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          DECEMBER TO EVERYBODY. AND SECOND, I WANT TO WELCOME YOU ALL TO THE DECEMBER 1ST, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. PLEASE STAND. FOR. THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND STAY STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALMIGHTY GOD, WE ASK YOU TO GUIDE US THROUGHOUT THIS MEETING AS WE SEEK TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND ITS CITIZENS. AMEN. AMEN. 
          AMEN. ROLL CALL ZACH BODNER HERE. STEVEN WOLF HERE. HANK FURBEE PRESENT. DONALD BERGER, SCOTT HUNTER HERE. MARK REAMES. JULIE KRAMER HERE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE 
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BEING MADE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. SO I'LL STATE THE FOLLOWING APPOINTMENTS. AND IF YOU ARE HERE AND YOU'RE IN ATTENDANCE, IF YOU CAN JUST STAND WHEN YOUR NAME IS ANNOUNCED. AND THEN IF YOU CAN JUST HOLD AN APPLAUSE UNTIL THE END. ALL OF THESE APPOINTMENTS BEGIN IN ON JANUARY 1ST OF 2026, AND THEN I'LL STATE THE END DATE. SO THE FIRST OUR CITY MANAGER APPOINTMENTS, THERE'S NO VOTE REQUIRED. AND THIS IS JUST TO NOTIFY EVERYONE. SO REAPPOINTMENTS OF CHAD WOLLOWITZ TO THE DESIGN REVIEW REVIEW BOARD THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2030, WHICH SEEMS WEIRD TO SAY. 2030 REAPPOINTMENT OF KIM KIRWIN TO THE LOCAL BOARD OF TAX REVIEW THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2027. THE NEXT ARE PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS WITH APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL, WHICH REQUIRE A VOICE VOTE. THE REAPPOINTMENT OF BOB MICHAEL TO THE UTILITY CLAIMS BOARD OF APPEALS THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2027. ALL IN FAVOR A REAPPOINTMENT OF SCOTT ZAWINSKI TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2030. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. NEXT ARE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS, WHICH REQUIRE A VOICE VOTE. REAPPOINTMENT OF SUE DEVINE TO THE MARYSVILLE SOUTHEAST NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2027. ALL IN FAVOR AND REAPPOINTMENT OF JONATHAN GUMEL TO THE MARYSVILLE SOUTHEAST NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2027. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AWESOME. AND THEN RELATED TO THE MARYSVILLE SOUTHEAST NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. THERE ARE APPOINTEES FROM THE DEVELOPER WHICH ARE PRESENT TONIGHT. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP TO THE PODIUM AND JUST INTRODUCING YOURSELF TO COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. MATT MCQUAID, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE MARYSVILLE LAND COMPANY. LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THE MARYSVILLE SOUTHEAST NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. THANK YOU. I'M BRIAN RODY, I'M THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, ALSO WITH THE MARYSVILLE LAND COMPANY. IT'S GOOD TO MEET YOU ALL. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON THE NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY. AND I'M GOING TO LOWER THE MIC FOR THE SHORT GIRL. HI, I'M ANNA QUELLO, I'M WITH ANNA QUELLO CONSULTING, AND I'LL BE THE ADDITIONAL MEMBER ON THE NCAA. IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL. HAPPY DECEMBER. 
          THANK YOU. AND NOW JUST A FEW MORE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS. THE REAPPOINTMENT OF BRIAN RAVENCROFT TO THE LOCAL BOARD OF TAX REVIEW THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2027. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE. AND REAPPOINTMENT OF ROBERT ANDERTON TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2030. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AND REAPPOINTMENT OF CHAD WALDEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF 2029. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD, ADD TO TO THE TO THIS IS THAT WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE TAKING THE TIME TO NOT ONLY WANT TO BE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WANTING TO CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE AND LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO WANT TO JUST MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT. AND GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE SMALL INCREMENTS OF CHANGE EVERY DAY TO BENEFIT THE LIVES OF THE ONES AFTER US. SO THANK YOU TO ALL OF THOSE MEMBERS WHO WANTED TO BE REAPPOINTED THIS EVENING AND THE NEW ONES. 
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ADMINISTRATION REPORT. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, A FEW ITEMS TONIGHT. 
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OF COURSE, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE CHRISTMAS SEASON. SO A FEW THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. THIS THIS SUNDAY, THE ANNUAL MARYSVILLE ELKS CHRISTMAS PARADE WILL TAKE PLACE. AND STARTING AT 2 P.M. HERE IN UPTOWN MARYSVILLE. SO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AVAILABLE TO TAKE PART IN THE CHRISTMAS PARADE THIS SUNDAY. THE DAY BEFORE THIS SATURDAY IS SHOP WITH A HERO. YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THAT BEFORE. IT'S GREAT. THANKS TO THE MARYSVILLE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS. SATURDAY, DECEMBER 6TH, THEY'LL BE PARTICIPATING IN SHOP WITH THE HERO FROM 8 A.M. TO 11 A.M. THERE WILL BE A PROCESSION OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES FROM MARYSVILLE HIGH SCHOOL BEGINNING AT 9 A.M. TO STORES ON COLEMAN'S CROSSING, AND EACH FIRST RESPONDER WILL BE TAKING A LOCAL CHILD SHOPPING AT MEIJER OR WALMART. YOU KNOW, SO WE NEED TO MAKE THIS VERY WELL KNOWN, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN YOU SEE THE VEHICLES NAVIGATING THROUGH TOWN, IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF A SHOCK. BUT IT'S A WONDERFUL EVENT AND JUST WANT TO THANK OUR POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THIS. TWO OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN JUST WONDERFUL IS IS THE FIRST BEING MERRY ON MAIN. OUR ICE ICE SKATING THAT'S COMING BACK AGAIN THIS YEAR STARTING ON DECEMBER 12TH. SO IT STARTS ON DECEMBER 12TH, WHICH IS A FRIDAY FROM 5 TO 8 P.M. ON THAT FRIDAY, SO I'M SURE IT'LL BE BUSY. THEN ON THE WEEKEND, DECEMBER 13TH AND 14TH, IT'LL BE FROM 2 TO 8 P.M. ON ON THE WEEKEND DAYS, SO YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT FOR A SIX HOUR PERIOD. THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK AGAIN WE GO BACK. DURING THE WEEK IT'LL BE FROM 5 P.M. TO 8 P.M. BETWEEN DECEMBER 15TH AND DECEMBER 19TH, AND THEN DECEMBER 20TH TO JANUARY 4TH. THAT ENTIRE TIME PERIOD, IT'LL BE FROM 2 P.M. TO 8 P.M. WITH ALL THE KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL AT THAT TIME, IT WILL BE CLOSED ON CHRISTMAS DAY, SO IT WON'T BE THERE. BUT CHRISTMAS EVE AND ALL THOSE DAYS LEADING UP, PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE. SKATING IS FREE TO RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF ALL AGES, SO THAT INCLUDES ALL OF YOU. IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND SKATE AND I AM GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR SOME OF YOU, I'LL BE LOOKING OUT MY WINDOW SEEING YOU GUYS SKATING DOWN THERE. SO. 
          THEN THE LAST THING BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO JEREMY VISITS WITH SANTA PARTNERS PARK IS COMING UP. I'LL STATE THE DATES TONIGHT, BUT WE'LL BE POSTING IT AND PUTTING IT OUT THERE DECEMBER 11TH FROM 5 TO 7 P.M. DECEMBER 13TH FROM NOON TO 2 P.M. DECEMBER 18TH FROM 5 TO 7 P.M. DECEMBER 20TH FROM NOON TO 2 P.M. AND DECEMBER 23RD FROM 5 TO 7 P.M. YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING THAT WE CAN GET SANTA HERE IN MARYSVILLE FIVE DAYS, RIGHT IN THE MIDST OF THE HEART 
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OF THE CHRISTMAS SEASON. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO PEOPLE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT AS WELL. SO I'LL TURN IT DOWN TO JEREMY TO GIVE THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. YEAH. THANKS, TERRY. 
          CITY STREET CREWS ARE FINALIZING THEIR WINTER EVENT PREPARATION, SO GETTING THE PLOWS READY MORE THAN LIKELY FOR TONIGHT. THEY'RE ALSO WORKING AT THE FORMER WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND ASSISTING WITH LEAF PICKUP. PARKS AND EVENTS. STAFF IS PREPARING FOR THE HOLIDAYS, SO THERE'LL BE SOME SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS VIA ANNA AND GETTING THE UPTOWN SPEAKER SYSTEM GOING WITH HOLIDAY MUSIC. CITY WATER CREWS CONTINUE ON THE CONNOLLY STREET WATER LINE REPLACEMENT NORTH OF LYDIA DRIVE. AND THEN LAST WEEK, OUR AVERAGE WATER PRODUCTION WAS 2.97 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WHICH IS ABOUT 50% OF OUR PEAK FLOW THAT WE SAW IN JULY. SO QUITE A DROP OFF. AND THEN FINALLY WASTEWATER. OUR CREWS ARE ATTENDING A COUPLE MEETINGS THIS WEEK, INCLUDING AN AI SEWER ASSESSMENT FOR ALL OF OUR SEWERS, AND TO DISCUSS THE ALTERNATIVE BID PROCUREMENT FOR OUR UPCOMING FILTER PROJECT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT PUBLIC SAFETY PUBLIC SERVICE LAST MONTH. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KYLE FOR HOPEFULLY SOME CONSTRUCTION UPDATES. THANKS, JEREMY. JUST ONE CONSTRUCTION UPDATE TONIGHT AND THAT IS FOR THE CHERRY STREET SAN ANTONIO IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. BEGINNING THIS WEEK. OUR CONTRACTOR WILL MOVE OVER TO LAKEVIEW DRIVE AND START INSTALLING ABOUT 300FT OF SANITARY SEWER ON LAKEVIEW DRIVE. SO WE'RE HOPING TO WRAP THAT UP IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND HAVE IT ALL BUTTONED UP BEFORE THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS. JUST ONE MORE THING, MR. PRESIDENT. AND THEN IF THERE'S 
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ANY QUESTIONS, THIS IS THE LAST WEEK FOR ANNA AS OUR COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR WITH THE CITY. HER LAST DAY IS ON FRIDAY. YOU'RE YOU'RE INVITED. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CAKE IN THE OFFICE ON THURSDAY, PROBABLY AROUND 130 OR AFTER IF YOU GET A CHANCE IN THE AFTERNOON ON THURSDAY OR SOMETHING. YOU COULD EVEN STOP IN ON FRIDAY IF YOU WANT. BUT HER LAST DAY WILL BE FRIDAY. WE DO HAVE A TRANSITION PLAN IN PLACE, SO WE'LL WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING COVERED DURING THE TRANSITIONING AND SECURING OUR NEXT COMMUNICATION MANAGER. SO OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OH GO AHEAD. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CAROL. THE THE CHERRY STREET. HOW ARE WE COMING ALONG. WILL THAT BE IS THAT COMPLETED OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO CONTINUE AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR? AND WILL IT BE ABLE TO STAY OPEN PAST THE HOLIDAY. 
          SORRY. YEAH. SO THE CHERRY STREET IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, WE BROKE THAT INTO THREE PHASES. 
          THE FIRST PHASE WAS KIND OF ON CHERRY STREET FROM THE RAILROAD TRACKS UP TO LAKEVIEW DRIVE. 
          THE SECOND PHASE IS STARTING TODAY, AND THAT'S ON LAKEVIEW DRIVE, WHICH ALLOWS CHERRY STREET TO REMAIN OPEN. AND THEN THE FINAL PHASE IS ON CHERRY STREET FROM LAKEVIEW DRIVE NORTH. SO RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS TO START THAT IN JANUARY. SO WHEN THAT DOES START BACK UP, CHERRY STREET BETWEEN LAKEVIEW AND CERNY LANE WILL BE CLOSED. OKAY. AND MAY I HAVE ONE MORE? AND I'M I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY RACKED YOUR BRAIN AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS. BUT FROM MCCARTHY, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SCOTT SPARK, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED TO BE A MISSING LINK WHEN IT COMES TO CONNECTIVITIES. ANY HOPEFUL? I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT ME ON THE SPOT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PUT JEREMY ON THE SPOT FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR SO MANY YEARS AND I KNOW IT'S VERY NARROW, BUT WITH THE SHUTDOWN OF THE OF THE BRIDGE FOR REPAIRS, ANY HOPE OR ANYTHING. YEAH. SO AT LEAST WITH THAT CONNECTION, SINCE THE UNDERPASS ARE GOING UNDERNEATH, 33 IS GOING TO BE CLOSED PERIODICALLY BASED ON ODOT'S BRIDGE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. WE DID NOT WANT TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A PATH NOW AND THEN OPEN IT UP AND THEN HAVE IT CLOSED. 
          SO I THINK THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL EVENTUALLY TACKLE IN 2028. I KNOW UNDERNEATH ALONG WALDO ROAD, WE HAD ASKED DURING THE, YOU KNOW, DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS TO HEY, CAN WE GET SOME EXTRA ROOM FOR A PATH UNDER THERE? AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT ODOT DID NOT HAVE IN THEIR BUDGET AND WERE UNABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO, MAYBE ALONG THE ROAD, BUT THEN CONNECTING FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF 33 AT THAT LOCATION TO MCCARTHY, WE HAVE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. ONE WOULD REQUIRE A BRIDGE EXTENSION, THE OTHER ONE WOULD REQUIRE INSTALLING A NEW BRIDGE OVER MILL CREEK AND SIGNIFICANT EASEMENTS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL VET OUT THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC COMMISSION AND SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I WOULD SAY AT THE EARLIEST IS PROBABLY 2028, BUT WITH WITH THE BRIDGES IN THE PAST, I'M MAKING UP A NUMBER HERE, BUT WE'RE TALKING $1 MILLION PLUS, SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT AT THAT TIME. SO WE'LL WORK WITH BRAD AND HIS TEAM TO BE ABLE TO FIND THAT. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT, BUT THE TIMING HAS NOT WORKED OUT THE BEST WITH THE UPCOMING IMPROVEMENTS TO 33. 
          OKAY. WELL, AT LEAST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR KEEPING IT. IN FRONT OF THE MAYBE POSSIBILITIES. BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED, IF AND WHEN WE EVER GET CHERRY STREET CONNECTED BETWEEN SCOTTSBURG OUT THERE AS WELL AS MCCARTHY, THAT'S REALLY THE MISSING LINK. ONE OF THE MISSING LINKS. THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE FOR SURE. SO THAT THAT WILL THAT WILL DEFINITELY REMAIN A PRIORITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. HEIDI OKAY. THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THE ONLY ONE ADDITION I'LL MAKE, JEREMY, IS THAT COULD YOU SEND A LEAF? THE STREET SWEEPER DOWN CEDAR STREET, PLEASE? AND A SOMEONE TO PICK UP LEAVES DOWN CEDAR STREET, PLEASE. I'VE BEEN NOTIFIED. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          HEARING NONE. NO MORE. REPORT OF CLERK OF COUNCIL. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY. THANK YOU. 
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HEARING OF CITIZENS. THIS IS WHERE ANY CITIZEN HAS UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON ANY 
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TOPIC THAT'S NOT RELATED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SEEING A MAD DASH TO THE PODIUM OR JUST MOVE ON FROM THAT TOPIC BEHAVIOR, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO. 
          YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. LESLIE PHILLIPS, 235 SOUTH VINE STREET. THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION WAS THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING THIS THING TODAY, AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU DO ADDRESS IT IN A POSITIVE, THE PAYMENT OF YOUR EMPLOYEES. BUT MY COMMENTS WERE MOSTLY RELATED TO THE BEHAVIOR OF CITY COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. IT SEEMED TO ME THAT SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF ARGUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH EMPLOYEE PAYMENT MAY BE ROOTED IN OTHER THINGS. I HEARD NEGATIVE COMMENTS AND WAS DISAPPOINTED BY THE LENGTH OF THAT MEETING, AND ALSO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT MEETING. IT MADE IT SEEM THAT EMPLOYEES WERE SECONDARY CONSIDERATION TO BUDGETING, WHICH AS A PERSON WHO LIVES PRETTY MUCH PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK. I WOULD. ASK YOU TO THINK OF YOUR EMPLOYEES AS A MOST VALUED RESOURCE. I'M GLAD YOU'RE PUTTING THIS TO A VOTE TODAY, BUT I HOPE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO CONSIDERATION OF YOUR EMPLOYEES THAT YOU THINK OF THEM FIRST, YOU RELY ON THEM. YOU HAVE ALL THE REASONS IN THE WORLD TO REWARD THEM FOR THEIR GOOD WORK. AND THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS THAT I HEARD COME OUT OF THAT MEETING FELT DISINGENUOUS. IT MADE IT SEEM LIKE THEY WERE SECONDARY TO. 
          ONCE, AS OPPOSED TO NEEDS. AND I HOPE I NEVER SEE THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR AGAIN. I PROBABLY WILL, I'LL BE HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE LONGER AT LEAST, BUT PLEASE THINK OF YOUR EMPLOYEES AS VALUED MEMBERS OF SOCIETY HELPING YOU GUYS. THEY ALL DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY COURTEOUS TO ME IN MOST CASES. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? HEARING 
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NONE. REPORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MR. PHILLIPS. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS, JUST ONE ITEM AND THAT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 411 IS ON FRIDAY. 
          I KNOW A NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GOING AND THANK YOU FOR DOING. I THINK WE HAVE OVER 700 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE COMING FROM THE REGION WITH MANY DIFFERENT SESSIONS. WE DO HAVE TED CARTER, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY, GOING TO SPEAK, AND HE'S GOING TO BE THE KEYNOTE ACTUALLY, AS PART OF THAT SESSION. BUT IT REALLY IS 15 YEARS SINCE WE STARTED THIS, THIS JOBS OHIO ONE COLUMBUS EFFORTS. SO WE'RE CELEBRATING 15 YEARS OF THE COLLABORATION AND PARTNERSHIP AMONG THE REGION LEADERS, REGIONAL LEADERS. BUT THERE WILL BE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR LEADERS THERE, BUT OVER 700 OF THE LARGEST TENANTS WE'VE EVER HAD THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION. BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT EVENT ON FRIDAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PHILLIPS? I WOULD ONLY ADD ERIC NEVER GIVES HIMSELF CREDIT, BUT HE WAS ONE OF THE KEY PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT OF THIS EVENT EARLY ON. AM I CORRECT THERE, ERIC? YEAH. I MEAN, STATES LIKE TENNESSEE AND GEORGIA REQUIRE EVERY PUBLIC OFFICIAL TO HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COURSE WHEN THEY GET ELECTED, JUST TO TEACH THEM ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE NEVER HAD THAT HERE. SO THE WHOLE GAME PLAN WAS TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE EDUCATION TO ELECTED LEADERS, AS WELL AS PRIVATE SECTOR LEADERS TO UNDERSTAND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND KENNY MACDONALD WAS INVOLVED. MATT MCQUAID WAS INVOLVED. WHO'S SITTING BACK HERE AS WELL WHEN THAT WAS STARTED 15 YEARS AGO. SO YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU. PARKS AND RECREATION REPORT. YES. SO 
          [ PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION REPORT]
THERE'S A LITTLE MORE THAN OUR LAST MEETING SINCE WE HAD A MEETING LAST MONTH. BUT WE RECEIVED UPDATES. SO IN ALDERSGATE PARK WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE MATERIALS FOR THE NEW RESTROOM OR THE RESTROOM THERE. THERE'S A SIX MONTH LEAD TIME ON SOME OF THAT, SO IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO GET THAT STARTED. THE CLEARING OF THE PATH CONNECTION FROM THE BOY SCOUT POND TO THE VISION DEVELOPMENT HAS STARTED IN THAT AREA. THE PATH CONNECTING CHESTNUT STREET TO THE WOODSIDE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN PAVED. THE SKATE PARK HAS BEEN REPAIRED, THE BASKETBALL COURT AT MCCARTHY PARK, THE REHABILITATION THAT'S GOING ON FOR THAT IS ON HOLD UNTIL THAT CONSTRUCTION THERE ON CHERRY STREET IS FINISHED UP, SO WE'RE 
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WAITING FOR THAT TO OCCUR. THE ENTRY PARKING LOT AND PORTIONS OF THE PATH WERE PAVED AT SCOTT FAMILY PARK. IN REGARDS TO CARYVILLE, THERE WERE 2.8 THOUSAND VISITORS, SO IT WAS A VERY GOOD ATTENDED EVENT, AND IT WAS NOTED THAT THE LONGER HOURS WERE VERY HELPFUL FOR THAT. AND THERE'S A LOOK TO GET KIND OF MORE ACTIVITIES AND THINGS TO DO NEXT TIME AROUND. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE IMPROVING ON THAT, AND I KNOW THE HOURS ARE A BIG HELP IN REGARDS TO OUR AGENDA ITEMS FOR PARKS AND REC. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON THE E-BIKE SCOOTER POLICY. THE POLICY FOR NAMING PUBLIC PROPERTIES HAD DRAFT COPIES OF THAT POLICY, AND THE PERMITS WERE HANDED OUT FOR THAT. SO THE DISCUSSION OCCURRED, AND THERE'S A VOTE EXPECTED AT THIS MONTH'S MEETING. THE THERE WAS ALSO A DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC PARKING AT LEWIS PARK. SO A MANAGER OF A NEARBY APARTMENT COMPLEX HAD REACHED OUT ABOUT OVERNIGHT PARKING AT LEWIS PARK. 
          ON THOSE END SPOTS CLOSEST TO THE STREET, AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT REQUEST BY THE COMMISSION. AND THEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 16TH AT 6 P.M. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER WOLFE? HEARING? NONE. 
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THANK YOU. ORDINANCE A THIRD READING VOTE TO AMEND ORDINANCE ZERO 112 2025 ANNUAL COMPENSATION FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES 2026 ADMINISTRATION. NOTHING FURTHER UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCIL. QUESTIONS. OKAY, I'LL LET MISTER GO. FIRST QUESTION AT THE LAST MEETING RELATED TO THE JUDGE, THE JUDGE'S BUDGET REQUEST. I MEAN, WHAT WE HAD IN WRITING WAS 27 PAY PERIODS. THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT HE HAD MENTIONED, MAYBE DOING 26. DID WE HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING THAT SUPPORTS THAT? WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING. 
          BUT I SPOKE TO THE JUDGE EVEN AS LATE AS THIS PAST WEEKEND, ENTERING INTO THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY, HE WILL, DEPENDING ON WHAT TAKES PLACE, HE WILL RULE TO TO PAY THE 27 PAYS AND NOT FOLLOW THE AMENDED LEGISLATION. THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. AND THEN I HAD ALSO A QUESTION I THINK WE HEARD LAST WEEK ABOUT SOME. DISPARITY BETWEEN EXEMPT AND NONEXEMPT. AND AND I WAS CURIOUS ON THE POLICE AND FIRE SIDE, YOU KNOW, AS WE SEE PEOPLE, I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE THAT COULD BE RETIRING IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT OF THIS TO FILLING A POSITION LIKE A BATTALION CHIEF OR A POLICE CAPTAIN? I THINK H.R. HAD POINTED OUT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WHAT THIS DOES IS EFFECTIVELY COMPRESSES THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR FIRST LINE SUPERVISORS AND THE POLICE WORLD, THAT SERGEANTS AND CAPTAINS, WHICH IS OUR FIRST LEVEL OF OUR COMMAND STAFF, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 10%. THIS WILL COMPRESS THAT WHAT IT COULD HAPPEN. AS I FORECAST OUT WITH RETIREMENTS, IS THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE HOURLY, NOT SALARY. SALARY FOLKS MAY BE LESS LIKELY TO PUT IN FOR THOSE PROMOTIONS IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE LESS IN THIS PROMOTED POSITION. SO THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE. ON THE FIRE SIDE. SO OUR EXEMPT POSITIONS WILL BE THE BATTALION CHIEF. YEAH, WOULD BE THE BATTALION CHIEF. AND THEN THE LIEUTENANT WOULD BE BELOW THE BATTALION CHIEF. AND CURRENTLY IT'S AT 6.9%. IS THAT DIFFERENCE? THIS WOULD COMPRESS IT DOWN TO 3.05. SO GIVEN THAT LIEUTENANT SAY HE WERE TO WORK AT LEAST THREE OVERTIME SHIFTS, WHICH IS COMMON IN A CALENDAR YEAR, HE WOULD BE MAKING MORE THAN HIS SUPERVISOR. AND THEN AS WE GO TO FILL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PENDING, YOU KNOW, OR ANY RETIREMENTS COMING UP. IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED THAT IT DOESN'T ISN'T VERY APPETIZING TO TO PROMOTE UP TO THAT LEVEL, GIVEN THAT COMPRESSION. AND THEN I GUESS GIVEN THE JUDGE'S. 
          DIRECTION ON PAYING 27 PAY PERIODS, DO WE NEED TO ADJUST THAT? DO WE NEED TO AMEND? TIM. 
          NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. IF THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A ISN'T THERE A NOTE ON THE 
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LEGISLATION, EVEN AS AMENDED, THAT SPEAKS TO THE JUDGE'S PREROGATIVE? THERE IS. RIGHT. 
          YEAH. YEAH. SO NO IT WOULD NOT NEED TO BE AMENDED AGAIN. IT SAYS HERE UNDER COURT, UNDERNEATH THE COURT, MUNICIPAL COURT, MAGISTRATE LINE. IT SAYS WITH A LITTLE ASTERISK COURT WAGES, COLON. THE JUDGE RESERVES THE RIGHT TO VARY WAGES FROM THE CURRENT ABOVE LISTED WAGES DURING THE FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I GUESS THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST ADD IS, YOU KNOW, I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PAY RANGES, THE AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING A 4% RAISE THIS YEAR, EXCEPT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TAKING AWAY 3.7%. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THAT PAY SCALE AND THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THESE POSITIONS, MOST OF THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PAYCHECK THAT'S $3 OR 6 OR $7 MORE. AND, YOU KNOW, IS I GUESS THAT QUESTION IS, IS IT $1.50 A WEEK, REALLY A 4% RAISE? AND AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AND I, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD CONSIDER UNDOING THE AMENDMENT. 
          I KNOW YOU HAD A COMMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, IF I MAY? I MADE A REQUEST LAST MONDAY AND I KNOW SHORT WEEK. YEAH. SO I, I KNOW THAT I DIDN'T GET ANY FEEDBACK AND YOU KNOW. I HAD ASKED ABOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF BECAUSE ORC. CAN EITHER PULL FORWARD OR PUSH THE PAYMENT TO THE NEXT WORKING DAY IN THE EVENT THAT YOUR PAY PERIOD FALLS ON A HOLIDAY. 
          RIGHT? SO MY MY ASK, LAST MONDAY WAS WOULD A MIDDLE GROUND BE MOVING THE THE PAY PERIOD FROM THE 30TH OF DECEMBER TO THE 4TH OF JANUARY 2027? AND THEN I HAD ASKED TO CONSIDER ESTABLISHING A BOARD, A REVIEW BOARD, TO KIND OF LOOK AT OUR HOLISTIC PAYROLL STRUCTURE CYCLE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FUTURE COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE 2027 BUDGET PREPARATIONS. SO I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME POTENTIAL CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE TO THE UNION THAT WERE BEING INVESTIGATED OR VETTED. SO I'D LIKE TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE ABLE, WHAT THE FEASIBILITY IS TO KIND OF FINDING THAT MIDDLE GROUND AND POTENTIALLY SHIFTING. RIGHT. AND IF WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO. DO THAT FULL DUE DILIGENCE, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO YET AGAIN TABLE THIS VOTE UNTIL WE HAVE ALL OF OUR. DUE DILIGENCE SET AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. I THINK THE THE KEY ITEM IN YOUR REQUEST IS THE TIME TO TO MEET WITH THE THE UNION UNION GROUPS IN BOTH POLICE AND FIRE TO TO SEEK AN OPPORTUNITY THERE OR WILLINGNESS. THE YOU KNOW WE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE A MEETING ONE MONDAY AND THEN A THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY AND THEN ANOTHER MEETING, YOU KNOW, ONE WEEK LATER. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED IF TO TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER NOW THAT WE HAVE MORE TIME. AND BUT I'M, I'M OPEN YOU KNOW EITHER WAY SO. COULD WE COULD WE HAVE SOMETHING READY BY THE NEXT MEETING. DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT? TARA, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? IS TO BE ABLE TO TURN SOMETHING AROUND THAT QUICKLY. AND YEAH, WE WE CAN DEFINITELY MEET WITH THEM AND SPEAK WITH THEM AND SEE I WILL TELL YOU, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PAST PRACTICE THAT USUALLY TAKES A PRECEDENCE. SO GETTING THEM TO KIND OF GAIN CONSENSUS MAY BE DIFFICULT. AND I HATE TO PUT THAT IN THE HANDS OF THE UNION WHEN THIS NECESSARILY DOES NOT AFFECT THEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW WILLING THEY ARE TO, YOU KNOW, MANEUVER THAT. ALSO, JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THIS DOES DELAY THE PROBLEM AND PUSHES IT OUT TO A NEW BUDGET YEAR AND HAS A 
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BIGGER IMPACT ON THAT BUDGET IT DOES INCREASE INTO 2027. SO I KNOW THIS IS PART OF THE BALANCED BUDGET. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT PUSHING IT AT 2027, WE COULD HAVE A WHOLE NEW SET OF ISSUES THAT WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO EVEN GAINING THE UNION CONSENSUS AT THAT POINT, IT MAY CAUSE A FEW MORE ISSUES AT SOME CERTAIN STAGES. SO IS THERE ANY SCHEDULING ISSUE THAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM GIVING US A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO TO GET THAT FIGURED OUT, WE'D HAVE TO PASS IT AS AN EMERGENCY. IF YOU WANT AN EFFECTIVE FIRST OF THE YEAR. I MOVE, WE TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING. COMMENTS. JUST A QUESTION. IF IF WE HAVE TO PASS THAT AS AN EMERGENCY, HOW MANY VOTES IS THAT GOING TO TAKE? YOU HAVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO ADD THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE. IT WOULD TAKE FOUR VOTES TO AMEND IT. OKAY. SO A MATTER OF SOMEONE BEING ABSENT IN THE NEXT MEETING WOULDN'T IMPACT THAT ABILITY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THEN YOU'D HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO SECOND READING AND WAIT FOR THIRD. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, SO THE AMENDMENT IS IS TO POSTPONE IT UNTIL. THAT AMENDMENT. JUST A MOTION I'M SORRY. MOTION TO TABLE. OKAY. SO ROLL CALL MR. HUNTER. YES. 
          MR. REAMES YES, MISS CRAMER. YES. MR. BORDNER. YES. MR. WOLFF. YES. MR. BURBY NO. MR. BURGER YES. PASSES AND THIS WILL BE TABLED FOR THE THIRD READING ON DECEMBER 15TH. 
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ORDINANCE B, THIRD READING VOTE TO APPROVE THE EXECUTION OF A COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE AND ANNA DONNA, LLC AND A DONATION AGREEMENT AMONG THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION FOR THE MARYSVILLE EXEMPTED VILLAGE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION OF THE OHIO HIGH POINT TECHNICAL AND CAREER CAREER CENTER SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT CORPORATION OF UNION COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. YES. I'M GOING TO DEFER MY COMMENTS TO ROB BEELER, WHO'S HERE WITH US TONIGHT. AND I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN REGARD REGARDING POWER AND SUPPLIES. SO, ROB, IF YOU DON'T MIND BRIEFING EVERYBODY ON SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP. SO THAT'D BE AWESOME. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROB BEELER FROM OHIO. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AES OHIO PROCESS. OHIO IS OBLIGATED TO SERVE ALL THE CUSTOMERS IN OUR SERVICE AREA, AND WE SEEK TO DO SO WHILE FOCUSED ON CUSTOMERS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF RELIABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY. ELECTRIC RATES CAN BE BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE COMPONENTS. THE GENERATION WHICH IS PRODUCING THE ELECTRICITY TRANSMISSION, WHICH IS TRANSMITTING ELECTRICITY OVER A LONG DISTANCE. AND THIRD IS THE DISTRIBUTION PIECE WHICH IS TRANSMITTING DELIVERING TO HOMES AND BUSINESSES. RIGHT. 
          THE LAST MILE, IF YOU WILL, AS OHIO DOES NOT OWN GENERATION, OUR CUSTOMERS PURCHASE GENERATION SEPARATELY FROM A COMPETITIVE RETAIL ELECTRIC SUPPLIER. AS OHIO IS A TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION COMPANY PROVIDER IN MARYSVILLE, UNION COUNTY, SERVING OVER 530,000 CUSTOMERS, TOUCHING 24 COUNTIES IN OHIO. THE REVENUE WE COLLECT THROUGH OUR RATES ALLOWS THE UTILITY TO RECOVER THE INVESTMENTS IN OUR SYSTEM THAT BENEFIT THE ENTIRE TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM THAT WE THAT WE MAINTAIN, INCLUDING A REGULATED RATE OF RETURN. THIS PROCESS IS OVERSEEN BY OUR REGULATORS, THE FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY COMMISSION, OR FERC, FOR TRANSMISSION RATES, AND THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION OF OHIO FOR DISTRIBUTION RATES. THOSE RATES ARE CURRENTLY AMONG THE LOWEST IN THE STATE OF OHIO. 
          THE UTILITY REVENUE THAT WE COLLECT IS THE NUMERATOR DIVIDED BY THE USAGE OR THE KWH ACROSS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OR THE DENOMINATOR. TO DETERMINE THE PRICE PER KWH FOR NEW OR 
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EXPANDING CUSTOMERS, THE COST TO EXTEND A TRANSMISSION LINE TO A CUSTOMER IS PAID BY THE CUSTOMER, AND NOT INCLUDED IN THE UTILITY. REVENUE COLLECTED FROM ALL CUSTOMERS THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE TRANSMISSION LINES GOING TO THE CUSTOMERS, RIGHT? SO THE TRANSMISSION LINES TO A CUSTOMER WOULD BE PAID BY THE CUSTOMER, WHICH IS OFTEN THE CASE WITH A LARGE DATA CENTER LOAD, BECAUSE THEY WOULD RECEIVE A TRANSMISSION RELATED SERVICE. THE INVESTMENTS TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY AVAILABLE ON THE ENTIRE GRID ARE COLLECTED FROM ALL CUSTOMERS, AS ALL CUSTOMERS WILL BENEFIT FROM THOSE INVESTMENTS IN TERMS OF CAPACITY AND RELIABILITY ON THE SYSTEM. WHILE LARGE LOAD REQUESTS MAY REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT UTILITY INVESTMENT, THEY ALSO BRING SIGNIFICANT USAGE. IN FACT, IN MANY CASES REVIEWED BY AES OHIO IN ITS SERVICE TERRITORY, LARGE LOADS HAVE A FAVORABLE IMPACT ON THE TRANSMISSION PORTION OF THE AES OHIO BILL. THIS MEANS THAT FUTURE TRANSMISSION RATES WILL BE MAINTAINED OR LOWERED VERSUS ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT NOT BEING BUILT. AT AES OHIO. THE ENGINEERING TEAM WILL PERFORM DETAILED REVIEWS AND CREATE AN INITIAL PLAN TO SERVE. HOW DO WE GET ELECTRIC TO THAT CUSTOMER? ALL LARGE LOAD REQUESTS ARE REVIEWED BY THE UTILITY TO UNDERSTAND ONE THE CAPACITY AVAILABLE. TWO THE INVESTMENTS REQUIRED POTENTIAL INVESTMENTS REQUIRED TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY TO SERVE THE CUSTOMER, AND THREE THE IMPACT ON THE RATES FROM THOSE INVESTMENTS OR THAT WOULD BE PAID BY ALL CUSTOMERS. THE UTILITY CONDUCTS A FORMAL SYSTEM IMPACT STUDY TO CONFIRM WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SERVE THE CUSTOMER REQUEST. IF THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO SERVE, THEN THE UTILITY IDENTIFIES THE INVESTMENTS REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THAT LOAD. SO FINALLY, GENERAL NETWORK UPGRADES THAT BENEFIT ALL CUSTOMERS ARE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE ENTIRE AES OHIO SERVICE TERRITORY, ENSURING THAT ALL AES OHIO CUSTOMERS PAY THE SAME RATES AND BENEFITS OF A PARTICULAR NEW LARGE LOAD TO PAYBACK FOR THAT INVESTMENT, WHICH WILL ACCRUE TO ALL AES OHIO CUSTOMERS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT CAPACITY AVAILABLE OR THE POTENTIAL ABOUT THE PROCESS ABOUT THE RATE IMPACT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT AT ANY TIME TO YOU, TO THE TO THE UTILITY. HAPPY TO DISCUSS. BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY FROM THAT PODIUM. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A BIG AREA. YOU KNOW, THAT I HAD CONCERNS. AND YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE TONIGHT. YOU'RE WELCOME. IT'S OFTEN A CONCERN WE HEAR. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. SO AS YOU KNOW WE THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE IS GOING ON A MAYBE DIFFERENT PATH MOVING FORWARD. YEAH. WE HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO AMAZON. WE HAVE OTHER DATA CENTERS WHICH DO REQUIRE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT WITHOUT PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT. YEAH. THERE WAS AN EXPLANATION ABOUT A MONTH OR SIX WEEKS AGO. AND THE REPORT THAT I READ THAT THERE MAY BE A TRANSFORMER TO BE PLACED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN OR ALONG THE MARYSVILLE RAILROAD AND INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST PUT OUT AND SAY IT'S A POSSIBILITY, OR HOW HOW MUCH DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT? IT'S A FAIR QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT WHERE THAT TRANSFORMER WOULD BE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT EXTENDING A TRANSMISSION LINE IS REALLY JUST DELIVERING THE SERVICE TO THE CUSTOMER, AND WOULD NOT INVOLVE A TRANSFORMER AT ALL. OKAY, BECAUSE WE WOULD JUST EXTEND THE LINE TO THE CUSTOMER, AND THEN THEY WOULD DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT. WITH THE ONE THAT IS COMMITTED, YEAH. WITH THE EXISTING ONE THAT'S BEEN COMMITTED, THE AMAZON AMAZON THAT'S COMMITTED AND OTHER ONES THAT MAY FOLLOW SUIT. AGAIN YOU YOU IT IS IS OUR AVAILABILITY OF ELECTRICITY SUFFICIENT TO INCLUDE THOSE. OR CAN YOU SEE THAT THOSE MAY NEED TO HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSFORMER TO 
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PROVIDE POWER FOR THEM. YEAH IT'S A FAIR QUESTION. AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT A FORMAL SYSTEM IMPACT STUDY, TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPACITY OF THE LINE, YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CAPACITY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE LINE OF SERVICE. SO IF YOU START AT THE TRANSMISSION LINE AND THE CAPACITY ON THE TRANSMISSION LINE, AND THEN IT'S TRANSFORMED DOWN TO AT A SUBSTATION TO A LOWER VOLTAGE. SO YOU HAVE NOW A CONSTRICTING VARIABLE BEFORE YOU HAVE CAPACITY GOING OUT ON THE ROADS AND THINGS THAT YOU HAVE HERE WHERE YOU HAVE LESS CAPACITY AVAILABLE. YEAH. SO IN EVERY CASE THAT WE LOOK AT FOR LARGE LOAD REQUESTS, WE LOOK TO SEE IS THERE ENOUGH CAPACITY ON THE LINE TO GO. AND WE ALSO PROJECT FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR FOR WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO. OUR PLANNING TEAM LOOKS AT THAT CONSTANTLY. WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SERVE, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT KEEPING YOUR LIGHTS ON. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY ROLLING BLACKOUTS. WE LOOK AT THIS FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT. OUR CURRENT PROJECTION IS CAPACITY, OKAY. AND OF COURSE THE THE BIG THE BIG QUESTION IS FOR THE RESIDENTS. YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THAT THAT HAS ALWAYS ALL MY YEARS ON COUNCIL BEEN THE QUESTION. YEAH. IS NEW BUILD PAYING FOR ITSELF OR IS THE EXISTING PAYING FOR THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE NEW BUILDS NEED. YEAH. GOOD QUESTION AGAIN. SO I'LL SPEAK TO THE THE PROJECT AT HAND. THAT REQUIRES A TRANSMISSION INVESTMENT FROM US. AND AS I MENTIONED HERE FIRST THE CUSTOMER WILL PAY FOR THE LINE THAT GOES TO THEM. SO THAT COST IS NOT SOCIALIZED AMONG OTHER CUSTOMERS. AND SECOND, ANY COSTS TO IMPROVE THE OVERALL ARE SUBJECT TO THE CUSTOMERS. BUT IN EVERY CASE THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY OVERSEEN, THE RATES WILL BE AT OR LOWER THAN THEY ARE NOW ON THE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. YEP. THANK YOU. 
          QUESTION. NO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING UP I DO. WATER ELECTRIC NOISE, ESTHETICS, HOME VALUES. IT'S ALL BEEN PART OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW MONTHS WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, THIS, THIS PROCESS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OR BRINGING THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE ADDRESSING THE ELECTRIC CONCERN, I GUESS THE ONE MAYBE CLARIFICATION POINT THAT I WOULD ASK IS AS YOU AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU WERE REFERRING TO THIS PROJECT AND THE SYSTEM IMPACT STUDY PROJECTS, FUTURE GROWTH, RIGHT? AS YOU'RE EVALUATING YOUR CAPACITY AND YOUR INVESTMENT, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE PROJECTED GROWTH RATE THAT WAS USED IN THE SYSTEM IMPACT STUDY THAT WAS THAT WAS CONDUCTED, THE USAGE GROWTH, GROWTH RATE? WELL, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW. THE ELECTRIC WORLD WORKS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO WHEN YOU MENTIONED THERE'S A SYSTEM IMPACT STUDY AND YOU LOOKED AT COST, CAPACITY AND RATES, BUT YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, YOU EVALUATED FUTURE GROWTH OR TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION FUTURE GROWTH WHEN EVALUATING THE SECOND C CAPACITY. I WAS JUST INTERESTED IN WHAT WHAT WAS USED IN TERMS OF LIKE YOUR YOUR GROWTH RATE FOR. YEAH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE RATE SPECIFICALLY. 
          OUR ENGINEERING TEAM LOOKS AT WHAT THEY EXPECT THE USAGE ON THERE TO BE SO THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DELIVER THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT WE EXPECT TO REQUIRE. AND QUITE HONESTLY, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE CHALLENGE WITH DATA CENTERS IN THE INDUSTRY, IS THAT THE GROWTH RATE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE FORECASTED, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT PUTS A LOT MORE PRESSURE ON THE UTILITY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND AS OHIO WATCHES THAT CLOSELY, WE TAKE OUR ROLE VERY SERIOUSLY. WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A CAPACITY TO SERVE THAT GOING FORWARD. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT THAT COMMENT AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT KIND OF PLAYS INTO MR. WOLFE'S CONCERNS IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE CONTROL OR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SET OUR HIGH MEN MEDIAN DATA CENTER. FOOTPRINT. AND SPECIFICALLY, I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO TO UNION 
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COUNTY. SO I'M SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF ELECTRIC CAPACITY AS WELL AS THE FUTURE. AND, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE AS A COUNCIL HELP FACILITATE OR MODERATE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT FUTURE GROWTH, RIGHT? I COMPLETELY AGREE. I THINK WE SOLVED THAT PROBLEM WITH SOLID COMMUNICATION. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE PROJECTS COMING IN, WHEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE ADDRESS THEM, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE AND THE UTILITY REALLY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CUSTOMERS, FROM COMMUNITIES WHAT GROWTH THEY EXPECT, WHERE THEY'RE EXPECTING THAT TO BE. AND WE CAN PLAN FOR THAT GROWTH AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE. SO I CANNOT TELL YOU THAT WE WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SERVE EVERY FUTURE DATA CENTER THAT MAY WANT TO COME TO YOUR COMMUNITY. WE TACKLE THESE IN ORDER THAT THEY'RE RECEIVED. 
          AND WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IS CAPACITY TO SERVE THOSE. AND I CANNOT COMMIT TO ANY OTHER CAPACITY BEYOND THAT. BUT WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ARE. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION. SO I WANT TO YOU SAID A LOT OF THINGS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN ANALOGY. SO MY MOM'S HOME THAT I GREW UP IN, IT WAS BUILT IN THE LATE 70S AND IT HAD A 100 AMP SERVICE, AND WE DID. I DIDN'T GROW UP WITH AIR CONDITIONING UNTIL, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETIME IN HIGH SCHOOL. 
          SO MY THAT HOME AS APPLIANCES WERE ADDED AS WATER HEATER SIZES WERE THE ENLARGED. YOU STARTED TO SEE THE LIGHTS GO DIM WHEN WHEN THE AIR CONDITIONER WOULD KICK ON WHEN WE FINALLY DID GET IT. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND TELL ME WHERE THIS ANALOGY BREAKS DOWN BECAUSE IT PROBABLY WILL. BUT HAD THE HOME BEEN BUILT WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT AN AIR CONDITIONER WAS GOING TO BE ONLINE, THAT A WATER HEATER WAS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 60 GALLONS INSTEAD OF 30 GALLONS, THAT THE STOVE WAS GOING TO BE A NICE ELECTRIC STOVE VERSUS MAYBE ONE THAT THEY HAD PUT IN THE 70S. HAD THAT HOME BEEN BUILT WITH THAT IT WOULD HAVE LIKELY BEEN SPECKED WITH 100 AMP OR, SORRY, 200 AMP OR, YOU KNOW, A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHEREAS IT WAS BUILT WITH A 100 AMP SERVICE AND THE ABILITY TO THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH UPGRADING THAT 100 AMP SERVICE NOW TO 200 OR WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE APPLIANCES IS GOING TO COST ME A LOT MORE MONEY. IT'S GOING TO BE ADDED PATCHWORK TO THE ELECTRICAL GRID IN THAT HOUSE. BUT IF IT HAD BEEN BUILT WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT HIGHER COST BOX UP FRONT AND THAT CAPACITY EXISTED, I WOULDN'T HAVE MY LIGHTS DIMMING WHEN MY AIR CONDITIONING GOES ON. I. IS THERE A BIT OF AN ANALOGY BETWEEN WHAT I'M DESCRIBING AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IN TERMS OF THE ADDED COST THAT IF YOU HAVE, I THINK YOU SAID LIKE THERE'S THIS KNOWN SOURCE THAT'S GOING TO USE THIS. IT MAKES YOUR TRANSMISSION DISTRIBUTION ABILITY MORE STABLE, MORE SO THE UTILITY PLANS FOR THE PEAK. SO, YOU KNOW, THE USAGE IS NOT ALWAYS AT ITS MAX USAGE ALL THE TIME. WHEN THE AIR CONDITIONER CAME ON YOU WERE APPROACHING THE PEAK. AND THAT'S WHEN YOUR LIGHTS MAY HAVE DIMMED A BIT BECAUSE OF THAT. SO THE UTILITY KEEPS THAT IN MIND IN TERMS OF HOW WE PLAN. THEY THE ENGINEERS DON'T LIKE TO GO ABOVE 90% OF CAPACITY AT ANY POINT. AND WE'RE DOING THAT AT OUR PEAK TIME THROUGH THE SUMMER, GENERALLY IN THE SUMMER. ALSO HERE IN OHIO, WE DO HAVE SOME PEAK TIMES IN JANUARY AND THE SUPER COLD WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF ELECTRIC HEAT AS WELL. SO I FIND THAT FROM YOUR ANALOGY, THAT A LOT OF THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE NEARING THE PEAK OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN ADDITIONAL ELECTRIC COMES ON AND ALL THAT LOAD COLLECTIVELY APPROACHES 100 AMP MINIMUM. SO IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE CAPACITY ON THE SYSTEM SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. AND TO ME, THAT POINT OF LIKE PLANNING FOR THE CAPACITY ON THE SYSTEM, I THINK IT'S LIKE IF YOU KNOW, THAT BIG USER IS GOING TO BE THERE, THEN YOU CAN PLAN ADEQUATELY, RIGHT? WHEREAS IN MY CASE, IT WASN'T IT WASN'T PLANNED ADEQUATELY. AND THEN THEREFORE NOW WE'RE SHE'S FACED WITH A LARGE FEE OF UPGRADING HER SERVICE. SO OR THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED AS WELL. RIGHT. A LOT OF NEWER TECHNOLOGY AIR CONDITIONERS WILL RAMP UP OVER TIME RATHER THAN JUST TURN ON AND HAVE A VERY HARD DRAW ON THE ELECTRIC THAT MIGHT CAUSE THE LIGHTS TO THEM. AND IF THEY CAN VARIABLE SPEED TO RAMP THAT UP, THEN YOU CAN AVOID THAT AS WELL, WHICH I WOULD ARGUE THE TECHNOLOGY JUST CONTINUES TO IMPROVE EACH AND EVERY DAY. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ENTERTAINING THAT. SURE APPRECIATE THE TIME. YEAH. GO AHEAD, MR. BURBY. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND AND I, I KNOW THAT I'M MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS OKAY. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE STILL REMEMBER YOU AS DPL, EVEN 
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THOUGH YOU'RE STILL ANSWER TO THAT. YOU'RE STILL. YEAH. IF YOU'RE IN SALES, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY CALL YOU, AS LONG AS THEY CALL YOU, BUT YOU ALSO COVER A PORTION OF DAYTON AND YOU COVER A WHOLE REGION ON THE WEST SIDE. OKAY. SO AS YOU CONTINUE TO SEE THE GROWTH AND THE CONTINUAL DEMAND, WHAT WHAT IS YOUR ARE YOU WAITING UNTIL THE DEMAND IS GOING TO COME AT YOUR KNOCKING AT YOUR DOOR, OR ARE YOU PUTTING IN ASSUMPTIONS? THAT IS ONE QUESTION. THE OTHER QUESTION IS AND YOU MENTIONED YOU ALLUDED TO THE WORD BROWNOUTS. NOW, PERSONALLY, I HAVE NOT SEEN A BROWNOUT FOR ALMOST TEN, 15 YEARS. IT'S BEEN A GOOD NUMBER OF YEARS. YEAH. 
          AND PART OF THE REASON OF THAT IS THAT CURRENTLY WE, WE PEOPLE MAY MAY FROWN ON ALTERNATIVE SOURCES, BUT 16% OF OUR ELECTRIC ELECTRICITY THAT'S BEING PRODUCED IS ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. YEAH. SO WHETHER IT BE SOLAR PANELS, WHETHER IT BE WIND OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S ABOUT 16. SO GIVEN THAT 13 TO 16% ADDITIONAL BUMP HAS PUT US IN A GOOD POSITION, BUT FREQUENTLY PEOPLE ARE MENTIONING THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE ARE GOING TO RUN OUT. 
          AND IS THAT SPECULATION? IS THAT FEAR MONGERING OR WHAT? WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? YEAH, A GOOD QUESTION. SO WE DON'T BUILD FOR SPECULATION, BUT WE BUILD TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM FOR RELIABILITY AND CAPACITY. SO AS WE HAVE LOOKED TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION FOR GROWTH, WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THAT AND AND CONTINUE TO INVEST IN OUR SYSTEM, LOOKING AT SYSTEMS THAT HAVE POOR RELIABILITY, WE WANT TO INVEST THERE TO MAKE THAT LINE STRONGER SO THAT YOU HAVE LESS RELIABILITY ISSUES. THAT'S HELPFUL. THE GROWTH HAS EXCEEDED PROJECTIONS, AND WE'RE NOW AT A POINT WHERE EVERY UTILITY ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS IS SCRAMBLING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE BUILT ENOUGH CAPACITY TO SERVE WHAT WHAT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED BY OUR, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY FOR, FOR ELECTRICITY. SO WE'RE INVESTING AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP. WE LOOK AT EACH PROJECT INDIVIDUALLY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CAPACITY TO SERVE THAT. I CAN IMPROVE ONE AS THEY COME ALONG, NOT GOING TO IMPROVE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEHIND IT, BUT WE APPROVE THEM AS THEY COME ALONG. TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION ABOUT GENERATION, I THINK I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO GENERATION IS REALLY NOT PART OF OUR BUSINESS, BUT I THINK LARGELY MORE GENERATION IS GOOD FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH GENERATION TO SERVE OUR STATE, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR NATION. I THINK GENERATION IS GOOD. AND THEN IT WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO TO THOSE WHO BUILD THAT AND MAINTAIN THAT AS TO LIKE WHAT KIND OF GENERATION IT IS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. MR. JUST ONE QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF DATA CENTERS YOU HAVE WITHIN YOUR SERVICE AREA OR ROUGH ESTIMATE? I MEAN. SO WE HAVE THREE THAT ARE PUBLIC. HOW ABOUT THAT? AND WITH SEVERAL THAT ARE VERY SMALL. SO. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY IS WE TALK ABOUT GREEN ENERGY. 
          I DON'T THINK RESIDENTS OF OUR NOT ONLY OUR CITY, BUT OUR COUNTRY DON'T REALIZE IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU'RE REMOVING GREEN ENERGY OUT OF THE EQUATION FOR POWER IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS REWARDING FOSSIL FUEL COMPANIES AND THEIR PROFITS ARE EXPLODING BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE DAYS ARE NUMBERED, AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AMERICA WITH THE ENERGY NECESSARY. NOW, PEOPLE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH AND WHETHER WE HAVE ENOUGH, BUT THE REALITY IS WE DON'T. AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU INVEST IN YOUR FUTURE, YOU HOLD ON TO, YOU KNOW, THIS MINDSET THAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S ALWAYS BEEN, WILL ALWAYS WILL BE. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ROLLING BLACKOUTS AND ALL THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE THE REST OF THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE HAVE ADDED SOLAR PANELS AND WINDMILLS AND HAVE BECOME BEGAN WORKING ON CLEAN ENERGY INITIATIVES. AND SADLY, IN THE UNITED STATES, WE VALUE PROFITS OVER PEOPLE. AND UNTIL THAT MINDSET CHANGES, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THESE STRUGGLES AND YOUR UTILITY BILLS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO RISE. WHETHER OR NOT DATA CENTERS ARE BUILT IN YOUR COMMUNITY OR NOT, 
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BECAUSE THE REALITY IS, IS RIGHT NOW IT IS PROFITS OVER PEOPLE. AND I JUST HOPE THAT CHANGES IN THE FUTURE FOR ALL OF OUR SAKES. IT'S NOT JUST IN. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, I KNOW PEOPLE ARE SCARED ABOUT THEIR WAGES. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE SCARED ABOUT THE RISING COST, HOUSING, PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE CERTAIN CORPORATIONS BUYING UP ALL THE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IT'S WE LIVE IN DIFFICULT TIMES. SO WE APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOU COMING IN HERE AND COMMUNICATING WITH US AND APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. AND IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS LEGISLATION, I JUST HAVE SOME I JUST HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. SO DON'T BEAT ME WITH THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING OKAY. SO THIS COUNCIL YOU KNOW WE HAVE CREATED OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND AND DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY WITHOUT CREATING AN EQUAL OR GREATER DEMAND FOR HOUSING OR EDUCATION OR EDUCATION. AND THAT IS RARE IN TODAY'S SOCIETY. THIS PROJECT WOULD LEVEL WOULD LEVERAGE INDUSTRIAL ZONE SITE WITH DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES TO CREATE HIGHER PAYING JOBS AND TO EXPAND OUR TAX BASE, HELPING THE CITY TO ADDRESS RISING COSTS WITHOUT RAISING TAXES ON EXISTING RESIDENTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL HAVE STATED WE WANTED AS A COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO BRING INVESTMENT, BRING HIGH PAYING JOBS THAT DOESN'T COST THE TAXPAYER MORE MONEY. THE SCHOOLS, THE SCHOOLS RECENTLY VOTED FOUR ZERO ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN, WHICH IS A ERIC, MR. PHILLIPS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS BRINGING TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? IS IT 15 MILLION? YES, IT'S ONE POINT. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER $1 MILLION A YEAR FOR 15, OVER $1 MILLION A YEAR. NOW, THERE'S ONE THING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DIVERSIFYING JOBS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL CLAIM, AND IT'S TRUE THAT MARYSVILLE WAS A FARMING COMMUNITY AND STILL IS. I WOULD QUESTION IT WOULD I WOULD SAY IT STILL IS. BUT UNION COUNTY IS SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST A FARMING COMMUNITY. 
          WE WERE OLD GERMANS WHO FOUGHT REALLY HARD AND WORKED REALLY HARD TO GIVE EVERY GENERATION A BETTER LIFE THAN WHAT WE HAD. AND THAT EVEN GOES FROM MY FAMILY HERE AT HOME. WE WERE A COMMUNITY THAT DEVELOPED, CREATED A WORLDLY, RENOWNED BUSINESS, SCOTS. WE ALSO INVESTED IN NESTLÉ'S AND OTHER BUSINESSES WHO HAVE LOCATED HERE DURING THAT TIME HAVE COME AND GONE. BUT THEN HONDA. HONDA WAS THE LAST BIG INVESTMENT THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS SEEN IN A LONG TIME WITH PAYROLL, JOBS AND INVESTMENT, WHICH IN WHICH BROUGHT 33 TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO IN IN SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN INVESTED IN DEVELOPING MARYSVILLE SOUTH WELL WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS OF FUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO BRING THESE TYPES OF JOBS TO OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS OVER $15 MILLION WILL BE INVESTED IN INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. THE MARYSVILLE SOUTH PROJECT WILL GENERATE MORE THAN 10 MILLION IN NEW COMMUNITY AUTHORITY REVENUE, WHICH WILL FUND CITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING THE OVERPASS THAT THAT WILL KEEP, THAT WILL KEEP TRAFFIC ON INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY. RATHER, IT WILL GIVE TRAFFIC ON INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY RATHER THAN SCOTTS LAWN AND WEAVER ROAD. IN ADDITION, A 2.5 MILLION IN PILOT PAYMENTS, INCOME TAX AND PROPERTY REVENUE WILL BENEFIT THE CITY. IN ADDITION TO THE CONSTRUCTION WORK, THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL WILL NOT BE MADE AT THE AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR RESIDENTS. WE ALSO BACK IN 2023, I THINK WE REZONE THIS PLOT OF LAND TO ENCOURAGE, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY, BUT ENCOURAGE A DEVELOPMENT THAT DIDN'T BRING IN A LOT OF VEHICLES AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THIS AREA. KNOWING 
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THAT WEAVER ROAD IS ONE LANE, BOTH SIDES, AND THERE'S ALREADY PLENTY OF HOUSING IN THAT SECTION, PLUS THAT AREA OF LAND IS HARD TO GET TO IN GENERAL. SO BUILDING THIS WILL CREATE A PAYROLL TAX OF 4.75 MILLION AND ONLY ADDING 50 JOBS TO TO THE SITE. THE ZONING APPROVED BY COUNCIL FOR THIS SITE PROVIDES SIGNIFICANT PROTECTIONS FOR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS. 
          IT LIMITS TRAFFIC ADDRESSES, SETBACKS, BUFFERING, NOISE, CONCERNS THAT HAS BEEN RAISED BY RESIDENTS. ALL OF THIS DONE THROUGH MULTIPLE MEETINGS BOTH THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR WITH NEIGHBORS, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITY PERSONNEL. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON HAS HAD THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND DON'T STILL HAVE CONCERNS, BUT IT ONLY SHOWS CASE SHOWCASES THAT DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO PULL AN OLIVE BRANCH OUT TO EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT AT LEAST YOU'RE BEING HEARD AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO WORK WITH YOU BASED ON THE INPUT, CITY STAFF AND OUTSIDE EXPERTS. WATER AND POWER CAN BE SUPPLIED WITHOUT NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE COMMUNITY. IN IN SAYING ALL OF THIS, COUNCIL IS COMMITTED TO CREATING A STRONGER, MORE ROBUST, MORE ROBUST AND A MORE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FUTURE FOR US WITH OUR VISIONING. SO THIS COUNCIL VOTED LAST MEETING TO MAKE TO MAKE CHANGES TO OUR ZONING CODE TO IMPROVE HOUSING AND DESIGN STANDARDS BECAUSE RESIDENTS WAS TIRED OF THE COOKIE CUTTER LARGE DEVELOPMENTS MOVING INTO OUR COMMUNITY. SO THIS COUNCIL, WE HEARD YOU AND WE WE VOTED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES HAPPEN. 
          THESE NEW STANDARDS ARE ONLY POSSIBLE IF WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND DIVERSITY AND OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. SO IN SAYING THIS. I DO SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE I AM VOTING FOR THE VISION WE ALL HAVE IN OUR CITY. THANKS TO MANY CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD AS A COMMUNITY SINCE I BECAME MAYOR, WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING A JOINT VISION OF SMART, THOUGHTFUL GROWTH THAT PRESERVES THE SMALL TOWN FEEL OF MARYSVILLE THAT I HOPE WE CAN ALL RALLY BEHIND. NOW, I KNOW THAT IN SAYING THOSE THERE, NOT EVERYBODY IS HAPPY, BUT I JUST HOPE THAT THIS COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THAT DURING OUR TIME, WE HAVE TRIED TO DO OUR BEST TO PULL OUT ALL THE BRANCHES WHEN NEEDED AND TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY A VOICE. BUT IN SAYING ALL THAT THOUGH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE DATA CENTERS IN THE FUTURE? BE CONDITIONAL USES? MR. MR. PRESIDENT YEAH. GO AHEAD. YEAH. CLARIFY THAT. YEAH. STATEMENT. YEAH. YOU GO AHEAD. I THINK THE I REFLECT ON COUNCILMAN WOLFF'S CONCERNS RELATED TO THE EXPANSION OR THE PLACEMENT OF DATA CENTERS IN THE FUTURE. AND HOW CAN WE AS A MUNICIPALITY CONTROL LIKE WE CAN'T NECESSARILY CONTROL THE COUNTY, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST TRY TO MANAGE WITHIN OUR OUR BOUNDARIES, I GUESS. SO I THINK THAT PART OF THAT IS I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME FUTURE ACTIVITY ON THE EAST SIDE AND WHAT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH IN PHASE THREE, IF YOU REMEMBER, IS IMPLEMENTING LIKE A CONDITIONAL USE TEXT WITHIN THE PUD. WOULD THERE BE SOME OPENNESS TO HAVING SOME SIMILAR CLAUSE WITHIN? I THINK IT'S PHASE ONE WHERE IT'S WE DON'T HAVE THAT CONDITIONAL USE, AT LEAST AT FROM MAKING IT A CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN THAT AREA. IN GENERAL, IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME LEVEL OF OF EVALUATION ON UTILITIES LIKE WATER AND AND ELECTRIC TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE APPROVAL POTENTIALLY. AND JUST SPEAKING OUT LOUD. 
          I'LL LET YOU ANSWER WHATEVER THE THE QUESTION YOU WANT. I DICK ROGAN, CAMP MANAGING DIRECTOR OF THE NEW ALBANY COMPANY, 8000 WALTON PARKWAY, NEW ALBANY, OHIO. COUNCILMAN, BURGER, COUNCILMAN, BORDNER AND EVERYONE ELSE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED SITTING DOWN 
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WITH THE CITY OF OF MARYSVILLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO. NOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID THAT I SAID WAS THAT WE WERE HERE FOR THE LONG HAUL, THAT WE'RE MAKING A DECADE LONG COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY. AND AND IF, IF TO DEMONSTRATE THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S CONCERN ABOUT THE PROLIFERATION OF DATA CENTERS, IF IT MAKES COUNCIL MORE COMFORTABLE, IF IT REINFORCES OUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMITMENT TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS, THEN YES, WE'D BE WILLING TO MODIFY THE ZONING FOR MARYSVILLE EAST. 
          I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S THREE, MAYBE FOUR ZONINGS TO MAKE DATA CENTERS IN THAT AREA A CONDITIONAL USE. THERE, KIND OF THINKING A BIT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I DON'T WANT TO WHOLESALE REOPEN THE ZONING. I MEAN, IT WOULD IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL FIND SOME SOME OTHER LITTLE THING WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. THE SECOND THING IS THAT UNDER THE 3 OR 4 PUDS OR TWO PUDS, AN AMENDED AMENDMENT TO THEM, I BELIEVE CONDITIONAL USES ARE APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AS THEY ARE UNDER MOST OF THE CITY ZONING CODE. YOU MAY OR WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A DATA CENTER COMING BEFORE COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WE CAN DIG INTO WITH WITH THE CITY STAFF. BUT IN SHORT, AS I SAID, IF IF THIS HELPS TO REAFFIRM OUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO YOU AND TO. OUR OBLIGATION TO TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS TELLING US, THEN YES, WE'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT. GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. SO I, I WANTED TO GET ON TO SOME NON ELECTRIC QUESTIONS AS WELL BECAUSE WE KIND OF JUMPED TO ANOTHER ANOTHER POINT IN THE CONVERSATION, WHICH I THINK IS A A BIG CONCERN. I THINK WE ARE JUMPING AHEAD A BIT WITH SOME OF THESE TYPES OF AGREEMENTS, AS I'VE STATED BEFORE, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WITH LONG TERM PARTNERSHIPS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOLID PROCESSES AND CRITERIA IN PLACE TO MAKE SOME PRETTY DIFFICULT DECISIONS, INCLUDING WATER ALLOCATIONS. WE'RE A STEP BEHIND OUR OUR WATER RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK WE WE TOOK A MOMENT TO ASSESS KIND OF THE SOME DETAILS OF ELECTRIC AND MORE REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE. SO I'D LIKE TO KIND OF STEP BACK AND JUST SEE WHERE WE ARE SO THAT EVERYBODY IS CLEAR. DO WE HAVE AN ANTICIPATED WATER ALLOCATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? SO THE NEXT PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT. SO. I DON'T THINK WE'RE DISCUSSING WATER. WE'RE DISCUSSING WATER RATES BUT NOT I FEEL LIKE IT'S A TOPIC THAT HAS BEEN AVOIDED. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF US, BUT MANY OF US, MYSELF AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, ARE LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE HOLISTIC PLANNING, RATHER THAN WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL OR INDUSTRIAL TO, YOU KNOW, TO TO NOT JUST LOOK AT PIECE BY PIECE, BUT TO. NO, I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE AND HOW DECISIONS ARE MADE. AND IF IT HASN'T BEEN MADE YET, THAT'S ANOTHER POINT JUST TO BE TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WE KNOW AND WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT. YEAH, THERE'S BEEN NO ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION SINCE THE LAST TIME THIS WAS BROUGHT UP WITH EITHER THE DEVELOPER OR THE END USER. SO I WILL REMAIN STEADFAST IN THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE CITY OF SAYING WHATEVER USAGE WE END UP PROVIDING THEM. THEY WILL MAKE SURE IT HAS LIMITED OR NO IMPACT TO OUR SYSTEM SYSTEM WIDE. AND IF THERE IS IMPACT THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MITIGATING THAT IMPACT. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, I JUST I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR GOING FORWARD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE. WITH WHAT'S COMING AHEAD. THIS ISN'T JUST 
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ONE PROJECT, BUT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE A LINE OF OTHERS. AND SO HAVING A, YOU KNOW A CLEAR IDEA HOW DECISIONS WILL BE MADE MOVING FORWARD, NOT JUST ON, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS BUT CLARITY AND RATES. AND WE DO REALLY LOOK. WE REALLY DO LOOK TO OUR CITY ADMINISTRATION AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF TO BE THE EYES AND EARS FOR THAT BEFORE IT COMES TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE IDEALLY WE WILL ASK THE QUESTIONS, BUT WE DO RELY ON THE FACT THAT WHEN THAT COMES TO US, THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS, THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE TIMING OF THIS COMING TO US BEFORE WE HAVE WATER RATES APPROVED IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE SHOULD, SHOULD EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION FOR US. SO I WOULD REQUEST MOVING FORWARD THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR TO US AND TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE THINKING AHEAD ON, ON THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. I, I DO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME IN THIS ROOM OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WORKED WITH AND CONCESSIONS MADE. BUT I DO MOVING FORWARD. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THAT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS, BECAUSE TO EXPECT A RESIDENT TO SIT DOWN WITH A DEVELOPER IS A SCARY THING. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW ALWAYS HOW TO DO THAT AND WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK. AND SO THAT'S AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND ASK FROM THE CITY THAT WE LOOK AT HOW WE CAN HELP RESIDENTS HAVE THAT MEANINGFUL PARTICIPATION. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE SOME INVOLVEMENT OR FORUMS THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS DIFFICULT TO HAVE MEANINGFUL PARTICIPATION MOVING FORWARD. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WOULD JUST SAY I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE FULL IMPACTS OF WHAT THIS, YOU KNOW, OF THE PROJECT ON OUR RESOURCES AND ON OUR COMMUNITY BEFORE GOING ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS. MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. SO I APPRECIATE COUNCILWOMAN KRAMER'S COMMENTS JUST ABOUT THE AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE THE THOUGHT OF HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT OF INCENTIVES AND BALANCING THOSE INCENTIVES WITH WHAT WE WANT, WHAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. I HAD, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND, CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, DO WE CEASE MOVING FORWARD ANY PROJECT UNLESS SUCH A COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN COMPLETED? AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. FOR ME, I'M SOMEWHAT ACTUALLY HAPPY I'M NOT VOTING ON THE WATER PIECE TONIGHT. THIS IS THE THE FINANCIAL. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE INCENTIVE PACKAGE HERE. AND I SEE OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, I SAW SOME REPORTS THAT EVEN WITH SOME OF THE THE LEVY MONIES, FUTURE COSTS ARE STILL THERE. I, I THINK READ THE NOTES FROM THE THE LAST BOARD MEETING. I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, BUT IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I UNDERSTAND, AND I'VE READ ABOUT THE GOING TO THE ELECTRICITY SIDE OF IT. A LOT OF CONCERN MAYBE A LITTLE BIT WAS EXPLAINED TONIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO CAUSE MARYSVILLE'S RATES TO GO HIGHER. BUT I THINK YOU'D POINT OUT AND I MEAN, I KNOW THIS, BUT THE OUR COUNTRY OPERATES ON GRIDS. BIG QUARTERS OF OUR COUNTRY ARE CONNECTED TO GRIDS. SO I SEE THESE DATA CENTERS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO JUST TARGET MARYSVILLE IN TERMS OF ITS RATES, IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL DEMAND. I THINK YOU WOULD EXPLAIN THROUGH THE KIND OF TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION SIDE OF IT, THERE MAY BE A BENEFIT FROM A RATE VIEWPOINT. I THINK GENERATION IS MAYBE WHERE THE WORRY REALLY LIES WITHIN OTHER MEMBERS, BUT IT'S MORE SO OF A NATIONAL CONCERN, MAYBE A REGIONAL CONCERN. I SEE JUST THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT OF THIS AS BEING SOMETHING. I THINK IT'S BEEN VOICED BY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT A WAY TO DIVERSIFY, DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMIC PORTFOLIO. I RAN ON, I RAN ON FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. I WANTED TO TELL PEOPLE THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE WISE 
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FROM A FINANCIAL VIEWPOINT. MANY INDIVIDUALS DON'T REALIZE THAT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE SKY BROOK, DEVELOPMENTS LIKE CORNER OF SEVEN 3638 OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH RESIDENTIAL IT CALLS FOR COSTS FROM A CITY VIEWPOINT, WE'RE PAYING FOR SERVICES MORE SO RESIDENTIAL RATHER THAN REALIZING REVENUE WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE THE SERVICES AND INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE. SO THERE'S SOME OF THOSE. THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WERE APPROVED PRIOR TO MY TIME ON COUNCIL. YOU'RE JUST NOW SEEING THEM, YOU KNOW, SHOVELS IN THE GROUND AND WHATNOT. BUT THERE'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION THAT IS SWAYING ME HERE, AND THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE BALANCE THAT WITH COMMERCIAL GROWTH SUCH THAT WE HAVE REVENUE TO SUPPORT OTHER COSTS. AND I SEE THAT AS A BENEFIT. I SEE THAT AS A FULFILLMENT OF MY OBLIGATION TO WARD THREE, AND THAT IS TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. I DO THINK THE POINTS THAT OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BROUGHT UP SOME MONTHS AGO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ASSESSING WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO US IS EVER SO MORE IMPORTANT. AND I AGREE WITH JUST THE POINTS YOU BROUGHT UP IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT COSTING US SOME, SOME HIDDEN COSTS. AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION THAT, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY. WHEN WE DIAL IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PACKAGE AGREEMENT, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT NEEDS TO BE THE THE FOREMOST CONSIDERATION. BUT JUST SOME OTHER POINTS THAT YOU HAD TOUCHED ON, MR. PRESIDENT, WERE THE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WEAVER ROAD. I WOULD SAY THAT I HAD SAW THE WEAVER ROAD DEVELOPMENT FAIL TWO TIMES, AND I BELIEVE IN BOTH OF THOSE, IN THOSE, I THINK IT WAS ALSO BOTH PRIOR TO MY TIME ON COUNCIL. 
          BUT THOSE TWO TIMES THAT IT WAS VOTED DOWN, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC ON WEAVER ROAD. SO ALTHOUGH IN MY HEART I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A COMPANY LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE UP 33 CREATE THOUSANDS OF JOBS, IT'S PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          I DON'T WANT TO SEE 3000 CARS ON WEAVER ROAD, YOU KNOW. SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ZONING AND WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID, WHY WHAT WAS DONE MADE SENSE. AND IT'S THAT, YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD A ROAD THAT THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. YEAH. GO AHEAD ERIC CAN I CAN I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT FOR A MOMENT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THIS SO MANY TIMES. SO TONIGHT IT IS THE CRA. YEAH. THAT'S STEP ONE. OKAY. JEREMY AND I HAD A CONVERSATION TODAY AND WE SAID, HOW MANY UNITS DO THEY WANT TO BUILD. AND YOU SAID THEY'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO START ENGINEERING YET BECAUSE STEP NUMBER ONE YEAR A HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED YET OKAY. SO ONCE WE HAVE THE SIERRA BEHIND US, HOW MANY OTHER STEPS ARE THERE BEFORE THEY COULD ACTUALLY BEGIN TO TURN DIRT AND BRING THIS INTO REALITY? YEAH. SO THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE A COUPLE NEXT STEPS. ONE WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT A LOT OF THAT'S BEEN DETERMINED. 
          WOULD YOU MIND IF WE USE USE THIS AND PUT IT ON RECORD. SO. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. SO A COUPLE MORE STEPS WOULD WOULD WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS BEING CRA DONATION. THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR SOME AGREEMENT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO GET ACCESS TO THE TO PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE SITE. AND THEN THERE WOULD ALSO BE A WATER SERVICES SEWER AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED THROUGH JEREMY AND HIS OFFICE OR TYPICALLY THE NEXT STEP. AND THEN OF COURSE, BUILDING PERMITS, ZONING PERMITS, ENGINEERING, ZONING APPROVALS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WOULD HAPPEN. DESIGN REVIEW AS WELL WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO THOSE ARE THE NEXT PROCESSES THAT WOULD HAPPEN. YEAH. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AT THIS POINT THAT IF WE IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION ON THIS, YEAH. THEN THE OTHER STEPS ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE PLACE. YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THERE IS NO OR, OR WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT AGREEMENT. BUT THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. YEAH. YEAH. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP AND THE IMPORTANT STEP TO, TO GET US TO THE NEXT STEPS FOR CERTAIN. AND THIS MUST HAPPEN TO THEN BEGIN THE NEXT STEP. AND THE NEXT STEP WILL BE PART OF THE ENGINEERING. AND ALSO THE QUESTION AT THAT POINT AT THAT TIME WILL BE AND AGAIN, WE ARE TAKING AN ASSUMPTION WE'RE NOT SAYING, BUT IF IF THE COMPANY 
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KNOWS WHAT THE INTENT IS, YEAH, THEY MAY ASK FOR A BIGGER LINE SO THAT THEY HAVE ONE METER AND THEN HALF OF THAT ONE METER, THEY CAN THEN FILL OTHER OTHER BUILDINGS IF THEY SO DESIRE AT SOME POINT IN TIME. YEAH, THAT WOULD HAPPEN. THAT WOULD BE A JEREMY QUESTION. BUT YEAH, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO GET TO THOSE STEPS, TO HAVE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS ON THE METER SIZE, ON THE WATER SEWER LINES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WOULD HAPPEN THEREAFTER, BUT THIS WOULD HAPPEN. THIS IS THE FINANCIAL PACKAGE TO ENSURE THE PROJECT CAN ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD. 
          NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS IF IF WE DON'T DO THIS, IF WE DON'T DO THIS AND ALL THE OTHER STEPS. 
          YEAH, THOSE CAN INDIVIDUALLY THEN BE APPROVED AND SAY YES, IT FITS OR NO, IT'S NOT GOING TO FIT YOUR YOUR WATER REQUIREMENT. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GIVE YOU X AMOUNTS OF WATER. 
          YEAH. IF WE CAN'T AGREE ON INFRASTRUCTURE THE PROJECT DOES NOT HAPPEN. SO JEREMY HAS TO BE CONTENT AS OHIO HAS TO BE CONTENT. THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE UTILITY PROVIDERS HAVE TO BE CONTENT OR THE PROJECT DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD. SO THERE'S A LOT OF NEGOTIATION, A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT STILL HAVE TO HAPPEN. THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP IN MULTIPLE STEPS THAT NEED TO OCCUR. AND THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS JUST STEP ONE TO GET THE BALL ROLLING AND THEN OTHER, OTHER THINGS WILL COME UP AT TIMES WHEREBY WE CAN THEN OR COUNCIL THEN CAN MAKE DECISIONS UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF ENGINEERING AND SAY, YES, THIS WILL WORK FOR US OR THIS WILL NOT WORK FOR US. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR HELP ON THAT. AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, ANYTHING WITH WATER MOVING FORWARD IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THEN AND WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE UTILITY CAPACITY BOARD THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS HERE ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. SO CURRENTLY GOES RIGHT THROUGH US. BUT THAT'S A PROCESS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS OF MODIFYING. 
          OKAY. AND THEN ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP AT THE BUSINESS IMPACT BREAKFAST LAST WEEK WHEN WE HEARD FROM FROM MATT MCCULLOUGH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE MENTIONED IS BUILDINGS, AND GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A KIND OF SINGLE USE BUILDING THAT OUTDATED OR, YOU KNOW, WAS NO LONGER RELEVANT AND HAD TO BE REMOVED. AND SO I GUESS I'D LIKE TO THROW IT OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT VERY LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE, IT WILL HAVE A USEFUL LIFE. AND THEY'RE VERY TARGETED FOR A SPECIFIC USE. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO START THINKING NOW OF WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY WON'T BE AROUND. BUT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WHEN WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SINCE HE HE BROUGHT THAT UP, I THINK IT'S REALLY RELEVANT. AND MAYBE HE CAN, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION OR SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD BE THINKING, YOU KNOW, AS QUICKLY AS TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS ARE CHANGING. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A KROGER BUILDING SIT EMPTY FOR FOR QUITE A WHILE. AND THESE ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT LOOK SMALL. SO JUST THINKING FROM INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL, WHAT WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE. YOU KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE EXCEEDED THEIR USEFUL THEIR USEFUL LIFE AND THE LAND WILL BE REPURPOSED. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION WHICH STATED WOULD NEW ALBANY COMPANY BE WILLING TO HAVE CONDITIONAL USE FOR ALL DATA CENTERS? AND YOU SAID YES. FOR MARYSVILLE EAST? YES. OKAY. SO OH, I'M SORRY THAT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A ANOTHER PROCESS. I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO INITIATE A CHANGE THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH A SEPARATE ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION. COUNCILMAN REAMS, EXCUSE ME, IF I MAY. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR AS I WAS SITTING DOWN. I WOULD THINK THAT BY WE NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH STAFF AND ASHLEY TO TO REALLY SEE HOW WE WANT TO DO THIS. I WOULD MAKE THE COMMITMENT THAT BY MID JANUARY WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SUBMIT, WHETHER IT'S INITIATED BY COUNCIL OR INITIATED BY US WITH WITH PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. AND I GUESS I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE INITIATE IT. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO. WELL, THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A SEPARATE PIECE OF LEGISLATION. OKAY, IF I MAY. ALSO, I'M NOT 
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SURE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THE CONDITION OF THIS ORDINANCE. NO ENTIRELY SEPARATE PROCESS. AS LONG AS WE'RE OKAY WITH WITH THAT. AND TO YOU DO HAVE MY WORD. YOU HAVE OUR WORD. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD, TO FORGET IN THIS ORDINANCE, THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE IN THE BODY OF ORDINANCE, NOT IN THE TITLE. AND I, I JUST ASKED MCKENZIE TO REMOVE THAT. 
          IT WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE INDEPENDENT VOTE ANYWAY. SO THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE HAS BEEN REMOVED. OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL COMMENTS? MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE LEGISLATION. OKAY. ROLL CALL, MR. REAMES. YES, MISS. CRAMER? NO. MR. BORDNER YES. MR. WOLFF NO. MR. BERBEE YES. MR. BURGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. FIVE. YES. LEGISLATION PASSES. ORDINANCE C SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND PART NINE STREETS, UTILITIES 
          [ Ord. C]
AND PUBLIC SERVICES OF THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE CODIFIED ORDINANCES. AND I HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT I WILL PULL UP. 
          FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT TONIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I HAD A FAMILY COMMITMENT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US DELAY THIS. THIS PRESENTATION MATCHES VERY CLOSELY TO THE PRESENTATION THAT I GAVE AT THE NOVEMBER WORK SESSION ABOUT A MONTH AGO. SUMMARY. WE CAN GET THROUGH ALL THAT UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP HISTORY. SO I WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS. THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP'S BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS. WE'VE MET APPROXIMATELY 40 TIMES WITH THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF CREATING FAIR AND EQUITABLE GUIDELINES, POLICIES AND UTILITY RATES FOR OUR UTILITY CUSTOMERS. WITH THAT FIRST TASK WE HAD WAS A COMPLETE CODE OVERHAUL. SO THAT WAS QUITE, QUITE A LIFT. OUT OF THOSE 40 MEETINGS, ABOUT 15 HAPPENED THAT FIRST YEAR. SINCE THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED ON EMERGENCY WATER CONNECTIONS WITH DELCO WATER, REVISIONS TO OUR ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, REMOVAL OF FIRE PROTECTION FEES IN CERTAIN INSTANCES. AND ULTIMATELY, THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE WATER WASTEWATER UTILITY RATE INCREASE OVER THAT TIME. SO I THINK WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH THAT. ONE OF OUR PRIMARY FOCUSES, AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, IS WATER CONSERVATION. THAT HITS ON THE ITEM WE HAD DISCUSSED OR COUNCIL JUST DISCUSSED. SO WITH WATER CONSERVATION, THESE ARE 2024 STATS YEAR ROUND. ABOUT 25% OF OUR WATER WE FEEL IS USED TO IRRIGATE AND WATER LAWNS. DURING THE SUMMER, THAT NUMBER RISES TO ABOUT 43%. SO WITH THAT, THE MORE WATER WE CAN CONSERVE, THE LESS WATER TREATMENT PLANT WE HAVE TO BUILD, THE LESS BIGGER PIPES WE HAVE TO BUILD. BUT IN THE END, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL. AND THEN AS WELL. ONE THING TO REMEMBER, ALTHOUGH WHEN I STARTED HERE AND WHEN THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP FIRST WAS IMPLEMENTED, I WOULD THINK WE WERE IN ABOVE THE 90TH PERCENTILE STATEWIDE WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES. CURRENTLY, WE'RE BELOW 60TH IN BOTH FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. THAT NUMBER IS GOING OR OUR PERCENTILE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO DOWN AS OTHER UTILITY COMPANIES, MUNICIPALITIES CONTINUE TO RAISE RATES ON AVERAGE AT ABOUT 3 TO 5%. THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE I SAW AND I ALLUDE TO IT LATER COLUMBUS THIS WEEKEND, OR I SAW IT IN THE DISPATCH THIS WEEKEND WAS IN THE 10 TO 12% RANGE. I DIDN'T SEE THE FINAL BREAKDOWN, BUT THAT'S AT LEAST WHAT THE DISPATCH SAID. THERE YOU GO. SO WE LOOKED AT UP THERE, IT SAYS EIGHT OPTIONS. WE LOOKED AT MANY MORE THAN THAT. AT LEAST I'VE GOT SPREADSHEETS TO SHOW THAT. SO THE, THE THE SCENARIOS THAT WE HAD, WE HAD TWO 
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DIFFERENT ONES THAT THE WATER MASTER PLAN PROPOSED. WE THEN CONSULTED WITH RALPH, WHO'S BEEN HELPING US WITH RATES. THEY ALSO LOOKED AT THEY PERFORMED THE ANALYSIS WITH THE WATER MASTER PLAN AND THEN US AS A CITY. SO THAT'S UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS AS WELL. AGAIN, OUR FOCUS, THE TWO GOALS THAT WE HAD WAS PREACHING WATER CONSERVATION AND THEN MINIMAL IF ANY EFFECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. AND I GUESS I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY WHO ALL WAS ON THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP, BUT IT'S THE UTILITY SUPERINTENDENTS. TERRY, BRAD, SANDY, ALICIA FROM UTILITIES AS WELL. KYLE SHOWS UP EVERY NOW AND THEN FOR THOSE AS WELL. SO. AND THEN COUNCILMAN REAMES IS OUR COUNCIL REP ON THAT. SO THE OPTIONS THE FIRST OPTION WE OR THAT WAS PROPOSED WAS A 5% ANNUAL INCREASE FOR EIGHT YEARS WITH A 20% ANNUAL CAPACITY FEE INCREASE. SO AS A REMINDER, WHEN I SAY USER RATE, THAT IS YOUR MONTHLY BILL. WHEN WE SAY CAPACITY FEE, THAT IS A ONE TIME AMOUNT THAT IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE, YOU MAY NOT PAY IT, BUT IT'S BUILT INTO THE COST OF YOUR HOUSE. SO THAT'S ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, OBVIOUSLY, AS IT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, A WALMART OR SOME COMMERCIAL, THEIR THEIR CAPACITY FEES ARE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER BECAUSE THEY NEED MORE WATER. OPTION TWO THAT THE WATER MASTER PLAN PROPOSED IN MARCH WAS A 2% ANNUAL INCREASE, WITH 10% ON THE CAPACITY FEE SIDE FOR TWO YEARS. SO AT LEAST WITH THE OPTION ONE, WE DID NOT ANALYZE THAT VERY MUCH BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY DIFFICULT TO TO GET THROUGH OR MAKE PALATABLE. OPTION TWO. WE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT, BUT PRESENTING OUT EIGHT YEARS OF INCREASES DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO BITE IT OFF IN SMALLER, SMALLER AMOUNTS. THINGS CAN CHANGE A LOT OVER, OVER THOSE EIGHT YEARS. SO THE NEXT RATES THAT ARE CONSULTANT LOOKED AT. AND AGAIN I'M GETTING INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THESE. I'VE I'VE GOT A SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWS HOW ALL OF THEM COMPARE LATER. BUT FOR THE MOST PART OUR CURRENT MAKE SURE I CAN DO THIS. OUR CURRENT RATE, YOU KNOW, THE LESS THE LESS YOU USE IT CHARGES YOU MORE AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN THE RATE DECLINES. SO YOU CAN SEE FOR YOUR FIRST 200 CUBIC FEET IN A MONTH, YOU'RE PAYING A MINIMUM, WHICH GETS YOU TO $23. AND THEN IF YOU WERE USING A MILLION GALLONS A DAY OR 1,000,000 CUBIC FEET, YOU ARE PAYING IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS AMOUNT. AND THAT'S OUR CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE. WHAT RALPH LOOKED AT WAS SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT IT WAS BREAKING IT IN FROM RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. SO SEPARATE RATE STRUCTURES FOR EACH AND ALSO SEPARATE TIERS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON YOUR FIRST, YOU KNOW, YOUR 200 TO 1000 CUBIC FEET VERSUS YOUR 200 TO 1500. ONE OF THE ORIGINAL THINGS, WHEN WE REWROTE THE CODE A HANDFUL OF YEARS AGO TO MAKE, I DON'T KNOW IF EASIER, BUT A LITTLE MORE EASIER WAS TO GET EVERYBODY, WHETHER IT'S WATER AND WASTEWATER ON THE SAME SCALE. YOU KNOW, THE MONEY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT IT WAS THE SAME EXACT TIER SCALE FOR THAT. SO WITH THAT, THEIR FOCUS AGAIN WAS MORE ON WATER CONSERVATION. 
          WITH THIS YOU CAN SEE THE THE NUMBER GOES DOWN FOR, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 200 AND 1000 AND THEN IT GOES BACK UP THE MORE YOU USE. THERE WAS A SIMILAR THEME IN OPTION TWO. SO THOSE DO GET US THE THE WATER CONSERVATION WHERE YOU'RE PAYING MORE FOR THE MORE YOU USE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. BUT WE AS THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SHARPEN OUR PENCIL AND CONTINUE TO MEET THOSE DEMANDS AND THOSE GOALS IN A DIFFERENT MANNER. 
          THE THIRD OPTION, AGAIN, THEY DID CONTINUE TO SEPARATE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. 
          WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF UTILITY CODES WITHIN WITHIN THE SYSTEM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. AND AGAIN, RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S CHARGED THE SAME. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK WE'VE GOT THOSE 100% RIGHT. I KNOW AFTER LOOKING AT THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 98% RIGHT. SO THERE'D BE A LOT OF DOUBLE CHECKING AND TRIPLE CHECKING ON THE BACK END TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE CALLING RESIDENTIAL TRULY IS RESIDENTIAL. WHAT WE'RE CALLING COMMERCIAL TRULY IS COMMERCIAL. AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO WITH MULTI-FAMILY IN THAT INSTANCE. SO THE THIRD OPTION THAT THEY HAD AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE USING A LOT OF WATER THEY REALLY MOVE THAT NUMBER UP. HOWEVER, I WOULD I WOULD CONTEND THAT NO RESIDENTIAL USER IS USING OVER 50,000 CUBIC FEET IN A MONTH. THAT IS, I 
          [01:35:07]
THINK A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS A DAY. SO LOOKING AT THOSE UTILITY RATE GROUP CAME UP WITH WITH AN IDEA OF IN 2026. AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED IN JULY 2026, MODIFYING THIS MIDDLE TIER. AND THIS WOULD BE ON WATER AND WASTEWATER. SO THANK THANK YOU, HANK, FOR CATCHING A TYPO EARLIER THIS MORNING. BUT WE WOULD HAVE SIMILAR RATE STRUCTURES FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER. SO ESSENTIALLY BY MOVING THIS UP FROM 1500, THAT MEANS IF YOU DO, IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE SUPER USERS, AS WE'VE IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE USING MORE THAN 1500 CUBIC FEET IN A PARTICULAR MONTH, YOU WILL NOT GET THAT DISCOUNT BY HOPPING INTO THE NEXT TIER. SO SO WHAT THAT DOES IS IT MEETS OUR GOAL OF, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE RATES THE SAME, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, PROMOTING WATER CONSERVATION, WHICH WE HOPE TO DO EVERY WINTER AND SPRING MOVING FORWARD. WE'LL SEE HOW RECEPTIVE IT IS. IT'S DEFINITELY A TOUGH THING TO MEASURE. YOU KNOW, WITH WITH SOME OF THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING. AND THEN WITH THIS RATE, WE ALSO LOOKED AT IN 2028 INCREASING EVERYBODY A NOMINAL I THINK 2%, BUT THEN ALSO GETTING TIERS THREE AND FOUR INCREASED, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO FLATTEN OUT THAT LINE WHERE YOU'RE NOT GETTING AS MUCH OF A DISCOUNT. SO AS PART OF THAT, WE WERE ANALYZING SOME OF THE ADJACENT COMMUNITIES. SO WE'VE GOT MARYSVILLE ON THERE. WE'VE GOT DELCO WATER CITY OF DELAWARE AND THEN COLUMBUS, BOTH ON BOTH IN THEIR SUBDIVISION AND NON-CONTRACT. SO WHAT WE FOUND THERE WAS THAT WE'RE STILL A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE COMPETITORS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AS WE ARE CURRENTLY, BUT WE WERE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IN THAT ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 40% BELOW OUR COMPETITORS OR OUR OUR NEIGHBORS, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. SO WHAT THAT LED US TO DO WAS ESSENTIALLY LOOK AT INCREASING TIER THREE AND FOUR TO FLATTEN THAT CURVE OUT A LITTLE MORE AND GET IT GET GET OUR RATES A LITTLE MORE UNIFORM FOR THAT. SO THAT WAS THE ADJUSTMENT THAT WE MADE IN NOVEMBER WHEN WHEN UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP LAST MET WAS TO INCREASE TIER THREE AND FOUR KEEP THE RESIDENTIAL THE SAME THROUGHOUT AND IMPLEMENT THE 4000 4000 GALLON, 4000 CUBIC FEET A MONTH TIER FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER. WHAT THAT DOES. AND AGAIN, LET ME SCOOCH BACK HERE. IF YOU'LL NOTICE THE WAY THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP FIRST STARTED OUT, OUR RATES WERE HIGH. AND WHAT WE SAID WAS, WELL, WE HAVE SO FEW CUSTOMERS TO SPREAD SOME OF THESE COSTS OUT. COLUMBUS SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, 50% LESS THAN OURS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MILLION CUSTOMERS TO SPREAD OUT THE COST OF A TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE COST OF A PIPE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE MOST COMPARABLE ONE ON THIS, AND AGAIN, IT'S BASED OFF OF THE INTERNET AND GOOGLE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AROUND 11,500 CUSTOMERS. CITY OF DELAWARE IS AT ABOUT 15,000 CUSTOMERS. SO, YOU KNOW, COMPARISON PURPOSES, THEY ARE THE CLOSEST DELKO'S AROUND 56,000 IN COLUMBUS, PROBABLY NOT THE MOST COMPARABLE, BUT THEY'RE AT 1.2 MILLION CUSTOMERS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, HOW WE COMPARE TO DELAWARE IS PROBABLY THE BEST. AND YOU CAN STILL SEE IN THOSE IN THOSE LARGER USERS, WHICH AGAIN, ARE IN THE MILLION 500,000 GALLON A DAY RANGE, WE ARE MUCH, MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN THEM. 
          SO WHEN WE REVISE THE RATES, WE DO BECOME REAL COMPARABLE WITH DELAWARE. BUT ON AVERAGE WE STILL ARE A LITTLE BIT BELOW WHAT THIS DOES. JUST SOME FACTS. WE, THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER RIGHT NOW IS AT ABOUT 867 CUBIC FEET. SO THAT FALLS PRETTY DARN CLOSE TO THE SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE. WE DID NOT DESIGN IT THAT WAY. THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST HOW IT WORKED OUT. 
          SO WE ARE AN AVERAGE RESIDENT WOULD USE THAT AND BE IN THE MIDDLE OF TIER TWO WHEN I'M GIVING YOU AVERAGES. KEEP IN MIND THIS IS FOR JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS WHEN OUR PEAKS ARE SO A LOT MORE PEOPLE WATERING. SO IN THE WINTER, MY GUESS IS ANYBODY THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THIS WATER CONSERVATION TIER IS GOING TO BE EVEN. THERE'S GOING TO BE EVEN FEWER BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART, WATER USAGE, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER TO WE'LL SAY 
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MARCH IS GOING TO BE ALL INTERIOR AND INDOOR USAGE. TRY TO LOOK AT THIS. THIS IS A MESS, I'M GOING TO ADMIT. BUT TRY TO GET INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. AFTER COUNCILMAN BOERNER ASKED SOME QUESTIONS. SO FOR THE MOST PART, IF YOU ARE IN AND THIS IS CITY AND COUNTY CUSTOMERS, THE 75TH PERCENTILE OF USERS REMAINS UNDER THAT 1500 CUBIC FEET PER DAY THRESHOLD. SO SOMEWHERE IN THE 85TH PERCENTILE WAS IS WHERE CUSTOMERS WOULD EXCEED THAT 1500 CUBIC FOOT TIER. CHANGE THAT WE'RE TALKING AS IT RELATES TO WATER CUSTOMERS. OUR MAX IN THAT CODE, BASED ON THE INFORMATION I GOT FROM UTILITIES, WAS IN THE 11,000 CUBIC FEET PER DAY RANGE, AND THAT, AT LEAST AS IT RELATES TO 860 CUBIC FEET PER MONTH. TO PUT THAT IN MORE LAYMAN'S TERMS, THAT'S 6500 GALLONS PER MONTH WHEN WE ARE DESIGNING SUBDIVISIONS AND LOOKING AT THAT, WE USE ABOUT 175 GALLONS PER DAY, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 4000 GALLONS PER MONTH. SO AGAIN, THAT THAT CHECKS OUT. SO WITH THAT YOU CAN SEE ALL THE RATES BOUNCE AROUND THE OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO, WHICH HAD WHICH HAD THIS ONE HAD 5% INCREASES AND 2% INCREASES. OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE GOING TO BE 5 OR 10% MORE THAN OUR CURRENT USAGE. BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE WITH OUR PREFERRED ROUTE, OUR FOR EVERY EVERY SINGLE USER THAT'S ABOVE THAT 1500, THEIR BILL TODAY OR AFTER THIS CODE IS VOTED ON AND HOPEFULLY APPROVED IS THE SAME AS IT HAS BEEN SINCE 2013. AND THEN IF YOU'RE IN THAT 90TH PERCENTILE, YOUR RATES GOING TO GO UP FROM 164 TO 139. AND THEN IF YOU'RE THE SUPER USER, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST WE HAVE ON OUR SYSTEM, THEIR BILL WOULD GO FROM 588 TO 450. I WOULD THINK THAT THAT MAX USER PROBABLY HAS THE GREENEST, GREENEST LAWN IN JEROME TOWNSHIP. I THINK YOU HAD JUST SAID IT BACKWARDS. ALL RIGHT. GOING FROM THIS TO THAT. YES. SORRY. YEAH I DID I WORKED RIGHT TO LEFT WORK LEFT TO RIGHT. SO AND AGAIN THIS IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO DURING THOSE SUMMER MONTHS WOULD WOULD BE THE GUESS. SO I WOULD NOT SAY IT'S PROBABLY INSIGNIFICANT YOU KNOW, TO THE REVENUE THAT THE WATER SYSTEM IS BRINGING IN AS A WHOLE. BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THIS 10,000 OR 10,940 CUBIC FOOT USER DOWN BECAUSE THEIR BILLS GO UP A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S A WIN WIN FOR, FOR EVERYBODY. AND THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE OF THIS EXERCISE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT ON RATES. FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU'VE GOT THEM. IF NOT YOU CAN YOU CAN HOLD THEM TILL THE END TO. SO I THINK I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT. SORRY. YEAH I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS. RATES FOR THE AVERAGE USER ARE FLAT 100%. YEAH. EVEN THE ABOVE AVERAGE THAT EVEN THE ABOVE AVERAGE, IT'S THE ABOVE ABOVE AVERAGE WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME SOME PROPOSAL IS AVERAGE EQUALS FLAT. YOU'RE USING MORE. 
          YOU SHOULD PAY MORE. BUT IT ALSO IS A DETERRENT TO USE MORE. IF IT MAKES PEOPLE THINK MAYBE TWICE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT. CONSERVATIVE. AND AGAIN THESE BILLS ARE BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU ACTUALLY USE. SO YOU'RE THAT'S WHY YOUR WATER BILL IS NOT THE SAME EVERY MONTH. IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY TIMES YOU WASH YOUR CLOTHES, HOW MUCH I GOTTA I GOTTA TELL MY KIDS TO STOP FILLING UP THE BATHTUB 4 OR 5 TIMES A DAY, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS. YOU CAN TELL YOUR BILL MAY NOT KNOW. I JUST WANT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. THAT 100% IN THE PROPOSAL, ON AVERAGE, RATES ARE FLAT. UNDERSTAND? THANK YOU. WHICH IS NOT COMMON, ESPECIALLY SINCE 2013. NO, I THINK IT SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE IN TERMS OF. WHEN I. WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, IT WAS VERY MUCH WATER'S LIKE GOLD. BUT NOW TO YOUR POINT, THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. MARYSVILLE HAS STAYED HISTORICALLY. MAYBE FLAT BY THE END OF 2028, WHICH IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. I WOULD BE VERY SHOCKED IF WE ARE NOT AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE OR BELOW. I KNOW A COUPLE STRATEGIC PLANS AGO, WE WERE 
          [01:45:03]
JUST TRYING TO GET UNDER 75TH, AND WE'RE THERE AND WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO WORK, WORK DOWN TO WORK DOWN TO THE 50TH FOR SURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS. THE NEXT ITEM THAT THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP LOOKED AT WAS THE WATER. SO THIS IS MINIMUM BILLING. WE REVIEWED THIS AT AT WORK SESSION AS WELL. BUT FOR THE MOST PART WHAT THIS DOES IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN DEVELOPERS COME TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED A MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND WE BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A MILLION GALLONS A DAY, AND THEY ONLY USE HALF OF THAT, WE HAVE TO GET RECOUPED FOR SOME OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT PROMISE THAT THAT WATER CAN BE THERE. SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS A LITTLE CREATIVE. CURRENTLY EVERYTHING IN BLACK WE HAVE IN CODE. SO THE BIGGER METER WE PROVIDE YOU, THE THE THE HIGHER YOUR MINIMUM IS CURRENTLY. SO WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE AN EIGHT INCH METER, YOUR MINIMUM BILL, WHETHER YOU USE ZERO OR NOT IS $863. IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE AND YOU'VE GOT WATER, YOUR MINIMUM BILL, WHETHER YOU USE ANY OR NOT, IS $23. SO WHAT WE DID TO COMBAT SOME OF THESE LARGER USERS IS IF YOU AGAIN, THROUGH A WATER AND SEWER AGREEMENT THAT WILL BE MEMORIALIZED BY THE UTILITY CAPACITY BOARD OR WHATEVER WE CALL IT. IF YOU ARE REQUESTING A 200,000 GALLONS A DAY, YOU MUST GUARANTEE 50% OF THAT USAGE ON A DAILY BASIS, WHICH EQUATES TO 400,000 CUBIC FEET CUBIC FEET PER MONTH, WHICH IN TURN YIELDS US A OR YIELDS THEM A MONTHLY BILL, WHETHER THEY USE IT OR NOT, OF ANYWHERE FROM $13,000 TO $16,000. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE 4 OR 5 CUSTOMERS SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE THAT HAVE EVER HIT THOSE MARKS. BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE WE PROMISE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER, SO WE CAN'T GIVE THAT AWAY, AND THEY DON'T USE AS MUCH AS AS WE HAVE PROMISED TO THEM. SO THIS IS A WAY TO HELP US RECOUP SOME OF OUR INVESTMENT. THIS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTED BY AEP. THIS MIGHT BE AN OLDER ARTICLE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE LAST YEAR. THEY'RE THEY WANT THOSE COMPANIES TO COMMIT TO 90% UTILITY RATE. WORKING GROUP FELT 50% WAS FAIR. FOR NOW WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS. REVISIT IT AT A LATER DATE. AND THEN ANY OF ANY OF THE CHANGES ON THIS SIDE. SO FOR 2026, 27 AND 28, IF YOU'LL NOTICE, THEIR RATES CHANGE ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOVE THAT 1500, THAT 1500 VALUE. SO THE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE GOT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY MINIMAL. BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ALL YOU'RE DOING IS RUNNING THIS NUMBER THROUGH THE RATE, THE RATE STRUCTURE THAT I JUST PROVIDED YOU. SO AGAIN, THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT THIS WAS A GREAT WAY TO PROTECT OUR INVESTMENT. AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY SAYS THEY WANT A MILLION, WE NOW AT THE RESERVOIR CORDON OFF A MILLION GALLONS THAT WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO PROMISE THEM WHETHER THEY'RE USING IT OR NOT. SO WE FELT THAT THIS WAS FAIR, BUT THIS WOULD ALL BE MEMORIALIZED. AGAIN, IF IT'S A BIG USER IN THIS RANGE, THIS WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF WATER AND SEWER AGREEMENT. NEXT ONE SIMILAR THOUGHT. SO THIS IS CAPACITY FEES. AGAIN, IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE A LARGE USER, MORE THAN 200,000 GALLONS A DAY. WE HAD RAF TELL US AGAIN, LOOK AT LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS FOR US. WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS AGAIN THIS LOOKS FANCIER. THIS IS MY VERSION OF A SKETCH ON A NAPKIN. BUT IN SOME OF THESE LARGE USERS, FOR INSTANCE, IF IT WAS A MILLION GALLON A DAY USER, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GET BY WITH A SIX INCH METER WHERE THEY ARE COMPENSATING THE CITY $350,000, OR 316,800. QUICK SKETCH ON A NAPKIN. I HAD THE NUMBER CLOSER TO 26 MILLION WHEN I WHEN I CALCULATED IT. SO WHAT WE WHAT WE LOOKED AT AND AGAIN, THE 26 MILLION COMES FROM HEY WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PLANT DO WE HAVE TO PROMISE YOU? WHAT PERCENT OF THE RESERVOIR, WELL, FIELD TOWERS, ANY WATER LINE EXTENSIONS. SO WHAT WHAT WE FELT LIKE WAS INSTEAD OF DEVELOPMENT AND MAYBE NOT PAYING FOR ITSELF, HOW DO WE GET THOSE LARGE USERS TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE TO NOT PLACE ANY BURDEN ON THE REST OF OUR CUSTOMERS? SO, AND LOOKING AT THAT, REF SUGGESTED I HAD SOME OTHER EQUATIONS THAT WERE PRETTY CLOSE TO THESE NUMBERS, BUT THEY SAID JUST MAKE IT A ROUND NUMBER OF $15 PER GALLON PER DAY BASED ON THEIR PEAK USAGE. AND THEN WHAT THAT'LL DO IS OBVIOUSLY GET US UP TO, YOU KNOW, A $3 MILLION CAPACITY FEE OR DEPENDING ON THEIR USAGE, 
          [01:50:03]
WHAT THAT IS. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO USE 199,999, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL WILL STILL PUT THAT THROUGH A WATER SEWER AGREEMENT OF SOME SORTS AND HAVE SOME SORT OF CLAWBACK THAT IF THEY DO EXCEED THAT AMOUNT, THAT THE THAT THE CITY IS COVERED. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE WATER SIDE. BUT WE FELT THAT THIS WAS A GOOD WAY TO AGAIN ENCOURAGE AND, YOU KNOW, LET THE PUBLIC KNOW AND ALL OF OUR CITY AND ESSENTIALLY DURHAM TOWNSHIP CUSTOMERS KNOW THAT DEVELOPMENT IS PAYING DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'RE NOT WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING A RAISE AND RATES TO PAY FOR SOMETHING ELSE. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS AS IT RELATES TO DEVELOPMENT, PAYING FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE VERY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN FOR CERTAIN. THE YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S REQUESTING THAT AMOUNT OF WATER DOES NOT DOES NOT COME AROUND VERY OFTEN. 
          THE NEXT ONE WASTEWATER SURCHARGE, I'M NOT SURE. I WAS PRETTY BUSY THAT DAY WHEN I PRESENTED TO THE TO WORK AT WORK SESSION, BUT THIS WAS A COST THAT THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP REVIEWED FROM 2011 TO 2025. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE NOT ADJUSTED THESE FEES AT THAT TIME. DO NOT ASK ME TO PRONOUNCE SOME OF THESE, BUT C-BODY TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS, PHOSPHORUS, AMMONIA AND NITROGEN, EXCESS OIL AND GREASE. WE HAVE SOME COSTS IN THERE WHERE THEY EXCEED A NORMAL AMOUNT. SO WHEN THEY DON'T USE A NORMAL AMOUNT, WE'RE ABLE TO CHARGE CERTAIN INDUSTRIES MORE MONEY BASED ON BASED ON HOW THAT WORKS. IN MOST CASES, THESE LARGE INDUSTRIES HAVE THEIR OWN TREATMENT PLANT OR PRETREATMENT OPTIONS. SOME POINTS THEY PRE-TREAT IT AND IT STILL DOESN'T MEET WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, SO IT ENDS UP COSTING US MORE MONEY TO TREAT THAT. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, INCREMENTALLY INCREASING THOSE, YOU KNOW, DUE TO INCREASED COSTS. THE CITY SEEING PRIMARILY YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING IT ON ALL THE UTILITY SIDE. BUT YOU KNOW ELECTRIC'S GONE UP QUITE A BIT SINCE 2011. SO SINCE OUR I GUESS THE WASTEWATER DIVISION IS SEEING ADDITIONAL COSTS, WE FELT IT'D BE FINE TO PASS THAT ON TO THE LARGE CUSTOMERS. AND THERE'S NOT VERY MANY OF THEM. JUST AS A RULE OF THUMB, ALL OF THE FEES THAT WE GET FROM OUR SURCHARGES, IF I RECALL, WAS RIGHT AROUND $9,000 A YEAR. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING TO SAY. AGAIN, WE'RE CHARGING EVERYBODY FAIR AND EQUITABLY, AND I DON'T FEEL ANY OF THE USERS THAT MEET THESE THRESHOLDS WOULD HAVE ANY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL FOR INDUSTRY, NOT FOR RESIDENTS OR ANY ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NEXT ITEM ALSO SOMEWHAT CAME UP WITH THE MARYSVILLE EAST DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT THIS RELATES TO PRIVATE GROUNDWATER WELLS. SO WE ADDED A SECTION WITHIN YOUR PACKET FOR THE WELLS. A COUPLE KEY THINGS. AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT JOHNSTOWN, WHICH WAS PASSED ON TO ME BY COUNCILWOMAN KRAMER. TIPP CITY, OUR WATER SUPERINTENDENT, SCOTT SHEPHERD, PREVIOUSLY WORKED THERE. AND THEN LANCASTER, WHO'S IN A SIMILAR SITUATION TO US, WHERE THEY OWN AND MAINTAIN THEIR OWN WATER SYSTEM. AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT SOME RURAL FEEL TO IT. ODDLY ENOUGH, DELAWARE DID NOT HAVE THIS CODE. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WHAT THIS CODE SAYS IS IF YOU WANT TO DIG A WELL WITHIN THE CITY CORPORATION LIMITS, YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FROM US AGAIN, WE'VE NEVER HAD THE PERMIT, SO WE HAVEN'T. WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS BEFORE, BUT THE AMOUNT OF WELLS THAT I CAN SEE IN THE CITY SINCE I'VE WORKED HERE IS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. WHEN MISS DURST CAME UP, I BELIEVE, OR DURING SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS, I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE WELLS, AND MOST OF THEM ALONG INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY WERE EITHER A BEFORE WE HAD WATER THERE, OR B THEY'RE USED FOR IRRIGATION, BUT MOST OF THE NEWER ONES THAT WERE WITHIN THE LAST 20 TO 25 YEARS HAD NO USAGE ON THEM FOR THE LAST DECADE. SO THIS IS MORE OF A PREEMPTIVE CODE. IF AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW A LARGE USER WANTS TO COME IN AND INSTALL A WELL, WHICH AGAIN, WE DON'T THINK IS THE CASE, BUT IT COULD, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. SO WHAT THIS SAYS IS AGAIN, YOU NEED YOUR NORMAL PERMITS. WE WILL NOTIFY IF THIS GOES THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO COME TO US FOR ANY YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, PERMITS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH AS WELL. THERE MAY BE SOME INSTANCES, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IN THE CITY AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO DIG AN IRRIGATION WELL FOR SOME REASON, OR THEY WANT TO CONVERT THEIR EXISTING WELL TO AN IRRIGATION WELL, WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S AN 
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APPROVED BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICE ON IT SO THAT OUR WATERS CAN'T MIX. SO WE DO NOT LIKE OUR WATER MIXING WITH WELL WATER AS WELL. IF YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY WE ANNEX IN A HOUSE AS A WHILE AND WE PUT A WATER LINE, OR A DEVELOPER PUTS A WATER LINE IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO ABANDON THEIR WELL IMMEDIATELY. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. 
          SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO WELL OR, YOU KNOW, USE THEIR THEIR WELL WATER. WE WOULD NOT COME IN AND BULLY THEM TO MAKE THEM CONNECT TO OUR WATER. SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE BIG THINGS THERE. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE AN INTEREST. WE, YOU KNOW, A THIRD OF OUR WATER THAT WE PRODUCE EVERY DAY COMES FROM WELLS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE NO USER IS TAKING OUR WATER OR WATER THAT WE PLANNED ON PROVIDING TO OUR RESIDENTS AND CUSTOMERS. SOME THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DIG INTO IS, YOU KNOW, MUCH, MUCH ADDITIONAL DETAIL IF AND WHEN ONE OF THESE COMES THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR YOU KNOW, WHAT VOLUME WOULD WE ALLOW IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL? I DON'T THINK WE CARE UNLESS, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE HAVE WATER LINE PRESENT. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A DATA CENTER THAT WANTS TO USE IT, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S EASY TO SAY. NO, OFF THE OFF THE JUMP. YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO GET INTO THE SPECS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT SIZE PUMP WILL WE ALLOW? WHAT CASING? ONE THING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS IF SOMEBODY DID DIG A WELL AND AGAIN THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL MAKING SURE MY WELL DOESN'T AFFECT ZACH'S WELL OR STEVEN'S WELL AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN IF WE DID THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D DO. I ASSUME EVERYBODY'S HELD TO THOSE THOSE POLICIES AND STANDARDS. BUT JUST IN CASE THEY AREN'T, WE'D MAKE SURE OUR PERMIT SAYS THAT. AND THEN AT THE END OF EVERY YEAR, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALREADY REQUIRED TO DO THIS, BUT THEY PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT ON HOW MANY TIMES THEY USE THEIR WELL, HOW MUCH WATER THEY USED. I KNOW ONE OF THE DATA CENTERS IN JEROME HAS A WELL, BUT IT'S IF ALL OF OUR LINES BREAK AND ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT'S ABOUT TO BURN UP, THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY PLAN, IN WHICH CASE I WOULD SAY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE IF IT'S USED ONCE EVERY HOPEFULLY NEVER, BUT ONCE EVERY 100 YEARS, THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT SENSE TO ME. SO SO THAT THAT'S WE'RE PROPOSING THAT AS SECTION 911 WITHIN THE WATER CODE. AND THEN THE FINAL UPDATE I HAVE FROM THE UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP IS THE STORM WATER RATE ADJUSTMENT. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL OF OUR RATES ON THE SAME SCHEDULE. SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE, ALL OF OUR RATES ON WATER AND IN 2028, STORMWATER, WE'RE STOPPING THAT AT 2028. IT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE OUR REFUSE CONTRACT WITH REPUBLICANS IN 2028. SO THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY HOPEFULLY IN JUNE OF 2028, COME THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY AMENDMENTS, I WOULD ASSUME REPUBLICS BASED ON THEIR LAST BID IS PROBABLY GOING UP A DOLLAR A YEAR. WE USE THAT AS A PASS THROUGH. BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT LEAST FROM A SCHEDULING PERSPECTIVE. SO WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH STORM WATER RATES ONE YEAR, REFUSE THE NEXT WATER THE NEXT GET GET THEM ALL DONE IN ONE FELL SWOOP. SO THE BIG REASON FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT REPLACING TOWN RUN. THERE'S A COUPLE AREAS THAT HAVE SHOWN SOME BLIPS ON SOME OF THE BRIDGE INSPECTION REPORTS THAT ODOT PERFORMS. WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 30% AS OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MAYBE SIX MONTHS AGO. WE PUT IT ON HOLD UNTIL THE VISIONING PLAN OCCURRED, OR AT LEAST WE HAD SOME CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THAT. BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH TOWN RUN IS REPLACING IT FROM FIFTH STREET, WHICH IS HERE. SO THIS IS RIDGEWOOD FIFTH STREET DOWN THE ALLEY. NOW THAT WE OWN HOMETOWN AUTO AND EITHER A GETTING TO PARTNERS PARK TO WHERE IT EXISTS NOW AGAIN, WE'D STILL HAVE TO REPLACE IT. WE'VE ALSO GOT AN OPTION THAT GOES ESSENTIALLY RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LIBRARY. WHAT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AND WHAT SEEMED SMART WAS WE COULD REPLACE IT IN THE SAME EXACT LOCATION. BUT THEN IN 100 YEARS, SOMEBODY BE LIKE, WHY THE HECK DID THEY PUT A CULVERT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF A PROPERTY AND WE PUT A BUILDING ON TOP OF IT. SIMILARLY, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO PLANS TO PUT A BUILDING ON PARTNERS PARK, BUT IF WE CAN GET IT OUT OF THE WAY NOW, IT OPENS THAT UP IN, YOU KNOW, 30 OR 50 YEARS IN CASE ANOTHER PAVILION WANTS TO GO THERE OR A SPLASH PAD OR SOME SORT OF ITEM LIKE THAT WHERE THEY'RE NOT WORKING AROUND TOWN RUN. AND AND FOR THE MOST PART, TOWN RUN AS IT GOES UNDER, AS IT GOES UNDER. 
          PARTNERS PARK CURRENTLY IS ABOUT THIS MUCH UNDERGROUND. SO THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO. IT'D BE IN THE WAY OF OF ANYTHING THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, EITHER AT THAT PROPERTY OR AT HOMETOWN AUTO IN THE FUTURE. SO THE MORE PLANNING AND MORE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE, WE CAN DO THE BETTER. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT TO 
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PROVIDE SOME UPDATES TO PUBLIC SAFETY PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITTEE AS WE GET THOSE, WHICH I ANTICIPATE HOPEFULLY HAVING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 50% PLANS DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, AT LEAST THE CURRENT SCHEDULE I'VE GOT GOT IN MY HEAD. IF I HAD TO GUESS, I AM JUST GUESSING. IN TALKING WITH BRAD, I ORIGINALLY SAID, HEY, I THINK THE STORMWATER FUND CAN DO 500,000 A YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE FROM OLD BAG SLASH OLD BAG TO RICHWOOD. OR WE CAN BORROW MONEY AND DO THE WHOLE THING AT ONCE, WHICH MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC. THAT'S THE ROUTE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS RIGHT NOW, BUT IN THE END, IT'S ABOUT A $6.5 MILLION PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 3 OR $400,000 A YEAR FOR THE FOR THE LIFE OF THAT LIFE OF THAT BOND OR LOAN. SO THAT'S AT LEAST WHAT WE'RE THINKING NOW. MY GUESS IS THAT WOULD NOT OCCUR UNTIL 2027. WE'LL HAVE TO WORK AROUND FIVE POINTS AND SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, IF THAT'S THE SCHEDULE. BUT I HAVE A FEELING THERE'LL BE SOME SIGNIFICANT UTILITY RELOCATIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH ON THAT. SO THAT YEAH, THAT THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS EVERYTHING UP. BRAD. MARK, I MISS ANYTHING. NO, IT'S IT'S A LOT. AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT. ALL RIGHT. THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO BRING EVERYTHING TOGETHER IN ONE PACKAGE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PIECEMEALING IT. SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK, ESPECIALLY ON THE RATES AND THE AND THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD NOT IMPACT OUR, OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. SO I THINK WE LANDED ON A PRETTY GOOD OPTION. GOOD. 
          CAN I CAN YOU GO BACK TO SOME OF THE SLIDES? WHAT KIND OF WALK THROUGH THAT AGAIN. IS THAT OKAY. OH I THINK IT'S A IT'S A SLIDE WHERE OKAY. OH IT'S A SLIDE WHERE WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL ON TOP AND THE LOWEST RATE ON THE BOTTOM. YOU MAY HAVE JUST MISSED IT OKAY. 
          THE 290. THAT WOULD BE THE RATE OKAY. SO THIS WOULD BE TIER TWO. SO THE RATE FOR RESIDENTIAL WOULD MAINTAIN AT 1130 OR $23 PER PER MONTHLY BILLING, WHICH IN ESSENCE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ADDITIONAL SERVICE THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE, WE PROVIDE METERS, WE HAVE BILLING TO DO AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I THINK THAT THAT, THAT THAT'S IN A GOOD PLACE. BUT FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO DROP ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 290. AND WHEN WE HEARD THE GENTLEMAN FROM. WE WE'RE IN TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESS. WE'RE IN THE WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF PRODUCING WATER, AND WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF DISTRIBUTING WATER. SO MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE PRODUCE WATER FOR $2.90 WITH OUR CURRENT PLANS? ARE WE COVERED WITH THAT 290. THE 290 HAS BEEN OUR RATE FOR 12 YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON HOW SUCCESSFUL THE WATER FUND IS, I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN DO THAT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO PULL NUMBERS, BUT I WOULD SAY 3% OF OUR PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, 3% OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE IN THIS RANGE. THERE'S THERE'S NOT MANY THAT GET GET TO THAT RANGE. BUT FOR 290, AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT THE PIPES ARE ALREADY THERE. SO THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALREADY PAID FOR THE PIPE IN THEORY. AND YOU KNOW, TIER TWO OR THE MAINTENANCE ON THE PIPE AND TIER TWO AND TIER THREE. SO RIGHT THERE IT'S JUST WATER. SO YEAH. BUT THEN AGAIN YOU GET INTO YOUR DISTRIBUTION SIDE. 
          YEAH. I'M LOOKING SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT WHAT IS THE COST. THE WATER I WOULD SAY YES THAT WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT AT 290 IT IS ON THE LOW SIDE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING IT. BUT YES, THAT THAT 290 HAS BEEN THERE FOR SINCE 2013. SO OUR WATER HAS BEEN DOING DOING WELL. EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE GOING UP. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AT THE 290 AND AGAIN THAT WE ARE INCREASING THAT A DOLLAR OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS FOR THE LARGE USER. SO YEAH, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN NOW. BUT DUE TO SOME UNKNOWNS AND THEN ALSO TRYING TO MATCH WHAT WHAT OTHER YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER WHAT OUR COMPETITORS ARE, I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND WATER PROVIDERS. BUT YOU KNOW, WE WE FEEL THAT WE'RE STILL BELOW EVERYBODY WITH EVEN A $3.90. BUT YOU COULD YOU COULD SEE MY 
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POINT. YEAH. OKAY. WE WE SOMEHOW SHOULD KNOW WHAT IT COST US TO PRODUCE A GALLON OF WATER. AND IF WE CAN DO IT WITH 390, BUT IF IT IS MORE THAN 390, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH. AND I CAN GET MAYBE THAT'S WHAT FOR THE NEXT I'LL, I'LL SPEAK UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIVE OR ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION OF THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING. BUT I'LL GET YOU A NUMBER ON WHAT I THINK WE CAN. OKAY. WHAT I THINK THAT NUMBER IS. AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD GUESS, YOU KNOW, COULD IT BE OFF 10% HIGHER, 10% LOW. SURE. OKAY. 
          BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, SUBTRACTING OUT A HANDFUL OF THINGS, YOU KNOW I CAN. AND THEN IF WE CAN GO TO THE ONE WHICH IS MAINLY FOR THE COMMERCIAL ONES WHERE WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO DO EXTRA CLEANING OF THE WATER IF WE COULD GET TO THAT SLIDE. WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME, SOME SOMETIMES TO ADDRESS CONTAMINANTS IN THE WATER, AND YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THAT BEFORE IT GOES TO THE SEWER. I THINK THE OILS, THERE'S LIKE THE OILS AND THE WASTEWATER. OKAY. THAT ONE. YES. NOW, RECENTLY I WAS TOLD THAT WE EITHER HAVE A COMPANY THAT IS MONITORING FOR US OR WE DO THIS IN-HOUSE. BUT RECENTLY THERE HAS BEEN EXCESS OIL AND GREASE GOING INTO OUR OUR. OUR SEWER PIPES. WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT IT AND HOW ARE WE HANDLING THAT AND AND HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM IS THAT. SO I KNOW, AT LEAST AS IT RELATES TO THIS COMPONENT OF EXCESS OIL AND GREASE, THIS IS FOR THE THE HONDA'S AND THE NESTLE'S AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO REAL INDUSTRY THAT HAVE A INDUSTRIAL PRETREATMENT FORM WITH US THAT WE MONITOR ON A MONTHLY AND QUARTERLY BASIS AS IT RELATES TO THE NEW FAT, OILS AND GREASE PERSON THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF NOW THAT'S BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. THAT'S MORE FOR LIKE THE MCDONALD'S OR THE BURGER KINGS AND THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE THAT FORM. BUT SOMEHOW GREASE JUST FINDS ITS WAY IN THERE. SO WE HAVE TO BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO COME BY EVERY MONTH TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO SEE YOUR LOGS AND YOUR REPORTS FOR YOUR GREASE TRAP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THOSE ARE OUTSIDE OF THIS. THOSE ARE MORE OF, WE'LL SAY, COMMERCIAL USERS WHERE WHERE WE CATCH THEM. SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT OUR SYSTEM AS MUCH. BUT IT'S BEEN A MUCH NEEDED ADDITION TO THE WASTEWATER TEAM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT POSITION AND IN PLACE. BUT THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THIS. AGAIN, THAT THAT'S PRIMARILY FOR THE LARGE INDUSTRIES THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SCOTTS AS WELL. THAT WOULD. YEAH. BUT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE FILTERED DOWN FROM THAT. WE FILTERED DOWN FROM THE LARGER USERS TO NOW ALSO HAVE BECAUSE IT REALLY STARTED WHEN WE CLEANED UP THE ALLEY BEHIND. AND THEN WE HAD A LOCATION WHERE PEOPLE COULD BRING THEIR OIL. YEAH, AS A PREVENTATIVE. AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN THEY PUT THE OIL IN THE DRAIN, YEAH, IT'S PRETTY LIQUID. BUT ONCE IT GETS COLD IT CLOGS UP THE WHOLE SYSTEM. YEAH. AND IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PREVENT WITH THAT OR. YEAH. AGAIN, THAT'D BE FOR THE INDUSTRIES FOR THE MOST PART. WE'LL SAY AT THE UPTOWN ALLEY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S OUTSIDE OF WASTEWATER. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT THAT IN OUR SEWERS, BUT A THIRD PARTY TAKES THAT AWAY TO, OKAY, IF THEY SELL IT SOMEWHERE OR IF THEY HAVE TO DISPOSE OF IT SOMEHOW, THAT'S UP TO EACH INDIVIDUAL USER ON HOW THIS WORKS. THIS MORE HAS TO DEAL WITH THE NPDES PERMIT AND THE PERMIT THEY HAVE WITH THE CITY. 
          IF A NEW WENDY'S COMES INTO TOWN, WE DO NOT GET THAT PERMIT FOR THEM TYPICALLY, OTHER THAN WE KNOW WHERE THEIR GREASE TRAP IS SO THAT IF WE HAVE TO MONITOR OR WE TRACE SOMETHING BACK WHERE WENDY'S AND I DON'T MEAN TO PICK ON WENDY'S, WHOMEVER IS THE ONLY ONE CONNECTING TO IT, WE CAN TRACE IT BACK TO THEM AND THEN CONTINUE TO MONITOR CLOSER SO WE DO NOT HAVE A IN MOST CASES, AN INDIVIDUAL PERMIT WITH THEM. BUT WE KNOW WHERE THAT IS. BUT I CAN GET YOU MORE MORE INFORMATION. OUR WASTEWATER SUPERINTENDENT RUNS THAT. SO I UNFORTUNATELY ONLY ONLY KNOW ENOUGH TO BE DEADLY. OTHER THAN NO WE DO NOT WANT OIL AND GREASE IN OUR SEWERS BECAUSE OF THAT. I KNOW WE HAD SOME SOME ISSUES AT THE ELKS A HANDFUL OF TIMES WHERE IT WASN'T THE ELKS, IT WAS THEIR NEIGHBOR THAT WAS CAUSING THE ISSUE. OKAY. ALL 
          [02:10:01]
RIGHT. THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO THAT I HAD. THANKS, JEREMY. YEP. IF NOBODY HAS, GO AHEAD. JEREMY, I KNOW IT'S YOU'RE. SOME THINGS ARE STILL GETTING WORKED OUT, BUT COULD YOU TELL SPEAK A LITTLE MORE TO THE UTILITY CAPACITY BOARD AND WHO WILL BE MADE UP OF AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE PROCESS HOW DECISIONS CAN BE MADE AND WHEN? YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL DECIDES, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CALLING IT A UTILITY RATE OR UTILITY UTILITY CAPACITY BOARD. BUT WHAT WE WERE THINKING WAS UTILITY RATE WORKING GROUP REP. REP FROM PUBLIC SAFETY PUBLIC SERVICE AND A REP FROM FINANCE COMMITTEE. WITH THAT, THE INTENT OF THE BOARD WAS, YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE A BAD DAY AND I LET A 2 MILLION GALLON A DAY USER ON THE SYSTEM AND NOW, HEY, COUNCIL, WE NEED TO RAISE RATES BY 50%. THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. SO I KNEW COUNCIL YOU KNOW, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH TIM AND TERRY WANTED SOME MORE OVERSIGHT ON THAT. SO THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT. MY GUESS IS YOU KNOW, WE WE CAN START WORKING ON SOME FRAMEWORK AND BE PREPARED. BUT IT IS ALSO GOING TO BE A LEARNING A LEARNING EXPERIENCE SINCE WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH IT BEFORE. SO WE'LL HAVE SOME PARAMETERS THAT WE LOOK AT. SURE. WE'LL INVOLVE ERIC AND HIS TEAM AS IT RELATES TO THINGS. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEBODY WANTS A MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND THEY'RE CREATING FIVE JOBS, THAT'S LOOK DIFFERENTLY THAN IF THEY WANT A MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND THEY'RE CREATING 10,000 JOBS. SO THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INPUT THAT'S RELATED TO IT AS WE GO THROUGH THERE. SO A LOT OF THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN. I DO HAVE IT ALL IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD ON ON HOW THAT WOULD LOOK LOOK IF AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AS I'M SURE EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL CAN TELL, A MILLION GALLON A DAY. USER ONE DOESN'T COME AROUND VERY OFTEN, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A YEAR LONG, IF NOT TWO YEAR OR THREE YEAR LONG PROCESS. SO I'D RATHER MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, GET IT RIGHT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SPEED THROUGH IT AND COME UP WITH THINGS THAT WAY. BUT OUR GOAL WOULD BE PROTECTING OUR, OUR RESOURCES TO THE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. HEARING NO OTHER COMMENTS, IS THERE ANY CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC THIS EVENING? GO AHEAD. HI, LYNN MILLER, JOLLY ROAD, MARYSVILLE. FIRST, IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THE EASE GENTLEMAN SPEAK ON ELECTRICITY AND I'M ALWAYS HERE TO SPEAK ON WATER A LITTLE BIT. AND THANKS. THANK YOU, JULIE, FOR WHAT YOU SAID IN THE LAST IN THE LAST SEGMENT ON WATER USAGE. WITH OHIO BEING A REASONABLE WATER USAGE STATE, THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANY REPORT OR STUDY DONE ON THE EFFECTS OF INCREASED WATER USAGE AND THE EFFECT IT MAY HAVE ON THE AQUIFER IF IT'S UNDER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GALLONS A DAY. I THINK IT'S 100,000 GALLONS A DAY. IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY. AND AND IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE WITH THE MATH THAT'S DONE ON THE RESERVOIRS REGARDING WATER USAGE, THAT IT'S BASICALLY IT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE AVAILABLE WATER IS MINUS THE DAILY USAGE. 
          AND THAT EQUALS WHAT THE EXTRA WATER IS THAT WE CAN OFFER TO DATA CENTERS OR ANY OTHER INDUSTRIES. AND I DON'T GET THE FEELING THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE, OR DATA THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED ON THE EFFECTS ON THE AQUIFER AND THE WATER TABLE. 
          AND A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IN OUR AREA, OUR WELLS ARE VERY SHALLOW. THERE'S SOME IN THE LIKE 55 MILES, 84FT DEEP. SO THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF WATER TO ALLOCATE TO THESE INDUSTRIES. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT UP TO IN MARYSVILLE EAST, UP TO 400 WELLS. AND IN LIGHT OF THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S A GROUP OF PROBABLY HALF A DOZEN PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLING, WELL, MONITORING SYSTEMS, PROBABLY, PROBABLY STARTING THIS WINTER. WE'RE WORKING WITH OSU ON COLLECTING DATA FROM OUR WELLS. SO WE HAVE A HUGE TRACK RECORD BEFORE ANY OF THIS WATER USAGE REALLY KICKS IN. AND SHOULD ANYTHING OCCUR, LIKE OUR WELLS GOING DRY WILL JUST HAVE A LOT OF DATA TO GO BACK TO TO. BUT BUT THEN THE QUESTION IS WHO'S WHO'S THEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN AND WHICH IS WHY. WHICH IS WHY 
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THE WELL DRILLING ORDINANCE WORDING IS GOOD TO HAVE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING CARVED IN STONE THAT THAT SAYS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN A YEAR OR 2 OR 5 YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BEING PUT IN. IT'S JUST A GOOD STARTING POINT. BUT IT WOULD REALLY I MEAN, IF YOU HAD THE AES GENTLEMAN HERE, IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE SOMEBODY SPEAK ON AQUIFERS, WATER TABLES, WATER USAGE. THAT'S MAYBE MORE ACADEMIC. SO I JUST BUT THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ON IT SO FAR, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? RYAN. 
          YEARSLEY ROAD. I'M NOT PROBABLY AS ACADEMIC AS THE GENTLEMAN FROM AES, BUT I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HIGH WATER WELL ASSOCIATION, AND I WANT TO APPLAUD CITY COUNCIL FOR. 
          TAKING MY RECOMMENDATION ON CREATING AN ORDINANCE TO REGULATE WATER WELLS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THAT'S A BIG STEP FORWARD. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALARMIST TO SAY THAT LARRY AND HIS 400 NEIGHBORS, WELLS COULD ALL GO DRY. IT'S A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE AS AS MUCH AS NACO TELLS YOU THAT THE DATA CENTERS AREN'T GOING TO USE THAT MUCH WATER, HE PLAYED PLAINLY. HE DOESN'T KNOW. IN FACT, THE INTEL DATA CENTERS THAT WERE PLANNED FOR EAST OF COLUMBUS, NEAR JOHNSTOWN, CITY OF COLUMBUS, PROMISED THEM 1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF CITY WATER. I THINK THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO USE 5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY PER DATA CENTER. 
          SO IT VARIES, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN FROM DATA CENTER TO DATA CENTER. YOU KNOW, BETWEEN INTEL, AMAZON, GOOGLE. BUT THE POSSIBILITY IS THERE THAT A DATA CENTER COULD COME IN TO MARYSVILLE EAST AND REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, 1 MILLION TO 5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. IT'S A POSSIBILITY. IS IT LIKELY? WHO'S TO SAY? SO? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY OF MARYSVILLE HAS PROMISED 50,000 GALLONS A DAY FROM MARYSVILLE MUNICIPAL WATER FOR DATA CENTERS. SO IF IF A AS I SAID BEFORE, THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, IF A WELL IS DRILLED IN MARYSVILLE EAST THAT PRODUCES A THOUSAND GALLONS PER MINUTE. I CONFIRMED WITH GREG NELSON WITH ODNR THAT IT COULD CREATE A CONE OF DEPRESSION, YOU KNOW, FAR ENOUGH TO REACH LARRY'S WELL, AND LARRY'S 3 TO 400 NEIGHBORS WELLS AND AND CAUSED THEM TO GO DRY. YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO. SO HAVING THIS ORDINANCE IS IS A GREAT FIRST STEP. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF. LANGUAGE ISSUES I SEE IN THE ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, WHAT I HAD RECOMMENDED INITIALLY. AND I, I BROUGHT JOHNSTOWN'S ORDINANCE TO THE ATTENTION OF JULIE TO SHOW THAT A PRESIDENT'S PRECEDENT HAS BEEN HAD BEEN SET WHERE A MUNICIPALITY CREATED AN ORDINANCE REGULATING WATER WELLS. THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF OHIO. IF A WELL IS DRILLED FOR NON-POTABLE PURPOSES, MEANING NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, MEANING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CONNECTED TO A SINK OR TOILET. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WILD WEST RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE COMPLETELY UNREGULATED. THEY CAN BE AS BIG AND DEEP AS THEY WANT AND TAKE AS MUCH WATER AS THEY CAN. SO MY STATE ASSOCIATION IS TRYING TO WORK WITH OTHER ASSOCIATIONS AND OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES RIGHT NOW TO CREATE SOME LEGISLATION TO REGULATE NON-POTABLE WATER WELLS. SO BUT THAT TAKES TIME. BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT COUNCIL HAS CREATED THIS ORDINANCE. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT IN THE ORDINANCE IS A 
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REGULATION ON WELL DIAMETER. BECAUSE IF YOU YOU LEAVE IT THE WAY IT'S WORDED RIGHT NOW, IT, IT YOU LEAVE IT COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE. SO IF YOU LIMIT THE DIAMETER TO TO 5 OR 6IN. THEN YOU WILL LIMIT THE WITHDRAWAL RATE TO, YOU KNOW, 200 GALLONS PER MINUTE. IF YOU LIMIT THE NUMBER OF NON-POTABLE WELLS PER PARCEL TO ONE. SO YOU HAVE ONE FIVE INCH WELL PER PARCEL, YOU'VE GOT 200 GALLONS PER MINUTE PER PARCEL. THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GREATLY ALLEVIATE THE THE CHANCES THAT 12 SECONDS. I JUST WANT TO EIGHT SECONDS OKAY. THAT'S GOING TO ALLEVIATE THE CHANCES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DATA CENTER DRILL A LARGE WITHDRAWAL WELL AND AFFECT OUR NEIGHBORS ON WATKINS ROAD. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. 
          HEARING NONE I THINK COUNCIL HAS SAID QUITE A BIT. IS THERE ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO CHECK? JEREMY, SPEAKING OF AQUIFER CONDITIONS, IS THERE I MEAN, JUST IN GENERAL GOOD PRACTICES OR YOU KNOW, COULD WE THINK OF I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF MONITORING CURRENTLY EXISTS, BUT I THINK JUST IN GENERAL, FROM A CITY'S POINT OF VIEW, WHAT WHAT OCCURS OR COULD WE. 
          YEAH, I'M, I DON'T I'M NOT SURE. I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH OUR WATER SUPERINTENDENT ON WHAT WE DO TO MONITOR IT. I KNOW OUR WATER MASTER PLAN GETS INTO A LOT OF DETAIL OF THE AQUIFER. 
          AND YOU KNOW WHAT CAPACITIES ARE ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE AVAILABLE. BUT YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU, YOU KNOW, DIG A WELL. AND CURRENTLY, AGAIN, WITH THE THIRD OF OUR WATER COMING, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING FROM THAT, WE'RE PULLING ANYWHERE FROM A MILLION LAST WEEK TO 2 MILLION DURING OUR PEAK OUT OF THE OUT OF THE AQUIFER. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO US. SO AGAIN, IN A BIG PICTURE, IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE UP ON RAYMOND ROAD WANTS TO DIG A WELL IN THERE WITHIN THE CITY AND THEY'RE PULLING OUT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED GALLONS OR 200 GALLONS A DAY, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE IMPACT TO TO THE OVERALL WATER AQUIFER, BUT WE WON'T KNOW THAT FOR CERTAIN UNTIL, YOU KNOW, UNTIL ADDITIONAL TESTING IS DONE. 
          OKAY. YEAH. AND I THINK JUST KIND OF HAVING A BASELINE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS WATER LEVEL CHANGE OR I THINK THERE ARE SOME ONLINE MONITORING NETWORKS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY TIE TIE INTO AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING BACK TO THE THE UTILITY CAPACITY BOARD, MAYBE ALSO THINKING, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST INITIALLY SETTING THAT UP, SOMEBODY WITH SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SOME EXPERTISE THAT CAN FACTOR SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE THINGS INTO TO GET IT STARTED OFF. YEAH, I'M SURE IF YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING AQUIFER RELATED WAS BROUGHT IN, WE COULD BRING IN AN EXPERT OF SOME SORT. AND YEAH, I GUESS NOT JUST AQUIFER RELATED FOR THOSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SINCE IT IS SOMETHING NEW FOR US AND I'M SURE A LOT OF PLACES ARE GRAPPLING WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF METHODOLOGY TO KIND OF HELP BALANCE THOSE, YOU KNOW, FACTORS AND COMPETING INTERESTS. THIS THIS WILL BE BACK FOR THIRD READING AND VOTE 
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ON DECEMBER 15TH. ORDINANCE D FIRST READING INTRODUCTION TO AUTHORIZE END OF YEAR SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR MULTIPLE FUNDS AND MODIFY THE 2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY ADMINISTRATION. THIS WILL BE I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BRAD. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS FIRST READING THERE. THIS IS AN ANNUAL FUNCTION THAT WE DO AT THIS TIME OF YEAR. SO DON'T FEEL WILL LAY OUT A LITTLE BIT OF IT TONIGHT, BUT FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND SECOND READING AS WELL. IF I CAN JUMP IN REAL QUICK BEFORE BRAD SPEAKS. THIS IS. SINCE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATION, IT'S EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. AN EMERGENCY IS NOT NEEDED. OKAY. MR. ASLANER, DO WE DO WE NEED TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE THEN TO REMOVE THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE? I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF IT'S FIRST READING, IF YOU'D LIKE TO JUST CLEAN IT UP, YOU CAN DO THAT. THE EMERGENCY REQUIRES A SEPARATE INDEPENDENT VOTE ANYWAY. SO IF YOU JUST IF YOU NEVER VOTED ON IT, IT WOULDN'T BE AN EMERGENCY. IT WOULD JUST BE EFFECTIVE. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE IT'S AN APPROPRIATION. SO IT'S EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. SO IT'S UP TO COUNCIL. WHAT'S YOUR GENERAL PERSPECTIVE ON LIKE 
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SEEING THIS ORDINANCE AND THEN HAVING THE EMERGENCY THERE LIKE FROM AN I JUST YEAH PEOPLE GET CONFUSED. RIGHT. LIKE WHAT WHAT ARE WE DOING. YEAH I FEEL LIKE IT'S FIRST READING. MAYBE LET'S CLEAN IT UP. IF WE DON'T NEED IT, CLEAN IT UP AND AMEND IT, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S OKAY. AND YEAH, IT'S THE BEST TIME TO TO AMEND IS AT FIRST READING ANYWAY. SO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. AND SO IF I MAY THEN I WOULD LIKE TO. GIVEN THESE APPROPRIATIONS ARE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY I'D LIKE TO REMOVE THE. AND DECLARE AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE FROM THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL REMOVE SECTION THREE OF THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. THAT'LL BE PART OF THE MOTION SINCE THAT'S THE TO REMOVE SECTION THREE OF THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S A MOTION TO AMEND. THAT'S ON THE TABLE. THAT'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE. 
          OKAY. YEAH. ROLL CALL MISS KRAMER. YES, MR. BORDNER. YES, MR. WOLFE? YES. MR. BURBY. YES. 
          SORRY, MR. BURGER. YES. MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REAMES. YES. SEVEN. YES. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL YOURS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. SO, YEAH. AS TERRY SAID, THESE ARE PRETTY NORMAL AT THIS TIME OF YEAR. WE HAVE A LOT OF LINE ITEMS THAT JUST KIND OF ESPECIALLY AS IT APPLIES TO PAYROLL LINE ITEMS THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PROJECT OUT PERFECTLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, THINGS LIKE MEDICAL INSURANCE AND WHATNOT OR INSURANCE COSTS AND VARIOUS THINGS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY LET THOSE ACCUMULATE TILL WE GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR. WE HAVE A VERY GOOD IDEA. OBVIOUSLY, AT THIS POINT, WHAT THEY ARE, NOVEMBER'S KIND OF OVER. 
          THERE'S STILL SOME EXPENSES AND REVENUES THAT COULD COME THROUGH. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. WITH ONLY TWO PAYROLLS LEFT AND ONE MONTH OF NON PAYROLL EXPENDITURES, WHAT WE HAVE LEFT TO GO. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE I'VE SPLIT THIS UP INTO TWO PARTS SUPPLEMENTALS AND TRANSFERS. TRANSFERS THAT I CAN MAKE ARE THOSE ONES THAT ARE WITHIN THE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PIECE OF PAPER HERE UNDER THE OBJECT CODES, IF I'M MOVING MONEY IN BETWEEN 52, 57, 53, WHATEVER IT IS, I CAN DO THAT INTERNALLY. BUT WHEN WE MOVE MONEYS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT OBJECT CODES, THAT'S WHEN COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE THOSE. SO THE TRANSFERS ON THE SECOND PAGE, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. AND THE FIRST PAGE ARE SUPPLEMENTALS. THE SUPPLEMENTALS ARE THE ONES THAT YOU KNOW ARE THEY AREN'T AMOUNTS THAT I CAN FEEL LIKE I CAN COVER IN THE CURRENT FUNDING. BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE BEING ABLE TO MOVE THOSE FROM OTHER EXPENDITURES, HOWEVER, THERE IS SUFFICIENT FUND BALANCE TO MOVE MONIES INTO THESE LINE ITEMS. AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IN YOUR FY 25 PROJECTIONS, THAT WAS IN THAT WAS IN YOUR BUDGET TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY DID WE END THIS YEAR AT AN APPROPRIATE FUND BALANCE, WE ENDED NEXT YEAR ON AN APPROPRIATE FUND BALANCE. 
          EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE NUMBERS WAS IN THOSE PROJECTIONS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THESE AREN'T ADDED TO WHAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK. AS A MATTER OF FACT, A LOT OF THESE, BY DESIGN, ARE LESS THAN WHAT IS IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK FOR EXPENDITURES. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, I WANT TO PROJECT ON THE HIGH SIDE WITH EXPENDITURES. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE AGAIN, MOST OF THESE THAT ARE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL SIDE, A LOT OF THEM ARE RELATED TO HEALTH INSURANCE. THERE ARE A COUPLE FOR TRANSITIONS OF EMPLOYEES. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A TRANSITION WHERE WE TOOK ONE POSITION AND SPLIT IT OUT INTO TWO BETWEEN STREETS. WE DID WE PAID MORE TO THE SCHOOLS FOR THE PROPERTY TAX COLLECTIONS FOR THE TIF. 
          THAT IS AN ITEM THAT'S IN HERE, SOME SMALL ITEMS. YOU KNOW, WE GOT SOME MONEYS FROM ONE OHIO TO PURCHASE A HEALTH MONITOR FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN THERE. SO WE GOT GRANTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. OTHERS THAT ARE IN HERE ARE FOR AGENCY FUNDS. THOSE ARE THE NINE HUNDREDS. SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN AGENCY FUND FOR THE JEROME TIF. AND WE WERE ABLE TO TRANSFER MORE MONEY NOT ONLY TO THE TIF FUND, BUT TO SEND MONEY TO OUR THE AGENCIES OF WHICH WE ARE ONE OF THE RECIPIENTS. SO WE HAD TO INCREASE THAT INCOME TAX, 
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CONTRACT SHARE AND AUDIT COSTS FOR THE COG. SO SOME OF THE OTHER BIGGER ONES IN HERE, WE DID HAVE SOME UTILITY COSTSCREAE TALKED A LOT ABOUT UTILITIES TONIGHT. I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN WHETHER THAT'S GAS OR ELECTRIC. BUT OBVIOUSLY THOSE HAVE GONE UP. SO THAT'S ONE OF THEM. WE DID HAVE $150,000 FOR CHEMICALS TO OPERATE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND LIKE I SAID, THE SCHOOL WAS ANOTHER QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS. BUT THE BIGGEST ONE, OF COURSE, IS FOR TRANSFERS. SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER THAT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. SO WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSFERS, WE HAD SOME ITEMS THAT AGAIN, WE HAD AN IDEA THAT WE WANTED TO DO THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, SOME OF THESE, BUT AT THE END WE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL WE HAD THE MONEY. SO ONE OF THOSE IS PAYING MORE DOWN ON DEBT SERVICE. SO WE PAID MORE DOWN ON PRINCIPAL. 
          WELL, WE KNEW WE WANTED TO DO THAT, BUT IF WE HAD, THAT DEPENDED ON SELLING OF THE LAND AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S IN HERE. THAT'S ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES. ANOTHER ONE IS THE CAPITAL RESERVE FUND. AS DISCUSSED. WE WANTED TO TAKE SOME OF THAT AMAZON MONEY, MOVE IT TO THE CAPITAL RESERVE FUND. I'M DOING THAT IN 2025 BECAUSE IT MAKES EXPENDITURES LOOK BETTER IN 2026. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY BALANCE BETTER. IF WE MOVE THAT 2 MILLION OVER IT INCREASES THOSE EXPENDITURES. IT JUST LOOKS A LITTLE WEIRD. WE HAVE THE MONEY NOW. LET'S DO THE TRANSFER NOW. SO THAT'S 2 MILLION RIGHT THERE. ANOTHER ONE WAS THE. SO WE TALKED ABOUT DEBT SERVICE. OH JUST THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. SO WE CARRY OVER APPROPRIATIONS ON PROJECTS. BUT WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE IN A CASH BASIS. SO IN OTHER WORDS THEY'RE ENCUMBERED. SO I KNOW THEY COULD BE SPENT, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE EXPENDITURES WILL BE. SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOME INCREASE TO CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT HAPPEN BASED ON CARRYOVER PROJECTS FROM THE PRIOR YEAR. 
          ANOTHER BIG ONE WAS THE STREET TREE FUND. WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED 160 000 TRANSFERS. IT ENDED UP GOING UP TO 415,000. BUT WE DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS AND WE BROUGHT THAT DOWN TO A MORE I DON'T WANT TO SAY REASONABLE. THAT'S NOT FAIR, BUT JUST A NUMBER THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAD DONE IN PRIOR YEARS. SO SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY SCHEDULED IN 2026 AT THIS TIME, UNLESS THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE 2026 BUDGET YOU WANTED TO MAKE LATER. AND THEN ANOTHER, ANOTHER LARGE ONE WAS THE STATE ROUTE 31 FUND. SO WE HAD THAT WAS A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT. BUT INITIALLY THE PLAN, I THOUGHT THE PLAN WAS THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING MONEY FROM ODOT. BUT KYLE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE HAD IT DEDUCTED FROM YEAH, WE HAD ODOT PAY OUR CONTRACTOR DIRECTLY. SO IN OTHER WORDS, OUR SHARE WAS STILL DUE AND WE WERE PAYING IT BUT THOUGHT IT'D BE REIMBURSED. BUT IT ISN'T. 
          THAT WAS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF ON THE BACK END. SO AGAIN WE HAD TO TRANSFER MONEY INTO THAT TIF FUND OR NOT TIF FUND INTO THE STATE ROUTE 31 FUND TO JUST BALANCE IT OUT BASED ON WHAT WE GOT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE GOT THE REIMBURSEMENT JUST PAID DIRECTLY INSTEAD OF GETTING IT IN OUR FUND AND THEN CANCELING OUT SOME EXPENDITURES. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE SPENT LESS THAN WE THOUGHT OVERALL. BUT I HAD A LINE ITEM IN THERE EXPECTING SOME REIMBURSEMENT. DIDN'T GET IT. NOW WE HAVE TO CANCEL THAT OUT. SO THOSE ARE THE TRANSFERS. AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER IS SUCH A BIG SUPPLEMENTAL. BUT KEEP IN MIND AGAIN THIS WAS IN THE 2025 OR 2026 BUDGET. SO AGAIN THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FUND BALANCES AT ALL. AND THEN AS WE'VE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES IN OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY AS IT APPLIES TO THE GENERAL FUND AND OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND SECURITY PERSONS AND PROPERTY, WE KNOW THAT OVERALL, THOSE FUNDS ARE DOING FINE. THE EXPENDITURES ARE IN LINE WITH WHERE WE WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD BE. STILL DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED TO DOESN'T DON'T NEED TO TRANSFER SOMETIMES BETWEEN LINE ITEMS TO MAKE THAT ALL BALANCE. SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE MOST OF THOSE TRANSFERS ARE IS JUST AGAIN THE TOTAL FUND IS SPENDING. EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD HOPE IT WOULD SPEND IS JUST MAYBE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE PART TIME EXPENDITURES, PARTICULARLY IN THE POOL FUND, BUT THEY SPENT LESS THAN EXPECTED ON MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES. SO OBVIOUSLY HAVING MORE PART TIMERS WORK AT THE POOL, MORE POOL HOURS, THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE MORE EFFICIENT WITH THEIR MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES. SO WE JUST GO AHEAD, MOVE THAT UP THERE. I DON'T HAVE TO INCREASE THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO SUPPLEMENT THE POOL FUND ANY MORE THAN WE ALREADY ARE. SO IN THE END, THAT'S VERY GOOD BUDGET. WE'RE RIGHT WHERE WE WANT TO BE. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE TRANSFER SECTION AGAIN, BECAUSE I NEED YOU GUYS TO APPROVE THOSE, BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING THEM FROM, SAY, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES TO 
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PAYROLL OR SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE MOVING FROM PAYROLL DOWN TO TECHNICAL SERVICES AND SO FORTH. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE ALL AT I WOULD EXPECT. NOW REMEMBER I SAID THE MONTH IS MOSTLY OVER, BUT NOT QUITE. SO I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF I HAD SENT SOMETHING TO MACKENZIE THAT WILL BE SENT OUT WHERE ONCE THIS MONTH IS CLOSED, I MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE A FEW OF THESE NUMBERS. IT'LL JUST DEPEND ON AGAIN WHERE EVERYTHING ENDS. SO I WOULD FULLY EXPECT US TO HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT AT SECOND READING, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ALREADY PUBLIC HEARING, SO I ASSUME THAT DOESN'T REALLY CAUSE US TO HAVE. OR DO WE END UP DOING TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS? I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT. YEAH. THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE. YEAH. SO BUT AGAIN THAT MONTH SHOULD BE CLOSED BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. AND SO AS SOON AS I HAVE THOSE FINAL NUMBERS I'LL SEND THEM OUT. BUT AGAIN THESE WOULD JUST BE LITTLE CHANGES HERE. AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES BECAUSE AGAIN, THE AMOUNTS I ALREADY KNEW PROJECTED OUT PRETTY FAR IN ADVANCE AGAIN ABOUT BEGINNING OF OCTOBER. SO. THERE YOU HAVE IT. ANYBODY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR EMAILS OR MEETINGS OR ANY OF THE ABOVE? I THINK FOR ME, JUST IN GENERAL, WAIT UNTIL THE NOVEMBER MONTH CLOSE AND THEN GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR AT SECOND READING. SO I'LL WAIT TO HEAR PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE DECEMBER 1ST, MAYBE END OF THIS WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK WITH NOVEMBER FINAL GET YOU GIVE YOU A COUPLE DAYS TO CLOSE THE BOOKS ON NOVEMBER AND THEN THEN WE CAN FOLLOW UP. MAYBE. MAYBE NEXT WEEK. SOUNDS GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE? MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO WAIVE THIRD READING. OKAY. ROLL CALL. 
          MR. BORDNER. YES, MR. WOLFE? YES, MR. BURPEE. YES. MR. BERGER YES. MR. HUNTER YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS. CRAMER YES. MOTION CARRIED. MOTION. MOTION READING. OKAY. ANY. YEAH. BACK FOR A SECOND READING. PUBLIC COMMENT. DECEMBER 15TH. YES. ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2025. SORRY, GUYS. IT'S RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME. I CAN'T READ IT. THE COMMENTS FROM CITY MANAGER. 
          [ COMMENTS OF THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL PERSONS AND GENERAL DISCUSSION]
THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL PASS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL WILL START WITH. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'LL PASS THIS EVENING. YEAH, I WILL ALSO PASS MR. BURBY. OH, GETS TO BE MY TURN. YEAH. OKAY. LET ME SEE HERE THEN. HERE WE STARTED AT SEVEN. SO THAT'S OH, ABOUT 2.5 HOURS. AND IF YOU TRY TO ENCAPSULATE AND ENVISION WHERE THE FUTURE OF AMERICA IS GOING TO. YEAH. AMAZON TODAY. YEAH. TODAY IS. CYBER MONDAY WHERE PEOPLE DO SHOPPING AND JUST AMAZON ALONE. YEAH. THEY ARE ORDERING 536,000 ORDERS PER HOUR. SO WHILE WE HAVE BEEN BUSY HERE TALKING ABOUT CITY BUSINESS. YEAH, AMAZON AT ABOUT 1.23, ABOUT 1.3 MILLION ORDERS COMING IN DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. YEAH. SO YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE THAT WITH JUST A SMALL COG IN THE WHEEL FOR AMAZON BY THE BUILDING, BECAUSE OURS IS NOT GOING TO BE ENTERING ORDERS. 
          OURS IS GOING TO BE CLOUD. AND BUT WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, OUR DATA CENTERS IS GOING TO BE A SIGN OF THE FUTURE. YEAH. AND IT'LL BE UP TO US TO POSITION OURSELVES SAFELY. YEAH. FOR THE NEXT 25, 30 YEARS UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP. YEAH, BUT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE THERE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT. YEAH, IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT. AND IT'S JUST MIND BOGGLING TO ME THAT THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY HAVE THE FACILITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO GET IT IN AND OUT. YEAH. AND WE, WE ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THAT. SO LET'S THINK CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT HOW CAN 
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WE DO THIS SAFELY. YEAH. IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. IT'S ONLY GOING TO ACCELERATE AND WE ARE GOING TO BE PART OF THAT. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO SKIP DOWN AND GO MISS KRAMER OKAY OKAY MR. REAMS, I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR A FEW DAYS VISITING FAMILY, AND IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK IN MARYSVILLE AS ALWAYS. MR. HUNTER. YEAH, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PUMPKIN DASH. DON'T LOOK AT MY TIME, BUT APPRECIATIVE OF THE. ALL THE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN PUTTING THAT EVENT ON. IT WENT REALLY WELL. IT WAS COLD, BUT IT WENT REALLY WELL. YESTERDAY I HAD A PERSON COME TO MY DOORSTEP AND THEY WERE ASKING ME TO SIGN A PETITION. IT WAS A MEMBER OF THE SMART COALITION. MAYBE YOU KNOW HIM, BUT I WAS I WAS APPROACHED BY A MEMBER SAYING, WE YOU SIGN A PETITION. AND IT WAS TO LOWER THE THRESHOLD FOR DOING A REFERENDUM. AND I THINK INITIALLY THE CONVERSATION HAD STARTED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, PRO SMART GROWTH. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M PRO SMART GROWTH TOO. SO LET'S TALK. BUT I WOULD SAY THIS KIND OF IDEA OF LOWERING THE THRESHOLD FOR GETTING THE REQUIRED SIGNATURES TO CREATE A REFERENDUM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WAS POSED TO ME BY, I THINK, MAYBE A MEMBER OF THE SMART COALITION SOME TIME AGO. AND MY VIEWPOINT THEN WAS, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT CONTRADICTORY AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO SAY, LIKE, DON'T TRUST THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, DON'T TRUST THE VOTERS AND WHO THEY PUT IN THE OFFICE. HAVING BEEN IN THE SEAT NOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE JUST COUNTLESS HOURS THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN MEETINGS. THE PUBLIC MEETINGS ARE ONE PIECE OF IT, BUT THERE'S ALSO COUNTLESS HOURS THAT I'VE ENGAGED WITH CITY STAFF, ENGAGED WITH RESIDENTS, LEARNING ABOUT THE DETAIL OF ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY VOTE ON. SO, YOU KNOW, WHERE I STAND ON THIS IS REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, MAYBE YOU CAN'T SAY THIS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, I FEEL AS IF, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT ONE BEING ELECTED, BUT TWO, JUST DOING YOUR PART IN SERVING. AND I FEEL AS IF I HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO DO DUE DILIGENCE AND HEAR VARYING PERSPECTIVES. AND IT'S DEFINITELY NOT ALWAYS A PERSPECTIVE THAT RESONATES WITH EVERYONE. I REMEMBER BEING TOLD WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED THAT I WAS IN A HONEYMOON PERIOD, AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT, AND IT SIMPLY MEANT THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION YET. AND ONCE YOU MAKE THAT VERY FIRST DECISION, NOW NOT EVERYONE'S BEHIND YOU BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PLEASE, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO PLEASE. AND IT JUST AS AS TIME HAS GONE BY, I JUST I SEE VALUE IN CONSIDERING THOSE THAT ARE IN THE THE SEAT OF AN ELECTED OFFICE AND BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE MOST INFORMED DECISION POSSIBLE ON THE OUTSIDE. KIND OF LOOKING IN TO SOME OF THESE DECISIONS. IT'S, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL PERSPECTIVES. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PHRASE WE USE AT WORK, IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT DEROGATORY. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT, BUT THE THE MEAT OF IT IS WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS. AND YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS AND EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO HAVE THEIR OPINION. AND I APPRECIATE THE INDIVIDUAL COMING TO MY DOOR YESTERDAY, GOING THROUGH A PROCESS THAT THAT IS THERE BECAUSE IT'S A PROCESS THAT EXISTS. THAT'S HOW YOU GO ABOUT MAKING A CHANGE. 
          WHETHER OR NOT I AGREE WITH THE CHANGE OR NOT, THAT'S ANOTHER THING. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, FOOD FOR THOUGHT AS AS TIME MOVES FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FACED WITH MORE AND MORE DECISIONS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S AMAZING TO ME IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS DONALD TRUMP GAVE THE BILLIONAIRES A $5 TRILLION TAX BREAK. ELON MUSK AND ALL THESE PEOPLE AND RESIDENTS ARE COMING TO THE LOCAL LEVEL DEMANDING US TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP THEM. WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY. IF YOU REALLY AND WHEN THE STATE GIVES HUGE TAX SUBSIDIES TO INTEL TO LOCATE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, TO YOUR STATE, AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING, AND THEN SO, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, BUT THEN WE OUR DUE DILIGENCE IS TO STUDY THE INFORMATION AND, AND TALK TO THE EXPERTS AT PLAY AND PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND FOR THE LAST 200 YEARS, THIS TOWN HAS DONE THAT AND DONE PRETTY 
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GOOD JOB OF IT, BECAUSE IT'S A COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED TO BE HERE AND CONTINUES TO WANT TO BE HERE. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SAID IF HONDA WANTED TO LOCATE HERE, AND THEY WANTED TO CREATE A REFERENDUM TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT THEM. CAN YOU IMAGINE? THIS TOWN WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD, AND THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ON FACEBOOK WOULD NEVER HAVE A PLACE TO BE ON FACEBOOK BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE LIVING. IT'S REALLY HARD TO HAVE PASSION FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AND WANT TO INSPIRE PEOPLE TO RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE. WHEN YOU HAVE A SMALL MINORITY OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY JUST WANT TO BURN THE HOUSE DOWN, AND ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS YOU'RE SITTING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND GOOD LUCK. 
          DEMOCRACY WON'T STAND. AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT IF YOU PUT PEOPLE IN PLACE THAT ARE SHEEP, THAT ARE AFRAID OF THE 300 VOTES IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO OVERRIDE THE MAJORITY OF AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE, AND YOU WANT THEM TO BE AT YOUR YOUR BECK AND CALL. LOOK AT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE. EVENTUALLY PEOPLE GIVE UP AND THEY WALK AWAY, AND THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY GOOD REPRESENTATION. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AS A SOCIETY. PEOPLE ARE UPSET. THEY'RE ANGRY. THEY FEEL LIKE THERE'S NO HOPE. AND THE DIRECTION OF OUR COUNTRY AND SOCIAL MEDIA IS FUELING THE FLAMES. IT'S GIVING PEOPLE ANXIETY. IT'S ATTACKING PEOPLE. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOUR ELECTED LEADERS LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. THEY PAY THE SAME RATES AS EVERYBODY ELSE. YOU GET TO SEE US IN THE GROCERY STORES AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE LIKE MR. HUNTER SAID. AND, YOU KNOW, I GIVE CREDIT TO PEOPLE WHO'VE SERVED LONGER THAN I HAVE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS FOR EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE, YOU'RE ALWAYS UPSETTING SOMEBODY. AND YOUR JOB IS TO, YOU KNOW, DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO EDUCATE. BUT IT'S ALSO THE VOTERS JOB TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, WHY DID YOU VOTE THIS WAY OR, OR OR WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? BUT WE LIVE IN A TIME WHERE PEOPLE THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE IN PUBLIC OFFICE, YOU CAN BE TREATED HOWEVER THEY DEEM YOU TO BE TREATED, AND IT'S COMING FROM THE TOP ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM. AND IT'S BEEN THIS WAY FOR 20 YEARS. IT'S JUST GETTING WORSE. SO. BUT MARYSVILLE WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT IT'S ALWAYS DONE. AND I STILL BELIEVE IN GOOD PEOPLE DOING GOOD THINGS AT THE RIGHT TIME. AND I BELIEVE THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THIS COMMUNITY WILL CONTINUE TO SUCCEED AND CONTINUE TO BE A COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE IN BECAUSE AS THIS SEAT DOES NOT BELONG TO ME, I'M JUST I'M JUST A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF LEADERS, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONES. THE PREVIOUS LEADERS GAVE ME THE ABILITY TO SERVE, AND I'M PROUD TO SERVE. AND JUST LIKE I KNOW, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US ARE PROUD TO SERVE, AND WE AND I KNOW THERE BE A NEXT GROUP OF LEADERS WHO WILL DO MORE THAN 
          [THE POTENTIAL TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY AND TO CONSIDER THE EMPLOYMENT OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE]
WHAT WE'VE WE'VE DONE. SO AND IN SAYING THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO REJOIN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PENDING. LEGISLATION AND TO CONSIDER THE EMPLOYMENT OF AND PUBLIC EMPLOYEE. MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE DISCUSSION OF PENDING LITIGATION AND CONSIDERING THE EMPLOYMENT OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? ROLL CALL, MR. WOLF. YES, MR. BARBIE? YES, MR. BERGER. 
          YES, MR. HUNTER. YES. MR. REAMES YES. MISS CRAMER YES. MR. BORDNER YES. COUNCIL
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