1. To hear an application for a Conditional Use application to permit senior housing located at 409 N Main Street in the Water and Light Planned Unit Development district.

[1. To hear an application for a Conditional Use application to permit senior housing located at 409 N Main Street in the Water and Light Planned Unit Development district. ]

APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION TO PERMIT SENIOR HOUSING. LOCATED AT 409 NORTH MAIN STREET AND THE WATER AND LIGHT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS THERE.

SPEAKER TWO HERE TO PRESENT. SO NAME ADDRESS. BOB LAMB 577 NORTHWEST BOULEVARD, SORRY, NATIONWIDE BOULEVARD, COLUMBUS 432154. I WAS READING THROUGH ONE OF OUR NORTHWEST BOULEVARD PROPERTIES WHEN WE CAME UP. SO BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE FOR SENIOR HOUSING AT THE SILO AND LIGHT FACILITY. SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT VARIOUS DIFFERENT USES ON THIS SITE. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

WE DID HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT APARTMENT BUILDINGS APPROVED ON THAT SITE. WE ARE LOOKING TO PROCEED WITH FOUR OF THEM AS PART OF WHAT WE HAVE DEEMED OUR PHASE ONE. AS PART OF THAT, PHASE ONE IS ALSO THE. SO IF YOU SEE THE ONES ON THE SOUTH SIDE, JUST SOUTH OF THE CREEK AREA, AND THEN THE TWO IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE CREEK CLOSEST TO THE OLD HISTORIC WATER TREATMENT PLANT ARE THE ONES INCLUDED IN THE FIRST PHASE, ALONG WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE HISTORIC WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE SILO. MOVING FORWARD, WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IN WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING A FULL PHASE TWO WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT YOU SEE CIRCLED IN GREEN ON THAT MAP. THAT IS THE BUILDING THAT WE ARE REQUESTING TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE A CONDITIONAL USE FOR SENIOR HOUSING. THIS WOULD BE 55 AND UP HOUSING, NOT 62 AND UP. SO NOT LOOKING AT THE HUD QUALIFICATION ON THAT. THE 55 AND UP IS THE STATE QUALIFICATION FOR THAT SENIOR HOUSING COMPONENT. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE'S APPROXIMATELY JUST OVER 200 APARTMENT UNITS IN THE PHASE ONE. SO THOSE FOUR BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE CLOSEST TO MILL CREEK, WE ARE SEEING THE BUILDING OF 54 UNITS UP CIRCLED IN GREEN AS A GOOD LOCATION IN ORDER TO DIVERSIFY THE HOUSING ON THE SITE. THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE 55 AND OLDER. THE MAJORITY OF THEM, IF NOT ALL, WILL STILL BE WORKING. SO THEY WILL BE ENGAGED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY FROM A JOB PERSPECTIVE. BUT THEY ARE ALSO THEN ABLE TO DIVERSIFY THE COMMUNITY. THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS

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TO THE WALKING TRAILS, THE AMENITIES LOCATED AT THE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY, WHICH WILL BE FITNESS FACILITY, SPA MOST LIKELY RESTAURANTS, AS WELL AS A CO-WORKING LOCATION, AND THEN ALSO THE OTHER RESTAURANT, BAR AND EVENT SPACE THAT WE'LL BE DOING OVER IN THE SILO AREA AS WELL. WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A NICE WAY TO ROUND OUT THE PROJECT. IT ALSO MEETS SEVERAL OF THE GOALS ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY IN THEIR DIFFERENT VARIOUS PLANNING AND STRATEGIC DOCUMENTS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS ONE QUESTION. JUST BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP PHASE ONE VERSUS PHASE TWO, THIS SEEMS LIKE DIFFERENT NOMENCLATURE THAN WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, BECAUSE FROM A DRB STANDPOINT, WE REVIEWED THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THAT WAS PHASE ONE. WE'RE REVIEWING THAT AS PHASE ONE A, AND THEN PHASE ONE B WOULD BE THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE WATER HISTORIC TREATMENT PLANT AND THE SILO FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET WOULD BE ONE B. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO AND THOSE ARE SCHEDULED TO GO TO DRB NEXT WEEK. OKAY. I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. I DIDN'T REVIEW THE DRB PACKAGE YET. SO YEAH, BUT I WILL. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S REALLY JUST A CLARIFICATION THAT YEAH, I MEAN, AT FIRST I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT THE SENIORS ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WALK FURTHER, BUT THEY ALSO PROBABLY WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, LESS TRAFFIC. SO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE SECLUDED PERHAPS BACK THERE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE SECLUDED. YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE RIGHT UP AGAINST IT THAN YOU DO ON SOME OF THE OTHERS. BUT ALSO, WE VIEWED IT AS A NICE COMPLEMENT TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF IT, SO THAT IT WOULD BE MOST LIKELY LESS NOISE GENERATED, LESS LATE NIGHT TRAVEL. NORMALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT POPULATION, ALSO, STATISTICALLY THEY JUST HAVE LESS DEMAND ON REGIONAL SERVICES. ALL RIGHT. AND THE PLAN IS A STILL A THREE FLOOR BUILDING OR IS IT IT MOST LIKELY THREE FLOOR. IT MAY WE MAY COME FORWARD WITH A REQUEST FOR FOUR. I DON'T EXPECT THAT.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKELY DO IS THREE FLOORS WITH AN ELEVATOR. YOU UNDERSTAND THIS DOESN'T AFFECT OUR DECISION RIGHT HERE. JUST ASKING. YEAH. AND WE'VE LOOKED AT TWO DIFFERENT LAYOUTS OF THAT. THE BENEFITS OF THE FOUR FLOORS, WE'RE ACTUALLY FOUR FLOORS IS WE'RE ABLE TO PUSH THAT A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH, EXPANDING THE DISTANCE BETWEEBETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. THAT DOES COME WITH SOME SET OFFS THOUGH. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, YOU STATED THAT THE 55 OR OLDER AND YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE STATE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUBSIDIZED? THIS IS LOOKING AT A LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT FOR THE PROJECT. WHAT THAT IS THOUGH, IS IT'S TO OFFSET THE AGE AND DO THAT AGE LIMITATION SIDE OF IT, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO AGE RESTRICT UNLESS WE WERE TO DO THAT WITHIN THE DEED STRUCTURE SEPARATELY. SO JUST TO REITERATE, THIS WOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR LOWER INCOME. IT WOULD BE IN THE 60 TO 80% RANGE. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE CITY ON REGARDING THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND TODAY WE'RE JUST GOING FOR THE P D TEXT CHANGE, RIGHT. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE P D TEXT. IT'S ALREADY IN. YEAH.

IT'S ALREADY IN THERE AS A CONDITIONAL USE. HE JUST HAS TO COME BACK FOR THAT APPLICATION.

NOW FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE. BUT THERE'S NOTHING TIED TO THAT PARCEL RIGHT. THE APPROVAL.

YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT. YOU'RE THINKING I THINK. NO I THINK I'M GOOD. I JUST HAVE ONE. SO I THINK THE 55 AND OVER IS KIND OF CRITICAL TO HOW IT'LL FIT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN ARE WE ABLE BECAUSE SENIOR HOUSING IS KIND OF A BROADER DEFINITION. ARE WE ABLE TO KIND OF NOT RESTRICT BUT KIND OF PIGEONHOLE THEM INTO THE 55 AND OVER BEING SO IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T BECOME, YOU KNOW, WE APPROVE SENIOR HOUSING, THEN IT BECOMES A, YOU KNOW, A NURSING HOME. YEAH. THE INTENT IS NOT THAT IT'S AN ASSISTED LIVING BECAUSE THERE'S NO AMENITIES FOR THAT ON SITE. AND THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE SET UP LIKE THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON SITE BESIDES AN ELEVATOR. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THE BUILDING, THE ROOMS REMAIN ALL EXACTLY THE SAME. THERE IS NO WE ARE NOT A CARE PROVIDER. SO WE ARE NOT SEEKING THAT TYPE OF A FACILITY. I BELIEVE IN OUR REQUEST AND I KNOW IN THE LETTER FROM THE CITY WE DID

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HIGHLIGHT 55 AND UP AND THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE MEDICAL CARE TYPE FACILITIES ON SITE. HAPPY TO AGREE TO THAT HERE AS WELL. GOT IT. YEAH. THANK YOU BOB. JUST JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER TO GO BACK TO OPENING UP TO ANY AGE GIVEN THAT VERSUS RESTRICT GOING TO THE ASSISTED LIVING TYPE, BECAUSE THAT BUILDING IS SET THE SAME AS YOUR OTHER MODELS THAT ARE OPEN TO 18 AND OLDER OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. YEAH. WE ARE NOT LOOKING NOR PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE BUILDING IN A WAY THAT IT WOULD BE A CARE FACILITY. THOSE HAVE THEIR OWN RULES, GUIDELINES, THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, AND WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT PATH. THESE WILL LOOK THE SAME FUNCTION, THE SAME AS THE OTHER APARTMENT UNITS ON THE SITE. GOT IT. NO. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OPEN UP CITIZEN COMMENTS. ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? I'LL HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN. I MEAN, YOU CAN COME UP TO ME IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ANYWAYS.

SO YES, IF YOU WILL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU DECLARE THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND FALSIFICATION SIGNAL BY SAYING, I WILL, I WILL. ALL RIGHT. SO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. YEAH. MY NAME IS JEFF HARRIMAN. I LIVE AT 221 ELWOOD AVENUE, MARYSVILLE, OHIO. I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP. IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS ACTUAL MAP. MY PARCEL IS RIGHT THERE. SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. I CAME UP HERE BECAUSE I KIND OF SEEN A QUICK PRINT OF THIS AND I'M I'M MYSELF. I MEAN THE 55 AND OVER. I'M I'M FINE WITH. BUT THERE IS A THERE IS NOISE ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. WE GOT KIDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS I'M SEEING THIS MAP TOO. THIS WALKWAY, THE WALKING PATH. LAST MEETING I WAS AT WAS WITH THAT GENTLEMAN ALSO AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE, EMERY AND THEM. AND WE HAD IT AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE WALKING PATH WAS GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WATERWAY. SO I'M CURIOUS TO THIS PRINT, IS IT ON WHICH SIDE IS THE WHAT'S ON BOTH SIDES NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BACK AND FORTH, BUT TRYING TO BE HELPFUL. ALSO, THERE WAS A BRIDGE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. OKAY, SO THE PATH COMES FROM THE SOUTHEAST, GOES UP ALONG THE RIVER, CROSSES THE BRIDGE, AND THEN FOLLOWS ALONG THE THE NORTH SIDE OF THE. OKAY, SO IT'S NOT GOING BEHIND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. CORRECT. OR I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT GOES.

THE PROPERTIES ON ELWOOD. YES, MA'AM. IT FOLLOWS THE CREEK. IT FOLLOWS CREEK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. NO, NO. ALONG ELWOOD. BUT BUT BEHIND THE PROPERTIES. NO, NO, NO. I'M SORRY. WITH THAT PATHWAY IS THERE ON YOUR SCREEN. YEAH. SO IT'S THIS IS THE PATH WHERE IT COMES OVER HERE TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S MY PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S WHY I'M WANTING TO KNOW HERE. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. DOES IT STOP THERE FOR NOW. AT THIS POINT IT WILL. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. I MEAN, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS DOING, I, I BELIEVE IS GOING ANYTHING'S GOING TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT WAS THERE. SO BUT I ALSO KNOW WITH THE 55 AND OVER THERE IS LIKE 14 KIDS THAT RUN AROUND THAT BACKYARD RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT THAT TO BE AWARE. BUT YEAH, THE WALKING PATH WAS A BIG CONCERN. THAT WAS WE'VE BEEN KIND OF FOLLOWING THIS. LIKE I SAID, WE WERE UP AT THE WATER COMPANY WHEN THIS WAS ALL BEING PROJECTED AND MARIE AND ALL THEM GUYS WERE UP THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD THAT THEY HAD A BRIDGE COMING FROM OVER BY FAIRBANKS. IT WAS GOING TO BE PUT IN, AND THE PEOPLE WITH THE DOG PARK ALREADY GAVE AGREEMENT, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY AFFECTED WAS OVER THERE. AND WITH ALL THE HOUSES DOWN THROUGH THERE AND KIDS AND THIS AND THAT, BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE THE RETAINING WALL THAT'S IN MY BACKYARD WITH THE CITY PUT IN BECAUSE OF THE WATER THING. AND I'M ALREADY HAVING PROBLEMS WITH, I'LL JUST SAY IT, A FEW VENEZUELANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ARE NOT FROM THIS AREA COME IN THE BACKYARD WANTING TO LIGHT A FIRE DOWN BY THE CREEK AND BRING IN THEIR BEER AND THEIR RADIOS AND WANTING TO FISH. AND WE GOTTA GO DOWN ALL THE TIME, SAY PRIVATE PROPERTY. THEY FOLLOW THE CREEK LINE AND SEE AN OPEN AREA AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, SO I'M REAL WORRIED ABOUT THAT BIKEE PATH. THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THE ONE REASON I CAME UP HERE, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY IT. THANK YOU SIR. SIR, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS JUST THAT. WE WILL BE PROVIDING LIGHTING ALL ALONG THAT PATHWAY AS WELL AS EXTERIOR CAMERAS. SO IF ANYTHING, SECURITY SHOULD BE ENHANCED WITHIN THAT AREA AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL

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RESIDENTS ABLE TO HEAR NOISES AND BE ABLE TO REPORT THAT. YOU MIGHT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO WILL BOB. WELL, BOB, IF YOU'D LIKE APPROVAL, CORRECT? YES. I DON'T ALWAYS ASK THAT.

THAT'S WHAT HE'S HERE FOR. MOTION TO APPROVE, SIR. ALL RIGHT. CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. FISHER? YES, MR. ENGEL. YES, MR. WOLOWITZ. YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES. MR. YES.

MR. HATTON. YES. MR. MUCHIRI. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

THAT'S A QUICK AS YOU GET OUT OF HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GO BACK TO AGENDA

[1. To hear an application for Zoning Code Amendments to Part Eleven – Appendix – Glossary of Terms. ]

ITEM NUMBER ONE UNDER OLD BUSINESS TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR ZONING CODE. AMENDMENTS TO PART 11. APPENDIX. GLOSSARY OF TERMS. FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING. WHAT SOME OF THE ITEMS. SO WE'LL START WITH SOME OF THE ONES THAT WERE TABLED AND THEN ROLL INTO THE NEW AMENDMENTS AS WELL. OKAY. SO AS YOU GUYS PROBABLY REMEMBER FROM THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON THIS DEFINITION CHANGE OR UPDATE. AND AFTER WE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW OR GO OVER SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS AND EVALUATE IT WITH OUR LAW DIRECTOR, COME TO THE DETERMINATION THAT WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES AT THIS TIME. WE'VE COME TO A MORE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS WILL BE INTERPRETED AND IT WILL FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, THE BACK LINE OF THE HOUSE, THE DARK GREEN SHADE TO THE TOP WILL BE THE REAR YARD, SO IT'LL FOLLOW THAT L SHAPE. SO THIS TIME WE DON'T NEED TO PROCEED WITH THE CHANGE. WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP IT AS IS. AND THEN THIS IS HOW IT WILL BE INTERPRETED. SO SO YOU SINCE YOU JUST GOT A LEGAL CLARIFICATION. YEAH. AND IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. YEAH. SO OUR INTERPRETATION IS NOW ALL, YOU KNOW, ON THE SAME PAGE. OKAY. SO THIS ONE I THINK WE TABLED EVEN BEFORE WE CAME TO THE MEETING LAST MONTH, AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION INTERNALLY WITH OUR LAW DIRECTOR. AND ULTIMATELY WE WANTED TO GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS DATA PROCESSING CALL CENTER DEFINITION, WHICH WAS MORE OF A CALL CENTER WHEN WE DID THE 2020 ZONING CODE UPDATE. SO WE'RE ASKING THAT WE REMOVE THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED UNDER THAT CURRENT DEFINITION, AND IT WILL JUST BE FOCUSED ON CALL CENTER. AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO EVALUATE WHAT'S THE BEST ROUTE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT DEFINITION, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET THROUGH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND ZONING CODE UPDATES AS WELL HERE OVER THE NEXT YEAR. SO IS IT DO WE NOT CURRENTLY HAVE JUST A DEFINITION FOR DATA CENTER? IS THAT THE ISSUE? THIS IS IT. AND THIS DEFINITION I THINK PREDATES THE KIND OF WHAT DATA CENTERS ARE. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, BUT CHANGING IT TO A CALL CENTER IS NOT A DATA CENTER. RIGHT. OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT OR ARE WE SAYING IT IS? SO IT'S JUST CLARIFYING LIKE THIS DEFINITION, WE THINK THE INTENT OF IT WAS MORE FOR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ANSWERING CALLS. RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. NOT WHAT WE HAVE TODAY WITH THAT DATA CENTERS WITH LIKE THE HYPERSCALE. MY QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION? NO, IT WAS THIS, THIS WAS IT. OKAY. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A DEFINITION. WE PROBABLY SHOULD COME UP WITH ONE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT AN APPROVED USE CURRENTLY. YEAH. SO THE, THE WAY THAT WOULD GO FORWARD NOW IS IF THERE WAS A DATA CENTER TO COME THROUGH, IT WOULD BE PART OF A P D UNTIL, UNTIL THAT DEFINITION GETS WORKED OUT AND WE LAND ON SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE WITH. YEAH. I MEAN, I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TYPICALLY PUDS USE OUR ZONING IN OUR DEFINITIONS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION. YEAH. AND MARYSVILLE, WE SHOULD WORK ON ONE. I'M NOT SAYING TONIGHT WE'RE DOING IT, BUT YEAH. AND THAT THAT IS ON THE TOP OF OUR LIST HERE AS WE GO THROUGH THAT COMP PLAN AND ZONING CODE. AND SO MARYSVILLE EAST AND THEN MARYSVILLE SOUTH HAD A SEPARATE DEFINITION WITHIN THOSE PEDS ASSOCIATED WITH DATA CENTERS THAT THE DEVELOPER WROTE. NOT TO SAY THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OR WRONG. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I WASN'T TRYING TO ALLUDE TO THAT, BUT OKAY, SO SO THEY DEFINED IT

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THEMSELVES. YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE WOULD JUST REFLECT THE CHANGE IN THE TERMINOLOGY WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS TO JUST STATE CALL CENTER AND IT WOULD STAY AS PERMITTED, WHICH IT CURRENTLY IS IN THOSE THREE DISTRICTS, LMU, RMU, OR EXCUSE ME, LMD, RMU AND MANUFACTURING INNOVATION. OKAY. FOR ANY OTHER CHANGES UNDER THIS, I THINK THAT IS IT FOR LAST MONTH'S. RIGHT. YEAH. FOR THE FOR THE FIRST AGENDA. YEAH. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY IS THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE DISTRICT USES. SORRY ABOUT THAT SUSAN TO SPEAK ON THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM. SO THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS THE DEFINITIONS.

SO ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM ASK THAT YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME ADDRESS. YOU HAVE UP TO FIVE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MICHAEL FUSSELMAN. ADDRESS IS 19792 PARROT BOULEVARD IN MARYSVILLE. AND THIS IS RELATED TO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF A DATA CENTER, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WORKING ON THAT IN THE FUTURE. BUT I STILL WANT TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT. SO LIKE JUST THIS AFTERNOON, I RECEIVED AND REVIEWED THE COPY OF THE PRESENTATION THAT LAST MONTH MR. BARRICK SHARED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH ABOUT DATA CENTERS. AND FIRST, I WANT TO SAY I'M NOT ARGUING THAT ALL DATA CENTERS SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME. I'M AWARE THAT BUSINESSES USE ON SITE, ON SITE DATA CENTERS TO SUPPORT THEIR OPERATIONS, AND ZONING RULES AND DEFINITIONS.

NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT IT WILL BE USED AS A GUIDE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON DATA CENTERS, WHEN IT DOESN'T FULLY EXPLAIN OR ADDRESS THE IMPACTS OF LARGE SCALE DATA CENTERS, SUCH AS THE AWS PROJECT IN MARYSVILLE, THESE HAVE AN IMPACT ON. I WANT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON WATER AND ELECTRICITY USAGE, THE STRAIN ON THE GRID, HOW WATER IS USED FOR COOLING WILL BE DISPOSED OF.

SOMETHING I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYTHING TALKED ABOUT WITH THAT AND THE OVERALL IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY. SO JUST A QUICK EXAMPLE FROM THE PRESENTATION. SLIDE THREE LISTS NUMEROUS REASONS FOR NEEDING DATA CENTERS, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS WITHOUT THE NEED FOR MASS QUANTITIES OF LARGE SCALE DATA CENTERS WE'RE SEEING NOW THAT WILL BE USED TO SUPPORT AI. SO THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT ARE SHOWN IN THE PRESENTATION. THERE ARE OTHER PIECES OF INFORMATION IN THE PRESENTATION I DISAGREE WITH, BUT THE POINT OF MY ATTENDANCE HERE TONIGHT IS TO ASK THAT YOU PAUSE ANY FURTHER RULINGS, SPECIFICALLY ON DATA CENTERS, TO ALLOW MYSELF AND OTHER CITIZENS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SIMILAR PROJECTS AND RESEARCH THE IMPACTS OF LARGE SCALE DATA CENTERS.

THAT'S MY REQUEST TONIGHT. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK YOU GUYS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN MR. BARRETT, WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS, MR. BARRETT SAID, HEY, WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION THAT THE COUNTY, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON PUTTING TOGETHER. SO THAT WAS JUST A PACKET THAT MR. BARRETT SHARED.

IT'S NO REFERENCE TO WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN PREPARING. SO THAT WAS JUST A HEY, HERE'S A COUPLE DEFINITIONS. SO I HEAR HIM ASK TWO QUESTIONS. ONE WAS ABOUT ENERGY USAGE AND WATER THAT IS USED FOR COOLING, AND WE COULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ON THE ONE THAT'S BEING BUILT IN MARYSVILLE. YEAH. SO ALL OF THE WATER SPECIFICALLY GETS LOOKED AT BY OUR PUBLIC SERVICE DIRECTOR AND DETERMINED WHAT THAT USAGE IS. AND THEY'RE GIVEN STRICT AMOUNTS ON WHAT THEY'RE PERMITTED TO DO RELATED TO THAT WATER USAGE. AND THEN THEY EITHER WORK WITH URI OR ON THEIR ELECTRIC AS WELL. SO THE WATER IS EVAPORATED OFF FOR COOLING PURPOSES. THERE IS MY UNDERSTANDING NO WASTEWATER, NO WASTEWATER. OKAY. IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE AWS HAS TOWERS THAT THEY WILL USE FOR STORAGE OF WATER TOO. YEAH, YEAH. IS THAT GOING TO BE AS FAR AS COOLING? IT GETS EVAPORATED THROUGH COOLING TOWERS. SO IS THAT GOING TO BE LIKE A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM? I KNOW A LOT OF THE TALKING LIKE DATA CENTERS IN OHIO. TALK ABOUT THAT AS A WAY TO MITIGATE A LOT OF THE WATER ISSUES. I'M NOT SURE SPECIFICALLY ON AWS.

BUT CERTAINLY EVERYONE'S MIND. SO YES. SO APPRECIATE YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO AS FAR AS THE OLD BUSINESS AGENDA ITEM WITH DEFINITIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO OR I GUESS WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I PUT CITIZEN COMMENTS FIRST. I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT US COMMENTING. SO.

ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT THEN DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION SIR CAN WE HAVE A ROLL

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CALL PLEASE? MR. WOLLOWITZ? YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES. MR. STILLMAN. YES. MR. HATTON. YES.

MR. CHERRY. YES. MR. FISHER. YES. MR. ENGEL. YES. MR. NICKERSON, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SINCE WE REMOVED THE PROPOSED REAR YARD DEFINITION, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IN THE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM, IT'S JUST FOR THE THE DEFINITION, THE DATA CENTER, DATA CENTER. AND WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REAR YARD DEFINITION. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR FOR THE. YES. I MEAN, DO WE DO I NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, I GUESS, OR ARE YOU JUST CLARIFYING FOR FOR, FOR CLARIFYING FOR THE DEFINITION.

[2. To hear an application for Zoning Code Amendments to Part Eleven – Chapter 1121 Districts and Overlays, addressing permitted and conditional uses.]

THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. SO OLD BUSINESS AGENDA ITEM TWO. I DIDN'T TURN OFF MY ALARM. AND THIS WOULD JUST BE THE DISTRICT USES. SO WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE THE WORDING FROM DATA PROCESSING SLASH CALL CENTER. SINCE WE CHANGED THAT DEFINITION TO JUST CALL CENTER.

SO WE'VE UPDATED IT AND THE THREE DISTRICTS THAT CURRENTLY IS PERMITTED. OKAY, SO WE'RE JUST UPDATING THAT AND THEN WE'VE PUT IT IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER. SO THE CALL CENTER MOVED UP, BUT SO, SO, AND THIS WILL GET LUMPED INTO THE ONES THAT WERE APPROVED LAST MONTH TO BE ONE ITEM AT COUNCIL. SO BUT WE'LL HAVE TWO ORDINANCES FOR THAT OR TWO RESOLUTIONS FOR THAT. BUT IT'LL BE ONE ORDINANCE JUST TO UPDATE THEM ALL ONCE. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, CITIZEN COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TO APPROVE MOTION? CHAD. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. FISHER. YES. MR. MUCHIRI. YES. MR. HATTON YES. MR. STILLMAN. YES. MR. NICKERSON. YES. MR. WOLNIEWICZ. YES. MR. ENGEL. YES. SO NOW WE MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

[2. To hear an application for Zoning Code Amendments to Part Eleven – Chapter 1139 Alternative Energy addressing electric vehicle charging and Appendix – Glossary of Terms. ]

TWO OF NEW BUSINESS. IT'S TO HEAR AN APPLICATION FOR ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS TO PART 11, CHAPTER 1139. ALTERNATE ENERGY ADDRESSING ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND APPENDIX. GLOSSARY OF TERMS. I'LL LET BRANDON DO MOST OF THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THIS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE WORKED WITH. THE DIVISION OF FIRE ON GIVES US A WAY TO EVALUATE AND. SET CERTAIN STANDARDS FOR WHERE THE DISCONNECTS ARE FOR EV CHARGING STATIONS WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENTS COME IN. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE PLANS, DETERMINE IF WHERE THOSE DISCONNECTS ARE, MEET, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. THANKS FOR THANKS FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.

BUT YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR IS A PROACTIVE APPROACH TO THE EV CHARGING SYSTEMS, AS WELL AS THE CARS AND THE FIRE INDUSTRY ITSELF. WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY FAR BEHIND ON CODE LANGUAGE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED EVERY THREE YEARS. THE LAST ONE TOOK EIGHT.

SO A LOT A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENS AT THAT TIME. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE PROACTIVE APPROACH ON THIS IS SIMPLY FIND THE POWER SOURCE, RIGHT? SO IF WE GO TO A STRUCTURE FIRE, WE'RE SHUTTING OFF THE GAS, WE'RE SHUTTING OFF THE ELECTRIC TO MAKE IT SAFER ENVIRONMENT.

THESE EV CARS AND CHARGING STATIONS WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT. SO WE SHOW UP ON SCENE, WE WOULD HAVE A REMOTE DISCONNECT THAT WE COULD KNOCK THE POWER OUT, AND WE CAN PROVIDE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS AS WELL AS EVERYBODY AROUND THE VEHICLES SAW THE OTHER OBSTRUCTIONS AND CARS BESIDE IT, BUILDINGS BESIDE IT. WE CAN MAKE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR A FIRE ATTACK. THIS IS SOMETHING A LOT OF TOWNSHIPS AND STUFF ARE STARTING TO DO. THESE TYPE OF REGULATIONS, BECAUSE THE CODE IS SO FAR BEHIND ON THESE. SO I TAKEN A FEW OF THEIR IDEAS AND WE KIND OF MADE OUR OWN UP JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A GOOD ATTACK AND KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE ON THESE. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, THERE'S AREAS WHERE THE SHUT OFF, THE DISCONNECTS ARE RIGHT ON THE POLE, RIGHT BY THE CHARGING STATION. NOT A GOOD IDEA, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE CAR'S ON FIRE. WE CAN'T GET TO IT. SOMETIMES THEY'RE SHOVING THEM IN THE SIDEWALKS ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN'T GET TO IT. AND THEN OTHER TIMES WE'VE SEEN THEY ARE PUTTING IN LIKE INSIDE THE BUILDING IN A FUZE PANEL. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT FUZE THAT IS, RIGHT. SO WE GOT TO KILL THE ENTIRE BUILDING. WE CAN'T JUST ISOLATE IT. SO THIS IS A WAY TOO THAT CHARGING STATION, KNOCK THE FIRE OUT AND HAVE A GOOD, SAFE ENVIRONMENT. SOME OF THE STUFF WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT IS HAVING SIGNAGE, SEPARATION DISTANCES. WE SEE A LOT OF

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THESE AT GAS STATIONS, AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE AT LEAST 1 OR 2 OF THESE ON A LOT OF BUILDING PLANS. WE'RE GETTING. SO LIKE GAS STATIONS SHOULD BE 40FT AWAY FROM THE THE GAS DISPENSER, 30FT FROM THE FILL CONNECTIONS, 25FT FROM THE VENT PIPING, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD. EVEN MOST GAS STATIONS YOU WILL SEE IF YOU EVER PAID ATTENTION. THEY HAVE EMERGENCY GAS SHUTOFFS TOO, WHERE YOU HIT AND THEY'RE WITHIN 75FT OF THAT BUILDING.

SOME OF OUR OTHER CONCERNS IS WHEN THEY DO HIT THAT MANUAL DISCONNECT SWITCH, NO ONE CAN JUST GO BACK UP TO IT AND TURN IT BACK ON WHILE WE'RE IN OPERATION. SO IT'S GOT TO BE MANUALLY RESET, WHICH IS PART OF LIKE THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT STUFF'S ALREADY KIND OF PRE-BUILT IN THERE. THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE SIGNAGE. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MOST FIREMEN ARE PRETTY GOOD READERS. NOT TOO BAD. BUT WE PROVIDE A SIGN JUST SAYS, HEY, THIS IS THE EV CHARGING DISCONNECT, RIGHT? SO IT'S CLEARLY LABELED ONCE AGAIN, JUST LIKE GAS PUMPS, YOU'LL GO TO SAY EMERGENCY GAS SHUT OFF. THESE WILL SAY EMERGENCY EV SHUT OFFS. SO THEY PULL A LEVER. NOW WE KNOW WE GOT A SAFER ENVIRONMENT TO DO OUR JOB. YEAH, A LOT OF THESE STEPS WE'LL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND. I WOULD BE PERSONALLY OR ONE OF MY INSPECTORS JUST ENSURING DISTANCES, SIGNAGE, THE TYPE OF DISCONNECT SWITCH AND THEN DOING LIKE AN ACCEPTANCE TEST, SEEING THAT IT TRULY DID WORK, IT HIT THE DISCONNECT POWER SHUT OFF TO ALL THE BANKS. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME OF THESE ITEMS IN RED, SOME OF THESE LETTERS AND STRIKETHROUGHS IN RED. THOSE ARE JUST CHANGES THAT WE'VE PROPOSED. SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE RECEIVED THAT PACKET. SO WE'LL JUST WANT TO WHEN, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, INCORPORATE THOSE CONDITIONS WITH THE, THE THE RED LINES IN THERE. SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I WAS JUST LOOKING. DOES ANY OF YOUR LANGUAGE CONTRADICT OR HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THEIR GUIDANCE ON CHARGING STATIONS? HAVE YOU GUYS REVIEWED THAT WHILE YOU WERE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER? I GOT TO REVIEW A LITTLE BIT OF IT.