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          24TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND STAY STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALMIGHTY GOD, WE ASK YOU TO GUIDE US THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING AS WE SEEK TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND ITS CITIZENS. AMEN. AMEN. 
          WELL, ROLL CALL PLEASE. ZACH FORTNER HERE. STEVEN WOLF HERE. BARBIE. DONNA BERGER HERE. 
          SCOTT HUNTER HERE. MARK REAMS, JULIE KRAMER HERE. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE NOVEMBER 3RD, 2025 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION? MEETING MINUTES. MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS STATED. ALL IN 
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FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. WE'RE GOING TO DO A PROCLAMATION AT THE MOMENT FOR SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY. IS THERE ANYBODY IN REPRESENT REPRESENTING SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, MISS MULLEN? OKAY. I'LL COME DOWN THERE TO YOU. TO YOU. I WASN'T GOING TO COME UP THERE. DON'T WORRY. RIGHT HERE. NOVEMBER 29TH, 2025 IS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY. WHEREAS AMERICAN EXPRESS HA! AS WELL AS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HAVE ENDORSED THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING AND SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, A DAY TO CELEBRATE AND SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES AND ALL THEY DO FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS WHEN YOU SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES IN YOUR COMMUNITY, $68 OF EVERY $100 GOES BACK, GOES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS IF HALF OF ALL HOUSEHOLDS IN MARYSVILLE SPENT 100 $100 UPTOWN, IT WOULD GENERATE ALMOST A HALF $1 MILLION IN REVENUE FOR THE UPTOWN SMALL BUSINESSES. AND WHEREAS IN 2008, PLUM HOME WAS THE FIRST TO SIGN HISTORIC UPTOWN MARYSVILLE, UP FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHAMPION PROGRAM. THE PROGRAM HAS CONTINUED UPTOWN EVERY YEAR SINCE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHAMPION PROGRAM IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN MAIN STREET AMERICA AND AND AMERICAN EXPRESS, AND WHEREAS MY HANDS ARE SHAKING. YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THAT'D BE NICE. SINCE 2018, OVER 5000 IN PRIZES HAVE BEEN AWARDED TO SHOPPERS ON SMALL BUSINESSES. SATURDAY IN UPTOWN SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY CONTINUES TO TO BE CELEBRATED WITH HUNDREDS OF FAMILIES, FRIENDS AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. AND WHEREAS IN THE LIGHT OF IN LIGHT OF THE ECONOMIC CLIMATE AS A COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO STAND WITH OUR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND PRESERVE THE HEART OF MARYSVILLE. AND WHEREAS CITIZENS ARE ENCOURAGED TO SUPPORT LOCAL BY PARTICIPATING IN SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY ON NOVEMBER 29TH, 2025, AS WELL AS SHOPPING LOCAL THROUGHOUT THE HOLIDAY SEASON AND ALL YEAR LONG. NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD BERGER, THE PRESIDENT OF CITY OF MARYSVILLE, OHIO, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 29TH, 2025 AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. I ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES AND MERCHANTS ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THANK YOU. AND THEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE EVENT AND WHAT WILL BE GOING ON? IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT MOMENT, YOU CAN HAVE THAT MOMENT, YEAH. SO ON SATURDAY, WE'RE DOING A PASSPORT EVENT UPTOWN WHERE YOU CAN COME TO THE CORNER OF FIFTH AND MAIN ANYTIME BETWEEN 9 AND 5, GRAB A PASSPORT, SHOP ALL OF OUR BEAUTIFUL UPTOWN BUSINESSES. AS YOU'RE SHOPPING, YOU GET YOUR PASSPORT STAMPED AND YOU BRING IT BACK TO GET RAFFLE PRIZES, GET ENTERED TO WIN RAFFLE PRIZES FROM ALL OF OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. SO IT'S REALLY OUR WAY TO SAY THANK YOU AS SMALL BUSINESSES, BUSINESSES TO OUR COMMUNITY, AS MUCH AS YOU GUYS ARE GIVING BACK TO US, SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. HOWEVER, YOU CAN SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES ON SATURDAY, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE TRAVEL, SO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO, I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY THINK SMALL THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. THANK YOU. AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS IS MAGGIE MOHLER AND HER AND HER MOTHER OWNS PLUM HOME IN UPTOWN MARYSVILLE. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THOSE PROCLAMATIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT. AND DO WE NEED A MOTION TO INCLUDED INTO THE 
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MINUTES? YES. OKAY, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. ADMINISTRATION 
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REPORT. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MY FIRST ITEM ON IS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY. SO YOU GUYS GOT IT. AND JUST A REMINDER TO FOR EVERYBODY TO PARTICIPATE. 
          THE NEXT ITEM I HAD ON MY AGENDA WAS THIS THURSDAY THE PUMPKIN DASH FIVE K. IT'S THE 15TH ANNUAL HONDA FEDERAL CREDIT UNION PUMPKIN DASH FIVE K AND IT'S THIS THURSDAY AT 9:05 A.M. THIS FIVE K RUN AND WALK IS OPEN TO ALL RUNNERS AND WALKERS OF ALL SKILL LEVELS. 
          NOW IT SAYS THE REGISTRATION DEADLINE IS NOVEMBER 24TH, SO YOU MIGHT STILL BE ABLE TO DO IT. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SIGNED UP. SO PLAN ON IT. IT'S A GREAT EVENT. IT USUALLY GETS SOLD OUT. WE'LL SEE HOW IT DOES THIS YEAR, BUT IT'LL BE BE A GREAT DAY TO GET OUT AND ABOUT BEFORE YOU START EATING YOUR THANKSGIVING DINNER. ALSO A REMINDER OF THE UPCOMING CHRISTMAS PARADE, THE ANNUAL MARYSVILLE ELKS CHRISTMAS PARADE IS SUNDAY, DECEMBER 7TH, 2 P.M. HERE IN UPTOWN MARYSVILLE. SO DECEMBER 7TH ON SUNDAY 2 P.M. JUST ALSO ANOTHER REMINDER THAT CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED THIS THURSDAY AND FRIDAY FOR THANKS FOR THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY. WITH THAT, I'LL SHIFT DOWN TO KYLE FOR SOME UPDATES. THANKS, TERRY. 
          STREET CREWS CONTINUE TO ASSIST THE CITY WIDE LEAF PICKUP AND ALSO PERFORMING EXCAVATION WORK OUT AT THE FORMER WATER TREATMENT PLANT. OUR PARKS CREWS ARE CLEANING UP AFTER THIS PAST SATURDAY'S CHRISTMAS WALK AND PREPARING FOR THURSDAY'S PUMPKIN DASH, AND THEN PREP WORK HAS ALSO STARTED AT THE CEMETERY HOOP HOUSE. FINALLY, WE'LL WE'LL SHARE THE PLACER AI DATA FROM THE CHRISTMAS WALK ONCE IT GETS POSTED TO COUNCIL. WATER CREWS ARE PERFORMING SOME FALL MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES AND CONTINUING ON THE CANAL STREET WATER LINE REPLACEMENT PROJECT. THEY ARE NOW NORTH OF LITHIA DRIVE FOR THAT PROJECT, AND LAST WEEK THE AVERAGE WATER PRODUCTION WAS JUST OVER. IT WAS ACTUALLY 3.03 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WITH A PEAK OF 3.39 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. WASTEWATER CREWS, OR I SHOULD SAY WASTEWATER STAFF, IS WORKING ON THE ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE PLAN AND CONTINUED MAINTENANCE ON BOTH THE COLLECTION AND TREATMENT SYSTEMS. AND THEN I HAVE THREE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT UPDATES FOR FOR YOU TONIGHT. THE FIRST IS THE COUNTY LED LOG JAM PROJECT. SO THAT CONTRACTOR WILL BE ENTERING THE CITY LIMITS IN DECEMBER THROUGH EARLY JANUARY. THE WORK WILL BE HEADING FROM DOWNSTREAM UPSTREAM. SO THEY'RE GOING TO START DOWN BY LIKE THE UNION RECYCLING BUILDING AND WORK UPSTREAM TOWARDS MILL VALLEY. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING TO START IN DECEMBER HOPING TO WRAP THAT UP SOMETIME IN JANUARY. A COUPLE MORE PROJECT UPDATES. THE PAVING PROGRAM, THE ONLY REMAINING WORK FOR THAT IS STRIPING WORK. I DID HEAR THAT MOST OF THE STRIPING GOT COMPLETED TODAY. IF THERE'S SOME OUTSTANDING STUFF, THEY'LL FINISH THAT UP AS LONG AS THE TEMPERATURES ARE WARM ENOUGH. 
          AND THEN THE LAST UPDATE IS THE CHARITY STREET SAN ANTONIO IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. SO PHASE ONE COMPLETED TODAY. SO CHARITY STREET IS NOW WILL NOW BE OPEN UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR OR UNTIL THEY START THE SECOND PHASE. RIGHT NOW WE WE ASK THEM TO HOLD OFF TILL AT LEAST THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY. THAT COULD PUSH BACK. STARTING NEXT MONDAY, THEY ARE GOING TO START PHASE THREE, WHICH IS ABOUT 300FT OF SANITARY INSTALLATION DOWN LAKEVIEW DRIVE. AND THAT THAT INTERSECTION THERE FOR LAKEVIEW RESIDENTS WILL BE CLOSED DURING THAT PHASE. THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR UPDATES. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION? YOU OKAY? KALE I BELIEVE THAT OFFICIALLY WEST FIFTH STREET BETWEEN MAPLE AND GROVE IS COMPLETED. YEAH, I KNOW THAT YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT DIFFERENT TIMES. YEAH. I COMMEND YOU. NOW THAT THE STRIPING IS COMPLETED, IT SHOULD BE AN EASY WAY TO GO. YEAH, OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL MAYBE THE SPRING TIME. 
          YEAH. IF, IF IT IS DEEMED FOR CHANGES. BUT PERSONALLY I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THE WORK THAT WAS DONE. AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT ESPECIALLY GOING EAST. YEAH I KNOW THE BUMP OUTS ARE 
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THERE, BUT THEY ARE EXACTLY OR ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN EVEN HAVING A VEHICLE PARKED OUT THERE. YEAH. SO ANY ANY ARGUMENT OF SAYING THAT BUMP OUTS WOULD BE LIKE, HEY, THERE IS A CAR OUT THERE. AND I DROVE INTO THAT CAR, WHICH I DON'T DO. YEAH. SO HAVING THE LINES THERE AND THEN GOING WEST, HAVING SPACE FOR VEHICLES, SORRY. FOR BICYCLES, PERHAPS AGAIN, I, I PERSONALLY LIKE IT. BUT AGAIN, THE JURY IS OUT AS TO HOW THE GENERAL PUBLIC WILL LIKE IT. 
          YEAH, THANKS FOR THOSE COMMENTS. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, WE DO PLAN TO GO OUT AND DO SOME SPEED COUNTS AT A LATER DATE, JUST TO SEE IF THOSE AVERAGE SPEEDS HAVE DECREASED BASED ON THE IMPROVEMENTS WE MADE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATION I WOULD JUST ASSUME I THE SAME THING FOR PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY. 
          I'VE NOTICED ALL THAT PAVING STRIPING THE RAISED CROSSWALKS THAT WE DISCUSSED I DON'T KNOW, LAST SPRING OR LATE WINTER. YEAH EXACTLY. SO WEST FIFTH STREET, PROFESSIONAL PARKWAY AND THEN ADINA POINT DRIVE AS WELL. ALL THREE OF THOSE KIND OF RECEIVED SOME TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. SO WE PLAN TO GO BACK OUT, GET SOME SPEED DATA JUST TO SEE HOW MUCH. 
          WE'RE HOPING TO SEE A BIG IMPROVEMENT WITH THE SPEED DATA. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'LL WAIT TO GET THE STATS TO TO COMPARE THE ONLY THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I WILL HAVE. I THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE TWO OF THE ELEVATED CROSSWALKS COMING UP. PROFESSIONAL. I THINK YOU GOT THE ONE AS YOU ENTER COMING TO THE WEST, I GUESS OFF OF PROFESSIONAL FROM INDUSTRIAL, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE. AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE TO TO TO CHESTNUT. IS THERE A YEAH THERE'S A REASONABLE. YEAH THERE'S A REASON. SO WE DID LOOK AT THAT. 
          IT'S SO CLOSE TO CHESTNUT STREET OR WEAVER ROAD THAT WE FELT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING WESTBOUND YOU HAVE TO SLOW THAT OR. YEAH. IF YOU'RE GOING WESTBOUND TOWARDS CHESTNUT OR WEAVER YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN FOR THAT STOP SIGN ANYWAY. SO WE THOUGHT THE EASTERN EDGE OF THAT KIND OF CORRIDOR FIT FIT BETTER. OKAY. YEAH. WELL I'M INTERESTED IN THE SPEED DATA. 
          SO I LOOK TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS GET. THANK YOU. I'LL. ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK AS WE THINK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES BEING IMPLEMENTED AS A DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW WHEN DEVELOPMENTS COME THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT AREAS. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE FIXING AFTER DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IS ALREADY IS, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST HAD THE DEVELOPMENT COME IN AND NOT SOMETHING LATER WHICH EASIER SAID THAN DONE AND IN EVERY CASE. BUT THANK YOU. HEARING NONE OTHER HERE, HEARING NOTHING MORE. REPORT OF CLERK OF COUNCIL. THANK YOU. I DON'T 
          [HEARING OF CITIZENS]
HAVE ANYTHING. THANK YOU. HEARING OF CITIZENS. NOW, THIS IS THE PART OF THE AGENDA WHERE CITIZENS CAN SPEAK ON ANY TOPIC THAT'S NOT RELATED TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SEEING A MAD DASH TO THE PODIUM. OKAY, I DON'T WHOEVER WHOEVER WANTS TO GO FIRST. OKAY. MR. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. WHAT? IS IN 12 FONT AND MINE IS IN 20 FONT. BARBARIC ROCKFORD DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENTS 1100 INNOVATION WAY, SUITE D IN THE INNOVATION PARK. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY HOUSING MATTERS. SO MARYSVILLE HAS APPROXIMATELY 30,169 RESIDENTS AS OF 2025. 
          THAT'S WHAT I SAID. BASED ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS, APPROXIMATELY 18% ARE AGED 50 TO 65 AND WILL BE RETIRING IN THE NEXT 15 YEARS. THIS REPRESENTS 5400 INDIVIDUAL RETIREES IN THIS WINDOW. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 362 RESIDENTS EACH YEAR. AS YOU KNOW, MARYSVILLE HAS A 1.5% INCOME TAX THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO SOCIAL SECURITY AND PENSIONS. THEREFORE, THE POPULATION AGING. 
          MARYSVILLE NEEDS TO REPLACE THE INCOME BY ATTRACTING NEW FAMILIES. NOT ONLY DOES MARYSVILLE NEED TO REPLACE THE INCOME OF RETIREES, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO FACTOR IN THE EVER, EVER INCREASING COST OF SERVICES, THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE AND FIRE PERSONNEL, ROAD REPAIRS, AND THE COST OF LIVING INCREASES FOR ITS EMPLOYEES. THE HOUSING INCOME, THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME LEVELS FOR THOSE RETIRING IS APPROXIMATELY $92,000 PER YEAR. 
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THE BREAKDOWN IS ACTUALLY ON THE CHART. THE INCOME. THIS IS THE INCOME THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE AGED FAMILIES, 25 TO 40 5 OR 20 5 TO 44, HAVE THE HIGHEST HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF ANY DEMOGRAPHIC IN MARYSVILLE, WHICH IS AN AVERAGE OF 110,570. 
          THE AGE OF FIRST TIME HOME BUYER IS INCREASING RAPIDLY, ACCORDING TO THE OHIO REALTORS BOARD NOTED IN A NOVEMBER 19TH, 2025, ARTICLE, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, THE AGE OF THE FIRST TIME HOMEOWNER IS NOW 40 YEARS OLD. THAT THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ALL IN ITSELF. 
          MARYSVILLE HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN A HOUSING MARKET, PROVIDING FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD TIME HOME BUYERS HOUSES TO HOME BUYERS. OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF NEW HOUSES IN THIS MARKET HAVE BEEN BUILT ON LOTS THAT ARE 50 TO 65 FOOT IN WIDTH. THE AVERAGE COST OF A NEW HOME IN MARYSVILLE IS AROUND 492,000, WITH A 20% DEPOSIT. THE MORTGAGE PAYMENT, PRINCIPAL INTEREST, INTEREST TAXES AND INSURANCE IS APPROXIMATELY $3,400 PER MONTH. THE AVERAGE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER DOES NOT PUT 20% DOWN. THEY ACCUMULATE THAT AS THEY BUY THEIR FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD, AND USUALLY AROUND A THIRD OR FOURTH HOUSE, THEY WILL HAVE 20% THAT THEY'RE ROLLING OVER AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO WITHOUT A 20% DEPOSIT, THIS MONTHLY PAYMENT WILL BE HIGHER FOR SOME OF THE YOUNGER FAMILIES THAN THE 4004 $3,400 QUOTED BEFORE. THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THAT FAMILIES DO NOT SPEND MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR OVERALL MONTHLY INCOME ON HOUSING EXPENSES. THOSE HOUSING EXPENSES INCLUDE NOT ONLY YOUR PRINCIPAL INTEREST TAX UTILITIES, BUT ALSO REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE FOR THE HOME. IF YOU COMPARE THE INCOME LEVELS OF THE YOUNG FAMILIES IN MARYSVILLE BETWEEN 25 AND 44, WHICH IS $110,000 PER YEAR. TO THE COST OF THE AVERAGE HOME IN MARYSVILLE, WHICH IS THE 492,000. THE PRICE OF HOUSING IN MARYSVILLE ALREADY EXCEEDS THE AFFORDABLE LEVEL, WITH JUST THE MORTGAGE PAYMENT OF 3400. THAT IS ROUGHLY 37% OF THEIR INCOME TAX, NOT INCLUDING OTHER THINGS LIKE UTILITIES, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. THE AFFORDABILITY, HOW THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING IMPACTS OTHER AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. A FAMILY SPENDING 40% OF ITS HOUSEHOLD INCOME ON HOUSING IS PROBABLY NOT DINING OUT OR SPENDING AS MUCH ON RETAIL, NEW CARS, ETC. THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH IN UPTOWN IF THEY'RE SPENDING 40% OF THEIR OVERALL INCOME ON IT. ONE OF THE TOP OBJECTIVES OF YOUR 2025 MARYSVILLE STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE WAS TO ATTRACT MORE YOUNG FAMILIES. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS TONIGHT AND IN THE FUTURE THAT HELP THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING AND HELP MEET YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN OBJECTIVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM, SIR? PODIUM. DOES IT MATTER I THINK. IS THAT MICROPHONE ON? YEAH, IT SHOULD WORK. STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ALEX ROZANSKI AND I RESIDE AT 524 TIMBERVIEW DRIVE. I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE ACTIONS OF CITY STAFF DURING THE PRESENTATION OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE 2026 EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION ORDINANCE AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE CONDUCT DISPLAYED BY FINANCE DIRECTOR BRAD LUTZ DURING THE NOVEMBER COUNCIL MEETING. MR. LUTZ'S TONE AND MANNER TOWARD THIS BODY CAME ACROSS AS BELLIGERENT AND ANTAGONISTIC, AND AT TIMES INSUBORDINATE. 
          THIS BEHAVIOR UNDERMINES THE COUNCIL MANAGER STRUCTURE REQUIRED BY OUR CHARTER. IT IS DESIGNED TO ENSURE PROFESSIONALISM AND RESPECT BETWEEN STAFF AND THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY OF THIS CITY. STAFF MUST UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCIL IS THE CITY'S POLICY MAKING AUTHORITY, NOT YOUR PEERS. PART OF OUR CITY GOVERNMENT'S CHALLENGE LIES IN LINGUISTIC INERTIA TERMS CARRIED OVER FROM THE PRE 2013 CHARTER ERA, SUCH AS ADMINISTRATION FOR STAFF OR PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL FOR MAYOR. THESE REFLECT HABITS FORMED UNDER MARYSVILLE'S FORMER STATUTORY STYLE. ELECTED MAYOR MODEL. THESE TERMS SUBTLY REINFORCE THE MISCONCEPTION THAT STAFF IN CITY COUNCIL OPERATE AS PARALLEL POLITICAL BRANCHES, RATHER THAN WITHIN A SINGLE HIERARCHY. COUNCIL GOVERNS STAFF, EXECUTES. THE LAST MEETING REVEALED HOW EASILY WE CAN SLIP BACK INTO THAT OLD MODEL, WHICH THE COUNCIL MANAGER SYSTEM WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO PREVENT. PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT IS MEANT TO REDUCE BRINKSMANSHIP AND PROVIDE CONTINUITY, STABILITY AND COMPETENCE ACROSS ELECTION CYCLES. RESEARCH CONSISTENCY CONSISTENTLY SHOWS THAT COUNCIL MANAGER MUNICIPALITIES OUTPERFORM ELECTED MAYOR SYSTEMS IN FISCAL HEALTH, ADMINISTRATIVE STABILITY, AND 
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LONG TERM PLANNING. CENTRAL OHIO MAKES THIS CONTRAST CLEAR CITIES WITH ELECTED MAYORS OFTEN STRUGGLE WHILE COUNCIL MANAGER COMMUNITIES THRIVE. THIS MATTERS TONIGHT BECAUSE THE PROPOSED ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS HIGHLIGHT HOW FAR BEHIND MARYSVILLE FELL DURING THE DECADES IT OPERATED UNDER THE ELECTED MAYOR. MODEL. FROM 1981 TO 2013, THESE ZONING STANDARDS COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED A GENERATION AGO. THE STRUCTURAL LIMITATIONS OF THAT OLD MODEL DELAYED THEM, AND NOW COUNCIL IS BEING ASKED TO ADOPT THEM UNDER COMPRESSED TIME FRAMES TO CATCH UP TO REGIONAL REALITIES. THE CHARTER RESTORED A MORE PROFESSIONAL CAPABLE MODEL IN 2013, BUT IT ONLY WORKS IF ITS BOUNDARIES ARE RESPECTED. THAT IS WHY THE BEHAVIOR AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING IS SIGNIFICANT. STAFF MUST PRESENT INFORMATION PROFESSIONALLY, DIFFERENTIALLY AND WITHOUT ANTAGONISM. COUNCIL MUST SET DIRECTION AND STAFF MUST CARRY IT OUT WITHOUT BRINKSMANSHIP, DEFENSIVENESS OR ATTITUDES INHERITED FROM AN OUTDATED FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM? HI, LYNN MILLER, JOLLY ROAD. SINCE THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY MADE CONCESSIONS TO OUR DOVER COMMUNITY IN THE MARYSVILLE EAST ZONING, WE WERE HAPPY TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD AND A PROPOSED GROUND WATER WELL RESTRICTION WORDING THAT MAY BE PUT INTO THE CITY CODE. AND THANK THOSE WHO HEARD US AND WORKED FOR THIS ISSUE. CONCERNING DATA CENTERS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE ISSUE OF WATER AND WATER USAGE AND OVERUSE IN THE FOREFRONT. WITH TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF DROUGHT IN OUR COUNTY, WHICH AFFECTS THE WATER TABLE AND THE AQUIFER, HOW IS THE DROUGHT ISSUE FACTORED INTO THE CITY? THE WAY THE CITY ALLOCATES WATER QUANTITIES TO DATA CENTERS AND OTHER INDUSTRIES? ARE THERE ANY REPORTS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IMPACTS OF THESE PROJECTS, OR ON THE IMPACTS ON MILL CREEK? HAVE ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES THAT MAY BE REQUIRED BEEN COMPLETED, IF ANY ISSUES, ENVIRONMENTAL OR OTHER ARISE? HOW ARE DEVELOPERS AND INDUSTRIES HELD RESPONSIBLE FROM THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, IT APPEARS THE INCENTIVE PLAN IS MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT A SOLID ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR VISION PLAN IN PLACE WITH SPECIFIC GUARDRAILS OR LIMITATIONS. ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES. THE BOTTOM LINE BEFORE APPROVING ANY NEW PROJECTS, SOME SOLID WRITTEN CODE SHOULD BE IN PLACE WHEN A DEVELOPER HAS A PROPOSAL THAT THEY ARE MEETING THE CITY'S EXPECTATIONS, NOT THE CITY. FIGURING OUT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEVELOPERS. 
          THANKS AGAIN FOR THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE REGARDING WELLS. THAT'S A HUGE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM? OKAY. HEARING NONE. PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. SO OUR NOVEMBER 
          [PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT]
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE HAD TWO AGENDA ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE WAS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION AT 396 EAST NINTH STREET, WHICH WAS THE FORMER PRO RIGHT MUFFLER THAT WAS FOR VEHICULAR, VEHICULAR SERVICE AND REPAIR FACILITY THAT WAS APPROVED. SIX. YES. ZERO. NO. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND APPLICATION WAS FOR HICKORY WOODS COMING THROUGH FOR THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT. SO THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED AS THAT PUD AT CITY COUNCIL. AND THAT WAS APPROVED. THE PLOT WAS APPROVED AT PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A VOTE OF SIX YES AND ZERO NO. AND THOSE WERE THE TWO AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS GABER? HEARING? NONE. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND THEN DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD A LITTLE BIT LONGER HERE. WE HAD TEN ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS MONTH WHICH WAS A LOT. AND THEY WERE SOME BIG ITEMS. THE FIRST ITEM WAS MAPLE MEADOWS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A NEW SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT OFF OF. LET ME GET YOUR PARCEL NUMBER HERE OFF OF MILFORD AVENUE. 
          PARCEL ID 2900191250020. THAT WAS APPROVED WITH A VOTE OF SEVEN. YES ZERO NO. THE NEXT ITEM WAS FOR THE BUILDING WHERE BACCATA TATTOO IS LOCATED IN THE UPTOWN, RIGHT NEXT TO 
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FIESTA GRANDE. SO THEY'RE DOING SOME EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WAS TABLED SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO. 
          THE NEXT ITEM WAS FOR AN EXTERIOR PLAN FOR A PROPOSED DOOR REPLACEMENT, WHICH THEY TOOK A DOOR AND REPLACED IT WITH A WINDOW. THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN OUR VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AT 602 WEST FOURTH STREET. THIS ITEM WAS ALSO TABLED. THE NEXT ITEM UP WAS 517 EAST FIFTH STREET AT BAILEY'S LLC IN OUR UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT. IT WAS APPROVED WITH A VOTE OF FOUR. YES THREE NO. THAT WAS FOR EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS FOR WINDOWS. ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN THE UPTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR 112 SOUTH MAIN STREET, WHICH IS SECOND CHANCES, THAT IS, FOR EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS. AND THAT WAS APPROVED WITH SOME CONDITIONS FOR SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO. AND THEN THEY'LL BE COMING BACK LATER TO DISCUSS THEIR SIGNAGE. SO THE SIGNAGE PORTION WAS TABLED ON TO NEW BUSINESS ITEMS. WE HAD ANOTHER APPLICATION IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AT 204 EAST FOURTH STREET, WHICH IS THE CABINET BUILDING THAT WAS APPROVED. SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO. WE HAD AN APPLICATION FOR THE ACURA DEALERSHIP AT 620 COLEMAN'S CROSSING BOULEVARD. THIS ITEM WAS ALSO APPROVED. 
          SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO. AND THEN WE HAD MARYSVILLE NORTH COMING THROUGH FOR SUBAREA B IN SUBAREA D, THOSE WERE APPROVED WITH A VOTE OF SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO. WE HAVE A NEW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH COMMERCIAL SPACES. OFFICE. NO. NO. RESIDENTIAL. BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE LOCATED AT STATE ROUTE 736 AND FOXFIRE DRIVE. THIS IS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. AND THAT WAS APPROVED. SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WAS FOR MARYSVILLE EAST, WHICH IS OUR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS IS FOR KIRK'S LANDING, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT THROUGH WILCOX. AND THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          SEVEN. YES. ZERO. NO. A LOT OF ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS GARBER? HEARING NONE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. OH, MISS KYLE, YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR 
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RESOLUTION. NO. AGAIN, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. RESOLUTION A OKAY. FIRST READING INTRODUCTION TO ALLOW THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION REIMBURSEMENT GRANT FUNDING THROUGH THE STATE OF OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROJECTS, AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. MR. HOYNE, FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. SO THIS IS FOR A FUNDING APPLICATION FOR THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM. AND BEFORE I GET INTO THE ACTUAL REQUEST, JUST WANTED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW KIND OF WHAT THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM IS. SO IT'S A PROGRAM THAT PROMOTES STUDENT SAFETY AND ENCOURAGES STUDENTS TO WALK OR BIKE TO SCHOOL. I KNOW IN THE 20 TENS, WE WERE VERY ACTIVE WITH THIS PROGRAM. OVER THE PAST 5 OR 6 YEARS, WE HAVE NOT HAD THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM, SO WE'RE KIND OF KICKING THINGS BACK OFF. WE'VE GOT A GREAT TEAM, SO IT KIND OF IS COMPRISED OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DIVISION, THE SCHOOLS AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. SO WE'VE GOT REPRESENTATION FROM ALL OF THOSE GROUPS. WE MEET ON A MONTHLY BASIS. KIND OF LOOK AT THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THE EXISTING KIND OF ENVIRONMENT FOR STUDENTS TO WALK OR BIKE TO SCHOOL, TRY TO COME UP WITH ANY SOLUTIONS TO IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, THE WALKING OR BIKING TO SCHOOL. SO THAT'S KIND OF A BACKGROUND OF WHAT THE PROGRAM IS. NOW FOR THE FUNDING REQUEST. THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT FUNDING AVENUES THROUGH ODOT FOR THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM. ONE IS TO APPLY FOR A SCHOOL TRAVEL PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SCHOOL TRAVEL PLAN. THE OTHER ONE IS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WITHIN TWO MILES OF A SCHOOL. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS FOR NON-INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT ACTIVITIES SUCH AS LIKE EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS, ENGAGEMENT, THIS REQUEST IS TO DEVELOP A SCHOOL TRAVEL PLAN. OKAY. AND THE REASON WE'RE REQUESTING THIS IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SCHOOL OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN UPDATED SCHOOL TRAVEL PLAN IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR ANY FUTURE FUNDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE STUFF. OKAY. 
          OUR CURRENT SCHOOL TRAVEL PLAN WAS CREATED IN 2010, SO IT'S OUTDATED. THIS REQUEST WOULD ALLOW US TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO PUT TOGETHER THAT SCHOOL TRAVEL PLAN FOR US, AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN APPLY FOR FUTURE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. SO THE REQUEST HERE IS TO HAVE 
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A CONSULTANT SUBMIT AN APPLICATION ON OUR BEHALF. ODOT WILL EITHER, DEPENDING ON HOW WE WORK OUT THE AGREEMENT OR HOW THE FUNDING GOES, ODOT WILL EITHER REIMBURSE US OR REIMBURSE OUR CONSULTANT 100% OF THE COST. SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL FEES. FROM OUR STANDPOINT, COUNCIL. KYLE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I BELIEVE THERE IS A CERTAIN DEADLINE, CORRECT? YEAH, THE DEADLINE IS DECEMBER 1ST FOR THAT APPLICATION. AND THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR ODOT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD WE DEALT WITH THAT MANY YEARS AGO. AND I'VE SEEN OVER TIME WHEN WE WERE DOING THE PROGRAM, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MADE. SO I DEFINITELY SUPPORT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND USUALLY OBVIOUSLY WE TRY TO ELIMINATE EMERGENCY CLAUSES, READING READINGS OR WHATNOT. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SINCE WE ARE PUSHING UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE, YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS THING GO AS ALL THE WAY. CORRECT. AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. SO WE RESTARTED THE PROGRAM IN EARLY NOVEMBER, AND WHEN WE WERE SITTING AROUND TALKING AND STARTED LOOKING AT, HEY, HOW CAN WE APPLY FOR FUNDING ON THE WEBSITE? WE SAW THE APPLICATION DEADLINE WAS DECEMBER 1ST. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE STUMBLED UPON THIS APPLICATION, AND WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT AS WELL TAKE A STAB AT IT. IF WE DON'T GET IT, WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT THE NEXT FUNDING CYCLE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. IF THERE IS NOBODY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING. OKAY. IF THERE IS NOBODY ELSE, I'D LIKE TO ADD THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE TO THIS LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. REAMES. YES, MISS CRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURR YES. MR. BERGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. SEVEN. YES. EMERGENCY. YOU GO. YEAH. MR. PRESIDENT, MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING ROLL CALL. MISS CRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF YES. 
          MR. BURR YES. MR. BERGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES. YES. SEVEN. YES. SECOND READING WAIVED BECAUSE OF WAIVING SECOND READING, IS THERE NOW IT'S CITIZENS ARE ABLE TO SPEAK. 
          SO IS THERE ANY CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? SEEING NO DASH. NO. OKAY. 
          HEARING NONE OR SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION TO WAIVE THIRD READING, MISS PRESIDENT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THIRD READING. ROLL CALL, MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. YES. 
          MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS. CRAMER. YES. SEVEN. YES. THIRD READING WAIVED. THANK YOU. OH, WE STILL HAVE THE MOTION TO PASS LEGISLATION, MR. PRESIDENT. 
          I'LL MAKE. MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. OKAY. ROLL CALL MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURBY. YES. MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS CRAMER YES. 
          [Ord. A]
MR. BORDNER YES, LEGISLATION PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ORDINANCES ORDINANCE, A THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11, ZONING CODE, SECTION 1120 3.29 OPEN SPACE REGULATIONS ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND THE IMPACT TO THE PRICE OF HOMES. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TIME WHERE INTEREST RATES ARE DOUBLE WHAT THEY WERE A FEW YEARS AGO. HOME PRICES ARE UP. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A HOUSING ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABILITY. YOU KNOW, WE'VE SAID IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE THE PRICE OF LUMBER CHEAPER. I CAN'T MAKE THE PRICE OF A ROOF CHEAPER. YOU KNOW, OUR ABILITY TO INFLUENCE AFFORDABILITY IS LIMITED. AND WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN THE APPROACH THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT AFFORDABILITY. LIKE AS MENTIONED, IT'S 30% OF YOUR INCOME. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY. SO OUR APPROACH HAS BEEN WELL, LET'S TRY TO FIND GOOD PAYING JOBS. LET'S WORK ON THAT SIDE OF THE FORMULA. BUT HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE PRICES. AND YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE THINGS YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, INCREASING GREEN SPACE, INCREASING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LANDSCAPING OF THOSE GREEN SPACES. IT ADDS COST. AND THOSE COSTS GET PASSED ON TO THE PEOPLE BUYING THE HOMES. YOU 
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KNOW, THIS THIS EXAMPLE WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, YOU KNOW, INCREASES THE COST. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, A POND, YOU KNOW, THE INCREASE IN THE COST TO LANDSCAPE THAT POND. WE'RE WE'RE REQUIRING NATIVE PLANTS. WE'RE REQUIRING TREES PLANTED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE POND, A ONE AND A HALF ACRE POND. THE COST TO DO THE LANDSCAPING IS ESTIMATED AT ABOUT $29,750. AND IF YOU TAKE THAT AND APPLY THAT TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE RECENTLY LOOKED AT, WHICH IS MARYSVILLE NORTH, THINK ABOUT OVER 15 ACRES OF PONDS. THE COST TO BRING THAT LANDSCAPING INTO COMPLIANCE IS ESTIMATED AT OVER $300,000, AND THAT BEING PAID BY THE HOMEOWNERS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING THAT COST ONTO THE HOMES. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RECOUPING THOSE COSTS, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST WONDER. ARE WE GOING A LITTLE TOO FAR, A LITTLE TOO FAST? AND, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE MAYBE TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND SEE CAN WE COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF A COMPROMISE THAT, YOU KNOW, INCREASES OUR DESIGN STANDARD QUALITY BUT DOESN'T INCREASE THE PRICE QUITE SO TREMENDOUSLY? YOU KNOW, TAKING TAKING PONDS OUT OF, OUT OF WHAT WE ALLOW AS GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT ADDS 5 TO 6% TO THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. 
          THAT'S ADDING COSTS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT AT A TIME WHEN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IS AN ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ACTIONS THAT MAKE IT EVEN MORE UNAFFORDABLE. AND MR. PRESIDENT, IF I, IF I MAY, I JUST I WOULD BE I'M GOING TO OFFER ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I APPRECIATE YOUR VIEWPOINTS. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE TONIGHT OR AN INDIVIDUAL TONIGHT REGARDING THE AFFORDABILITY AND CITY OF MARYSVILLE. AND FORTUNATELY FOR ME, I WAS ABLE TO READ MARYSVILLE MATTERS ARTICLE FROM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE FRIDAY OR THURSDAY LAST WEEK. AND MR. CASE DID DID AN AFFORDABILITY ANALYSIS ON THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. AND I, I THINK THAT WHAT I HEARD FROM MR. BARICH, I BELIEVE WHEN HE WAS UP ADDRESSING THIS COUNCIL WAS THE MEDIAN VALUE OF A NEW HOME WAS 492,000. HOWEVER, WHEN I READ THE ARTICLE IN THE MARYSVILLE MATTERS, THE MEDIAN VALUE OF A HOME RANGED FROM LIKE 364 TO 392. I DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE MID MID THREE HUNDREDS. AND THAT AFFORDABILITY IN MARYSVILLE WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY AFFORDABLE. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, MR. BURKE SAID. I THINK THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME WAS ABOUT 110,000, WHICH IT ALIGNED ROUGHLY TO WHAT MR. CASE SAID. AND, AND THE MARYSVILLE MATTERS ARTICLE. BUT I WOULD JUST I WOULD OFFER THAT PERSPECTIVE TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS A DEVELOPER COMING UP HERE AND TELLING YOU HOW YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COSTS AND MAYBE ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING. I DON'T WANT TO SAY ARTIFICIALLY INFLATED, BUT NOT NOT USING THE THE A GENUINE NUMBER. I DON'T WANT TO SAY GENUINE EITHER, BUT, YOU KNOW, NEW HOMES. YES. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MEDIAN HOME, I HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. SO AND THEN I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          MATTER OF FACT, I GOT A TEXT MESSAGE THIS AFTERNOON FROM FROM A RESIDENT APPLAUDING THIS COUNCIL FOR ALL OF THESE ZONING CHANGES THAT WE'VE THAT WE'VE PUSHED FORTH BECAUSE IT'S IT'S COUNCIL TAKING CONTROL OVER HOW WE DEVELOP AS A, AS A COMMUNITY, NOT THE DEVELOPER. AND WHAT WE HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THE THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY SAYING, WE NEED TO SLOW GROWTH. 
          WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PAUSE. AND REALLY, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT IS THROUGH OUR ZONING TEXT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, HINDER OR PROHIBIT PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME. BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT MARYSVILLE IS SO OUTRAGEOUSLY UNAFFORDABLE. BUT MAYBE THE, THE, THE, THE VIEWPOINT WILL CHANGE, WHETHER YOU'RE OVER HERE OR OVER THERE. SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS. I THINK THIS CHANGE IS LESS OF AN IMPACT COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHERS, BUT IT IT DEFINITELY INCREASES THE PRICE OF A LOT. I MEAN, ADDING GREEN SPACE AND ADDITIONAL 5 TO 6% FOR GREEN SPACE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INCLUDING THE PONDS. THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE PRICE OF A LOT. ADDING THE LANDSCAPING THAT INCREASES THE PRICE OF A LOT. SO, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK 
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ABOUT THE EXACT NUMBER. AND AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO VARY. BUT IT IS WITHOUT ANY QUESTION OF FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE COST. BUT LET'S LET'S NOT BELABOR THE TOPIC. IF IS DOES COUNCIL HAVE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAN WHAT MR. REAMS HAS ALREADY STATED? IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE LEGISLATION? MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. OKAY. ROLL CALL MR. BURPEE YES. MR. BURGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMS NO. 
          MISS CRAMER YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF YES. SIX. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE BE 
          [Ord. B]
THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1107 .18 AND SECTION 1107 .19 RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE AND PSD, VRD, HMD UWT AND USF ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THESE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR A GARAGE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME SOME GOOD THINGS WE'RE SEEING HERE. SET SETTING THEM BACK. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POSITIVE CHANGE. ADDING THE HARDWARE AND INCREASING THE APPEARANCE. I THINK THAT'S GREAT TOO. AND YOU KNOW THE COST IS NOT SIGNIFICANT. SO YOU KNOW I'M I'M A BIG FAN OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. 
          THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL HEARING. NONE. IS THERE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION? MR. PRESIDENT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. BURGER. YES. MR. HUNTER? YES, MR. REAMES. YES. MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF 
          [Ord. C]
YES. MR. BURPEE YES. SEVEN. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE C, THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11, ZONING CODE 1105 .09 RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION LOT VARIABILITY, ADMINISTRATION, NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. MR. PRESIDENT, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO SAY. SIDE LOADING GARAGES. IF WE REQUIRE THOSE TO BE MORE THAN 20% AND WE EXCLUDE CORNER LOTS FROM HELPING TO ACHIEVE THAT, WE'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 25FT TO THE WIDTH OF A OF A LOT IN ORDER TO INCREASE OR IN ORDER TO HAVE THE SIDE LOAD GARAGE, THAT'S GOING TO ADD ABOUT 500FTS OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. SO WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE OUR STORMWATER LOADING. ADDITIONALLY, ADDING THAT MUCH TO THE WIDTH OF A LOT INCREASES THE COST OF ALL THE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE ADDITIONAL 25FT OF ASPHALT, THE ADDITIONAL 25FT OF CURBS, THE ADDITIONAL 25FT OF WATER LINES, STORM WATER LINES, WATER LINES, ALL OF THAT INCREASES INCREASES THE PRICE OF A LOT BY APPROXIMATELY $50,000. AND IT ALSO INCREASES THE COST OF A DRIVEWAY BY ABOUT 5700 TO $8000, DEPENDING ON THE WIDTH OF THE LOT. WE'RE GETTING LESS GREEN SPACE, MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, AND BY NOT INCLUDING CORNER LOTS, WE'RE TAKING AWAY AN INCENTIVE WE HAVE FOR IMPROVING THE TRAFFIC FLOW. YOU KNOW, A CORNER LOT. 
          IF YOU CAN GET CARS TO EXIT ON A SIDE ROAD INSTEAD OF AN ARTERIAL ROAD, YOU KNOW YOU CAN IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW. YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE BACKING OUT ONTO A MAIN ARTERIAL, AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THAT TO COUNT FOR THE 20%. YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK THERE'S SOME ISSUES HERE THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO EXCLUDE CORNER LOTS FROM THAT? NOT NOT ONLY DOES IT IMPROVE TRAFFIC, BUT IT REQUIRES LESS CONCRETE ON ON A CORNER LOT TO PUT THAT DRIVEWAY IN. YOU KNOW, WE CAN ACHIEVE THE SAME LOOK WITH LESS CONCRETE, LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW AT A REDUCED COST. I MEAN, I, I DON'T GET WHY WE'RE EXCLUDING SIDE LOAD GARAGES ON CORNER LOTS FROM MEETING THIS REQUIREMENT. I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, BUT I ALSO WISH YOU HAD THE SAME CONSIDERATION FOR DOCTOR MACGYVER'S LAND BEFORE IT WAS LEVELED FOR KROGER'S GAS STATION AND A KROGER STORE, AND THE AMOUNT OF ASPHALT THAT IS IN THAT AREA WITH LESS AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING. AND THAT USED TO BE A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF 
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PROPERTY AND ALL THAT WATER IS NOW FLOWING INTO OUR CITY WATER LINES AND THE WALMART PARKING LOT AND ALL THE OTHER. AND RURAL KING. THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING LOT GUYS THAT HAVE NO LANDSCAPING IN IT, AND LOOK AT ALL THAT WATER THAT'S BEING FUNNELED. BUT ANYTIME WE TRY TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ISSUE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS? I WOULD MOVE TO ALLOW CORNER LOTS TO COUNT TOWARDS MEETING THE 20% REQUIREMENT. DO YOU WANT TO SAY WHY CORNER LOT OR NOT PART OF IT. I GUESS FOR MY. SO THERE'S A MOTION NOW JUST YOU KNOW REITERATE THAT POINT. SO FROM MY VIEWPOINT WE SAW IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2017, ADOPTED IN 2018, YOU SAW THE TYPES OF HOMES THAT RECEIVED THE LEAST NUMBER OF VOTES FROM RESIDENTS. AND THAT WAS BASICALLY THE MODERN HOME THAT YOU SEE, WHICH IS A STREET LINED WITH HOMES THAT THAT THE GARAGE IS FACING THE STREET. 
          AND WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXCESSIVE NUMBER OF THEM, WHAT IT DOES IS IT INTERRUPTS WALKABILITY AND IT INTERRUPTS PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IN FAVOR OF AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC. I THINK FROM MY VIEWPOINT, WHAT I SEE THIS IS REQUIRING IS AN OVERALL LARGE PLOT OF LAND, AND THE REQUIREMENT MOVES TO INCORPORATE SOME LEVEL OF DESIGN VARIATION IN THAT OVERALL DEVELOPMENT AND ALLOW POCKETS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOMMODATE MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY TYPE ENVIRONMENT. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF MY TAKE ON THIS. AND I LOOK AT IT AS A WAY ALSO OF CAPTURING WE HAVE A VISION STATEMENT TO DO WELL-PLANNED NEIGHBORHOODS. WE ALSO HAVE SOME THOUGHT AND SOME DESIRE TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING IN A WAY THAT IS MORE HISTORIC, LIKE. AND IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LOADING OF OF HOMES, AND IT IS OFTEN, YOU KNOW, MORE ACCOMMODATING TO A PEDESTRIAN, LESS ACCOMMODATING TO THE MODERN DAY VEHICLE. I LIKE TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, CALL ME SOMEONE WHO'S A LITTLE BIT OUT THERE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I SEE IN 50 YEARS THE THE DYNAMICS OF AUTOMOBILES IN OUR SOCIETY CAN BE DIFFERENT. AND PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT A GARAGE FOR THE SAME PURPOSE. THEY WANT IT TODAY. SO I JUST THINK OF THIS AS, AS A FORWARD LOOKING ZONING AMENDMENT. DON'T CORNER LOT SIDE LOAD GARAGES ACCOMPLISH THE SAME. I SEE IT AS A DIFFERENT PIECE OF THE OVERALL PUZZLE. THAT'S KIND OF HOW I CONSIDER THAT. SO HEARING NO OTHER COMMENTS DO YOU WANT TO. HE'S GOT A MOTION. DO WE HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL ON THE MOTION? OKAY. AND THE MOTION WAS TO AMEND IT TO INCLUDE CORNER LOTS IN THE COUNT. YES, MR. HUNTER. NO. MR. REAMS. YES. 
          MISS. KRAMER? NO. MR. BORDNER. NO. MR. WOLFE. NO. MR. BURBY, NO. MR. BURGER, NO MOTION FAILED. IS THERE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION? MR. PRESIDENT? MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. REAMS. NO. MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFE. 
          YES. MR. BURPEE YES. MR. BURGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE E. 
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I BELIEVE WE'RE ON ORDINANCE D D I'M SO SORRY. ORDINANCE D, THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1107 .14 LOTS. SECTION 1121 .07 THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .10 VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .12 HOSPITAL. MIXED USE DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .20 UPTOWN. SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND SECTION 1121 .21 UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. 
          COUNCIL I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. SO REMOVAL OF FRONT LOADING GARAGES ON LOTS BETWEEN 40 AND 60 FOOT LOTS. YOU KNOW ALL LOTS LESS THAN 60 HAVE TO BE REAR LOADED. YOU KNOW THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE ALLEYS, RIGHT? AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR ALLEYS WHERE WE'VE GOT GARAGES UP AGAINST ALLEY, FENCES UP AGAINST ALLEY, AND YOU THINK ABOUT A SNOWPLOW. SNOWPLOW, 
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WHERE'S THE SNOW? GET PUSHED TO THE SIDE. RIGHT. AND WE WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLOW AN ALLEY. YOU KNOW, IT CREATES AN ISSUE. IT ALSO INCREASES BY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL ROAD, AN ALLEYWAY. IT'S INCREASING THE COST AGAIN OF A LOT. THE ESTIMATES ARE 25 TO $30,000 ON AN INCREASE IN THE LOT. I DIDN'T MENTION THIS EARLIER, BUT THERE'S A MULTIPLIER. YOU KNOW, THAT BUILDERS TYPICALLY USE IF A LOT COSTS A CERTAIN AMOUNT X, THE PRICE OF A HOME IS GOING TO BE 4 TO 5 TIMES THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RECOUP THEIR COSTS. SO WHEN YOU INCREASE THE PRICE OF A LOT BY 25,000, YOU COULD BE INCREASING THE PRICE OF A HOME BY 100,000. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS REALLY GOING TO INCREASE THE PRICE OF HOMES, THE PRICE OF LOTS ON THESE SMALL LOTS. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SUSTAINABLE FOR FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT AND EVERY HOME. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DESIGNING STANDARDS FOR HIGHER END HOMES. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT, ENTRY LEVEL, MID UPPER LEVEL. 
          AND I MEAN THESE CHANGES, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THESE THAT ARE GOING TO PRICE THAT ENTRY LEVEL HOME, YOU KNOW, OUT OF OUT OF AFFORDABILITY. AND YOU KNOW THIS IS ONE OF THEM. I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THESE OBJECTIVES AT A LOWER COST. IS IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? I BELIEVE THERE WAS ABOUT 12 TO 18 MONTHS OF TIME SPENT EVALUATING THESE, AND ONLY UNTIL WE COME TO VOTE IS THE CONCERN RAISED. MR. REAMS. THAT'S WHAT. THAT'S WHERE I'LL LEAVE IT. THANK YOU. HAS THERE EVER BEEN A COST ESTIMATE SHARED? YOU WANT TO DO A COST ESTIMATE FOR EVERY SINGLE CHANGE POINT. SO I'LL TAKE THAT AS A NO. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? I MEAN, WE CAN START BALANCING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THEN AND SAY TO THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE THAT ANY JOB THAT DOESN'T PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT TO COME TO MARYSVILLE THEN. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THEN. I MEAN, WE JUST MAKE EVERYTHING HAVE A COST, COST TO IT. IS THERE ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I JUST WANT TO ADD A COMMENT IF I COULD. SO I UNDERSTAND WHEN I LOOK AT OUR, OUR, OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF OUR COMP PLAN, I SEE OUR CITY SURROUNDED BY A BUNCH OF KIND OF CROSS MARKED YELLOW SHADING, AND THAT'S THAT'S SHOWING SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL GROWTH IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR IF WE WERE TO GROW OUTWARD, WHICH WE HAVE, YOU, YOU WOULD EXPECT US TO DEVELOP IN THE PATTERN OF SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL GROWTH AND IN CITY ZONING. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A 55 FOOT LOT WIDTH MINIMUM. AND THIS IS SAYING IN THESE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WHICH THE PREDOMINANT GROWTH DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE SR, THAT HOMES ON 60 FOOT AND LESS ARE SUBJECT TO THIS REQUIREMENT. WHAT ABOUT 60 FOOT ONE INCH THEN? THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENT. WHEN I LOOK AT WHEN I WAS PART OF THE A GROUP HAD REVIEWED THESE. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAD MET FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS, ABOUT A YEAR, BUT WE HAD SPENT MUCH OF THAT TIME DISCUSSING ZONING GOALS FOR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN THE, I WOULD SAY, SPRING SUMMER TIME. IT WAS A SHIFT TOWARDS MORE STRAIGHT ZONING. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES, 55 LOT, MINIMUM LOT WIDTHS IS NOT ADOPTED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. 
          I'LL THERE'S ONE COMMUNITY RIGHT DOWN 33 THAT HAS 70 FOOT LOT MINIMUM IN THEIR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. SO ARE WE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TOO FAR ONE WAY I, YOU KNOW, 55 LOT WIDTH. YOU COULD ARGUE MAYBE MAYBE WE'RE ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE SCALE NOW. SO THIS IS THIS IS CHANGING SOME THINGS. BUT I APPRECIATE THE VIEWPOINT. AND IN FACT I THINK THERE WASN'T FROM MY RECOLLECTION A COST STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED. BUT THERE WERE POINTS PRESENTED BY THE CONSULTANT THAT WAS WORKING WITH US ABOUT IMPACTS TO SUCH THINGS AS AFFORDABILITY, AS 
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THERE WAS POINTS BROUGHT UP TO THE IMPACT THAT MANY OF THESE ZONING CHANGES HAVE IN TERMS OF OUR OUR PLANNING ZONING STAFF AS IT RELATES TO REVIEWING PROPOSALS AND PLANS. SO THERE WERE THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS, SURE, THAT I'VE GIVEN AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST I QUESTION WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE SPECTRUM, AND I FEEL AS IF I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE MOVE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. IS THERE A MOTION? MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLF. YES. MR. BERBEE YES. 
          MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES NO. SIX. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES. NOW. WE'RE 
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AT ORDINANCE E. THIRD READING. VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1107 .19 RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE. AND. SR. BIRD R D H MD, UT, USF SECTION 1125 .04 LANDSCAPE PLAN REQUIREMENTS SECTION 1125 .06 MINIMUM LANDSCAPE STANDARDS AND SECTION 1125 .08 INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE. AND I DO HAVE A DOCUMENT TO PULL UP HERE. 
          OKAY. WHO? YEAH, I THINK STAFF WILL HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. IS IT MISS TABOR? YES. I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS. MACKENZIE WILL WILL PULL UP THAT SLIDE. BUT AS WE WAIT FOR THAT TO COME UP IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE DISCUSSED TOPSOIL AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER ADDING A REQUIREMENT FOR TOPSOIL WITHIN THE PLANT BEDS TO ENSURE THOSE ARE THOSE ARE GETTING POSITIVE DRAINAGE INTO THE YARD, AS WELL AS GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE PLANTS TO GROW IN SOME OF THE SOIL TYPES WE HAVE HERE. SO WE HAVE PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION TONIGHT WHERE WE WOULD TILL THE TOP OF THE EXISTING SOIL AND THEN ADD IN ADDITIONAL SIX INCHES OF TOPSOIL, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT POSITIVE DRAINAGE. AND KYLE AND I MET WITH COUNCILMAN BURBY ON THIS, AS WELL AS ANOTHER AMENDMENT YOU'LL SEE HERE IN A A COUPLE DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS DOWN THE ROAD HERE. AND SO WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS WITH HIM AND WANTED TO PRESENT THIS TONIGHT. 
          COUNCIL. DO WE DO WE HAVE ANY ESTIMATE ON THE COST OF THAT CHANGE. SO THE. FOUNDATION THIS WOULD ONLY BE FOR RESIDENTIAL. ALSO ON THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS WHICH WOULD BE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THEN UP TO TEN FEET DOWN ON EITHER SIDE. SO I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT FOR THE TOPSOIL, MAYBE AROUND $1,000 I WOULD ESTIMATE OR LESS. OKAY, I GUESS I MIGHT ADD TO THAT. I WOULD HOPE THE BUILDERS ARE PUTTING TOPSOIL IN THE LANDSCAPE BEDS ANYWAY, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY TYPICALLY PUT IN THE LANDSCAPE BEDS. WE ASSUME TOPSOIL, SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF SPECIFYING THAT DEPTH. YEAH, I THINK I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS SIX INCH PROPOSALS FROM I THINK MARYSVILLE EAST ON ON THAT SIDE SIX INCHES WAS WAS PROPOSED. IF I, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, MISS AVERY, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN THAT PD OR WE CAN WE CAN DO A FACT CHECK LATER ON. BUT BUT I FEEL LIKE SIX INCHES WAS PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPER. AND FOR THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THAT. YEAH. AND THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FOR THEIR BUFFERING THEIR MOUNDING AND SUCH. I'LL HAVE TO LET ME LOOK THROUGH THAT AND SEE. ARE YOU THINKING THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF MARYSVILLE EAST? YEAH, I, I THINK SO, MAYBE. 
          OKAY. YEP. WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT. BUT WAS WAS I THINK MR. BARICH SAID. YEAH, THAT WAS WHAT WAS IN THERE. YEAH. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING FOR ADDITIONAL TOPSOIL. I KNOW IN BOTH OF MY HOMES, I BROUGHT IN AND PAID EXTRA FOR THE TOPSOIL IN THE PLANTING BEDS. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXTRA COST FOR THAT, WHATEVER THAT MAY END UP BE A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS TO $1,000, MAYBE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE TREES AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD ADD COST. BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY A LOT OF HOMES ALREADY HAVE A TREE IN THEIR FRONT YARD. THEY'VE ALREADY GOT LANDSCAPE PLANTS ALONG THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THOSE THINGS MAY COST, YOU KNOW, 500 TO $1500, IT'S 
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IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT THAT'S AN INCREASE WHEN THAT'S ALREADY BEING BUILT IN. A LOT OF THESE HOMES ALREADY, BUT I GUESS IT DOES ESTABLISH THAT AS A MINIMUM. AND I THINK IT'S IT'S A SMALL COST IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, COUNCILMAN REAMS WAS IF IT'S NOT DONE INITIALLY, THAT MIGHT BE AN ADDITIONAL COST ON THE HOMEOWNER LATER AND ALSO THEN HAVING TO REPLACE SOME OF THAT PLANT MATERIAL THAT'S DIED BECAUSE THAT TOPSOIL WASN'T THERE INITIALLY. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF, OF A HEADACHE WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT AFTERWARDS. AND DID IT DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME? YES. THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. AND CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE. WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION BUT CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY FOR HOW TO APPLY. AND THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WE HAD WOULD BE YOUR, YOUR BASE. AND THEN X NUMBER OF SOIL ON TOP OF IT. NOW WE'RE MAKING A DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN SOD WITH SOME BUILDERS PREFER BUT ARE STILL BUILDERS OUT THERE THAT WOULD PREFER TO DO SEED. YEAH. 
          SO I THINK MR. BERMAN THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AGENDA OR ORDINANCE H OKAY. I'M SORRY. 
          THEN I'LL, I'LL REFRAIN FROM THAT COMMENT. OKAY. IS IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE. IS THERE A MOTION TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION AS PRESENTED? MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION AS PRESENTED. ROLL CALL, MR. BORDNER. YES, MR. WOLFE? YES. MR. KIRBY. YES. MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS. CRAMER. YES. SEVEN. YES. LEGISLATION IS AMENDED. SO NOW THIS LEGISLATION AS AMENDED, IS BACK FOR SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY CITIZENS LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? HEARING NONE. IS THERE A MOTION TO WAIVE THIRD READING? I MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THIRD READING. OKAY. WHY DO WE WHY DO WE NEED TO WAIVE IT? I THINK WE'RE I THINK IT'S JUST UP FOR DEBATE IF SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT TO IF IT GETS VOTED DOWN, IT GETS VOTED DOWN. BUT IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THEM ALL PASSED AT ONE TIME INSTEAD OF COMING BACK TO IT. BUT IF IT DOESN'T PASS TONIGHT AND IT DOESN'T PASS TONIGHT. I JUST. I'M MR. PRESIDENT, WHY WOULD WHY WOULD WAIVE THE THIRD READING? I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE A ROOM FOR CITIZENS AND NO ONE SPOKE ON IT. ROLL CALL. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE MOTION TO WAIVE THE THIRD. YEAH, I THINK MOTION NEEDS TO BE MADE. SO HE DID. HEY, COUNCILMAN BURBY, DID I MAKE THE MOTION? OH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR HIM. OKAY. 
          IT'S OKAY, MR. WOLFE. YES, MR. BURBY. YES, MR. BERGER. YES, MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REAMES NO. 
          MISS CRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MOTION TO WAIVE PASSES. SO THEN. MOTION. YEAH, WE NEED A MOTION TO PASS. RIGHT. OKAY. MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION AS AMENDED. ROLL CALL. WHO MADE THE MOTION? WHO MADE THE MOTION? WE NEED A MOTION. OH, SORRY. MOTION. YEAH, I NEED A MOTION FROM PRESIDENT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION AS AMENDED. ROLL CALL, MR. BURBY. YES, MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS. CRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. SEVEN. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE F. THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A 
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ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1107 .19 RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE. 
          AND SWD, BIRD, ARD, HMD, UT, USF SECTION 1121 .07 THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          SECTION 1121 .10 VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .09 THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .12 HOSPITAL. MIXED USE DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .20 UPTOWN. SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .21 UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT AND THE APPENDIX. GLOSSARY OF TERMS. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. I FIGURED YOU WERE WANTING TO HEAR MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. YOU KNOW, FOR THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A BIG GROUP HERE. BASICALLY, IN SIMPLE TERMS, THIS REQUIRES FORESIGHTED ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF SOME SORT ON, YOU KNOW, ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE HOME OR IN OTHER WORDS, NO BLANK WALLS. IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT MOST HOMES ALREADY HAVE. IT'S NOT A 
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SIGNIFICANT COST IN MOST CASES. SO JUST KIND OF IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, THAT'S WHAT THIS ONE IS. 
          THANK YOU. SO I MIGHT MAKE THAT A MOTION. MR. PRESIDENT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. BURGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES. YES. MISS KRAMER. 
          YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF YES. MR. BURPEE YES. SEVEN. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE G 
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THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1107 .19 RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE. AND. SWD BIRD, ARD, HMD, UT, USF SECTION 1121 .07 THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .10 VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .09 THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .12 HOSPITAL. MIXED USE DISTRICT. SECTION 1121 .20 UPTOWN SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND SECTION 1121 .21 UPTOWN TRANSITIONAL DISTRICT. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW A SITUATION LIKE A COMMUNITY OF. I'VE SEEN SOME MID-CENTURY MODERN HOMES, LIKE COMMUNITIES OF HOMES BEING DEVELOPED. AND, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY THEY HAVE LOWER PITCHED ROOFS. SO HOW WOULD WE HANDLE A DEVELOPER WHO WANTED TO BUILD A COMMUNITY OF MCM STYLE HOMES OR, OR, OR IF IT WAS JUST AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDER, YOU KNOW, A HOMEOWNER WHO OWNED A LOT, HOW WOULD THEY HOW WOULD THEY HANDLE THAT SITUATION? YEAH, I THINK IF IT WAS AN INDIVIDUAL LOT, A VARIANCE REQUEST COULD HAPPEN FOR THAT. 
          GIVEN THAT THEY WANT TO DO A STYLE THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THAT. 
          IF IT'S A LARGER DEVELOPMENT, THAT MIGHT END UP BEING A PUD, IF THERE'S SOME OTHER ARCHITECTURAL STYLES THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN OUR STANDARD ZONING CODE. SO I THINK WE COULD GO EITHER ONE OF THOSE ROUTES. AND WHAT'S, I GUESS, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF 612? I I'LL SPEAK, MR. PRESIDENT, IF THAT'S OKAY. I GUESS FROM MY VIEWPOINT AND FROM MY RECOLLECTION OF SOME OF THE DIALOG THAT HAD OCCURRED WHEN, AGAIN, KIND OF LOOKING AT THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY AND WITH AN EXPECTATION THAT MUCH OF OUR RESIDENTIAL GROWTH IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR IN SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL. THERE, THERE WAS CONSIDERATION OR DISCUSSION ABOUT, WELL, WHAT IS WHAT IS THE MINIMUM PITCH THAT A BUILDER IS, IS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED BY BUILDING CODE. WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR OUR GEOGRAPHY IN TERMS OF LIKE SNOW SHED AND WHATNOT. AND THEN ALSO WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM A. AN ESTHETICS VIEWPOINT, WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM A CONSIDERING LIKE HISTORIC TYPE ARCHITECTURE, INCORPORATION INTO MODERN DESIGN, OTHER COMMUNITIES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES IN CENTRAL OHIO HAVE A VERY SIMILAR, IF NOT SAME REQUIREMENT. IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN PITCH PART OF THE ROOF. THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS IN THE CODE REVIEWED FROM ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT PITCHES OF GABLES OR WHATNOT COMING OFF OF THE MAIN, THE MAIN ROOF THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DIFFER, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES, IT'S NOT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DISSIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING. IS THERE A DO I HEAR A MOTION FROM SOMEBODY? MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REAMS? YES. 
          MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURR YES. MR. BERGER. YES. SEVEN. 
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YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE H THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTION 1109 .12 RESERVED. AND I HAVE A DOCUMENT TO PULL UP. AGAIN, WE DO HAVE COMMENTS AND POTENTIAL AMENDMENT HERE. SO THANK YOU. THANKS TO THE COUNCIL. SO SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT REGARDING TOPSOIL AND LANDSCAPE BEDS, WE MET WITH COUNCILMAN BURBY LAST WEEK TO DISCUSS TOPSOIL REQUIREMENTS FOR SEATING AND SIDING. AND UP ON THE SCREEN YOU'LL SEE TO THE LEFT THE CURRENT LEGISLATION, AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED AMENDED LEGISLATION. THE MAIN CHANGES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. 
          YOU'LL SEE ITEM A1 IS TO TILL THE TOP TWO INCHES OF NATIVE SOIL. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS 
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CRITICAL. JUST INSTEAD OF STRIPPING THE TOPSOIL OFF AND ADDING OR STRIPPING THE TOP OFF AND ADDING SOIL, AND KIND OF CREATE THAT BARRIER BETWEEN THE TOPSOIL AND THE NATIVE GROUND. 
          SO WE WANTED TO TILL OFF THE TOP TWO INCHES. AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO ITEM THREE FOR SEATING, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THREE INCHES OF TOPSOIL. AND FOR SOD WE'RE RECOMMENDING TWO INCHES OF TOPSOIL. SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. AND THEN ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE IS JUST BASICALLY JUST TO GET THAT, GET THAT SOIL READY FOR SEED OR SOD. SO THAT'S THE PROPOSED AMENDED LEGISLATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. COUNCIL. MR. PRESIDENT. SO I HAD NOT SEEN THE DETAILS OF THIS. SO I'LL SPEAK TO THE ORIGINAL AND THEN ESTIMATE WHAT THE CHANGE HERE WOULD BE. SO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, FOUR INCHES OF TOPSOIL ESTIMATED BETWEEN $3160 TO $5500 PER LOT IN ORDER TO TRUCK IN THAT TOPSOIL. OBVIOUSLY, IF IF IT'S SODDING YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT HALF THAT COST NOW. SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1600 AND 27 $2,800 INCREASED IN COST FOR THE TOPSOIL. I GUESS FOR SOD. WHY NOT? WHY NOT JUST SAY, OR MAYBE FOR BOTH, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE NOT REQUIRE THAT A DEVELOPER KEEP THE TOPSOIL ON SITE AND SPREAD IT OUT? YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE FINAL GRADE? FOR SODDING AT LEAST, RATHER THAN ADDING AND TRUCKING IN, YOU KNOW, EXTRA TOPSOIL, WHY NOT JUST LET THEM SAVE WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THEIR SITE PREP AND THEN SPREAD IT ON THE LOT WHEN THEY'RE DONE? YEAH, YEAH. SO THIS THIS IS NOT A MEANS AND METHOD SPECIFICATION. THIS JUST IT DOESN'T TELL THE CONTRACTOR OR BUILDER HOW OR WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GET IT. SO IF THEY WANT TO STRIP THAT TOPSOIL, STORE IT ON SITE AND RESPREAD IT, THEY CAN DO THAT. AND IF I MAY, I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE FREQUENTLY AND IT WAS ALWAYS THE $1,500 QUESTION, CAN YOU SCRAPE OFF THE TOPSOIL AND SELL IT, THEN START TO DIG A BASEMENT AND THEN THAT COMES UP. THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE FOUNDATION FOR GRASS TO GROW. AND I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU. IF YOU ARE A BUILDER. YEAH. YOU WOULD YOU WOULD TAKE ONE PROPERTY AND YOU WOULD USE THE TOPSOIL FROM THAT ON A PREVIOUS, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE NO ADDITIONAL EXPENSE TO IT. BUT WHAT REALLY THE CRITICAL POINT IS, IS THAT AND I SPENT A COUPLE HOURS OVER AT THE DEVELOPER, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OFF OF 31 AND RAIN MEADOWS, I BELIEVE, OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. AND THEY GO IN THERE WITH A LOT OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT, AND THEN THEY LEVEL IT OFF. YEAH, THERE ARE BRICKS IN THERE. 
          THERE ARE STONES IN THERE. THERE ARE TWO BY FOURS IN THERE. AND OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS THOSE ARE ALL BEING PUSHED TO THE TOP. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE, YES, WE WILL HAVE THE ROTOTILL THAT LOOSENS UP THE SOIL AND GIVES A MORE PRUDENT FOUNDATION FOR EITHER SIDE OR SEED. YEAH. SO YOU CAN BE RELATIVELY MINIMAL ON THE AMOUNT OF TOPSOIL. YEAH. UNLESS YOU SCRAPE IT OFF AND SELL IT. YEAH. THEN YOU HAVE TO START ALL OVER. BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE THE TOPSOIL THAT'S THERE FOR SOME OF YOUR OTHER PROPERTIES. YEAH. AND THE ONE, THE ONE THING THAT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. YEAH. BECAUSE EVENTUALLY AND IF YOU LOOK THROUGH MARYSVILLE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT RESIDENTIAL IS NOT REALLY THE BIGGEST CULPRIT. YEAH. THE BIGGEST CULPRIT IS COMMERCIAL. UNFORTUNATELY, IF IF YOU DRIVE INTO INNOVATION WAY THAT WAS PUT IN MAYBE 8 OR 9 YEARS AGO, AND IF THEY GO IN THE SUMMERTIME, ALL THEY'RE DOING IS MOWING SOIL. THEY'RE NOT MOWING GRASS BECAUSE THERE IS NO GRASS. THERE WAS NEVER ATTENTION PAID TO THIS. SO HOPEFULLY WITH THIS WE CAN SLOWLY, SLOWLY, IF WE ALSO CAN 
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GET THIS INTO THE COMMERCIAL SITE AND THEN USE THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS AND SAME AS GOING TO MULTIFAMILIES THAT WE HAVE ONE POLICY THAT WOULD COVER THE WHOLE CITY. THAT'S THE ULTIMATE GOAL FOR THIS. BUT LET LET'S START UP HERE FIRST. AND AGAIN, THE INCREASE IN COST AND THE NECESSITY OF DOING IT RIGHT. BECAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT YOU HAVE IS IF YOU HAVE A HARD SURFACE AND AS IT SAID PREVIOUSLY, WE PUT FOUR INCHES ON TOP OF IT WHERE THE TWO MEET, THE TOPSOIL IS GOING TO MOLD. AND IF YOU PUT SEED OR IF YOU PUT SOD ON IT, IT GOES TO THAT DEPTH AND THEN IT WHEREVER IT STARTS TO MOLD. YEAH, THAT THAT'S YOUR FOUNDATION. AND WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE FOUNDATION OF THE, OF THE ROOT SYSTEM TO GROW AT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND IF YOU START WITH A GOOD FOUNDATION, THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO LOOK BETTER. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT TOPSOIL. SO WHEN I LIVED IN MILL VALLEY. YOU KNOW, BEHIND ME AT THE TIME WAS A WHEAT FIELD THAT WAS BEING FARMED. AND EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT BECAME MORE OF MILL VALLEY. BUT THE SOIL THERE WAS, I MEAN, SOLID CLAY. I MEAN, THEY WERE FARMING RIGHT IN THE CLAY. BUT IS THAT CONSIDERED TOPSOIL? I MEAN, HOW DID WE DEFINE TOPSOIL HERE? YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. SO WE DID NOT WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE DEFINITION OF TOPSOIL WAS, IS KIND OF UP TO THE BUILDERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TOPSOIL IS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE INSPECTION CAPABILITIES TO GO OUT THERE AND GET SAMPLES OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE PUTTING DOWN. SO TILLING UP THE NATIVE SOIL WOULD BE CONSIDERED TOPSOIL. I DON'T KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE DEFINITION OF TOPSOIL IS AND COMPARE IT WITH WHAT THEY DO. BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS IS ON PRIVATE LAND. SO WE DON'T WE TYPICALLY DON'T INSPECT PRIVATE LAND. SO I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO KIND OF TRUST THE BUILDERS. WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING THERE IS TOPSOIL. AND I MEAN TO TO COUNCILMAN REEMS HIS POINT, I THINK FARMERS ARE CHANGING THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND HOW THEY FARM BECAUSE THEY USED TO TILL THE SOIL AND YOU WOULD TILL WHAT, EIGHT INCHES, 12IN DOWN. AND YOU BRING UP THE CLAY AND PUT IT ON TOP. AND NOW THERE'S COVER CROPS AND THERE'S OTHER TYPES WHICH ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE SOIL AND TRYING TO ENRICH THE SOIL TO THE, TO THESE BECAUSE AS WE ARE CONTINUE TO LEARN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EROSION, CLIMATE CHANGE, OTHER THINGS, A FARMERS ARE STARTING TO UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE PUTTING ALL THE CHEMICALS DOWN, IT'S EVERYTHING'S MORE COST PROHIBITED NOW TO PUT FERTILIZERS AND CHEMICALS DOWN ON TOP OF CLAY SOIL. SO TO HINDER THAT BURDEN OF COST, FARMERS ARE BECOMING AND NOT JUST FARMERS, BUT LANDSCAPERS AND OTHER THINGS. THEY'RE ADAPTING TO THE EVER CHANGING ENVIRONMENT AND HOW WE LIVE IN. 
          AND THAT'S DUE TO MULTIPLE DIFFERENT FACTORS. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN 125 YEAR OLD HOME, SO I CAN DIG NOT DIFFERENT PLACES IN MY YARD, BUT I CAN DIG EIGHT, YOU KNOW, EIGHT INCHES DOWN AND NOT HIT CLAY. BUT THEN IN OTHER PARTS OF MY YARD, I THINK MAYBE WHERE THE BRICKS WERE MADE OR WHO KNOWS, THERE'S SECTIONS IN MY YARD THAT'S HEAVY CLAY AND THERE'S OLD BRICKS THAT I CAN DIG INTO NOW COMPARED TO MILL VALLEY, THAT WAS BUILT AT A TIME WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THESE THINGS, OR SCOTT FARMS, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER AREAS. SO SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST HELPING IMPROVE THE OVERALL ENVIRONMENT IS I'M WAITING FOR A MOTION. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE AMENDMENTS. YEAH. YES, YES, MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION AS STATED. ROLL CALL, MR. REAMES. YES, MISS CRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. 
          MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURPEE YES. MR. BERGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. LEGISLATION AMENDED. SO NOW THE LEGISLATION IS BACK FOR SECOND READING. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, IS THERE ANY BECAUSE IT'S NOW SECOND READING. IS THERE ANY RESIDENTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? AT THE YOUNG 425 WEST EIGHTH, WE JUST HEARD THAT IF THERE'S THREE FOUR, WHO CARES HOW MANY INCHES. 
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BUT IF IT CAN'T BE ENFORCED, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE CODE? I THINK THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT ON THE BOOKS. AND AS OUR CITY CONTINUES TO EVOLVE, WE WILL EVENTUALLY BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THESE INITIATIVES. WELL. IS THERE ANY OTHER RESIDENTS LIKE TO SPEAK? NOW? I NOW IF THERE'S A MOTION, IF THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO WAIVE THIRD READING, THAT WOULD BE SOMEONE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE THIRD READING ROLL CALL, MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURPEE YES. MR. BERGER YES. 
          MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMS YES. THIRD READING WAIVED. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION AS AS AMENDED. ROLL CALL. SORRY. OKAY. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURPEE. 
          YES. MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES NO. MISS KRAMER YES. LEGISLATION PASSES 
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ORDINANCE I THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11, ZONING CODE, SECTION 1123 .07 REQUIRED TRASH AREAS. SECTION 1133 .09 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED BUILDING TYPOLOGIES. SECTION 1133 .10 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR OFFICE INSTITUTIONAL, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES AND SECTION 1133 .11 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR MANUFACTURING AND OFFICE SLASH WAREHOUSE BUILDING TYPOLOGIES. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC? NO. OKAY. IS THERE A PRESIDENT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURPEE. YES. 
          MR. BERGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS. KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. SEVEN. 
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YES. LEGISLATION PASSES. ORDINANCE J TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11, ZONING CODE, SECTION 1125 .04 LANDSCAPE PLAN REQUIREMENTS AND SECTION 1125 .06 MINIMUM LANDSCAPE STANDARDS ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. OKAY. MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL, MR. BURPEE. YES, MR. BERGER? YES. MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REAMES. YES, MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. 
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WOLFF. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE K, THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11, ZONING CODE, SECTION 1133 .10 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR OFFICE, INSTITUTIONAL, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES REGARDING MULTIFAMILY MULTI-TENANT ENTRANCE FEATURES. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. IS THERE A MOTION? MR. PRESIDENT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. BERGER. YES, MR. HUNTER. 
          YES. MR. REAMES. YES. MISS. KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF YES. MR. BURPEE YES. 
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LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE AL THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11, ZONING CODE, SECTION 1133 .10 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR OFFICE, INSTITUTIONAL, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES REGARDING GLASS ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. 
          COUNCIL. IS THERE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFF YES. MR. BURR 
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YES. MR. BERGER YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE M THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT TO PART 11 ZONING CODE, SECTIONS 1133 .10 DESIGN REVIEW STANDARDS FOR OFFICE, INSTITUTIONAL, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPOLOGIES REGARDING PARKING SPACES. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. PRESIDENT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. REAMES. YES, MISS KRAMER? YES. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF YES. 
          MR. BURR YES. MR. BERGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. LEGISLATION PASSES. ORDINANCE N THIRD 
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READING VOTE TO ADOPT A CAPITAL BUDGET FOR 2026. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. MR. 
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PRESIDENT, I MOVED TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. OKAY. ROLL CALL, MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BOGDANOR. 
          YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURR YES. MR. BERGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. 
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LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE. OH, THIRD READING VOTE TO ADOPT AN ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET FOR 2026. ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. MISS KRAMER, YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT? YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. OKAY. ROLL CALL, MR. BORDNER. 
          YES, MR. WOLF? YES. MR. BURR YES. MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. 
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MISS KRAMER. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES ORDINANCE P, THIRD READING VOTE TO ADOPT AN AND TO ADOPT ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2026 ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. I MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. ROLL CALL, MR. WOLF. YES. MR. BURBY YES. MR. BERGER. YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS. KRAMER YES. MR. BOGDANOR YES. LEGISLATION PASSES 
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ORDINANCE. Q THIRD READING VOTE TO AMEND ORDINANCE ZERO ONE 12.20 25 ANNUAL COMPENSATION FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES 2026 ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL. MR. PRESIDENT, YES, I MOVE TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. THERE WAS NO TIME FOR DISCUSSION YET AND I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. WE CAN STILL DISCUSS IT BEFORE THE VOTE. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. ALRIGHTY. SO I HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION. WE WE CAN DISCUSS. YOU CAN'T MAKE A MOTION YET. OKAY? OKAY. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY. OKAY. WELL, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BASED ON WHAT WHAT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD, I GUESS FROM ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS. OKAY, I HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. SO. I'LL MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT ONE HERE. Q AND THIS WAS WHERE WE HAD DISCUSSION IN OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT VARIOUS TOPICS. BUT AMONGST THOSE THERE WAS THE 4% COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE. THERE WAS THE 27TH PAY PERIOD. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THIS VOTE OR ANY VOTE FOR THAT MATTER, REALLY JUST I APPRECIATE CONSIDERATIONS AND DECISIONS MADE BY THIS BODY. I'M I'M PLEASED TO SEE SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE IN DISAGREEMENT, JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT MEANS THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY DEMOCRACY THAT'S GOING ON. I ESPECIALLY WANT TO JUST GIVE APPRECIATION TO COUNCILMAN BURBY, WHO HAD BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION. SO I, I HAD SAID IN OUR LAST MEETING, IT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS ACTUALLY BACK IN JUNE, SO HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT AND I'M REFERRING SPECIFICALLY TO 27TH PAY PERIOD. AND WE HAD MET IN JUNE TIMING WITH OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR AS WELL AS MISS MAIN IN HR. SO I HAD SOME RECOLLECTION OF THAT WHERE THERE WERE CONCERNS OF ARE WE OVERPAYING VERSUS WHAT'S STATED FOR SALARIES? AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE 27 PAY PERIOD ALL SAID AND DONE. MAYBE IT'S NOT. IT DOESN'T QUITE RESULT IN A QUARTER MILLION, BUT IT'S APPROACHING THAT QUARTER MILLION MARK, WHICH WE HAD TO ACCOUNT FOR IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. I WAS A LITTLE BIT I THINK MY TEMPER WAS A LITTLE BIT FLARED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF IMPLIED THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT NONETHELESS, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THAT. AND LIKE I SAY, I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN BURBY FOR BRINGING THAT UP. THERE WAS ALSO CONSIDERATION HOW DO WE BUDGET FOR THAT? AND INITIALLY, MY TAKEAWAYS WERE THIS IS A MATTER THAT CERTAINLY WARRANTED CONSIDERATION. I ASKED MYSELF IS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE BEING TRANSPARENT? IS IT FAIR? SO IN THIS YEAR'S IN THIS ORDINANCE, THERE IS A NOTE THAT TALKS ABOUT CONSIDERATION FOR THAT 27TH PAY PERIOD. REGARDLESS IF THE NOTE WERE TO BE STRIKE THROUGH, REGARDLESS, IF A NOTE REMAINS, I FEEL AS IF WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT IN THE PROCESS. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          I HAD TO CONSIDER, IS THIS FAIR? AND HONESTLY, IT TOOK MY MIND BACK TO, YOU KNOW, JUST 
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THINKING. THERE WAS SOME POINTS BROUGHT UP IN OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES IT WORK IN THE REAL WORLD OR IN BUSINESSES. AND, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT PRIVATE SECTOR, PRIVATE INDUSTRY, WORK SALARIES AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE CONSTRUCTED DIFFERENTLY. THEY'RE NOT QUITE VOTED ON PRIOR TO THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THERE ARE THERE ARE DIFFERENCES. THE FUNDING OF ITS DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAXPAYER DOLLARS AT WORK. ALL SAID AND DONE, I, I HAD GIVEN CONSIDERATION TO REALLY WHAT THE SALARY RANGES WERE AND THE SALARY RANGES, AS I UNDERSTAND, ARE A COMPONENT OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE ACTUAL SALARY SETTING. AND WHEN I UNDERSTAND THAT, I UNDERSTAND IT TO BE SET ON A A, THE SALARY RANGES TO BE SET ON A 26 PAY CALENDAR. SO HERE I LOOK AT THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF WHAT ULTIMATELY IS REFLECTED TO THE THE PAGE LISTED WITH THE POSITIONS AND SALARY RANGES. AND I SEE A PAGE THAT LISTS SALARIES BASED ON A 26 PAY PERIOD CALENDAR YEAR. SO TO ME, WHEN I WHEN I CONSIDER THAT AND I CONSIDER THEM AS ALL OF THE PIECES OF THIS TEXT THAT WE HAVE TO ULTIMATELY VOTE ON, I SEE THAT HAD HAD WE DEFINED SALARY RANGES IN A 27 PAY PERIOD, CALENDAR YEAR, THEN THE SALARIES THAT WOULD BE LISTED ON THAT PAGE WOULD BE LISTED DIFFERENT. AND FROM WHAT I'VE RESEARCHED ON THIS MATTER, IT'S THIS IS A TOPIC THAT INVOLVES CONTROVERSY AND DIFFERING VIEWPOINTS ALL OVER THE BOARD. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT OUR WHAT OUR NORMS. BUT FOR ME, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I SEE JUST THE CONSTRUCTION BLOCKS OF THIS TEXT SHOWING THAT THE NOTE SERVES ITS PURPOSE AND. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS HAS BEEN TREATED BACK IN 20 1516, WHATEVER IT WAS THAT IT WAS DELIBERATED, THERE WAS THERE WAS DIFFERING VIEWPOINTS, THERE WAS CONSIDERATION. THIS IS WHERE I'M AT TONIGHT. SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. HEARING NONE. I STILL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT OKAY. 
          THAT MOTION. SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. THERE'S A MOTION TO PASS THAT THAT WOULD BE VOTED ON FIRST. AND THEN IF THAT FAILS THEN IT WE COULD ENTERTAIN OTHER MOTIONS. OKAY. 
          AND. I WASN'T EXPECTING YOU TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE AT THE GET GO OF THIS. SO YEAH. KIND OF COMPLICATES THE PROCEDURE A LITTLE BIT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. BUT IF IT IF IT WERE TO FAIL AND IT WOULD ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY OF ENTERTAINING A DIFFERENT MOTION, THEN WE WOULD BE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON VOTING. CORRECT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HOW I INTERPRET IT. I MEAN, I IT'S ONLY REALLY HAPPENED ONE TIME THAT I CAN THINK OF BEFORE LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DID. SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, MR. OR MR. REAMS MADE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. MR. BURBY HAS WHAT I SUSPECT TO BE SOME AMENDMENT TO THE LEGISLATION, AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HEAR IT UNTIL WE CAN WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT THAT MIGHT BE. WE JUST CAN'T VOTE ON TWO MOTIONS WHEN THERE'S ALREADY A MOTION ON THE TABLE. SO IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE GO THROUGH THE WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE DOING. OR YOU CAN JUST HAVE IT CLEAN AND SAY WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO DO IS VOTE. AND YOU VOTE NO AND YOU FAIL IT. AND THEN YOU BRING BACK THIS MOTION, THIS, THIS AMENDMENT, AND HE DISCUSSES IT. AND THEN THAT GIVES HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HIS PIECE. 
          AND THEN WE VOTE AGAIN. AND THEN YOU SAY, WHETHER YOU VOTE IN FAVOR AS WHAT IS PRESENTED AND THE COMPENSATION OF THE OF ALL CITY, WELL, NOT ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, JUST SALARY BASED CITY EMPLOYEES AND THEN OR AND THEN YOU CAN AND AND THEN YOU CAN THEN EITHER AND THEN THEN YOU VOTE ON HIS AMENDMENT WHICH ALLOWS AND THEN ALLOWS YOU TO PASS IT OR FAIL IT. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD JUST BE SIMPLER FOR ME TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION. SO WHY DON'T I DO THAT RATHER THAN, OKAY, YOU'RE COMPLICATED. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. SO THEN SO YOUR MOTION IS WITHDRAWN. YES. AND I 
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HAVE A AMENDMENT TO THE LEGISLATION. SO THE MOTION TO AMEND IS TO REMOVE THE NOTE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE, SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE SALARIES FOR THE UNCLASSIFIED EXEMPT EMPLOYEES THAT ARE LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE WILL BE DIVIDED OUT AND PAID OVER THE 27 PAY PERIODS THAT OCCUR IN 2026. THIS AMENDMENT DOES NOT AFFECT THE PAY FOR THE HOURLY EMPLOYEES. SO ROLL CALL. I MEAN, I GUESS I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANYBODY DISCUSSION FIRST? YEAH. 
          DISCUSSION. I'M SORRY I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SO I THINK FOR TARA SANDRA'S CHANDRA IS HERE. 
          OH OKAY. FOR HR HOW MANY PAY PERIODS DO WE HAVE IN THIS COMING YEAR. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN 2026. WE'LL HAVE 27 PAY PERIODS OKAY. AND THEN IN YOUR OPINION, IF WE WERE TO DO AS WAS BEEN PROPOSED, WE WOULD BE CUTTING THEIR SALARIES BY APPROXIMATELY 3.7%. SO WHAT WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE IMPACT OF THAT TO EMPLOYEE RETENTION? IT'S DEFINITELY AN IMPACT ON LEADERSHIP AND MORALE. AND JUST TO BREAK DOWN SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU. SO WE DO HAVE POLICE SERGEANTS WHO ARE PAID ON AN HOURLY BASIS. AND THEN WE HAVE POLICE CAPTAINS WHO ARE PAID SALARY. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO PAY RATES IS CURRENTLY 12.5%. IF THE SERGEANTS CONTINUE TO GET PAID FOR THE EXTRA 80 HOURS WORKED, THAT SHRINKS DOWN TO 9.2%. AND THAT IS BEFORE YOU FACTOR IN ANY OVERTIME AT ALL. I FACTOR THAT OUT TO SERGEANTS WOULD ONLY HAVE TO WORK 2.78 HOURS PER WEEK TO MAKE WHAT THEIR CAPTAINS ARE MAKING, AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN ACCOUNT FOR THE INCREASED RESPONSIBILITY. SO THE BIGGEST THING WHEN YOU GO FROM AN HOURLY TO A SALARY IS YOU WANT TO COMPENSATE BOTH FOR THAT DIFFERENCE IN OVERTIME PAY, AS WELL AS THE INCREASED RESPONSIBILITY. NOBODY WANTS TO GET A PROMOTION AND TAKE A PAY CUT, AND THAT IS POSSIBLY WHAT WE WOULD BE SEEING. NOBODY WOULD. IT WOULD REALLY HURT OUR INTERNAL SUCCESSION PLANNING, AS THEY WOULD SEE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET MORE RESPONSIBILITY WITHOUT THE PAY ASSOCIATED WITH IT. OKAY. AND I GUESS THE OTHER POINT IS THE MUNICIPAL COURT EMPLOYEES, THE SALARIES ARE SET BY THE JUDGE. WE WE CAN'T JUST CHANGE THAT AS PROPOSED. THAT WOULD BE DECISION TO THE JUDGE. YEAH. WHO GAVE MIXED MESSAGES BETWEEN TELLING ADMINISTRATION ONE THING AND TELLING ME ANOTHER THING SO HE WOULD FOLLOW WHAT WE DID FOR THE OTHER SALARIED PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT WHEN I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH HIM, THAT IS WHAT THAT IS WHAT HIS COMMENTS WERE, I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE HE TALKED TO, BUT HE TALKED TO ME AND HE HAD NOT MADE THAT COMMITMENT. AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS HIS REQUEST, WHICH, AS WE'VE LEARNED IN THE PAST, WE ARE REQUIRED TO FUND HIS REQUEST. AND. AND HERE AGAIN, WE WE AS A COUNCIL MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. AND HE CAN HE CAN COME BACK. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HE CAN COME BACK AND WILL ADJUST HIS IF HE DEEMS THAT TO BE NECESSARY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO ON SECTION FOUR. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TABLES, SALARY AND WAGE TABLES, IT LISTS AN ANNUAL SALARY AND AN HOURLY RATE. AND THE HOURLY RATE FOR 27 PAY PERIODS IS MORE THAN THAT ANNUAL SALARY. SO SO ARE YOU WANTING TO ONLY MAKE CHANGES TO ONE GROUP OF EMPLOYEES, OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING TO CHANGE IT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES? THE EXEMPT EMPLOYEES? YEAH. AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS OUT HERE YEAH THAT THE THE 
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AMENDMENT DOES NOT AFFECT THE PAY FOR THE HOURLY EMPLOYEES. SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. 
          CHANDRA, JUST FOR CLARITY, PURPOSES FROM AN HR PERSPECTIVE, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHEN AN HOURLY EMPLOYEE IS OFFERED A POSITION, IS THEIR OFFER BASED ON A CERTAIN RATE PER HOUR OR AN EQUIVALENT IN ANNUAL PAY, AND THEN THE SAME FOR A SALARIED EMPLOYEE? I'M JUST WONDERING CONTRACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE YES, YES, THEY ARE OFFERED AN HOURLY PAY RATE. THE REASON WE PUT THE SALARIES IN THERE IS JUST TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD FACTOR INTO WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING IT AGAINST THE EXECUTIVE STAFF. SO THAT'S ADDED IN THERE FOR TRANSPARENCY. SO THAT IS THE MINIMUM OF WHAT THOSE EMPLOYEES WILL MAKE BEFORE OVERTIME. AND SO THE BASIS OF THEIR PAY IS AN HOURLY HOURLY. AND THEY'RE COMPENSATED AT TIME AND A HALF OR MORE DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR SHIFT SCHEDULES ARE AND WHAT HOURS AND HOLIDAYS THEY'RE WORKING. OKAY. AND REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PAY PERIODS, THEY WILL ALWAYS GET PAID FOR THE HOURS THEY WORK. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOURLY EXTRA WORKING HOURS IN 2026, WE ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO PAY THEM FOR EVERY HOUR THAT THEY WORK, SO THEY'LL BE COMPENSATED THE ADDITIONAL 80 HOURS. THANK YOU. SO, SO HOURLY EMPLOYEES WILL WORK. HOW MANY HOURS IN NEXT YEAR? THEY WILL WORK 2160 IN ANNUAL SALARY EMPLOYEES OKAY. SO SALARIED EMPLOYEES WORK THOSE SAME HOURS. CORRECT? OKAY. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD TREAT THEM THE SAME. THEY'RE WORKING THE SAME HOURS. THEY'RE WORKING THE SAME NUMBER OF PAY PERIODS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SEPARATE OUT THESE SALARIED EMPLOYEES. HISTORICALLY, SALARY EMPLOYEES START THEIR TIME OF SERVICE ON JANUARY 1ST AND FINISH UP ON DECEMBER 31ST. OKAY, WE SEE A CLEAR 4% INCREASE BETWEEN 2025 AND 2026. SO THERE IS A TOTAL THAT THEY RECEIVE. YEAH. AND INSTEAD OF GETTING IT SO THERE IS A 4% INCREASE. YEAH. AND WE HAVE 54 EMPLOYEES HERE. SO WE CAN GO. AND I COULD NAME EACH INDIVIDUAL IF YOU WANT TO I RECOMMEND NOT TO. BUT THERE IS A 4% INCREASE. AND THAT'S BEING PAID OUT OVER A 27 PAY PERIOD TO THOSE. YEAH. BUT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THERE. YEAH. SO IT SO THE 4% INCREASE. SO THERE'LL BE USUALLY THERE'LL BE TWO MONTHS THAT HOURLY SORRY SALARIED EMPLOYEES RECEIVE TWO TWO PAYCHECKS THREE PAYCHECKS. 
          AND IN THIS CASE IT'S GOING TO BE THREE PAYCHECKS FOR THREE PERIODS. CAN I GUESS THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS IF SOMEONE'S PAYCHECK EVERY TWO WEEKS IS $1,000, AND WE GIVE THEM A 4% RAISE, THAT TAKES IT UP TO $1,040, YOU SEE THAT 4% RAISE. AND THEN IF YOU CUT IT BY 3.7%, NOW, THEIR TAKE HOME PAY EVERY TWO WEEKS IS $1,003, WHICH IS A 0.3% RAISE ON THEIR WEEK OR THEIR PAYCHECK EVERY TWO WEEKS. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A RAISE. I KNOW THE CALENDAR BECAUSE OF HOW JANUARY 1ST IS, IS A HOLIDAY, AND WE'RE MOVING THE PAY PERIOD UP A DAY. 
          I KNOW BASED ON THE CALENDAR IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GETTING PAID EXTRA, BUT THEY'RE WORKING 20 160 HOURS. THEY'RE WORKING 27 PAY PERIODS, THE SAME AS OUR HOURLY EMPLOYEES. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME. CAN I OFFER A MAYBE A MIDDLE GROUND POTENTIALLY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN A HOT TOPIC FOR MONTHS NOW, BUT I THINK OHIO REVISED CODE, WE WE HAVE THE OPTION TO EITHER PULL UP OR PUSH OUT. SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO REMIT THAT 
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PAYMENT ON THE 31ST OF DECEMBER. WE COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE IT OUT TO THE NEXT, I GUESS, BUSINESS DAY, WHICH WOULD BE JANUARY 1ST. AND IF I'M WRONG, SOMEBODY PLEASE CORRECT ME. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A MIDDLE GROUND COULD BE IS. PUSH THAT PAYMENT TO THE 4TH OF JANUARY 2027. IS IT SEVEN SIX? NO, 2026 2026 2027 OKAY, I'M NOT CRAZY. I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          BUT THEN WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER SOME WORKING GROUP TO EVALUATE OUR PAYROLL PRACTICES AS A AS A CITY TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, WHETHER THAT BE WEEKLY, BI WEEKLY, BI MONTHLY, MONTHLY, WHATEVER, AND HAVE A RECOMMENDATION BROUGHT TO THIS COUNCIL OR I GUESS, FUTURE COUNCIL TO TO TO BRING THAT RECOMMENDATION. NEXT, NEXT, CALL IT SPRING EARLY SUMMER BEFORE WE GET INTO THE BUDGET PERIOD SO WE CAN MAKE THAT MAKE THE APPROPRIATE BUDGETARY ALLOWANCE OR ALLOCATION GOING INTO 20 I GUESS WOULD BE FISCAL YEAR 2027. SO IT'S JUST A JUST A THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW. ANYWAY, IT'S MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. I THINK I LIKE THAT IDEA A LITTLE BETTER. 
          IT GIVES US SOME TIME TO TO WORK OUT SOME DETAILS. SO HEARING NO MORE DISCUSSION, THE AMENDMENT I GUESS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ANY COMMENTS. I JUST I DO AGREE WITH YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN BORDNER, THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION NOW TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO IF THERE IS AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, HAVE 26 PAY PERIOD AND BE ABLE TO THOUGHTFULLY WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS, AND I THINK CLEAR COMMUNICATION WITH EMPLOYEES FEEDBACK TO MAKE SURE AS I'M HEARING A LOT UP HERE, WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE OR I FEEL LIKE AND I THINK THAT'S A DIFFICULT PLACE TO TO BE IN. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANY PUSHBACK FROM THIS COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT BEST PRACTICES MOVING FORWARD. CORRECT. WHAT DID HE SAY? DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY. DO YOU THINK WE HAVE A POTENTIAL ITEM? ALTHOUGH I DEFER TO SANDRA ON THIS ONE. I JUST ASKED THE CHIEF'S REAL QUICK IF THERE BE ANY ISSUES WITH MOVING A PAY PERIOD OUT WITH THE UNIONS. IT'S POSSIBLE, I DON'T KNOW, SO I'LL DEFER TO SANDRA ON THAT ONE. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT, I DON'T KNOW, BI WEEKLY OR EVERY OTHER WEEK. I KNOW OHIO REVISED CODE. THEY JUST HAVE TO BE PAID AT LEAST TWICE PER MONTH, WHICH THEY WOULD STILL GET THE TWO PAYS IN DECEMBER IS BI WEEKLY EVERY OTHER WEEK. THERE'S THERE'S NO SORT OF HOLIDAY CLAUSE IN THE THE THE CONTRACT. IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF MAKING THAT PAYCHECK JANUARY 1ST? PROBLEM IS THE BANKS ARE NOT THE FIRST. SO IF YOU MAKE IT THAT DAY, I MEAN, IS EVERYTHING ELECTRONIC. 
          SO THEY COULD GET IT ON JANUARY 1ST. NO THEY CAN'T. IT WOULD BE WOULD THEY BE SENDING IT TO THE BANK. IT WOULD EITHER HAVE TO BE FOR THE 31ST OR IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR THE FULL. OKAY. 
          COULD IT BE FOR THE SECOND? AND AND SANDY, COULD YOU GO TO THE MICROPHONE, GO TO THE PODIUM I KNOW I GET IT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. JUST I'M SANDY HOOVER I'M THE ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR. AND SORRY ABOUT MY VOICE. I'M STRUGGLING. SO WHEN WE SUBMIT THE FILE TO THE BANK, WE HAVE TO PUT A DATE IN THERE. AND WE CANNOT, EVEN WHEN IT'S A HOLIDAY DATE, IF THE BANKS AREN'T OPEN, IT WON'T ACCEPT THAT DATE. SO I HAVE TO. WHEN I 
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SUBMIT THE FILE, WE HAVE TO PUT A BUSINESS DAY IN THERE. THAT IS A BANKING HOLIDAY. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF IT'S AN ISSUE WITH POLICE AND FIRE, THEN WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND JUST ONE OTHER QUICK THING, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS MATTERS, BUT WHEN WE GET PAID, YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE 26 PAYS. BUT WHEN WE GET PAID, IT GOES FROM THAT START OF THAT YEAR, WE ACTUALLY OUR SALARY CHANGES THE FIRST PAY DATE OF THAT PAY PERIOD, NOT ON JANUARY 1ST. SO WE ARE GETTING PAID FOR THE PAY PERIOD THAT WE'RE WORKING FOR THE SALARY EMPLOYEES. JUST I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE DO NOT START ON JANUARY 1ST WITH OUR PAY. 
          IT'S WHATEVER THE PAY PERIOD STARTED. SO IF THE PAY PERIOD STARTS ON LIKE I THINK THIS YEAR WAS DECEMBER 17TH AND THAT WAS OUR FIRST, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT CALENDAR. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, IF I MAY. YEAH. EVEN THOUGH IT WILL BE REVERTED BACK, WE WE ARE MAKING A COMMITMENT TO YOU, TO ALL THE SALARIED EMPLOYEES FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. I WAS JUST TELLING YOU HOW WE GET PAID YOU THAT THAT WAS MY THING. I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK IT STARTS ON JANUARY 1ST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T. I KNOW HOW YOU COULD PAY IT. 
          BUT I ALSO KNOW HOW WE ARE MAKING OUR OBLIGATION TO ALL THE SALARY PEOPLE. SO YOU CAN. 
          YOU CAN. I'M SURE YOU CAN. I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU AT ALL. I WAS JUST GIVING YOU A FACT. SO. 
          OKAY, OKAY, I THINK IF THANK YOU, SANDY. APPRECIATE IT, I THINK. I THINK WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER POTENTIALLY TABLING THIS UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME CLARITY FROM MAYBE THE UNION AND HR ON THE ABILITY TO. SUPPORT MY RECOMMENDATION. IN. I KNOW WE HAVE A WORKING SESSION ON MAYBE THE 1ST OF DECEMBER. NO. OH IT IS OKAY. WELL, MAYBE MY RECOMMENDATION IF IT'S ENOUGH TIME GIVEN A HOLIDAY WEEK. I HATE THAT WE ONLY HAVE LIKE TWO DAYS. I WOULD MAYBE PROPOSE TO SET OR TO TABLE THIS LEGISLATION UNTIL DECEMBER 1ST SO WE CAN INVESTIGATE THE FEASIBILITY OF MY PROPOSAL. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY? JUST FROM A PROCEDURE VIEWPOINT, WE HAVE A MOTION. YES, WE HAVE HANK'S MOTION FOR AN AMENDMENT. AND WE HAVE TO WHICH EITHER TO CONSIDER ZAK'S, EITHER HE WOULD HAVE TO WITHDRAW OR WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON IT FIRST. I DON'T WANT TO WITHDRAW. OKAY. SO THEN WITH YOUR MIND. SO LET'S MAKE A ROLL CALL AND YES MEANS FOR US, YES MEANS TO KEEP IT IN AS NO MEANS TO THE YES MEANS TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT YES. RIGHT. AND THEN NO WOULD MEAN TO NOT MAKE THE AMENDMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MR. BURBY. YES, MR. BURGER? YES. MR. HUNTER? NO. MR. REAMES NO. MISS CRAMER. YES. 
          MR. BORDNER NO. MR. WOLF. YES. MOTION TO AMEND PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. THIS NOW, THIS, AS AMENDED, IS BACK TO SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING ON THIS TOPIC? BRIAN CUNNINGHAM, 460 SCOTT FARMS. I DIDN'T COME HERE TO TALK ON THIS, BUT BEING I WAS HERE LAST TIME AND NOW THIS TIME, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A HUGE FAILURE OF YOU GUYS. YOU'VE HAD TEN YEARS TO FIGURE IT OUT. YOU KNEW IT WAS A PROBLEM LAST TIME. I MEAN, CAN YOU GUYS AGREE WITH THAT? I MEAN, I, I THINK I THINK EVERY COUNCIL HAS A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY ON HOW THEY CHOOSE TO HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS. AND I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS WE HAVE A NEWER COUNCIL THAT YOU COULD SAY MAYBE MIGHT BE MORE ENGAGED OR NOT BE MORE ENGAGED IN THE PREVIOUS ONES. AND I THINK THAT NOW WE'RE CREATING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO HANDLE THIS PROCESS IN THE FUTURE. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU EVEN SAID YOU BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES IN THE PAST WELL INTO YOUR VIEWPOINT. IT IT, YOU KNOW, 
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YOU COULD BE RIGHT. BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVE NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE THIS ISSUE OUT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS NEED TO JUST SETTLE IT ALL MOVING FORWARD. CLARIFY FOR THE YEAR FOR THE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE JUST SHOULDN'T HAPPEN EVERY TEN YEARS. IT HAPPENS EVERY 11 YEARS. SO WE KNOW IT'S COMING. THANK YOU. OKAY. KATHY YOUNG 425 WEST EIGHTH. YOU CAN KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. THE SAME THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2027. SO AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, DONALD, I WAS SENT THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GO OVER IN WORK SESSION AND CITIZEN COMMENTS IS NOT A REBUTTAL. KEEP THAT IN MIND. I JUST TRY TO DO WHAT I CAN TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON PUBLIC RECORD. IT IS THERE. SO NOW THE NEXT THING IS THERE'S A MOTION TO WAIVE. THIRD READING IS NOT A MOTION YET. NO. IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO YES, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY. YES. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO WAIVE THIRD READING. SO DOES. 
          OH I'M SORRY. YOU GO AHEAD. THERE'S A HANDFUL MORE OKAY. THAT'S FINE. HELLO. MY NAME IS MONTANA CHURCH. I LIVE AT 336 GALLERY DRIVE. I HAVE BEEN BOTH A RESIDENT AND OF MARYSVILLE AND AN EMPLOYEE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AND I HAVE GENUINELY LOVED LIVING AND WORKING HERE. 
          ON NOVEMBER 10TH, I ATTENDED MY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING. I LOOKED FORWARD TO UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS WORKS, COMING, BEING MORE INVOLVED, AND I WAS INTERESTED IN SOME OF THE TOPICS. HOWEVER, I WAS PRETTY DISAPPOINTED BY HOW COUNCIL ADDRESSED ISSUES AT HAND, HOW THEY SPOKE TO ABOUT AND TO CITY EMPLOYEES. THE INITIAL RESPONSE TO A PRESENTATION REGARDING OUR PAY WAS TO TELL THE CITY EMPLOYEES THAT CITY COUNCIL RECEIVES GRIEF ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND YOU WANTED OUR SUPPORT, BUT OUR HANDBOOK STATES THAT WE CANNOT DO THAT. LATER ON IN THE MEETING, THE EMPLOYEES WERE TOLD MULTIPLE TIMES THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE HERE TO REPRESENT THE TAXPAYERS OF MARYSVILLE, NOT THE EMPLOYEES. WHILE ALL THE EMPLOYEES DO PAY MARYSVILLE TAXES AND MANY ARE IN FACT RESIDENTS OF MARYSVILLE, THAT YOU REPRESENT, THE WORD SPECTACLE AND THEATRICS WERE MENTIONED BY COUNCIL MEMBER AS WELL. AND JUST BECAUSE THE ROOM AND MORE WERE FULL, THE EMPLOYEES THAT CAME TO THAT MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO WERE HERE ON THEIR OFF TIME. THEY ARE TAXPAYING CITIZENS, AND THEY HAVE JUST AS MUCH OF A RIGHT TO BE HERE WITHOUT THE ASSUMPTION OF THEATRICS. WHEN YOU'RE DISCUSSING THEIR PAY, TIMES ARE TOUGH AND COSTS ARE RISING. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND OUR PAY. ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES ARE EXPECTED TO FOLLOW THE CORE VALUES OF MARYSVILLE, WHICH ARE QUALITY, CUSTOMER SERVICE, ACCOUNTABILITY, RESPECT, PROACTIVE COMMUNICATION, AND TEAMWORK. WE UPHOLD THESE EVERY DAY WITH ONE ANOTHER AND THE CITIZENS OF MARYSVILLE. AND QUITE HONESTLY, IF WE DIDN'T, HR WOULD BE A VERY BUSY OFFICE. EVERY EMPLOYEE WORKS DILIGENTLY EVERY DAY TO HELP UPHOLD YOUR VISION OF THE CITY. AS THIS MEETING CONTINUES TODAY, WHICH IT HAS AS WELL THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT YOU TO REPRESENT THOSE CORE VALUES AND I HOPE YOU FOLLOW THOSE. I ALSO ASK THAT WHILE YOU ARE TRYING TO DECIDE ON THE 27TH PAY AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'LL PASS IT OR YOU'LL TABLE IT, OR IT BECOMES NEXT YEAR'S PROBLEM, EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE HAD ALL YEAR TO FIGURE IT OUT THAT YOU TELL US WHAT THAT MONEY WILL BE SPENT ON INSTEAD. BECAUSE WHY DO I, AS AN HOURLY EMPLOYEE, DESERVE TO GET PAID FOR ALL OF THOSE HOURS? BUT MY SUPERVISORS AND MY OTHER COLLEAGUES WHO ARE SALARY, THEY DON'T GET PAID THOSE. SO I DO. WHAT'S MY PLACE? FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WILL HAVE THE 27TH PAY IN YOUR JOBS OUTSIDE OF HERE, WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE HOME LESS TO OFFSET IT? OR IS THIS SEEMINGLY OKAY BECAUSE WE'RE CITY EMPLOYEES AND WE PAY ARE PAID BY TAXPAYER DOLLARS? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? HELLO, IS THIS ONE. YES. OKAY. MEREDITH WILSON, 621 WEST FIFTH STREET. I'M A UTILITIES CLERK, AND I ALSO AM CO-OWNER OF A SMALL BUSINESS HERE IN MARYSVILLE. I HAVE BEEN AN EMPLOYEE AT THE CITY FOR JUST OVER THREE YEARS. 
          I LEFT A JOB THAT PROVIDED A BETTER PAY AND BETTER BENEFITS, BUT THE WORK ENVIRONMENT WAS DETRIMENTAL TO ONE'S HEALTH. I WAS LOOKING FOR A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT THAT HAD MANAGEMENT AND COWORKERS THAT RESPECTED EACH OTHER. I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO FIND THAT HERE AT THE CITY. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN I ATTENDED THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THAT FILLING THAT I HAD WITH MY PREVIOUS EMPLOYER STARTED TO RESURFACE. AFTER LISTENING TO CITY COUNCIL SCOLD THE AUDIENCE THAT WAS MOSTLY MADE UP OF CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ALSO CITY TAXPAYERS. IT WAS VERY SHOCKING AND HONESTLY UPSETTING THAT ANY MEMBER ON CITY COUNCIL WOULD SPEAK TO AN AUDIENCE WITH SUCH 
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A TONE OF DISGUST AND ANGER OVER A SIMPLE PRESENTATION TO EXPLAIN THE JUSTIFICATION OF A COST OF LIVING PAY INCREASE AND A 27TH PAY PERIOD, AND THAT THE CITY EMPLOYEES HAD THE NERVE TO SHOW UP AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO SUPPORT OUR ADMINISTRATION. THIS BEHAVIOR MADE ME THINK, IS THE CITY COUNCIL HOLDING THEMSELVES UP TO THE MISSION STATEMENT AND CORE VALUES THAT THEY HOLD? ALL, ALL OF ITS EMPLOYEES TO? JUST TO GO OVER THE MISSION STATEMENT IS TO TO PROVIDE TIMELY, FRIENDLY, QUALITY SERVICES TO OUR CITY, CITIZENS, BUSINESSES, CLIENTS AND CUSTOMERS TO INCLUDE OUR INTERNAL CUSTOMERS, OUR EMPLOYEES CORE VALUES ARE QUALITY, CUSTOMER SERVICE, ACCOUNTABILITY, RESPECT, PROACTIVE COMMUNICATION, AND TEAMWORK. I DO BELIEVE THAT IF I HAD SPOKEN TO ANY CUSTOMER THAT THE WAY THAT WE WERE SPOKE TO AND THAT THE AUDIENCE WAS SPOKE TO, THAT MY JOB WOULD BE IN JEOPARDY, AND RIGHTFULLY SO, THAT CONVERSATION WAS NOT FRIENDLY, RESPECTFUL OR EVEN CONSTRUCTIVE. THE PRESENTATION WAS BASED ON FACTS. THE DISCUSSION AFTER WAS NOT RESPECTFUL OR PROACTIVE. IT WAS ACCUSATORY AND MADE ME, AND I BELIEVE MANY OTHERS FEEL UNAPPRECIATED AND UNWORTHY. I WOULD ASK THAT CITY COUNCIL BEFORE YOU ADDRESS ANYONE, ESPECIALLY IN THE PUBLIC ARENA, THAT YOU REMEMBER WHO PUT YOU IN THE SEATS YOU ARE IN, THAT THE MISSION STATEMENT AND THE CORE VALUES ARE ABOUT RESPECT, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND TEAMWORK. 
          PLEASE REMEMBER, COUNCIL, THAT WE ARE ALL CITY TAXPAYERS. MANY OF US LIVE HERE AS WELL. MANY OF US HAVE MORE INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY OTHER THAN OUR JOBS HERE AT THE CITY. SOME OF US VOTED FOR YOU TO REPRESENT US. MAYBE YOU SHOULD THINK OF THAT WHEN YOU ENTER CITY HALL, AND DO NOT TAKE THE TIME TO SAY HELLO OR GOODBYE AS YOU COME AND GO. OR PERHAPS LEARN THE NAME OF AN EMPLOYEE EACH TIME YOU COME FOR COUNCIL BUSINESS. MAYBE THAT YOU MAYBE YOU'LL LEARN THAT JUST ONE OF US HAD A CHILD OR A GRANDCHILD. HAVE A CHILD THAT'S GRADUATING THIS YEAR. HAVE A PARENT THAT THEY ARE CARING FOR, OWN A BUSINESS IN TOWN, OR SIMPLY ASK HOW THEIR DAY IS. MAYBE IF YOU TOOK A COUPLE MINUTES TO GET TO KNOW THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ALSO TAXPAYERS, THAT THAT DO. THAT THEY CAN MAKE THE CITY THAT WE DO MAKE THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. YOU WOULD ALSO NOT BE SO QUICK TO QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT A SMALL COST OF LIVING PAY INCREASE, AND A PAYCHECK FOR THE TIME WORKED IS AN EXPENSE IN THE BUDGET THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT AND BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN TO ANY CITIZEN IN MARYSVILLE WHO MAY QUESTION WHY YOU APPROVED ANY PAY INCREASE FOR THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE EMPLOYEES. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE TOPIC? OKAY. HEARING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE COMMENTS AND I APOLOGIZE. WHAT I WANTED TO SAY WAS, IS THERE A MOTION? NOT THAT THERE WAS A MOTION. SO WE'RE WE'RE AT THE POINT OF THE LEGISLATION. WHERE IS THERE A MOTION TO WAIVE THIRD READING, MR. PRESIDENT? YES. WHY DON'T WE TAKE THIS TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THIRD READING TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS SUCH AS WHAT ZACH SUGGESTED, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION WHEN IT'S TIME TO VOTE. OKAY. I GUESS, DO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL. TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO VOTED YES, DO YOU SEE YOUR DO YOU SEE YOURSELF CHANGING? YOU DON'T HAVE TO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT IF SOMEBODY FEELS THAT MORE CONSIDERATION NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE FORMALLY, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEIR FINAL VOTE ON THIS, ON THIS MATTER, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO PAUSE THIS, MR. PRESIDENT? SO YOU SAID TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT VOTED YES, THAT WAS VOTING YES ON THE AMENDMENT. AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE DON'T WAIVE THIRD READING, THIS GOES TO DECEMBER 1ST, AND WE STILL HAVE ADEQUATE TIME TO TO VOTE ON IT THAT NIGHT. SO AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND MR. AZALEA'S EXPLANATION THAT THE NOT WAIVING THE THIRD READING WOULD BE SUFFICIENT IN TERMS OF AT THE END OF THE YEAR, EVERYTHING STILL FALLING IN PLACE AS IT NEEDS TO. OKAY, SO I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE READING, BUT LEAVE IT UP TO OTHERS. OKAY? OKAY. SO THEN THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING ON DECEMBER 1ST. OKAY. ORDINANCE ARE SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO 
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APPROVE THE EXECUTION OF A COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND ANNA DONNA, LLC, AND A DONATION AGREEMENT AMONG THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION FOR THE MARYSVILLE EXEMPTED VILLAGE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION OF THE OHIO HI-POINT TECHNICAL AND CAREER CENTER SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT CORPORATION OF UNION COUNTY. AND I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO PULL UP. OKAY. ADMINISTRATION. THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO ADD, MR. PRESIDENT, AND YOU, YOU ARE PROBABLY WELL AWARE OF THIS, BUT WITHIN THE PAST WEEK, THE SCHOOL BOARD VOTED ON THIS LEGISLATION UNANIMOUSLY. SUPPORT SUPPORTING. JUST A REITERATE THAT AND MAKE YOU AWARE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE PRESENTATION IS BEING UPLOADED. CORRECT. AND WHO WHO WILL BE MR. PHILLIPS. YES. YEAH. ERIC YOU GOT. YES. THERE ARE TWO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE LEGISLATION AND ACTUALLY THEY'RE CLARIFICATIONS. AND THESE ARE WERE MADE AND GIVEN TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. BUT ONE AND HERE ARE THE TWO. ONE IS THE LOCAL SUPPORT FOR THE PILOT. 
          PRIOR THE LEGISLATION HAD AT LEAST 100,000FT■!S BEFORE THE PILOT PAYMENT WOULD BE MADE. 
          THERE WAS KIND OF AN OVERSIGHT. THIS WASN'T REMOVED, BUT THIS IS BEING REMOVED. THAT GUARANTEES THAT THE $1.2 MILLION PILOT PAYMENT WILL BE MADE, OR DONATION PAYMENT WILL ACTUALLY BE PAID EACH YEAR. ANY, ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS, IT'LL BE GUARANTEED THAT. SO THAT'S ONE CHANGE OR CLARIFICATION. THE SECOND ONE IS ON INCOME TAX SHARING. THIS CLARIFIES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERMANENT EMPLOYEE AND CONSTRUCTION EMPLOYEE. SO WHAT THIS COVERS IS BASICALLY SAYS THE CITY WILL SHARE INCOME TAXES FOR THE PERMANENT EMPLOYEES AT THE IN THE BUILDING IS BASICALLY WHAT THIS SAYS. AND IT CLARIFIES THE LANGUAGE IN THE LEGISLATION. AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WAS BEFORE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF EDUCATION LAST THURSDAY, 4 TO 0. SO THIS IS WHAT WAS BEFORE THEM. 
          BUT AGAIN THESE ARE CLARIFICATIONS. MORE LIKE THAT. BUT BUT WE HAD TO MAKE THESE AMENDMENTS AND PRESENT TO YOU THIS EVENING, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          IT'S NO. OKAY. WELL REALLY QUICKLY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. MR. PHILLIPS, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2 MILLION, THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY EMPLOYEES TO COVER THAT AMOUNT. AND WILL THERE BE THAT MANY EMPLOYEES? AND BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT, JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE SPEAKING IN YOUR LITTLE HANDHELD MICROPHONE JUST IN CASE. I'M SORRY. YEAH, I'M DOING THE QUICK MATH HERE JUST TO JUST TO SEE WHAT THAT TOTAL IS. AND I'LL GIVE YOU THAT TOTAL IN JUST A SECOND HERE. 
          IT'S IT'S LATE. IT'S LATE AT NIGHT. SO THEREFORE I'M JOKING. I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO TO THE PODIUM. OKAY? OKAY. ERIC. IT LOOKS LIKE MATT. OKAY. SO THE THE PAYROLL ASSOCIATED WITH THE 50 PERMANENT JOBS IS 4.75 MILLION IS 4.75 OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. AND I DID THE QUICK MATH 21 JOBS EQUALS THE THE 2 MILLION YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. NOW WE'RE AT CITIZENS. WAIT. I'M SORRY. WE NEED A MOTION TO MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS. OKAY, SO I MOVE TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION WITH THE FIRST PROPOSED AMENDMENT REGARDING A QUALIFIED BUILDING QUALIFYING BUILDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL. MR. BURGER. YES. MR. HUNTER? YES, MR. REAMES. YES, MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURBY. YES. 
          SEVEN. YES. MOTION PASSES. PRESIDENT. YES. I MOVE TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION TO ADOPT THE INCOME TAX SHARING AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL, MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REAMES? YES. 
          MISS KRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURR YES. MR. BURGER YES. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. SO NOW IF NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL, OKAY. HEARING NONE AT THE MOMENT. CITIZENS COMMENTS. I KNOW NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE UP THE FIRST ONE. YEAH. SO JUST 
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GO UP TO THE PODIUM TO STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. CAROL COLLINS AND IT'S 20430 DOGLEG ROAD. I DON'T LIVE IN MARYSVILLE PROPER. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. IS THIS RELATED TO THE 15 YEAR, 100% PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT? AND IS DOES THIS MEAN THAT THIS COMPANY WILL NOT PAY PROPERTY TAXES? SO NORMALLY IT'S NOT A BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION WHEN RESIDENTS HAVE HAVE A THING, HAVE A QUESTION. BUT WHAT CITY STAFF CAN DO IS THEY WILL TAKE YOUR QUESTION AND THEY CAN EMAIL YOU OR CALL YOU, OR IF ONE OF THEM HAS A MOMENT TO SPEAK TO YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE TONIGHT, THEY'RE DEFINITELY DO THAT FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU. I'M. I'M NEW. THIS IS MY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING I'VE EVER COME. AND SO I'M JUST TAKING IT ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU PICKED A RIVETING ONE. WOULD WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR. BRIAN CUNNINGHAM, 460 SCOTT FARMS. SO. I GUESS I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT MARYSVILLE TO HAVE A SMALL TOWN FEEL. I THINK THE TIMING IS PERFECT. ALL THESE ORDINANCES, YOU WANT TREES AND ALL THIS STUFF, BUT WE WANT TO BRING IN A FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO DRAIN THE ELECTRIC, DRAIN THE WATER, RAISE PRICES FOR EVERYBODY. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AN HOUR AGO. TILL NOW. IT DOESN'T. TO ME, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS I HAVE IS THE COMMITMENT THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD HERE. WHY DON'T WE LOOK FOR COMPANIES THAT WANT TO BUILD HERE? THEY'RE JUST PUTTING OUT TO MULTIPLE CITIES WHO CAN, WHO CAN DANGLE THE MOST MONEY IN FRONT OF US AND MAKE THE BEST DEAL. DO WE REALLY WANT THAT KIND OF COMPANY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? WHY NOT HAVE ONE THAT WANTS TO COME HERE, WANTS TO TRULY BE A PART OF IT, RIGHT, AND WANTS TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE? YOU KNOW, I, I SEEN THE PRESENTATION WHERE THERE WAS A CHART PUT UP OF WHAT THAT LAND IS GOING TO BRING IN TAXES IF IT'S NOT DEVELOPED, WHAT IT'S GOING TO BRING IN, IF IT'S DEVELOPED WITH THIS PROPOSAL. BUT WHY WASN'T THERE A CHART SHOWING WHAT IT WOULD COST IF THEY PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES? I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING 50 EMPLOYEES. MOST OF THEM ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE H-1B VISAS IF YOU LOOK AT DO ANY RESEARCH. AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LONG TERM EMPLOYEES. I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THE UTILITIES I MEAN, IT'S IT DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENCE TO FIGURE OUT THAT BRINGING THESE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE CHOOSING TO RAISE OUR WATER BILLS, TO RAISE OUR ELECTRIC BILLS. YOU GUYS ARE CHOOSING THAT FOR YOUR FOR THE TAXPAYERS HERE. I MEAN, I THINK YOU GUYS REALLY NEED TO SIT AND THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ONE. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE UTILITY GUYS WAS SAYING IT WILL GIVE YOU A NUMBER THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE OF YOU USING AS FAR AS WATER GOES. WELL, THAT SERVES NO PURPOSE. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING THREE. ARE THEY GOING TO BUILD IT THREE TIMES THAT. ARE THEY GOING TO BE. WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE THE UPGRADING OF ALL THE SYSTEMS? CHANCES ARE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE TAXPAYERS. I MEAN I PAY I MOVED HERE, I CHOSE TO MOVE HERE AND I PAID MY FAIR SHARE. I DON'T SEE WHY ANYBODY ELSE WOULDN'T. IT'S ONE THING IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE HONDA, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF JOBS, YOU'RE TALKING MAYBE 50. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD MA'AM. MICHELLE NICODEMUS I LIVE AT 14183 OXFORD DRIVE. 
          I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK. PIGGYBACK OFF OF THIS GENTLEMAN. I SAID, IT'S NOT HARD TO FIND NUMEROUS COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE NEGATIVELY BEEN IMPACTED BY DATA CENTERS. WE SHOULD NOT BE FLATTERED THAT WE ARE ON THEIR RADAR. THEY ARE COMING HERE TO USE OUR RESOURCES. WHY IS THE CITY GIVING THEM TAX ABATEMENTS FOR THE SCHOOLS TO RECEIVE ONLY $15 MILLION OVER 15 YEARS? THESE ARE MULTI-MILLION SLASH BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES, AND OUR SCHOOLS ARE GETTING $15 MILLION. NEW ALBANY, IF I DID MY RESEARCH RIGHT, IS GETTING $5.1 MILLION A YEAR FOR THEIR SCHOOLS. LICKING COUNTY FROM AMAZON. THEY'RE ALSO PAYING $3.1 MILLION ANNUALLY IN 
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PROPERTY TAXES. IF OUR AREA IS SO DESIRABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS, COUNCIL SHOULD BE SETTING SOME PRETTY LOFTY ASKS FOR THEM TO HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO COME TO OUR AREA. WE SHOULD NOT BE FOOLED INTO THINKING THAT THEY, THE DATA CENTER, ARE DOING US A FAVOR BY LOOKING INTO OUR AREA. REALISTICALLY, AFTER CONSTRUCTION, MAYBE 20 TO 50 JOBS WILL BE CREATED AND MANY WILL PROBABLY BE REMOTE. THAT 50% MUNICIPALITY TAX, EVEN AT $4 MILLION IF I'M DOING MY MATH RIGHT, MIGHT BE ABOUT $50,000. YOU. HOW MUCH OF THE BURDEN OF INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES ARE GOING TO FALL ON THE RESIDENTS? THE MAJORITY OF THAT COST SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE CAUSING THE BIG INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. JUST OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS, WHAT KIND OF REMEDIATION WILL BE OFFERED IF THE NEW INDUSTRIES CONTAMINATE OR SOMEHOW DEPLETE OUR PRIVATE WELLS? IS THE CITY GOING TO DIG OUR WELLS DEEPER, DIG US NEW ONES, OR TIE US INTO THE CITY LINES IF THAT HAPPENS? IT IS HARD TO KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD ASK FOR PROVISIONS. WHEN WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS COMING TO US. WE'RE BLIND WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF COMING AT US. LONG STORY SHORT, HOW ABOUT WE BECOME KNOWN AS THE TOWN WITHOUT A DATA CENTER? THERE'S MUCH BETTER OPTIONS TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY. WOULD THERE BE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. MY NAME IS DUSTIN HORNBECK. I LIVE AT 14 205 SHAGBARK COURT RECENTLY JUST MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT WITH DATA CENTERS. I'M A FIRST EXAMPLE OF THIS. WE MOVED AWAY FROM DATA CENTERS, AND THEY REALLY DO RAVAGE THE LAND. IT'S NOT WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS IT IS. 
          THE WATER CONSUMPTION IS REAL. WELLS DRY UP AND FARMLAND GOES. I JUST URGE YOU TO CONSIDER IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT. I, I USED TO LIVE ACTUALLY WITH IT. LIKE I SAID, THE AMAZON DATA CENTERS OFF INDUSTRIAL AND THE FIELD THAT IT WAS BEFORE WAS MY BUS DRIVER'S OLD HOUSE FOR 20 YEARS. INDUSTRY MOVED INTO THE BACKYARD THERE, WHICH WAS GREAT. 
          BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVED AWAY TO GET AWAY FROM THAT STUFF. AND THE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS SPEAKING ABOUT. PEOPLE MOVING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, MY WIFE AND I ARE AN EXAMPLE. OUR ANNUAL SALARY IS ABOUT 90,000. I'M 35. I LIKE LIVING HERE. I DON'T LIKE DATA CENTERS. 
          NEITHER DOES MY WIFE, IF THAT HELPS. SO THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. WOULD WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I KNOW THAT GENTLEMAN BACK THERE WANTED. LAUREN WAGNER. 1439 ADINA POINT. UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DATA CENTER IS GOING TO BE LOCATED RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM ADINA POINT, AND WE WERE RICH. IF I READ THE THE MAP IN THE PAPER CORRECTLY. AND ONE ONE ASPECT THAT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT, IN ADDITION TO THE WATER CONSUMPTION IS THE NOISE. THEY THEY HAVE A LOT OF NOISE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ADDRESSED IN THAT IN THE PREVIOUS PREVIOUS DISCUSSION OF THE OTHER DATA CENTER THAT WAS THAT'S GOING TO GO FARTHER EAST, BUT YOU HAVE THREE, FOUR SOURCES OF NOISE. THE FIRST OF ALL, THE ELECTRONICS IN THE DATA CENTER MAKES A LOT OF NOISE. AND THE MORE THE MORE ACTIVE IT IS, THE MORE NOISE. 
          THE SECOND THING IS THE COOLING. ELECTRONICS RUNS BETTER IF IT'S COOL, IF IT'S HOT, YOU GET A LOT OF FAILURES. SO YOU'VE GOT FANS. THE THIRD THING IS I FORGOT THE THIRD THING. THE 
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FOURTH THING IS THE NUMBER OF TRANSFORMERS. NOW I'M A I'M A TRANSFORMER ENGINEER FROM AEP. 
          I BOUGHT AND BOUGHT TRANSFORMERS FOR 24 YEARS FOR AEP. AND I KNOW WHAT THEY THEY DO, AND I KNOW THAT THE ELECTRONICS IN IN ALL THE, ALL ELECTRONICS CREATES HARMONICS AND THAT THAT RAISES HOB WITH TRANSFORMERS AND IT ALSO CAUSES NOISE. SO THIS IS THIS IS AN AREA THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO MORE INTO THE TECHNICAL PART OF THIS AND, AND ASK THE REPRESENTATIVE HOW MANY GENERATE. WELL THE, THE THE FOURTH THING IS GENERATORS. 
          THEY HAVE TO HAVE A GENERATOR TO BACK THEM UP WHEN THE POWER SUPPLY GOES OUT. NOW IT'S REASONABLE TO TO BELIEVE THAT THE POWER ISN'T GOING TO GO OUT THAT OFTEN, BUT THEY THEY RUN THESE GENERATORS ON A PERIODIC BASIS JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE WORKING. NOW, ONE OF THE ASPECTS I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IS HOW MANY GENERATORS ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE? WHAT IS WHAT IS THE DECIBEL LEVEL OF THESE GENERATORS. BECAUSE YOU CAN GET INTO IF YOU GOT A BUNCH OF THEM RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN GET 100DB. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE, BUT I THINK WE NEEDED A DISCUSSION OF IT NOW. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, I AM GOING TO CLOSE COMMENTS AND WE ARE BACK AT CITY COUNCIL'S COMMENTS, MR. PRESIDENT. YES, YES. YEAH. GO AHEAD. ZACH FAULKNER 1638 DANA POINT DRIVE. SO THIS. THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS MORE THAN JUST A NEW FACILITY, IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE FOR FUTURE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES. IF ANYBODY WHO HAS LISTENED TO ME OVER THE LAST ALMOST TWO YEARS OF MY SERVING KNOWS THAT I AM A FIRM BELIEVER AND A PROUD ADVOCATE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS PARTICULAR. DEVELOPMENT WILL CONTINUE TO DIVERSIFY MARYSVILLE'S ECONOMY, BRINGING IN NEW INVESTMENT AND HELP POSITION OUR CITY FOR A MORE RESILIENT, VIBRANT FUTURE. AND AS YOU'RE HEARING THIS EVENING, I TOO HAVE HAD TONS OF CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST. I'LL CALL IT A YEAR AND A HALF FROM THE TIME WE STARTED DISCUSSING ZONING TO NOW WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT USAGE. BUT BUT I'VE I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF LATE NIGHTS, PHONE CALLS, TEXT MESSAGES, EMAILS, YOU NAME IT. AND, YOU KNOW, TO DISCUSS DIFFERENT CONCERNS. CONCERNS FROM PROPERTY VALUATIONS TO UTILITIES LIKE YOU HEAR TONIGHT. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO TO TOUCH ON KIND OF OR AT LEAST ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS PUBLICLY BECAUSE I KNOW PRIVATELY I HAVE WITH MANY, MANY RESIDENTS, SOME OF YOU IN THIS ROOM, OTHERS AT HOME WATCHING. SO THE KEY POINTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE THIS EVENING IS THAT THIS PROJECT IS A STRATEGIC INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT THAT WILL HELP DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY. IT'LL BRING NEW OPPORTUNITIES AND HELP SECURE OUR COMMUNITY'S FUTURE GROWTH IN TERMS OF PROPERTY VALUES AND TAXES. I KNOW THAT WAS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION. I DID REACH OUT TO THE AUDITOR AND HAD AN EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION, AND HONESTLY, THERE'S NO EXPECTED POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE IMPACT ON PROPERTY VALUES OR RESIDENTS TAX BURDENS. SO FOR THOSE WITH ADDITIONAL INQUIRIES, I ASK BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T CONTROL, WE HAVE LESS THAN NOTHING TO DO WITH PROPERTY VALUATIONS. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE EXPERTS AT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, SO YOU DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. AND ON CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE THAT WE HAD JUST HEARD TWO MINUTES AGO. ALSO LIGHT POLLUTION, POLLUTION, 
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ESTHETICS, WE HAD EXTENSIVE MEETINGS OVER THE LAST OR LAST SUMMER WITH THE RESIDENTS, WITH THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, AND WE ADDRESSED MANY OF THE CONCERNS RELATED TO THE ESTHETICS, THE NOISE ORDINANCE. I BELIEVE THAT OUR NOISE ORDINANCE OR I'M SORRY, OUR WE'VE IMPLEMENTED A NOISE ORDINANCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY TO BE THE SAME AS WHAT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE IS, WHICH IS LIKE 60DB AT 100 YARDS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I DON'T ALWAYS REMEMBER, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S FOLLOWING MARYSVILLE CITY NOISE ORDINANCE. SO BECAUSE WE HEARD YOU LAST SUMMER WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE THE PUD ZONING, WE ALSO ADDRESSED DIFFERENT CONCERNS RELATED TO ESTHETICS THROUGH SETBACKS AND MOUNDING AND TREES AND OPACITY AND OTHER PROTECTIONS BUILT INTO THE TEXT THAT THE USER AND THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY. FROM A WATER PERSPECTIVE, THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE MANAGES IT. THE. 
          THIS. AS WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, WE'RE NOT DRILLING WELLS. THE SITE WILL BE FUELED THROUGH THE PUBLIC UTILITY SERVICES THROUGH THESE THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. 
          AND WE'RE HAVING ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROJECTED USER REGARDING THEIR NEEDS VERSUS THE CITY'S ABILITY TO TO SERVE THEM. SO THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY BE FINALIZED. WE HAVEN'T MADE THE AGREEMENT, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT FINALIZED THROUGH THE WATER AND SEWER SERVICES AGREEMENT AND THE NOT SO DISTANT FUTURE. IF THIS OBVIOUSLY PASSES ON THE ELECTRIC UTILITY SIDE, THIS WAS SOMETHING, AGAIN, THAT THIS COUNCIL MYSELF TO BECAUSE I AM DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECTED. DEVELOPMENT. SO ARE MY PARENTS, SO IS MY BROTHER. 
          YOU NAME IT, I'VE GOT PEOPLE INVOLVED. SO WE HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED OR CONSIDERATE TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS THAT WE SERVE SO AND SO MUCH SO THAT, YOU KNOW, TO THE GENTLEMAN'S POINT EARLIER, WE DON'T WANT TO SUBSIDIZE PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH TAXPAYER, THROUGH THE TAXPAYER USAGE RATES. SO BUT FROM A THE ELECTRIC UTILITIES VIEWPOINT, THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS SERVED BY BOTH URA AND AES. THE DISTRIBUTE THE DISTRIBUTION AS IS THE TRANSMISSION AS OHIO'S WITHIN THE PJM INTERCONNECTION. I BELIEVE THAT'S PENNSYLVANIA, PENNSYLVANIA, JERSEY AND MASSACHUSETTS OR MARYLAND. ONE OF THE. I'M SORRY PARDON MARYLAND. HE'S GOT ME OVER THERE. 1439 THANK YOU SIR. SO THE THE PJM REGIONAL GRID, THE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM'S PLANNED AND COSTS ARE SHARED ACROSS MULTIPLE STATES, WHICH HELPS SPREAD COSTS AND AVOID UNDUE BURDEN ON THE LOCALITY. SO NOT PURSUING THIS OPPORTUNITY HONESTLY MIGHT RESULT IN SIMILAR UTILITY OUTCOMES WITHOUT THE FUTURE ECONOMIC BENEFITS THAT WOULD COME FROM THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT THIS WOULD WOULD BRING. SO I GUESS, IN SHORT, I'M SORRY TO SPEAK SO LONG. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT I GET THIS OUT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A BIG PROJECT AND THAT NEW OFTEN BRINGS UNCERTAINTY, BUT I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL'S TAKING THE RIGHT STEPS BY ACTIVELY REGULATING IMPACT THROUGH OUR ZONING TEXT, WHICH WAS APPROVED LAST FALL. NEGOTIATION OR CONTINUING TO NEGOTIATE AND NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE UTILITIES COMPANIES, AND THEN ULTIMATELY MAINTAINING TRANSPARENCY THROUGHOUT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. PRESIDENT. SO THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK OKAY. OKAY. I WILL SPEAK FROM THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE SIDE IN ALL WAYS. SO SINCE THE TIME I HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY, I AM A FIRM BELIEVER IN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP ALONG WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AS WE CONSIDER THESE FACTORS. FROM THE FIRST MEETING, PROBABLY I REMEMBER MAKING A COMMENT ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING REGIONALLY TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF DATA CENTERS. FOLLOW THAT UP WITH A MEETING IN MARCH WHERE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PACKAGE WAS PRESENTED TO US. 
          WHICH FROM VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T LIKE TO SPEAK OF THIS 
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COUNCIL IN THIS BODY IN GENERAL, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS. SOMETIMES WE HAVE SIMILAR VIEWS, SOMETIMES WE DON'T. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE. BUT THERE WERE CONCERNS FROM VARIOUS MEMBERS ABOUT CREATING THE RIGHT INCENTIVES AND A MATRIX THAT WE HAD A SCORING MATRIX TO SAY, WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT DO WE WANT TO ATTRACT, OR RELATING INCENTIVES TO DIFFERENT FACTORS RELATING TO JOBS OR VARIOUS FACTORS, BUT TRYING TO INCLUDE SOME OTHER CRITERIA RELATED TO WATER USE OR EFFICIENCY, AND THEN MOVE ON LATER IN MARCH, WHERE THERE WAS A DELIVERY AND INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT AND UTILITIES CAPACITY RESERVATION AGREEMENT FOR MARYSVILLE SOUTH AND MARYSVILLE EAST. ONE OF MY CONCERNS AT THAT TIME WAS THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF WATER CAPACITY RESERVATION FOR MARYSVILLE EAST, BUT NO MENTION OF MARYSVILLE SOUTH. IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME. IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT FOR ME IN THESE FUNDAMENTAL DOCUMENTS, ORDINANCES, LEGISLATION TO HAVE AS MUCH CLARITY AS POSSIBLE FOR TRANSPARENCY. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN TO ME EARLY ON. I WILL REPEAT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I HAD LAST WEEK, BECAUSE I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THESE IN PLACE PRIOR TO WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING THESE AGREEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT MEANINGFUL REVISIONS TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PLAN TO HAVE A WORK SESSION OR SOME KIND OF INFORMATION FOR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHERE WE HAVE EXPERTS FROM VARIOUS AREAS WHO, YOU KNOW, CAN OFFER SOME SUGGESTIONS HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT FACTORS INTO OUR ECONOMIC POLICIES AND TO SUSPEND NEGOTIATION OF INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN VOICES HEARD NOT JUST IN MARYSVILLE, BUT THROUGHOUT THE REGION. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR WATER SYSTEM BEING UNIQUE AND COVERING THE COUNTY, WE HAVE, I THINK, A RESPONSIBILITY TO WORK TOGETHER OVER THE COURSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, I'VE SEEN MANY THINGS FRAMED AS THIS IS ABOUT A SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER IT BE WEAVER ROAD, WHETHER IT BE BUXTON MEADOW, WHETHER IT BE JOLLY ROAD. TO ME, THIS IS MUCH MORE ABOUT MORE THAN ABOUT BUFFERS. OR CAN WE FIGURE OUT AND MAKE THESE RESIDENTS HAPPY? THOSE ARE THE VOICES THAT HAVE COME TO THE FOREFRONT IN MY SHORT TIME ON COUNCIL, BUT I THINK THEY REFLECT A BIGGER PICTURE, AND I THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY AND NOT LOOK AT IT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE. AND NOW THAT THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE OVER WITH, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THAT. I AM ALSO CONCERNED. I THINK I WOULD LOVE TO GET GIVE CREDIT TO A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN BY CITY STAFF AND BY VARIOUS WORKING GROUPS, INCLUDING THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP, WHO HAS LOOKED AT ADJUSTING THOSE RATES SO THAT WE CAN BE CREATING THE RIGHT TYPES OF INCENTIVES AND PRICING, BECAUSE IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL TOGETHER. WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING THAT FOR FIRST READING TONIGHT. SO I THINK MOST OF US MAKE DECISIONS. WE WANT THE INFORMATION FIRST. WE WANT CLARITY. WE HAVE ALSO LOOKING AT INCLUDING A WELL ORDINANCE. SO WE HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT AT A CITY LEVEL IN POTENTIAL WELL INSTALLATION. I KNOW THERE IS TALK OF CREATING A CAPACITY BOARD TO LOOK AT ISSUES OF WATER ALLOCATIONS. SO WE ARE MAKING STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT TO MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS WHEN WE HAVE THINGS IN PROCESS AND NOT COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ORDINANCE IN PLACE. AND SO TO JUMP AHEAD OF THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD RECENTLY SOME THINGS WHERE SOMETHING CAME BACK TO COUNCIL BECAUSE OF SOME THINGS THAT GOT MISSED FOR EFFICIENCY PURPOSES. THIS IS TOO BIG TO MISS ANYTHING FOR EFFICIENCY 
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PURPOSES BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, AND THAT WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT AN INDIVIDUAL. WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THERE IS CURRENTLY ENOUGH WATER CAPACITY, BUT UNLESS WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THE FUTURE IS FOR THIS TO BE. AND, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A MASTER PLANNER IS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER FROM THE ONSET. I DO RECALL WHEN A RECENT AMENDMENT CAME UP AND I HAD REQUESTED WHEN WE WERE LOOKING OR, SORRY, AN ANNEXATION. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE ANNEXATIONS TO BIGGER PARCELS AND DEVELOPMENTS, LET'S SHOW THE WHOLE THING, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS NEED TO KEEP IN OUR MIND THIS IS A SMALL PIECE, NOT JUST IN LAND, BUT IN ITS POTENTIAL IMPACT TO OUR ENVIRONMENT, TO OUR UTILITIES AND SO MANY, SO MANY DIFFERENT FACTORS. SO I WOULD AGAIN ENCOURAGE ANY TIME, ANY PIECE OF THIS COMES BEFORE US, THAT AT SOME POINT WE SEE A MAP TO SHOW WHERE THIS FITS IN TO THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENT. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER. ANYBODY ELSE? OH YEAH. OH, I'M SO SORRY. YOU DID SAY YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. MY APOLOGIES. SO AT THE LAST MEETING, I ASKED ABOUT ELECTRIC UTILITY CAPACITY IN THE AREA BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CAPACITY NOT BEING THERE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE COST BEING PUT ON AREA RESIDENTS TO UPGRADE THE ELECTRIC CAPACITY. 
          DO WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT? OKAY. ERIC, ACTUALLY, DID YOU HEAR COUNCILMAN RYAN'S QUESTIONS ON ELECTRIC CAPACITY? I THINK YOU HAVE THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION. YEAH. AND I THINK MR. BORDNER ADDRESSED IT EARLIER. WE'RE UNDER WE'RE INVOLVED. WE HAVE A MAKE SURE YOU'RE SPEAKING IN THE MICROPHONE. WE HAVE A 13 STATE GRID THAT WE'RE ON CURRENTLY. 
          AND IF THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS HERE OR IN LOUDOUN COUNTY, VIRGINIA, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ON ON THE SAME GRID AS WE ARE. SO DATA CENTERS ARE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IN THAT AREA. 
          EVERYTHING, ALL THE ELECTRIC GRID IS THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND IT SPREAD OUT THROUGH THE GRID. 
          AND THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM AS OHIO AS WELL AS YOU ARE. THE PROPERTY IS SPLIT ABOUT IN HALF WITH YOU'RE IN OHIO, BUT BOTH ARE DISTRIBUTION COMPANIES FOR FOR THE SITE. AND SO THEREFORE IT'S ALL IT'S ACTUALLY SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE GRID IS REALLY THE POINT TO BE MADE HERE. SO IT SHOULD NOT HAVE AN IMPACT WHETHER IT'S HERE OR IT'S IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY IN OHIO OR THROUGH THROUGH THE STATE GRID. SO, COUNCILMAN REEVES, THEY'LL BE TAKING TRANSMISSION LEVEL POWER FROM OHIO. AND LIKE ANY OTHER UTILITY, AES OHIO HAS AN OBLIGATION TO SERVE ITS EXISTING CUSTOMERS AND HAS TO GO THROUGH A REGULATORY PROCESS BOTH AT THE STATE LEVEL, THROUGH THE PUCO AND PJM, THE REGIONAL TRANSMISSION OPERATOR, TO MAKE SURE ANY ADDED LOAD TO THE SYSTEM CAN BE DELIVERED WITHOUT IMPACTING THE ELECTRIC SERVICE OF EXISTING CUSTOMERS. SO AES HAS BEEN STUDYING THAT THEY CONTINUE TO STUDY IT, AND THIS PROJECT WILL MOVE FORWARD. ULTIMATELY, BECAUSE AES WILL BE ABLE TO DELIVER THE POWER. AND AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU WANT SOMEONE FROM OHIO TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE OR YOU OR I SPOKE TO BOTH OF THEM TODAY, HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DIALOG AND DISCUSSION. IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO SOMEONE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THOSE ITEMS. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED DURING THE COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, WHO WILL PAY TO UPGRADE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE? YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A QUESTION I THINK A COUPLE PEOPLE ASKED. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE REQUIRE THE THE PROPERTY OWNER OR DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR THAT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CAPACITY FEES SO THAT THAT'S PAID BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE DEVELOPER, NOT BY THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MICHELLE BROUGHT UP, SHE WAS CONCERNED THAT THE JOBS MAY NOT EXIST IN THE FUTURE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT IS THERE'S ACTUALLY A REQUIRED PAYROLL, AND WE TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF JOBS IN THE AGREEMENT, AND 
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THAT'S REVIEWED ANNUALLY BY THE TAX INCENTIVE REVIEW COMMITTEE. IF THEY DON'T MEET THOSE NUMBERS, THAT INCENTIVE CAN BE REMOVED OR CLAWED BACK. SO IF THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE JOBS, THEY WOULD NOT GET THAT INCENTIVE. AND. I THINK THAT'S IT. SO I DO WANT TO FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT ELECTRIC CAPACITY ISSUE. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUICK COMMENT BECAUSE WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PUD ZONING ACTIVITIES LAST SUMMER, JUST REMINDER, THIS PARCEL WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED FOR M1 AND M2 MANUFACTURING. AND THAT THE THE GENERAL CONSENSUS AND THE SENTIMENT THAT I RECEIVED, AT LEAST FROM THE ONES THAT I SPOKE WITH AND AND RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM WAS I DON'T WANT 3000 ISH MANUFACTURING JOBS IN MY BACKYARD. SO WE WE DEFINITELY TARGETED THIS AREA FOR FOR A REASON. IT'S SUITED THE THE THE LAND USE IT, YOU KNOW, PREVENTED WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE INDUSTRIAL KIND OF MANUFACTURING SITE. AND ULTIMATELY WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE FUNNELED WE'VE EVEN KEPT THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC OFF OF A WEAVER ROAD, PER THE, THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS REQUEST THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPERS ACTUALLY BUILDING A BRIDGE OVER THE, THE CSX OR PROPOSING TO BUILD A BRIDGE IF IT'S PASSED OVER THE CSX RAILROAD. JUST SO WE SO WE WEREN'T HAVING TRAFFIC UP AND DOWN WEAVER ROAD. THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN LAST SUMMER. SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THE HISTORY AND WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE ARE, AND KIND OF THE GUARDRAILS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE TO ADDRESS MANY IF. WELL, I JUST I'LL SAY MANY BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY ALL THE CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO THAT LAND USE. SO THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, I WOULD JUST HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. JULIE, YOU HAD MENTIONED A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING TO TALK ABOUT. I KNOW WE HAVE HAD SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS ON THE USE OF WATER AND THE CONSTRAINTS THAT IT PUTS ON A COMMUNITY. I AGREE THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR US AS A COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, WITH THAT AS SINNERS AND THE USE BEFORE WE HAVE A SPECIFIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY AND FINISH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PLAN. BUT ULTIMATELY, I THINK BEFORE WE REACH A UNDERSTANDING AND KIND OF A PLAN WITH ON A COUNTY WIDE LEVEL, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T JUST AFFECT US, IT AFFECTS THE REST OF THE COUNTY AS WELL. 
          COMING TO A CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO MOVING FORWARD WITH DATA CENTERS THROUGHOUT UNION COUNTY, NOT JUST WITHIN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, BUT SOUTH INTO JEROME TOWNSHIP, INTO THAT AREA. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THERE WAS A AN ARTICLE THAT WAS SENT TO US RECENTLY, JUST KIND OF IN, IN SUPPORT OF DATA CENTERS. AND IT'S BY THE TOLEDO BLADE EDITORIAL BOARD. AND THEY MAKE A COMMENT IN HERE THAT DEALS WITH ELECTRIC CAPACITY. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING AND I WOULD, IF POSSIBLE, ERIC, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE SOMEONE FROM LOWE'S OR URI COME IN WHEN WE GET TO A THIRD READING AND COMMENT ON THIS AND JUST KIND OF BRING UP, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM. BUT IN HERE IT STATES THE SUDDEN INTEREST IN GREATER TOLEDO BY DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS IS DRIVEN BY CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS. IN COLUMBUS, THERE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH ELECTRIC POWER CAPACITY TO SERVE ANOTHER DATA CENTER, UNLESS THAT DATA CENTER IS COMBINED WITH A POWER PLANT. 
          AND THIS IS WITHIN A DOCUMENT THAT THEY'RE ARGUING THAT THE CITY OF TOLEDO SHOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MORE DATA CENTERS. SO IT'S NOT SOMEONE SAYING THAT DATA CENTERS ARE BAD. IT'S IT'S AN INTERESTING POINT THEY MAKE ABOUT WANTING TO ATTRACT THEM FROM COLUMBUS TO TOLEDO. SO I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED MAKE IT TO A POINT WHERE WE WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK INTO WHAT DATA CENTERS ARE GOING TO DO TO OUR AREA AND WHAT OUR PLAN WILL BE MOVING FORWARD, NOT JUST TODAY. I, I MEAN, NORMALLY IT'S JUST COUNCIL COMMENTS. OKAY. SORRY, MR. RHODEN CAMP. SO JUST YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE STATEMENTS I WANT TO MAKE, NOT FOR OR AGAINST, JUST EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE. THE STATE OF OHIO IS GIVING HUGE SUBSIDIES FOR DATA CENTERS TO BE LOCATED IN THE STATE OF OHIO. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY OHIO IS BEING LOOKED AT AS AS FOR DATA CENTERS. SO IT'S COMING FROM THE STATE. AND I 
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UNDERSTAND THAT RESIDENTS DON'T CAN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR STATE OR FEDERAL OFFICIALS. SO THEY COME TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND SOMETIMES WE GET THE, THE, THE BLOW OF THE CONCERNS OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE. AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT IF IT'S HOUSING STANDARDS OR DATA CENTERS OR WATER OR WHATEVER, WE ALL LIVE HERE AND WE ALL ARE IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF OUR LIVES. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THE NEEDS AND WANTS OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US IS DIFFERENT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES US UNIQUE. AND DEMOCRACY, RIGHT. AS A POLITICAL BODY, OUR AGE, OUR BACKGROUNDS, OUR JOBS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN COMMENTS ABOUT HOW DROME CREATED A MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTERS. WELL, I DON'T THINK MOST RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND THAT DROME IS ONLY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF OUR WATER. WE PROVIDE THEM THEIR WATER. IF WE DO NOT PROVIDE THEM WATER, THAT DROME WOULD HAVE NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE BUILT. AND TOWNSHIPS DO NOT SURVIVE LONG TERM. AND THAT IS SOMETHING ALSO LIKE AS YOU AS A CITY GROWS, TOWNSHIPS EVENTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY OF ZONING, HIRING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND SO THAT'S JUST THE OTHER OTHER THE OTHER ISSUE, THE ONE ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT THESE DATA CENTERS, EVEN THOUGH LIKE WE ARE COUNCIL, WE READ THE SAME CONCERNS. YOU GUYS. DO WE SEE THE SAME VIDEOS ON FACEBOOK? I MEAN, SOME OF YOU GUYS I KNOW AND I, I READ YOUR COMMENTS AND STUFF. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE DATA CENTERS, I CAN'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE CITY COUNCILS ARE APPROVING IN THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES, THESE OTHER STATES LIKE INDIANAPOLIS AND THESE OTHER CITIES. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS DONE AND WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE IS THAT WE ARE PROVING DATA CENTERS THAT USE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AS A CAR WASH. AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T THINK ABOUT CAR WASHES USING A LOT OF WATER, BUT CAR WASHES USE 50,000 GALLONS OF WATER. AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, ON A BUSY WINTER DAY WHEN EVERYONE WANTS TO GET THEIR SALT OFF THEIR CAR OR A SPRING DAY, THEY USE A LOT MORE WATER THAN THAT. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, I TOTALLY AGREE. BUT THIS HAS TO BE A PRO LIKE SUSTAINABILITY MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY HAS TO BE A TO TO SPEAK UPON ALL DEVELOPMENT TYPES, NOT JUST FOCUSED ON DATA CENTERS, BUT THEN ALSO WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM A LAND USE MAP. BECAUSE IF WE KNOW THAT CAR WASHES CAN USE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AS DATA CENTERS, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWING SO MANY CAR WASHES TO BE BUILT IN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. NOW, RESIDENTS LOVE CAR WASHES BECAUSE THEY DRIVE IN, THEY GET THEIR CARS WASHED AND THEY DRIVE OUT AND THEY PROVIDE A SERVICE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE PROVIDING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AS WHAT WE ARE SAYING A DATA CENTER CAN USE. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME LITTLE LIKE THINKING. SO NEXT TIME YOU'RE AT YOUR CAR WASH AND YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH WASHING YOUR CAR, JUST THINK THAT THEY'RE USING THE SAME AMOUNT AS WHAT A DATA CENTER WOULD USE IN A, YOU KNOW, GIVEN TIME. I JUST HAD A COMMENT. SO WE HAVE A AN APPLICANT ENGAGED IN THIS PROJECT, AND I KNOW IT SEEMED AS IF YOU WERE GOING TO STAND. I FEEL AS IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF THERE ARE MATTERS THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED. GIVEN THAT THIS IS SECOND READING, WE HAVE A PUBLIC BODY, PUBLIC PRESENCE. WE HAVE WEEKS BEFORE WE CAN VOTE. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER, OKAY, DICK ROGGENKAMP, 8000 WALTON PARKWAY, NEW ALBANY, OHIO I'M MANAGING DIRECTOR OF THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY. I WANTED TO QUICKLY COMMENT ON ON WHAT MR. WOLFF MENTIONED CONCERNING THE TOLEDO BLADE ARTICLE. THE CONSTRAINT IN ELECTRICAL POWER THAT THEY ARE REFERRING TO IS AEP'S TERRITORY IN CENTRAL OHIO, NOT NO ONE IS SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A POWER PLANT IN MARYSVILLE. AND FINALLY, THAT ARTICLE THAT HE IS REFERRING TO, IF YOU READ THE ENTIRE THING, IT'S THE TOLEDO BLADE SAYING, HEY, HIGH END COMMUNITIES LIKE NEW ALBANY AND CENTRAL OHIO HAVE EMBRACED DATA CENTERS. WHY ARE WE IN TOLEDO AFRAID OF THEM? THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY. OH. GO AHEAD, JUST ONE CLARIFICATION FOR THE WATER USAGE. THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF WATER USAGE FOR DATA CENTERS. SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT MAY BE IN SOME CASES COMPARABLE TO A CAR WASH. BUT IT'S PROBABLY A GENERALIZATION TO, TO TO MAKE THAT EQUIVALENT. AND I THINK ALSO PART OF IT IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE ALLOCATION AT THIS POINT FOR THE ONES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY BEFORE US. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? 
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OKAY. HEARING NONE, THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE ON DECEMBER 1ST OKAY. OR 
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ORDINANCE S FIRST READING. INTRODUCTION TO AMEND PART NINE STREETS, UTILITIES AND PUBLIC SERVICES OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE. CODIFIED ORDINANCES. ADMINISTRATION. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YES, OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICE, JEREMY HOYT, RECENTLY MADE A PRESENTATION AT A WORK SESSION WITH TO CITY COUNCIL. IT WAS REFERRED TO A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS. HE WILL BE BACK ON DECEMBER 1ST TO TO DO A PRESENTATION AGAIN TO UPDATE YOU ON THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING. AND SO I ASK THAT IF YOU CAN MOVE THIS LEGISLATION TO THE SECOND READING, WHERE HE'LL DO THE PRESENTATION ON DECEMBER 1ST. OKAY, SAME ONE HE DID VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HE DID AT THE WORK SESSION THAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. HEARING NONE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT SOME INFORMATION WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM BEFORE SECOND READING, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS IF YOU'RE HERE TO PROVIDE INPUT BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET SOME? ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN GET THE PRESENTATION OUT IN ADVANCE OF MONDAY NIGHT IF IF THAT'S FINE. 
          IF IF THAT WORKS, WE CAN GET THAT OUT TO ALL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. AND SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. AND IF I MAY, THOSE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING WERE APPROVED TONIGHT AS WELL. SO I'LL PUT THOSE ON THE WEBSITE TOMORROW MORNING. OKAY. SO YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT I, I THINK IT'S STAYED FAIRLY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE PRESENTATION IN THE WORK SESSION. SO REFER TO THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE DATE WAS NOVEMBER 3RD. IS THAT CORRECT? AND I'LL POST THOSE ON THE WEBSITE TOMORROW. THANK YOU. 
          ONE THING JUST TO ADD IT IS IN THE MEETING PACKET AS WELL THE LEGISLATION. SO THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE. THANK YOU. SO HEARING NO MORE COMMENTS. THIS WILL BE BACK FOR SECOND READING 
          [COMMENTS OF THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL PERSONS AND GENERAL DISCUSSION]
PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST. COMMENTS OF CITY MANAGER I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. I'LL PASS. 
          THANK YOU THANK YOU. I'LL GO TO MISS KRAMER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO START TONIGHT? I THINK I SPOKE QUITE A BIT TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR FOR COMING HERE AND EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION. AND THOSE OF YOU, YOU KNOW, WHO WHO FOLLOW ALONG WITH WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          IT'S IT'S APPRECIATED. AND I JUST ENJOY SEEING PEOPLE ENGAGED AND HAVING HAVING THAT FEEDBACK. SO THANK YOU, MR. REAMS. YOU KNOW I SPOKE QUITE A BIT TONIGHT TOO DIDN'T I. I'M ALL TALKED OUT. SO I'M GOING TO PASS. OKAY. MR. HUNTER, JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I HAD A PLEASANT TIME AT THE TREE LIGHTING AND THE CHRISTMAS WALK ON SATURDAY EVENING. I THOUGHT IT WAS A WELL PUT ON EVENT. THE CITY, MAIN STREET, MARYSVILLE, ALL THAT WERE INVOLVED. I SAW CITY CREWS. OH, MAN. MAYBE MIDNIGHT TIMING, PULLING THINGS OUT OF THE STREETS, GETTING IT CLEANED UP. SO I'M JUST APPRECIATIVE OF THE THE WORK THAT WAS PUT INTO THAT. I SAID IT IN OUR LAST MEETING AND BUDGET DISCUSSION, BUT I DO THINK, YES, CITY, CITY WORKERS, BACKBONE OF THE COMMUNITY, GREAT, GREAT WORK THAT NIGHT AND GETTING IT CLEANED UP SO QUICKLY AND GETTING THINGS IN ORDER FOR THAT SATURDAY NIGHT. SO SUNDAY NIGHT TO TO ALLOW ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC TO HAPPEN. AND IT WAS JUST A VERY PLEASANT TIME. I THINK I SAW A LOT OF FAMILIES. I TOOK A PORTION OF MY FAMILY WAS OUT AND ABOUT THAT NIGHT. SO A GREAT TIME AND JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO IT NEXT YEAR. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THEN I'LL ACTUALLY SKIP AND GO DOWN TO MR. BALLINGER. I SPOKE A LOT THIS EVENING TOO. I JUST WANT TO SAY HAPPY HOLIDAYS, THANKSGIVING. HOWEVER YOU CELEBRATE THIS WEEK, ENJOY YOUR FAMILY. I KNOW THAT I'M GRATEFUL FOR A LOT OF THINGS AND GRATEFUL FOR MY FAMILY, GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY. JUST ENJOY YOUR LOVED ONES AND ENJOY. HOPEFULLY YOU GET SOME TIME OFF TO LITTLE R&R. THANKS MR. WOOD. YEAH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE TREE LIGHTING ON SATURDAY. I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT CHANGE WE HAD PUTTING IT ON THE WEEKENDS AND MORE PEOPLE COULD COME OUT AND FAMILIES COULD ENJOY IT AND SPEND MORE TIME THERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, GETTING YOUR DAY STARTED OR YOUR DAY STARTED ON A TUESDAY WHEN WE DID IT LAST YEAR ON A MONDAY NIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S SATURDAY IS A REALLY GOOD CHANGE AND HOPEFULLY KEEP DOING THAT MOVING FORWARD. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING. I ENJOY YOUR TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. YOU KNOW, EAT, EAT A LOT OF GOOD FOOD AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE SEE, SEE MARK OR SCOTT AT THE PUMPKIN DASH ON THURSDAY, BUT 
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AND JULIE AND YOU KNOW, HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GOOD REST OF YOUR WEEK. THANK YOU. YOU MEAN TO SAY GOBBLE SO THAT YOU CAN WOBBLE? IS THAT THE IDEA? ANYWAY, TALKING ABOUT GOBBLING, WE HAD A DINNER MEETING LAST THURSDAY WITH THE LOGAN UNION AND CHAMPAGNE ORGANIZATION THAT WE ARE A MEMBER OF, AND I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE NEXT YEAR TO MAYBE GET BRETT BODENMILLER AS A FEATURED SPEAKER OUT HERE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE LOGAN UNION CHAMPAIGN COUNTY DOES. WE HAVE RECRUITED THEM FOR HELP. OUR STAFF GOES OUT THERE AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, SO IT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF WE JUST NOT ISOLATED. WE'RE NOT IT'S NOT JUST OKAY, WE'RE UNION COUNTY, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT OTHERS. NO, NO, NO. WE WORK VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER WITH LOGAN. WE WORK VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER WITH CHAMPAGNE, REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS COUNCIL. WE WE WERE ASKED TO BE THERE TO SELECT A NEW BOARD THAT IS NOW IN PLACE FOR NEXT YEAR. AND THEY THEY IN THEIR SERVICE LINE, THEY, THEY HAD MORE THAN 112 DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT OUTREACH PROJECTS. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE HAD TO DO WITH MARIJUANA. SOME OF THEM HAD TO DO WITH SOME OF THE TOWNSHIPS THAT ARE NEEDING TO UPDATE THEIR ZONING. AND THAT'S WHERE THE LUCK COMES IN. SO AGAIN, IT WAS A VERY ENJOYABLE MEETING BECAUSE I GOT TO MEET COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM OTHER CITIES. COMMISSIONERS. AND IT WAS JUST A NICE TIME TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATES AND COMES OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE VOICES ARE NOT HEARD. BUT I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT SHOWS REPRESENTATION OF YOU HAVE MAYBE TWO PEOPLE ON TWO DIFFERENT SPECTRUMS THINKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND IT JUST SHOWS YOU THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE A GROUP OF SEVEN DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN WE AGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER, BUT WE STILL COLLECTIVELY CREATE A COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE DESIRE TO BE HERE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT AND I WILL BE PART OF THE PUMPKIN DASH. SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE YOU AND SCOTT. MARK, ARE YOU PARTICIPATING THIS YEAR? PROBABLY. AND YOU GUYS UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY, SO I'LL BE ON SEVENTH STREET OKAY. WE'RE WAVE, WE'RE WAVE. SO THERE'S COULD BE FOUR OF US. THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY COOL. AND A I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY THANKSGIVING TRULY AND DEARLY. 
          YOU KNOW TAKE SOME TIME, YOU KNOW, AND SPEND IT WITH YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. AND HOWEVER YOU SPEND THAT HOLIDAY AND ALSO SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY IS COMING UP. SO DO YOUR PART AND SUPPORT LOCAL EVEN IF IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ON SMALL BUSINESS. SOMETIME DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, EVERY DOLLAR TRULY DOES COUNT, ESPECIALLY NOW. AND YOU KNOW, TIMES ARE HARD FOR ALL OF US, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS RIGHT NOW. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS
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