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          EVENING. TONIGHT IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2ND, 2025 AT 6:32 P.M. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MISS LAUB HERE. MR. ENGEL HAS BEEN EXCUSED FOR THE EVENING. MR. FISHER. HERE, MR. NICKERSON HERE, MISS VARGAS HERE. MR. STILLMAN HERE. MR. WOLLOWITZ HERE. JUST IN TIME. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS THE APPROVAL 
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OF THE MINUTES FOR THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING. HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW? AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? CONCERNS? CHANGES? SEEING NONE. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING. THANK YOU, MR. PURVIS. EVERYONE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? 
          [SWEARING OF CITIZENS & APPLICANTS]
THE SAME. AT THIS TIME WE WILL BE SWEARING IN THE CITIZENS. SO IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU MAY BE SPEAKING AT ANY POINT THIS EVENING, WE ASK THAT YOU STAND. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. I WILL READ AN OATH. AND THEN YOU SIGNAL BY SAYING I WILL. SO DO YOU DECLARE THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH. UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION. YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. 
          SO IF THERE ARE ANY CITIZENS HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM, WE ASK THAT YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK. SEEING NONE, MOVE ON TO THE REPORT OF THE ADMINISTRATION. NONE AT THIS 
          [1. To hear an application for multiple Amendments to a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Development Plan for a development known as Cooks Pointe PUD.]
TIME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE JUST THE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR NEW BUSINESS IS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR MULTIPLE AMENDMENTS TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS COOK POINTS PUD. IS THERE A PRESENTER HERE TO WALK US THROUGH THE CHANGES? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE CHRIS WINKEL. WINKEL PARTNERS 19 541 DELAWARE COUNTY LINE ROAD, MARYSVILLE. ALL RIGHT, SO IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, WE CAME BACK HERE. WE WERE HERE PROBABLY, PROBABLY ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR WHEN WE CAME IN AND DID THE THE CHANGE OF USE TO ADD IN CHILD CARE TO D1 BACK THEN AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. AND SOME WERE INVOLVED IN CONVERSATIONS THERE THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE THE WHOLE PUD AND GET EVERYTHING DONE. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT PROJECT IS, YOU KNOW, KIDDY ACADEMY, WHICH IS HAVE YOU BEEN BY THERE? IT'S, YOU KNOW, UNDER CONSTRUCTION GOING PRETTY WELL. SO THIS IS OUR COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS IN ORDER TO CLEAN UP AND SIMPLIFY THE COOK'S POINT PUD. SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THE COOK'S POINT PUD HAS BEEN OUT HERE SINCE 2000. 
          THE LAST REVISION WAS IN OCTOBER OF 2008. SO IT'S BEEN 17 YEARS. SO AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT BACK THEN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. IT'S NOT MUCH, YOU KNOW, GOING ON. SO IN REVIEWING THE IN REVIEWING THE PUD AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT BACK IN 2000, IF YOU READ THE WHOLE PREAMBLE AND EVERYTHING IN THERE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, IT WAS SET UP TO BE OFFICE BUILDING AND ORIENTED AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. 
          AND AS WE TALKED, NOBODY'S BUILDING OFFICE BUILDINGS ANYMORE. YOU KNOW, THE HOSPITALS ARE ABOUT THE ONLY ONES DOING IT. SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE WHOLE THE WHOLE PUD, THE PUD AS A WHOLE. AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, STAFF CAN AGREE WITH IT WITH US IN TIME. IT WAS CUMBERSOME TO READ AND UNDERSTAND AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU SOME OF THE USES WRITTEN IN THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, NON PERMITTED USES. I THINK IN ONE SECTION HAD 84 NON PERMITTED USES LISTED IN IT AND EVERYTHING. SO IT WAS HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS THERE, WHAT WAS NOT. AND EACH, EACH ONE OF THE SECTIONS HAD THEIR OWN SEPARATE LITTLE LANDSCAPE SECTION AND SIGNAGE SECTION AND EVERYTHING. SO WHEN WE CAME IN HERE TO TACKLE THIS, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO IS WE WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT EVERYTHING AND THEN TRIED TO CONDENSE IT ALL DOWN, PUT THE LANDSCAPING IN ITS OWN SECTION, YOU KNOW, PUT THE SIGNAGE IN ITS OWN SECTION. SO IT WAS EASY FOR US, NOT ONLY US, BUT ALSO OUR BUYERS AND EVERYBODY YOU KNOW WHO ARE COMING IN THERE TO UNDERSTAND IT, STAFF TO UNDERSTAND IT AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. SO AS WELL AS THAT, WE MET WITH STAFF AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THE USES AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, WHERE WE'RE BRINGING IT FOR YOU INTO. HERE'S AN UPDATED WHERE WE'VE TAKEN EVEN IN THOSE LANDSCAPE SECTIONS. IN THE OTHER SECTIONS, WE ALSO CREATED THE GENERAL STANDARDS WHERE CITY STANDARDS NOW FOR SIDEWALK IS FIVE FEET PUD. IT WAS FOR TEN FEET FOR YOUR MULTI USE. WE WENT BACK AND CLEANED ALL THAT STUFF UP AT THE SAME TIME YOU KNOW. BUT THE BIG CHANGES WAS 
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THE USES YOU KNOW THE USES WERE PAGES LONG YOU KNOW. AND SO IN TALKING TO STAFF AND EVERYBODY ABOUT IT AND WHAT IS IN THAT AREA, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMON USE IN THAT OR COMMON ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN THAT AREA IS THE SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. 
          SO WE WENT AND COMPARED THAT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT USES TO THE USES THAT WE ENDED UP HAVING IN HERE. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF DUPLICATES. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT BREAKS DOWN A BARBERSHOP VERSUS A BEAUTY SHOP, YOU KNOW, WHICH GETS COVERED UNDER GENERAL BUSINESS AND EVERYTHING UNDER YOURS. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE CAME IN THERE AND AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE USING THE CITY FROM YOUR CODE. SO WE ENDED UP GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE ONES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S PERMITTED IN THERE, MAXED IT INTO OUR LOOKED AT OUR LIST AND SAID, OKAY, COMPARING THE TWO LISTS AND SAID, OKAY, IF IT'S A THE BARBERSHOP IS INCLUDED IN THERE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT INTO OUR PERMITTED USES. ADDING EXTRA. SO THIS EXTRA LIST HERE IS OBVIOUSLY ABBREVIATED, AND IT IS ABBREVIATED INTO INCLUDING THE ONES THAT WERE NOT IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE NOT IN YOURS, BUT WERE ALSO BUT WERE IN OUR OUR ORIGINAL PUD THAT WE WANTED TO KEEP IN. SO WE JUST KEPT THOSE IN THE LIST AND THEN WE JUST MODERNIZED SOME OF THEM. SO SOME OF THEM ARE SENIOR LIVING, WHICH REALLY WASN'T COVERED IN BEFORE. SO WE ADDED THAT IN AS A THE VERBIAGE, IT WAS KIND OF CONFUSING HOW IT WAS WITH HOW IT WAS GOT CLASSIFIED BEFORE. SO WE USED THE TERMINOLOGY THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY WERE USING IN YOURS AND SAY, HEY, WE WANTED TO HAVE IT IN THAT SECTION. AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SECTIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, UP HERE, WE HAVE A ONE IN HERE. WELL, A-1 WAS INTENDED TO BE A FREEWAY, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A FREEWAY BUSINESS DISTRICT. BUT WHEN YOU REALLY ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE AND THE LOCATION OF THAT AND LABELING IT AND SAYING USES ARE GOING TO GO THERE FOR A FREEWAY, AND YOU FIGURE THAT THEY HAVE TO GO ALMOST A HALF A MILE AROUND IN ORDER TO GET TO THEIR BUSINESS. FREEWAY BUSINESSES AREN'T GOING TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT THAT. THEY WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO PULL OFF AND DO IT. AND THE REASON IT'S THAT LONG IS YOU GOT TO GO TO SCOTTS FARM DRIVE TO TURN OFF THAT LIGHT THERE, GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE POND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OVER TO THEIR SITE. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE THAT ANYBODY IS GOING TO GO IN THERE. SO WE ADDED AND CHANGED SOME OF THOSE INTO GO AND ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL FLAIR TO IT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE CLARK DEVELOPMENT THERE, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE THAT WE COULD DO A RESIDENTIAL PIECE THAT WOULD MAKE IT A SOFTER, YOU KNOW, IMPACT OR SOFTER ON THAT AREA AT THE SAME TIME AS, YOU KNOW, BEING IT MORE USABLE AND STUFF LIKE THAT ALONG THERE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A HEAVY COMMERCIAL USE ON THAT SIDE. AT THE SAME TIME, WE DID THE SAME THING WITH THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE B-1 DISTRICT ON THAT SIDE. YOU KNOW, WE DID DO THINGS AS WE WENT IN THERE AND SAYING, HEY, B-1 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR A GAS STATION. SO SCD MIGHT HAVE LEFT IT IN, BUT WE MADE SURE TO TAKE IT OUT, YOU KNOW. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO DO THAT. AND WE DID THAT WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS LIKE THE D1 AND D2 THAT ARE SITTING ALONG STATE ROUTE FOUR. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A HOTEL THERE, PUT THEM BACK IN THE C DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. SO WE ALLOWED THEM TO BE ABLE TO COME INTO THERE, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM OUT FRONT. IT'S NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW. IT SHOULD BE. WE NEED THE THE GAS STATION USES AND SOME OF IT IN THERE. AND THAT'S THE GAS STATION USES IS ANOTHER ONE. IT WAS DIFFERENT CODE SECTIONS. ENDED UP READING DIFFERENT THINGS OF WHAT THEY WERE CALLING IT, WHAT SOME WERE CALLING IT A SERVICE STATION, SOME WERE CALLING IT A GAS STATION. SO THAT WAS THE INCONSISTENCY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID. AND SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE BACK IN AND MOVE THEM AROUND. SO AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT. YOU KNOW, THE. AND THE ORIGINAL PUD HAD NO CONDITIONAL USES IN IT. IT IT HAD THREE I THINK DEVELOPMENT. THEY ONLY SAID LINES WERE BUSINESS BUSINESSES OTHER THAN LISTED IS ALL IT DID. SO THAT WAS YOU KNOW OUR FEELING ON A PUD IS A PUD IS YOU KNOW IS NOT FOR CONDITIONAL USES. WE'RE HERE WITH THE PUD BECAUSE WE DIVIDED IT INTO SECTIONS. WE'RE PERMITTING CERTAIN THINGS IN CERTAIN SECTIONS. SO YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY ELIMINATED THAT, YOU KNOW. AND IT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT. WE READ THE I READ THAT AS THAT WAS THE INTENT BEFORE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE KEPT THAT IN, IN, IN THAT RESPECT, YOU KNOW. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT WERE CONFUSING AT THE SAME TIME. AGAIN, IF THE SETBACK WAS LISTED IN YOURS, WE LEFT IT ALONE. SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT. SO IT WASN'T CONFUSING FOR ANYBODY ALONG THOSE LINES. THE MULTIFAMILY, WE MADE IT A SECTION ON ITS OWN YOU KNOW. SO WE HAVE THE MULTI SECTION. WE HAVE THE MULTIFAMILY THAT'S OUT THERE IN SUBAREA E THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY. YOU KNOW. SO WE TOOK THOSE SAME STANDARDS AND MADE THEM THE STANDARD. SO ANYBODY THAT COMES IN MULTIFAMILY OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE EXACT SAME STANDARDS. SO 
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WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS VERY CLEAR TO THEM THAT, HEY, THESE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT WE SET UP FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT THEY WOULD END UP NO MATTER WHAT SECTION THEY WENT IN OR WHEREVER THEY WENT. THOSE ARE THE SECTIONS THAT THEY END UP HAVING TO FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WERE PRETTY DETAILED. THEY WERE PRETTY DETAILED OUT INTO WHAT ENDED UP BEING THERE. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW WE DID. WE CLEANED UP SOME PAPERWORK AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, I CAN'T REMEMBER. I LOOKED AT ONE POINT, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY PAGES WE WENT FROM TO DOWN TO IN ORDER TO CONDENSE IT DOWN, BUT THAT WAS OUR MAIN GOAL, WAS TO JUST CLEAN IT UP WITH A COUPLE OF THE LITTLE THINGS THERE. GET THE USES MORE IN LINE WITH MODERN DAY AND AND INTO YOUR MODERN STANDARDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WELL, I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF CHANGES. SO PROBABLY THE BEST WAY IS TO TO STEP THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SECTION BY SECTION, I MEAN, I I'LL JUST SAY OFF THE BAT, LIKE I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT OF. NOT HAVING CONDITIONAL USES BECAUSE PUD BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY PERMITTED USES LISTED, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN YOU KNOW, ALREADY HAS A PLAN OR IS TALKING WITH PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THERE, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COUPLE OF OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE 20 LISTED, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 20. I, I KIND OF LEAN TOWARDS AND KNOW THE CITY MADE SIMILAR COMMENT OF LISTEN TO SOME OF HIS CONDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT MAY BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. OKAY. CAN YOU I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR AN EXPLANATION ON THAT. SO I KNOW HOW TO ANSWER A CASE BY CASE BECAUSE WHERE EXACTLY IT IS IN THAT SUBAREA, WHAT IS UP AGAINST IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S WE HAVE TWO ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT WERE COMPETITORS. OR AGAIN, I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH THAT ACTUALLY. YEAH. I MEAN LIKE IF WE IF THAT'S NOT WHAT SOME THE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT, YOU KNOW THAT WOULD WE WOULD THEN LOOK AT IT AS A CONDITIONAL USE. YEAH. SERVICE STATION NEXT TO A SCHOOL OR JUST A BAR NEXT TO A CHILDCARE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW OUR CODE HAS CONDITIONAL USES FOR A REASONS. OH YEAH. YOU KNOW, AND WE, WE LIKE THE PUDS TO KIND OF FOLLOW OUR ZONING WITH, YOU KNOW, THOSE TWEAKS THAT YOU HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. WE DID. AND THAT'S WHY WE TOOK GAS STATIONS OUT OF CERTAIN AREAS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE AN OPTION. SO THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE AN OPTION TO COME AS A CONDITIONAL USE, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO GAS STATION IN, IN I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE B'S AT ALL. I THINK WE TOOK IT COMPLETELY OUT OF THE B SECTIONS. YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY ALLOWED IN THE D SECTIONS, YOU KNOW, IN THE C'S, WHICH ARE ALL ON A MAJOR ROUTE, WHICH ISN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO HOTELS IN THERE. THERE'S NO MULTIFAMILY. NO. SO WE DIDN'T ALLOW MULTIFAMILY. NO. SO THAT GETS THAT FOR ME AND THE CONDITIONAL USE, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR ME IN THE CONDITIONAL USE IS SAYING A GAS STATION NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL USE, THAT YOU DON'T REALLY WANT IT RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND EVERYTHING. WELL, WE'VE DONE THAT BY MOVING THAT STUFF AROUND AND NOT ALLOWING IT IN B1 OR ALLOWING IT IN B A1, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE THAT ONES THAT WE'RE CONCENTRATING ON, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE GOING TO BE HEAVY, HEAVY THAT USE. WE'VE ALREADY GONE AND SEPARATED THOSE IN THERE INSTEAD OF HAVING A CONDITIONAL USE. AND THAT WAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK. THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO THAT EXTRA STEP BECAUSE WE ALREADY TOOK CARE OF IT AND SAID, HEY, HERE IT IS. YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER FOLKS HAVE. LIKE, I'LL JUST CHIME IN REAL QUICK. SO SOME, SOME OF THESE LISTS THAT YOU HAVE HERE, THESE PERMITTED USES SUCH AS VEHICLES, VEHICLE SALES, RENTAL LEASE EXCLUDING BODY WORK OR VEHICLE WASH FACILITY CURRENTLY ARE PROHIBITED IN THE IN THE PUD TEXT. SO THESE AREN'T SOME OF THESE AREN'T PERMITTED CURRENTLY. SO THESE WOULD BE ADDING TO THESE SUB AREAS THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN THE EXISTING COOK'S PUD. 
          MULTIFAMILY IS PROHIBITED. CURRENTLY, I KNOW THE VEHICLE ITEMS ARE PROHIBITED, WAREHOUSING PROHIBITED. SO I HAVEN'T LOOKED THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE WITH THE OLD PUD, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO LOOK TO SEE WHICH ONES SHOULD BE PERMITTED. WHICH ONES COULD BE CONDITIONAL. I MEAN, THE CONDITIONAL USE IS YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK TO SEE IF IT IF IT BUTTS UP TO A RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO THEN AT THE CONDITIONAL USE WE CAN EITHER REQUIRE MORE SCREENING OR MORE A GREATER SETBACK FROM THAT USE OR THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE IT ACTUALLY FALLS INTO THAT 
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LOCATION THAT IS WITH THE EXISTING, OR IF SOMETHING ELSE GETS DEVELOPED, AND THEN ANOTHER THING COMES IN RIGHT NEXT TO IT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD. WE WANT TO HAVE THAT KIND OF SAY AND OVERSIGHT ON THAT TO MAKE SURE SOME OF THESE USES GO IN. I AGREE, BUT I SAID IT KIND OF IN OUR ON OUR NOTES A LITTLE TOO. BUT ISN'T THAT WHERE WE GET HAMMERED BY DRB AT THE SAME POINT? THERE'S THREE DRB MEMBERS HERE THAT IS CARRYING THAT ON TO THE ZONING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION WHEN WE'RE AT DRB MEETING. SO WE KIND OF COVER THE SAME KIND OF COVER, THE SAME KIND OF COVER, THE SAME THING. NO. OKAY. 
          WE CANNOT WE WE HAVE TO HASH IT OUT HERE. WE CAN'T HASH IT OUT AFTER WE APPROVE. IT HAS TO BE HASHED OUT HERE. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE OTHER BOARD. WE HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT HERE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. YEAH. THE DRB CAN LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AND THE SITE LAYOUT. BUT AS FAR AS SETBACKS, BUILDING HEIGHTS, USES, THAT'S ALL GOING TO WORK OUT ITSELF OUT HERE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEALT WITH AT DRB. I'D ALSO JUST LIKE TO ADD, I MEAN, I'M SURE WE COULD HAVE HOURS OF CONVERSATION OF WHAT SHOULD GO IN PERMITTED AND WHICH SHOULD GO IN CONDITIONAL, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO CONVINCE THIS BOARD THAT THE CONCEPT OF HAVING BOTH CONDITIONAL AND PERMITTED IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD MOVE AWAY FROM. I AGREE, I MEAN, SO. SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE FIRST SIP, BUT I MEAN, I LIKE TO THINK THE CONSENSUS IS WE'D LIKE TO SEE CONDITIONAL USES. AND IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE LIST TONIGHT TO DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE WE'RE GOING TO KNOW. RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, WELL, HOW ARE WE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW OUR ZONING CODE? AND YOU SAID YOU MOSTLY BASED IT ON, ON CD LIKE THAT IS CLEAR WHAT'S IN PERMITTED USES AND WHAT'S IN CONDITIONAL USES. 
          ALSO. GOOD. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. SURE. LET ME TALK TO THEM REAL QUICK. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE IT MIGHT MAKE IT QUICKER. OKAY. JEFF WILL PULL UP THE STAFF REPORT HERE THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE USES THAT ARE LISTED AS PERMITTED THAT ARE CURRENTLY CONDITIONAL IN OUR ZONING ZONING CODE THAT THEY'RE LISTING AS PERMITTED. THE CLARIFY THIS IS NEW PERMITTED USES TO THE PREVIOUS PUD APPROVAL. NO THE ONLY SOME OF THEM ARE YEAH. SO ALL OF THE 13 WHAT PAGE. WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON JEFF I THINK THAT'S 13. IT'S 13 OF OUR. YEAH. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MATT, ALL THE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THEIR PUD, THESE WOULD REPLACE ALL THAT. 
          SO WE WOULD JUST NOW FOLLOW THEIR LIST THAT THEY HAVE HERE. PLUS LIKE FOR THIS DISTRICT IT WOULD BE CD AND RMU. THE THE PERMITTED ITEMS IN CD AND RMU. SO EVERYTHING THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THEIR PUD WOULD GO AWAY IF THIS WAS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT, WHAT WAS. OKAY. SO ON PAGE 11 THERE'S A COLOR CODED MAP. THOSE AREN'T DIFFERENT SECTIONS, RIGHT? THIS IS ALL ONE. NO. ALL DIFFERENT AREAS. NO WHAT HE BUT WHAT HE WANTS IS EVERYTHING TO BE COMBINED, RIGHT? EVEN THE SUBAREAS. EVERY AREA HAS ITS OWN LIST OF WHAT THAT LIST. IT WANTS IT. HE WANTS IT TO BE THE SAME LIST. THAT'S AREA A. YEAH. 
          THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE DIFFERENT. JUST OKAY A FEW DIFFERENT USES. YEAH. LIKE SALES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I UNDERSTAND IF SOME FOLLOWS, SOME FOLLOW SCD AND RMU. OTHER SECTIONS FOLLOW SCD AND NCD. SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. WHAT WE DO. PLUS SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL BULLET POINTS. 
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SO I GUESS THE EASIER WAY TO DO THIS IS LOOK AT YOUR CONDITIONAL USES THAT YOU HAVE. AND DO THEY REALLY NEED TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THE SAME TIME? SURE. YEAH. AS WE CHANGED AS WE CHANGED INTO, YOU KNOW, NO DIFFERENT THAN OUR D1 WHERE WE HAD THE CHILD CARE AND BEFORE AND WE MADE IT A PERMITTED USE RATHER THAN SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO GO THROUGH AND JUST DO THAT RATHER THAN TRY TO SIT THERE AND SAY, GO THROUGH THAT BIGGER LIST? BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THE VEHICLE SALES AND RENTALS AND EVERYTHING, IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE IN YOURS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS PERMITTED OR NOT OR BEFORE OR NOT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER NOW. AND I'M NOT EVEN SAYING THAT 100% HAS TO MATCH EXACTLY WHAT OURS IS BECAUSE IT IS A PUD. YEAH, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE ALIGNED. OKAY. 
          SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CONVERSATION IS GOING. IF IT'S A TABLING OF AT SOME POINT AFTER SOME CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW. NO, I THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION. I THINK I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DOING THAT, YOU KNOW? I MEAN. OF TRYING TO REDUCE THE LIST IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FIGURING OUT, HEY, THIS IS IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE CAME IN BECAUSE IT WASN'T ANY CONDITIONAL USES BEFORE. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THESE. 
          SO WHY REENACT IT? YOU KNOW, IF IT WASN'T SO WE CAN DO THAT. I MEAN, SO IF YOU JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE AND JUST SAY, OKAY, HEY, REAL QUICK, I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN DO IT QUICKLY. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO. OKAY, EXPOUND ON IT BECAUSE I WOULD ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING IS JUST SAY WE'RE DEAD HARD ON GENERAL RETAIL. NO, NO RESTRICTIONS. 
          THAT HAS TO HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, OR THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT DOES, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE, YOU KNOW, AND SAY, HEY, WHICH ONE IS SCHOOL? LET'S PICK SCHOOL DOESN'T MATTER TO US IF THE SCHOOL IS. QUITE FRANKLY, THERE'S NOT A SCHOOL GOING OUT THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, IT'S EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WITH THE SAME THING, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BE IN THE SAME PAGE. AS, YOU KNOW, THE COOKS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR FOREVER AND PART OF IT, AND WE'VE BEEN INVESTING IN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T SEEING AND EVERYTHING IN YOUR EVERYDAY IS THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO COME TO US FOR TO BUY OUR PROPERTY THAT WE TURN AWAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE RIGHT FIT FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO KNOWING HIM AND THE FAMILY AND EVERYTHING AND HOW THEY'RE ENTRENCHED IN THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET SOMETHING COME IN HERE THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. WE APPRECIATE IT AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AREA BY AREA, TALK ABOUT USES I MEAN I THINK A GOOD START WOULD BE THE ITEMS THAT THE CITY ARE TAKING THE TIME TO HIGHLIGHT. SAY THESE ARE CONDITIONAL, BUT THEN WE CAN START TO TALK THROUGH LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU HAVE A STRONG FEELING THAT IT SHOULD BE PERMITTED, NOT CONDITIONAL. WE CAN TALK THROUGH IT. IS THAT OKAY? YEP I AGREE OKAY. SO STARTING OFF WITH AREA A YEP. WHICH IS THE THE VERY SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY. YEP. IT'S THE FREEWAY PROPERTY. IT'S THE FREEWAY PART. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS. SO BASED ON SEVERAL OTHER ZONING CHILD DAYCARE CENTER, WHICH I MEAN I'M FINE WITH THAT BEING PERMITTED. PERMITTED. YEAH I THINK SO TOO. AGAIN ONE PERSON AND PEOPLE SPEAK UP OTHERWISE. THE THE ASSISTED LIVING NURSING HOME EMERGENCY CARE FACILITY GENERALLY THOSE ARE CONDITIONAL USES IN ALMOST EVERY ZONING. JUST BECAUSE I THINK WE WANT TO SEE WHAT IT'S GOING NEAR AND MAKING SURE IT'S CONGRUENT. SO ARE YOU OKAY WITH THOSE BEING CONDITIONAL? YEAH, I'M HALF AND HALF ON THAT. ONE REASON I WOULD OBJECT. IT'S GOING BY THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO IT'S TECHNICALLY GOING WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE NEAR RESIDENTIAL. 
          IF WE WERE, IF YOU WERE TO TELL ME THAT ON C ONE WHERE IT'S OUT BY THE MAIN STREET AND ON ROUTE AND, YOU KNOW, ON ROUTE FOUR OR ROUTE 31, I WOULD AGREE. BUT IN THIS ONE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING IT HERE IS BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL, IT'S SECLUDED, IT SHOULD BE ITS OWN THING. AND IT AND IT CAN WORK THERE WITH WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONDITION THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT. YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF YOUR PROCESS. YEAH. 
          WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO IMPACT IT TO SAY, HEY. OH THAT REALLY NEEDS TO COME THROUGH THERE IN THAT AREA. YEAH. AND I MAY HAVE GROUPED. OKAY. SO I PLEASE OKAY. WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST SAY I MEAN. 
          THEY SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL BECAUSE I MEAN I KNOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT. OH WE WOULDN'T YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL. WE WOULDN'T DO THIS. THIS IS WHAT THE. YEAH. 
          BUT I MEAN, THAT'S ONCE WE SAY IT HERE, IT'S DONE. AND I THINK THAT I MEAN, WE CAN'T PREDICT 
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THE FUTURE, SO I, I JUST DON'T I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING PERMITTED. THAT'S JUST ME. I DON'T I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS IF OR WHICH ONE YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PERMITTED. WELL, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND. LIKE IF WE'RE DOING RESTAURANTS AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, IF WE'RE DOING I CAN UNDERSTAND LIKE COMPUTER SERVICES OR, OR. FINE. BUT I MEAN IT. SO YOU WANT US TO GO THROUGH EACH SUBGROUP AREA AND TELL YOU WHAT WE THINK. I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT THE WAY THE PROCESS, THE THING THAT THE WAY THAT WE GO THROUGH THINGS IS THAT YOU COME TO US, YOU REQUEST WHAT YOU WANT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF SKIPPING OVER WHAT THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE NORMALLY DONE. WELL, I MEAN, MOST NON OR ALL NON PUDS HAVE PERMITTED USES AND CONDITIONAL USES AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE CONDITION, IDENTIFY WHAT IS CONDITIONAL, WHAT IS NOT LIKE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL IS IS A PERMITTED USE IN OTHER ZONING CODES. SO YOU KNOW, LIKE WHY WOULD WE MAKE THAT EXCEPTION HERE UNLESS WE HAD A GOOD REASON, YOU KNOW. 
          RIGHT. SO SO I'M KIND OF FOCUSING ON THE HIGHLIGHTED ONES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CITY IDENTIFIED AS. HEY, THESE ARE CONDITIONAL AND OTHER PARTS OF OUR ZONING CODE. WE WANT TO BE MORE ALIGNED. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MATCH. EXACTLY. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL. BUT YES. AND I DON'T MEAN TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT PERHAPS I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THIS ISN'T A WORKING SESSION. HE SHOULD BE COMING TO US WITH PERMITTED AND CONDITIONAL USES BECAUSE THAT'S THE EXPECTATION. 
          SO WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME GIVING YOU SOME FEEDBACK, BUT I GENUINELY THINK YOU NEED TO COME BACK WITH THESE LISTS THAT, NO, I THINK WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME. WE WORK. THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE HELP THEM WORK THIS OUT. OKAY, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A WORK SESSION SESSION THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. WE DO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE DO. OKAY. WELL, BUT IT'S NOT A PUBLIC ONE. 
          YEAH, WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE IF WE WANTED TO GET THREE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TOGETHER INTO A SEPARATE SESSION WITH AN APPLICANT OR WITH STAFF, WE CAN WORK THROUGH WHAT THOSE ARE IN THAT WAY. SO THAT YOU I THINK TO LESLIE'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'R THROUGH EVERY SECTION HERE TONIGHT. SO IT'S KIND OF UP TO YOU GUYS WHETHER YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS BRIEFLY OR AT LEAST DO LIKE 1 OR 2 SECTIONS AND YOU KIND OF GET AN IDEA ON, WE CAN STILL GET SOME FEEDBACK, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, TO BE FAIR TO CHRIS, HE CAME WITH A LIST OF PERMITTED USES. HE JUST DIDN'T COME UP WITH A LIST OF ADDITIONAL USES. RIGHT. AND THERE'S A LITTLE PUSHBACK THERE. SO AND I JUST WANTED TO JUST THROW IN AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR MIND WHEN YOU'RE THINKING OF THINGS, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND EVERYTHING A LONG TIME IN THAT OUR SUBSECTIONS IS SOME OF THE THINGS YOU GOT TO THINK OF AS YOU'RE THINKING OF THIS, AND HOPEFULLY THIS MIGHT HELP YOU ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          WE'RE NOT LIKE MARYSVILLE NORTH, I'LL CALL IT, WHO JUST DID BIG, HUGE BLOCKS OF 50, 60 ACRES. A THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS 19 ACRES. SO IT IS SMALL, YOU KNOW. AND IF YOU KNOW ABOUT ANY MULTIFAMILY, THAT'S PROBABLY 20 ACRES IS MOST THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. SO IF THE MULTIFAMILY IS GOING TO GO IN THERE, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE GOING IN THERE BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE IS GOING TO FIT. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING DOWN, OKAY, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, B IS LIKE EIGHT ACRES, YOU KNOW, B ONE IS LIKE EIGHT ACRES. SOME OF THEM ARE TWO AND A HALF OR FIVE ACRES. WELL, WHEN YOU END UP THINKING OF THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT SENSE, YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING 1 OR 2 THINGS IN THERE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW. SO I RESPECT THAT PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU. YEAH. 
          SO IT'S JUST YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE SMALL. WE WE PUT THEM SMALL, YOU KNOW. SO THEY'RE ALL SMALL. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GETTING A WHOLE THING IN THERE YOU KNOW. YEAH D2 IS TEN ACRES. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A MULTIFAMILY THERE, YOU KNOW. WELL CAN I. YES PLEASE. CHRIS, JUST LOOKING AT THIS LIST, THERE WOULD BE THREE THAT STAND OUT TO ME RIGHT AWAY THAT I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD WANT TO BE CONDITIONAL. OKAY. ONE WOULD BE THE WAREHOUSING, PERSONAL MINI STORAGE, NOT AGAINST IT. JUST SAYING THAT IF MINI STORAGE WAS GOING IN THERE, I CAN AGREE WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE THAT ONE'S THAT ONE'S A VERY DIFFERENT ONE THAN WHAT YOU COULD GET. YOU COULD GET THE U-HAUL BUILDING, OR YOU COULD GET SOMEBODY TO PUT SOMETHING NICE. I CAN AGREE WITH THAT ONE. VEHICLE SALES, RENTAL AND LEASE WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE. AND I WOULD QUESTION MULTIFAMILY. SINCE YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH MULTIFAMILY ON THE SITE ALREADY, I WOULD MAKE THAT A CONDITIONAL USE. THAT'S MY OPINION. JUST IN SUBSECTION A, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS SITUATED LIKE RIGHT ALONG THE. YEAH. SO YOU THINK AN EMERGENCY 
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CARE FACILITY SHOULD NOT BE A CONDITIONAL USE? I'M INDIFFERENT. I COULD SEE WHERE YOU WOULD WANT EMERGENCY FACILITIES TO BE CLOSEST TO. THERE'S NO CLOSE ACCESS TO THE HIGHWAY THERE, SO IT DOESN'T MEAN IN THE FUTURE THERE MIGHT NOT BE A NEW ROAD. THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT TO THAT, CHRIS. THERE'S NO WAY TO. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S IN THERE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO UP, LOOP AROUND AND GO DOWN TO THE CUL DE SAC. IF THERE'S AN. SO IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY. IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY. BUT YEAH. AND AND SO THAT AND AT THAT POINT I WOULD TELL YOU AT THE SAME POINT MOST LIKELY WE'RE NOT GOING TO CATCH EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT A GAS STATION BACK THERE AT THAT SAME POINT. BUT THE GAS STATION COMPANIES ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THE EXACT SAME THING. WE'RE NOT GOING BACK THERE. SO THE EMERGENCY FACILITY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THE SAME THING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY ELIMINATE THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF US ELIMINATING THEM. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS MORE URGENT CARE LIKE WHAT CLOSE TO HOME IS AND STUFF? YEAH. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR TEXT BETWEEN URGENT CARE AND EMERGENCY CARE? I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S YEAH. BECAUSE I WAS I COULD SEE AN URGENT CARE GOING BACK THERE. 
          RIGHT. WELL AND BUT YOU KNOW, MOST OF YOUR URGENT CARES, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND IS MOST OF THEM ARE IN A PLAZA SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT LINE. THAT'S THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DOING THEM NOW, THE WAY THEY WORK OUT IN DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE ALL GOING IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY'RE NOT LIKE MARY. THEY'RE NOT LIKE MEMORIAL THAT HAS THEIR OWN FACILITY. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, SO THEY WOULD FIT INSIDE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHETHER IT'S AN URGENT CARE OR. A SHOP OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER KIND OF SHOP, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE AN AMBULANCE IS NOT GOING THERE, RIGHT? OH, I THOUGHT I SAID I IN LINE WITH THE CHAD. OKAY. WITH THOSE THREE. I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY OTHERS ON THAT LIST THAT JUMPS OUT TO ANYONE THAT. ANYONE FEELS STRONGLY? DID YOU SAY EMERGENCY? I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS IT? WAS IT WAS A WAREHOUSING, PERSONAL STORAGE, VEHICLE SALES AND RENTALS. 
          RIGHT. AND THEN MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. THE DEFINITION WE HAVE IN OUR CODE FOR EMERGENCY CARE FACILITY FACILITY DOES NOT INCLUDE URGENT CARE. BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO INCLUDE AS PART OF YOUR USE UNDER THE EMERGENCY CARE. USE THAT IF YOU WANT TO ADD DEFINITION TO YOUR THAT THAT URGENT CARE COULD BE COVERED FOR THE SPECIFIC. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR URGENT CARE. I AGREE THAT HIGHWAY EXIT, YOU KNOW, PRESENTS NO FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND. OKAY, YOU'RE OUT OF TOWN, MIKE. WE HAD JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS HERE ON ON THIS SUB AREA. SO YES, SIR. THE COMPUTER SERVICES, IT ACTUALLY FALLS UNDER OUR, OUR PERSONAL SERVICES, OUR GENERAL RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES DEFINITION. SO WE DON'T THINK THAT THE COMMUNITIES OR THE COMPUTER SERVICES NEEDS TO BE IN THE LIST HERE. IT'S KIND OF DUPLICATING WHAT'S IN OUR CODE. SO WE WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT THEY REMOVE THAT COMPUTER SERVICES FROM THE USE. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE REMOVING THE ABILITY, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S ALREADY IT'S ALREADY COVERED UNDER OUR DEFINITION. THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING. THEY WENT INTO DETAILS OF COMPUTER SERVICES. AND YOU KNOW THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE REPAIRS. AND YOU KNOW THERE WAS PHOTO YEAH OKAY. PHOTO DEVELOPING. AND IT WAS BROKEN DOWN IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. SO IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. SO WE HAD ALSO THE COMMERCIAL THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT AND MATERIAL SALES RENTAL. WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR THAT. SO WE WERE JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ON WHAT THEIR VISION IS OF, OF THAT. WOULD IT BE LIKE A SUNBELT OR IS THERE OTHER ITEMS OR OTHER USES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT THEY WOULD THINK WOULD FALL UNDER THAT? YEAH, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE FALL ALONG AS THE SUNBELT RENTALS OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. BUT THEN IT SAYS MATERIAL SALES. SO I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S NO REAL DEFINITION ON THAT ONE TOO. DOES THAT INCLUDE WE'LL JUST SAY HOME DEPOT OR MENARDS OR SOMEBODY ALONG THAT LINE DOES THAT WHERE THAT CATEGORY FALLS, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT FOLLOW UP MATERIAL. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE THAT OUT. 
          NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK MENARDS WILL COME IN HERE AND GO IN THAT SAME AREA. BUT WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW. SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHY THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE LEFT THAT IN THERE. YEAH. 
          I MEAN WOULD THAT BE MATERIAL SALES. WOULD THAT BE LIKE A AN OHIO MULCH? I MEAN, IF THAT'S YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I DON'T WANT THAT HERE. BUT AT THIS LOCATION. YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT FITS IN THIS AREA WITH THAT EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. BUT YEAH. MR. CHAIR. YEAH. IF THIS IF THIS AREA IS INTENDED FOR TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL, THEN I THINK WE JUST, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO MOVE ANYTHING THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL, MAKE IT PERMITTED ANYTHING THAT'S NOT SUCH AS POSSIBLY SOME OF THE RETAIL. MAYBE WE MOVE THAT TOWARDS CONDITIONAL AND YOU KIND OF USE THE. THE MORE I CAN SEE THAT THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE PUD TO 
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MAKE IT MORE FLEXIBLE TO WHAT YOU'RE INTENDING, AND LET'S JUST DO IT WITH, WITH THE USES. 
          THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO ADD, AND IT MIGHT NOT BE AS NEEDED IN SUBSECTION A, BECAUSE IT'S 13.5 ACRES. BUT AS WE TALK THROUGH THE OTHER SECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ITEMS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE SIZE AT ALL. SO LIKE A HOSPITAL ON FIVE ACRES, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, K-12 SCHOOL ON FIVE ACRES, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD BE IN A LESS THAN IDEAL FACILITY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF, THAT ONE ITEM DOESN'T FIT WELL. WE JUST NEED TO TAKE IT OFF THE LIST. OKAY, SO I AGREE OKAY. SO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT AND MATERIAL SALES RENTAL. ARE WE TALKING GOING TO CONDITIONAL ON THAT ONE. YEAH BECAUSE WE'D WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE MATERIAL WAS BEFORE WE MADE THAT DETERMINATION. THEN THE MULTIFAMILY AS WE SAID VEHICLE SALES WAREHOUSING REMOVING COMPUTER SERVICES BECAUSE IT'S REDUNDANT. ANY OTHER ITEMS ON THIS LIST MIGHT BE A GOOD START. YEAH. I SAY FOR BREVITY, THAT'S A GOOD START. WE CAN MOVE ON TO ANOTHER SECTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVE ON. YEAH. 
          LET'S JUST GO TO YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT AS YOU'RE TALKING. LET'S LOOK AT LET'S LOOK AT A B, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE D BECAUSE THOSE ARE OUT THERE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. 
          YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH C-1, C-2, C-3, YOU KNOW. SO YOU'RE SAYING I SHOULD KNOW THIS. SORRY. SO LIKE SO SO LIKE B1 B AS A WHOLE OR I THINK WE HAVE DIFFERENT WE HAVE DIVIDED B1 AND B2 AS TOTALLY SEPARATE THINGS. OKAY. B1 IS NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          YEAH. WHERE THE B2'S ARE NOT. YEAH. YOU KNOW SO I THINK THEY KIND OF FOLLOW INTO THAT DIFFERENT USES. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD BE TOO OBJECTIONABLE AT SAYING, HEY, IF YOU'RE DOING THE RESIDENTIAL KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU'RE DOING FOR A THAT MAYBE FITS INTO THE B1 CATEGORY, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SO HAPPENS IN THE ORIGINAL PD, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE A AND B TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, THEY THEY MADE THEM SEPARATE YOU KNOW. AND I'M SORRY IS THE THE BLUE WEDGE UP AT THE TOP ALSO B THAT'S B2. IT'S B2 JUST THE ONE WITH THE RED CIRCLE. YEAH. IN THIS CASE IN RED. THANK YOU. YEAH I THOUGHT WE WERE COLOR CODED. 
          SORRY. I BREAK THEM DOWN INTO SUBSECTIONS. YEAH. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IN THE SAME FORMAT, YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON TO B1. IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING. SO I THINK VEHICLE CAR WASH SHOULD BE ELIMINATED NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S JUST A AND THEY ALSO ADDED VEHICLE SERVICE AND REPAIR FACILITY IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS SUBAREA AS WELL I ASSUME. IS THE THOUGHT THERE FOR THAT LAND THAT'S RIGHT OFF THE EXIT. SAY AGAIN THE VEHICLE SALES. WELL I THOUGHT IT WAS A SERVICE AND REPAIR FACILITY. AND ALSO VEHICLE FUEL SALES. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN THAT AREA. OKAY. YEAH, I CAN AGREE WITH THAT ONE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AT ALL. OKAY. SO RUNNING FROM THE TOP DOWN. YEAH. MULTIFAMILY. WE STILL SAY CONDITIONAL. THEN VEHICLE FUEL VEHICLE FUEL SALES WITH ACCESSORIES TO PERMIT VEHICLE SALES, VEHICLE SERVICE AND WAREHOUSING GO INTO CONDITIONAL. YEAH. LET'S MAKE THEM CONDITIONAL. YEAH OKAY. I THINK WE'LL LEAVE THEM ON THE LIST BECAUSE. YEAH, LEAVE THEM ON THE LIST IF THERE'S THE RIGHT THERE. YEAH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. THEY BUY ALL THE HOUSES AND DEVELOP THE WHOLE THING. AND DID YOU WANT THE VEHICLE WASH FACILITIES CONDITIONAL OR JUST THE I'M SORRY TWO ABOVE OR BELOW WASH CAN BE. YEAH. LET'S GO CONDITIONAL WITH IT TOO. YEAH. YEAH I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. FOUND THAT SAME THING WITH REMOVING COMPUTER SERVICES. OH YEAH. ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE JUST SAID. YEAH, YEAH I WAS JUST GONNA SAY OH YEAH. SO, SO I GUESS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT AND MATERIAL SALES GO INTO CONDITIONAL ALSO. YEAH. THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THIS ONE. WHAT'S THAT? THEY REMOVED THAT ONE. YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LIST. YEAH. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE UPDATED LIST I THOUGHT IT I HAD THE ONE WITH THE RESPONSES OR IT'S BEEN UPDATED FURTHER. YEAH. IT WAS REDLINED. SO MAYBE IT THE PDF 
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OKAY. TOOK THAT RED LINE OUT AS LONG AS WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. SO ALL GOOD. BUT THEN YES REMOVING THE COMPUTER SERVICES BECAUSE THE REDUNDANCY. SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU ON THIS ONE WOULD BE YOU SAID MULTIFAMILY CONDITIONAL. YES. IS THAT INCLUDE SENIOR LIVING INDEPENDENT. I MEAN IT DIDN'T DOES IT NOT. IT DIDN'T IN A SO WELL SENIOR LIVING INDEPENDENT WASN'T IN THE FIRST ONE. SENIOR INDEPENDENT. OH YEAH. IT'S IT'S NOT THE ASSISTED OR ASSISTED NURSING. YEAH. IT'S A DIFFERENT I THINK IT MIGHT BE I THINK IT MIGHT BE IN CODE TO BE PERMITTED THERE. THEN IF WE DID IN THE YOU WANT IT TO BE IN THE, IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN A MEANING. THAT'S THE HARD THING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE ONES THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE OUR LIST. IT'S ADDITIONAL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THREE LISTS. 
          YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT SENIOR INDEPENDENT LIVING. ARE YOU TALKING LIKE A PARK? LIKE IT COULD BE LIKE THREE FLOOR WALK UPS OR OR I DON'T KNOW, IT COULD BE THAT. OR IT COULD BE. 
          IT COULD BE RANCHES, YOU KNOW. ARE WE HOW ARE WE CLASSIFYING THOSE? YOU KNOW, ARE WE CLASSIFYING NOSES ALL MULTIFAMILY OR NOT? YOU KNOW THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YEAH. IS THAT DEFINITION IT'S SEPARATE LIKE SENIOR LIVING INDEPENDENT IS SEPARATE FROM A MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE IT THE NON AGE RESTRICTED ARE CATEGORIZED UNDER SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR MULTIFAMILY. SO WITH THE SENIOR LIVING WE DON'T SPECIFY WHETHER THAT'S. SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, WHETHER IT'S MULTIFAMILY, WHETHER THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS CONDITIONAL. OR YOU COULD JUST LEAVE IT OPEN. AND THIS SO THIS USE THE SENIOR INDEPENDENT LIVING IS A PERMITTED USE IN RMU, BUT IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE IN SCD. AND THIS SUB AREA THEY ARE ONLY FOLLOWING SCD. THEY THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING RMU. SO THAT'S WHY THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADD IT AS A PERMITTED USE AS IN SUBAREA A IT WOULD BE I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE PERMITTED. SO WE ADD YEAH BECAUSE WE HAD RMU AS WE HAD REFERENCED BOTH RMU BECAUSE YOU HAD THE RMU OVER HERE AND THERE. YEAH. SO WE HAD REFERENCED ALL OF THEM IN THERE AND STAFF SAID, HEY, JUST TAKE WHAT THERE'S A LOT OF DUPLICATIONS IN THERE. SO WHAT WE DID WAS THEY ASKED US TO SAY, TAKE WHAT WE WANT OUT OF THE RMU AND JUST PUT IT HERE. SO SENIOR LIVING WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE ADDED INTO HERE SAYING WE WANT THAT IN HERE. 
          OKAY. SO I'M FINE WITH IT BEING PERMITTED. I AM TOO, IF I'M THINKING LIKE A SENIOR, LIKE A SINGLE LEVEL RANCH STYLE, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PERMITTED. IF YOU'RE GOING THREE STOREYS, THEN NO. WELL THEN THEN MAYBE WE MAKE IT CONDITIONAL SO WE HAVE TO SEE IT. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I'M LIKE. BUT I KIND OF WHERE I'M TRYING TO THINK OVER BY WHERE THE GABLES ARE. THEY GOT SOME PART, YOU KNOW, SINGLE LIVING. I WAS JUST SAYING, IF WE'RE ALLOWED, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, IF, IF A PERMITTED USE IS ASSISTED LIVING AND NURSING HOME, THOSE COULD BE THREE FLOORS ALSO. SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE I CAN'T SEE IT BEING MUCH DIFFERENT. IT COULD BE BETTER, YOU KNOW, SO IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE AS SENIOR LIVING OR INDEPENDENT LIVING ONLY IT COULD BE THREE STOREYS. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY? I'M NOT SAYING THAT LIKE I MEAN IT'S JUST TO BRING IT TO THE TABLE AGAIN IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING. IF THEY MADE AN APARTMENT, MOST ARE NOT RESTRICTED. MOST ARE NOT. BECAUSE WHEN THEY START GETTING INTO THE THE THREE STOREYS CHANGE FROM BEING SENIOR LIVING, INDEPENDENT LIVING LIKE WE SAY THEY'RE INTO THE CONGREGATE CARE CARE FACILITY, ASSISTED LIVING, NURSING HOME. OKAY, SO WHEN YOU END UP DOING THAT, THAT'S WHEN YOU FLIP INTO THE THREE STOREYS WHERE THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY GOT TO START PUTTING ELEVATORS IN. AND I MEAN, THEIR COST JUST GOES UP. NOW, SOME COMMUNITIES WILL END UP DOING THAT INTO WHERE THEY HAVE THEM, THAT THEY'LL HAVE THE RANCHES THEN HAVE THE THREE STOREYS. SO WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING. SO YOU CAN LIVE HERE WITH YOUR, YOU KNOW, LIVE HERE WITH YOUR PARTNER HERE AND THEN GET SICK. ONE GETS SICK, ONE CAN LIVE THERE, YOU CAN STILL BE CLOSE AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. SO WHEN IT UPGRADES TO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I COULD SEE IT GOING. THEN IF WE SAY HEY, BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S A LOT BIGGER OF AN ANIMAL THAN JUST RANCH HOMES, WOULD YOU WANT THOSE TO BE JUST FOR REFERENCE, THE ONE AT WOODSIDE THAT THAT DRB APPROVED, THAT IS LIKE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IN COMBINATION WITH THE BUILDING. AND IT'S IN IT'S AN INDEPENDENT IN THE BUILDING IS THREE STOREYS. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S THREE STOREYS. THAT OUGHT TO BE CONDITIONAL. YEAH. SHOULD. THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT. IT'S THREE STOREYS. TAKE IT TO MULTIFAMILY INSTEAD. WHETHER IT HAS THAT DEFINITION ON THERE OR NOT. I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED. NO IT'S NOT A IT'S. YEAH, IT'S NOT A STORY, NOT A QUANTITY OF STORIES THAT CLASSIFIES THAT. IT'S HOW THE BUILDING IS AND THE DOORS ARE ACCESSED. WELL, WE COULD LITERALLY WRITE THAT IN THERE AND SAY SINGLE LIVING OTHER THAN THREE STORY MULTI-STORY. 
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OKAY, I'M FINE WITH THAT. IF IT'S SINGLE STORY. YES. YEAH. OR IT COULD BE TWO STORY OKAY, OKAY. IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE SENIORS ARE WANTING TO GO UPSTAIRS AS MUCH, BUT. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT A THREE STORY, SHOULD WE PUT THE ASSISTED LIVING AND NURSING HOME AS CONDITIONAL, THEN I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK ON SOMETHING WE ALREADY DECIDED ON. 
          WELL, I MEAN, BUT NO, NO, IT'S A GOOD POINT. I MEAN, LIKE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE. YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON JUST FOR THAT, THAT SAME LANGUAGE WHERE IT'S IF IT'S LESS THAN THREE STOREYS, IT'S PERMITTED. IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU, IS THAT FINE A AS WELL FOR THE I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT ONE AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE END UP DOING AS A CONDITIONAL USE IS WE SAY SENIOR LIVING THREE STORY OR MULTIPLE STORIES AND MAKE THAT A CONDITIONAL USE ONE AND JUST WE'LL HAVE TWO INDEPENDENT LIVING SINGLE STORY AND ONE THAT'S MULTIPLE STORY AND SAY DO IT THAT WAY. AND WE JUST IT THAT WORKS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT CHRIS I THINK THEY MIGHT WANT THAT FOR THE ASSISTED LIVING AND THE NURSING HOME AS WELL. OKAY. IF IT'S MULTIPLE MULTIPLE STORIES. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON AREA B ONE? OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO B TWO OR THE OTHER THREE BLUE AREAS. TWO ONES IS THAT. 
          YEAH I WAS LOOKING IF THAT WAS TWO ACRES OR 12 ACRES IT'S PROBABLY 12, 12.5, 13 AND 17. B TWOS ARE. YEAH. THE SMALL LITTLE THREE ACRES, TWO AND A HALF ACRE. AND WHAT, SEVEN ACRES, SEVEN AND A HALF ACRE. ALL RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IN THEIR ORIGINAL THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY IN THE ORIGINAL WHEN THEY THOUGHT THIS THROUGH THAT I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S ONLY ONE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT INTO MAIN STREET FRONTAGE AND NORMAL COMMERCIAL LOTS THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT THOSE TO BE, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW WE HAVE THEM THERE. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN SUBAREA C WHERE THE FRONTAGE ON 31. WHY WAS THAT NOT CONSIDERED TO BE A D IF YOU WERE GOING TO SEPARATE THEM OUT AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO DO IS BECAUSE NOW C'S GOT BACK TO 2008 AND. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO SO WE'RE TRYING TO COMBINE BOTH OF THEM TO MAKE THEM ALL WORK AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW. SO ALL RIGHT. SO THE ALL THE THINGS THAT OVERLAP B1 CAN WE SAY APPLY TO B2. SO COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT, MATERIAL SALES, COMPUTER SERVICES ELIMINATED THE THREE STORIES FOR ASSISTED LIVING NURSING HOME. AND THIS DOES THIS HAVE SENIOR LIVING OR DOES NOT. OH YEAH. SENIOR LIVING INDEPENDENT. YEP. THREE STORIES OR CONDITIONAL. LESS THAN THREE STORIES PERMITTED. THAT MAKES SENSE. WAREHOUSE VEHICLE SALES. VEHICLE FUEL CONDITIONAL. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DOES THIS HAVE THAT B1 DIDN'T IS LABORATORY AND RESEARCH NEW HEALTH AND FITNESS. ARE THOSE ALL THOSE BEEN THERE. SHOULD WE MAKE A HOSPITAL CONDITIONAL I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TOP SECTION. I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE FINE. BUT I THINK HERE'S WHERE WE NEED TO START GETTING TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS JUST A LITTLE OVER THREE ACRES AND TAKE HOSPITAL OFF. TAKE OFF. THESE THINGS DON'T BELONG IN A THREE ACRE LOT. WELL, IT'S A 1213 AND 17 OH OH. ALL THREE OF THEM. OKAY. YEAH. SO THERE'S A SEVEN ACRE. THEN THEY ABSOLUTELY NEED TO GO TO CONDITIONAL BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DEFAULT TO ALLOW A HOSPITAL ON A THREE ACRE LOT. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. EXACTLY. SO THAT'S THE HARD. SO I MEAN, ALL THOSE ALL THOSE LARGE FOOTPRINT OPTIONS NEED TO MOVE TO CONDITIONAL SO THAT THEY DON'T TRY TO. YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE WERE TWO, THREE AND SEVEN BECAUSE OF THE RED LINE. IT WAS OVERLAPPING. SO I'M SORRY. SO WE'RE SAYING BECAUSE IT PROBABLY DOESN'T FIT WELL WE SHOULD PUT A CONDITIONAL BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE HOW THEY FIT IN THAT SEVEN ACRE. BUT LIKE I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IT IN THE THREE ACRE. YEAH. YEAH. SO IF WE MOVE IT TO CONDITIONAL THEN WE HAVE THAT CONTROL TO SAY NO, IT DOESN'T GO THERE. SO TO BE CLEAR, I THINK THAT INCLUDES HOSPITAL. OKAY. 12 IS NOT ON HERE RIGHT. NO. YEAH IT IS. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S IN THERE. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S IN THE SCD AS A CONDITIONAL USE. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE I'M LOOKING I'M LOOKING AT THIS LIST. I'M SORRY. 
          DID WE TAKE IT OUT OF THAT LIST. WE DIDN'T TAKE IT OUT THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO. HOTEL 
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IS A HOTEL. MOTEL REALLY GOING TO BE HOTEL? BECAUSE I LEFT THE HOTEL IN THERE. JUST BECAUSE IT COULD BE THAT THREE ACRES IN B2 IN THE BACK. THAT'S. THAT'S FINE. IT COULD BE. IT COULD BE HERE. IT COULD GO HERE. BUT THAT'S THE POINT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE. YEAH. LIKE IT COULD, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD. AND THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL. YEAH. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT JUST FOR REFERENCE. ALSO THAT B2 UP AT THE TOP THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE MARYSVILLE NORTH DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. AND THAT IS ALL WHEN WE GET THERE RESIDENTIAL ALONG THAT. OKAY. SO FOR THAT LITTLE PIECES NCD WILL BE THIS NCD USES CHRIS ON THE COMMERCIAL RECREATION ONE. YOU NEED TO ADD THE THE WORD OUTDOOR ON THAT BECAUSE CURRENTLY SCD AND NCD HAS COMMERCIAL RECREATION. INDOOR IS A PERMITTED USE. OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS THE OUTDOOR. DO WE NOT WANT INDOOR OR IS THE INTENTION JUST NOT INDOOR IS PERMITTED UNDER SCD OR NCD. SO IT'S ALREADY A PERMITTED USE UNDER THOSE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS. BUT THE OUTDOOR WAS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THAT DISTRICT. BUT THEY'RE REQUESTING IT TO BE PERMITTED. SO. I THINK MAYBE I THINK AND I THINK MAYBE I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. 
          I WAS THINKING MORE OF THE INDOOR FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE ARE POPPING IN BATTING CAGES AND CHEER CAMPS AND EVERYTHING THAT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY. SO I DIDN'T WANT TO ELIMINATE THAT FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS A PLAZA THERE THAT WANTS TO DO, I DON'T EVEN TAE KWON DO OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD CLASSIFY THEM FOR THAT. SURE. AND THIS OUTDOOR WOULD ALLOW LIKE MINI GOLF OR THINGS LIKE THAT, OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED AS A OUTDOOR RECREATION. 
          OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. ANY OTHER ITEMS ON THIS LIST FOR B2? OKAY. MOVE ON TO. B3. SO THAT IS THE GREENISH. I'M SURE THERE'S A BETTER NAME FOR THAT GREEN, BUT B3 IS THE POND. IT IS RESTRICTED TO BE THE POND AND RECREATIONAL AND HAS PATHWAYS THAT NEED TO BE ON IT AND EVERYTHING ALONG THAT LINE. SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE I MEAN, IF YOU COULD SEE THE AERIAL, THERE'S VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR ANYTHING TO FIT IN THERE. IT'S THE POND. OKAY, OKAY. YEAH. 
          I'VE PUT THE ROAD AND EVERYTHING AS CLOSE AS I COULD TO IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE. 
          HERE. SO WE'RE MOVING ON. WE'RE MOVING THE POND. WE'RE MOVING THE POND. NO, NO, I SAID PUT THE ROAD NEXT TO IT SO THERE'S NOTHING USABLE. JUST OVER THAT WAY. SO, ARE WE MOVING THE POND? NO, NOT THAT POND. NOT THAT. NOT THAT POND. RIGHT. THE NORTH POND. WE ARE RELOCATING IT. BUT THAT POND, WE ARE NOT. SO CHEF SAID THIS FOLLOWS OPEN SPACES DIRECTLY. SO IT FALLS. YEAH IT DOES. YEAH, IT'S OPEN SPACE. AND THERE'S EVEN RESTRICTIONS ON IT FOR THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN THERE. WE DID NOT CHANGE THAT ONE AT ALL FROM THE ORIGINAL OKAY. THAT ONE IN E. 
          WE DIDN'T CHANGE AT ALL. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO C1. SO THAT IS THE PINK PINKISH PINKISH AREA TO THE LEFT OF THE TWO PINK AREAS. YEAH C1 C2. PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. COULD WE SAY WHAT WE WHAT WE DO FOR C1 WOULD APPLY TO C2. SO WHAT I SAID, WHAT COULD WE SAY. WHAT APPLIES TO C1 APPLIES TO C2. OR IS IT BECAUSE IT'S OR YOUR C1 AND C2 DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT OR DIFFERENT AT ALL? I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME COPY PASTE OKAY, OKAY. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE AS A LARGER. I'M FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH. THERE'S NO CHANGE OKAY. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT I MEAN PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. BUT FOR C1 THEY HAVE DATA PROCESSING SLASH CALL CENTER AS A PERMITTED USE. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO LOOK AT. YES SIR. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO 
          [00:55:01]
THAT'S FROM THE ORIGINAL. SO OKAY. AND I DON'T DATA PROCESSING CALL CENTER TO ME I WASN'T THINKING OF IT AS WE CALL THEM DATA CENTERS TODAY. I WOULD SAY I THINK OF THOSE AS THE A THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE PHONE CALLING YOU, SAYING YOU'RE CALLING THE HELPLINE, YOUR HOUSE, YOUR CAR INSURANCE, OR HOW'S YOUR WARRANTY DOING? IT'S OFFICE SPACE. YOU KNOW WE ARE. IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING OUR DEFINITION, IT COULD BE CONDITIONAL. YEAH, CERTAINLY CONDITIONAL PERMISSION. I CAN AGREE WITH THAT ONE. IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN INTO LIKE THE DATA CALL CENTER, NOT DATA PROCESSING. DO YOU WANT TO REVISE WHAT THAT SO THAT IT MATCHES OUR DEFINITIONS. YEAH. WE JUST NEED A DEFINITION FOR THAT SEPARATELY. HOW WAS THAT I MEAN HOW IS IT DIFFERENT THAN JUST COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE I THINK I THINK IT COULD BE CATEGORIZED. I MEAN, I THINK YOU COULD STRIKE THAT AND JUST PUT COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE. 
          YEAH. SEE, I COULD DO IT. CHANGE THAT TO. AND BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO THEY COME GET THEIR ZONING PERMIT. AND LESLIE, THAT WAS SOMETHING JEFF AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER DAY. MIGHT JUST NEED TO REVISE THIS DEFINITION IN OUR STANDARD CODE, OR JUST KIND OF REMOVING THAT PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. OKAY. SO I SEE PROBABLY A LOT OF CARRYOVER FROM PREVIOUS. YEAH. SO COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT AND MATERIAL SALES THAT WAS THAT WAS REMOVED. OH WAS REMOVED. YEAH. THEY DO HAVE THE LIST THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. SO THEY DO HAVE BUILDING MATERIAL AND HARDWARE SALES LIKE HOME DEPOT. I'M GUESSING. 
          BUT OR A LUMBER YARD. YEAH. I MEAN YOU COULD HAVE LIKE HOME DEPOT. I MEAN, IF YOU HAD LIKE, A LUMBER YARD MAYBE. YEAH. OR OR I MEAN, IT IS MORE COMMERCIAL ALONE, YOU KNOW, HOME COOKS AND. 31. SO I DON'T KNOW. ANYONE HAVE ANY FEELINGS ABOUT THAT FIRST ONE? BUILDING MATERIAL. NO. LIKE, FINE WITH IT BEING PERMITTED. OKAY. OKAY. COMPUTER SERVICES WILL REMOVE. 
          DO WE STILL WANT TO PUT THE THREE FLOOR CONDITIONAL USE ON THIS LIVING NURSING HOME AND SENIOR LIVING ASSUME THAT IT'S THERE. I DON'T THERE FOR THIS AREA. WOULD WE WANT TO I MEAN SINCE IT'S I MEAN IS THIS QUESTION, IS THIS GOING TO BE MORE OF YOUR INDUSTRIAL AREA? IS THAT THE THOUGHT COMMERCIAL? COMMERCIAL? OKAY, I THINK THE ONLY REASON AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS IS THINK OF THIS AS GEOGRAPHICS, YOU KNOW, ALSO FALL INTO THAT INTO AGAIN, THE DIVISION OF HOW THEY HAVE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS DARK LINE RUNNING THROUGH HERE. THAT KIND OF FALLS IN HERE. OKAY. SO THERE'S NOT MUCH DEVELOPMENT GOING TO HAPPEN OVER THERE. SO I THINK LIKE YOUR CARE FACILITY, LET'S JUST SAY THEY WENT AND PUT THE SINGLE STORY SENIOR LIVING HERE. WELL THIS SITE ON HERE MIGHT MAKE A PERFECT SPOT FOR THEM IF THEY DECIDE TO UPGRADE TO A SENIOR CARE FACILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY COULD BUY THIS, DO THAT NOW AND THEN COME BACK LATER, MAYBE BUY THAT IN ORDER TO DO IT NOW. THEY'RE CONNECTED UP, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING. IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS. IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THAT SIDE OF THE LINE. I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW. I MEAN, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BIG YELLOW AREA THERE, THERE ARE THREE FLOOR WALK UP APARTMENTS RIGHT NOW. YEAH. SO I, I, I LEAN TO NOT PUTTING THE CONDITIONAL USE ON THE ASSISTED LIVING NURSING HOME. AND AGAIN SENIOR CARE ON HERE I SHOULD BE SENIOR LIVING INDEPENDENCE THERE UNDERNEATH THE SCHOOL OKAY. YEAH. HALFWAY DOWN RIGHT THERE. YEAH. THREE QUARTERS. ALL RIGHT. SO DATA PROCESSING CALL CENTER MOVED TO CONDITIONAL OR CHANGE TO DO WE SAY WAS GOING TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION I THINK EITHER WAY YEAH. EITHER WAY YEAH. CONDITIONAL. I'M JUST WONDERING GENERAL RETAIL NO EMPLOYEE RESTRICTION. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. WE'RE TALKING LIKE THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT IN THERE BEFORE THAT WAS 50 EMPLOYEES. I THINK THAT HAD TO HAVE LIKE MORE THAN 50 EMPLOYEES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE LIKE, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE IT WAS KIND OF WEIRD. AND YEAH, IT WAS LIKE IT WAS SAYING YOU HAD TO HAVE A WALMART IN OR 
          [01:00:05]
SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? YEAH. LIKE OUR CODE HAS IT LISTED TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. SO 50 EMPLOYEES OR MORE. IF IT'S LESS THAN THAT, IT'S USUALLY JUST CALLED RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES. I THINK SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE AVAILABLE PARKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES. OKAY. ARE WE FINE WITH LEAVING IT AS PERMITTED OR. YES. OKAY. THAT'S POSSIBLE. IT'S LARGE AREA. YEAH. 
          MULTIFAMILY IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. RESTAURANTS, SCHOOLS, SENIOR LIVING. I MEAN MAYBE THE VEHICLE ONES. DO WE I MEAN, THEY'RE PERMITTED NOW. SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF LEFT THEM AS PERMITTED. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THIS ONE'S A LITTLE MORE COMMERCIAL AREA. SO YEAH OKAY. 
          SO YEAH. SIDE FROM DATA PROCESSING CALL CENTER. AND. REMOVING COMPUTER SERVICES. 
          OKAY. I THINK THAT WAS IT. OKAY. WE'LL SAY THAT APPLIES FOR C2 AS WELL. I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SORRY. SHOULD WE SAY AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION SHOULD WE SAY MULTIFAMILY IS CONDITIONAL SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A COMMERCIAL TYPE AREA. YES THERE WAS LONG ONES ARE DIFFERENT. OKAY. I'VE GOT ANOTHER THOUGHT. I MEAN, I THINK MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL ARE OFTEN CAN BE MIXED. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S JUST I WAS JUST WAIT, IS THAT BECAUSE I THINK OF WALMART AND THE ONE RIGHT THERE AND I'M LIKE RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I ARE WE MAKING THEM CONDITIONAL? IT'S A BIG DISCUSSION AREA. SEE. 
          AND THAT'S A YEAH I AGREE WITH YOU. I MEAN I'M QUESTIONING ON THAT YOUR VEHICLE SALES. JUST BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE. BILLY BOB'S USED CAR SALES THAT WANTS TO MOVE IN THERE. YOU KNOW I. OKAY. ARE YOU SAYING THE SALES SPECIFICALLY. BUT I'M JUST THINKING SALES. I'M THINKING SINCE, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THEM, BUT MAYBE THE VEHICLE SERVICE REPAIR, VEHICLE SALES AND VEHICLE FUEL SALES WHEN ACCESSORY TO PERMITTED USES, MAYBE THOSE OUGHT TO GO TO CONDITIONAL. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THAT. I'M LOOKING AT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME. SORRY. YEAH. WELL THOSE ARE ALL LISTED. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT. SO FOR VEHICLE SALES AND VEHICLE SERVICE, IF IT WAS LIKE A DEALERSHIP AND WAS ROPED INTO ONE, WOULD THAT BE TWO SEPARATE? WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME FOR TWO SEPARATE? WOULD IT BE A VEHICLE SALES AND A VEHICLE SERVICE, OR WOULD IT BE ONE UNDER. IT WOULD DEPEND WHICH IS THE PRIMARY USER OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE MOSTLY VEHICLE SALES, WHAT IF IT'S DEALERSHIP? WHAT IF IT'S BILLY BOB'S USED CARS AND BODY SHOP, BUT MOSTLY USED CARS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT NOT NO OFFENSE TO BILLY BOB, BUT. YEAH. SO ARE YOU THINKING BODY SHOP FUEL SALES, OTHER FUEL SALES, VEHICLE SALES? YEAH. I THINK ALL THE VEHICLES WASH FACILITY. I MEAN, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO SEE A WASH FACILITY THERE. YEAH, SO WOULD I, SO, SO I'D LIKE TO PERMITTED AND AND THEY WERE PERMITTED BEFORE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE. YEAH. THERE WAS ONE COMING SOON FOR SEVERAL YEARS. RIGHT. CAR WASH. YEAH. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THOSE ONES BE PERMITTED IF YOU WANT, FOR YOUR SALES. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU. MAKE THOSE CONDITIONAL. THAT'S A I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT ONE. LET'S. DO YOU KNOW. YEAH I WOULD SAY VEHICLES AND THAT WILL HELP YOU. THAT'LL HELP YOU IN THE FUTURE IN CASE SOMETHING. LET'S JUST SAY THE FUEL SALES GOES OUT OF BUSINESS AND BOB BUYS IT. THAT GIVES YOU GUYS BECAUSE HE'S GOT TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS TO SEE, MAKE SURE IT GETS CLEANED UP THE RIGHT WAY AND EVERYTHING GOING THAT WAY. OKAY. SO SO WE ARE SAYING BODY SHOP FUEL SALES, FUEL SALES AND VEHICLE SALES RIGHT. CORRECT. YEAH OKAY. WITH ALL THE VEHICLE. WELL YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH. IT'S A WASH OKAY MIKE. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT. I THINK HE'S OKAY WITH THE SALES BEING CONDITIONAL, THE OTHERS BEING PERMITTED BECAUSE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY THEY'RE PERMITTED VEHICLE AND WE HAVEN'T PERMITTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OKAY. SO SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S HARD FOR US TO COME BACK AND SAY YOU'RE SAYING FUEL SALES ARE PERMITTED? YES. BUT THE VEHICLE SALES IS CONDITIONAL. THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT BEING OKAY WITH THAT. YEAH I'M OKAY WITH THAT OKAY. 
          [01:05:01]
ANYTHING WITH FUEL. AND IT HAS TO BE PERMITTED BECAUSE WE ALREADY DO IT. WE ALREADY HAVE THEM IN THERE. SO WE CAN'T REALLY FLIP THAT BACK. YEAH. NO. MAKES SENSE. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. 
          GOOD GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO OF COURSE THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION APPLIES TO C1 AND C2. YEAH OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO DID I ALREADY SKIP PAST IT. YEAH. HE HE WOULD MAKE SENSE D1 SO THAT IS THE THINK OF IT ON THE LINES OF D. YEAH. AND CONSIDER D2 AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE AGAIN THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE LIKE THE SIR. WHICH ONE IS D2. IS THAT THE LAST. YEAH. OH YEAH I'M SORRY D1 IS ON THAT SIDE. SORRY. THE ONES THERE D1 AND D2 IS ON D1. D2 IS ALMOST FULLY DEVELOPED. YEAH. SO I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. YEAH. IT'S YOU SAY YOU HAVE A ONE LOT LEFT I THINK. YEAH. WE HAVE ONE LOT LEFT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET TWO OUT OF THAT ONE. 
          I THINK IT'S ONLY ONE. IT'S ONLY LIKE AN EIGHT JUST OVER AN ACRE OKAY. OKAY. I MEAN COMPUTER SERVICES AGAIN. TAKE THAT OFF. IT SEEMS A LOT LIKE C REALLY. SO. SO YEAH I DON'T VEHICLE SALES MOVE TO CONDITIONAL. JEFF SIMILAR TO C. YEP. SCROLL DOWN. MIKE CAN I GO BACK TO SEE THE C'S REAL QUICK. NO WE'RE WE ARE PAST I JUST ONE OF THE PERMITTED USES THAT THEY HAVE LISTED IS WIRELESS COMMUNICATION TOWERS. I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE C LOCATIONS IS A I DON'T KNOW IF WE MAKE THAT A CONDITIONAL USE OR WE IT WAS IN THERE BEFORE SO WE JUST LEFT IT. 
          IT'S KIND OF HOW WE ENDED UP DOING IT. IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW YOUR GUYS'S THOUGHTS ON THAT LOCATION FOR WIRELESS. COMMUNICATION. IS THAT ONE WIRELESS GUY. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN IN THEIR ZONE TO CONSIDER. YOU KNOW, IN MARYSVILLE, YOU'RE NOT LIKE ME JUST OUTSIDE OF TOWN, WHICH STRUGGLES FOR SERVICE. SO. I DON'T HAVE STRONG OPINIONS, BUT ANYONE FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD MOVE OR TO BE HONEST, I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU MIGHT NOTICE IT WHEN IT GETS CONSTRUCTED, BUT ONCE IT'S UP, YEAH, IT'S JUST PART OF THE LANDSCAPE. IF IT'S ALREADY PERMITTED, DO WE CAN WE EVEN IT CAN. BUT YEAH. YEAH. BUT YEAH I, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT. SO. ALL RIGHT OKAY I APPRECIATE YOU BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IT WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN OFF THE SCREEN. SO I SAW IT AND JUST MOVED ON. SO OKAY SO BACK TO D. WE'RE TALKING D1 AND D2 TOGETHER. WE'RE KIND OF THINKING IT'S SIMILAR TO C RIGHT. YEAH. WE WERE GOING YEAH. SO SO SAY A VEHICLE SALES MOVED TO PERMITTED FUEL SALES IS FINE. 
          REMOVE COMPUTER SERVICES. ANYTHING ELSE JUMP OUT ON THIS LIST. YOU SAID VEHICLE SALES TO CONDITION TO CONDITIONAL. I MAY HAVE SAID THAT WRONG, BUT. YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT FOR D1 AND D2. YEAH I THINK SO OKAY. AND THEN THERE IS. YEAH. SO ON THE E THEY CHANGED SOME THINGS. OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO KEEP IT AS THE ORIGINAL PUD TEXT WITH THAT BECAUSE IT IS DOES HAVE THE 14 ACRES IS BUILT OUT. SO IT CAN'T DO ANY MORE MULTIFAMILY THERE. BUT THEY CHANGED SOME OF THE USES. SO I'M SORRY, IS HE COMPLETELY BUILT OUT. SO FOR MULTIFAMILY. YOU SAID FOR MULTIFAMILY I'M SORRY E IS COMPLETELY FULL OF MULTIFAMILY RIGHT. SO YES. OKAY. THERE'S NO OTHER LOTS TO BE BUILT ON. NO. SO IF FOR SOME REASON, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THE APARTMENT IS VACANT AND YOU WANT TO TEAR IT DOWN, I GUESS, COME BACK TO US. YEAH, RIGHT. IT WAS THE EXACT KIND OF HAVE EXPLAINED TO HIM, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE CARE FACILITY, WHO SAYS THAT SOME CARE FACILITY DOESN'T BUY IT AND WANT TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A LIVING SPACE IN THE MIDDLE AND TAKES OUT THE CLUBHOUSE BECAUSE 
          [01:10:03]
THEY DON'T NEED IT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T WE CAN'T PREDICT WHAT'S GOING TO EVEN THOUGH IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED, WE CAN'T PREDICT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO IT, YOU KNOW. YEAH. SO YEAH. 
          CAN WE KICK THAT CAN TO THE FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THAT EVER HAPPENS. YEAH. I MEAN NOT NOT THAT IT'S A BIG DEAL. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I JUST SAID LEAVE IT ALONE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, IT IS FULLY DEVELOPED. BUT YOU WE SEE HOW REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENS AROUND IT. SURE. SO SO GO TO THE WRONG BUTTON. ALL RIGHT. SO BECAUSE I CLOSE THE PDF AFTER AREA E THEN IS IT DONE. YEAH. THAT'S IT. YEAH. YEAH. APPARENTLY SUBCONSCIOUSLY YOU KNEW YOU'RE DONE. NOW WE'LL JUST TAKE A VOTE ON EVERYTHING WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND. BUT BUT WE ALL HAVE GOOD NOTES. IT'S RECORDED. THAT'S ALL VERY RELIANT ON THAT. YEAH EXACTLY I AM THAT'S I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE ASKED FOR THAT RECORDING SO I CAN GO BACK. YEAH WE GET TALKING. WELL I MEAN THIS ONE THIS ONE'S POSTED DRB IS NOT. 
          YEAH. SO I HAVE TO ASK FOR THAT ONE. YEAH OKAY. BUT NO, I APOLOGIZE. I'M TRYING TO FIND MY MY PLACE WAS THEIR OTHER LANGUAGE FOR US TO REVIEW OR WAS IT JUST THE CONDITIONAL USES BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT LANDSCAPING, MOVING IT AND REORGANIZED IT, KEPT IT THE SAME. FIXED THE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THE FENCING WE HAD TO FIX AND THE WIDTH OF THE PAVEMENT AND STUFF THAT ENDED UP, YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALKS AND THAT, THAT WE HAD TO DO IN ORDER TO BRING UP THE CODE TO, TO MEET YOUR CODE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT AND JUST REORGANIZED IT. OKAY. DID WAS THERE ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, THEY THEY ADDRESSED OUR COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF REPORT. THEY SIMPLIFIED SOME OF THE SOME OF THE SIGN LANGUAGE. THEY SIMPLIFIED REMOVED SOME OF IT. THEY UPDATED LIKE THEIR SIDEWALKS TO FIVE FEET. THEY UPDATED TO HAVE A PATH ALONG 31 AND ROUTE FOUR. SO THEY UPDATED THE LANGUAGE FROM THE ENGINEER'S OFFICE THAT WAS REQUESTED. SO I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANYTHING IN THIS AREA THAT WE WENT BACK AND REVIEWED NEW, NEW SIGNAGE VERSUS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP IT IN LINE AND KEEP WHAT WAS IN LINE. OKAY. SO ANYTHING ELSE THEN TO DISCUSS ON THESE CHANGES, MR. BELL? I'LL HAVE ONE THING THAT I FORGOT AND YES, SIR. AND IT GOES TO. B1. SO EVERY SUB AREA HAS NURSERY AS A PERMITTED USE. B1 SAYS NURSERY SLASH GARDEN CENTER. SO I THINK WE JUST STRIKE THE GARDEN CENTER OUT OF THAT B1. I THINK WE HAD ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION IF IT WAS THAT TYPE OF NURSERY. YEAH. SO I THINK SO. I THINK THAT WAS WHERE THEY TRY TO CLARIFY IT. 
          THAT'S LIKE A GARDEN CENTER. BUT THEN THEY ADD THAT TO ALL THE SUB AREAS. SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE THAT CONSISTENT LANGUAGE OKAY. YOU WANT IT CONSISTENT WITH THE GARDEN CENTER OR CONSISTENT WITH THE GARDEN CENTER. SO IT IS A PLANTS NURSERY. YES. IS WHAT'S DEFINED NOW I HAVE STRONG FEELINGS NOW. NOW OKAY. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT. OKAY. 
          NO OTHER COMMENTS. WELL I OPEN UP TO CITIZEN COMMENTS I DON'T THINK ANY CITIZENS WERE IN. BUT THROUGHOUT THE CONVERSATION, ANY CITIZENS THINK OF ANYTHING THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT. WE CAN SWEAR YOU IN. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? AND I AM NOT GOING OVER. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. ALL THE STUFF. WELL, A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH ALL OF THE. ARE YOU. WHAT'S YOUR WILL, CHRIS? NO. DO YOU. YES. YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE. I MAKE A MOTION TO MOTION TO TABLE. SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. SECOND MOTION TO TABLE. OKAY. WAIT TO TABLE. WE ARE TABLE. I THOUGHT WE THOUGHT WE WERE APPROVING BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION. I MEAN WHAT'S YOUR WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT THEN. I JUST FIGURED THERE WAS TOO MANY. WELL WE JUST SPENT AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES WITH YOU. YEAH, HOPEFULLY. I MEAN, THINK OF THINK OF, THINK OF NEXT MONTH FOR OUR NEXT HOUR. I KNOW RIGHT. IT IS RECORDED AND HOPEFULLY WE ALL MADE NOTES I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN HOW DO YOU FEEL IF WE TABLE. I THINK IT'S THE EASY APPROVAL NEXT TIME. 
          BUT I MEAN WE'RE OKAY. I THINK LISTENING TO THE RECORDING AND AND THE NOTES I'VE TAKEN, I THINK IF YOU'RE, IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THE USES THAT YOU GUYS DISCUSSED BEING CONDITIONAL OR PERMITTED, I THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS LESLIE SAID MADE A COMMENT ABOUT REMOVING SOME ITEMS. IF IT WASN'T, WHEN IT FIT WITHIN THAT, BUT I THINK. IT WAS THE HOSPITAL AND THE OKAY. YEAH, LIKE I THINK SCHOOL K-12 
          [01:15:10]
DOESN'T FIT ON A THREE ACRE LIKE THAT KIND OF STUFF. YEAH, BUT WE DISCUSS THOSE IN EACH SECTION. OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE FINE WITH IT IF YOU GUYS ARE. I MEAN, AS LONG AS YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THOSE NOTES THAT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS ADMINISTRATION, MY ONLY WORRY THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF CAN WE'LL REVIEW THOSE. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ADDITIONAL WE'LL COORDINATE DIRECTLY WITH THE APPLICANT. WE CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN COME BACK IF THERE'S SOMETHING MAJOR LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, THIS ONE DIDN'T MAKE SENSE OR WHATEVER. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS WITH WITH THE CONDITION YOU HAVE TO LIST THE CONDITIONS. MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS FOR WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS LISTED ON THIS RECORDING. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. MR. ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. FISHER. YES, MISS? LAUB? YES. MR. YES. MR. NICKERSON? YES, MISS. BERGUS? YES. MR. WOLLOWITZ. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          HAPPY BIRTHDAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS NEXT MONTH WITH A COUPLE MORE I HAVE. IT WOULD HAVE HELPED IF YOU'D HAVE BROUGHT SOME PIZZA. WE WOULD HAVE MADE 
          [DISCUSSION ITEMS]
IT QUICKER. MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MOVES US ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. ANY THING TO DISCUSS AT THIS TIME. JUST THIS IS THE LAST MEETING FOR A COUPLE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR MR. AND MISS LAUB. JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR TIME SERVING ON THE BOARD. THEY'LL BE MISSED. AND WE APPRECIATE THE SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDED THE CITY OVER THE YEARS. SO 
          [DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT]
THANK YOU. TEARS. ALL RIGHT. DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT. WE HAD A LOT OF STUFF LAST TIME. CHRIS WAS A PART OF THAT MAPLE MEADOWS PAST. GREG, CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN ON THAT ONE, MAPLE MEADOWS I'M HAPPY THAT IT HOW IT ENDED UP. IT WAS GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WORKING SESSIONS LIKE THIS WITH YOU GUYS IS WE WANTED TO WORK FOR EVERYTHING. MARYSVILLE NORTH PASS WITH SOME MINOR STIPULATIONS. FOX FIRE CROSSING PASSED MINOR STIPULATIONS. 620 COLEMAN'S CROSSING, WHICH IS THE NEW ACURA STATION PAST 204 EAST FOURTH STREET. IT'S A REHAB ON THE EXTERIOR PASS, WITH SOME STIPULATIONS. OH. I'M SORRY. YEAH. BLESSED IS DID NOT PASS IT DID THE. WITH THE WHOLE GLASS FRONT. THE ONE WITH ALL THE GLASS FRONT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS BLESSED. BLESSED WAS THE HOUSE THAT WAS WHITE, THAT TURNED RED. AND WE ALLOWED VINYL WINDOWS. OH, THAT. YES. MATT. OKAY, SURE. YOU GUYS GETTING ALL THIS? 113 NORTH MAIN A MULTI-USE BUILDING TABLED FOR DESIGNS. THAT'S THE ONE THAT WITH THE ALL GLASS FRONT. AND THEY CAME BACK. YEAH. THEY KNOW NOTHING BACK YET. 
          THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK IN JANUARY THEN MAYBE. ISN'T THIS THIS I GOTCHA 517 EAST FIFTH WINDOWS WERE PURCHASED. THAT'S THE BLESSED ONE. WE DID ALLOW THE THE VINYL. I MEAN, AFTER ALL, IT WAS FOR THREE. IT WAS FOR THREE FOR THAT FINAL. OKAY. DID THE BZA DID NOT SHOW UP. SO THE NEXT. OKAY. GOTCHA. SECOND CHANCES, NEW SIGNAGE LOOK GOOD. IT'S GOING TO LOOK REAL GOOD. I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING OVER THERE. HE'S REALLY WORKING HARD. IN 602 WEST FOURTH STREET WAS TABLED AGAIN. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS 602 WAS. YES. YEAH. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE CAME IN AND I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING. A LONG, LONG MEETING. YEAH. STUFF DOWN THERE. 
          [COMMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS:]
SO ALL RIGHT. COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS I'LL START WITH THE DEPARTING MEMBERS FIRST, PLEASE. I GAVE MY SAPPY COMMENT LAST MEETING JUST IN CASE THIS ONE GOT CANCELED, BUT WAS A PLEASURE TO SERVE WITH YOU FINE PEOPLE OVER THESE LAST FEW YEARS. AND THANK YOU AS WELL. SAD TO GO, BUT I'VE REALLY ENJOYED BEING WITH YOU GUYS AND GETTING TO KNOW YOU AND JUST SEEING WHAT THE CITY, HOW INVOLVED EVERYBODY IS AND HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPERS REALLY TAKE TO HELP BUILD OUR COMMUNITY, I APPRECIATE IT. IT 
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JUST IT'S IT'S EYE OPENING AS A CITIZEN. AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU JEN. I WISH I HAD A SAPPY COMMENT, BUT NO COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT MR. STEWART, NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. MR. FISHER, THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR SERVICE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ON ANOTHER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. I'VE GOT A FEW MORE OF MY BILLS STILL. I FIGURED YOU DO. MAYBE. MAYBE ONE DAY WHEN I DON'T HAVE SO MANY KIDS AND SO MANY. AND MYSELF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. IT'S BEEN A JOY WORKING WITH BOTH OF YOU. 
          REMINDER, JANUARY, WE VOTE FOR A NEW CHAIR AND IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED. BUT I WILL ALSO I WILL DO IT IF NO ONE ELSE DOES. BUT BUT I'M ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DO IT. THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO SO. WITH THAT I GUESS. HAPPY HOLIDAYS, MERRY CHRISTMAS! A MOTION TO ADJOURN MOTION. I'LL TAKE A JOB AND PURPOSE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.