGHEST PAID IN THE CITY. I MEAN, I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT IF WE WERE TO SAY YOU NEED TO MANAGE THIS PAYROLL IN A $100 MILLION PLUS OPERATING BUDGET, THAT IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN PAYING ONE THING, BECAUSE, AGAIN, OTHER CITIES WOULD HAVE ADOPTED THIS IF IT WAS CHEAPER AND MORE EFFICIENT, OBVIOUSLY. WELL, ESPECIALLY IN THE GREAT RECESSION, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA, WE CANNOT MAKE THE DECISION. YEAH, I MEAN THAT THAT'S THAT WAS SOMETHING COUNCIL WANTED ME TO EXAMINE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO IF, MR. PRESIDENT, IF WE COULD. WE'VE GOT A VERY IMPORTANT ITEM COMING UP ON THE AGENDA. THIS HAS BEEN THIS HAS BEEN GOOD. AND THE ONLY REASON WE HAD TO GO TO THIS THIS EVENING WAS JUST BECAUSE WE WERE SHUT OUT OF ANY DISCUSSIONS OF THIS LEADING INTO THE BUDGET, AND WE WEREN'T REALLY AWARE OF WHAT POTENTIALLY WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TONIGHT. SAY SOMETHING. THAT IS IT. SO JUST A POINT I WANT TO BRING UP. AND BRAD, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU MADE THE ASSERTION THAT YOU TOOK A BEST GUESS AT APPLYING SOME OF THESE POINTS UP HERE BASED ON KIND OF MAYBE WHAT YOU HEARD AT YOUR MEETING THE OTHER WEEK. BUT WE HAD HAD A MEETING TWO MONTHS AGO TO TALK ABOUT 27 PAY PERIODS. SO THE ASSERTION THAT YOU GUYS ARE SURPRISED OR HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED IN ANY DISCUSSION, HADN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY DISCUSSIONS IS COMPLETELY FALSE. AND IT'S DECEPTIVE. I HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED. MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T, BUT WE I HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN ANY DISCUSSION. AND TARA, WE'VE DISCUSSED 27 PAY PERIODS, NOT A NEW TOPIC. SO THE IDEA THAT THIS JUST CAME UP LAST MINUTE IN THIS PRESENT, EXCUSE ME, AND THAT THIS JUST CAME UP AND THAT WE'RE PRESENTING THIS PAINTS A PICTURE THAT WE DIDN'T DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN CONTACTING YOU. AND THEN FURTHERMORE, TO TALK ABOUT A 4% COLA IN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST GUESSING THAT WE'RE WE'RE ASKING TO REDUCE THAT 4% HAS BEEN A POINT DISCUSSED IN UNION NEGOTIATIONS, RIGHT? YES, IT WAS A POINT DISCUSSED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT IS ALWAYS A MATTER THAT YOU SHOULD PROACTIVELY CONVEY YOUR RATIONALE FOR IMPLEMENTING THAT INTO THE BUDGET. SO I DO I DO THINK IT'S DISHONEST TO TO PAINT A PICTURE THAT WE DID NOT ENGAGE IN THAT DISCUSSION AHEAD OF TIME, BECAUSE WE DID. AND I WILL STAND BY THAT. I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING WAS NOT PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. MANAGER EMERY. YEAH, I BROUGHT THIS THAT VERY POINT UP DURING OUR FIRST READING. MISS MAINE WAS IN THE ROOM DURING FINANCE COMMITTEE AND ALL I SAID, I QUESTIONED THE 4%. I SAID, I WHAT DID I SAY? I SAID, THE MARKET SOFTENING IS 4% REASONABLE. THAT'S ALL I WANTED. AND NOW WE TURN THIS INTO A SPECTACLE. THIS, THIS THE THEATRICS TONIGHT. VERY WELL DONE, BRAD. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THE THE MATERIAL WAS WAS WHAT I WOULD HAVE LOOKED FOR. BUT I REQUESTED IT WEEKS AGO. AND LOOKING BACK 2019 PRIOR WE TALKED ABOUT THE HISTORY. AND THEN YOU SAID AGAIN A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUINE TONIGHT WHEN IT WAS WELL, NOBODY'S NOBODY'S ASKED ME THE QUESTIONS. I'M ON PUBLIC RECORD. YOU CAN GO TO FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES AND I'M, I'M, I'M ON THERE. IT'S IT'S RECORDED. SO 
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JUST TO CORRECT THE POINT THIS EVENING THAT IT WAS NOT A TOPIC, IT WAS A TOPIC. AND IT WAS NEVER WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT. IT WAS WE JUST WE JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE THE LOGIC BEHIND IT AND, AND MY IN MY GENERAL AND YOU, YOU, YOU YOU QUOTED ME MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT. OH, MR. BORDNER, YOU TALK ABOUT COMPOUNDING. I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONDESCENDING THE WAY THAT YOU APPROACHED THIS THIS EVENING. A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS TO THE TO THE PUBLIC. WHEN I WAS ELECTED, WE WERE ELECTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS WERE BEING SPENT WISELY. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I COMMITTED TO DO WHEN I SWORE IN TO THIS OFFICE, DECEMBER 18TH TO 2023, WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS DOING EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC'S TAX DOLLARS WERE SPENT WISELY. AND THE ONE THING, THE ONE THING THAT I EVEN HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IS BEING THROWN BACK IN MY FACE LIKE, OH, IT'S JUST $100,000. IT'S NOT JUST $100,000, IT'S 100,000 TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS 100% JUSTIFIED. AND I'M NOT. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WITH THE WITH THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IN. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WHAT THE WHAT THE MEMO WAS OR WHAT THE THERE WAS NO WHAT THE DIALOG WAS AT CITY HALL TODAY, BUT BUT ALL IT WAS WAS CAN CAN WE JUST JUSTIFY IT BECAUSE THAT TRANSPARENCY AND GOVERNMENT, THAT'S THE SECOND THING THAT I RAN ON. I'M TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE TAXPAYERS, HOW WE'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO IF THIS IS WHAT I SHOULD EXPECT AS THE FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON AND JUST SIMPLY QUESTIONING THE BUDGET, LIKE, IS THIS WHAT I SHOULD EXPECT YEAR OVER YEAR? NO. IS THIS WHAT I SHOULD EXPECT YEAR OVER YEAR? NO. WHEN WE GO THROUGH BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN DISCUSSION. BUT YOU GUYS WANT TO MAKE THIS COUNCIL LOOK LIKE WE DON'T CARE AND AND LIKE WE'RE THE BAD PEOPLE. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED AND I HAD NO IDEA. THE ONLY THING THAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I KNOW WHAT BRAD WAS SAYING ABOUT SPENDING MONEY ON THE VISIONING, AND EVERYONE WILL BLAME ME FOR IT. BUT I WANT TO MAKE ONE THING CLEAR TO ALL OF YOU THE REASON WHY THIS COUNCIL IS SPENDING MONEY ON VISIONING, BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION HASN'T DONE IT, AND IT TOOK FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GET ELECTED FOR US TO DO SOMETHING. SO YOU DIDN'T GET BROWNIE POINTS. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON WITH THE AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SAY ON THIS? DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON IT. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? MR. YES. THIS IS SECOND READING CITIZEN COMMENT. OKAY. CITIZENS, YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? KATHY YOUNG 425 WEST EIGHTH. ZACH I WASN'T AT THE MEETING. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S THE ISSUE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS. 27 PAY PERIODS. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S JUST A CALENDAR SITUATION. 
          IS THAT IT? WHAT'S THE SITUATION, MISS YOUNG? I'M SORRY. WAS AND I'M SITUATION. 
          I'LL HAVE A DIALOG BECAUSE IT WAS THE QUESTION. ALL THE NEGATIVITY UP HERE HAS HAS INFLUENCED ME. YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE SITUATION? IT WAS A SIMPLE ASK A MONTH AGO TO QUANTIFY THE 4%, SO WE COULD BE TRANSPARENT TO THE ONES THAT WE SERVE. YOU'LL SOON, SOON LEARN THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO MAKE US ME LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUY, BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW, I'M SITTING THERE GOING, WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT? IS THIS A CALENDAR SITUATION WHERE WE'RE JUST YOU? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO FALL ON JANUARY 1ST, AND NOW IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A HOLIDAY. IT'S DECEMBER 31ST. IS THAT THE ISSUE? THAT'S THE ISSUE, YES. I MEAN, WHY IS THAT AN ISSUE? IT HAPPENS EVERY FEW YEARS. WE HAVE LEAP YEAR. IS THAT WHY YOU. IS THAT THE ISSUE? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES. AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOME FRUSTRATION THAT I CAN SENSE FROM THE FACT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THIS AND OUR EARLIER DISCUSSION. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. YES. BECAUSE I'M SITTING HERE THINKING, CAN CITY COUNCIL NOT FIGURE OUT A CALENDAR? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING AS A CITIZEN BECAUSE I'M STILL A CITIZEN DOWN HERE. BUT THAT IS WHAT I'M THINKING. 
          YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT A CALENDAR. YOU KNOW, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT EXPENSES HAVE GONE UP 
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EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW? SO IF I WERE UP THERE, I'D PROBABLY VOTE FOR THE 4%. DISCOUNT. DOES ANY OTHER CITIZEN HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? IRA SUMMERVILLE I LIVE AT 437 WEST SEVENTH STREET. I AM ALSO A CITY EMPLOYEE. I'VE ONLY BEEN A CITY EMPLOYEE FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS, AND I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED, HONESTLY, BECAUSE I KIND OF THOUGHT CITY COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION WORKED TOGETHER. I, I GET A LOT OF THE TENSION THAT'S GOING ON UP HERE, BUT HONESTLY, I THOUGHT YOU GUYS ALL WORKED TOGETHER. THE THEATRICS THAT MAYBE COULD HAVE BEEN PERCEIVED WAS NOT THIS IS MY DAY OFF. I'M SEEING BUDGETS AND I'M A CITIZEN, SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BUDGET. MY WIFE WORKS FOR THE CITY, MY SON WORKS FOR THE CITY TO. BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET MONEY. AND I WANT TO KNOW ALL ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO AFFECT. BECAUSE I BUILT A HOUSE IN 99 HERE. I BOUGHT ANOTHER HOUSE ON SEVENTH STREET. I RAISED TWO KIDS IN MARYSVILLE. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS. MY WIFE'S FAMILY'S BEEN HERE SINCE THE 70S. WE CAME TO MARYSVILLE BECAUSE IT IS A SMALL TOWN THAT IS GROWING, AND IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE. AND AS FAR AS I'VE KNOWN FROM LONG AGO, THE JOHN GORES TIME AND ALL OF THAT, I'VE KNOWN CITY COUNCIL IN THE CITY TO WORK TOGETHER VERY WELL. 
          SO I DON'T MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING I'M MISSING BECAUSE I'M JUST A MERELY A SMALL, INSIGNIFICANT EMPLOYEE OR WHATEVER, BUT NOT TRUE. BUT I, I SEE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME TENSION HERE, BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN HERE THAT ARE CITY EMPLOYEES ARE THINKING THE SAME THING THAT I'M SAYING. I WOULD THINK. SO. THAT WOULD BE MOSTLY THE COMMON THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE THOUGHT, YOU GUYS ALL WORK TOGETHER AS ONE COHESIVE TEAM. SO IF MAYBE IF FEELINGS ARE BEING HURT OR SOMEONE'S FEELING NOT LISTENED TO, OR SOMEONE IS FEELING ATTACKED ABOUT SOMETHING, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT COMING FROM ME AND MOST EVERYBODY ELSE IN HERE, IT'S NOT COMING FROM US. SO ALSO BEING A CITIZEN, THE 106,000 TO $200,000 DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME IN TAXES. IT DOESN'T BECAUSE I CAN GO OVER TO A PARK. I CAN GO OVER TO PARTNERS PARK. I HAVE UPTOWN FRIDAY NIGHTS. I HAVE ALL THESE EVENTS THAT HAPPEN. WE'RE ABOUT READY TO LIGHT A GIGANTIC CHRISTMAS TREE ACROSS THE STREET. $200,000 IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT THIS CITY AND ITS EMPLOYEES GIVE TO THIS CITY EVERY YEAR. EVERY YEAR. WITHOUT US, THE PARKS ARE NOT LOOKED LIKE THEY LOOK. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE WATER, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SEWER, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE GOOD STREETS. ALL THESE THINGS WOULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT US AS EMPLOYEES. BUT THE REASON ALL OF US DO THAT IS BECAUSE A LOT OF US LIVE HERE. I LOVE MARYSVILLE, I RAISED TWO KIDS HERE FOR THIS VERY REASON. I'VE APPLIED FOR EVERY POSITION I COULD TO GET INTO THE CITY. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS NOW, WORKING IN FACILITIES, MAKING SURE ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE WORKING, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING EVERY DAY. I DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE DIVISION THAT WE HAVE FIRE, POLICE, STREETS, PARKS. WE ALL WORK AS ONE TEAM TO MAKE THE CITY WHAT IT IS NOW. AND IF THAT'S NOT WORTH $200,000 TO THE CITY, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO RETHINK WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          BECAUSE IF WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A CITY AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF, $200,000 IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET TO MAKE THE CITY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. FOR 25,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE COUNTING ON A COUPLE HUNDRED EMPLOYEES TO MAKE THIS CITY GREAT. SO I WILL GLADLY PAY THE EXTRA TAXES. I WILL DO ANYTHING I CAN TO MAKE THIS CITY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. PERIOD. PARAGRAPH. THAT'S WHY I WORK FOR THE CITY AND I ENCOURAGE OTHER PEOPLE TO WORK FOR THE CITY. AND I ENCOURAGE ALL PEOPLE TO ENGAGE IN ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS TO OFFER. BECAUSE WITHOUT THOSE THINGS, MARYSVILLE BE DEAD. AND WE ARE A COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE THINGS. SO WHATEVER IS HAPPENING BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION AND CITY COUNCIL, THAT NEEDS TO BE SQUASHED IMMEDIATELY SO WE CAN GET BACK TO DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING HERE AND BUILDING A CITY WE'RE ALL PROUD TO LIVE IN OR BE A PART OF. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT? HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? MY NAME IS JOSH CHURCH. I LIVE AT 336 GALLERY DRIVE. I'VE LIVED IN MARYSVILLE 
          [03:15:01]
FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS NOW. FULL DISCLOSURE I AM MARRIED TO A CITY EMPLOYEE. I DON'T WORK FOR THE CITY MYSELF, BUT I DO WORK IN THE CITY. I'M AN ELECTRICIAN. I'VE RAN SEVERAL DECENT SIZED PROJECTS HERE IN THE CITY, AND I. I LOVE MARYSVILLE, YOU KNOW IT. IT FILLS ME WITH A LOT OF PRIDE WHEN I GET TO WORK WITH SOME OF THE CITY GUYS, THE STREETS GUYS ON WHATEVER PROJECTS THEY'RE WORKING ON. I PAY TAXES JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HERE. I WAS PAYING MY TAXES, COMING IN TO TO CITY HALL BEFORE I EVEN MET MY WIFE, AND I WAS PAYING TAXES. I'VE ALWAYS HAD GREAT EXPERIENCES WITH THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY. I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW BRAD LUTZ A COUPLE TIMES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND I THINK HE'S A MAN OF HONOR, AND I THINK HE'S A MAN WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE AT HAND TONIGHT. AND OBVIOUSLY HE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THESE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M TAKING AWAY AFTER WATCHING THE PRESENTATION WAS WHERE THE NUMBERS FROM THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, HE DID A REAL GREAT JOB OF PRESENTING HOW THIS IS AFFORDABLE AND WHY THIS SHOULD HAPPEN JUST BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE MAKING AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FACTORS. BUT MAYBE THIS WAS DONE AT THE FIRST READING AND I JUST MISSED OUT ON IT. AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE FROM THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE, WHY THE NUMBERS AREN'T JIVING WITH WHAT MR. LUTZ SAID. SO I KNOW WE MADE COMMENTS ABOUT THE SOCIAL SECURITY AND I RESPECT THAT, BUT I THINK THOSE AREN'T EXACTLY APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISONS. IT'S JUST NOT, YOU KNOW? AND SO, YEAH, I THINK. THE CITY LIKE THE WORKERS ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE, WHAT THEY SHOULD BE THINKING NOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE CONTRACTS THAT POLICE AND FIRE HAVE GOTTEN OR WHY AREN'T WE UNIONIZED? AND I KNOW AS A TAXPAYER MYSELF, I WOULD MUCH RATHER YOU AND MR. LUTZ FIGURE THIS OUT AND GET THE WORKERS A REASONABLE RAISE WHILE WE STILL THE TAXPAYER, HAVE SOME MEASURE OF CONTROL OVER THE SITUATION UNTIL IT STARTS GOING TO A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WHERE WE LOSE MORE CONTROL. SO I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A DUAL MANDATE. I DO THINK, YES. YOU KNOW, MR. BORDNER, I THINK YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR. I AM A TAXPAYER. I SCOFF AT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY SPENDS MONEY ON. SOMETIMES I DO, BUT THIS IS ONE THING THAT IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE I'M MARRIED TO A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE THAT I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE CITY, BUT I DO THINK YOU HAVE A DUAL MANDATE TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS BY NOT LETTING THIS GO TO A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. LET'S JUST BE HONEST. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. WITH ANY OTHER CITIZENS LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. GO AHEAD. BRIAN CUNNINGHAM, 460 SCOTT FARMS. I ACTUALLY DIDN'T COME TO SPEAK ON THIS, BUT JUST SITTING HERE LISTENING TO IT. I MEAN, ISN'T IT FUNNY WE'RE ARGUING OVER 100, $200,000, AND OUR NEXT DISCUSSION HERE IS GOING TO BE GIVING TAX ABATEMENTS. THAT JUST KIND OF SETS THE TONE RIGHT THERE, DON'T IT? WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. OKAY. HEARING NONE. 
          THANK YOU ALL. WOULD COUNCIL IS THERE ANY COUNCIL COMMENTS. CAN I REQUEST THAT THE PACKET PAGE 224 BE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN? I JUST FEEL AS IF I COULD ADD SOME CLARITY TO THE POINT THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. YEAH. AND WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, BRAD, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY, JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE, ALSO FOR HOURLY EMPLOYEES, THERE IS NO CHANGE IN ANYTHING REGARDING WHAT YOU PRESENTED THERE AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SEVENTH PAY, THERE IS NO IMPACT ON HOURLY STAFF, HOURLY STAFF, AS WE'RE AGAIN AS THEY'RE CLASSIFIED, WOULD BE PAID THE 27 PAY REGARDLESS. MISS PROUDFOOT, COULD YOU SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM? I WANT TO LOOK AT THE, THE THE BOTTOM RIGHT HERE. SO IN THE 2026. BUDGET, THIS NOTE WASN'T REQUIRED BECAUSE THE 2026 HAD 26 PAY PERIODS. SO 20 IT WAS UNDERSTOOD AND RECOGNIZED THAT A 27 PAY PERIOD WOULD APPLY FOR 2026. SO TO THE TAXPAYER, YOU LOOK AT A SALARY OF ANYONE UP THERE ON THAT LIST. SO LET'S JUST TAKE $79,000, 957. AND TO THE TAXPAYER, THEIR MIND IS, WELL, THEN THAT PERSON SHOULD GET PAID 79,000 $957,000 FROM JANUARY 1ST TO DECEMBER 31ST. 
          WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE ADDED PAY PERIODS. IT IT IS NOT THAT FIGURE. IT'S ABOVE THAT FIGURE. 
          SO THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF TRUST OR ELEMENT OF TRANSPARENCY, RATHER THAT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS, 
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WHEN THEY LOOK AT THAT, THEY WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S TRANSPARENCY. AND WHEN WE VOTE ON SOMETHING, WE LOOK AT A NUMBER AND WE SAY, WELL, THAT'S THAT'S THE SALARY. THAT'S WHAT THAT PERSON WOULD BE PAID FOR IN 2026. AND SO SO THIS CAME UP IN 2015. TWO OF THE MEMBERS UP HERE WERE ON COUNCIL AT THAT POINT, AND THE SAME EXACT DISCUSSION HAD OCCURRED. AND COUNCILMAN BURBY HAS BROUGHT THIS UP FOR YEARS, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP A COUPLE MONTHS AGO IN DISCUSSIONS. SO IS THE 20 DOES THERE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATION FOR PERHAPS DISTRIBUTING THAT VALUE OVER 27 PAY PERIODS, OR HOW CAN THAT BE DONE? OR IN WHAT HAS BEEN A LONGER POINT OF DISCUSSION IS, IS COULD WE CHANGE THE PAY PERIOD SUCH THAT IT COULD THE THE PAYMENTS WOULD REFLECT WHAT IS ACTUALLY HERE. AND YOU KNOW, TO THE THE PERSON THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE INTRICACIES OF THE PAY PERIODS, IT'S CONFUSING AND IT YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T IT MAYBE NOT SEEMS TRANSPARENT. SO THAT WAS THE POINT OF DISCUSSION. AND IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM SHOULD ANY CITY EMPLOYEE FEEL LIKE LIKE YOU'RE BEING DEVALUED. YOU GUYS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. YOU'RE THE BACKBONE OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, ASSESSING IT, ENSURING TRANSPARENCY, UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING HERE. OF COURSE, THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT WAS ANOTHER POINT, BUT THAT'S A THAT'S A DISCUSSION POINT THAT COMES UP NATURALLY. ANNUALLY ARE THE THE BIGGEST AUTHORITY THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS IS THE POWER OF THE CHECKBOOK. SO WE'RE TOLD. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THE MONEY. WE HAVE TO ENSURE TAXPAYER YOU KNOW, TAXPAYERS ARE WELL REPRESENTED. WE HAVE TO ENSURE WE HAVE AN ADEQUATE AND GREAT CITY STAFF, WHICH WE DO. IT'S JUST THIS POINT HAD COME UP. IT'S NOTED HERE. THIS NOTE, LIKE I SAY, WAS NOT THERE LAST YEAR. IT'S A DEVIATION. IT WAS EXPECTED, IT WAS DISCUSSED AND IT WAS DISCUSSED FOR MONTHS. 
          AND IT'S BEEN A POINT OF DISCUSSION FOR SOME YEARS ACTUALLY AMONGST CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. SO THAT'S THE DISCUSSION. WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WHY IS IT SO HARD TO JUST FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S A CALENDAR ISSUE. IT CAME UP TEN YEARS AGO WHEN THIS SAME EXACT THING CAME THROUGH. I WAS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT IT CAME UP THEN. IT'S COMING UP NOW. IT COMES UP EVERY 10 OR 11 YEARS. MR. PRESIDENT, JUST ONE THING. AND I, I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. THERE IS NOT ONE CITY THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THAT CHANGES THIS TO THE MANNER IN WHICH COUNCIL IS GOING TO PROPOSE TONIGHT, AND THAT THEY DID IN 2015. YOU'RE SAYING THAT. YES, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THERE'S NO CITY THAT I HAVE TALKED TO, NOT ONLY LOCALLY AROUND HERE OR WHEN I WAS AT THE ICMA CONFERENCE THAT ADJUSTS IT. NOW, I THINK I FOUND A TOWNSHIP THAT DID IT. I THINK I FOUND A TOWNSHIP THAT THAT DID IT, BUT NO, NO CITY THAT I'M AWARE OF. AND IF YOU HAVE IT, TELL US. AND IF IT'S COMMONPLACE OUT THERE, I'M I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT IT'S NOT THE COMMON THING IS IT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE EVERY 11 YEARS. AND IF YOU'RE IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT AND YOUR BUDGET CAN WORK, EVERYTHING WITHIN THE BUDGET CITIES ARE JUST INCLUDING IT. SO THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME, IS WE'RE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING ANYWHERE ELSE. I GUESS. I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY EARNING LIKE $79,000 ON HERE. TO BRAD'S POINT, THERE AREN'T EXACTLY 52 WEEKS IN A YEAR. SO THAT PERSON WORKS 52 WEEKS AND A DAY OR IN A LEAP YEAR TWO AND THAT PAYCHECK GO THAT EXTRA DAY OR TWO IS PAID IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR. WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT DAY ADDS UP THE NEXT YEAR. ANOTHER DAY ADDS UP THE NEXT YEAR. YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LEAP YEAR THAT YOU ADDED TO THESE DAYS ACCUMULATE. YOU DIDN'T GET PAID FOR THAT EXTRA DAY OR THAT EXTRA DAY OF THE YEAR, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SHIFTING NUMBER OF PAY DAYS, EVENTUALLY IT WORKS ITS WAY INTO THE YEAR. SO, I MEAN, IT HAPPENS. IT YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENED AT MY PREVIOUS JOB. 
          IT HAPPENED AT HONDA. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A SALARY AND THAT SALARY WAS CONVERTED TO A 40 HOUR WORK WEEK. AND THE PAYROLL IS NOW IT'S 80. THE PAYROLL SYSTEM IS PUT IN PLACE THAT ACCOUNTS FOR YOUR ACCUMULATED LEAVE BASED ON WORKING THAT WEEK. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD IMPLEMENT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS A NEW SYSTEM THAT THAT WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR PEOPLE'S WORK HOURS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. THEY WOULD SOME HALF MONTHS, THEY MIGHT HAVE EIGHT DAYS, SOME HALF MONTHS, 
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THEY MIGHT HAVE 12 DAYS. AND YOU'RE ACCUMULATING YOUR VACATION, YOUR LEAVE TIME, YOUR SICK TIME AT DIFFERENT RATES ON DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE MONTH TO IMPLEMENT A NEW SYSTEM AND HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE RUN THE SECOND SYSTEM AND PROGRAM THAT I DON'T SEE HOW THAT COULD EVEN BE DONE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. IT'S I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU DEAL WITH PAYROLL OR TIME AND ATTENDANCE AT HONDA. YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. THAT WHOLE SYSTEM I MEAN, IT'S INDUSTRY WIDE. THEY USE THAT SAME SYSTEM EVERYWHERE. AND TO CREATE A A NEW CALCULATION METHOD JUST FOR ONCE EVERY 11 YEARS, I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S FEASIBLE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT QUICKLY. I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD HERE MY THOUGHT PROCESS IN THIS BECAUSE I HAVE I'M RELATIVELY NEW ON COUNCIL. THIS IS MY FIRST BUDGET CYCLE, SO I HAVE TRIED TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE TO FIND OUT WHERE THESE PERSPECTIVES ARE COMING FROM. I WILL TELL YOU HONESTLY, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SALARIED EMPLOYEES HERE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF HOURLY EMPLOYEES OF THIS CITY WHO EVERYTHING IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME NEXT YEAR FOR THEM. SO TO HAVE IT FRAMED AS IF WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE SOME FEEDBACK ON CITY ADMINISTRATION NOW THAT THIS IS ALL COME UP AND THAT TECHNICALLY WE'RE WE'RE TREATING HOURLY EMPLOYEES DIFFERENT THAN SALARIED EMPLOYEES. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE ORDINANCES IN WHICH WE'RE ALLOCATING WAGES, I SEE SECTION TWO, WHICH SAYS THE ANNUAL SALARIES FOR ALL UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, WHICH IS THE LIST WE SAW THERE. SO WITH THIS NOTE, AND I'M NOT STATING HERE FOR OR AGAINST THE 27 PAY PERIOD, BUT ULTIMATELY WITH THE 27TH PAY PERIOD, THEN WE HAVE ALLOCATED THESE WAGES IN ANNUAL SALARIES AND SOMEBODY ON A SALARY WILL HAVE MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE ALLOCATED IN THIS YEAR ACCORDING TO OUR ORDINANCE. I AM NOT MAKING ANY JUDGMENTS. 
          COUNCILPERSON KRAMER, IF I COULD SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. WITH REGARDS TO THE HOURLY, THOSE WAGES REFLECT A 2080 HOURS, WHICH IS BASED ON A STANDARD 26 PAY CYCLE YEAR. SO THOSE WAGES ARE NOT CORRECT WITH REGARDS TO THE 27 PAYS. THE HOURLY EMPLOYEES WILL GET NEXT YEAR. 
          JUST TO BE CLEAR, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN? THE IF YOU FLIP TO THE SECOND PAGE OR THE THIRD PAGE, I BELIEVE IT IS IN THAT DOCUMENT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE THE RANGES LISTED AN HOURLY THERE'S HOURLY AMOUNT. THAT IS WHAT WE PAY THOSE PERSONS. THE ANNUAL WAGES IN THERE IS REFLECTIVE OF 2080 HOURS. THAT IS 40 HOURS TIMES 52 WEEKS. NEXT YEAR THEY WILL GET PAID 2160 HOURS BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL 27 PAYS. WITH THE WAY THE CYCLE WORKS. SO THEY WILL BE PAID AN ADDITIONAL ALLOTMENT OF 80 HOURS NEXT YEAR AND IT WILL BE ADDED TO THEIR ANNUAL WAGES. OKAY. AND SO BUT ULTIMATELY THEN THEY WOULD STILL GET THEIR HOURLY RATE FOR THE HOURS THEY WORKED WOULD BE THIS HOURLY RATE CORRECT? THE SALARY WOULD NOT MATCH AND SO WOULD BE HIGHER CORRECTLY TO ME. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING, BUT WE ALLOCATE AN HOUR. SO WHEN AN HOURLY STAFF MEMBER IS EMPLOYED, THEY'RE GIVEN AN HOURLY RATE, WHETHER IT BE A 26 OR 27 PAY PERIOD, YEAR. EVERY HOUR THEY WORK, THEY GET PAID FOR THAT HOUR. 
          THAT'S THE BASIS OF THEIR PAY THAT WILL STAY CONSISTENT IN EVERY YEAR. IF WE LOOK AT THE ALLOCATION FOR THE ANNUAL SALARIES. THEIR PAY WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE ALLOCATED TO THEM BY ORDINANCE. WELL, WE HAVE THE NOTE. AND AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON THAT 27 PAY BECAUSE IT IS A VERITABLE PAY. WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS OVERSTATE THEIR ANNUAL WAGES. 
          SO IT'S A COMPOUNDING ISSUE GOING FORWARD. IF WE OVERSTATE THAT, THEN NEXT YEAR WE WOULD BE COMPOUNDING THAT NUMBER BY EVEN MORE THAN WE WANT TO DO. SO WE DO WANT TO HAVE, I GUESS, SOME TRANSPARENCY WITH STICKING TO A CONSISTENCY. BECAUSE WE ENGAGE IN A BIWEEKLY CYCLE. WE 
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MAKE A CONTRACT WITH THAT EMPLOYEE EVERY TWO WEEKS. WE ARE GOING TO PAY. AND SO WE DIVIDE THAT OVER 26. THAT'S THE STANDARD PRACTICE. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IN IN GOING FORWARD IS WE WANT TO DO THAT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, REGARDLESS OF THIS 27 PAY, BECAUSE THAT IS A STANDARD PRACTICE OF HOW MOST EMPLOYEES ARE TREATED, BECAUSE WE HAVE THA. SO THIS IS A VERITABLE ONE TIME IT WILL INCREASE. BUT TO COUNCILMAN MURPHY'S POINT, IT'S NOT A WAGE INCREASE TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT COMPOUND GOING FORWARD YEAR TO YEAR NEXT YEAR, MORE THAN LIKELY IN THE BUDGET CYCLE, YOU'LL SEE THE BUDGET. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THIS IS A GUIDE. THE ANNUAL WAGE ORDINANCE HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A GUIDE BECAUSE WE HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO START MID-YEAR, AND WE WILL PUT AN ANNUAL AMOUNT IN THERE. SO WE DO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW TO DIVIDE BY 26 OR 27 PACE BASED ON THAT ANNUAL AMOUNT. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO START AT VARIOUS TIMES. IT'S A GUIDE. THE BUDGET IS THE DRIVING FORCE OR THE DRIVING FACTOR TO MAKE SURE WE PUT SOMETHING FORWARD THAT'S FAIR AND EQUITABLE TO ALL STAFF AND CITIZENS. OKAY. AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M COMING AT A PLACE WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT FAIRNESS IN MANY, MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I DID ALSO ASK THE QUESTION TO TO. FINANCE DIRECTOR LUTZ ABOUT HOW THE. SO SWITCHING TO BI MONTHLY PAY IS COMPLICATED, BUT ACTUALLY CHANGING THE THE RATE OF PAY FOR THE DIVIDING THE ANNUAL PAY BY 27 AND ADJUSTING THE PAYCHECKS THAT WAY IS NOT A COMPLICATED PROCESS. AND I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY. SO WE ALL HAVE CORRECT INFORMATION. 
          YES, THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHY DON'T WE JUST GIVE EVERYBODY THE PAYCHECK ON JANUARY 2ND? THERE WOULD BE 27 PAYS IN 2027. I'M SORRY. I MEAN, NO MATTER HOW YOU CUT THE CALENDAR, IT DOES HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE CYCLE. JUST A POINT IN COUNTERPOINT. 
          OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF WILL BE WORKING IN THAT 2160 HOURS THIS YEAR, TOO. AS BRAD MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DO TRACK THE HOURS. HE TALKED ABOUT THE HOURS. SO THAT IS A CHANGE IN THIS COMING YEAR. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST PART OF THE DEAL THAT WE'RE FACED WITH ON A BI WEEKLY CYCLE. 
          ANY ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY? I JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ADJUST, IF YOU ADJUST THE HOURLY RATE, YOU'RE GIVING PEOPLE A PAY CUT EVERY TWO WEEKS. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE HOME 4% LESS EVERY TWO WEEKS. THAT'S NOT PAYING THEM THE SAME. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S CUTTING WHAT THEY'RE TAKING HOME. I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW IT ALIGNS WITH THE CALENDAR, BUT WE'D BE HAVING A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION IF WE HAD A PAY DAY ON A TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY OR MONDAY. I MEAN, IT JUST IT'S A CALENDAR ISSUE. AND TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT JUST TO FIT THIS WITHIN A CALENDAR MEANS THAT WE'RE CUTTING PEOPLE'S PAY TO MAKE IT FIT WITHIN CALENDAR. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEY'RE WORKING THE SAME 80 HOURS, THEY'RE WORKING THE SAME NUMBER OF DAYS IN THE YEAR. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CUTTING THEIR PAY. 
          I MEAN, THAT NOBODY HERE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT IT AT YOUR OWN JOB IF IF YOUR EMPLOYER SAID, WELL, WE WANT TO FIT IT WITHIN THE CALENDAR YEAR BECAUSE WE PAY YOU EVERY TWO WEEKS. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO CUT YOUR PAY BY 4% SO THAT FOR OUR CALENDAR IT'S THE SAME, HEY, IT'S NOT A CUT. YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME BECAUSE IT FITS IN OUR CALENDAR. I MEAN, IT'S NOT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WORK 80 HOURS IN TWO WEEKS. THEY SHOULD BE TAKING HOME THE SAME PAY FOR THOSE TWO WEEKS. MR. AMES, IF I MAY CORRECT YOU, THAT'S WHY WE AGREED TO THE 4% INCREASE THE COLA. IF YOU TAKE THE WHOLE YEAR AND YOU DIVIDE IT BY 27. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT COMES TO 3.7%. SO THAT'S WHY WE SAID WE DO THE 4%. SO THAT THE MONTHLY SORRY THAT THE WEEKLY PAYMENT IS CLOSE TO WHAT THEY HAD THIS YEAR AND THEN THAT THIRD MONTH, THAT'S WHEN THEY GET AN EXTRA PAYCHECK. YEAH. BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IF SOMEBODY IF YOU LOOK AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR WHOLE YEAR. BUT WE WE MADE IT SO THAT IT WOULD WORK, THAT THE MONTHLY PAYMENT WOULD BE EQUAL TO THIS YEAR. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WOULD BE ONE MORE MONTH THAT THEY WOULD GET AN EXTRA PAYCHECK. AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THIS TIME? 
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YEAH. IS THAT BY PAYING THE PAYCHECK, WE GIVE AN ADDITIONAL 4%, WHICH COMES UP TO A TOTAL OF 8%. WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM 8% MORE EVERY TWO WEEKS. THAT'S THE POINT. THEY'D BE GETTING 4% MORE EVERY TWO WEEKS. WELL, 4% COLA. THEY WOULD GET 4% MORE EVERY TWO WEEKS. THEIR PAYCHECK WOULD ONLY BE 4% HIGHER. IT'S A CALENDAR ISSUE. I MEAN, I AND WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T DO THIS. I MEAN, AT HONDA, I HAD AN ANNUAL SALARY AND THEY CONVERTED IT TO AN HOURLY RATE FOR THE SAME SYSTEM. AND GUESS WHAT? EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU HAD AN EXTRA PAY PERIOD. THEY DIDN'T CUT YOUR PAY SO THAT IT FIT WITHIN THEIR CALENDAR. I MEAN, IF IF I GOT A 4% RAISE, I GOT A 4% RAISE THAT EVERY TWO WEEKS. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT A CALENDAR ISSUE. AND THE I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO CUT SOMEONE'S SALARY BY 3.7% AND GIVE THEM A 4% RAISE AND SAY IT'S A WASH, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT ADDITIONAL PAYCHECK THAT THAT EMPLOYEE GETS? BECAUSE THAT EMPLOYEE WILL STILL GET. BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE EVERY TWO WEEKS THEY GET A PAYCHECK. OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S JUST WHAT DAY THAT FALLS. 
          OKAY. WELL, WE'LL JUST WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT FOR WHAT IT IS AND I'LL GO BACK. IF THERE WERE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT DID THE WAY YOU'RE PROPOSING, I'D SAY DO IT, BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY THAT DOES IT. I WISH, I, I WISH THERE WAS A PRACTICE OF THAT OUT THERE, BUT I'M NOT SEEING IT FROM ANYBODY THAT WE'VE TALKED TO WITH THE EXACT SAME THING WITH ALL THE HOURLY EMPLOYEES. WHEN WE LOOK AT SECTION FOUR, RANGE ONE THROUGH 20, IT LISTS THEIR HOURLY RATE AND IT LISTS AN ANNUAL RATE. BUT GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME SITUATION FOR ALL THE HOURLY EMPLOYEES. YOU KNOW, RANGE $1,027 AN HOUR, $56,000 A YEAR. GUESS WHAT? IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE MORE THAN $56,000 A YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S 27 PAYCHECKS. BUT HOW DO WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT IS IN WHAT WE CALL THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, WE WE PLAN FOR THAT AND WE APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS TO COVER IT. AND THAT'S BEEN PLANNED AND PUT INTO THIS BUDGET THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON NOVEMBER 
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24TH, 2025. ORDINANCE YOU FIRST READING INTRODUCTION TO APPROVE THE EXECUTION OF A COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND ANNA DONNA, LLC, AND A DONATION AGREEMENT AMONG THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION FOR THE MARYSVILLE EXEMPTED VILLAGE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION OF THE OHIO HIGH POINT TECHNICAL AND CAREER CENTER SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT CORPORATION OF UNION COUNTY. I HAVE A PRESENTATION TO PULL UP. MR. PRESIDENT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BOTH MATT MCQUAID AND ERIC PHILLIPS TAG TEAMING TONIGHT, GIVING YOU ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED REGARDING THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION. GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, CITY LEADERSHIP. THANKS FOR HAVING ME HERE THIS EVENING. MATT MCQUAID REPRESENTING THE MARYSVILLE LAND COMPANY. SO ERIC AND I THANK YOU. MCKENZIE ARE GOING TO SPLIT THIS PRESENTATION INTO TWO, TWO PARTS. I'M GOING TO TAKE PROBABLY FIVE QUICK MINUTES TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AND THE PLANNING WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS SPECIFIC SITE TO ENABLE THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE TO COMPETE FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND THEN ERIC HAS A LOT OF GREAT CONTEXT ON THE FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THE CITY WILL SEE AS A RESULT OF THE ABATEMENT AND THE PROJECT LOCATING TO THE MARYSVILLE SOUTH SITE. SO FIRST THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THIS IS A SITE THAT HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THIS SPECIFIC MAP IS FROM THE CITY'S MOST RECENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE YEARS 2018 THROUGH 2023. IT'S FAIRLY OBVIOUS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA, THE INTERCHANGE, THE RAILROAD, INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY, THE OTHER MANUFACTURING USES, SO ON AND SO FORTH DICTATE WHAT MAKES SENSE TO GO IN THAT GENERAL AREA, LIST ALL THESE THINGS OUT. 
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THAT IS WHAT DROVE OUR INTEREST IN MARYSVILLE SOUTH IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND AS EVERYBODY IN HERE IS WELL AWARE, WE HAVE BEEN COLLABORATIVELY PLANNING PRE-DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES ON THE SITE FOR TWO YEARS NOW. WHEN WE FIRST GAINED CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY, THERE WERE SEVERAL PRIMARY BARRIERS TO DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE LISTED HERE. THERE WERE MULTIPLE OWNERS. IT WAS A SPLIT ZONING DISTRICT. THE SITE CONDITIONS WERE UNKNOWN, AND THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS THAT DID EXIST DID NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT BUFFERS FOR TRANSITION AND USES, PARTICULARLY TRANSITION IN USE FROM THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND TOWARD THE WEST TO THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE OFF OF WEAVER ROAD. SO I LIST HERE SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT WE'VE DONE TO ENABLE DEVELOPMENT GETTING IT UNDER COMMON CONTROL, GETTING IT UNDER A SINGLE ZONING DISTRICT THAT DOES TREAT THE TRANSITION AND USE BETTER FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE TO THE WEST OF THE SITE. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH THE CITY FOR AN AREA THAT EXPANDS BEYOND MARYSVILLE SOUTH AND INCLUDES MARYSVILLE EAST AS WELL, WITH A NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY OVER TOP OF IT TO RAISE FUNDS TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND HELP DEVELOPMENT PAY FOR ITSELF. SO MAP OF THE SITES UP HERE. AND THIS IS JUST TO EXPRESS WHY IT MAKES SENSE FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE HEAVY MANUFACTURING DOWN ON THE CORNER OF SCOTTS LAWN AND INDUSTRIAL. WITH SCOTTS YOU HAVE THE HERITAGE TERMINAL, YOU HAVE PARKER HANNIFIN, YOU HAVE THE FAIRFIELD 33 INDUSTRIAL PARK. YOU HAVE AN ACTIVE AIRPORT TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE. YOU HAVE A CLASS ONE RAILROAD THAT BOUNDS THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE. YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE EAST, PREDOMINANTLY SOMEWHAT TO THE SOUTH. YOU HAVE THE AIRPORT TO THE NORTH. AND AGAIN, THE AREA THAT WE HAVE SPENT TIME TO TAKE THE MOST CARE OF IS AREAS TO THE WEST WHERE YOU HAVE A TRANSITION FROM PLANNED INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. SO THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR TWO YEARS TO MINIMIZE IMPACT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WEST OF THE SITE ARE ONE YOU MAY RECALL WHEN WE WERE REZONING. THIS ACCESS IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY ISSUES THAT WAS IDENTIFIED, PARTICULARLY INCREASING TRAFFIC ON SCOTTS LAWN AND WEAVER ROAD. FOR THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR, WE HAVE BEEN PLANNING AN OVERPASS THAT WILL CONNECT THE SITE FROM INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY OVER THE CSX RAILROAD TRACK WE TRACKS. WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON OUR DESIGN AND ENGINEERING WITH THE RAILROAD, BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT IS FOR THE MAIN ACCESS POINT FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE FROM INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY. IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON EITHER SCOTTS LAWN OR WEAVER ROAD. WHEN WE REZONE THE PROPERTY, THE SETBACKS WERE NOT FAVORABLE TO ANYBODY LIVING OFF OF WEAVER IN THE PREVIOUS ZONING. WE INCREASED THOSE SETBACKS TO 150FT FOR PAVEMENT FROM THE RESIDENTS ALONG WEAVER ROAD, 200FT FOR BUILDING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE PUT IN THE ZONING THAT ALONG THOSE RESIDENCES ON WEAVER, THERE WILL BE A 12 FOOT MOUND WITHIN THAT SETBACK SETBACK AREA WITH SIX FEET OF LANDSCAPING TO SUFFICIENTLY BUFFER AND SCREEN RESIDENTS FROM ANY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BUILT ON THE SITE. WE ALSO WERE CLEAR THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE WILL NEED TO ABIDE BY THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE SOUND ORDINANCE, SO BETWEEN THE SCREENING, THE BUFFERING, THE NOISE, THE SOUND ORDINANCE, WE THINK THAT THAT IS LEAPS AND BOUNDS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE PREVIOUS ZONING DID TO PROTECT RESIDENCES ALONG WEAVER ROAD, UNDERSTAND THAT WATER AND WATER CONSERVATION IS ALWAYS A CONCERN. AND AT THE SAME TIME, I'M GOING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT HERE. BUT THE USER THAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS GOING TO BE A CUSTOMER OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE FOR WATER AND SEWER. THEY HAVE NO PLANS TO DRILL ON SITE WELLS. SO I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THAT UPFRONT, KNOWING THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DRIVES CONCERN. THIS IS JUST THE ZONING MAP THAT SHOWS THE SETBACK AREA ALONG WEAVER ROAD, THE SETBACKS EVERYWHERE ELSE AROUND THE SITE ARE 50FT FOR PAVEMENT, 100FT FOR BUILDING. LIKE I SAID, FOR THOSE RESIDENTS ALONG WEAVER, IT'S 150 AND 200. WITH THIS LANDSCAPE MOUND IN BETWEEN THE MARYSVILLE SOUTH SITE AND THEIR 
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YARDS. SO PROJECT SCOPE, ERIC'S GOING TO GET INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT SO THE ANODONTA LLC PROJECT IS GOING TO CREATE 50 FULL TIME OPERATIONAL JOBS. THE TOTAL PAYROLL ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE JOBS IS 4.75 MILLION ON A PER JOB BASIS. THAT IS ROUGHLY DOUBLE WHAT THE AVERAGE INCOME INDIVIDUAL INCOME IS IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. SO THESE ARE HIGH PAYING JOBS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS IS A HYPERSCALE DATA CENTER. SO THEY WILL HAVE CONTRACTORS, CONSULTANTS, CUSTOMERS ON SITE ON A DAILY BASIS. SO IN ADDITION TO THOSE 50, THERE WILL BE MORE PEOPLE ENTERING AND EXITING THE SITE THAT ARE IN MARYSVILLE SPENDING THEIR MONEY IN THE CITY. THE CONSTRUCTION IMPACT IS ALSO GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIAL. THERE WILL BE SEVERAL HUNDRED SKILLED TRADES AND CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ON SITE FOR EACH PHASE OF THE PROJECT. THEY'RE ONLY COMMITTING TO ONE PHASE RIGHT NOW. SO THESE NUMBERS ARE FOR ONE PHASE. THERE WOULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR MORE, BUT THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE CITY AS WELL. ERIC'S PRESENTATION IS GOING TO WALK THROUGH SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN WE'RE NOT JUST HERE TO REQUEST THE ABATEMENT, BUT ALSO THE ABATEMENT COMES WITH A DONATION AGREEMENT TO THE CITY, THE SCHOOLS AND OHIO HI-POINT CAREER CENTER. ERIC IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN DETAIL WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE PILOT, WHAT THE PILOT IS GOING TO BE AS WELL. THE ONE THING THAT I DON'T HAVE HIM MENTIONING IS THE NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. AND BASED ON THE INVESTMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT, THE LAND ALONE WILL GENERATE ABOUT $400,000 PER YEAR INTO THE NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. AND WHEN EACH BUILDING IS BUILT, THAT WILL ADD ABOUT $450,000 PER YEAR IN THE NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. KEEP IN MIND THAT FOR THE MARYSVILLE SOUTHEAST NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY, THERE'S ABOUT $110 MILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE EXPENSES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT ARE ALSO MEMORIALIZED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THIS HELPS PAY FOR THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE EXPENSES. THAT COULD BE THE OVERPASS THAT IS CREATING THE ACCESS FROM INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY TO THE SITE. THAT ALSO CAN BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO START BUILDING IN MARYSVILLE EAST NEXT YEAR, WHICH INCLUDES OUR ACCESS ROAD AND WATER AND SEWER. SO FOR THE FINANCIAL STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE FOR MARYSVILLE SOUTH, MARYSVILLE EAST AND HOW THE NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY PAYS INTO IT, THIS IS A VERY ADVANTAGEOUS WAY TO GET THINGS STARTED BY TAKING A PROJECT WITH THIS KIND OF VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, PUT IT IN THE NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY TO GET THINGS STARTED. IT STARTS GENERATING THAT REVENUE, AND THAT HELPS US PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AS WE GO ALONG. 
          THIS IS JUST MY SUMMARY SLIDE ABOUT BIG PICTURE, WHAT THIS PROJECT MEANS TO MARYSVILLE. IT IS ACTIVATING INDUSTRIAL LAND THAT HAS BEEN ENVISIONED FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, ALMOST A DECADE. AT THIS POINT. THERE HAVE BEEN FITS AND STARTS WITH IT. THERE WAS A MULTIPLE PROCESSOR THAT WAS GOING TO LOCATE THERE. IT DIDN'T. SO BUT IT'S NOT THERE. 
          THIS WILL ALLOW THE SITE TO START GENERATING REVENUE FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE SCHOOLS. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE A MAJOR IMPACT ON TRAFFIC, ON DEMAND FOR HOUSING, ON STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOLS. AND I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN ERIC'S PRESENTING HIS REVENUE GENERATION NUMBERS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING HERE, WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS, OPERATIONS, THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE SOMETIMES LIVING IN MARYSVILLE OR COMING TO WORK HERE THAT ARE GOING TO GO SPEND THEIR MONEY AT LOCAL BUSINESSES IN THE UPTOWN AND ELSEWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY. THIS BRINGS NEW REVENUE TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES. I ALREADY MENTIONED THE NCAA. I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH THAT. ERIC IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROJECTIONS FOR REVENUE FOR SCHOOLS AND GOVERNMENT. I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THESE ARE HIGHER WAGE JOBS THAN THE AVERAGE ONE IN THE COMMUNITY. IT IS ALSO A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDENTS THAT ARE BEING EDUCATED IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE TO SEE A HIGH TECH EMPLOYER IN THEIR COMMUNITY THAT THEY COULD WORK FOR SOMEDAY, THAT IS BASED ON THEIR CORPORATE CULTURE, PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY INVOLVED IN EDUCATION, ESPECIALLY STEM EDUCATION IN THE COMMUNITY TO BEGIN WITH. SO IT'S GOING TO OPEN IMAGINATIONS TO NEW POSSIBILITIES, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EMPLOYER HERE WHERE THEY CAN WORK. AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S A CRAZY ECONOMY THAT WE'RE LIVING IN RIGHT NOW. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ELEMENT OF ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION THAT IS GOING TO HELP THE CITY. AS INDUSTRIES RISE AND FALL. SO 
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WITH THAT, THE PROJECTS REQUESTING 100% 15 YEAR ABATEMENT WITHIN THE CITY'S INNOVATION CRA DISTRICT, IT IS STILL A COMPETITIVE PROJECT. SO THE OTHER THING THAT I NEED TO STRESS HERE IS THIS IS NOT A RETAIL OPERATION, LIKE A TARGET OR A MEYER THAT'S JUST LOOKING AT ROOFTOPS. AND IF SUFFICIENT INCOME EXISTS IN AN AREA, THEY'RE GOING THERE. THIS IS A COMPANY THAT HAS $1 BILLION INVESTMENT THAT IT'S CONSIDERING MULTIPLE STATES, AND IT IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO CHOOSE THE LOWEST RISK OPTION THAT ALSO GIVES THE MOST FAVORABLE RETURN. SO IT IS NOT A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THEY ARE REQUESTING AN ABATEMENT, BUT THAT ABATEMENT IS GOING TO UNLOCK NEW REVENUE FOR THE CITY, WHICH I'M GOING TO TURN THINGS OVER TO ERIC AND TALK TO TALK ABOUT NOW. AND WE'LL BOTH ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN HE'S THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU MATT. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. BACK AT A PRESENTATION HERE. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, TALK ABOUT FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS, AND THEN CLOSE WITH SOME TIMELINES AND SOME OTHER THINGS TO EXPECT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BUT FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND I'LL GO THROUGH THE SLIDES. SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO BE REPETITIVE, I APOLOGIZE, BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF OUR TYPICAL TAX ABATEMENT PRESENTATION. JUST TO PROVIDE YOU A FULL OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT. SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY 600 ACRES. IT'S A PHASE ONE. THERE'S POSSIBLY TWO ADDITIONAL PHASES ON SITE. THE INITIAL INVESTMENT IS $1 BILLION. IF YOU RECALL, THE AWS WAS ABOUT $1 BILLION ON THE 55 ACRES. THIS HAS 50 JOBS, 4.75 MILLION IN PAYROLL. 
          CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS ABOUT 30 MONTHS. SO IT'S A, YOU KNOW, TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AGAIN, UP TO TWO PHASES POTENTIALLY AS WELL. AND ALSO ACCESS WOULD PROVIDE PROVIDED PERMANENT ACCESS TO INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY MOVING FORWARD WITH AN OVERPASS CONSTRUCTED WITH THE NCAA THAT MATT REFERRED TO. AND THEN ALSO AS I'VE ALREADY COVERED THAT LAST THING, BUT THE NCAA WILL ACTUALLY COVER THOSE EXPENSES. SO THIS IS THE SITE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY, I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR. BUT OF COURSE THE ROAD INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY, THE CSX RAIL LINE, SCOTS LINES HAVE GONE DOWN HERE AS WELL, BUT KIND OF GIVES YOU A A MAP OR A LOCATION, WHICH I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH. SO PROJECT CONSIDERATIONS, THE DATA CENTERS ARE A PERMITTED USE IN THIS IN THIS AREA. THE CITY IS WORKING WITH THE MAYOR'S LAND COMPANY TO FINALIZE WATER USAGE FOR THIS SITE, WORKING CLOSELY WITH JEREMY AND HIS STAFF COMPANIES, WORKING CLOSELY WITH UTILITIES AND GRID OPERATORS TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DIALOG WITH THE COMPANY AND WITH THE UTILITIES. THE 50 COMMITTED PERMIT JOBS ACTUALLY WILL PAY SALARIES WELL ABOVE ABOUT $95,000 PER JOB. AVERAGE MANUFACTURING JOB THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS AROUND 60,000. SO IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN THAT. THE PROJECT WILL STIMULATE HUNDREDS OF CONSTRUCTION JOBS, MANY OF WHICH ARE IN SKILLED TRADES. AS WE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THE PROJECT WILL NOT PRODUCE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. AND MATT ACTUALLY MENTIONED THIS. AND DEMAND FOR NEW HOUSING OR SCHOOL HEADCOUNT. SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT TO LOOK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE STATS OR SO RIGHT NOW AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SLIDE TO SEE WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEING GENERATED FOR THE ENTIRE 592 ACRES. IT'S CURRENTLY GENERATING ABOUT $19,000 IN ANNUAL PROPERTY TAXES OVER A 15 YEAR PERIOD. BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 15 YEAR POTENTIAL 15 YEAR ABATEMENT. IT PRODUCED ALMOST $300,000 IN TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES TO THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES. YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN. OHIO HIGH POINT IS OHP, AND YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER BREAKDOWNS WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL. ANNUAL INCOME TAX IS ZERO FOR THIS SITE AS WELL. NOW THIS GETS A LITTLE MORE DETAILS. THIS IS KIND OF DESCRIBES THE ABATEMENT. WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED. THE 15 YEAR 100% OF THE EXISTING INCENTIVE POLICY. WE HAD DIALOG EARLIER ABOUT THE EXISTING VERSUS PROPOSED. THE EXISTING ONE RECOMMENDS A 16 YEAR, 95%. THE PROPOSED NEW INCENTIVE POLICY AGAIN NOT APPROVED, BUT SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT AS WE APPROVE PROJECTS. IT RECOMMENDS A 15 YEAR, 100%. OF COURSE, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWEAKS TO THAT BEFORE WE FINALIZE THAT, BUT THAT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THE COMPANY HAS AGREED TO A PILOT PAYMENT OF A $1.2 MILLION PER YEAR. IT'S PRORATED BASED UPON THE VILLAGES THAT ARE GIVEN TO THE SCHOOLS, THE CITY AND IN OHIO, HIGH POINT. BUT THE TOTAL OVER THAT 15 YEAR PERIOD WILL BE $18 MILLION PAID IN PILOT PAYMENTS OR DONATION PAYMENTS BACK TO THE THREE ENTITIES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. IF YOU COUNTER THOSE THOSE PILOT PAYMENTS, IT ACTUALLY THE CITY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND OHIO HIGH POINT WILL RECEIVE ABOUT 40% OF THOSE 
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PROPERTY TAXES THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE BASED ON THE PRORATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. 
          OVERALL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WITH THE PILOT, OVERALL ABATEMENT WILL BE EQUAL ABOUT A 62% ABATEMENT BASED ON THOSE PILOT PAYMENTS BEING BEING PAID BACK. THE CITY WOULD SHARE INCOME TAX 50 OVER 50 FOR THE PERMANENT JOBS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED ON SITE. THE COMPANY WILL ALSO INVEST ABOUT $6,000 ANNUALLY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS FOR MONITORING THE TAX ABATEMENTS AND SO FORTH. MOVING FORWARD, THIS PRORATION IS A NEW APPROACH THAT WE'VE NOT DONE IN THE PAST HOW WE BREAK IT DOWN. SO EVERY YEAR THERE'S GOING TO BE HAVE TO BE A CALCULATION BECAUSE MILLAGE IS CHANGED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE THOSE PRORATIONS. SO LOOKING AT THE ANTICIPATED FINANCIAL IMPACT MOVING FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE THE PILOTS THE BROKE DOWN BETWEEN THE CITY AND AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE $16.1 MILLION GOING TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, 1.2 GOING TO THE CITY INCOME TAX OF THOSE PERMANENT 50 JOBS, ABOUT 525,000 GOING TO EACH. THAT'S WITHOUT INCREASE, WHICH THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A 2% INCREASE EVERY YEAR IN THE SALARY. SO WE'RE BEING CONSERVATIVE WITH THESE NUMBERS. 
          THE PROPERTY TAX LAND ACTUALLY THIS THIS VALUE CAME FROM THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S OFFICE. SO BASED WHEN YOU PUT BRICKS AND MORTAR INTO A PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY VALUE WILL GO UP. SO AND THAT IS NOT ABATED. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A LAND INCREMENT TAX THAT WE WILL RECEIVE. THE SCHOOLS WILL RECEIVE ABOUT $11.4 MILLION OVER THAT 15 YEAR PERIOD. AND ABOUT $850,000 WILL ACTUALLY GO TO THE CITY. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL ADDING UP THE PILOT INCOME TAX AND PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE LAND. YOU SEE $28 MILLION GOING TO THE SCHOOLS, ABOUT $2.5 MILLION GOING TO THE CITY AS WELL. IF NO DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, THE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OVER A 15 YEAR PERIOD WILL GET $214,000 IN THE CITY WILL ACTUALLY GET $15,000. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE COMPANY HAS AGREED THAT THIS WOULD APPLY TO ANY FUTURE PHASES. SO, AND THIS IS DONE AS ONLY ONE PHASE, IT'S DONE AS A ONE THIRD OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE IF THERE'S TWO ADDITIONAL PHASES, IT WILL GET. SO IT'S BASED ON 200 ACRES OF THAT VALUE. EVENTUALLY THAT VALUE IS GOING TO BE HIGHER WHEN YOU SEE THESE. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MORE INCOME IF THE TWO OTHER PHASES ACTUALLY OCCUR. THE COUNTY RECEIVED ABOUT $2.1 MILLION OVER 15 YEARS BASED ON THE LAND INCREMENT. OHIO HIGH POINT, BASED ON THE PILOT AND LAND INCREMENT, RECEIVED ABOUT 1.1 MILLION AS WELL. AND THEN IF ONCE THE ABATEMENT GOES AWAY, THE ANNUAL PROPERTY TAXES WILL BE ABOUT $3.2 MILLION. AND YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN GOING TO THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES AS WELL. SO ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS PILOT INCOME TAX AND LAND INCREMENT DIRECTLY BENEFIT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. 
          PILOT INCOME TAX AND LAND GRANT PROVIDE NEW FUNDS TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL STUDENTS. PROJECTS. PROJECT MAY HAVE 1 TO 2 ADDITIONAL PHASES. IT'S IMPORTANT THREE BULLETS HERE. INVESTMENT COULD EXCEED $3 BILLION WHEN ALL THREE PHASES ARE COMPLETE COMPLETED. 
          TO PUT THAT IN CONTEXT, SINCE 1979, I THINK HONDA HAS INVESTED 7 BILLION IN OUR COUNTY NOT TOO FAR OUTSIDE OF MARYSVILLE. EACH PHASE WILL THEN INCLUDE A NEW PILOT OF 1.2 MILLION AS WELL. IF THEY EXCEED MILLION SQUARE FEET, THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ADDITIONAL FEE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S ACTUALLY WORKED IN HERE. WE'LL GET A DOLLAR, $1.20 PER SQUARE FOOT IF THEY GO ABOVE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH IS WHICH IS ANOTHER BONUS POTENTIALLY AS WELL. EACH PHASE WILL ALSO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL LAND INCREMENT TAX FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES AS WELL THAT THAT RECEIVE THIS. SO AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE THIRD IN THE SENSE IF WE GET TO TWO OTHER PHASES YOU TIMES THREE ON MOST OF THESE NUMBERS OKAY. 
          TIMELINE. THIS IS A THIS IS WHERE PARTNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS AND WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT THAT REQUIRE APPROVAL PROCESSES. AS WE GET APPROVALS OF THESE ITEMS, THE CRA AND DONATION AGREEMENTS. THIS TONIGHT IS FIRST READING. 
          OF COURSE, THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT TO YOU THE CIC, WHICH WOULD OVERSEE THE DONATION AGREEMENT, THE PROBATION WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. THESE ENTITIES WOULD ACTUALLY APPROVE THE DONATION AGREEMENT AT ITS MEETING ON NOVEMBER 18TH. THE SECOND READING WOULD BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 24TH, AND THEN READING AND APPROVAL CONSIDERATION BY CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE ON DECEMBER 1ST. YOUR MEETINGS ARE MOVED UP, OF COURSE. IN DECEMBER. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND OHIO HIGH POINT, THE OHIO HIGH POINT BOARD WOULD ACTUALLY MEET TO WAIVE READING ON NOVEMBER 19TH. THEY DO NOT APPROVE THE THE THE TAX ABATEMENT BEFORE THE K-12 SCHOOL DOES. AND BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY THEIR MEETING IS MOVED UP. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IS HAVE TWO MEETINGS WITH THE BOARD OF EDUCATION FOR OHIO, HIGH POINT ONE, TO WAIVE THE READING BECAUSE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 45 DAY NOTICE. AND THEN THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER 17TH WOULD ACTUALLY BE TO APPROVE THE DOCUMENTS AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO THE MARYSVILLE SCHOOLS ACTUALLY WILL BE MEETING ON THE 20TH. I WILL SAY THAT THE THE THE COMPANY MAYOR'S LAND HAVE ALL BEEN MEETING WITH THE SCHOOLS. 
          SO THEY'VE BEEN IN PART OF MEETINGS WITH THEM TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED ABATEMENT AS WELL. 
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FUTURE AGREEMENTS, APPROVALS, OF COURSE DEVELOPMENT. YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED AN NCAA FOR MARYSVILLE SOUTH, MARYSVILLE EAST, BUT THERE'LL BE MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ROAD, INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. OF COURSE, DESIGN REVIEW ZONING ENGINEER WOULD ACTUALLY BE ANOTHER CITY RESPONSIBILITY GOING FORWARD. AND THEN THE BUILDING PERMIT WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE COUNTY OVERSIGHT. SO THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO FALL IN PLACE TO, TO, TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS TO, TO THINK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. MARYSVILLE SOUTH IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITE TO DEVELOP. 
          IT'S JUST SECLUDED OR HAS ACCESS PROBLEMS. IT'S LOCATED NEXT TO A RAIL LINE AS WELL. 
          IT'S NOT THE EASIEST SITE TO DEVELOP UNLESS YOU BUILD THAT OVERPASS, WHICH IS A 15 OR $20 MILLION EXPENSE. SO THE NCAA PLAYS A CRITICAL PART. THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD PROVIDE THAT NCAA, WHICH ACTUALLY BUILD THAT ACCESS, WHICH OPEN UP THIS AREA FOR, FOR FOR GROWTH AS WELL OTHER USES IN THIS DISTRICT MANUFACTURING. I THINK IT WAS A MALT PRODUCTION PROPOSAL BEFORE FOR THE BREWERY AND BREWING INDUSTRY. THAT MAY BE A MORE NEGATIVE IMPACT TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AREAS OF TOWN AS WELL. ACCESS TO AND FROM INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY WILL REDUCE THE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG WEAVER ROAD. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A HUGE CONCERN AS WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS SITE AND HOW IT'S BEING DEVELOPED. THERE'S A LAND HAS ALSO AGREED TO SUBSTANTIAL SETBACKS. I THINK MATT WENT OVER THAT AS WELL EARLIER. AND I THINK REALLY IMPORTANT POINT TO BE MADE HERE. IF WE LEAVE IT ALONE AND IT'S UNDEVELOPED, IT WILL GENERATE ABOUT THAT PROPERTY WILL GENERATE ABOUT $290,000. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROPOSAL, IT COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, AND THIS AGAIN IS PHASE ONE OF POTENTIAL THREE PHASES. IT COULD GENERATE AROUND $34 MILLION TO THE SCHOOLS, TO THE CITY, TO THE COMMUNITY. AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          THAT INCLUDES THE PILOT PAYMENTS, THE LAND TAXES AND SO FORTH. SO I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LAST YES, THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE. SO AGAIN, DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW IT'S A VERY LENGTHY PRESENTATION AND IT'S LATE. EVERYONE LOOKS AT THE WATCH. BUT IF ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE THIS IS OF COURSE IS THE THE PRESENTATION. YOU'LL HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS COMING UP IN THE SECOND AND THIRD READING. SO MATT'S HERE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. COUPLE QUESTIONS. SURE. I KNOW YOU ARE COMMUNICATING WITH THE CITY WITH REGARDS TO UTILITIES. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A BIG THING. YEAH. SO CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT ONE? YEAH I CAN I'M GOING TO LET JEREMY TALK ABOUT WATER. BUT ON ELECTRIC THEY'VE BEEN IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH AS OHIO AS WELL AS URA. THIS PROPERTY IS SPLIT BETWEEN TO ALMOST DOWN THE MIDDLE. SO URA AS WELL AS AS AS OHIO. AND I THINK MATT LOOKS LIKE HE WANTS TO COMMENT ON THIS, BUT THAT'S WHO'S COVERING ELECTRICITY. AND MATT, YOU WANT TO COVER MORE ABOUT THAT? YEAH. I'LL SAY ONE QUICK THING ABOUT ELECTRICITY BEFORE LETTING JEREMY EXPAND UPON WATER. THAT TENDS TO BE THE LONGEST LEG IN THE STOOL FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND THE FIRST OUTREACH THAT THE COMPANY WILL MAKE WHEN THEY'RE EVALUATING AN AREA. SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WOULD REQUIRE TRANSMISSION LEVEL SERVICE. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH AES OHIO FOR MONTHS, IF NOT THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR. OBVIOUSLY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS HIGHLY REGULATED, THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH SEVERAL CHECKS LIKE PJM, THE REGIONAL TRANSMISSION OPERATOR, AND THEN THE PUC AND OHIO POWER SITING BOARD HERE LOCALLY FOR ANY ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. SO AS FAR AS POWER GOES, LOOKS GOOD FOR THE SITE. 
          IT WILL ACTUALLY BRING MORE POWER TO THE AREA. BUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING. JEREMY, DO YOU MIND IF I KICK IT TO YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER CONVERSATIONS? YEAH THAT WORKS. 
          SO AT LEAST PRELIMINARILY AS IT RELATES TO WATER, WE HAVE NOT SOLIDIFIED A NUMBER THAT THE THE ONE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A PRETTY DECENT RANGE WHERE WE FEEL COMFORTABLE. BUT THEN WE ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THE DEMAND IS FROM THE END USER. SO AS IT RELATES TO THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM. WHAT WHAT THEY HAD MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES WAS THEY WOULD NOT REQUEST A NUMBER THAT WOULD DO DETRIMENT TO OUR SYSTEM. SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A VERY GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP RIGHT NOW. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE GET TO DICTATE WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS. NOW, THE WE AS DISCUSSED AT LAST WEEK'S WORK SESSION, IS GOING TO BE A COMMITTEE, A WORKING GROUP. HOWEVER, IT GETS SET UP THROUGH COUNCIL WHERE WE'LL HAVE A UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP, COUNCIL REP, WE'LL HAVE A FINANCE COMMITTEE, COUNCIL REP AND A PUBLIC SAFETY PUBLIC SERVICE COUNCIL REP, TENTATIVELY CALLING IT THE UTILITY CAPACITY BOARD OR WORKING GROUP, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT. BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY STAFF WILL BRING A RECOMMENDATION. HEY, HERE'S SOME METRICS. METRICS ARE STILL UNDEFINED, BUT SOMETHING THAT IS FLUID WHERE WE CAN ESTABLISH THOSE, WHETHER IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OR WHETHER IT'S SYSTEM WIDE, NOT ONLY WITHIN 
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THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, BUT ALSO IN, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, JEROME TOWNSHIP AS WELL. AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, USERS THAT ARE REQUESTING MORE THAN 200,000 GALLONS PER DAY, OF WHICH RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT ONE, MAYBE 3 OR 4 DEPENDING ON A PEAK DAY. SO THAT'S AT LEAST WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT EVERYTHING, ALL THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAD SO FAR HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY POSITIVE AS IT RELATES TO THAT. FOR US, IT'S A NEW INDUSTRY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. VEHICLE. OBVIOUSLY WE HAD THE AMAZON, BUT FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE WHAT WHAT HAS BEEN THE LIFE THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THIS TYPE OF BUILDINGS AND WHAT CAN AND I KNOW IT'S TECHNOLOGY SO IT CAN CHANGE OVER 5 OR 10 YEAR PERIOD. BUT WHAT WHAT DO YOU DISSIPATED. 
          WE CAN LOOK AT THE ONE THING'S FOR SURE THE TECHNOLOGY IS EVOLVING RAPIDLY. I MEAN, FOR YEARS TECHNOLOGY THE INDUSTRY WAS DICTATED BY MOORE'S LAW. YOU KNOW HOW SEMICONDUCTORS BECAME SMALLER EVERY TWO YEARS AND THEIR POWER OUTPUT DOUBLED. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING WELL BEYOND THAT IN THE AGE OF AI. WHAT I CAN SAY TODAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INVESTMENT THEY'RE MAKING, THESE ARE EXPENSIVE, SOPHISTICATED BUILDINGS WITH A LOT OF HEAVY INFRASTRUCTURE. INFRASTRUCTURE IS WHAT IS DRIVING A LOT OF LOCATION DECISIONS. SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A SITE LIKE THIS OR A BUILDING LIKE THIS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR LIFESPAN HISTORICALLY, DATA CENTERS STARTED COMING INTO THE COLUMBUS MARKET IN 2008, 2009. SEVERAL OF THEM ARE STILL ACTIVE. ALL OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY STILL ACTIVE IN THE NEW ALBANY BUSINESS PARK THAT WERE THOSE EARLY ADOPTERS. AWS FIRST CAME INTO THE MARKET IN 2014, 2015. THEY'VE DONE NOTHING BUT CONTINUE TO EXPAND. SO TODAY, BASED ON THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT I JUST GAVE YOU, AND THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT 15 YEARS OF HISTORY AND THEY'RE STILL OPERATING AND DOUBLING DOWN, AND THE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL THAT'S GOING INTO THE DATA CENTER INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW, THAT'S BEING LARGELY DRIVEN BY AI. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A GOOD AMOUNT OF RUNWAY HERE. OKAY. AND STRONG RESIDUAL VALUE IN THE INVESTMENT THAT'S BEING MADE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WE WE AS A CITY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR 5 TO 10 YEARS. RIGHT. WE'RE HOPING TO LOOK FOR 30, 40 YEARS. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH OKAY. SO ARE WE. OKAY. GO AHEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A THERE'S A QUESTION EARLIER THIS EVENING ABOUT THE ABATEMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND I THINK THAT THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. THE CURRENT LAND IS BRINGING IN NEXT TO NOTHING. AND EVEN WITH THE ABATEMENT, THE CITY AND THE SCHOOLS AND OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES ARE BENEFITING TREMENDOUSLY FROM AN AN ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY SUCH AS THIS, WITH ZERO INCREMENTAL DEMAND FOR MOST CITY SERVICES OUTSIDE OF OBVIOUSLY UTILITIES. BUT FOR CERTAIN, WITHOUT INCREMENTAL DEMAND TO OUR SCHOOLS AND OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WHY, THIS IS TO YOUR POINT, IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW. AND I KNOW THAT. NEW ALBANY COMPANY HAS WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS. 
          AND WE WE DID THE ZONING LAST. SUMMER ISH FALL AUGUST. YEAH. AND AND I THINK IT WAS TREMENDOUSLY SUCCESSFUL. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE ALL THE SUPPORT THROUGH THAT. YOU KNOW, THE BENEFITS THAT I SEE HERE, YOU KNOW, JOB OPPORTUNITIES. WE'VE BEEN AS A COUNCIL. YOU ME IN PARTICULARLY TOUTING ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION WHICH THIS IS CHECKING THAT BOX. BUT I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY OR MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY AND MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS, I BELIEVE THAT THIS TYPE OF ECONOMIC I'LL CALL IT INFRASTRUCTURE. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS TYPE OF, OF INVESTMENT IS REALLY AN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT OTHER TYPES OF, OF, OF, OF BUSINESSES TO, TO OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS. I FORESEE, TO EVEN FURTHER DIVERSIFY THAT PORTFOLIO TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, JOBS AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY IN, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ALLUDED TO IT IN VERY UNCERTAIN, YOU KNOW, TIMES FROM A SCHOOL PERSPECTIVE, 
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I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TO SIT IN MEETINGS THE THE THE PACKAGE HAS, FROM WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED BEEN RECEIVED WELL. AND IT'S IT'S A TREMENDOUS VALUE FOR FROM THE SCHOOL. IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT $1.8 MILLION PER PER YEAR GOING TO VSD SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD THAT WOULD FUND ABOUT 300 ISH STUDENTS AT THE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WITHOUT, AGAIN, ANY INCREMENTAL DEMAND IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM COMING OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. SO I THINK IT'S A IT'S TRULY A WIN. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AS COUNCIL. THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A WIND, A WIN FOR CITY. BUT YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT TO TAKE OUR BLINDERS OFF SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO AND CONSIDER WHAT'S BEST FOR THE BROADER COMMUNITY, NOT NECESSARILY JUST FOR OUR PARTICULAR SCOPE. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF THE PRIMARY FOCUS FOR THIS LOT OR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE GET GO. SO SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT, HONESTLY. AND THEN IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN, IF YOU RECALL, I THINK THAT THIS LAND WAS ZONED M1, M2. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THERE COULD BE 3000 MANUFACTURING JOBS IN THE BACK YARD ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM MANY OF THOSE SOUTHERN RESIDENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY LIKE THEIR ACREAGE. THEY LIKE THEIR SECLUSION. RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WAS REALLY KIND OF OPTIMAL, ESPECIALLY IN COMPOUNDED WITH WITH THE ZONING EFFORTS THAT WERE PUT IN FROM, FROM THIS COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPER WORKING WITH THE WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, TO TO DRIVE SUCH A VALUE LONG TERM WITH THE LOW IMPACT THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE ON, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS FROM A TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN THE INVESTMENT OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE WITH THE RAILROAD, BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, CONCERN. I, YOU KNOW, WEAVER ROAD, COULD IT HANDLE THE TRAFFIC? WELL, WE SAID NO. AND AND YOU GUYS MADE IT HAPPEN. HONESTLY YOU YOU THOUGHT OUTSIDE THE BOX THERE WERE MULTIPLE OPTIONS THAT WERE BEING EVALUATED. AND ULTIMATELY YOU WERE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE WIN WITH THE WITH THE, WITH THE OVERPASS. SO SO OVERALL, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY. I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE BROADER MARYSVILLE. AND AND I HOPE IT'S IT'S SUCCESSFUL MOVING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. ANYBODY ELSE MISTER PRESIDENT? SO I, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED UTILITIES AND ON THE CITY SIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN CONTROL. AND I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH JEREMY A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS I'LL PROBABLY BE REACHING OUT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT TO THE ELECTRIC UTILITIES AND WHERE THAT'S AT. AND, COUNCILMAN, IF YOU WANT ME TO CONNECT YOU WITH WHO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, I KNOW YOU'LL HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH YOU, BUT AT AES OHIO, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD, I THINK HONDA BUILT THEIR DATA CENTER, WHAT, 8 OR 10 YEARS AGO, I THINK, AND I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, IS THIS SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU SEE, MAYBE REPLACING THE NEED FOR SOME OF THESE COMPANIES BUILDING THEIR OWN LIKE THAT, YOU WOULD BE PROVIDING THE DATA CENTER CAPABILITIES FOR OTHER COMPANIES OR HOW HOW WOULD THAT WORK, THIS SPECIFIC ONE? NO. SO THIS IS NOT THE TYPE OF OPERATION THAT'S GOING TO LEASE RACK SPACE OR SELL CLOUD CAPACITY REMOTELY TO END USERS. 
          WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A TREND, AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR GOOGLE CLOUD'S, YOUR MICROSOFT'S, YOUR AWS. AS FAR AS CLOUD COMPANIES OR CORELOGIC'S DIGITAL REALTY TRUST THAT ARE MORE THIRD PARTY COLOCATION, THAT'S BEEN THEIR BUSINESS. SO FOR A LONG TIME, YOU'VE SEEN COMPANIES KIND OF TRANSITION FROM MANAGING THEIR OWN ENTERPRISE DATA ON SITE. 
          THEY'RE INVESTING THAT CAPITAL UPFRONT. THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE MAINTENANCE VERSUS JUST OUTSOURCING IT. SO THAT IS A TREND THAT EXISTS. BUT THAT'S NOT THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE. SO THANK YOU 
          [04:15:01]
FOR THE PRESENTATION. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THE WE HAD A TELECONFERENCE CALL WITH THE LOUDOUN COUNTY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FROM UNION COUNTY JOINED US. I THINK IT HAD STEMMED FROM SOME CONVERSATION COMMISSIONER MCCARTHY HAD HAD WITH ONE OF THE COUNTY OFFICIALS IN LOUDOUN COUNTY, VIRGINIA. AND WE GOT TO HEAR SOME TESTIMONY ABOUT LOUDOUN COUNTY SITUATION. AND I YOU KNOW, I NATURALLY DRAW COMPARISON. AND I WANT TO COMPARE, ALTHOUGH I KNOW WE'RE NOT COMPARABLE, BUT I JUST WANT TO RUN THAT DOWN. SO LOUDOUN COUNTY, THEY HAVE THE POTOMAC RIVER, MARYSVILLE, WE HAVE MILL CREEK, WE HAVE GROUNDWATER. THEY PAY UPWARDS OF, I DON'T KNOW, $4 MILLION AN ACRE. 
          THEY'RE THEY'RE PAYING, I THINK ULTIMATELY MAYBE 100,000, A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND. IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, MAYBE HERE. NOT QUITE SURE HOW YOU FACTOR IN THE BRIDGE INFRASTRUCTURE INTO THAT. THEY DON'T GIVE AWAY TAX ABATEMENTS IN OHIO. WE DO. AND YOU KNOW, I KIND OF QUESTION WHY IS THAT? WHY ARE WE ABATING THIS INDUSTRY. AND ONE ISSUE THAT WAS DISCLOSED IN THAT THAT MEETING WAS THAT LOUDOUN COUNTY, THEY HAVE A MONEY PROBLEM, AND IT'S THAT THEY GOT A LOT OF IT. SO IT'S IT'S A PROBLEM THAT I THINK THAT OFFICIAL SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN THE TROUBLES THAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE EXCESS CASH. THEIR SITUATION IS DIFFERENT. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXCESS CASH, BUT THAT OTHER STATES ARE ARE, YOU KNOW, BEING COMPETITIVE TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I SEE OHIO HAVING TO KIND OF ADJUST OUR APPROACH ON THIS. I STILL DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S A INDUSTRY THAT LIKE, I'M IN LOVE WITH. YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY HAVE 200 DATA CENTERS. WE HAVE MAYBE THREE IN THIS COUNTY. IS THAT RIGHT? TWO. MAYBE THIS WOULD BE THREE. YEAH, THIS WOULD BE FOUR. OKAY. SO YOU KNOW THEY HAVE 200. SO A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE. AND YOU KNOW YOU TALK ABOUT TALKED A LOT ABOUT POWER LINES. AND WHEN YOU HAVE 200 DATA CENTERS THAT CAUSE YOU KNOW THE NEED FOR A LOT OF SUBSTATIONS, A LOT OF POWER LINES AND REALLY THE CITIZENS ARE NOT EMPOWERED TO DICTATE WHERE POWER LINES DO AND DON'T GO. I UNDERSTAND WITH OUR SITUATION, AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A POWER LINE ASPECT OF IT. I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A WHAT SHE HAD ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED WAS THAT. MUNICIPALITIES OR COUNTIES DEVELOP SOME SORT OF PLAN THAT WOULD BE YOUR STATED PREFERENCES, SO THAT FROM THE FROM THE TIME THAT ACTUALLY IT GOES BEFORE SOME UTILITY COMPANY TO GET APPROVED, THAT UTILITY COMPANY MAY LISTEN TO A COMMUNITY'S PREFERENCES IF THEY'RE DOCUMENTED, BUT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY MAY LISTEN. I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS COUNTY, THIS CITY. I LOVE YOU TO SUPPORT US. BUT DEVELOPING GUIDELINES ON WHERE LINES COULD GO, I MEAN, MAYBE THIS IS MORE OF A UTILITIES DISCUSSION, BUT OUR PREFERENCE IS FOR WHERE POWER LINES WOULD OR WOULDN'T GO. AND I WOULD SAY THAT AS THIS GOES FORWARD, IF IT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, PLEASE BE TRANSPARENT AND WHERE THE POWER LINES, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE POWER LINES, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO. AND WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE RESIDENTS. NOW, AS MENTIONED IN THIS PRESENTATION, THE SITE IS NOT IDEAL FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ACCESS. AND IT'S IT'S JUST KIND OF THIS HIDDEN FIELD. RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. SO BUT STILL THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERATION AND SENSITIVITY TO REQUIRED ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. FOR ME, I WOULD SAY THAT THE I'VE HEARD KIND OF THERE'S A MULTI POTENTIALLY A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT HERE AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COMPARABLE TO WHAT SOME AN AUTOMOTIVE COMPANY UP THE ROAD HAS DONE. IT IS, HAS DONE OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS. 
          IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO MAKE THAT COMPARISON BECAUSE IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF INDUSTRY. YOU GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE VERSUS A LOT OF A LOT OF MACHINES AND LESS PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFERENT. SO IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. DEFINITELY DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. SO THOSE ARE JUST THE POINTS I WOULD JUST SAY AS THESE HAVE COME FORWARD, I'M JUST CONTINUOUSLY IT'S IT'S DIFFICULT JUST TO THINK THROUGH ALL OF THE IMPLICATIONS. I DO SEE THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF THIS. WE HAD A RESIDENT EARLIER COMMENTED ON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS WITH THE OUR BUDGET SITUATION. AND, YOU KNOW, HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ABATEMENT, BUT IT'S NOT JUST AN ABATEMENT. THERE'S THIS LIKE THE ABATEMENT OF CASH FLOWS, ABATEMENT, UNLOCKING CAPITAL. SO JUST I GUESS FOR THE SAKE OF 
          [04:20:05]
RESIDENTS, THAT'S MY MIND IS, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS. PLEASE SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH ME IN THE COMING WEEKS AS THIS IS GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS. AND, COUNCILMAN HUNTER, IF I COULD JUST MAKE ONE POINT TO THE COMMENT YOU MADE ABOUT PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS, LIKE THERE ARE MYRIAD WAYS THAT I COULD CONTRAST MARYSVILLE AND LOUDOUN COUNTY, BUT THE THE ONE THAT I'LL FOCUS ON HERE IS LOUDOUN COUNTY DOESN'T PROVIDE ABATEMENTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO. COMPANIES ARE LOCATING THERE BECAUSE THAT IS LITERALLY IF THERE IS A CENTER OF GRAVITY FOR DATA CENTERS IN THE UNITED STATES, IT'S RIGHT THERE. SO THEY DON'T NEED TO INCENT COMPANIES TO GO THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER REASONS TO GO THERE. THAT IS NOT THE CASE FOR THE STATE OF OHIO. AND THE FACT REMAINS THAT MARYSVILLE AND THE STATE OR JUST WILL LOOK AT MARYSVILLE, THIS COMMUNITY IS COMPETING AGAINST ANY OTHER LOCATION THAT IS SEEKING INDUSTRY THAT IS ALSO OFFERING AN ABATEMENT. AND UNTIL THERE ARE NO ABATEMENTS, UNTIL THERE ARE NO INCENTIVES. I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT POPULAR, BUT THEY ARE A NECESSARY PART OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND CAN RESULT IN CREATING THIS KIND OF IMPACT THAT IF YOU DIDN'T OFFER THE CRA, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. SO I, I GET IT'S UNPOPULAR, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT'S THEY EXIST ELSEWHERE. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? SO I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS MUCH MORE RECENTLY THAN YOU ALL HAVE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S BEEN COMING FOR TWO YEARS, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT I FEEL FUNDAMENTAL. THIS ISN'T JUST ANOTHER PROJECT, BUT THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A LARGE, YOU KNOW, FUTURE PROJECTS. AND SO I KNOW STAFF AND EVERYONE HAVE BEEN WORKING EXTREMELY HARD, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING THINGS PIECEMEAL, AND EVEN ON SOME SMALLER THINGS, IT'S BEEN EASY TO OH, WE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. AND SO. I FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE WE HAVE SOME FOUNDATIONAL DOCUMENTS IN PLACE, WHICH IS, I THINK, A FAIRLY COMMON BUSINESS PRACTICE. AND I THINK WE DO OWE THAT TO OUR RESIDENTS. I ALSO FEEL LIKE SINCE I'VE COME ON BOARD, WE ARE IN A VISIONING PROCESS. WE ARE TRYING TO INCREASE, YOU KNOW, INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC ON WHAT THEY WANT AND HOW THEY MOVE FORWARD, HOW GROWTH HAPPENS, WHERE IT HAPPENS. AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING NEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT END OF THAT, THAT PROCESS OR NOT THE END. YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MID PROCESS. AND I THINK PUBLIC SUPPORT AND OPINION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          SO TO JUMP AHEAD WITH THINGS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, US LOOKING TO CODIFY THINGS, GETTING, YOU KNOW, PLANS IN PLACE. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT NEGOTIATIONS ON A PROJECT ON A DOCUMENT THAT HAS BEEN IN DRAFT FORM FOR EIGHT MONTHS. SO I, I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO TO MOVE AHEAD IN THAT MANNER. I DO HAVE A MORE SPECIFIC QUESTION WHEN WE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT JOBS. I DID SEE WHEN IT REFERENCES BACK HERE. IT TALKS ABOUT JOBS. IT TALKS ABOUT TEN HIRED PER YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS, BEGINNING IN DECEMBER 2031. CAN YOU KIND OF TELL ME HOW THAT I JUST WANT TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT JOBS ARE COMING IN AND AND WHEN? RIGHT NOW THAT IS THE PROJECTION BASED ON. THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE. SO FIRST OF ALL, NEXT YEAR WE EXPECT TO HAVE THE GO AHEAD DONE WITH ENGINEERING START BUILDING THE OVERPASS. 
          THAT'S ABOUT AN 18 MONTH PROCESS. SO THAT PUTS US WELL INTO 2027 WHEN THE OVERPASS WILL BE BUILT AND CAN THEN BE USED TO DEVELOP THE ACTUAL SITE FOR THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY WILL HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO BE UP AND RUNNING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 2029 OR 2031. BUT 2031 IS, AS YOU CAN TELL, WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT AGREEMENT. THEY ARE BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO DO IS OVERPROMISE AND UNDER-DELIVER. THEY ARE BEING MEASURED IN THEIR PROJECTIONS. JUST SO 2029 DOESN'T ROLL AROUND, IT'S IN THE AGREEMENT AND EVERYBODY'S WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE JOBS ARE. AND. 
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I WOULD JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION. BUT I THINK THIS PROJECT KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE NEED FOR US AS A CITY AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE, TO COME UP AND WE'LL HAVE TO INVOLVE YOU, YOU GUYS, JUST WITH THE PROPERTY YOU HAVE AND THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN MARYSVILLE EAST, MARYSVILLE SOUTH. BUT WHAT OUR STRATEGY AND WHAT OUR FOCUS IS ON DATA CENTERS THROUGHOUT UNION COUNTY AND IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIMIT THAT WE GET TO, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT 1015 WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS DOWN THE ROAD, DATA CENTERS IN TOWN. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON. HOW HOW DO WE GROW? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE USE DATA CENTERS AND WHAT THAT KIND OF LIMIT IS FOR US, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S AT THIS CAPACITY AND IT CHANGES WITH WATER AS WE WE GROW OUR WATER AND WATER TREATMENT. AND JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF IMPACTS THAT DATA CENTERS HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A STRATEGY FOR. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL NEED TO INCLUDE YOU IN THAT. THAT'S GREAT. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER WOLFF. JUST THIS, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, OUR CONSULTANT WILL BE MAKING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON INPUT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER I'M GLAD MOST OF YOU ARE COMING TO THAT. SO WE'LL HAVE INPUT ABOUT DATA CENTERS. I WANT YOU TO SPEAK UP BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME CONSENSUS ON WHERE WE WANT TO GO, BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE 200 DATA CENTERS IN UNION COUNTY LIKE LOUDOUN COUNTY, BY ANY MEANS, BUT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          HEARING NONE. THIS WILL BE BACK ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025. COMMENTS FROM CITY MANAGER. 
          [COMMENTS OF THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL PERSONS AND GENERAL DISCUSSION]
THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL PASS TONIGHT. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL. I'LL START DOWN WITH YOU. I HAD A FEW BULLET POINTS. TODAY WAS THE FIRST SNOW DAY. SO KIDS GOT TO ENJOY THE THE THE FIRST SNOW DAY OF THE YEAR. SO HOPEFULLY THEY ALL HAD FUN TODAY. PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TO SLED, BUT. WANT TO THANK ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE. OBVIOUSLY VETERANS DAYS TOMORROW, BUT TODAY IS ACTUALLY THE MARINE CORPS 250TH BIRTHDAY. SO THANK YOU TO ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE IN THE IN THE MARINE CORPS. AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO PROBABLY THE TOUGHEST MEN AND WOMEN ON EARTH. I'M SURE THAT THERE'S SOME FOLKS THAT'LL BEG TO DIFFER. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE MR. REAMS ON HIS REELECTION, AS WELL AS CATHY YOUNG AND KELSEY TAKACS. 
          WELCOME THEM TO TO THE PANEL COME THE FIRST OF THE OF THE OF THE NEW YEAR. SO CONGRATULATIONS. I ALSO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO ACTUALLY CONTENDED IT TAKES A LOT TO STEP UP AND AND EVEN TRY. SO CONGRATULATIONS AS WELL AS EVER. THANK YOU AS WELL DESERVED FOR THEM. AND ALSO, I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T THANK COUNCILWOMAN JULIE KRAMER FOR SUPPORTING US THROUGHOUT. WHAT WHERE WE AT NINE OF 11 MONTHS, MAYBE TEN OF 11 MONTHS. YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE BEEN TREMENDOUS, AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE. AND YOU'LL BE MISSED AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR NEW COUNCIL STARTING IN 27, IN THE NEW YEAR. AND THEN, MR. BURBY, YOU KNOW, I WAS, I WAS. 
          FILLED WITH MIXED EMOTIONS, SOME JOYOUS FOR YOU AND AND YOUR FAMILY TO TO YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO SPEND TIME WITH THE GRANDCHILDREN AND YOUR KIDS AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT I IT WAS VERY SADDENED TO NOT SEE YOUR NAME ON THE BALLOT, BECAUSE I WILL TRULY MISS YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND YOUR MENTORSHIP AND ALL THE WISDOM THAT YOU BRING TO THIS OR THAT YOU BROUGHT TO THIS COUNCIL OVER THE WHAT, 11, 13 YEARS THAT YOU'VE BEEN 16 YEARS? SORRY, MY MATH IS TERRIBLE, BUT BUT I DO WANT TO. I DO WANT TO. I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR FOR YOUR SERVICE AND AND GOOD LUCK IN EVERYTHING YOU DO MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. PRESTON. THANK YOU, MR. WOLFE. ZACH STOLE A BIT OF MY THUNDER THERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO'S COME OUT HERE AND STAYED HERE TILL 1130 AT NIGHT. IT'S. IT'S A BIG THING TO BE OUT HERE. I KNOW IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE MOST FUN TO LISTEN 
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TO SOME OF THE STUFF WE TALK ABOUT, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. AND YOUR VOICE AND YOUR KIND OF PRESENCE HAS BEEN HEARD. I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR VETERANS AND EVERYONE WHO HAS SERVED. IT'S IT'S A GREAT PRIVILEGE TO KNOW YOU AND TALK WITH YOU. MR. HUNTER. I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AS WELL. JUST SEEING THOSE PEOPLE THAT PUT PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINEEEDOMS IS, IS IG THAT YOU DON'T SEE EVERYWHERE. AND I WANT TO THANK ALSO MR. BURBY, MISS KRAMER, AND THEN THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, KATHY AND KELSEY. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU. AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU EVER NEED ANYTHING AND WANT TO TALK, JUST REACH OUT. MR. BURBY. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. THE COMMENT WAS MADE EARLIER. THE DIVISION BETWEEN COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION. AND ONE THING THAT AND THAT NOBODY CAN SAY IS THAT WE ARE A RUBBER STAMPING COUNCIL. YEAH, WE DIG INTO IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE TRY NOT TO MAKE IT PERSONAL, TRY NOT TO, BUT SOMETIMES BOTH PARTIES HAVE TO SPEAK UP IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. YEAH. 
          ADMINISTRATION HAS A VIEWPOINT. THEY HAVE 250, INCLUDING SOME OF THE PART TIME EMPLOYEES TO PROTECT. WE REPRESENT THE CITIZENS AND THEY LOOK FOR US FOR GUIDANCE. SO NOTHING PERSONAL ABOUT ANYBODY. IT'S JUST ME. WALK OUT OF THIS ROOM, SHAKE HANDS AND SAY. WE DID. WE ALL DID THE BEST WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO. AND THAT'S WHY THAT THAT'S THAT. THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO BE TONIGHT WHEN I WALK OUT. AND I WOULD SAY WE ALL DID THE BEST THAT WE COULD. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. THAT WAS ALL MY MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. HUNTER. SURE. THANK YOU VETERANS. YOU TRULY ARE MY HEROES AND ALWAYS WILL BE. WE IN AMERICA SOMETIMES DON'T HAVE OUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT, BUT YEP, THAT'S THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, MR. REAMES. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE VETERANS DAY BY THE TIME YOU GOT DOWN TO ME. BUT IT ALMOST IS, RIGHT. BUT I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID, AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANY GOODBYES TO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT STILL HAVE SEVERAL MEETINGS TO WORK WITH US. SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP WORKING. YEAH. MR. GRABER, FOR THE KIND WORDS. AND I WILL JUST END. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO COLUMBUS CITY HALL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND THERE'S A PLAQUE IN THERE THAT I HAD TO TAKE A PHOTO OF. AND IT IS THE SPIRIT OF ITS PEOPLE. IT'S THE CITY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO EVERYBODY, TO EVERYBODY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE SOUL OF THIS CITY IS, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE, THE YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE KIDS, CITY STAFF, CITY EMPLOYEES, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANYBODY WHO WORKS IN THE COMMUNITY, WHO LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY, WHO VISITS THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT ALL BRINGS OUT WHAT WE ARE. AND I HOPE THAT IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING. I LET IT GUIDE US. THANK YOU. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HOLD MY COMMENTS. I WILL, YOU KNOW, SPEAK ABOUT THE COUNCIL RACE AND ALL OF THAT AT A LATER DATE WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THE SEASON. BUT THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO DID PARTICIPATE TONIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, 1130 THEY ALWAYS BLAME ME FOR THE REASONS WHY THE MEETINGS GO SO LATE, BUT THERE'S JUST MORE AND MORE AGENDA ITEMS ALL THE TIME. SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO
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