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THE GUY. THAT. ALLOWED. ALL RIGHT. IT IS TUESDAY, MARCH 3RD, 2026 630. CALLALL THIS MEETING F
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PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. ENGEL HERE, MR. FISHER HERE.MR. MCSHERRY HERE. MR. NICKERSON'S EXCUSED. MR. STILIAN PRESENT. MR. HERE.
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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IS EVERYONE REVIEWED LAST MONTHS MINUTES. AND DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. MOTION APPROVAL. THANK YOU. CHAD. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SWEARING IN OF CITIZENS, APPLICANTS, ANYONE[SWEARING OF CITIZENS & APPLICANTS]
THAT'S GOING TO TALK THIS EVENING. IF WE HAVE A PART, HAVE TWO. IS IS IT AN AGENDA ITEM OR NON AGENDA JUST IN CASE. ALL RIGHT. STAND RAISE YOUR RIGHT ARM. DO YOU DECLARE THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND OR FALSIFICATION SIGNAL SAYING I WILL. ALL R RIGHT. THANK YOU. AL[1. To hear an application for Zoning Code Amendments to Part Eleven - Appendix - Glossary of Terms.]
RIGHT. GET READY TO DO BUSINESS. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS TO PART 11, APPENDIX. GLOSSARY OF TERMS. WE WILL JUST HAVE A STAFF ITEMS TONIGHT OR ZONING AMENDMENTS SO WE CAN RUN THROUGH THIS WITH YOU GUYS. AND THEN AFTER THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSION AS WELL.OKAY. SO WE WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH OUR ZONING CODE. WE'VE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT NEED ADJUSTED OR AMENDED. SO THE ONES WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT INITIALLY WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS OUR DATA PROCESSING AND CALL CENTERS. AFTER MEETING WITH OUR LAW DIRECTOR THIS AFTERNOON, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT ONE ON HOLD. WE LEFT IT IN THE PRESENTATION JUST BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE PACKET THAT WENT OUT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO AMEND OUR CURRENT DEFINITION OF CHILD DAYCARE TO INCLUDE BOTH ADULT AND CHILD DAYCARE, BECAUSE OUR CURRENT CODE IS MISSING ADULT DAYCARES.
THAT'S A USE THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY. AND JUST THROUGH REVIEWING A COUPLE PERMITS, GOING THROUGH THE USES AND SOME OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS, NOTICE THAT IT'S NOT IN THERE. SO I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST THAT DEFINITION AND THEN PUT IT IN THE DISTRICTS AS PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL. AND WE'LL GET THROUGH THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. THE OTHER ITEM IS HOME OCCUPATION. WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST THAT JUST BASED ON KIND OF TRENDS, WITH SOME OF THE HOME OCCUPATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR CONDITIONAL USE, WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT THAT INTO A MAJOR AND MINOR HOME OCCUPATIONS. SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT USE IS, WHETHER IT'S PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL, DEPENDING ON THE INTENSITY TRAFFIC GENERATED, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO DEFINITION UPDATE FOR REAR YARD TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR. AS WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING PERMITS FOR SOME PROJECTS, THE DEFINITION ISN'T REAL CLEAR AS FAR AS LIKE WHERE A POOL OR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CAN GO. IF THE THE REAR YARD IS NOT VERY WELL DEFINED BASED ON THE SPECIFIC HOUSE AND LOT, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH WHERE THOSE SOME OF THOSE USES WILL BE ADDED TO PERMITTED AND CONDITIONAL USES IN THE VARIOUS DISTRICTS. SO YEAH, LIKE I MENTIONED DATA CENTER, WE WERE GOING TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. BUT BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR WE'RE GOING TO REVISIT THIS. SO THIS WILL BE BROUGHT BACK AT A LATER TIME. AND I THINK THE INTENT OF THAT REVISION WAS TO CLARIFY THAT THE ORIGINAL DEFINITION WAS INTENDED MORE FOR LIKE A CALL CENTER DATA PROCESSING AND NOT SOME OF THE LARGER SCALE DATA CENTERS THAT WE'RE SEEING RECENTLY. SO WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CLARIFICATION WITHIN THE DEFINITION. BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT LANGUAGE AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH THAT. SO DAYCARE OR CHILD AND ADULT DAYCARE, THE OUR CURRENT DEFINITION IS WITH THE STRIKETHROUGH. AND WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE IT SIMILAR TO WHAT SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE, WHERE ONE
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DEFINITION COVERS BOTH ADULT AND CHILD DAYCARE USES. IT'S THIS IS KIND OF SIMPLIFIED. BUT THOSE USES LIKE THEY HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS WITH THE STATE OF OHIO. SO THIS JUST COVERS THE LAND USE ASPECT OF IT. IF THEY WANT TO OPEN UP, THEY'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC PROVISIONS OF THE OHIO REVISED CODE AND THEN ANY BUILDING CODE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THAT USE AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, THIS JUST ADDS ADULT DAYCARE AS A USE IN OUR GLOSSARY. AND THEN WE'LL DESIGNATE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS WHERE IT'S EITHER PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL. DO THE ADULT DAYCARE NEED TO BE LICENSED BY THE STATE OF OHIO TO. YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT MENTIONS IT FOR THE CHILD CARE, BUT NOT FOR THE ADULT. YEAH, WE CAN ADD THAT IF WE IF YOU THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD THE SPECIFIC ORC SECTION, BUT I THINK IF THEY WANT TO OPEN UP, THEY HAVE TO GET SPECIFIC LICENSES WITH THE STATE BEFORE DOING SO. NEXT ONE. SO HOME OCCUPATION, OUR CURRENT DEFINITION IS PRETTY BROAD. AND IT IT CREATES MAYBE AN UNDUE HURDLE FOR SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO JUST MAKE SOME BAKED GOODS OUT OF THEIR HOUSE AND SELL THOSE KIND OF ON THE SIDE. WE DIDN'T KNOW OUR ASSESSMENT IS THAT MIGHT NOT MEET THE INTENT, OR IT SHOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF REVIEW AND SCRUTINY AS LIKE A HOME OFFICE OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE INTENSE.SO THIS SPLITS THOSE INTO TWO DIFFERENT SEPARATE DEFINITIONS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LAYS OUT PARAMETERS FOR WHAT CAN BE JUST A STRAIGHT ZONING PERMIT OR WHAT MIGHT REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASED TRAFFIC IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. STILL SOME SAFEGUARDS AGAINST THAT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL OFF STREET PARKING. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GENERATE MORE THAN TYPICAL TRAFFIC. THAT WOULD BE YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND ALSO ADDS PROVISION FOR LIKE A WORK FROM HOME SITUATION, WHICH WE DON'T THINK YOU REALLY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE TO TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE TO DO, LIKE TELECOMMUTE OR WORK FROM HOME. WHAT IS THE THE STRAIGHT ZONING PROCESS THEN? FOR THOSE THAT MEET THE THE MINOR HOME, I THINK IT'D BE SIMILAR TO LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO GET A SHED, PUT A SHED, OR PUT UP A FENCE. YOU JUST SUBMIT A ZONING PERMIT FOR THAT CHANGE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? THIS ONE'S A PRETTY SIMPLE UPDATE. THE GREEN TEXT IS OUR CURRENT CODE. WE'RE JUST ADDING THE THE TEXT NEAREST TO THE REAR LOT LINE. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN REVIEWING APPLICATIONS FOR FOR POOLS OR FOR SHEDS OR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IS THAT IF THERE'S AN ATTACHED GARAGE AND THAT THE REAR OF THAT BUILDING IS FARTHER OR CLOSER OR FARTHER AWAY FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, THE THAT AREA IS STILL UNDER THIS DEFINITION IS PART OF THE REAR YARD. SO SOMEONE COULD PUT A POOL OR A SHED OR SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE CLOSER TO THE SIDE SIDE PROPERTY LINE AND CLOSER TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. SO WE WANT TO DEFINE THE REAR YARD AS BEING THE CLOSEST ELEVATION, STARTING AT THE CLOSEST ELEVATION OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK PROPERTY LINE. AND THIS IS JUST A GRAPHIC TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE WHERE THOSE BOUNDARIES ARE. SO THE THE LIGHT GREEN COLOR, THE TOP OF THE SCREEN WOULD BE THE REAR YARD. THE SIDE YARD IS IN THE DARK GREEN. AND THEN FRONT YARDS WOULD BE THE THE OTHER SHADE OF GREEN. AND THEN THE ONES ON THE ENDS ARE CORNER LOTS. SO THEY HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS. TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR FOR APPLICANTS. AND IN OUR REVIEW PROCESS FOR WHERE PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE A ZONING PERMIT ARE PERMITTED TO GO BASED ON THE ZONING TEXT. WHAT IF A STRUCTURE HAS LIKE A SUNROOM ADDITION THAT'S NOT THE FULL WIDTH OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? IS? WOULD THAT THEN COUNT AS SIDE YARD? OR DOES THE BACKYARD FOLLOW THE CONTOUR OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? SO THE BACKYARD IS JUST GOING TO BE A STRAIGHT LINE PARALLEL WITH THE BACK PROPERTY LINE. AND IT STARTS AT THE WHATEVER PORTION OF THAT HOUSE, WHETHER IT'S AN ATTACHED GARAGE OR A SUNROOM ADDITION, WHATEVER ELEVATION IS CLOSEST TO THE REAR YARD, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BOUNDARY OF OR LIKE THE STARTING POINT FOR THE REAR YARD. AND I THINK WE CAN UPDATE THE IMAGES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY THAT SHOW LIKE THE SUNROOM ON THE BACK. SO I THINK MAYBE WE'LL UPDATE UPDATE THE IMAGES TO INCLUDE A SUNROOM TO TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. YEAH. I WONDER IF WRAPPING AROUND THE SIDE OF IT SHOULD BE ALSO
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CONSIDERED REAR YARD AS WELL. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO IF YOU HAD SAY THERE'S A SAY THE BACK OF THAT HOUSE, ANY ONE OF THOSE IS 40FT AND YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT BY TEN FOOT ADDITION RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, THE AREAS TO THE SIDE WHERE YOU MAYBE TYPICALLY SEE A PATIO OR SOMETHING IS THAT SIDE YARD OR IS THAT BACKYARD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO PAST THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ANYTHING NORTH ON THAT PHOTO, ANYTHING NORTH OF THE LAST STRUCTURE IS REAR YARD. AND AND IT ONLY IMPACTS CERTAIN PROJECTS LIKE LIKE A POOL, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE SIDE YARD. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE KIND OF ONE OF THAT ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION YOU COULD PUT A PATIO IN A SIDE YARD. SO IN THAT SCENARIO, IF YOU HAD A SUNROOM THAT COMES OUT IN THE MIDDLE, MIDDLE OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, YOU COULD STILL HAVE A PATIO THERE, BUT YOU COULDN'T HAVE A POOL THERE. I GUESS IS THE INTENT FOR THAT. DO WE HAVE ANY IN ANY OF OUR DISTRICTS PERCENTAGES OF REAR YARD THAT LIKE THE LIKE FOR OPEN SPACE? YEAH. IT'S NOT BROKEN DOWN BY WHICH YARD. IT'S JUST OVERALL. GOOD. AND THEN THIS IS WHERE WE'LL GET INTO WHERE SOME OF THOSE NEW DEFINITIONS OR AMENDED DEFINITIONS WILL BE PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL. SO I'M JUST GOING TO LIST LIST OUT BY WHETHER IT'S PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL. AND THEN THERE'S VARIOUS DISTRICTS. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO WAS THAT FIRST AGENDA ITEM. OH SORRY. RIGHT HERE I THINK WE COULD DO A VOTE FOR THOSE. MOTION TO APPROVE.SECOND, I DON'T THINK WITH THE CONDITION WITH THE UPDATE, THE GRAPHIC. OH I DON'T WOULD YOU WANT US TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT UPDATED GRAPHIC FOR JEFF FOR THIS. YEAH WE CAN. YEP. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THREE HERE AND I HAPPEN TO HAVE A PRESENTATION WITH ME.
BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ON THE DATA CENTER, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE DATA CENTER, BUT YOU GUYS MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER. I GAVE THE WHOLE PRESENTATION TO ASHLEY.
DATA CENTERS IS REALLY THREE PIECES. THE ONE EVERYBODY'S ATTACKING IS CALLED THE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTER. THAT'S FOR AI FOR MASSIVE AMOUNT OF POWER, WATER AND THOSE THINGS.
THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S AFRAID OF. BUT MOST BUSINESSES HAVE WHAT IS CALLED AN ENTERPRISE DATA CENTER IN THEM. NESTLE HAS ONE, HONDA HAS ONE. NATIONWIDE HAD ONE ON THE 13TH FLOOR. IT SUPPORTS THEIR OWN OPERATION. MUCH SMALLER. DOESN'T TAKE THE WATER, THE POWER THAT ANYTHING ELSE DOES. AND THEN YOU HAVE CO-LOCATION WHERE A COMPANY WILL DO A DATA CENTER. BUT IT'S FOR PRIVATE PURPOSES. SO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES STORE THEIR INFORMATION THERE. THOSE THREE ARE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT. IF YOU EITHER BAN THEM OR MAKE THEM A CONDITIONAL, YOU MAY TAKE BUSINESSES THAT REQUIRE A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER IN THEIR OPERATION AND AND CAUSE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING SO. SO I GAVE IT AS YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, THAT I GAVE HER THE WHOLE PRESENTATION AND JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT IT'S REALLY THE HYPERSCALE THAT HAS THE GENERATORS AND THE NOISE AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS.
SO YEAH, CAN I HAVE THE HYPERSCALE? IS THERE LIKE A MAXIMUM OR MINIMUM SQUARE FOOT, LIKE WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOT DIFFERENT SIZE. NO. WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK SOMEBODY MUCH SMARTER THAN ME, BUT MATT MCQUAID COULD PROBABLY HELP ANSWER THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING DATA CENTERS LIKE JEROME TOWNSHIP DID ELIMINATES A COMPANY LIKE NESTLE OR A BUSINESS FROM COMING IN THERE THAT HAS EVEN A 5000 SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER, RIGHT. WITH THE MORATORIUM. NOW YOU GUYS ARE CONDITIONAL USE. BUT WHAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN IF THEY HAVE A DATA CENTER COMPONENT, IT WILL GET KICKED OUT. THE WHOLE USE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL PROCESS, AND THAT IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT I'M NOT. I'M JUST SHARING INFORMATION. GAVE THE WHOLE PRESENTATION TO ASHLEY. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE IT AND SHARE IT WITH TIM AS IT GOES THROUGH, WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THIS PRESENTATION AND HAVE DEREK SWIM. HE'S GOING TO DO A VIDEO ON IT AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF LITTLE YOUTUBES.
THINGS TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE MYTHS IN THERE. AND I SAY HIS NAME WRONG. NO, WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST. YEAH. CAN WE GET SOME? CAN WE HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND EDUCATE US ON DATA CENTERS, THE TYPES AND THE. I THINK THIS PRESENTATION PROBABLY I'M STUPID WHEN IT COMES TO DATA CENTERS, BUT THIS PRESENTATION DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING SOME OF THE MYTHS AND THOSE THINGS. HE'D EVEN ADDRESS THINGS LIKE POWER. EVERYBODY THINKS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DATA CENTERS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED FOR THOSE IS WHAT'S CAUSING THE
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RESIDENTIAL PUCO DOESN'T ALLOW INFRASTRUCTURE ON BUSINESSES AND DATA CENTERS TO CROSS RATES INTO THE RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET EVERY SINGLE RESIDENTIAL RATE. AND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE HAD BO AND ANTHONY FROM URI IN THE ROOM AND THEY WEREN'T DISAGREEING WITH IT. SO PEOPLE THINK THAT THEIR BILL HAS WENT UP 20%, WHICH IT HAS, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY LIKELY THE CONSEQUENCES OF PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS THINKING THAT WE WERE GOING TO SOLVE SOLUTIONS WITH WINDMILLS AND WATER VERSUS COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS, THAT WE HAVEN'T BUILT 1 IN 35 YEARS, AND WE HAVEN'T BUILT A NEW NUCLEAR PLANT IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. AND YOU GO TO GOOGLE THAT. BUT THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT IN THIS PRESENTATION. I'M NOT FOR OR AGAINST DATA CENTERS. I JUST THINK ONLINE, ETC. THAT THE INFORMATION IS SO SKEWED THAT IT'S NOT FUNNY. AND, AND THIS, THIS WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE, THE BEST MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THINGS. BUT MATT WOULD PROBABLY BE YOUR EXPERT ON THE DATA CENTER. SO THANK YOU GUYS OKAY. AND IT WAS UNDER FIVE MINUTES. SO YOU WERE TIMING. THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU. DO YOU GUYS WANT ANY MORE CONVERSATION WITH THAT REAR SETBACK I KIND OF DREW UP AN EXAMPLE KIND OF I THINK WHAT MATT WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO RIGHT NOW OUR DEFINITION WOULD CALL THIS THE REAR SETBACK. BUT THEN THE GREEN LINE WOULD BE MORE OF WHAT MATT'S DISCUSSING, WHERE THE THE REAR WOULD BE SIDE RIGHT. THE RED IS THE REAR, THE GREEN IS, WELL, THE WAY THAT MATT'S TALKING THAT THE GREEN WOULD BE REAR FOR THAT PORTION. AND THEN THE OTHER PORTION WOULD BE ALSO GREEN INSTEAD OF GOING FROM THE VERY BACK PORTION. IF IT'S LIKE THE SUNROOM ON THE BACK, THAT'S FROM WHERE THE NEAREST PART OF THAT PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, OR YOU INCORPORATE THIS AND THIS, AND THEN THE SIDE GOES HERE. WELL, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THAT SUNROOM WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT WOULD EXPOSE IT WOULD BE A SITE, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE REAR YARD SHOULD BE PAST THE FARTHEST POINT OF THE STRUCTURE, LIKE PAST THAT RED LINE, THAT RED LINE, AND THEN EVERYTHING, AND THEN THAT TO THE RIGHT OF THAT RED LINE WOULD BE SIDE YARD OR. NO, THAT ISN'T WHAT I WOULD. I'M I'M OUT FOR DEBATE. YEAH. NO, I'M, I'M THINKING SO I DO LIKE WHERE THE RED LINE IS.YES. THAT'S THE REAR YARD. I DON'T BUT I THINK THAT THE YARD TO THE NORTH PLAN NORTH SHOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED YOUR REAR YARD IN THE, IN THE, IN THE L CORRECT. BUT SO WHAT IF THAT'S ON A CORNER. WELL THAT'S. I STILL I DON'T KNOW I'M JUST ASKING. YEAH. THE SIMPLIFIED THAT'S WHY I THINK IT SHOULD ALL BE. EVERY HOUSE IS GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT STORY TO IT.
YEAH. YEAH. LABELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH. IF, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A CORNER LOT THEN THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THAT HOUSE IN FRONT OF THAT IT'S GOING TO BE FRONT YARD. IT'S ON A CORNER LOT. YOU HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS. OH GOTCHA. GOTCHA. SOME HOT BACKYARD TALK WE GOT. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THAT L SHOULD BE BACKYARD. I JUST FEEL THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE LIMITED IN THE USE THERE. IS IT LIMITING A USE. IT'S IT'S MORE A SETTING OF A BOUNDARY FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN THE REAR YARD. SO. SO THIS IS CHAD'S HOUSE. CHAD WANTS TO PUT A POOL IN HIS REAR YARD. WHERE COULD SHE HAVE PUT A POOL BEHIND? TO THE LEFT OF THE RED LINE? IF WE'RE GOING BY THAT CHAD DEFINITION, THE RED LINE. WELL, I GUESS IF IF THE IF THE THIS LINE IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE POOL, IF THE REAR YARD IS DEFINED BY THE GREEN L SHAPE AND THAT'S A REAR YARD, YOU COULD PUT A POOL THERE. BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS AS A TEN FEET FROM THE HOUSE. RIGHT. AND THEN ANY SIDE YARD REQUIREMENTS. SO IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE YOU'D BE ABLE TO PUT A POOL IN THAT L SHAPE.
BUT IF THE HOUSE IS SHAPED DIFFERENTLY AND THE DIFFERENT CORNER LOT AND IT'S AN L SHAPE WITH A THREE CAR GARAGE IN THE, THE ATTACHED GARAGE IS 40FT. BUT BEHIND THAT IS BACKYARD SPACE. BUT REALLY BE FROM THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER GOING TO BE A SITUATION, BUT I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THE GARAGE LIVABLE SPACE. THIS DIDN'T WE. PRIMARY STRUCTURE. YEAH. AND SO ON. OUR CURRENT ON OUR CURRENT AND UNDER OUR CURRENT DEFINITION IF IT'S AN ATTACHED
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GARAGE, BUT THE GARAGE IS FARTHER AWAY FROM THE REAR YARD THAN THAT'S WHERE THE FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE REAR YARD STARTS IS THE BACK OF THAT GARAGE AND WHERE IT COULD HAVE IMPACTS. IS IT NOW SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A POOL THERE. IT'S A LOT CLOSER TO MAYBE THAT SIDE PROPERTY LINE. AND IT'S IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A SIDE YARD THAN A REAR YARD. HOW MANY POOL PERMITS DO YOU GET A SUMMER, I DON'T KNOW, 20, 30, I THINK WE AND HOW MANY WOULD THIS AFFECT? WE NEED TO GET IT CLARIFIED BECAUSE IT'S AFFECTING SOME OF THEM. YEAH OKAY. JUST WHITEWASH AND SAY YEAH WHAT WHAT IF YOU HAVE A LOT THAT'S A COUPLE ACRES AND THE HOUSE ISN'T PERFECTLY SQUARE TO THE ROAD AND IT'S ANGLED. I MEAN, THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER RABBIT HOLE THAT WE COULD GO DOWN TO. THE PARALLEL WITH THE HOUSE. AND THE HOUSE WAS ANGLED. SO THAT HITS THE FRONT. I FEEL LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME INSTANCES WHERE SOMEONE WANTED THAT POOL TO KIND OF COME UP AND BE TUCKED IN BETWEEN THAT L SHAPE, AND RIGHT NOW, IT WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR THAT. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE BEST PRACTICE IS PUTTING A POOL THAT CLOSE TO YOUR HOUSE ANYWAY. WELL, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO BE THE TEN FOOT OFFSET, BUT IF THAT SUNROOM EXTENDED 30FT DOWN, WHAT'S THAT I SEE? THEY'RE LIKE TEN FEET OFF AND. YEAH, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? BUT I SEE HIM. SO I MEAN, IF THAT IF THAT SUNROOM WAS 30FT LONG AND THEN YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT THAT SUNROOM ALSO ACTED AS LIKE A POOL HOUSE OR SOMETHING. THERE WAS ACCESS RIGHT OUT THERE TO THE POOL, BUT YOU HAD THAT PORTION KIND OF TUCKED INTO THAT L TEN FOOT BUFFER AROUND IT. WHAT DO YOU WANT ONE OF THOSE, LIKE BUILT IN HOT TUBS WITH THE POOL AND THAT YOU WANT THAT CLOSER. BUT THAT'S ALL TIED IN WITH THE POOL. YEP. SO WHAT WORDS WOULD YOU USE TO MAKE THAT L SHAPE A BACKYARD? I DON'T KNOW, FOLLOWS THE CONTOUR OF THE FOUNDATION. THAT IS THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD START. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS WHERE THAT POOLS ON THAT LINE. BECAUSE THAT GIVES YOU ENOUGH ROOM FOR SOMEONE TO WALK BY. AND THE WHEELCHAIR. WELL MINIMUM CUT. WELL, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GO TO CODE. YOU GOT SOMEBODY TO TALK, RIGHT? WHAT DO YOU GOT, BARB? SO SO A LOT OF CODES DEFINE THE REAR, REAR, REAR YARD. JUST THE SETBACK. THAT'S THE SETBACK AREA. THE SIDE YARDS DEFINE THAT. THE REST OF IT IS CALLED THE BUILDING ENVELOPE. AND IF YOU DEFINE IT THAT WAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS BECAUSE THE BUILDING ENVELOPE BECOMES ANYTHING IN THE YARD THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE SETBACKS AS YOU DEFINE THEM. SO IF YOU DO THAT, THAT L SHAPE THAT IS THERE IS JUST PART OF THE BUILDING ENVELOPE. NOW, YOUR POOL REQUIREMENT COULD STILL HAVE ADDITIONAL DISTANCES FROM THE BUILDING AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, BUT ANYTHING COULD GO WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY NOT IN YOUR PREDEFINED SIDE YARD, FRONT YARD, AND REAR YARD SIGNS. SO I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO DEFINE REAR YARD, BUT IT COULD GET YOU IN TROUBLE BECAUSE JUST TO FIND THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND THEY CAN WHATEVER THEY WANT IN THERE BASED ON YOUR ENGINEERING. SO AND THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO SAY I STILL THINK I'M UNDEFINED. YOU'RE STILL YOU'RE GOOD. IF I DIDN'T SAY GREG WAS GOING TO SAY IT. IT'S JUST THOUGHT THAT THE BUILDING GIVES YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY. ARE YOU DRAWING? SAY, THIS IS THE FRONT YARD HERE. THIS IS YOUR ROAD, AND YOU HAVE A WRAP AROUND DRIVEWAY OF ACREAGE. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THAT IT'S ANGLED BECAUSE YOU LIKE THE SUNLIGHT COMING IN. IS THIS THE BACKYARD? IT COMES DOWN, HITS THE STREET. WHERE'S THAT SIDE YARD? BECAUSE IT'S FRONT YARD. BECAUSE IT HITS THE STREET. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. NO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE FRONT YARD. THAT'S BY THE DEFINITION.RIGHT. IT'S THE THAT'S THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. YEAH. BUT PER OUR DEFINITION MARYSVILLE DEFINITION WOULD GO APPARENTLY GO FROM HERE TO HERE. RIGHT. AND THAT IS THAT ISN'T BUT IT'S ON A CORNER LOT. SO THE ROAD DOESN'T GO THAT WAY. I LIKE THE, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE IDEA. AND I WANT TO BEAT THOSE. YEAH. YOU'RE. CHAD HATES WHEN WE GET INTO DEFINITIONS. YEAH. WE ARGUE DEFINITIONS A LOT. I KNOW, BUT IF WE CAN JUST KEEP IT MORE SIMPLE, WE CAN KEEP IT THE
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BETTER, I THINK. SO, THE TABLE OF TEN. I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE IT IF WE CAN'T GET A DEFINITION.I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A DEFINITION RIGHT NOW. CITY STAFF TO WORK WITH BART BAROQUE. WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES. YEAH YEAH YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S GOT YOU JUST DREW WOULD REALLY LIMIT WHAT A BACKYARD IS THAT ONLY APPLY IN ART? PROBABLY WITH BIGGER LOTS. RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE? MOTION TO TABLE. AND THAT'S YOU'RE JUST TABLING THE REAR YARD DEFINITION OKAY. THE REAR YARD. YES. SORRY. THOSE OTHER THINGS WITH THAT. YEAH. AND WHAT ELSE DID WE HAVE. WE HAD TO UPDATE THE IMAGES. BUT SINCE WE'RE THIS TABLE WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. SO THIS IS JUST THE CHILD CARE. THEN WE ARE TABLING HOME OCCUPATION. THE HOME OCCUPATION.
GOOD. GOT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. WALNUTS? YES. MR. ENGEL? YES.
MR. FISHER? YES. MR. MCKAY. YES. MR. STILLMAN. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR THE MINOR HOME
[2. To hear an application for Zoning Code Amendments to Part Eleven - Chapter 1121 Districts and Overlays, addressing permitted and conditional uses.]
OCCUPATION, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THAT AS A PERMITTED USE UNDER THESE ZONING DISTRICTS.WE KIND OF WENT WITH THESE DISTRICTS BASED ON WHERE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY. AND THAT MIGHT EVEN BE LIKE REGIONAL MIXED USE IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL, BUT THERE'S SOME MULTIFAMILY UNITS WITHIN THERE. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE CONSIDERATION FOR THAT.
AND THEN CONDITIONALLY FOR MAJOR OR FOR MAJOR HOME OCCUPATION WOULD BE CONDITIONAL.
AND IT WOULD FOLLOW SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR CURRENT HOME OCCUPATION REQUIREMENTS ARE AND WOULD BE IN THESE ZONING DISTRICTS. WAS THERE TEN ON THE ORIGINAL OR ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? SO IT JUST IT LOOKED LIKE IT SWITCHED. IT GOT SMALLER I THINK SMALLER, YEAH.
IT LOOKS LIKE 10 TO 10. OKAY. COOL. OKAY. I WAS TRYING TO MESS WITH THE FORMATTING AND IT WAS MAKING IT ALL WEIRD. I DON'T KNOW WHY. WHAT HAPPENED? AND THEN THE CHILD AND ADULT DAYCARE CENTERS PERMITTED IN NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND REGIONAL MIXED USE, CONDITIONAL AND SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL AND HMD. AND WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS CLOSER TO THE UPTOWN. AND JUST WITH THE NATURE OF THE USE, WHERE THERE'S USUALLY BUSSING OR HIGHER TRAFFIC, SOME OF THE DISTRICTS IN THE UPTOWN AREN'T REALLY CONDUCIVE TO THAT. NEXT QUESTION ABOUT THE ADULT DAYCARE. ARE YOU ENVISIONING THIS BEING MULTIPLE ADULTS WITHIN THE DAYCARE FACILITY, LIKE, OKAY, LIKE THE GABLES OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE OR.
BLESS LLC IS ONE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT OPERATES ON EAST FIFTH STREET. I THINK. WE FORGET ABOUT THAT ONE. OH THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE WE HAVE THIS USE DEFINED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT DESIGNATED IN ANY DISTRICT. SO THIS JUST KIND OF CLEAN UP TO ALLOW FOR THAT USE.
WE WANTED TO LIST IT AS PERMITTED IN CONDITIONAL AND THESE OTHER DISTRICTS. AND THAT COULD BE A YOGA STUDIO OR, YOU KNOW, SMALLER SCALE FITNESS STUDIOS.
THAT IS THE THAT'S THE CURRENT DEFINITION THAT IS IN OUR CODE. WE JUST AREN'T WE AREN'T CHANGING IT. BUT WE HAD IT IN THE CODE, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE IT IN ANY DISTRICTS. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS. SO YOU'RE AWARE.
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ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE. SEEMS A LITTLE LIGHT FOR PERMITTED USES FOR A GYM. ANY THOUGHTS ON INCLUDING OTHER DISTRICTS FOR BEING STRAIGHT PERMITTED? I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, SOME OF THEM COULD BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER SCALE. JEFF, CAN YOU PULL THAT DEFINITION UP AGAIN? SO WE FELT LIKE IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT AS CONDITIONAL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING MORE THAN A SMALL GYM GOING IN A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING, THAT IT'S IT'S LOOKED AT LIKE A RACQUETBALL CLUB OR PICKLEBALL CLUB OR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A LARGER FACILITY, INDOOR TENNIS. IT'S ALONG THOSE LINES. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO ADD CONDITIONAL USE TO ANY OF THE MORE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS? WE HAVE UP THERE? WE HAVE. I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHERE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF PARCELS THAT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL FOCUSED, THOSE ARE PROBABLY DESIGNATED IN OUR CODE AS SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL. VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE OUR OTHER ONE. BUT USUALLY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL AREA. I GUESS WE'RE THINKING MORE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS PUDS THEY CAN. AND AND THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING'S COMING STRAIGHT ZONING. YEAH. AND THIS IS THIS WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM LIKE OUR DEFINITION OF A RECREATIONAL FACILITY, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE A YMCA OR SOMETHING THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN JUST, LIKE FITNESS EQUIPMENT OR MORE THAN JUST A TENNIS COURT. IF IT HAS, LIKE A MIX OF ALL OF THOSE, WE'D PROBABLY GROUP THAT UNDER RECREATIONAL FACILITY. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? FIVE MINUTES IS UP.DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. THANK YOU. MAKE A SECOND ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
MR. WOLOWITZ. YES, MR. ENGEL? YES, MR. FISHER? YES. MR. MCKAY. YES, MR. STERLING. YES.
ARE WE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM, OR ARE WE ON TO. YES. WE'RE ON A
[DISCUSSION ITEMS]
DISCUSSION ITEM FOR MARYSVILLE NORTH. YES. SO. SOME OF THE FLATS COME THROUGH FOR MARYSVILLE NORTH. JUST GOING TO SHARE THE THE THE OVERALL PLAN ON THE SCREEN SO WE CAN TALK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT. BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING THEIR PLANS FOR THE SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND TOWNHOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL SPACE. AND IN DOING SO, WE'RE REALIZING THERE'S SOME DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE ZONING TEXT AND THE EXHIBITS. SO WE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST TO CONFIRM WHAT THAT THAT THEIR PROPOSED PLAN IS GOING TO MEET THE INTENT AND WHAT, WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION FELT WAS THE INTENT OF THE PLAN. JEFF, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN TO THAT LEFT HAND SIDE? SO EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON THE THAT YELLOW AREA IS, HAS COME THROUGH FOR THOSE PRELIMINARY PLANS. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSED IN THAT DARK ORANGISH. YEAH. HERE WE GO. SO THE PINK AND PURPLE TONES THERE IS WHAT[00:35:02]
THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK INTO. AND IN PARTICULAR IT'S GOING TO BE THERE'S SOME SOME QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATION THAT WE NEED ON THE TOWNHOMES. SO THOSE TOWNHOMES ARE IN THE DARKER PURPLE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL SPACES, BUILDINGS PULLED UP TO THE STREETSCAPE, INTERACTING WITH THOSE PEDESTRIANS IN THOSE PORCHES THAT WILL BE ON THOSE BUILDINGS. SO LIKE FOR VICTOR, WE JUST FOR KIND OF YOUR INFORMATION, BEFORE WE WENT THROUGH THIS, PB STAFF HAD WORKED WITH A CONSULTANT CITY COUNCIL AS WELL TO COME UP WITH AN AREA PLAN FOR THIS SPACE AND THAT IT CREATED THIS AS LIKE A WALKABLE AREA. ADJACENT TO THAT PART WAS KIND OF THE INTENT OF THAT AREA PLAN. AND THEN THIS PD FOLLOWED THAT AREA PLAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PREPARED BY THE CONSULTANT. SO THE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE WITH, I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE NOW. SO THE ZONING TEXT FOR THE SETBACKS ON THE TOWNHOME SPACE, 20FT FOR THAT BUILDING. THE EXHIBIT, THOUGH THE GRAPHIC EXHIBIT. THAT JEFF HAS HERE ON THAT FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE STATES 15FT FOR THE LIVING SPACE. FROM LIKE A DEFINITION PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT LIVING SPACE TO BE THE ACTUAL INTERIOR OF THE HOME AND THEN THE PORCH TO BE SET IN FRONT OF THAT. SO WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT 15 FOOT SETBACK LINE, ALLOWING THAT PORCH TO BE IN FRONT AGAIN TO CREATE THAT MORE URBAN, WALKABLE, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED FEEL IN THAT TOWNHOME SITUATION. ARE YOU GUYS THINK THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE PLAN? I THINK SO, YEAH. WHEN YOU SAID 20FT, I WAS THINKING THAT WAS FROM THE RIGHT AWAY OR LIKE FROM NOT INCLUDING THE SIDEWALK. YEAH. SO THAT IT WOULD BE FROM THE RIGHT AWAY. SO THIS EXHIBIT STATES 15. SO WE WERE GOING TO FOLLOW THE SPECIFIC EXHIBIT ON THAT. SO THIS IS THIS IS AN UPDATED EXHIBIT THAT THEY SHARED WITH US THAT DISPLAYS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THE 15 FOOT AT THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. AND THEN THAT DASHED AREA, THAT'S WHERE THE PORCH IS FOR HER UP TO FIVE FEET. OKAY. OFF OF THAT BUILDING PHASE, I WOULD THINK THAT MEETS THE INTENT. OKAY.ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? YOU'RE SAYING UP TO FIVE FEET OFF THAT BUILDING FACE. SO TEN FEET OR A LITTLE BIT MORE, DEPENDING WHERE THAT RIGHT OF WAY LINE IS. WHAT IF YOU WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE ON YOUR PORCH? SO THAT WOULD BE A FIVE FOOT DEEP PORCH, RIGHT? WHAT IF WE HAD A EIGHT FOOT DEEP PORCH? YOU WANTED MORE SPACE ON IT, FOR INSTANCE, IS WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR THAT. BUT IF THAT'S IF JUST BRINGING THAT UP. BUT DO WOULD WE WANT TO I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT. ONE OF THE PORCHES IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR PLANNING WILL BE WORKING THROUGH CREATING THAT USABLE FRONT PORCH AND REALLY ENCOURAGING THAT IN FIVE FEET WAS THE THRESHOLD THAT WE LANDED ON SIX, I THINK. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT THE MINIMUM SIX FOR THE PER THE PUD? THE MINIMUM OF FOUR FEET, IF THEY HAVE A PORCH HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF FOUR FEET, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SOME THAT ARE SIX FEET. THAT SIX WAS RINGING A BELL IN MY HEAD IN THE IN THE WORKING GROUP I THINK IT WAS SIX WAS THE MINIMUM. SO THE PUD TEXT ALLOWS FOR FOUR, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN GO LARGER THAN THAT. SURE. BUT TO YOUR POINT, CHAD, THAT I WOULD LIMIT IT. SO MAYBE IF IF YOU'D RATHER JUST USE KIND OF THAT ORIGINAL EXHIBIT THAT'S 15FT FOR THAT LIVING SPACE, FOR THAT KIND OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN THE PORCH WOULD JUST BE IN FRONT OF THAT. SO IT COULD GO ON THAT ENCROACHMENT WITH THAT ROUTE. I THINK THAT THAT I WOULD PREFER THAT FOR THE FUTURE, I WOULD THINK. JUST BECAUSE THIS EXHIBIT IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED DOWN THE ROAD. SO I WOULD I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALLOW FOR WIDER PORCHES IF THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO DO SO. BUT I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING 15FT TO THE TO THE LIVING AREA.
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YOU'RE KIND OF PUSHING EVERYTHING TOWARDS THE STREET. YEAH. IS THERE A DISTANCE THAT I MEAN, IS THERE A SPOT WHERE YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING CLOSER? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT A PORCH ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE SIDEWALK. NO, NO, A NO BUILD LINE. SO I MEAN, THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE RIGHT NOW WITH THAT FIVE FOOT ENCROACHMENT. YOU CAN'T GET CLOSER THAN THAT TEN FEET. BUT I MEAN, IS THERE A I MEAN, I THINK THAT COULD ALSO BE A DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN THAT APPLICATION COMES TO DRB AND DRB SAYS, WELL, WE DON'T WANT A PORCH THAT'S 15FT WIDE OR SOMETHING. LIKE THIS EXHIBIT. YOU GUYS DID GOOD. I COULD JUST SHARE. DON'T FORGET THAT YOU HAVE 5 OR 5 FOOT SIDEWALKS AND SEVEN FOOT TREE LINES HERE. SO YOUR 12 FOOT FROM THE ROOM BEFORE YOU HIT THE 15 OR BEFORE YOU HIT THE TEN AT THE PORCH, ENCROACHES ALL THE WAY OUT TO FIVE FOOT. SO SO YOU'RE YOU ARE 20, BUT IT'S FROM THE ROAD. NOT RIGHT AWAY. SO WE DID EXPAND TREE LINES LIKE YOU GUYS AND SOME OF THE WELL STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL WANTED. SO THERE'S 12 FOOT BEFORE YOU GET TO WHERE. SO DO YOU THINK YOU WANT TO REMOVE THAT DASHED AREA AND JUST LEAVE IT AS 15FT TO THE BASE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE PORCHES WITHIN THERE. SO IF THEY HAD ANY FOOT PORCH, IT COULD EXTEND UP TO BE UP TO DRB AT THAT POINT OR BE OKAY WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY. YEAH. WELL, TO BE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PORCHES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AT THIS POINT. THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT ARCHITECTURE, BUT IT WOULD BE AT LEAST A FOUR FOOT DEPTH. I DON'T WANT TO MUDDY THE WATER HERE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE SECOND LEVEL CANTILEVERED OUT OVER THE PORCH? NOW, YOUR LIVING SPACE I TECHNICALLY. COULD BE TEN FEET AS OPPOSED TO 15FT MINIMUM? YOU'RE TALKING.TALKING. YEAH. 1920S HOMES THAT EXTEND OUT THE CRAFTSMAN. YEAH. LIKE WHERE THIS IS KIND OF TUCKED UP UNDER THE SECOND LEVEL. WELL, THE PORCH THAT I THINK WOULD HAVE TO BE. AT THE 15 THAT VERY FRONT AND THEN THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE CHAIR. YEAH. I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE HOUSES BUILT IN AGES. YEAH. WELL EVERYTHING'S CYCLICAL RIGHT. BUT THE ENERGY CODE, I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU COULD MEET ENERGY CODE WITH THE CODE WOULD BE HARD. YOU HAD A COMMENT? YEAH. ON THE DIFFERENT SIZE PORCHES. IS THE INTENT FOR THIS THAT EVERY PORCH WOULD EXTEND? OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN HAVE A VARIANCE, BUT THE EXTENT LIKE OR THE INTENT THAT EVERYONE WOULD BE THE SAME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH ON. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK I THINK FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE WE WOULD LIKE SOME VARIATION IN THOSE. SURE. WHETHER IT'S ONES THIS SIZE. AND THEN MAYBE ANOTHER ONE DOES EXTEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE THE SAME. YEAH YEAH YEAH OKAY. AND THEY DID SHOW WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PUD THERE WERE SOME EXHIBITS THAT KIND OF SHOWED THE PORCH GOING ALL THE WAY ACROSS AS, AS SOME OF THEIR POTENTIAL IMAGES OF WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE MIGHT LOOK LIKE. YEAH. SO WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM TOO. SO THAT PORCH COULD GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THAT LIVING AREA, LIKE COMPLETELY IN FRONT OF THE THAT AREA TO BE MORE USABLE. NOW, THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A PORCH. SO THEY COULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH IS MORE LIKE A STOOP AREA. BUT ALL THE ONES THAT DO HAVE A PORCH HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF FOUR FEET. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. JUST WIDE. SO. YOU KNOW, AFTER THINKING ABOUT IT, ASHLEY, ALMOST THINK MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO LEAVE THE HATCH IN THERE FOR THE PORCH SHOWING IT. BUT YOU SHOULDN'T DEFINE THE THE DEPTH. OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. JUST SO THAT REFERENCE. YEAH. JUST SO THE RIGHT SPACE. OKAY. LIKE THAT.
OKAY. THE OTHER ONE WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS BUILDING SEPARATION. SO THEY'RE
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REQUIRING FOR THE PPD TEST 7.5FT SETBACK. SO THE WAY WE ARE INTERPRETING THAT IS IF YOU HAVE EVEN TWO SETS OF BUILDINGS SIMILAR TO THE MIDDLE SECTION OF RIGHT, THEIR CURSOR IS THOSE ARE GOING TO BE A TOTAL OF 15FT BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS. SO WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT SETBACK ON EITHER END OF THAT BUILDING. THAT'S HOW I WOULD HAVE THE BUILDING CODE WORKS. YEAH. AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, THE PUD CALLED OUT BUILDING CONFIGURATION FOR THE QUANTITY OF UNITS PER SET OF BUILDINGS AND CALLED IT OUT AS TWO, 4 OR 6 UNITS PER BUILDING. THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME THAT ARE FREE BUILDING. I THINK THAT STILL NEEDS THE INTENT OF ATTACHED TOWNHOMES, SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BUILDING INSTEAD OF A FOUR UNIT BUILDING OR SIX UNIT BUILDING, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2 AND 6 SOMEWHERE BETWEEN. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I THINK THAT WAS IT, RIGHT? WE HAD EVERYTHING OKAY. NO, WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. WE REDO THAT AND.YEAH. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IT. GOOD MORNING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. IT HELPS TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN, THIS PRODUCT BEFORE HE SHOWS IT IN THE PICTURE. WITH OUR BUILDER DIDN'T WORK THAT WAY. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS WILL BE UNIQUE BECAUSE THIS WILL BE THE FIRST PLACE THEY BUILD THESE. SO WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. SO I THINK IN HAVING THIS PRODUCT, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD IN A LONG TIME. SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS OR HOW DOES THIS WORK WITH THE ALLEYS AND SETBACKS. SO I THINK THIS WILL BE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT FOR US TO USE AS REFERENCE MOVING FORWARD. AS WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE, I CAN'T WAIT TO THROW IT. ALTERNATIVE TO THE TEXT ALLOWS HIM TO MAKE THESE ALL FRONT LOADED, AND IF THEY MAKE A FRONT LOADED THEN IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE ROAD BACK AND THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO INTERPRET ANY OF THIS. SO THESE INTERPRETATIONS HELP PUT A PRODUCT HERE THAT I THINK YOU GUYS, CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE. ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THAT'S IT FROM OUR END. AS FAR AS OUR DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THIS, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND GET THEM ON THE AGENDA AS SOON AS THEY'RE READY FOR DRB, AND THEN
[DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON REPORT]
YOU'LL SEE THEM FOR THAT PLAT PROCESS. OKAY. DOES THAT MOVE ON TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LIAISON? YES IT DOES. WE HAD NINE APPLICANTS FOR HOME IMPROVEMENT GRANTS LAST MONTH, AND ONE APPLICANT FOR MARYSVILLE EAST. ART AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON MEXICO EAST.WE TABLED TWO AND TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT. AND PAST LANDSCAPING, LANEWAY PARKING, WHATNOT. A LOT OF DISCUSSION REGARDING THE APPLEBEE'S, NOT THE APPLEBEE'S. WHAT IS IT? OLIVE GARDEN BUILDING. WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THEY CAME BACK WITH. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S ALL GOOD. THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH SOME REDESIGNS FOR LANDSCAPING. SO THAT WAS LAST MONTH. RIGHT? THAT'S IT.
[COMMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS]
COMMENTS OF INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS, VICTOR. VICTOR. RIGHT. HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU, MAN. LIKEWISE. I'M JUST GOING TO MY SENTIMENTS THE SAME. WELCOME BOARD AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. GREAT. DITTO. WELL HAPPY TO BE HERE. ALL RIGHT. WELL WELCOME. OFFICIALLY GLAD TO HAVE YOU. AND WITH THAT I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING OF PLANNING COMMISSION AT 720. MOTION, MOTION. EVERYONE SAY HI. I. OH, IS THERE A 2025 ZONING CODE? THERE'S THERE'S NOT. WE DECIDED NOT TO HAVE THAT. WE MIGHT WE MIGHT HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION WHEN WE GET A FULL BOARD MEMBER. SINCE WE HAD ONE MEMBER HAD TO RESIGN. AND THEN[00:50:04]
SINCE THIS IS VICTOR'S FIRST MEETING, WE'LL LET HIM GET ACQUAINTED, AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF GO OVER WHAT WE KIND OF AMENDED LAST YEAR AT THE END OF LAST YEAR AND GET EVERYBODY CAUGHT UP ON THAT. SOUNDS* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.